Maybe it's an antitrust thing? I think they're just inconsistent. For example, right here on UA-cam I've seen ads for Search and Google Fi, but never for Gmail, Docs, or Drive. Also just a shower thought: Google can't pay themselves to advertise. 😛
They probably didn't need more marketing, so didn't use it. To be fair, I think most early adapting gamers new the service and probably tried it already. They still had to compete against services like Game Pass, which honestly is a great service (not perfect).
I think that developing and launching such services is relatively cheap compared to long-term support. Therefore, if the service does not bring profit immediately, it is easier to close it.
@@kote315 Yeah but they don't even try, if Google had wanted, it could have had tremendous help from the gaming industry to get a good business model etc. They just didn't.
@@Dakta96 I kinda like they didn't. Cloud gaming is a bad idea by definition. Firstly, even in the local network, the delays are quite large and the image quality is much worse than when the game is launched natively. Over the Internet, especially in regions where there are not enough fast communication channels and servers, the situation is much worse. It just doesn't work properly and will never work. Second, we shouldn't make games that can't work locally. The power of modern mid-range graphics cards is more than enough to make good games.
Simple, it's a test, if it doesn't work, give up and go to another one. That's how things work. It's bad when something we like gets cancelled, but sometimes that's just how things should be. This goes even for our daily projects, what's the point of sticking to one if it doesn't go ahead?
It really is that simple. When you can’t trust the longevity of a service, which you can’t when google kills them so off handedly you have to plan for it going away. Never mind the privacy issues and what not
The one I actually miss is Google Music. It was not only a decent streaming service, but also a really good music player for offline music, way better than most smartphone music player apps. It was also a good alternative to Spotify, as it supported both streaming and actually buying music in a manner similar to Bandcamp, and often with better audio quality (so it was good for the artists as well as consumers). Google killed it in favor of UA-cam Music, which is basically a stripped down version of normal UA-cam, with all of its problems.
Same, it never made any sense that they'd kill it in favor of YT music. it was already perfect. Well, close enough anyway. Suppose, they just couldn't stand that they didn't have a good way to inject adverts into your offline playlists. Glad they at least let us export our libraries though. Wonder how long until their Google Play Books store gets pulled, in favor of a UA-cam Books app. Hopefully we'll get to export those as well if it does happen.
Linking an offline (local) music player with a music marketplace already feels weird to me. Poweramp (paid) is said to be the best music player for Android; I bought it and have no regrets. jetAudio seems nice too; it's also available on iOS and I mainly use it there.
I would have used Stadia if I had confidence google wasn't going to kill it off. It was a great service, I was just worried that I would spend money on it and that would go down the drain once google inevitably axed it.
Somewhat paradoxically, if they had announced up front that they would refund all purchases when they killed it, maybe it would have gotten enough users that they wouldn't have needed to kill it 😅
We need free and open source alternatives to every Google service including some of the dead ones (Edit): nice now with attention I can request some help making a Gaming console DE for Linux something light fast and perfect
Call me paranoid, but I think either Google mocks their users some reason or it's their AI is learning to make marketing decisions for them 🤔😁. Thanks for the video, Nick 😉👍!
Google engineers come up with projects to solve issues or invent features. They are more interested in creating something and providing a service than making money. Then the suits at the top see that a given project is not making money and instead of thinking of ways to make money off it they kill it.
I hated what happened to Google+. I never felt like I was the audience of the Facebook 'closed system'. Before social media, mailing lists "were" the social media (and IRC). Flame wars and too much email kinda killed most of that for me (aka: unsubscribe). Facebook is just falling into the same 'rut' and Facebook curates your contacts for itself and not for the average user. Google+ was a great alternative as it 'bridged the gap' and extended your existing contacts (I'd 'merge' Google+ contacts with email contacts easily). Way back, I used to 'time box' my time on these mailing lists (as it would 'suck you in' for hours). On Facebook, I do the same thing _but_ I find that you get a whole lot less for a limited time investment than I used to with mailing lists (aka: less efficient). Stuff like that means I get diminishing returns using Facebook so I just try to stay off and go other ways.
Google getting rid of services is one of the key reasons I host most of the services I use myself. Nextcloud, Onlyoffice, website, everything except email.
They should have been more patient with Google Plus. I always said FB would fall down sooner or later, and people would be looking for something other than Tik Tok, etc. Also, their efforts to turn YT into a 'social media site' suck. It's really only good for consuming some kinds of content.
I feel like Stadia didn't just add to the problem, it was also a victim of the same problem. I've seen a lot of people who've said "yeah, seems like an interesting idea, but I don't want to buy full-priced games on a platform that Google's gonna kill within a couple of years".
Ahh, Reader. Truly one of the best products they axed and the main reason I started to mess with Docker to set up TinyTinyRSS or freshRSS now. Also don't forget Google Talk which was a really solid and stable Jabber/XMPP server baked into their web design so it was super simple to use. Such great tools that just show how bad Google had become over the years doing new interesting stuff.
Way back in the early days of home computing, Xerox was one of the biggest innovators. Basically every early innovation that is credited to Apple was actually invented by Xerox. But, because they didn't tie into their core business model of making copies, they didn't do anything with their inventions, and they got left in the dust while other companies made a fortune off of things that Xerox invented. If we're lucky, Google is on the same path.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 These two have been working for decades now, despite their shortcomings. There's a big difference between well-established services and experiments like G+ and Stadia.
So spot on. I still hate Google for phasing out Play Music and MP3 downloads and replacing it or missing the mark with UA-cam Music. Play Music was awesome. YT Music is a troll in comparison. Thanks so much for this video. I'll be sharing it on the socials. Be well and safe Nick.
Personally I think that one of the most interesting (at the moment) services that Google killed was Google Wallet. Or maybe I'm mixing it up with a set of features from Google Assistant. Basically there were a set of features canned around 2018-2019 where Google would pick up plane tickets or movie tickets in your email and keep them so that you have a digital copy. It would remind you of the upcoming events, give you hints such as directions or in the case of flights currency conversions and phrases to your destination country as well as flight status for your flight so you could get the gate number on your phone automatically. The promise was that you would eventually be able to add your drivers licence to the app and it would be a single storage for all your various digital tickets and ID's. It was really convenient to use as well. If this all sounds a bit familiar, it's because they announced some of these as features for their new app this year. Google Wallet. Only a few short years after canning the last Google Wallet with those features. That's what makes it interesting to me: Google will happily can whole apps and feature sets just to admit they still need them a couple years later and build them from scratch all over again rather than just... improving the existing ones
You briefly mentioned Google Cardboard. I think that was actually an example of a Google product going the way of the dinosaurs in a good way. That is, it helped bootstrap VR (and also gave people incorrect expectations according to some) and then when its job was done and people had moved on, it was discontinued. (And Wave would have been a distributed Discord (and more) and it's a shame that future didn't come to pass...)
G+ was hands down the best social media platform. No ads, total control of interactions, and features that made substantive conversation and collaboration front and center.
If only they had just let people decide to sign up or not on their own. The whole "I'm going to ram this thing down your throat at every opportunity" was such a bad choice.
@@dhunter383 And as far as I can remember, making gmail invites only it what made it popular. In the movie facebook does the same but I do not know if this was real.
You are right on with this! This is one reason I do not like depending on their products! They do not have good marketing and do not invest in long term development!
Am i the only one who remembers google wave? Many of the things they developed for Google wave were integrated to other services, but i still like the Wave idea.
Google Wave was great! Real innovation, very different from anything before - and anything since. Very unfortunate it got axed, and nobody has really tried to make anything similar.
it's a mystery why they dropped that product, except maybe they wanted to pick pieces of it to put into Google docs. it was way ahead of its time, and I think one of the big issues may have been that few people understood the concept. yes, it seems pretty straight forward these days, but back then even the limited marketing they did for the product was convoluted and made it hard for the average person to understand the concept of how it could be used in day to day life.
3:48 they do it's called google news, probably realised making a dedicated mobile app that opens news articles and personalises based on your other google account stuff can lead to more data mining potential than rss feeds.
I have avoided using google services because I have been hit by their service cancellation before. It happened to me at a time that I was not prepared to search for alternatives. Instead of using google docs, I decided to learn and install my own OwnCloud/NextCloud.
I'm in the progress of moving away from Google Sheets to self-hosted solutions, because the mobile app sucks and corrupted my spreadsheets twice. I just can't fathom how Google as a tech giant can't make a spreadsheet app right, especially after they bought and killed QuickOffice. NextCloud as an all-in-one solution seems too heavy for my tastes. I'm looking at Standard Notes and Joplin as a Google Keep + Google Sheets alternative. Both are note-taking apps like Google Keep, but has plugins for spreadsheet functionality.
13:51 Nick “opens” the laptop - just by touching his index-fingertip to the top - and _lifting???_ Nick was either bitten by a _radioactive spider_ - or he reversed a clip of himself _closing_ the laptop. I don’t know about you, but I believe Nick’s got Spidey-powers. 🕸👇💻🤫🤥
My trust in Google services bursted after the Hangouts shitshow they created by closing it to "business users", but not completely, and then introducing bunch of other "messengers" with only half of the functionality, and some of them were only available on Android and nowhere else, and then roll everything back by killing new messengers one by one. I've used Hangouts for my extended family communication when left the country, and just imagine how much "fun" I had switching most of my eldery family members elsewhere. After that I will never use any new Google services again, however I just cannot quit using Gmail because of how much I used it for regestering elsewhere.
Google should at least have the decency of open source half of their dead project, it'd also be a smart Machiavellian strategy to pick it up again after the community work on it.
I stopped using Google products a long time ago. The only one I haven’t gotten away from is UA-cam. No proper competitor exists. Mostly because I’m not a fan of their practices. Also low confidence they’ll stick with it.
The only Google services I rely on are Gmail, Google Voice, and now Google Fi. And I'm not worried about those getting the axe. Google is a company big enough, and with enough money, that they can afford to experiment. If something is successful, it stays, and if not, it goes. Sometimes things people like get cut, but that's just how it goes. Google is not the only company guilty of such things.
I never got into cloud gaming, there's always latency and there's no way to hide it. We have latency issues on Linux with Flatpaks, but latency isn't as annoying as it would be in gaming. Flatseal also makes Flatpaks launch faster with GPU acceleration and it has other features.
Oh since it was mentioned. Don't get why they fried Picasa because a lot like a ton of people I know used it. Nexus was great. And Pixel made it expensive.
And yet - Blogger. I like to imagine the whole Blogger team is headquartered somewhere in the Nevada desert in a tin shack on a mine field. They simply don't pick up the phone when Pichai calls. Thus, Blogger survives.
Google has a contract with the Junta de Extremadura, the regional government in the Spanish autonomous region where I live. They provide services for the education system, chiefly the Google Suite for Education (I think they changed the name). Originally, as a teacher you had unlimited space on Drive, and we were told that that was permanent. Very recently, Google decided to limit storage to 50GB. Quite the blow for me -I had almost 80GB stored in their cloud.
Perhaps in other parts of the world these services had at least some value, but in my country they either did not work, or no one used them. Google tried to impose some of the services, but this only led to a worse reputation.
Right alongside you here. I don't get why it seems like Google is often trying to reimagine niches and reinvent what works. ChromeOS is great on it's own. Why not fine tune the Android App experience, give it more desktop productivity features and professional application compatibility, pit it against iPadOS, and showcase it in a folding/extending "Pixel Tab Pro" or "Chromebook Fold"? Same goes with the Project Ara modular phone, Stadia, and tons of other dead ventures. Why kill it when you could have reiterated, collaborated with rookie modular phone brands at the time (Motorola, LG, Teracube, Fairphone, & Shiftphone), and partner with YT Streaming creators to demonstrate/fine-tune what would have been the killer feature of jumping into the same matches with or against friends!? As to how this happens I've heard this is why some ex-Googlers left: to pursue and build ventures that otherwise have a high chance of dying in the hands of Google management. I just read an article by Analytics India Magazine published a week ago reflecting on Stadia. Turns out Google takes the approach of looking at their Top 100 incubators, choosing a dozen to develop into near-market-ready states of release, then maybe MAYBE 1-3 ventures live on and gets built out until all but one dies 2-3 years after public launch. For one, they can afford to take this "let a thousand flowers bloom" approach yearly despite how depressingly wasteful it is. On the other hand it does seem anecdotally that there is a very rampant culture of upper management awarding (and consequentially how employees work on projects) promotions based on launching new products rather than maintaining and building upon them into successful long-term platforms. Sadly teams seem to start falling apart and progress grinds to a halt after the initial launch due core engineers and leads not caring anymore. I know Sundar Pichai can only do so much to address Google's tinkertown world of ventures let alone whole Alphabet subsidiaries that need a solid culture of follow-through, but in my opinion a little more than a little stamina post-launch can go a hopeful long way :) And as the article briefly mentioned Amazon is a good example of a company with a "strong operational culture".
Google USED to innovate and be that hipster company when "don't do evil" was still a thing. It was interesting to see the new stuff they came up with all the time, even if it was a short ride. Today, short of playing politics, race grifting and data mining they don't do shit anymore. I believe Google has the same infestation problem as Twitter: a tech company turned into an adult daycare...
I'll never use Google services for that very reason. Many years ago I was at a Google presentation, trying to hawk their enterprise suite. In the end I flat out told the presenter that Googles service are not trustworthy and not viable as a long term solution as it's likely they will simply disappear in the near future. Same thing when they tried to hire me. I had some fun wasting their interviewers time. I'd never ever work for any of the big techs. They all utterly suck.
I have two nexus phones and two nexus tablets... one phone stopped charging, the other phone stopped acknowledging the sim card. both tablets still work fine.
I remember that anyone with a UA-cam account was foisted upon with Google-Plus, but until today I had no idea at all what it actually was. I never knew it was a social media.
There is a reason why I can't fully switch to Linux and that's is weird hardware support such as diagnostic software for my fleet of trucks. I use Linux on my servers but not on ny main laptop
It's a whole science of risk assessment. Same happens with physics experiments in CERN and other national labs. You don't meet the milestones it gets shut down.
I see you use feedly alot, Import your rss XML file containing 10 folder(from other rss readers) into feedly, and you will have 10 folder compared to just 5 folder limit for free tier. Don't delete the folders. Or else you have import again. Ignore if you already knew this :)
Stadia was dead born from the start, because of awful "yet another x-box" idea. It spoiled market for real cloud gaming operators, like GFN. It should be buried years ago.
Still using Picassa even if Google already pulled it out and not supporting. I like its simplicity and versatility to quickly edit and sort photos. I have not found any free alternative yet that have all the Picassa features included for free.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 you can't buy that data, it's your own photos. I disabled my location data so I can't see that, and I can't buy yours. They do not sell it.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 if you think Google sells people's data and I'm using my real name, just tell me which month I was born in. Simple task, easy proof.
Considering Google's history I was scared that UA-cam was going to fail under their belt. It's weird, though. I love how it's grown but hate what it has become.
Exactly. That's why I was pissed when Google killed GPM. It was a complete music player and had podcast integrated in the app. I could even purchase albums there and have them for life. Yet as Google always does it killed GPM and replaced it with UA-cam Music and I'm disappointed. The only Google product I actually use is Android; but that's as far as it goes.
I find myself using Google services less and less as time goes on. "Hey, here's a great program, integrate it into your life!" and a few years later they yank the rug out from under you. I'm surprised google voice is still around...
09:49 who 'learns' Windows? I mean, Windows is about telling the user what to do while obfuscating, hiding, and blocking them from understanding how everything works. Many of the error dialogs, for example, are just false.
Google would do themselves a favor and just find companies that want to start services/websites and develop it for them. They would get to keep making new stuff and some other company would foot the bill and the service won't die off.
Something funny I found out on my android. Is that Google switched to Google pay from my wallet, and now is switching back to wallet. Google can't make there mind there pretty brainless.
They made a pretty big contribution finally. Now I don’t even try their new products. They will be abandoned in few years any way. PS And u r absolutely right. All they make is about an advertisement. Not because they want to make a great product for me, but because they want to sell more advs. This is crystal clear now. So wth?
Frankly, I don't think I'll ever hitch a ride on any of their new products, they are too - I hate to say it - conservative (the philosophy, not the political party). The problem with Stadia was the crappy business model and the terrible advertising. The product itself was promising, but rather than actually *change* the business model and advertising, they dug their heels into what didn't work until it broke. Where is the iteration? Where is the learning from mistakes? Where is the improvement? Not there. If they can't be bothered to learn from their mistakes - I can't be bothered to try out their new stuff.
Thanks for all the work you do to bring us the latest about what's going on in the Linux/Tech spaces, and how to make the most of open source software out there. It can be hard to navigate and configure Linux and OSS sometimes, but the work you do makes switching a little bit easier (and fun too!) (This Super Thanks brought to you by my Google Stadia refund. Ha! :D )
It's a good thing that google kills off things regularly. It shows that you never ever should trust a singular cloud provider. Whatever you do, do it yourself, and/or use multiple 3rd parties or federated services.
I miss Google+ and a few others, I got pushed that same LTT video and Wolfgang's video, I hadn't seen Wolfgangs channel before tho, I was wondering why it came up, now I know lol
Google Talk was the most straight forward messenger, compatible with lots of open source clients. This was the biggest loss for me. Then they came up with stupid Hangouts and probably another dozen of messengers that were DOA.
Try OnlyOffice, the best open source office suite for Linux: bit.ly/3IQRWfY
WPS Office is also good
LibreOffice for any desktop, Collabora Office for Online
Be proud of yourself, salesman of russian company.
What makes OnlyOffice better than LibreOffice or OpenOffice?
@@KamiEpix In my experience, the compatibility with docx. files is better. I still use Libre Office, but in this regard it's really much better.
For a company that makes the majority of its money from advertising, they sure are awful when it comes to advertising their own products.
Absolutely
The irony 😁
Maybe it's an antitrust thing? I think they're just inconsistent. For example, right here on UA-cam I've seen ads for Search and Google Fi, but never for Gmail, Docs, or Drive.
Also just a shower thought: Google can't pay themselves to advertise. 😛
They probably didn't need more marketing, so didn't use it. To be fair, I think most early adapting gamers new the service and probably tried it already.
They still had to compete against services like Game Pass, which honestly is a great service (not perfect).
Watch invidio us....No more UA-cam...
I still don't get how it makes sense for Google to ship half finished products like Stadia and then killing them.
Yeah. Waste of money and talent!
I think that developing and launching such services is relatively cheap compared to long-term support. Therefore, if the service does not bring profit immediately, it is easier to close it.
@@kote315 Yeah but they don't even try, if Google had wanted, it could have had tremendous help from the gaming industry to get a good business model etc. They just didn't.
@@Dakta96 I kinda like they didn't. Cloud gaming is a bad idea by definition. Firstly, even in the local network, the delays are quite large and the image quality is much worse than when the game is launched natively. Over the Internet, especially in regions where there are not enough fast communication channels and servers, the situation is much worse. It just doesn't work properly and will never work. Second, we shouldn't make games that can't work locally. The power of modern mid-range graphics cards is more than enough to make good games.
Simple, it's a test, if it doesn't work, give up and go to another one. That's how things work. It's bad when something we like gets cancelled, but sometimes that's just how things should be.
This goes even for our daily projects, what's the point of sticking to one if it doesn't go ahead?
No you shouldn’t
That was a quick and simple answer 😁
It really is that simple. When you can’t trust the longevity of a service, which you can’t when google kills them so off handedly you have to plan for it going away. Never mind the privacy issues and what not
Thx for the quick summary!
ya ya ya
Shut up
The one I actually miss is Google Music. It was not only a decent streaming service, but also a really good music player for offline music, way better than most smartphone music player apps. It was also a good alternative to Spotify, as it supported both streaming and actually buying music in a manner similar to Bandcamp, and often with better audio quality (so it was good for the artists as well as consumers).
Google killed it in favor of UA-cam Music, which is basically a stripped down version of normal UA-cam, with all of its problems.
Same, it never made any sense that they'd kill it in favor of YT music. it was already perfect. Well, close enough anyway. Suppose, they just couldn't stand that they didn't have a good way to inject adverts into your offline playlists. Glad they at least let us export our libraries though. Wonder how long until their Google Play Books store gets pulled, in favor of a UA-cam Books app. Hopefully we'll get to export those as well if it does happen.
personally i've been using BlackPlayer for the past 3 years, it's the best android music player i've used so far and i cannot recommend it enough
Linking an offline (local) music player with a music marketplace already feels weird to me. Poweramp (paid) is said to be the best music player for Android; I bought it and have no regrets.
jetAudio seems nice too; it's also available on iOS and I mainly use it there.
I would have used Stadia if I had confidence google wasn't going to kill it off. It was a great service, I was just worried that I would spend money on it and that would go down the drain once google inevitably axed it.
Yeah, the business proposition wasn’t that interesting to me, but the quality looked really good!
Somewhat paradoxically, if they had announced up front that they would refund all purchases when they killed it, maybe it would have gotten enough users that they wouldn't have needed to kill it 😅
@@zarinloosli5338 I would have bought Stadia games if I knew they would get refunded if and when the service shut down. It's a paradox indeed.
We need free and open source alternatives to every Google service including some of the dead ones
(Edit): nice now with attention I can request some help making a Gaming console DE for Linux something light fast and perfect
Which ones do you miss that haven't been covered yet?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 lmao
@@he8535 I guess that will be like open source steam link, rather than stadia
Google+ lmao
@@he8535 the whole point of streaming is that u don't need good hardware...
Call me paranoid, but I think either Google mocks their users some reason or it's their AI is learning to make marketing decisions for them 🤔😁.
Thanks for the video, Nick 😉👍!
You’re paranoid.
They censored comments by the way
Google engineers come up with projects to solve issues or invent features. They are more interested in creating something and providing a service than making money. Then the suits at the top see that a given project is not making money and instead of thinking of ways to make money off it they kill it.
Google is a true Hipster. Not only does it create stuff before it is cool, it also kills it off before it actually manages to become cool 🤣
I hated what happened to Google+. I never felt like I was the audience of the Facebook 'closed system'. Before social media, mailing lists "were" the social media (and IRC). Flame wars and too much email kinda killed most of that for me (aka: unsubscribe). Facebook is just falling into the same 'rut' and Facebook curates your contacts for itself and not for the average user. Google+ was a great alternative as it 'bridged the gap' and extended your existing contacts (I'd 'merge' Google+ contacts with email contacts easily). Way back, I used to 'time box' my time on these mailing lists (as it would 'suck you in' for hours). On Facebook, I do the same thing _but_ I find that you get a whole lot less for a limited time investment than I used to with mailing lists (aka: less efficient). Stuff like that means I get diminishing returns using Facebook so I just try to stay off and go other ways.
Google getting rid of services is one of the key reasons I host most of the services I use myself. Nextcloud, Onlyoffice, website, everything except email.
Yep, I use Nextcloud and only office too
They should have been more patient with Google Plus. I always said FB would fall down sooner or later, and people would be looking for something other than Tik Tok, etc. Also, their efforts to turn YT into a 'social media site' suck. It's really only good for consuming some kinds of content.
I feel like Stadia didn't just add to the problem, it was also a victim of the same problem. I've seen a lot of people who've said "yeah, seems like an interesting idea, but I don't want to buy full-priced games on a platform that Google's gonna kill within a couple of years".
Ahh, Reader.
Truly one of the best products they axed and the main reason I started to mess with Docker to set up TinyTinyRSS or freshRSS now.
Also don't forget Google Talk which was a really solid and stable Jabber/XMPP server baked into their web design so it was super simple to use.
Such great tools that just show how bad Google had become over the years doing new interesting stuff.
Way back in the early days of home computing, Xerox was one of the biggest innovators. Basically every early innovation that is credited to Apple was actually invented by Xerox. But, because they didn't tie into their core business model of making copies, they didn't do anything with their inventions, and they got left in the dust while other companies made a fortune off of things that Xerox invented. If we're lucky, Google is on the same path.
I trust Gmail and UA-cam only, everything else not so much.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 These two have been working for decades now, despite their shortcomings. There's a big difference between well-established services and experiments like G+ and Stadia.
Don't trust nothing have a back up service
So spot on. I still hate Google for phasing out Play Music and MP3 downloads and replacing it or missing the mark with UA-cam Music. Play Music was awesome. YT Music is a troll in comparison. Thanks so much for this video. I'll be sharing it on the socials. Be well and safe Nick.
Personally I think that one of the most interesting (at the moment) services that Google killed was Google Wallet. Or maybe I'm mixing it up with a set of features from Google Assistant. Basically there were a set of features canned around 2018-2019 where Google would pick up plane tickets or movie tickets in your email and keep them so that you have a digital copy. It would remind you of the upcoming events, give you hints such as directions or in the case of flights currency conversions and phrases to your destination country as well as flight status for your flight so you could get the gate number on your phone automatically. The promise was that you would eventually be able to add your drivers licence to the app and it would be a single storage for all your various digital tickets and ID's. It was really convenient to use as well.
If this all sounds a bit familiar, it's because they announced some of these as features for their new app this year. Google Wallet. Only a few short years after canning the last Google Wallet with those features. That's what makes it interesting to me: Google will happily can whole apps and feature sets just to admit they still need them a couple years later and build them from scratch all over again rather than just... improving the existing ones
2:10 Google Plus is still around as Google Currents or something like that on G Suite accounts, have access to this on one of my emails
You briefly mentioned Google Cardboard. I think that was actually an example of a Google product going the way of the dinosaurs in a good way. That is, it helped bootstrap VR (and also gave people incorrect expectations according to some) and then when its job was done and people had moved on, it was discontinued.
(And Wave would have been a distributed Discord (and more) and it's a shame that future didn't come to pass...)
Yeah, Wave was a great idea
I feel the same when studying google tools, frameworks and libraries. Always suspicious they will kill it before it gets solid.
13:51 Reverse footage to make things look better - that's a pretty common advertising strategy...
Nothing from Google Just the store
G+ was hands down the best social media platform. No ads, total control of interactions, and features that made substantive conversation and collaboration front and center.
Agreed. Like Facebook, but tons better.
Minds tried to copy them
If only they had just let people decide to sign up or not on their own. The whole "I'm going to ram this thing down your throat at every opportunity" was such a bad choice.
@@dhunter383 it failed not because of that
@@dhunter383 And as far as I can remember, making gmail invites only it what made it popular. In the movie facebook does the same but I do not know if this was real.
You are right on with this! This is one reason I do not like depending on their products! They do not have good marketing and do not invest in long term development!
Am i the only one who remembers google wave? Many of the things they developed for Google wave were integrated to other services, but i still like the Wave idea.
Wave was awesome
Google Wave was great! Real innovation, very different from anything before - and anything since. Very unfortunate it got axed, and nobody has really tried to make anything similar.
it's a mystery why they dropped that product, except maybe they wanted to pick pieces of it to put into Google docs.
it was way ahead of its time, and I think one of the big issues may have been that few people understood the concept. yes, it seems pretty straight forward these days, but back then even the limited marketing they did for the product was convoluted and made it hard for the average person to understand the concept of how it could be used in day to day life.
"Deprecation" is an official state in Google's lifecycle of development.
Pity Google don't close everything of theirs down,they are too big and too intrusive.
3:48 they do it's called google news, probably realised making a dedicated mobile app that opens news articles and personalises based on your other google account stuff can lead to more data mining potential than rss feeds.
I have avoided using google services because I have been hit by their service cancellation before. It happened to me at a time that I was not prepared to search for alternatives.
Instead of using google docs, I decided to learn and install my own OwnCloud/NextCloud.
I'm in the progress of moving away from Google Sheets to self-hosted solutions, because the mobile app sucks and corrupted my spreadsheets twice. I just can't fathom how Google as a tech giant can't make a spreadsheet app right, especially after they bought and killed QuickOffice.
NextCloud as an all-in-one solution seems too heavy for my tastes. I'm looking at Standard Notes and Joplin as a Google Keep + Google Sheets alternative. Both are note-taking apps like Google Keep, but has plugins for spreadsheet functionality.
Inbox was an awesome email client, I really miss using it.
13:51 Nick “opens” the laptop - just by touching his index-fingertip to the top - and _lifting???_ Nick was either bitten by a _radioactive spider_ - or he reversed a clip of himself _closing_ the laptop.
I don’t know about you, but I believe Nick’s got Spidey-powers. 🕸👇💻🤫🤥
My trust in Google services bursted after the Hangouts shitshow they created by closing it to "business users", but not completely, and then introducing bunch of other "messengers" with only half of the functionality, and some of them were only available on Android and nowhere else, and then roll everything back by killing new messengers one by one. I've used Hangouts for my extended family communication when left the country, and just imagine how much "fun" I had switching most of my eldery family members elsewhere. After that I will never use any new Google services again, however I just cannot quit using Gmail because of how much I used it for regestering elsewhere.
Google should at least have the decency of open source half of their dead project, it'd also be a smart Machiavellian strategy to pick it up again after the community work on it.
I stopped using Google products a long time ago. The only one I haven’t gotten away from is UA-cam. No proper competitor exists. Mostly because I’m not a fan of their practices. Also low confidence they’ll stick with it.
The only Google services I rely on are Gmail, Google Voice, and now Google Fi. And I'm not worried about those getting the axe.
Google is a company big enough, and with enough money, that they can afford to experiment. If something is successful, it stays, and if not, it goes. Sometimes things people like get cut, but that's just how it goes. Google is not the only company guilty of such things.
I never got into cloud gaming, there's always latency and there's no way to hide it. We have latency issues on Linux with Flatpaks, but latency isn't as annoying as it would be in gaming. Flatseal also makes Flatpaks launch faster with GPU acceleration and it has other features.
Oh since it was mentioned. Don't get why they fried Picasa because a lot like a ton of people I know used it.
Nexus was great. And Pixel made it expensive.
We shouldn't even trust their old services. Let alone the new ones.
And yet - Blogger. I like to imagine the whole Blogger team is headquartered somewhere in the Nevada desert in a tin shack on a mine field. They simply don't pick up the phone when Pichai calls. Thus, Blogger survives.
Google has a contract with the Junta de Extremadura, the regional government in the Spanish autonomous region where I live. They provide services for the education system, chiefly the Google Suite for Education (I think they changed the name). Originally, as a teacher you had unlimited space on Drive, and we were told that that was permanent.
Very recently, Google decided to limit storage to 50GB. Quite the blow for me -I had almost 80GB stored in their cloud.
3:06 - Google says, "Oh yeah? We'll show you!" and then creates Google+++ to stream three times better.
5:35 You have reminded me to take more French courses.
Perhaps in other parts of the world these services had at least some value, but in my country they either did not work, or no one used them. Google tried to impose some of the services, but this only led to a worse reputation.
I actually liked Google plus. Lots of solid news and articles. Also for sharing kid’s pictures it was far better than Facebook.
Every time Google closes something of theirs it benefits humanity.
Right alongside you here. I don't get why it seems like Google is often trying to reimagine niches and reinvent what works.
ChromeOS is great on it's own. Why not fine tune the Android App experience, give it more desktop productivity features and professional application compatibility, pit it against iPadOS, and showcase it in a folding/extending "Pixel Tab Pro" or "Chromebook Fold"?
Same goes with the Project Ara modular phone, Stadia, and tons of other dead ventures. Why kill it when you could have reiterated, collaborated with rookie modular phone brands at the time (Motorola, LG, Teracube, Fairphone, & Shiftphone), and partner with YT Streaming creators to demonstrate/fine-tune what would have been the killer feature of jumping into the same matches with or against friends!?
As to how this happens I've heard this is why some ex-Googlers left: to pursue and build ventures that otherwise have a high chance of dying in the hands of Google management.
I just read an article by Analytics India Magazine published a week ago reflecting on Stadia. Turns out Google takes the approach of looking at their Top 100 incubators, choosing a dozen to develop into near-market-ready states of release, then maybe MAYBE 1-3 ventures live on and gets built out until all but one dies 2-3 years after public launch.
For one, they can afford to take this "let a thousand flowers bloom" approach yearly despite how depressingly wasteful it is. On the other hand it does seem anecdotally that there is a very rampant culture of upper management awarding (and consequentially how employees work on projects) promotions based on launching new products rather than maintaining and building upon them into successful long-term platforms.
Sadly teams seem to start falling apart and progress grinds to a halt after the initial launch due core engineers and leads not caring anymore.
I know Sundar Pichai can only do so much to address Google's tinkertown world of ventures let alone whole Alphabet subsidiaries that need a solid culture of follow-through, but in my opinion a little more than a little stamina post-launch can go a hopeful long way :)
And as the article briefly mentioned Amazon is a good example of a company with a "strong operational culture".
Google will kill me next
Google USED to innovate and be that hipster company when "don't do evil" was still a thing. It was interesting to see the new stuff they came up with all the time, even if it was a short ride.
Today, short of playing politics, race grifting and data mining they don't do shit anymore. I believe Google has the same infestation problem as Twitter: a tech company turned into an adult daycare...
I'll never use Google services for that very reason. Many years ago I was at a Google presentation, trying to hawk their enterprise suite. In the end I flat out told the presenter that Googles service are not trustworthy and not viable as a long term solution as it's likely they will simply disappear in the near future.
Same thing when they tried to hire me. I had some fun wasting their interviewers time. I'd never ever work for any of the big techs. They all utterly suck.
I have two nexus phones and two nexus tablets... one phone stopped charging, the other phone stopped acknowledging the sim card. both tablets still work fine.
To this day I am SO MAD over Google Reader!
I remember that anyone with a UA-cam account was foisted upon with Google-Plus, but until today I had no idea at all what it actually was. I never knew it was a social media.
Oh wow I did not realize that Google killed off AngularJS, that’s crazy.
I was so sad when Google killed Google+. I liked it more than FB and even Twitter. :( I never used Reader than much though
There is a reason why I can't fully switch to Linux and that's is weird hardware support such as diagnostic software for my fleet of trucks. I use Linux on my servers but not on ny main laptop
I don't use google other than the search engine.
I remember I used google+ for some gaming communities 2015-2017
no mention of Google music?
They keep messing with gmail trying to do too many things. I can't even find "Reply all".
It's a whole science of risk assessment. Same happens with physics experiments in CERN and other national labs. You don't meet the milestones it gets shut down.
I see you use feedly alot, Import your rss XML file containing 10 folder(from other rss readers) into feedly, and you will have 10 folder compared to just 5 folder limit for free tier. Don't delete the folders. Or else you have import again. Ignore if you already knew this :)
Google motto: Dont be evil --- what a joke
Stadia was dead born from the start, because of awful "yet another x-box" idea. It spoiled market for real cloud gaming operators, like GFN.
It should be buried years ago.
I liked the old news format, far less scrolling, I gave it up. They're customizable home page too.
Google Plus had the circles, those were good.
Still using Picassa even if Google already pulled it out and not supporting. I like its simplicity and versatility to quickly edit and sort photos. I have not found any free alternative yet that have all the Picassa features included for free.
I’m surprised they haven’t started charging for gmail/Google suite.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 they don't steal anything and they don't sell your data. Don't believe me? Try buying your own data, see where it gets you!
@@terrydaktyllus1320 you can't buy that data, it's your own photos. I disabled my location data so I can't see that, and I can't buy yours. They do not sell it.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 your every email analyzed for personalized ads. This is the cost.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 if you think Google sells people's data and I'm using my real name, just tell me which month I was born in. Simple task, easy proof.
I have been de-tangling myself from the tyrany of 'free' the last couple of years.
Google wants the future to looked like a Gibson novel...without any of the interesting/useful bits. Plan accordingly.
I hope they don’t kill Google Keep
Quite shocked about AngularJS
Google doesn't have enough processing power to continue stagnant services, period.
Considering Google's history I was scared that UA-cam was going to fail under their belt. It's weird, though. I love how it's grown but hate what it has become.
I have never heard of reader... Sounds cool though
Exactly. That's why I was pissed when Google killed GPM. It was a complete music player and had podcast integrated in the app. I could even purchase albums there and have them for life. Yet as Google always does it killed GPM and replaced it with UA-cam Music and I'm disappointed. The only Google product I actually use is Android; but that's as far as it goes.
I have been avoiding Google since the day they killed Chromecast Audio,
I find myself using Google services less and less as time goes on. "Hey, here's a great program, integrate it into your life!" and a few years later they yank the rug out from under you. I'm surprised google voice is still around...
I still use Google Picasa. It's actually quite convenient to use.
Maps and Sheets are only GOOG services I use frequently. Wish they charged a few dollars a year for them. Miss the old WhatsApp business model
09:49 who 'learns' Windows? I mean, Windows is about telling the user what to do while obfuscating, hiding, and blocking them from understanding how everything works. Many of the error dialogs, for example, are just false.
Anytime an article or video title ends with a question mark, the answer to the posed question is "No".
Google would do themselves a favor and just find companies that want to start services/websites and develop it for them. They would get to keep making new stuff and some other company would foot the bill and the service won't die off.
I got a Google fi ad before this 💀
Something funny I found out on my android. Is that Google switched to Google pay from my wallet, and now is switching back to wallet. Google can't make there mind there pretty brainless.
They made a pretty big contribution finally. Now I don’t even try their new products. They will be abandoned in few years any way.
PS And u r absolutely right. All they make is about an advertisement. Not because they want to make a great product for me, but because they want to sell more advs. This is crystal clear now. So wth?
I had a Nexus 5 and it was pretty great.
You should only trust the youtube channel called: The Linux Experiment. He’s never wrong
The worse a Google service is, the longer it lasts
When Google plus died i was shocked. Stadia was not given a fair chance. I'm wary now when it comes to Google
I'm boycotting
Frankly, I don't think I'll ever hitch a ride on any of their new products, they are too - I hate to say it - conservative (the philosophy, not the political party). The problem with Stadia was the crappy business model and the terrible advertising. The product itself was promising, but rather than actually *change* the business model and advertising, they dug their heels into what didn't work until it broke. Where is the iteration? Where is the learning from mistakes? Where is the improvement? Not there. If they can't be bothered to learn from their mistakes - I can't be bothered to try out their new stuff.
I just got a Dayream VR Headset D'oh!.
There was also Google Wave, which at least ended up a open source project.
Really? They open sourced it?
@@TheLinuxEXP Last update by Apache was six years ago. It's archived.
I still miss wave. Wave was great.
Thanks for all the work you do to bring us the latest about what's going on in the Linux/Tech spaces, and how to make the most of open source software out there. It can be hard to navigate and configure Linux and OSS sometimes, but the work you do makes switching a little bit easier (and fun too!)
(This Super Thanks brought to you by my Google Stadia refund. Ha! :D )
I don't use Google for anything. Well some times I do use Google maps.
It's a good thing that google kills off things regularly.
It shows that you never ever should trust a singular cloud provider.
Whatever you do, do it yourself, and/or use multiple 3rd parties or federated services.
G+ did indeed not suck though. But it's dead, so that was a clear statement.
I miss Google+ and a few others, I got pushed that same LTT video and Wolfgang's video, I hadn't seen Wolfgangs channel before tho, I was wondering why it came up, now I know lol
Some of my best online memories were from Google+ I miss it =(
Google Talk was the most straight forward messenger, compatible with lots of open source clients. This was the biggest loss for me. Then they came up with stupid Hangouts and probably another dozen of messengers that were DOA.