Great video, thanks! As a judoka this is such a great takedown to use on my fellow BJJ newbies, as it's not as brutal as a seoi nage or big hip throw they aren't used to break falling on, and you nearly always land in full control of your opponent and pass the guard.
The irony is that even though this is most definitely a judo throw, I actually learned it at a catch wrestling seminar where I also learned the flying mare
@@mastermindmartialarts my philosophy is more so looking at grappling as a whole theres so much cross over that personally i don't get hung up on individual style just proper technique and if it works for my and my body type etc lol
Thank you for this! I'm old, slow, tall and have creaky knees, so a lot of hip tosses are just disasters when I try them. Starting to really enjoy lateral drops from the overhook, so having another overhook attack hurts my feelings not one bit! Thanks again!
Just a nitpick, but it means "arm reversal" or "arm counter". Gaeshi moves are all reversals or counters. Ude moves involve the arm. You have a neat way of doing this. Very different from the usual way, which is underneath (no overhook) and normally has gi and no-gi versions. Having one version both is really nice, plus your version works from the other side and doesn't rely on a flimsy grip (which I hate to rely on during a sacrifice technique).
It is a nitpick. Lmao. I like techniques that can be done with or without a gi because I train in both. And with my bad shoulders, traditional gi grips are tough for me. So I tend to do many of my throws with an overhook. And it translates to either one perfectly. At least for me.
wow, never seen this before. We do this, but like you said its from the front completely giving your back! I also like your Gi/no-Gi mentality for sure! I worried about Gi to get belted but after that, its not practical at all and for me waste time developing instincts and tendencies for things that wont work if the time comes. try any collar/sleeve chokes and their shirt will rip and give before they choke! your only chance is in the winter with a coat lol. I'm going to share this next class during take downs. can I ask since I have never experienced any teacher but the one I have-how do you structure your classes?
This is not ude-gaeshi. It's just a varition of woko-wakare. Ude-gaeshi involve lock the oponet sholder, similar like a kimura, it's half throw, half arm bar.
I believe its illegal in judo when you do it off the lapel sleeve grip because of the head spike rule Doing it off the overhook like you are cuts the angle harder so you may get away with it, but I've been called for doing it off the lapel
I need to find out but not exactly sure. Saw a match from 2019 where a guy threw another for ippon with this and no penalty. It was an international tournament too. But not too sure of it now. I hope it's still legal, it's an excellent throw. Some have told me it is, some have said no.
@@mastermindmartialarts yeah, I think I learned it in Kindai Ryu JJ and/or Hapkido, and I’ve definitely used it spontaneously in BJJ probably not realizing it…I’m going to focus on this one more - thanks 🙏 for the details…
No, I’m usually able to do this quick enough to where they don’t post. If they do post, you can always feed the posting arm to your overhook/whizzer arm. Usually people that post are trying to run from the takedown as well and that is always frustrating
This is definitely not an uchi makikomi. Both involve wrapping the arm of the opponent, but this is a sacrifice throw, uchi makikomi is a throw that throws opponent forward.
@@emperorjimmu9941 I agree, the movement is very similar to Yoko Wakare. I just mentioned in the video that I don't like Seoi nage and that this is the one technique involving wrapping an arm that I try personally.
@@mastermindmartialarts yes, but this is the wrapping motion of uchi makikomi, not ude gaeshi. ua-cam.com/video/5BowcjduxVc/v-deo.htmlsi=o2sHy7sX6aIGxib5 ua-cam.com/video/JUEy8DiQEqs/v-deo.htmlsi=-5JN1B5ruQygNzZ9 To be even more strict, the kodokan doesn't classify ude gaeshi as a throw in the same sense as other techniques; Daigo explains the difference between ude gaeshi and yoko wakare in that ude gaeshi is classified as an armlock, using pain compliance. Although, I'm personally alright with people giving the name ude gaeshi to the specific gripping variation of yoko wakare, but as of yet this video is the only time I've ever seen this throw be called ude gaeshi, and I don't think that it's accurate, personally. Even from the thumbnail it seems to clearly be uchi makikomi Ultimately it doesn't really matter, it's all pedantry, but I just feel you've misnamed the throw. I've seen similar mistakes techniques, like hikkomi gaeshi is often misattributed as obi tori gaeshi, for instance, so I'm curious as to how you came to learn this throw as ude gaeshi when all the literature and video footage shows it to be a visibly different technique. You said that this isn't makikomi because "this is a sacrifice throw", which makes it sound like you don't consider makikomi to be a sacrifice throw? Which seems a very odd thing to believe, but if you're still convinced that's the case, I would love to know your thoughts
@@emperorjimmu9941 in that video , the body goes the opposite way that I fall when I do it. I learned judo from a lot of people , some who have trained in Japan and some who haven’t. I’m open to everything. I learned this as Ude gaeshi, so that’s what I’ve always called it. There are many throws that the kodokan dormant recognize, and that is unfortunate. Most of the maki Komi variations I learned , weren’t that one in the clip. But I still do this throw a little differently. The particulars of judo are so frustrating sometimes. Lol.
Judo can be really useful in BJJ, but giving up your back (unless you execute the throw perfectly) usually isn´t the way against an opponent of similar strength and skill
There is an inherent risk in attempting any takedown. If it doesn’t work, you can always end up in a negative position. This throw is excellent especially if you have an opponent driving you forward pushing into you. There is always a chance that you can out yourself in a bad position if a takedown fails. It’s not limited to this throw.
@@mastermindmartialarts can you link to a video where this was successfully performed in a competition between opponents of similar skill? There is always risk, but this throw seems to maximize it. I might be wrong though
@@MrSphynixdc there is always risk with any takedown if it is not performed properly and quickly enough. But watch this video: you’ll see it used in international level judo tournaments and many bjj tournaments. ua-cam.com/video/JZmjuTtZ3pY/v-deo.htmlsi=aq93oz0DddBDSZ-g
This inherent risk applies to all techniques. Would anyone suggest a novice avoid attempting a choke, sweep, triangle, or armbar because their poor execution would expose vulnerability? Obviously, the constructive strategy is coaching and practice, not retreat to stalemate and dismissal of the techniques. I have heard this take-your-back excuse from so many BJJ players, but it is always from someone that has never been thrown with proficiency and force. It reveals fear to practice throwing and being thrown.
@@travisidealpositions4363 I’m glad someone sees it my way. Everything causes risk. Everything. Throwing a punch leaves one opened to getting hit with one. I only had issues with bad things happening with judo takedowns when I was new or set it up way too slowly. With experience and practice, that won’t happen over time. I appreciate the support
Great video, thanks! As a judoka this is such a great takedown to use on my fellow BJJ newbies, as it's not as brutal as a seoi nage or big hip throw they aren't used to break falling on, and you nearly always land in full control of your opponent and pass the guard.
It is a great takedown, I think it’s underused in judo. You see it, but not as much as you should
Very similar to a flying mare I use this technique often during stand up rounds too being that I'm also super tall
The irony is that even though this is most definitely a judo throw, I actually learned it at a catch wrestling seminar where I also learned the flying mare
@@mastermindmartialarts yes I find the techniques super similar and theirs a bit of middle ground between both entries great video btw
@@jenpachi2408 I appreciate that. When it comes to Judo takedowns, some people are so particular. Just read some of the other comments here. Lol.
@@mastermindmartialarts my philosophy is more so looking at grappling as a whole theres so much cross over that personally i don't get hung up on individual style just proper technique and if it works for my and my body type etc lol
@@jenpachi2408 I lookat it the same way but too many people try to claim styles.
Thank you for this! I'm old, slow, tall and have creaky knees, so a lot of hip tosses are just disasters when I try them. Starting to really enjoy lateral drops from the overhook, so having another overhook attack hurts my feelings not one bit! Thanks again!
You’re welcome. Let me know how it works for you. I’ve been using it a lot more lately.
This is a lovely throw. Soto Makikomi is similar but best saved for competition and ukes you don't like!
Hahahaha. This one is a bit safer
Indeed, it is an Uchi-Makikomi
@@sebastianba7905no, it's variation of yoko-wakare.
Good throw shown perfectly Sensei; you could catch me with this!
That would be amazing but highly unlikely. This is still legal right ? I am getting different reports.
Locking nice!
@@JohnDoe-voodoo thank you
Just a nitpick, but it means "arm reversal" or "arm counter". Gaeshi moves are all reversals or counters. Ude moves involve the arm. You have a neat way of doing this. Very different from the usual way, which is underneath (no overhook) and normally has gi and no-gi versions. Having one version both is really nice, plus your version works from the other side and doesn't rely on a flimsy grip (which I hate to rely on during a sacrifice technique).
It is a nitpick. Lmao. I like techniques that can be done with or without a gi because I train in both. And with my bad shoulders, traditional gi grips are tough for me. So I tend to do many of my throws with an overhook. And it translates to either one perfectly. At least for me.
Love the video, good moves
Thank you very much
wow, never seen this before. We do this, but like you said its from the front completely giving your back! I also like your Gi/no-Gi mentality for sure! I worried about Gi to get belted but after that, its not practical at all and for me waste time developing instincts and tendencies for things that wont work if the time comes. try any collar/sleeve chokes and their shirt will rip and give before they choke! your only chance is in the winter with a coat lol. I'm going to share this next class during take downs. can I ask since I have never experienced any teacher but the one I have-how do you structure your classes?
Ground techniques first to get the body warm, then takedowns. After that , sparring both standing and on the ground.
This is not ude-gaeshi. It's just a varition of woko-wakare. Ude-gaeshi involve lock the oponet sholder, similar like a kimura, it's half throw, half arm bar.
I believe its illegal in judo when you do it off the lapel sleeve grip because of the head spike rule
Doing it off the overhook like you are cuts the angle harder so you may get away with it, but I've been called for doing it off the lapel
I need to find out but not exactly sure. Saw a match from 2019 where a guy threw another for ippon with this and no penalty. It was an international tournament too. But not too sure of it now. I hope it's still legal, it's an excellent throw. Some have told me it is, some have said no.
Great 👍🏼 stuff…
Glad you like it. It’s a great technique
@@mastermindmartialarts yeah, I think I learned it in Kindai Ryu JJ and/or Hapkido, and I’ve definitely used it spontaneously in BJJ probably not realizing it…I’m going to focus on this one more - thanks 🙏 for the details…
@@FR-ty5vn you’re welcome. It’s a great technique
you ever have issues with people posting with their free arm?
No, I’m usually able to do this quick enough to where they don’t post. If they do post, you can always feed the posting arm to your overhook/whizzer arm. Usually people that post are trying to run from the takedown as well and that is always frustrating
ESSA TECNICA E CHAMADA DE YUKO-WAKARE .
Yoko Wakare is a different technique. Similar to this, but different.
That's not an Ude-gaeshi: it's an Uchi-makikomi: Both are nice throws, but for different grips or situations
This is definitely not an uchi makikomi. Both involve wrapping the arm of the opponent, but this is a sacrifice throw, uchi makikomi is a throw that throws opponent forward.
@@mastermindmartialartsuchi makikomi is a sutemi waza as well, as is ude gaeshi.
Ude gaeshi resembles more yoko wakare than seoi nage
@@emperorjimmu9941 I agree, the movement is very similar to Yoko Wakare. I just mentioned in the video that I don't like Seoi nage and that this is the one technique involving wrapping an arm that I try personally.
@@mastermindmartialarts yes, but this is the wrapping motion of uchi makikomi, not ude gaeshi.
ua-cam.com/video/5BowcjduxVc/v-deo.htmlsi=o2sHy7sX6aIGxib5
ua-cam.com/video/JUEy8DiQEqs/v-deo.htmlsi=-5JN1B5ruQygNzZ9
To be even more strict, the kodokan doesn't classify ude gaeshi as a throw in the same sense as other techniques; Daigo explains the difference between ude gaeshi and yoko wakare in that ude gaeshi is classified as an armlock, using pain compliance.
Although, I'm personally alright with people giving the name ude gaeshi to the specific gripping variation of yoko wakare, but as of yet this video is the only time I've ever seen this throw be called ude gaeshi, and I don't think that it's accurate, personally. Even from the thumbnail it seems to clearly be uchi makikomi
Ultimately it doesn't really matter, it's all pedantry, but I just feel you've misnamed the throw. I've seen similar mistakes techniques, like hikkomi gaeshi is often misattributed as obi tori gaeshi, for instance, so I'm curious as to how you came to learn this throw as ude gaeshi when all the literature and video footage shows it to be a visibly different technique.
You said that this isn't makikomi because "this is a sacrifice throw", which makes it sound like you don't consider makikomi to be a sacrifice throw? Which seems a very odd thing to believe, but if you're still convinced that's the case, I would love to know your thoughts
@@emperorjimmu9941 in that video , the body goes the opposite way that I fall when I do it. I learned judo from a lot of people , some who have trained in Japan and some who haven’t. I’m open to everything. I learned this as Ude gaeshi, so that’s what I’ve always called it. There are many throws that the kodokan dormant recognize, and that is unfortunate. Most of the maki Komi variations I learned , weren’t that one in the clip. But I still do this throw a little differently. The particulars of judo are so frustrating sometimes. Lol.
Judo can be really useful in BJJ, but giving up your back (unless you execute the throw perfectly) usually isn´t the way against an opponent of similar strength and skill
There is an inherent risk in attempting any takedown. If it doesn’t work, you can always end up in a negative position. This throw is excellent especially if you have an opponent driving you forward pushing into you. There is always a chance that you can out yourself in a bad position if a takedown fails. It’s not limited to this throw.
@@mastermindmartialarts can you link to a video where this was successfully performed in a competition between opponents of similar skill?
There is always risk, but this throw seems to maximize it. I might be wrong though
@@MrSphynixdc there is always risk with any takedown if it is not performed properly and quickly enough. But watch this video: you’ll see it used in international level judo tournaments and many bjj tournaments. ua-cam.com/video/JZmjuTtZ3pY/v-deo.htmlsi=aq93oz0DddBDSZ-g
This inherent risk applies to all techniques. Would anyone suggest a novice avoid attempting a choke, sweep, triangle, or armbar because their poor execution would expose vulnerability? Obviously, the constructive strategy is coaching and practice, not retreat to stalemate and dismissal of the techniques. I have heard this take-your-back excuse from so many BJJ players, but it is always from someone that has never been thrown with proficiency and force. It reveals fear to practice throwing and being thrown.
@@travisidealpositions4363 I’m glad someone sees it my way. Everything causes risk. Everything. Throwing a punch leaves one opened to getting hit with one. I only had issues with bad things happening with judo takedowns when I was new or set it up way too slowly. With experience and practice, that won’t happen over time. I appreciate the support