How Limbo Became The Most Misunderstood Warframe
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2023
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Limbo has been a widely misunderstood Warframe, from his initial release to present. Limbo is an oddity that isn't from our plane of existance, an interdimensional rift walker capable of manipulating his surroundings. So today let's take a dive into the Rift Plane and see what Limbo is all about.
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Intro: 00:18 - 1:07
U15: 1:08 - 7:22
2015: 7:23 - 10:45
Limbo Revisited: 10:46 - 15:23
Post Limbomb: 15:24 - 17:55
Plaguestar: 17:56 - 21:11
27.2 & Scarlet Spear: 21:12 - 24:26
SE Exploit: 24:27 - 25:12
Eximus & Veilbreaker: 25:13 - 28:16
Present: 28:17 - 35:41
Rift Surge: 35:42 - 39:03
Other Aspects: 39:04 - 44:30
Conclusion: 44:31 - 45:52
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I want to give a VERY special Thank You to N7Cadaverous for teaching me how to play Limbo and giving me a better understanding about him, I also want to give shoutouts to Spooki, Bryan and Rexq8 for giving me further insights on Limbo, thank you fellas as this video wouldn't have been possible without you!
Also want to mention that During 2014 the information on Limbo was pretty scarce as there were only general guides and negativity about the trolls, I feel like I did miss something significant with Limbo during his release so if you do notice something substantial was missed, then please do let me know and I'll add it to the pinned comment. And finally, Duviri didn't change Limbo directly but if he does end up useful for the new content then other creators will make a vid about it.
just a small correction: back in the day we had AMAZING mobility (using staff melees), still it was infuriating for the lock of pickups and oh boy mobile defense missions were a pain...
There are some other unique interactions that Limbo has that no other frame does. For instance you can use his ultimate to lock down an area you know team mates won't actively use. Banish can be used for isolating and assassinating key targets so friendlies can focus elsewhere. Mods like life-strike can make him self-sustain because the enemy has no way to fight back and you have all the time in the world to use it as you see fit. Banish knockdown can also be used tactically. Think of it like an alternate take on a duelist in that sense, you exploit their weakness and buff your strengths and in the duels he has, he is unmatched in power.
Limbo has the highest skill ceiling in the game I think and while I do think he could use small touch ups here and there, in the right hands he can be a decent Warframe. The key of using Limbo is to have an intriquite understanding of his abilities, mechanics and how they affect yourself, teammates and enemies alike. The best way to understand his impact to the team is to understanding the Rift-mecehanic. As NovaUmbral mentioned, Banish isolates enemies into the Rift. This is how Limbo should be used, as someone who isolates. So for example in survival, go to places where your teammates don't go. You'll still contribute at max value while not interrupting teammates. He is the most complex Warframe that requires, thematically, good mathematical skills and space awareness.
@@alessandroblue7 Ah i shoulda clarified a bit I meant just in general without the copter / swing copter, but yeah tonbo FTW!
1. BRUH! Ty so much! Not a limbo main but I do thoroughly enjoy him. I struggled with Rift surge to the point of replacing it with Yareli spinning blades (it's super effective) on most of my builds. Gonna go try right surging al as soon as I get off work in not 2 hours.
2. Didn't see it in the vid: use Yareli spinning blades, rift Walk, laugh but don't pee on yourself. Adding power strength helps with higher level mobs. Approach nullifiers slowly to kill.
3. Max range limbo with high duration can lock out index enemies from scoring, easy 3 round no score for the nightwave.
Acorrding to one comic I saw way back when. Banishing someone also stopped their abilities
"Just because I tell people who do not have hats on their heads that they're inferior doesn't make me a racist. It makes me correct" - Omni Voice
I still quote it years ago.
He just makes no sense to me I tried to use him but it’s confusing
@@ImtooSleepy Its remarkably simple.
1 = Shunt a Group into the Rift.
3 = Cast on Rifted Group to make a bigger group after 1 expires-(usually after holding 1 to unbanish.)
4 = Lockdown one area as your pocket dimension-(alternate between this and 1/3 depending on energy levels and objective.)
2 = Make everything in the Rift or going into the Rift completely unable to do anything for the next thirty or so seconds.
@@chrisonewiththesalt Or just give him max range and some efficiency so you can lay down Stasis'd Cataclysms so massive that it won't bother your squad. Keep 2 up when you need enemies frozen, take it down when you want them to move in. Only use 1 for defense objectives. Only use 3 when playing solo. And use him only on grineer and infested missions to avoid nullifiers constantly popping your Cataclysm (just use a different frame for missions that spawn nullifiers, honestly).
Bonus points for subsuming Pull into him so you can forcibly drag groups of enemies into Cataclysm.
@@Maverick2736 Max Range Cataclysm means your squad is all but forced to run Radar.
I miss the frozen projectiles. It was always hilarious freezing the last enemy snd surrounding them with Kunai or arrows and just watching them become a pin cushion.
You mean there was a time where I could have been even more dio than now?
@@matthewmartinez3550 yes. His second ability stopped both friendly and enemy projectiles, which means that if you had enough duration you could trap 5+ enemies and empty your entire quiver before the first arrow landed.
You can still do this with friendly fire in the simulacrum, which is fun
stasis still does that
@@Boiled_Pizza only to enemy projectiles. All friendly bullets fly free.
More rift surge tips:
1- Use banish to make the enemies leave the rift instead of holding down the ability.
2- Cataclysm > Rift surge > Disable Cataclysm = a banish with the size of the cataclysm
3- with 200% casting speed, you can cast the 2- setup before a nullifier disables the cataclysm, even if there is a nullifier in the range of cataclysm
Ill need a deeper explanation of the third one
@@hiddencrow7907 I think it means you cast shit faster than the nullifier can nullify
Why the first one, wouldn't you waste energy recasting banish? Edit: I guess using another banish has more range
new player interested in limbo here, how can i get 200% casting speed?
@@kalebbrake5882 if you dispel using banish you can target which enemies affected by rift surge you want to affect
You can also give Limbo silence as well, not only do you get another layer of cc, eximus units cannot trigger abilities, you still have to worry about them but not as much, this makes the nullifier the only big treat you have, but as long as you dont have to kill enemis you can get around this, in most missions there is a enemy cap and if you dont kill anyone, the nullifiers cant spawn, therefore it is ggs for all of you (but I may be wrong).
Yep! I forgot to mention this but silence will make it easier to manage!
@@NovaUmbral I also use Titania ability since it makes you inmune to status effects and is only duration and range base.
man, i pray that incarnon miter is gonna be something like the second coming of sliced bread.
Wait, Silence stops Eximus abilities? Banshee is one of my favorites, and I don't know how this works. Could you explain?
@@Havok91 silence makes almost all enemis not use any abilitie; eximus, angel, even acolytes.
Note, specifically Ordis implies during his last lines of the quest that the miscalculation that made Limbo explode was about the distance in particular.
Yeah, up until that point Limbo had made several jumps, just pushing the limit each time.
You missed 2 small QoL facts but asides from that 10/10 video. Facts: 1 Banish pushes enemies out of limbos CURRENT plane of existence. Meaning you can selectively push some enemies from the rift back into reality if need be. 2 Rift surge it's self can also be spread by killing enemies. A bit different than infinite banish by holding 1 (which I never knew about until now!) But it's another option.
Thank you so much for this video.
Oooo great tips! Thanks for sharing
"cataclysm is another gateway to the rift, it's not the rift itself."
Ofc the limbo video has philosophical sounding stuff in it lol
I love this video so much, I considered myself a limbo main, but I was not aware of the sheer amount of intricacies and nuances of his kit. Thank you so much bro, I'm glad I'm subscribed to you with bell notifications on
No cataclysm is god
@@someoneschannel7757 "Those ignorant to the truth shall never be one with the rift"
-Pope of the Limbo church
Thats not philosophy, thats just true, cataclysm isn't the rift, its just a bubble.
@@DronesOverTheMoon no cataclysm is a cat god that canonicly stopped the new war by eating natah
@@Joezone619 I said "philosophical sounding" I never claimed it's actual philosophy lmao
As a Limbo main I’m really glad I saw this video because I feel bad for the players who were trolled by the limbos before and even when I first started playing him, people in pubs were afraid that I would troll them as well. I always try to be considerate of other players when I play him because I know his abilities are not easy to play with it for other players. I also was doubting his usage in the game as well. I never thought he couldn’t be used but I know if used him how other players would be affected but after seeing this not only did I learn a couple things about him but it honestly reignited the flame I had for him when I first started playing him so I thank you for that.
P.S I did not know rift torrent scaled off of power strength, I wished I figure that out on my own because I always thought that limbo needed a way to damage enemies and I thought rift torrent was just a small bandaid to that problem.
I was kinda phobic of limbo for a while after his release. I think I finally shook that around Scarlet Spear, where he was a core member of the favored squads. Anymore, I use limbo occasionally if I need to defend something where I don't think my offensive frames or Khora will cut it. Still not a frame I'm fond of, but not one I am nervous about seeing in the team anymore
Lotta times if I see a limbo I'll beg to be thrown in the rift. That energy regen is nice.
I seldom do research on things like this, so when I got Limbo I just played the same way I play with any other frame, not realizing my abilities had an effect on my team. Hopefully I wasn’t too much of a nuisance
@@HalfbreedTrini you most certainly were😂 limbo is honestly my favorite frame so much that he isn't like any other frame cause you can go Unga boonga drop and pop bubble or set and forget stasis and let you squad assassinate trash and is style is just so crisp he doesn't need any if little accessories
I really like limbos character so when I got him I was ecstatic but everytime i did something my teammates would tell me not to use limbo so I felt bad for a bit but then I learned how to use him better and I don’t regret picking him as a main also love his hats
Limbo is so cool, the big hiccup I have with him is I'm constantly rolling on missions, so I'm always popping in and out of the rift at inopportune times.
That's why I always bullet jump straight up, higher than most players normally ascend to, and roll into the Rift there. That way if anyone enters the portal, it's either a Titania in Razorwing, flying erratically, or the player is intentionally trying to touch the portal.
Slide for speed. Slide, bullet jump, slide. Roll for the rift.
Rolling is most useful in the rift.
My first encounter with Limbo was before I knew anything about what he did, so I thought the game was outright broken when every so often I'd get stuck in a weird state where I couldn't do damage anymore. Some wild in-mission messages occurred that day
The problem I have with Limbo is, it's difficult to know which enemies are on the same plane as you. You try to shoot an enemy and it does nothing because you are in the rift and the enemy isn't. Also, the colour change of the screen when you are in the rift seems a bit to subtle to me. I need to know for sure if I am in the rift, or I just got a magnetic status effect, or something else that affects my vision.
Bright energy colors work best for that, even if it annoys teammates. It's better to clearly see what enemies are rifted and where a cataclysm is than to be completely surprised
Edited for typo corrections
Yeah, that's the big reason why I don't really play Limbo. Even with just casual observation my eyes can't really tell the difference. Plus, I have glaucoma so my eyes are especially jacked up. The cel shaded sort of effect is pretty, yeah, but when everything is flying all over the screen I'm focusing more on the enemies and less on everything else. I can lose track pretty easily. Also, that little black energy effect that shows who is in the Rift is WAY too subtle for me to even register that it's usually present. I will tip my hat to the people who play him well. At least in my book they deserve some respect for taking his kit and really putting in the practice in learning it. I will say though, I've been lucky, judging by some other comments, that I never got grouped with a troll Limbo. So, thank the Warframe gods for that?
The original rift effects were quite obvious. The enemy was engulfed in huge white flames. It made them look like phantom monsters. This was fine for 1 enemy but when its a whole bunch, you see nothing but white flames on screen. DE over nerfed it. Now you'll barely notice the tiny flames on the enemy's feet.
Using a chain attack weapon like Amprex helps a lot with this issue. If you want to see how my Limbo guide shows this in action.
I played some sort of defense mission for relics, there was a limbo on my team (for once lol) - he was okay, but as a Gara, my abilities acted weird while I was inside of his giant rift thing, its as if they just didn't want to register (and I couldnt explode my glass wall)
I dunno how limbo works-ish, but it was just a lil weird to experience for the first time lol
I never considered that players held the misconception that "the Rift" was just Limbo's 4. When you said that, a lot of the community's aversion toward Limbo suddenly made sense to me. They don't know that Cataclysm is just a bubble *of* Rift, not the Rift in its entirety.
You have no idea how many think it's all because people can't seem to wrap their heads around how limbo works and they want to take the easy way to being the most powerful
(In fact only about 0.96-2% of the whole Warframe community have mastered limbo and his prime that's how many so 98% to 99.04% of Warframe players don't understand limbo)
if there are a million fans of Limbo, I'm one of them. if there are 100 fans of Limbo, I'm one of them. if there is 1 fan of Limbo, it is me. if there are no fans of Limbo, I am dead. the amount of labwork I have put in to make Limbo work without using community info and still ending up on these different points you brought up makes me proud to be a Limbo main.
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Huge amount of respect to you as a player who has used limbo more than rhino if I had to choose between rhino and limbo for steel path I would of chosen limbo
rhino he is arguably one of the best but once you have a build that makes rhino pretty much untouchable he just becomes boring to use and no longer fun
(and I would rather have a Warframe that is active and fun then god tier powerful and boring warframe)
while with limbo you have to remain active not just to survive but to Keep your damage up (rift surge and the argument rift torment which rift torment has no cap to it)
I was expecting another well done retrospective from you like usual, but this one especially felt like a limbo tribute. I could feel a lot of passion put into this vid (episode? installment?), and the rift surge revelation was so wild I needed five replays to understand it. Really got me interested in limbo now, I kinda put him off because I wanted to establish myself with simpler and more available frames but you've convinced me to pick him up again.
Man remember when DE removed stasis' ability to stop friendly projectiles but didn't remove the projectile cap that stasis had? That was a weird time
Limbo is the Troll kid who had a redemption arc and now grew has a person but now struggles to prove it.
As an Limbo main for the last 4+ years, I’m glad to hear you took the time to learn how to use him and learned just how fun he can be to play.
Personally, Limbo has probably one of the highest skill Ceilings in the game. Making it so the more you know how to play him the harder it is for DE to nerf him for you. In my own experience I play limbo a lot in public so I don’t actually use rift surge that much and replace it. With my Own ranking of his abilities being:
1. *Passive* - if you git gud with it you essentially unlock ultra instinct and are essentially immortal. Combo this with magnus lockdown and rolling gaurd and you can bunker buster nullified bubbles (by op dash on rim of bubble to lockdown, return to limbo then dash into bubble to trigger invulnerability and unload into nullifiers head) or eximus to name an few.
2. *stasis*
3. *banish* - good for multiple types of defense targets
4. *cataclysm* - best to run min range max duration since the bubble is so small that it stops nullifiers and eximus with guns from getting close enough to pop it.
5. *rift torrent* - definitely good in solo play but not so much in public due angering other players and how people will probably kill targets before they get close enough to the trap.
So I have current replaced it with stynax’s helmith which removes all defenses with +200% (which you can get even with min range max duration build with shards) power strength even through demolyst bubbles and active overgaurd. Turning limbo into an invincible tank buster for demolyst, eximus, acolytes, tanky high level enemies, thrax, some steel path bosses and relay warframe junctions, etc.
Oberon's smite can be good chip damage and cc while in relative safety if someone doesn’t have stynax...
And honestly, the weapons meta generally nerfed the power of most warframe abilities besides limbo. Since in my own experience it’s pretty easy to use an weapon that can either one shot head shot lvl 10k demolyst or does damage cap with an large aoe and nuke an room as limbo before an Mesa or sayrn can ramp up their meta ability to do the same.
And don’t even get me started on RJ crew mates and/or kahl and how they can trivialize things for limbo even more.
I used to be a big limbo head but overguard made me so sad, I've been meaning to try silence on him, Because it stops exumi from using their power moves
Limbo is easy, finding BAD Limbo players are easier. I refuse to play with a Limbo cause they fuck my setup 99 times out of a 100. And that 1 of the 100 that I don't mind Limbo in a pug are the rare good Limbo player that just don't stasis then afk and run around only to die. I do check the progress chart and again most of the time the Limbo player will have almost no kills cause they just hide in their bubble and get downed by an eximus that wanders in cause they were expecting to hide in the bubble and get a carry they didn't bring a proper weapon.
I actually get alot of use out of Silence, personally.
before the eximus rework, limbo is one of my used frames for sorties and even SP. The negative range cataclysm was genius. Pop 4 and stand outside of it while you are in your passive
My favored setups are actually unaffected by limbo, but limbo can absolutely wreak havoc on some loadouts. In my case, I have a hysteria Valkyr who just slaps everything for absurd damage numbers anyway as my primary frame
It might have only been my circles, but I was under the impression that Limbo was very popular in corrupted mod farming, because he could carry all 4 dragon keys and be perfectly safe in the rift, while the other party members can be running at max power to make completing the mission and finding the key easy.
Personally, I prefer to use Gauss because I can kill everything with his 3 and still run fast af, even with all the dragon keys.
Shit bro, that's how I do corrupted mod farming. Throw all of the keys on, hop into a capture mission, and as soon as I clear the objective I yeet myself into the rift and hunt for the door.
I used to play Limbo for years, up until the Eximus rework, where I feel his squishiness finally caught up with him. But it's only a matter of time before something new changes and Limbo is back on top again.
Dude just shield gate. I dont know how that hasnt been nerfed or its even a thing. Shield gating makes survival trivial.
You can block the the Eximus wave. Not hard to see it coming too.
im waiting patiently for vauban but until now i didnt know how excited id be for a limbo video too. limbo was my first main before i got vauban and ive been using him alot more lately for steel essence farming
also thanks for not putting duviri spoilers. i havnt gotten a chance to play it yet
I used to be a Limbo main, even being my first Prime until I felt my abilities weren't being appreciated. But ever since Harrow Prime came out I've been a Harrow main, and I'm happy with that.
Another fellow Harrow main. I appreciate this comment
@@frostcy999 (^_^)
Ironically while Limbo was always my boi, my 2nd fav frame became Harrow as soon as Harrow was released. Limbo is my main, but anytime I want to switch it up I go Harrow
@@mukakruda8474 If I didn't feel like I was being unappreciated, I'd still be a Limbo main.
@@mukakruda8474 same
It's so weird that one of, if not the definitively most difficult Warframe is available so early. You get his quest on Mars if I remember right, and he's such a crazy character that it's difficult to get a grasp on how to use him without watching a guide so a lot of players are gonna see him, try him out and then get confused as they wonder "What the hell am I supposed to do with this?" Personally I wrote him off as a gimmick from some old event and just got him to 30 before selling him. I honestly wish he was available a bit later (maybe swap him out for Titania or something since his unlock is through a Archwing mission and Titania is the Archwing Warframe or whatever) so that if someone does unlock him, they're more familiar with the game, and probably more willing to look up a guide to his kit.
Limbo was very misunderstood. Every UA-camr I saw tried to make him a damage frame or single-area cc.
Same thing happened to Grendel. Now with his rework, the strategies that made him good don't work because he's not draining energy like a madman anymore, which was the core of his play style despite everyone saying he's bad because of it.
This was my favourite episode thus far in your series.
Keep up the amazing work and research.
only played limbo after i unlocked him it was always funny how much party's would talk smack about how useless you are until the missions got spicy and they found out you weren't trolling but carrying there butt.
I think the tenno that is limbo is actually a tenno that made an altered deal with the man in the wall as he can enter and leave the void while in Warframe and control everything in his own domain of the void, this is really interesting as the rest control gravity, time or elements etc
One thing I remember from the raids is those batteries that drain you shields, Limbo has a decently large shield
I love this documentary videos and today was the Rift Boi's turn. Nice job my friend!
I've playing Limbo for a while and after the eximus rework I was kinda dissapointed, but with this I am once again motivated to play with the one and only Rift Walker
In old limbo's defense, he was a very safe frame to play if you took it slowly and methodically. Single out enemies one at a time, pulling them into the rigt and killing them. Not how the game was meant to be played, but it was hard to mess up and die.
Limbo has always been and continues to be my number one favorite frame 49.8% play rate. I remember the old contagion days I remember the old open world days. Thank you for this fun reminder of all the fun I've had with him
Limbo was the reason I got into and stuck with Warframe back in 2018. His rift giving energy regen and creating a safe space where enemies couldn't hurt you made him super forgiving for me as a new player. He was my first prime, too, and he still ranks as my most played frame even after getting bangers like Saryn Prime and Nezha Prime.
little thing that most people don't know, operators ignore the rift, so for example, in spy missions you can leave the cataclysm active and use operator to hack doors/consoles
Yep. I will say that this is a double edged sword tho because it also means that operators have virtually no way of damaging enemies in the rift.
Limbo is my entire game play style across just about any shooter I've touched. He's just so utilitarian and flexible. As soon as they launched him I was hooked, and his rework made him even better. Though, I do very much miss the Za Warudo of freezing my own bullets for a barrage upon release, it made those headshot riven unlocks so much easier. Wish they'd bring that back as an augment.
On the note of the raid, limbo does not see a lot of usin that no, but he was extremely useful against the final stage of the boss versus the orbital bombardment spam. The few times that I was able to get in there, because too many people would leave if we weren't getting through fast enough, I was able to keep everybody on their feet every time they went down because the orbital bombardment was useless against limbo when he's in the rift. I just hid in the rift and kept picking everybody up lol.
Also, you skipped over another use for Cataclysm - when combined with Stasis, it's great for dealing damage to enemies continuously. Enemies that cross the planes take Blast damage, every time they change plane. This is also an often overlooked aspect of Cataclysm. Because it continues to shrink, enemies that touch it are damaged and frozen with Stasis, but it pulls back from them and frees them with another damage proc, so they walk forward into it, take damage and freeze again. It repeats as long as they keep walking forward and as long as Stasis is active, so they basically damage themselves against the border of the planes. I use this a lot when helping lower level friends clear their system map. I love watching them headbutt the Rift. "Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
Excited to watch! With this video you’ve covered all three of my favorite frames so I’m interested to see what you say about Limbo.
I've been pretty actively playing Limbo since the start and you made a really nice up to date guide. And it's currently so SO much better and dynamic to use than in the beginning. But not for all, as you said. When I take a while with other frames, I need a bit of adjusting when I return to using Limbo. The mindset is that much different. And I've given up using him in public groups. You need an understanding of Limbo, and preferably the playstyle of the player playing it themselves to comfortably play alongside them. Being aware is also damn important as I've lost count how many times I've thought I was in one plane only to be in the other and either getting one-shotted or having a moment of bewilderment when things don't work like they're supposed to in my mind. 😆 Having kids, Limbo is one of the better frames for open world as I can mostly just jump into the rift and go afk if the kids need my attention; though with Orb Vallis needing a bit more foresight.
Hopping back into Warframe after months of not playing. Currently Gauss main, but I'm looking to play some Limbo. Thanks for the helpful information on how to use him. The equating of the rift as a status effect does wonders to help understand Limbo's mechanics.
Seeing a video giving Limbo his due respect is so gratifying. Thankfully my friends acknowledge the strength and flexibility of Limbo, as well as understand how to play alongside him. A small thing to note for Limbo and Spy - utilizing Perspicacity and Untraceable allows you to not even have to worry about cameras, lasers, or hacking. It's so braindead compared to even Wukong. Funny enough he's my favorite "stealth" Frame because of this. :)
Really looking forward to going through this video. Limbo is one of my favorites. Minor thing btw, with the timestamps - if you put the timestamps on the left and description of the timestamp on the right (reversing them), that'll create the clickable chapters in the video itself.
You just made me fall in love with a Warframe I never thought I would expect.
This is amazing, awesome dedication- subscribed in a matter of minutes.
Honestly this is an amazing video and sums up Limbo really well. As someone that loves Limbo I found myself nodding along.
Only thing that was really missed is that some enemies not even Eximus do completely screw over Limbo. They are rare but they do exist. Such as the Hyena's in Orb Valis they are immune to Stasis due to being classed as "boss units" and their attacks are classed as abilities meaning they can hit you even when you can't hit them.
To add to this, when rift walk was an option, you used to be able to go to the rift with it, charge any bow, then tap it off to fire and immediately recast. This allowed limbo to feel amazing with bow options.
This only got better when his passive eventually included increased reload speed in the rift.
Despite being a limbo main for years I didn't know about the hold to unbanish stealth change meaning I never learned to use rift surge properly.
I like limbo and mostly play him, but I never fully understood rift surge, so that is gonna make playing him so much more sustainable than it used to be, thanks so much!
He's also one of the best nuke frames in the game with a good build because you can just spam clap your hands (cataclysm) and it just shreds everything at a fucking HUGE range with no regards for LoS, walls, or anything else.
This video really wants me to buy Limbo Prime since I leveled base up on defense and then just fed him to the Helminth without much thought, fantastic video
Bro learn Limbo, I've been a Limbo main since I got him. He's so rewarding to play and it's fun to look down on everyone because they don't understand you💀💀
Man, that explanation of his 3... I had zero idea how it actually worked. Great work man, you have a sub.
PS: could time stamps be put within the video to come back to your ability's explanation ? Cuz you really doing a great job at it.
There is more to it than what he explained. Like the effect of banish is to send enemies to the opposite plane that the limbo and the enemy are in, so that means that if you and the enemy are in the rift, you can banish the enemies to the normal plane. That also means that if you cast rift torrent on an enemy that is in the rift and then banish that enemy, the surge will trigger, banishing the enemy itself and everything around it. That also means thay if you use cataclysm to put everyone in the rift, then cast rift surge and then disable cataclysm, all the surged enemies will trigger the surge and thus you have a banish that covers more than the area of the cataclysm. This can be used to have a cataclysm-sized rift area that is not affected by nullifiers (unless they touch the rifted enemies)
Brother. You have opened my eyes. I now have a mission for myself: understanding the tophat man.
Your videos are so GOOD and full of charm. They get my attention on a snap. Keep it up.
Limbo was used in the Law of retribution, specifically the button section.
Being able to banish a teammate, catalyst/stasis one side, and then still stand on a button of your own was huge.
Operators kinda stole his thunder, but hey- CC frames were goated for LoR
Now this is quality entertainment. Hopefully it helps more people understand the fancy hat man. I just want people to not leave a mission simply because I brought Limbo out.
Couldn't have done it without you! Thank you for the insights Bryan!
Oh I understand Limbo perfectly. I know what he does, and I know what he's capable of. And I'd still leave if I see a Limbo in a party, even if they're LR+
@@nicoinformatics A good Limbo can solo most content. I only bring him when I can make the objective based missions easier. Because sometimes there is the poor Mr9 on Steel Path without any Arcanes yet, and they don't want to feel hard carried, so I just play defense and let them do what they do.
Exactly, a good limbo can solo. So just play solo. There's no misunderstanding, the people who leave are the ones who understand what he does.
Great video, one part about the Cataclysm bomb buff at the time was it was not implemented on consoles until weeks after it was deployed on PC, and the playerbase got so used to it that Akkad Eris affinity farming wasn't just popular with Limbo, it was the meta to run 2/3/4 Limbo's with max range to see who could wipe the round the fastest.
I personally have Breach Surge on him: the blind is good CC and the orbs can damage enemies across planes. Overguard isn't as much of a buildbreaking issue if i use Phenmor, Laetum or Felarx.
Try Pillage it's stripping defenses on mass is fun.
Funny how you didn't talk about the negative duration/high range build for Bimbo! With neg duration and high range, you only cast Rift Surge from time to time and the enemies auto-Rift each other. With enough neg duration you don't even need stasis any more since they drop to the ground all the time. So it frees a slot for a subsume. A very specific (and very old) build, but works wonders to this day.
Throw in some high strength and now you've got an excellent rift torrent build.
Limbo was my first frame. I bought him with my starter plat cause he was the only one I could afford besides the starters and Loki. Carried me till sp and my fist lvl cap
Finally, my favorite top hatter!
Limbo was the first Warframe tha MR 5 me REAAAAALLY wanted (so much so I wasn't even deterred by the quest being glitched for YEARS, meaning I got him thanks to DE basically giving me part BPs in hopes that crafting them would fix the quest... I just rushed him and got the quest stuck. lol).
Hell, Limbo Prime was my very first Prime overall - MAN do I love his top hat style!
And obviously, I saw him first in a video showing him stop a bunch of throwing knives... yeah. The JoJo reference was also part of his charm. Either way, thanks for showing him some love, since nowadays he's nostly my "social" frame. Kinda like a fancy suit for when I go to hubs. Poor lad...
Limbo and Loki used to be my main frames for riven challenges, they made so many challenges easier. I haven't seen the new Riven Challenges yet though.
I'm stunned at how much research you put into this, you did my boy justice. I hope you'll do (maybe not AS much) research like this for when you cover Oberon, as he's another one I feel gets a bad rep because he's good for non-standard reasons at non-standard tasks (i.e, can defend a steel path objective solo for 50 waves and never have Renewal canceled outside of Violence's silence), but it's understandable if you don't. Either way looking forward to the next video 👍
I agree as someone who is returning to playing limbo and understands him he gets far too much hate and way too overlooked (and it comes down to people's misunderstanding of the rift and link between the rift and limbo or people's continuous belief which is buried in the past and people need to realize that limbo that used to troll that version of limbo doesn't exist anymore if not barely exists or and this is just a theory jealousy of limbo being 99% unkillable bc of how the rift hows) those haters can say what they want until they try limbo out for themselves they'll never realize that belief of limbo being a troll is a dead belief and how childish they've been to hate on something which is actually god tier (in terms of a tier list a beginner limbo would be a C+ but an experienced/advanced limbo player is actually an A+)
@@Minecraftassassin-re6og For real. Literally all the squad needs to do is roll out of it if they don't want to be in the rift these days. Only "issue" left for Limbo these days is he doesn
t kill as fast as the top tier frames
@@Minecraftassassin-re6og That's the thing though, people don't need to do anything. If they wanna hate us for playing Limbo, linking a video is not gonna make them magically unbiased and open to Limbo as a frame.
This video is very much for those that were either neutral and unbiased to begin with or loved him already.
The moment you revealed the actual use of rift surge, I had a "Holy Shit" moment. It feels like pandora's box has finally been opened. How soon can we expecg the time lords to take over warframe?
YES. This is how I started playing Limbo. I stopped playing back in 2018 at mars I think, and came back in the august 2022, and limbo looked really cool and I wanted to try him out. I had no idea that he's considered bad, he was ok for me, even though I had no mods. Now I got limbo prime (I can't use regular limbo anymore, prime looks incredible) and most of the mods and he's so good, eximus changes don't feel like as threatening as everyone said, besides you. Nova, you are the one who should finally raise awareness and popularity of limbo, thank you for this video
You see, I was about to post send a bunch of stuff in this comment, but this video basically resumes my 6 years in Warframe as a Limbo main.
It's good to see all of the points bought up. I may love the frame but I do agree on all of the negative points. Not a perfect frame, but a very damn good one.
Thanks for the video, it made my day and I don't know about any other video that explain him in this high of detail and care that you did.
Builds and history... The whole video I was like: "OH MY GOD, YES! Fuck that Deimos launch!" "Finally! Someone got how busted Rift Surge is!".
Was a blast to see you enjoying the frame this much. This will be a video that I'll rewatch a bunch just for the joy of it!
I’ve been playing a very basic rescue/arbitration defense build, Banishing the target and protecting them with Silence, but this is a really good guide that makes me want to stop treating him like a one-trick pony.
Honestly i actually used him as a CC shield tank, he can be very comfortable with that using Hydryn's subsume, wich make kinda negates his inate squishness while giving him armor and shield strip, now you add it with rift walker and you kinda get an frame that do all.
I find two changes that would help Limbo today: 1. Bring back the old stasis duration; 2. Let players in the rift damage the overguard of eximus halfway banished into the rift.
Rift Surge could also be buffed to also reduce enemy defenses like Xaku's Gaze as standard kit.
very helpful i learned about somethings i didnt know about limbo... lmao when you said your mind was blown mine was too with that info ...imma start testing out how good i can get with that.
My only issue with limbo is visual clarity of enemies in the rift. Otherwise i like using limbo
@Dino Addiction I mean they should just be made more obvious. Like make rifted enemies much less saturated or so rather than just a swirl based on your energy colour, which is agony for people like me, who prefer darker energy colours
I dont play Limbo at all (prob. last time was as a boxbreaker before Xaku), but I always found it hilarious how people could twist their brain so much instead of just playing around their teammates mechanics. I mean years ago when Stasis stopped everything I get how that was kinda annoying, but with his new kit? This frame is doing complex mathematical equations to "ZA WARUDO" the whole map for you, yet you cannot grasp the idea of a wall that cant be shot through? My brother in christ, sounds like a you problem 🤣
Pressing even a single ability on Limbo actively slows down the mission, meaning you are griefing your team.
"play around their teammate's mechanics" That's just pure fucking selfish behavior right there. This is PRECISELY why Limbo is hated. "Play how I WANT you to play right now or deal NO damage!" Or, how about Limbo stops hindering the entire fucking team?! No other warframe has such grievances because they either don't affect teammates, or they enhance teammates. Limbo just fucks with everyone for no good reason.
Ignore the ignorant trolls that don't actually know how to play limbo.
Great guide, thanks. I dont use limbo as much since eximus rework. He was my go to frame for non corpus mobile defense/ interception, and spy. Just getting dailies out of the way like sorties. That boosted him up to second most used frame.
My biggest takeaway from this vid was the (undocumented) banish release on hold. My helminth was autohack/locate on 3 so i should try rift surge when i pick him up again.
Also i thought that overguard enabled eximus to attack me in the rift but you mentioned it was actually just the auras. 😅
Your success is well deserved. It was due to your videos that I got back into this amazing game.
Correction, he's the most DAPPER warframe
This is similar to grendel before rework. If you actually played him he was actually very strong. You just needed to sustain the energy and with archon shard (energy orb efficiency) would have been even easier.
Old Grendel was clunky and hid energy management was impossible due to scaling per second energy increase , embers needs it re,over too as a note , Grendel got so much out his rework like damn
Thank you for the spoiler free video :) I’ve been waiting to play it until I have more free time
One of my favorite combos with Limbo was my cousin using Revanant. You can banish/juggle the thralls in and out of the rift, and they divert fire so effectively
As someone who really enjoys playing Limbo, i'm glad to see a video like this, i tend not to use it much bc i usually play public.
Also, although a very meme build, Limbo can deal damage to enemies im both planes by using Revenant's Reave, if you can group enemies and quickly apply viral, then you can usually kill enemies with 1-3 Reaves
More Limbo tips and tricks. The Operator is always in the material plane. So if a terminal or datamass is in your Cataclysm you can use Operator to interact with it. I find being really good with operator helps with some short comings of Limbo's kit. Also if you are going to use your Operator to revive, drop your cataclysm and unbanish anything as your Operator has no way of attacking into the rift.
I subscribed the moment you said you got a whole nother limbo just to show off the negative range build, a feat deserving of recognition
a good use of banish(1) is some high level missions is to cast 4>2>3>1 then spam 1 over and over while they are in cataclysm(4) to repeatedly do max hp dmg to a group of enemies, while also spreading the banish due to rift surge(3) as you are technically sending them outside of the rift thanks to banish. ive used this as sort of a quick and dirty way to get the 3 chain started
Limbo is great
As a Limbo main, thank you for taking the effort to "set the record straight" as it were. I even learned some things and got a few ideas for new builds for him.
Since I almost exclusively play solo it's obvious why he'd be my main, he's literally a god of his own plane of existence and forces the enemies to play by HIS rules. He's definitely a nuanced frame, easy to understand his abilities but difficult to master the synergy of them, especially to be viable late game, and it's nice to see some appreciation for the gentleman, it's really sad to see him still getting hate all these years later, especially for outdated reasons, so videos like these a breath of fresh air.
Hi ! Nice video ! It is nice to see someone show the versatility of Limbo.
I have a question: have you done an Equinox video ? I am learning to main her and I find her really difficult to use correctly and use all of her kit smartly. Would you be interested in an Equinox video in the future ?
This video's been invaluable in what I'm hoping is my perfection of Limbo. I just keep coming back to it.
I would rather see limbo than a volt or wisp
What's the problem with wisp? Volt i may understand but wisp is very usefull
@@biggreen8025 I hate getting speed boosted in warframe, since it messes up my aim and tempo
@@ailonrouge if only I had one dollar for every time I hit my face on a wall thanks to a sudden speed boost
Limbo haters are just lazy, there i said it.
I am not much a limbo fan… but I remember the rework because of Azima and carrier…. Cast, spam Azima disks then watch the world vaporize with infinite bullets and lag! Lol I miss those days.
Still great video! As per usual your video is a wonderful blast from the past for this old vet!
I was so looking forward to this video cause Limbo has been my main ever since I grinded to unlock him and I haven't looked back. By far one of my favorite warframes. He's great for solo play, which I usually end up in when my friends aren't online. His kit is fun and interesting. There is just something inherently enjoyable about the way Limbo plays. Even though I'm not 'the best' with Limbo yet, the learning and experimentation has been a lot of fun throughout the patches. I personally haven't touched warframe in a long time, but finding your videos and getting a deeper understanding of all the warframes you've reviewed I get the itch to play again.
The big Limbo rework had me fall in love with the frame. My squad was still in the "I hate Limbo" train, but I remember them telling me "You're one of the good ones". That sure was a time.
I'm so happy for this video. Limbo was my 3rd ever frame that i tried, and was my favorite frame for quite a while. Also, i'm kind of upset that i never realized on my own the way that you suggested to play him in this video, i came close, but this changes a lot. Thank you so much for this. Also, i unfortunately know some people that are un-educated on limbo, and hate him to the point of not wanting him in the game, and that makes this video doubly helpful in my eyes, as it allows people who don't know truly how he works to understand and stop hating him just for existing.
TL;DR Thank you for this video, i love it!
A good all around star chart setup for limbo would be to replace his rift surge with breach surge as it allows you to essentially do the same thing with less steps, confusion, and without needing the surge augment while being more team friendly and giving you more leeway to come out of the rift since enemies including eximus units are blinded by that ability.
Also in steel path (including duviri). Just dash into rift, spam breach surge and you and your team can eat. Also using shade as his sentinel and vazarin focus school for more survivability suits him really well. He’s my 3rd most used frame behind Nyx (my 1st ever frame I built when I was a noob) and loki (invis and stealth Gas triple dip bug back in the day).
@NovaUmbral you’ve made me want to learn and play Limbo, which is the highest praise I can give a video like this. Thank you.
Ya know... The sentence that blew my mind: "Cataclysm can be used to lockdown hotspots."
It now makes sense why Cataclysm isn't cast on player.
Scarlett Spear is something il indefinitely remember forever, every group was actively looking for Limbos(i was one of em lmao) and i remember just clapping ass during it, thats the first time in a while i used him at the time. Limbos also held the High duration, low range Cata build.
This video was awesome. Thanks to the information, I'll be able to use Limbo right (I'm building him right now). :D
32:53 testing the build out on a different limbo. That’s big brain
I watched Triburos' Limbo guide back in the day and it made Limbo one of my absolute favorite frames. I haven't played him recently since I came back to the game. I feel like I should probably revisit him and try to de-rust as I was a pretty decent Limbo player.
I remember I played Limbo a ton a while back, I think it was just when he was first revisited but I eventually stopped. I just remembered Limbo recently and I was wandering if he was good still. Jesus Christ. He looks so fun to play and the Limbo Rift Surge techs look so cool. I can't believe I've never heard of this before, Great Video ☺
When I first started warframe after it came out on switch, I did the limbo mission, built him, and used him, and realized what a pain in the rear his rift was for not only me, but others, thanks to that damn item collecting. Seriously, i'd like to know what dummkopf at DE thought that was a smart idea? Needless to say, once I mastered him, I put him on the shelf and haven't touched him since. And like you said, I got a stigma against him thanks to other limbo players trolling with the rift. Hell, I wasn't even aware he got a full on rework for a while because I tried to avoid him that much.
God, this takes me back. Limbo was my second ever Warframe obtained, and before Harrow came into existence, I was a Limbo main. Jumping between Mag and Limbo constantly during the era when Stasis use to do some wildly broken things like freezing every projectile in place (the projectile freeze still exists nowadays, but only for Eximus Units). I fondly remember those times getting the highest amount of fire rate with some average guns, and blasting into one target until either Cataclysm pops or Stasis is deactivated (At the time in the past, it triggers both since Stasis holds only so many projectiles at the time)
Limbo is still a bunch of fun to this day, and thanks to Helminth, he got a pretty flexible kit to use properly while maintaining a super high Skill Ceiling
Just came across your channel for the 1st time and would love to see a video on Loki, or if there's not enough content around to find (really hard given he's one of the original frames...), at least then a video on his augment Safeguard Switch which got a huge buff in Update 32 and only a few people seemed to have noticed.
Loki will be probably in June, given his past history with how dominant he was in almost everything, it would definitely be a 1hr video
@@NovaUmbral To help with your research, please check out my Safeguard Switch PSA on the forums. The wiki is severely lacking on the buff details
I thought I understood our resident Gentleman Bastard, Limbo. I have used him for many a mission, and he has had a dedicated slot since I first built him.
I learned new tricks from this video. Truly, excellent work.
I really, truly appreciate this video. I'm more of a casual(yet longtime) player of the game and as soon as I saw Top Hat Man, I had to main him. However, as you pointed out, he is at his best when playing solo, which I usually do not do for extended periods of time. For a good while, I've been using him at an intermediate level: i.e. knowing a good chunk about how his skills/passive interact, fiddling with hoe bonkers Rift Surge really is, etc. But I did not know you could hold his Banish to do that interaction with Rift Surge. Time to go even deeper into the rift with this fine gent~
Okay yep im subbed. Its weird because I knew Cataclysm wasnt the only way to use him, but the demonstration of Cataclysm being a gate into the Rift rather than the Rift itself... I need to play Limbo more. I always loved him, but felt bad cause i never felt like I was using him right.