You Need to FOLD POCKET KINGS PREFLOP in this ONE SITUATION
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Let's face it, folding pocket kings preflop is really hard. In fact, 99.72% of the time you should never do it!
But there is always that ONE exception in poker. That ONE time where it really is correct to fold your pocket kings preflop.
And in this video I am going to show you when that is.
Here is the only situation in poker where it actually is correct to fold your pocket kings preflop.
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Thinking about Villain8, with pocket aces, I like to mini4bet (x2) to get more money from AA. I like much more this line of action in 3waypot, specially when Hero is rolling a fish (It's not this case), because We can get the fish on the hand and many many times, the hero too. If the fish hit a pair in flop We have good news to get all his money.
I dont think anyone's folding KK preflop regardless of what limit they're playing. Be it nl2 or nl5000. The money is definitely going in preflop and sometimes we do run into AA which is fine. Sigh and move on.
True words and hard to argue with!
Yeah. I found one occasion where I did. I had over 2000 hands on a player in my HUD and he had a 2% RFI and 1% 3bet and he 4bet me. I decided I wasn’t giving that Nit my stack and folded.
@@BlackRain79Poker Long term it may help you not folding poket kings
Bro if the guy you're facing never raises and suddenly cold 4 bet jams preflop like in this situation you have to be a moron to call
Yeah folding KKs preflop is -EV long term since you're ahead 96% of the time.
Yesterday got 2 x times KK vs AA. I have admit i had some kind of a gut feeling that i might be behind but still its very hard to make that call. On the other hand you think he might be doing this just with AK or QQ. ( poker tracker not installed yet). But i also got once AA vs KK, so i guess it aint that bad.
PT will definitely help with reads in spots like this.
Had the same, player slow played them and proper sucked me in 🙄
I would of called a decent raise to setmine like Mike Postle would have. Thanks for the review Nathan!
Haha, I think that is definitely what the GOD Mike Postle would be looking to do here. Thanks for sending me this hand Mike!
@@BlackRain79Poker I'd like to send you some of my hands as I am now crushing because of your videos. However I do still make some fishy mistakes I think.
Well, I mean, obviously you can make a case for a fold here, although it shouldn't have a big impact on WR, if you're right, and it can get pretty ugly if you're wrong.
I don't play FR, but in 6-max I follow a pretty simple rule of "not folding KK preflop versus fish", because there's just no guarantee (especially at NL2) that the fish does this only with AA (and there's no HUD where I'm playing, so less information is available overall).
Instead I remember folding KK twice in the same spot: MP opens, nit in HJ 3-bets, nit in CO 4-bets. Both times CO had AA, HJ - KK&AA.
Thanks Nathan! I appreciate this content a lot.
Glad it helps and thanks for watching Playy!
Let's face it, being up against a girl in NL2 is really hard. In fact, 99.72% of the time you should never assume it!
I agree with folding against this particular player, because we have such a big sample on him, and it really does look like, the only hand, he ever raise preflop, is AA. Pretty insane way to play poker, but hey its 2NL LOL.
I folded kk from big blind first hand of a $550 buy in. Utg raised and I reraised big then folded face up to his all in. He showed aa.
Never folding KK for 8 quarters
Hey Nathan, I have to mention that sometimes we shouldn't take a hand like this or any other hand at face value alone and by stats alone. By that I mean, is the Hero being playing too aggressively? Did Villain 8 just got tired of his aggressiveness and decided to shove? Has Villain just received a bad beat, lost his stack or is on tilt? Things like that should be taken into consideration, especially in a hand like this. Obviously, if Villain 8 shoved, then 2 or more players shoved behind, then I think the possibility of Aces would be much higher than in this spot. Thanks for the videos.
Do these % go up marginally in zoom or are they the same?
Nice Nathan but I am missing your videos a lot. A personal experience I had at 2 NL in the past three months: I shoved or called a shove preflop with KK 18 times accordingly to HM2 stats. 18 times it was Pocket Aces. On the Contrary, when I shoved or called a shove preflop with AA, I only found KK twice. Quite a difference.
As Nathan says, sometimes the player is a fish or a whale with VPIP over 30%, but this same fish or whale has, for instance 10% preflop raise and 5% 3bet PF: This is is TIGHT with its raises. One interesting stuff is that usually those whales have Aggression Factor under 3, and sometimes under 1!
I can send for you guys some players that I have 2 or 3 thousands hands played with the HUD and sometimes is unbelievable:
after 2K hands you see these stats: VPIP 45% PFR 3% AF 0,7 3bet PF 2%, CBET FLOP 80% or higher, FOLD to CBET FLOP 15% or less, CBET TURN 75%, FOLD to CBET TURN 0% and so on!
After playing these amount of hands with a whale like that and I open AKo and got a 3bet from him/her I am folding 90% because sometimes these lady/gentleman whale make a 3bet size in the shape of a 5bet: some guys 3bet x15 BB, x20 BB making it impossible to continue with a huge part of my range. These Whales also bluff NEVER, so when a guy with AF under 2 makes a bet or a raise I know he is not bluffing at all, and the same is valid for his Open Raises Preflop and his 3bet Preflop range: very narrow and strong.
I saw some guys check-behind full houses at the River, guys who are extremely passive so you don't know if the guy is slow playing his range or if he/she has the cold stone nuts, or whatever.
When you look the Open Raise by position for a Whale like that usually you will see that after 200 hands from UTG he opened 3!!!!
From the BTN after 1,2k of hands the guy raised 15 hands out of 1,2k!
I would have easily folded these Pocket Kings in the shoe's of our friend who send that hand.
Hey Nathan, I believe you must be aware of that, but just in case, there is an UA-cam channel named "Finding Equilibrium" where they make a bunch of serious analysis of postflop hands either GTO or exploitative game. I find it very useful.
Thanks a lot
Regards;
PS: waiting for another great video!
Thanks Henrique, I am going to try and start making videos more often! Unfortunately the blog takes up a lot of my time or I would put out way more.
@@BlackRain79Poker Thanks professor!
Can you do a deeper stacked hand Analysis when a player is put to the test with pocket Kings pre. What is the stack depth where you should fold pocket Kings pre
I have done a few deep stacked hands in the past but this is a good idea. I will keep it in mind for future videos.
Where do you find those stats. . .I'm interested
If youre facing 4 old man who all folded their last 100 hands preflop, and suddenly they all jam into you, wouldn't you fold kings?
I know what you’re saying. But this Tuesday I got KKs a number of times in a single night. 5 times...in a row they had AAs. I lost 7 buy-ins that night. Ugh
Same happened to me, on top of which I got set over setted with JJ vs QQ. 11 buy-in loss, my worst ever session. But hey ho, that's poker
Great video Nathan. I have one question in these limits.. Should we cash out when we are winning or losing?
Set yourself a loss limit, at which you will quit, of two or three buy-ins, and a win target, usually one to 10 buy-ins or quit when your stack gets so large that you start to feel fearful of making the right call, if someone else has a medium/large stack and is playing hyper aggressive or ultra tight. If somebody suddenly appears at the table with a large stack quit immediately.
Play based upon time. Play for say 2 hours, win or lose.
How did you get the odds for what there Hand could be odds wise
I mostly hate the idea of folding kk preflop. That being said, with that sample size and 3 bet stat, I assume he flatted here with QQ and AK, and that this is never a bluff because hes the most passive player ever. I think we have to hate life and fold.
And PFR is read as zero (
i once fold kings preflop - i was playing 10nl 6max on BWIN/ we all start with 100bb stacks/no HUDS-just brain and logic
i open EP3bb-MP 3bet to 9bb , BB 4bet to 25bb, i call 25BB, MP 5bet shoves and BB calls the shove- i fold. MP has AA and BB has KK. The 2 players are nit bitches ,i forget to say they are never doing this with JJ or QQ or AK - they always have AA/KK-its not even funny , that was the only time i fold KK preflop for 100bb in my life and i was correct-- pretty insane :)
Nits gonna nit!
The guy had JJ
I stopped taking this video seriously the moment he said it was 2NL and the video was titled when to fold pocket kings preflop. This video is doing far more harm than good with players mis-applying the information and folding kings in spots they shouldn't.
If a call all-in (25 11 2) with KK it's ok?
I was playing a tourney yesterday and we were down to 20 players, I had over 40,000 in chips and other guy had over 50,000, 9 handed, blinds were 1500 - 1500- 500, I raised to 7000, table folds around to guy on the other side of the table jams, I snapped called figuring he didn’t have aces or if he did I would just take my chances, guy ended up having Ace King off suite, ended up hitting a ace on the flop, should I have considered that even if he had any Ace hand in general not taking my chances or should I jam either way it goes, after that I have some worry about kings now, usually I do fairly well with them, just at a loss lol. I usually consider if I get coolered it’s fair enough, just frustrating
Yesterday I went all in pre flop 4 times with KK in hand. All times I had one caller. (AJ, 66, AQ, JJ). I lost all 4 times. No need to explain how, you can imagine the sets and three of kind or 2pair in turns and rivers.. I lost big amounts of sum and even though playing proper poker for long time now this hit my bankroll so bad that I’m in loss.. now you explain that to me. It’s about fckn luck ok!! No matter how good you play if you are unlucky all the time the odds are against you and in the long run you lose. Stop acting pro all of ya.
If you have a good bankroll management and is only a 100 big blinds. I don’t think we should be folding KK pre flop, doesn’t matter how nit he is... and if we are at NL2 we have to understand that we are still learning. No need to try put enemy on aces only range. Needing a hundred dollar hud to play NL2? Sir, we have a problem.
another couple spots you could potentially get away from KK pre.
first: a tight, positonally aware player UTG raises, a tight player also in early position 3 bets... and another tight player.... after witnessing this action, 4 bets!, and then action gets to you, and you have KK, and just assume that when i say tight, i mean they are the classic nitty player, and have very low 3 bet percentages and are essentially only doing so with premium ranges, though tbh tags might also be someone you fold to here if they aren't the type to 4 bet light sometimes. ....
second, early position, a tighter players, raises, you 3 bet them, and then another rocky player with a very low 3 bet percentage 4 bets, and the initial tight player reshoves. sort of a variation on this video's situation tbh with an additional player involved.
you gotta ask yourself... what could they have? Are they really doing all this action with ace king or queens or whatnot? maybe.... but i think there's also an uncomfortably high amount of the time at least one of them has aces. ANd while it's never a fun time folding KK preflop, when you face that amount of action vs some player types, i think at least one of them will have the dreaded aces way too often and you can jut sigh and fold.