Famous Skeptic Tries to Disprove GOD (Brilliant Response!)
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Michael Shermer and Stephen Meyer debate the existence of God by engaging with the question, "Was the universe designed?". @MatthewVMitt joins the channel to help break down the debate. JOIN The Wisdom Society: www.dailydoseo...
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"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:28-30)
My favorite scripture of all time. Literally lifted all my burdens over night, Jesus is the light. Glory to him of the most high.
Lettsss gooww
Christ is king
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Most who profess "the Christ is King" _[the accurate way to state it (not "Christ is King") in the Kingdom of God/Jesus language that true John 3:1-21 qualifiers are commanded to communicate in by Him]_ are the same who the authentic austere Scriptural Jesus the Christ _[God]_ referred to in _[I'm only doing what the true austere Scriptural Jesus the Christ/the Christ Jesus commands as an elder John 3:1-21 qualified one]_ Matthew 7:13, 21-23, 13:14-15, 15:7-9, 19:16-19, 24:11, Revelation 3:15-16, 21:8, 22:15 and all parallel verses is what the authentic austere Scriptural Jesus the Christ _[God]_ has to declare about the so many who claim the Christ is King. i pray you get your road to Damascus conversion _[true John 3:1-21 qualified conversion which only a remnant of such exist every generation]_ before it's too late if ye are not yet for tomorrow is not promised and eternal perdition is a mighty eternal long time to wish with all you are that you made such different choices when you were on earth in the flesh so you would have never entered into the eternal incomprehensible, ineffable, infathomable, inimaginable misery, pain, suffering, torment, wailing and gnashing of teeth Lake of Fire where the worm dieth not and where the fires are never quenched. Selah.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 What does this have to do with anything.
@@kos-mos1127 HEY THERE YOU ARE AGAIN KOS-MOS IT'S BEEN A WHILE! Your question reveals naturally a chaos spirit is why you comprehend it not.
You realize Christ is not a name right? It is a job title for a priest or a king. Might as well say king is king and it would be just as retarded.
Christianity is fake. It stole pretty much everything from other earlier religions and the same way Islam did with small modifications.
The is no evidence of a global flood, there is no evidence that jesus as the son of god or Moses ever existed, and the resurrection was stolen from Julius Caesar's resurrection. No resurrection. Snakes and donkeys do not talk. Genesis is full of contradictions. Earth is not 6000 years old.
ALL THOSE ARE LIES. People now know and leaving the religion for what it is CULT.
In the beginning was The Word
No, the universe existed long before the earth formed from the sun's accretion disk.
Psalm 33:9 For He spoke and it came to be; He commanded and it stood firm
Genesis : ..and God SAID let there be light...
@@mirandahotspring4019 It's a spiritual statement dealing with immaterial reality, not matter based.
@@edk484 The Universe existed long before God.
@@kos-mos1127 Bro you're going around making fallacious statements. What are you even doing
SO grateful for Stephen Meyer.
Right?
He's a legend.
Been fighting this battle before I even knew there was one.
@@MultipleGrievance 👍👍
He is a gem for sure!
Dude I know. It’s crazy how much atheists hate him. Whenever I see a debate or anything with him in it it’s always filled with him being called an unintelligent liar
@@artax7664
Immediate adhoms are an indicator they are simply being emotional. They KNOW, Even if they don't understand the science, that he's on point. They're not capable of touching his argument, and so they just throw stones.
You know what’s cool? Shermer and Meyer consider each other friends and still have these discussions today.
Really? That is cool.
A good debate by two intelligent men, and as usual, another great vid!! GOD BLESS , ..in the vid and in the chat
I've watched a lot of Shermer and read some of his stuff--he does come across as a nice, civil person.
Creation will be answered to us all that belive, as we will see our Lord, and God Jesus Christ create all things new, I can't wait to see that as it will be beautiful and awesome.
ATHEISM and RELIGIONS bring the HUMILIATIONS, SUFFERINGS, and DEATHS of MANKIND
The GOD and Father of Jesus Christ KNOWS
that thousands of years and nothing has changed, just the same....
all
Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
trick and deceive their own families and neighbors to believe that the BIBLE is not the source of TRUTHS but just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
are still
the LIARS, merciless, cruel, rebellious, and deceitful persons on earth
who
are obviously unbothered, remorseless, and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, arrogance, hypocrisies, treacheries, cruelties, deceits, lies, and UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines about
"hellfire", "immortality of the souls", "afterlife", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
offend,
dishonor, insult, and degrade the lives and dignities of their own families and neighbors and cause their humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS.
Thousands of years and nothing has changed,.... loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
will still
be honored and rewarded with ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH
The GOD and Father of Jesus Christ KNOWS
that
loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ written in Matthew 28: 18
and obey his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely bring themselves honor and his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
and
all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can peacefully, happily, and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as earthly subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
If God wanted to do that, he'd already done it.
Revelation 21: Now I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth, for the first Heaven and Earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Revelation 21:8 all the unbelievers and sexually immoral and liars…etc, will have their place in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
Your statement reminds me of Matthew 18:3 "you must become like children" in your thinking to accept such naivety of ideas.
Such intelligence in design, how can people possibly think that this just happened without a Creator?
I am overwhelmed with the Majesty of my God and Creator. Wow!
Give me one example of intelligent design in nature.
Imagine then how well designed the creator must have been.
@@LordMathious Fractals, DNA in cells, the structure of the human body. You can't create life from non-life. Another reason why Jesus is called the Truth, the Way, and the Life.
@deprecated8036 Now explain why any of those things are evidence of intelligent design.
Obviously, life can be created from non-life. Life had to arise at some point. You believe that your god made life from non-life after all!
Bad start so far.
@@LordMathious If life can be created from non-life, so do it. You believe that YOUR god made life from non-life after all. We believe that OUR God made life.
Bring that friend along more often. He's a good speaker and we can all learn from him.
Thank you! 🙏🏻
I see he has a spunk-mop moustache too. Yikes!
Your guest today was wonderful.
@@MatthewVMittare you ethnically Jewish? I just noticed your last name.
Rebellion, they rebel against the overwhelming evidence of God, they are on their own.
Absolutely not. God is so absolutely irrelevant that it isn't a consideration. The fact that your myths arent compatible with observations of reality is your problem.
@@LordMathious Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are mocking and degrading Jesus Christ and his GOD and Father as worthless, useless, lower, lesser, and far inferior than them
and
unitedly act, speak, think, and believe too that they are greater, powerful, glorious, higher, and superior than all their co-human beings
will
naturally be offended and angered by the BIBLICAL TRUTHS that -
1. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely bring honor and GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4.
to
loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18.
2. All human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20
but
GOD KNOWS
that
he will not let all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the right proper time,
he will let his Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can peacefully, happily, and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as earthly subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@LordMathious How Just when life needed lungs not died due to lack of lungs? God created the first lungs.
@DaniAlbaracin Because lungs, like everything else, evolved slowly over time.
Lungs are literally just enlarged swim bladders. You would know this if you studied biology.
If god made the first lungs, then he's a bad designer because evolution had to sort out a lot of kinks in the design.
@@LordMathious How first life would evolve without any kind of reproduction? Have u compared reproduction with machines due to their complexities? Werent machines created? A tornado through a junk yard would create a Playstation 5? Zero chances. God created the first animals and etc
If it takes a greater force to create a lesser force, it takes an infinite force to create something out of nothing.
In the beginning… ✨
Thanks for this comment...never pondered it before
*"Only God creates, the rest of us just copy."* ~ Michelangelo
This is a logical fallacy. Lesser forces create greater forces all the time in nature.
Who says from nothing?
@@therick363 so how did everything begin?
There's this cool analogy by the oxford professor it goes something like "Why is the water boiling, one person answers 'Be ause the h20 molecules are gaining energy and thus change states from liquid to a gas' and another person says 'Because I want tea' is either of them wrong? No! The water is boiling because of the water molecules gaining energy, that's the process by which it is occuring, but the ladder is also true I am boiling the water because I want a glass of tea, that's the personal / purpose element."
You can elaborate from here into whatever talking point you want, example: "The same is true for the universe, we could say 'Gravity is the warping of space time' and I could say 'Gravity exists so that we don't float off into space' well we could find the answer to the former, but for the ladder we'd need to chat with the author 😂"
Best if you use this after the morality argument since you lay the foundations of purpose with that, what do I mean by that? Let me give an example, let's say I'm playing soccer/football (😂) and I kick the ball to the opposite team, how do we know I just messed up?
What's the difference between passing to my team and the other team, I'm still getting to kick either way?
It's because there's a purpose to the game, and because there's a purpose, we can now judge the actions taken in the game and judge whether they're right or wrong, but it's only because we know the purpose.
In life we could look at a kid get beat and we'd say "BAD!" but why is that? That's proof of purpose, how do you know that certain actions are wrong unless they violate the purpose for which said person or thing exists.
If i tie my bracelet around my waist it'd be wrong, of course not in the same way beating a child is wrong 😂
But it'd be wrong because it wasn't engineered to do such a thing, and it wouldn't work, take that how you will philosophers!
I also think many people don't want Christianity to be true because they don't want to know they will be held accountable for their actions. It is easier for them to not have to consider the consequences.
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That's why atheism is more of a heart problem
@@ndibunwapeter9013no it’s not
@@therick363 Yes it is
@@TheSwauzz
Good point.
It was timely when Dr. James Tour entered the debate about the origin of life and challenged his entire field about making claims they are the verge of creating life out of nothing.
Grant money is not something that should be spent on false advertising. It would be better to use on something that can help mankind in a practical sense like Dr. Tours team did with graphene.
The answer to a scientific atheist asking, "Why do I need God?" The answer is "Entropy"
In order to have progress and life, you need energy. It takes constant input of intentional energy for things, life, to be created. If you have a big bang (which WAS popular and accepted scientific thought fir over 50 years) you MIGHT get a bunch of roughly sphere-shaped rocks circling around bigger ones. But given time, it would fall into chaos. In this universe, things fall into chaos, not into order.
Love the dialogue!
Some of my favorite videos of yours are the ones where you interview students.
I want to do a lot more of that!
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Then when are you going to bring any atheist for the interview? Why are you afraid?
@@LGpi314 Bro... he has literally approached many atheists during welcome week at university and asked ANYONE to talk. One of my favorite conversations that I was referencing is between him and a hippie buddhist atheist guy about love and sacrifice.
I highly recommend you look it up (was maybe a year ago?) We could all use some more love.
@@LGpi314atheists are heard here all the time. When will you actually prove God is not? Oh…not falsifiable…?
@@richiejourney1840 there is no need to disprove something that has not been proven. Prove to me that unicorns and pixies do not exit 1st. You don't know the meaning of word goatheaders. Go learn it.
Awesome episode! Need to have more of these conversations again as a society.
Exactly, these atheists are rejecting God at all costs even though all the Evidence, logic, science, common sense, and facts point to God of the Bible. All we can do is pray that The Holy Spirit touches there heart.
Thanks for the video!
"Exactly, these atheists are rejecting God at all costs even though all the Evidence, logic, science, common sense, and facts point to God of the Bible. "
Which evidence? There is none
Logic? I've not seen any logic pointing to god except for the "What else could explain ...." fallacy.
Science does not deal with the supernatural, so you're making this up
Common sense.... an appologist using common sense... really?
Please enlighten me which facts point any god?
You have no clue what you're talking about.
No, lack of evidence, logic, and reason all point to no gods!
You know what it's like to reject a god. You happily reject Brahma, Vishnu, Krishna, and many other gods. I just reject one more than you.
@@mirandahotspring4019 uuh well done Ricky Gervais, phenomenal originality
And the true cost of rejecting God is that you have to reject reason. That explains so much. Over time they become increasingly irrational.
@@mirandahotspring4019
You're comment is all wrong.
Exactly, it is more of an hatred for God. God is the most loving and just, and God is very good, people are doing evil and blaming God for it.
Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are mocking and degrading Jesus Christ and his GOD and Father as worthless, useless, lower, lesser, and far inferior than them
and
unitedly act, speak, think, and believe too that they are greater, powerful, glorious, higher, and superior than all their co-human beings
will
naturally be offended and angered by the BIBLICAL TRUTHS that -
1. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely bring honor and GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4.
to
loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18.
2. All human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20
but
GOD KNOWS
that
he will not let all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the right proper time,
he will let his Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can peacefully, happily, and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as earthly subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
The god of the bible is monstrous.
@@nitsujism well you being able to write this down you should be greatful, because it is by His power you are able to see, write and live, you have nothing. He owns everything, if he decides that a Nation should be destroyed, he knows best.. And some people complain that he ordered the killing of little Children, the people that commit unspeakable acts today were once little children. It is only because of his goodness we can sleep and wake up and eat and enjoy any single thing, asside from Jehovah the uncreated God everything else is evil pure evil.
@@tuoyoedukugho1807Err, no, sorry. I think that's all fictional. Saying that the monster god in the Bible is loving is just extreme gas lighting.
@@nitsujismwho says a monster has no love?
Life is so complicated that I’m going to create an even more complicated being to explain it 🤷🏼♂️
The truth is this debate is very old and it is still ongoing, No one is actually going to convince the other side but the fact that we have the mental capacity to even comprehend this concept and argue about it answers the question itself. This whole existence is a supernatural phenomenon, and we are a supernatural phenomenon, for example, humans are the only “animal” that commits suicide, there is nothing natural about this and it has to be unnatural or supernatural, the list of examples goes on.
Also in nature, animals kill and sometimes eat their young, yet I don’t know any atheists who argue that we should live the same as animals when it comes to procreation.
Just kidding! The Godless seem to be on a mission to dehumanize our society by killing the unborn, controlling procreation by unnatural means, doctors helping people commit suicide for whatever reason they decide, and giving monstrous reasons as to why it’s perfectly moral to do so. Hell, some feel it’s our duty. As we can see from the Georgia guide stones. And the rhetoric we hear from the WEF and their followers.
@@lmm8960 Nobody argues what we should life like other animls. Sorry to burst your straw-man here. How about you try some actualarguments, in regards to the actual issues here?
The "godless" as I am one, ofter are humaninsts...i'd lke to see your argument how a humnistic approach to life, ends up "dehumanizing our society".
Abortion is not "killing the unborn" it's giveng Woman the control about their body...I guess that is wht you are against here.
"controlling procreation by unnatural means" is callled birth control and don't pretent that there are no good reasons for that. Again, this is none of your buisness.
Euthanasia is not "suicide for whatever reason they decide". Have you ever visisted a palliative care unit?
"and giving monstrous reasons as to why it’s perfectly moral to do so. " monstrous...sure buddy, sure.
All science is, is just taking the creators design and seeing how it works!
All of sciences is making an observation and coming up with a useful explanation that can be used in engineering.
@kos-mos1127 all sciences is taking God's creation and trying to figure out how it works
11:10 "just positing that some material thing is primary just..I don't know if I'm the only one, but it just does not compute."
Your not the only one. Precisely why God is not a man.
read the forbidden book Magnetic Aura on Borlest, and you'll see the secrets they're keeping from us.
Self Ego worship is Devil's worship. Come to Jesus Christ, The Way, The Life and The Truth
Well presented! It's a great and exciting time to be a Christian!❤❤❤
Christianity is dying out. Data does not lie. It has no bias.
The net change of religions due to religious conversion by Pew Research Center between 2010 and 2050.
Religion Switching in Switching out Net change
Religiously Unaffiliated 97,080,000 35,590,000 +61,490,000
Islam 12,620,000 9,400,000 +3,220,000
Folk religions 5,460,000 2,850,000 +2,610,000
Other religions 3,040,000 1,160,000 +1,880,000
Hinduism 260,000 250,000 +10,000
Judaism 320,000 630,000 -310,000
Buddhism 3,370,000 6,210,000 -2,850,000
Christianity 40,060,000 106,110,000 -66,050,000
You explain things in such a logical and clear way.
I'm so grateful to see brilliant thinkers that have the courage to advocate for intelligent design and a creator i.e. God. Men like Mr. Meyer are at the vanguard of this spiritual reawakening.
Also, this is a fantastic channel. It approaches the subject of God in a very sensible way. This (reason) is very appealing to many that would otherwise not give the subject consideration. It forces one to contemplate deep matters.
It approaches the subject of God from the perspective of someone who has never took a physics class beyond their freshman year of college.
@@kos-mos1127 Congratulations for your accomplishment. 🎉 Short of presenting something observable that ANY intelligent person could investigate judiciously is basically conceding the argument. Hurling insults and showcasing your own personal achievements, especially with the assumption that yours are superior, is a non argument. Why not present an argument and test your hand at defending it?
@@teagle1064 👍👍
@@kos-mos1127 "How is it that numbers are conceptual, the result of a mind, and yet they go beyond the human mind's capacity to fully understand (such as infinity) and predate the existence of the human mind? ***The answer is that numbers are not the product of a human mind, but rather the product of the mind of God."*** ~ Jason Lisle, Ph.D, Astrophysics, University of Colorado
@@kos-mos1127
“Never took a physics class”
Prove it? I’ll wait!! As Nietzsche wrote in "Beyond Good and Evil," “No one is such a liar as an indignant man.”
There is no HATRED and no conceit quite like left wing so called “LIBERAL” atheistic love for their fellow man!!
it needs intelligence to recognize intelligence
To believe that the irrational could produce the rational is a stretch of the imagination. Now rationality producing rationality makes complete sense. Not only does it make sense, but it's also what we observe.
@@kurtwinslow2670 "Evolution *is the great cosmologic myth of the twentieth century.*" Dr. Michael Denton, Molecular Biochemist, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 Evolution occurs around us every day. But evolution is incapable of being the mechanism for life's inception.
Evolution points to an intelligent designer that built within the creation the ability for creatures to be able to adapt to environmental changes.
@@kurtwinslow2670 Sigh... Dunning-Kruger Effect...
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 No it's more like rocks with thought, have anyone ever observed that?
Thanks for having me on the channel, Brandon! Looking forward to more. 🙌🏻
Yessir!!
Get on the John 3:1-21 Ark by the roads of Mark 1:15, 16:16, Luke 13:1-5, 24:47, Matthew 18:1-3, John 1:12, Acts 2:38, Romans 6:1-23, 10:9, Galatians 1:7-9, 1Corinthians 3:18-23 and parallel verses before it is too late - this day, because the door is closing and most will not escape the coming inescapable global flood of fire storm but a remnant and most so called true disciples of the authentic austere Scriptural Jesus the Christ _[God]_ clearly for now are exactly who the true Jesus referred to in Matthew 7:21-23 and parallel verses if you are not truly part of the John 3:1-21 qualified remnant. Selah.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 The door already closed 1988. Israel was reformed in 1948 and the generation that saw the rise of Israel would not pass away before the second coming. A generation is 40 years.
@@kos-mos1127 Eisegesis is the oxygen of the enemy of the authentic austere Scriptural God/Jesus the Christ.
I think it all boils down to “What can be… unburdened, by what has been..” AND “ I know you are but what am I?”
It's more about individuals accepting the evidence than the evidence itself. The evidence and God will exist independent of what we think and say, but all the evidence in the world won't matter to a person who simply refuses to accept it
That can go both ways yes?
@therick363 sure in a purely logical argument, but the truth is still the truth
@ 12:09 would Shermer also conclude his brain isn't well intelligently designed also?
heh.
They don't want to give an account to the creator!
A creator is made up.
@@kos-mos1127 I think that is on the bingo chart.
@@kos-mos1127all you have to do is prove that…
The first thing Shermer says in response includes the phrase "begs the question" which is a commonly used logical fallacy. "The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle."
But the premises of design don't presume the conclusion!😅
@@James-ll3jb Yes it does. The design argument presumes there is a designer but that is false. Design goes both bottom up and top down but Christians argue for only a top down approach.
@@kos-mos1127 No, that is incorrect. It amasses evidence for the hypothesis of intelligent design being the more/most likely explanation. It doesn't PRESUME the existence of God at all, at least not at the scientific, nonapologetic side of it.
Shermer's false ascription is motivated by his understandable fear the evidence for design is as good as the prima facie case for design makes it appear it is.
@@kos-mos1127 "Christians only argue for a top-down approach"
Because the argument is that eventually you come to the "prime-mover" or origin of all things. Grass doesn't make humans, and humans dont create micro-organisms. We all stem from the same source.
@@James-ll3jb "It amasses evidence for the hypothesis of intelligent design being the more/most likely explanation. ' Has it been peer-reviewed? Why does Meyer not publish anything?
Oh, Wait.
The scientific community rejects Stephen C. Meyer primarily because his support for Intelligent Design (ID) lacks empirical evidence, offers unfalsifiable claims, and misrepresents evolutionary theory. ID is viewed as a religiously motivated idea rather than a scientific theory, and Meyer's work has not been widely published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Additionally, legal rulings, like the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover case, have reinforced that ID is not considered science, further solidifying its rejection by mainstream scientists.
Shermer brought up steady state theory.
The refutation of the steady state model happened all the way back in 1964 ! Was he not aware of that?
The cosmic microwave background radiation dispels it completely.
I am encouraged to see the channel grow and continue to challenge Truth. I have watched many videos from this channel and Brandon you have really developed your understanding of God, in particular, your explanation of several concepts is clear and concise. Everyone wants to be viewed as rational and reasonable, but does not necessarily mean they are seeking or want to seek Truth. Emotions play a big factor why people reject Truth and God.
I agree with Meyer ! Designed by intelligence!
Everything design itself by defining its own nature.
Why does Meyer not publish anything in any scientific journals?
Meyer is a pseudo-scientist that the whole scientific community rejects.
This was 5 Minutes ago. I was down here in the comments looking for more😭
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. He has to pick his own path. When he dies it will be between him and God. 🤷♂️
Amen, arguably the most terrifying verse in the New Covenant.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 The verse is not terrifying.
a infinite regression is logically possible and the big bang doesn’t point to a beginning of existence
Fascinating!
I also worry that these people could pull you away from being focused on your faith and Heavenly Father. If they choose to be an enemy of Christ then that's Christ's battle and he will deal with that in the time comes. I don't think we should get so wrapped up with atheists or non-believers that we risk losing where our eyes should be pointed and what are priorities should be. Christ will deal with his enemies when the time comes.
All these Christians might prove is that it's possible the Universe was " created ". But they will never prove the creator was their God rather than any other superior force. So their " therefore it has to be our God" strategy never works.
Maybe the point is to offer atheists and non-believers another perspective which may lead some to come to faith in Christ as well.
Showing the universe was created is just the first, very big, hurdle. No other God candidate incarnated in human form, and proved himself with many miracles, death on the cross, and resurrection all documented thru multiple testimonies and forensics evidence. I don't believe any other alleged creator god has revealed themselves in any way. What reason is there to believe in a different God.
@@william3347 the fact that you lie about any evidence already makes me think of a different god
@@william3347 You seem to think the Bible is factual and scientifically sound. Testimonies ? From whom ? When ? Who told who ? Who wrote the Gospels and when ? What forensic evidences ? Who translated the scriptures ? And let me remind you that there are 8 billion humans on this planet.
Good people like you and me. 6 billion of them do have their own creators and your is considered to be false.
So be careful when you write comments like that one. You imply you are the only one to know the truth and everyone else is wrong or stupid to believe in their own faith. Faith is a personal choice and you have to stay humble.
Would be cool to hear Meyer commentating on this. In particular, to hear who his arguments have evolved and got even better over time.
Meyer's arguments have gotten worse.
Meyers , like all intelligent design advocates, never provide a mechanism, they simply tell us what they assume can’t happen, but fail to provide a mechanism for anything god has created ?
@@ObeytheroadrulesThe mechanism is literally magic. They have no clue about it at all.
lol at all the wee atheists in the comments section 😂
@@nitsujismin terms of “magic” your “mechanism” is magic itself. Who are you trying to kid? “Oh it came from nothing”. “Our magic dead goddess’s did it-oh by the way our dead gods never existed either…”. Yeah, go on about your “mechanism” originally proposed by Christian’s and proclaimed long ago in Judaism and orally prior to that…”LET THE EARTH BRING FORTH…etc.”. Your Abiogenesis is rehashed Babylonian mythology as well. Nothing new under the sun…you guys are so smart…
Tell me, where did the original concept of a god even come from since you can’t imagine or conceptualize anything from which you have no original basis to go on?
Prove to us your mythological religion.
***"Little science takes you away from God, but more of it takes you to Him."*** ~ Louis Pasteur, founder of Microbiology and Immunobiology
The opposite. But I know you can’t handle that
@@therick363 yh, take the word of a random person over a well known scientist?
Makes sense 👍
Even more science takes you away from God.
@@kos-mos1127 Then a lot more science takes you closer to him back.
@@ndibunwapeter9013 so you think a persons opinion makes facts for others? Seriously?
The opposite. The more science we learn the further away from all gods
Prime Reality evokes another mind boggling thought: IMAGINE NOTHING. WHY IS THERE SOMETHING?
Why dpes there have to be a why?
EVOLUTION IS SUCH AN INTERESTING…
…stumbling block! Hey! Jesus is King 👑
No it’s not. It’s a fact it happens
Evolution is a fact, oh , you’re a Christian you don’t understand facts
@@therick363no it’s not a fact Rick. If it were a fact, then it would move out of theory and become a brute hard fact. Even though I believe in the plausible form of evolution, it does not become a fact, only theoretical evidence.
@@richiejourney1840sigh. Let’s educate you little troll.
It’s a fact it happens. A theory doesn’t become something else. Theories are made up of facts. You know what’s also a fact and theory? Plate tectonics….but I bet you accept that fact.
You need to learn some basics is science before speaking up.
@@therick363 Darwinism & evolution and what not are “theories” not fact or law. Furthermore, stumbling blocks are those things that cause difficulty or hesitation toward accepting a concept. Thus, even facts can be stumbling blocks.
Love the last part: "we do know..." like a reversed dunning-kruger. It seems that scientists who are at the forefront of their fields always reach a point of discovering the Author of everything.
👍👍
Shermer is such a lightweight. Who let that guy in here?
featherweight vs a heavyweight, that's just brutal to see 😂
@@smolboyi True, David vs Goliath was rather brutal lol
Who let him in? satanists who rule the world.
Meyer's is a flyweight.
I hate the censorship, i really hate it.
They suppress the truth in unrighteousness. They love the darkness and sin. God makes you morally accountable.
"I was once _'Born Again_ Christian...:"
If he believes he was, it's easy to understand that he was not a 'Christian' at all. To him, belief is not FAITH-it's not more than a resume of his own thoughts.
Commercial air plane _[like a 747 airplane]_ :
- Use flaps in wings to manoeuvre
- Needs a runway to take off
- Designed by engineers with specific expertise
Eagle:
- Uses flaps in wings to manoeuvre
- Can take off by just spreading its wings in the breeze
- Supposedly arose by chance and mindless chemistry
Who created God? Intelligent design requires a creator. Remember don’t use the logic fallacy of special pleading
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 well said, My friend 👍
@@lukeives2801 no, it's common sense, how can a being be bound by the same time he created out of nothing?
@@ndibunwapeter9013no the OP lies and thinks personal opinions equal facts of reality
A single baby somehow survives a terrible train crash
"Glory to God, he literally saved that baby! God is good!"
100+ people, including six other babies died horrible deaths in that crash
"Oh wElP, gAaWd woErkS iN mYstErioUs wAyS!"
I find it interesting that atheists have a hard time believing that Jesus rose from the dead when they believe everyone and everything rose from non living matter.
I'd be more willing to believe Jesus didn't actually get killed and he regained consciousness while in the tomb. He just looked dead and then was stabbed in the side with a spear. I think it is possible to survive that initially but he would have died for real of infection later on.
As far as coming to be from non-living matter we have found amino acids on meteorites so it isn't like the chemistry is starting from nothing. A few billion years is a long time for many dice rolls.
@@Jake-mv7yoyeah…like hitting the cosmic lottery several times a day…you betcha bro…
@@Jake-mv7yoexcept your view would be a highly minority view…but enjoy it.
@@Jake-mv7yogood luck with your Babylonian primordial soup pond scum…
@@Jake-mv7yo amino acids aren't life...
Science/atheist has no answer. "The answer may change because science is constantly changing."..."The answer is we don't know."...Dr. Michael Shermer. So refreshing to hear him say that.
@@avalancheofapostasy4916 literally the 1st things I caught as he spoke.. basically saying "I'm totally unsure & I don't know but..I do know God shouldnt be the automatic reason" 😂
@@joyboy.brycegenre "Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God." ~ Tom Stoppard
I'm glad i met him in the pub, knocked back a few. He was blue, drinking in the blue ha ha. Happy he decided to fight the fight.
I would have thought any design has to be intelligent design
You've obviously never driven an old Skoda!
@@mirandahotspring4019you don't think there is any intelligence involved in its design? Nothing wrong with a Skoda. It might just have the appearance of no intelligent design.
@@MarkPatmos 👍👍
@@mirandahotspring4019 still needed a designer, so what's your point?
Bottom up design is not intelligent.
If Shermer was a TRUE skeptic,he would be skeptical of his skepticism.
true.
Very true, but his humility is lacking because he doesn't practice having it.
@@TheSwauzz correct , if a man or woman can’t humble themselves,they will never come to know God.
Shermer is skeptical of claims made without evidence.
@@kos-mos1127 he can’t provide any evidence that his skepticism is true.
Doesn't matter that science changes. In order to do science you still have to have the law of logic. If the universe had a beginning like what the science tells us, it had to have a cause. The thing we have to understand is an infinite regress gets us nowhere. There has to be something that always was, in order for there to be anything at all. Reality tells us apobetic information always has intelligence behind it. Tge universe is intelligible, and anytime you see intelligibility, you always see intelligence behind it.
"Science" _[the word in English]_ comes from the Latin word "Scientia/Scienza" which in sum it means 'practical knowledge'. So according to non-corrupted use of the word "science" _[which Darwin popularised the serious corruption of the word 'science' + it's understanding and correct usage as we see today]_ when you learn how to cut a steak with a knife, that's 'science', when you learn how to ride a bicycle, that's "science", when you learn how to skate on ice, that is science, when you learn how read and write, this is science. So tragically and tormentingly sad though, the definition of 'science' in the Far West has been perversely redefined by Darwin _[who only had one degree, in theology!]_ and lovingly adopted by Communists, Fascists and Socialists _[Social Darwinists]_ to be based solely on materialist, mechanistic, naturalist, atheist view of reality which itself, is a perpetual self-refuting, self destroying, self-demolishing, self-annihilating position.
It's reason, not logic _[arithmetic]_ that is Scripturally the basis of God's definition of science.
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217still showing you can’t be honest or accurate. Surprise surprise another theist who dials right away at being an honest adult.
Keep on showing lies and disrespect.
Actually science says we don’t know if the universe had a beginning. It seems like it did but scientifically we don’t know for sure.
There has to be something that always was? Okay-energy.
@@therick363 Science say fields have always existed.
@@therick363 not exactly. The current scientific understanding, particularly through the framework of the Big Bang theory, indicates that the known universe had a beginning. The theory posits that space, time, and matter all came into existence at that moment.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He ( Jesus) was with God in the beginning. Through Him ( Jesus) all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made...the word ( Jesus) became flesh and made His dwelling among us
"They're both like our age..." Rotfl but yeah it's our battle now.
WHY DON"T YOU bring it back if it is that important.Thank you for introducing me to this.
Simple Mathematics disproved chance evolution natural selection and time can produce you and I
Disproving something mathematically does not disprove something in reality. That is why the private industry do not hire mathematicians because companies do not care about proofs they care about productivity.
@discerntheevidence4273 could you explain more please if you would like
That makes no sense at all.
@@TheNerdyBrew it's in his book but put shortly, number of amino acid possibilities to make a avg protein 150 amino acids long x the number of possible amino acid combinations at each spot on the 150 long chain (20 if I give you all homochiral amino acids but 40 if I don't) maths out to like 150^20 is about 10^165..... Literally hasnt even been that many seconds in the universe by orders of magnitude. Functional proteins are extremely rare. That's to find 1 protein, you'd need many at the same time and place to get to a cell.
"Let's be scientifically honest with ourselves, the probability of having life arise to greater and greater complexity and organization by chance is the same probability of having a tornado tear through a junkyard and form out the other end a Boeing 747." ~ Sir Fred Hoyle
God's will be done, I ask in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen!
Amen
Amen
What will?
"God's will be done" Which god? There have been over 4000 religions and god claims and none, zero, zilch, nada got even close to being true. Once you understand why you reject every other god's claim then you will understand why we reject them all.
show me historical documents where jesus as son of god is called by the name outside of the bible. I'll wait.
Shermer admits that no matter what your theory is as to what was the cause to the universe is, it has to be an uncaused first cause. You can't have an infinite regress of causes. Shermer thinks its nature itself (space, time, and matter) that is the uncaused cause which would have to be eternal. The problem is there was no nature to do the causing. Its nature itself that had a beginning. So the cause has to be outside or independant of space, time or matter.
Space, time, matter AND energy... who put fuel in the gas tank? God/Jesus.
It's possible we don't know everything about "nature."
@@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217 "Space, time, matter AND energy... who put fuel in the gas tank? God/Jesus." Space, time, matter and energy must coexist. They can not exist independently of each other. Matter and energy are intertwined.
@@spacemoose4726 "It's possible we don't know everything about "nature."" Of course. But we know it had a beginning, therefore a cause. And that cause could not be within nature because nature didn't exist at that point.
@@elkhuntr2816 If it's possible we don't know everything about nature, then how can we know there wasn't something natural before the big bang? I get space, matter, and time had a beginning, but that's nature that we do know of.
There's no such thing as an ex born again Christian.
Sure, there are.
If you want to argue that these people weren't truly born again then you have an unfalsifiable position.
Never send a boy to do a man's job. Sharmer is outgunned on every point..
Shermer, a smart guy, who paints by the numbers.
Sherbert a guy that ignores evidence that opposes his presumptions.
@@pigzcanfly444 What evidence? Stephen Meyer's did not provide evidence he just made a assumption and the logic he used followed.
The realization of intelligent design is enough for any honest person to come to Christ. To say "all people who believe in intelligent design are Christian" is like saying "all who don't are atheist." To believe in intelligent design is to admit there is a creator. This implies His ownership over His creation. Christianity is the only religion that explains these things in a way that makes sense. How amazing is it that the creator became the created in order to atone for the sins that resulted from the freewill of his creation.
Do you mind if I press you on that a bit?
What if deism is true? Is that incompatible with what we observe? To me, it makes better sense of the universe we have than it being the product of a perfect creator of somekind that created with us in mind.
@@landonpontius2478 The issue in my mind with Deism is purpose. Why would a supreme "god" decide to create anything at all? If Deism was true, the creation would have no purpose or goal.
Christianity tells us that we were created to have community and a relationship with Him. We weren't created just to exist without His influence or goals in mind. We were created to give Him deeper purpose and to ultimately glorify Him.
We are born into this world His enemy. Every decision we make has consequences, spiritually and physically. Those decisions that go against God are what Christians call "sin". Despite our sin, constant rebellion, pride, and hate toward his authority, he made a way for us. He paid our spiritual punishment for us by sending himself to earth in human form to die in our place.
Why? Because our relationship with Him is worth more than life. We are His purpose, and He is our purpose. Love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control all come from Him. Without Him nothing could exist, and without Him nothing would have reason to exist.
I hope that one day your eyes will be open to the God of this universe that loves you and is waiting to welcome you in with open arms.
@@andrewpatterson1840 I was actually happily a christian for most of my life, and I don't mean casually: international mission trips, worship leader, elder/board of directors at a church, etc. The whole nine yards. Which I only say to signal that I know the theology. Christianity does not have a monopoly on those characteristics in anyway, but I understand why you hold that view.
In regards to deism, I don't claim to have the answers. In an interesting way, atheism is actually the more humble position to hold. It's not a rejection of god or what he stands for but simply the basic state of not being convinced, which I think is difficult to explain if the stakes are as serious as you suggest.
The potential explanations for the universe and its "purpose" are almost infinite since we know so little about what the constraints actually are.
Can I ask why you think creation needs a purpose or goal? Surely we can have meaning and purpose without needing an external purpose on a cosmic scale. I'd love to hear more about that
@@landonpontius2478 I just want to begin by saying that believing in God, Deism, the Big Bang, or any other origin story is a leap of faith. There will never be verifiable or empirical evidence to 100% support any of these positions because they all precede written history. Science does a good job at explaining empirical evidence, but is constantly wrong when it comes to theories.
My natural inclination would be to believe in the Big Bang or some scientific explanation for the universe, because that is what I was taught in school and there are a lot of culturally respected theories out there. I believe that this is the default view for most that grows up in a developed country.
For you question about why creation would need a purpose or goal. According to the Oxford dictionary it states that Deism is "belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind." This means that a "supreme being" created everything.
If not for the reasons stated in my previous reply, why would this "supreme being" create anything? What would prompt this creation, and if given the ability to create why would they be so uninvolved? If purpose does not matter, why do we as its created beings strive for purpose? How can Deism explain morality or love?
I know it is kind of a copout, but I think that you can find my answer to your questions by answering the ones I prompted.
From my perspective, the Bible answers all of these questions. Through personal experience, I have seen how God has changed my life and the people around me. He is not a passive "supreme being", he is an active loving God.
@@landonpontius2478 Being very involved in church is a great way to lead you away from the truth. I grew up the same and those places are filled with wolves. They warp your soul and it did the same to me. I became an unbeliever. 15 years of life went by and God went out of his way to make himself known. But it’s only because I genuinely asked for it. I’m talking literal prayers that could not have been answered without some supernatural reason.
I respect your right to not believe. And I understand what church does to you. The only real church I ever knew was the one I was baptized in at 9. Now I understand that the churches are just us. And that most “churches” are just houses for predators.
Particularly good episode!
That guy said with a straight face, "it doesn't look that weel designed.". What a 🤡.
The abrahamic god conclusion disproves itself; along with the christian attempt to reimagine it every time we learn something new about reality that debunks it. I'm in the belief that your god does exist, but not outside of human-written words or further abstractions inspired by those words. Your belief will only ever be god of the gaps, because there is no evidence in reality to support its existence. Meyer is a troll, nothing more.
@ShallowsPaul . Well,sir, I have unfortunate news for you. Your alternative to god or the supernatural is STILL supernatural. Therefore, you have no defense. You have only faith and insistence. Evolutionistic mindset is the alternative to there being a god. And evolution demands that there existed single -celled organisms UPON which evolution started. So where would those single -celled ancestors have come from? 1. They are eternal,eh? 2. Or did they simply make themselves exist for your and proponents' of evolution sake? Which of YOUR only options AREN'T supernatural?
@@user-zu2zo8ji4n That's not unfortunate news, it's gibberish. Supernatural is Christian code for magic. The fact remains, your god exists in human-written words and further abstractions inspired by those words only. You need to join a new club.
@@ShallowsPaul You so quickly avoided the questions! I don't need to tell you what that lets me know. But your sly evasion is very revealing.And I'm not a Christian. Nor did I coin the word supernatural. And I didn't put you in an unwinnable position. You did that to yourself.So would you like to answer my two questions? Or would you like to surrender? Actually,if you keep avoiding the questions... you show that you have already surrendered! Checkmate ____mate!
@@user-zu2zo8ji4n I'm not avoiding anything. I didn't answer, because your questions are stupid.
The first unicellular organism emerged - we see things emerge naturally - even something as simple and everyday as a storm emerges, right through to stars. Things emerge. Life is just a fancy word for just another blob of matter - that we have extra qualities is irrelevant. Life emerged.
You also believe life emerged. The difference is, where I believe basic life emerged, you believe an intelligent, magical contradiction emerged and then created everything from nothing.
There's nothing supernatural about energy providing a platform for everything we know to exist, and it's infinitely more logical than your god conclusion.
Your belief system takes a god character from the writings of sand people (that was taken from earlier sand people, and was part of a polytheistic belief - the other gods were sacked) and keeps reimagining it so it can seem plausible in an intellectually advancing world.
None of the above is relevant, though, because your god exists in human-written words and further abstractions inspired by those words only.
Stop pretending you know anything about abrahamic christianity OR natural selection science.
I'm sure you know neither.
I am finding a strong correlation in talks with my friends and colleagues. The more the figure of the actual father is corrupted (divorce, alcoholism, non-presence, violence etc.) the more is the 'reasoning' to reject the God of the Bible.
In other words, the more the 'normal' family is broken the more 'reasons' there are to reject God.
yes!
God became Superman. Superman became so powerful that he ended up being an abstract concept so people stopped caring.
So, you are trying to psychoanalyze everyone who doesn't believe in your Sky Daddy by making the absurd assumption that they all come from families without a strong father figure? OH PUHLEEZE. What don't you just fall back on the old canard that we all hate "God" because we love to "sin". You people are a laugh riot. The fact is that it is unreasonable to believe in anything that is unsupported by evidence.
@@williamgreenfield9991
What evidence do you claim to have investigated that you have found wanting?
@@kos-mos1127 : Atheists who spend their time trawling faith-based and religious facebook pages, comments sections, etc. were found to have character traits related to sadism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism. Perhaps its time for these atheists to realise that they have a problem that needs to be desperately fixed.
*****Atheist Behind the Screen: The 'Internet Agitator" Character*****
Internet agitators / flamers / instigators / provocateurs / troublemakers / - People who derive twisted pleasure to intentionally incite discord in internet communities - at times tend to have a lot in common with real-life sadists, modern day research puts forth in the areas of social engineering.
Meyer is a chad.
^
@@corning1 what does that mean?
😂
@boratsagadiyev987 it means he's based, silly 😂
Obviously a comment from someone that lacks an education.
The big bang. God said, "Let it be." And BANG, it was!
I remember asking my Sunday school teacher the question who created God which answer is that God is uncreated, but to a natural mind makes no sense. When I became a Christian at 14 I understood that God is a spirit and has no beginning or end. The natural mind receives not the things of the spirit because they seem foolish.
Do baseless assertions constitute some form of rational argument in your world dear? 🤭
@@trumpbellend6717 You put your faith in science and I put my faith in God.
@@sillykittygirl
Lol I actually care about the truth of my beliefs so I use FACTS and EVIDENCE to determine reality and I have no use whatsoever for the "faith" Knowledge of FACTS, also called "propositional knowledge", is defined as true belief that is distinct from opinion or guesswork by virtue of justification. A "FACT" is a point of data that is objectively verifiable ( demonstrable ) Absent "Facts" one has only the opinion or guesswork and no justification to claim such knowledge.
Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜 To assert as FACT that for which there is insufficient evidence is intellectually dishonesty and essentially no different than a *"LIE"*
Your "faith" is no more reliable or valid than the faith used by followers of Zeus, Thor, Allah, Buddah, Mithrah, Dionysius or any one of a thousand other man made "Gods". Obviously if "faith" can be used to believe in God *X* and also used to believe in God *Y* then faith is NOT a reliable pathway to truth.
_"where there is evidence no one speaks of "faith" - we do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round_ _We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence"_
- *Bertrand Russell*
@@trumpbellend6717 Well some things are based on faith, it's a 'fact' that a painting has a painter or a building has a builder without knowing that person. Same as creation is proof there is a creator and that is based on faith. When you ask God to forgive you for your sins and accept him as your Lord and Saviour then you will know Him.
@@sillykittygirl
Lol we have millions of examples of paintings being created by human beings we have ZERO NADA ZILCH examples of an invisible magic God creating anything, much less the specific one with the talking snake 🤭😅🤣
"A fool says in his heart there is no God." Always ironic to prove there is no God, one has to know everything about universe, which makes one God.
LIES and FALSE CLAIMS against the GOD and FATHER of JESUS CHRIST
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that
all Atheists are the spreaders of the LIE and false claim that his GOD and Father doesn't exist
and
Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
are
the spreaders of the LIE and false claim that his GOD and Father is cruel, merciless, and tortures human beings for eternity in their invented and fictitious Hell.
FOLLOWERS of JESUS CHRIST and WORSHIPPERS of his GOD and FATHER
GOD KNOWS
that loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
willingly submit to the authority of his Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and obey his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely bring themselves honor and his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4.
GOD KNOWS
that all human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20
but
he KNOWS too
that he will not let all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the right proper time,
he will let his Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can peacefully, happily, and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as earthly subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
What if the knowledge demonstrated there were no gods? How does knowledge turn one into a god?
@@haggismcbaggis9485what if it’s the opposite?
@@richiejourney1840 Then it would demonstrate that there are gods.
Why is there no wisdom in this 'dose of wisdom'? There's nothing wise about special pleading.
I can only speak for myself, but God being uncaused is not special pleading. God's nature is such that He could not fail to exist. God's essence is His existence. God is a necessary being, unlike the physical world. The physical world is a changing world full of potentials that are actualized and unactualized with every moment of its existence, which means it's contingent - the essence of physical stuff must be conjoined with an act of existence to be actualized and made real.
@@Jimmy-iy9pl Everything that exists has a cause, except for your god. That is special pleading.
@@taylorthetunafish5737 it would only be special pleading if I just arbitrarily decided God should be excluded from having a cause. That's not what I've done. I've given you a reason for why God is uncaused.
@@Jimmy-iy9plyou decided god is uncaused which means you excluded God from having a cause. If it something doesn’t have a cause then it would be uncaused right? I don’t understand your reasoning, can you please elaborate?
@@AlCapwnd-tb5ow yes, God is uncaused. That's basic classical theism. God is a necessary being.
Problem is people can’t grasp the fact God didn’t have to explain in detail how he created he simply said he did it. God goes way beyond science and I believe God completely even if I don’t understand it all
That isn't the problem.
The issue is that you're asserting claims you can't back up.
If you can't understand how god did anything and all you have is a claim then why do you believe it?
@@LordMathiousIt's not that any believer has to back up an argument about the existence of God.
God says that he is seen through nature and that there's enough for everyone to know that he exists. He also said that he will draw everyone a couple of times in their lives.
People are not convinced there's no God, they're convinced that they don't want God.
As believers we're connected to God. He's present in our lives, because we're his children. We don't need any proof.
And it's not important to prove to you or any other sinner that God exists. For that is obvious.
The more important question is why you don't want God in your life.
@@MaviLeb Incorrect.
You do have to provide evidence for why you believe if you want others to believe.
I don't accept god into my life because I don't think he exists. Plain and simple. Give me some reasons why I should believe he exists.
@@LordMathious No, it's correct what I have said.
And you starting your comment with the word incorrect, shows that you have not thought it through.
We don't need to convince anyone of the existence of the obvious. It's obvious to most of the world at all times of history. You're the exception, not the rule.
Also, there are enough philosophical arguments. I am sure you have heard all of them.
God, however, doesn't want to be proven to unbelievers like you. He's given enough.
That's another reason as to why I don't have to prove anything to you. If I could prove it, you'd still find reasons or you would say that God is not just, because he forces you to believe.
God proves himself in that everyone who asks for him with a humble heart will be heard and will get an answer.
More than that is not necessary.
@@LordMathious You don't have evidence, you don't have evidence, you don't have evidence. That's what you appear to be drilled to post everywhere. Even when presented with evidence in this very video, you seem impervious to evidence. How unscientific of you.
Incredible today there's some people that believe the majestic Universe was created by Jesus for us. How lost can you get.
Sorry. I don't like the "tipping cows" analogy. I'm a family farm advocate.
Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here." A God who enters his world, submits to its laws, uses its everyday features in his parables, experiences its pain, is murdered by its religious hypocrites and government dictators, and conquers its most feared weapon, is a better candidate for Uncaused Cause than mere matter or energy.
God does not explain anything.
@@kos-mos1127Correction. The initial Uncaused Cause does explain everything sufficiently.
“Does not compute”…yeah, the universe doesn’t care about what you can understand.
“The universe does not care what you can understand.”
Neither does a table and chair yet they were designed and made…
@@richiejourney1840 and we know humans make tables and chairs. We even have video of people making them. Where are the videos of deities creating universes?
I really hate discussion around the subject of the beginning of the universe (or everything) because all it does is divide people into two groups:
1. People who can fathom seemingly illogical concepts to be valid
2. And people who can't
Not true at all.
Both sides of the debate do this.....
The idea that the foundational principle of biogenesis was broken in the past when we know it's immutable today certainly qualifies as "Illogical concepts being valid"
We KNOW Life can't come from non life.
@@MultipleGrievance do we "KNOW"?
Also I'm not talking about chemical evolution, I'm talking about the beginning of the universe, so what's your point?
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According to our own science, Yes. Look up biogenesis......
We know of NO instance where this principle was violated in nature.
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Well, if you're talking about the origin of the universe itself, Both concepts ; creator God & Big Bang are illogical.
Nothing in our experience explains how time began at one specific point. It's illogical by nature.
@@MultipleGrievance No instance?
Biological life creating biological life is indeed what we see all the time everywhere.
What about god creating man.
I am pretty sure you don't believe god was flesh and blood.
So your god created biological life out of non-biological life.
I don't see how you can say it is impossible and have your god do it at the same time.
If your god did it, it clearly is possible.
When I was an atheist i was using this same argument, who created God and thought it was something logical. I started studying and saw how flawed that statement is.
Really?
Let me guess: the "flaw" in the question "who created God?" is thoroughly defeated by a bold assertion with no evidence - e.g. God wasn't created!?
@@donthesitatebegin9283 With the bold assertions with no evidence. Hilarious. Do you know what deductive reasoning and inference is?? I'd suggest you Atheists learn a bit about philosophy. Start with the prime mover
@@raphaelfeneje486 A simple yes will suffice. No need for a foot-stamping tantrum.
BTW: I'm not an Atheist and I have a philosophy degree - so blow me you wanker.
@@raphaelfeneje486except it’s not flawed to ask it
Another terrible video. So many flaws
- God existing is the default position...this means everything exists until proven not to exist. Leprechauns, unicorns, aliens.... you are Completely incorrect and a null hypothesis should always be followed
- mom of the gaps argument.... moms existing are not in question and moms existing can be verified
- kalam argument- every cause does not mean an intelligent designer behind said cause.
- first mover/first cause being eternal ....philosophical argument's are subjective ... this is 100% special pleading and no way around it.
These are just a few to start...
Most of these arguments , children could decipher better than you two
Neurologists tell us that as humans we have a tendency to believe those things which we want to be true. Why not withhold our verdict until we have good evidence to it?
Neurologists also supported lobotomies, electroconvulsive therapy without anesthesia, misunderstood and stigmatized epilepsy and treated autism as a psychogenic disorder. People can believe whatever they want, but science has made an endless list of mistakes and misunderstandings throughout history for me to put my full faith in it. And I say that as someone very much believing in and utilizing regularly modern medical science at least.
I take it that you don't believe neurologists have any valid arguments.@@TheSwauzz
@@TheSwauzz Christianity also has made endless mistakes so why put faith in christianity.
@@kos-mos1127correction. Humans who call themselves Christians have made many mistakes throughout history. That’s why we put our faith in God and follow Jesus His Son, not men.
Neurologists are not psychiatrists…
It's not up to us to save him. The only question if you want to ask is what path he'll choose.
@newpatterson .. well said, hreat comment
Someone please tell Shermer it’s “turtles all the way down.”
it is horrible to see someone that spiritually dead to say there is no supernatural. as though God and all the holy angels needed his permission to exist.
"There are not many options, -essentially just two. Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a Creator. It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second." ~ John Lennox
Still showing you lack comprehension that personal opinions aren’t facts of reality.
Then there is what really happened. Human intelligence owes its origin to bottom up and top down causation. Physical system assembles elements into larger subsystems to create top level organization which constrain the lower level systems. The Cosmos creates God which constrains the Cosmos. Prior to the Big Bang all values of the Cosmos were infinite. Post Big Bang the Cosmos has spacetime as a constraint.
@@therick363sounds like a personal opinion…
@@richiejourney1840 I hate the op said and used? Yes it is.
As a Christian myself, it is a silly logical argument to have. None of the arguments point to Jesus as that God, so they are pointless arguments. You could just as easily use the same argument to suggest we are living in a simulation made by beings from another dimension, or a universe made by the Hindu god Brahma. These discussions have been happening for thousands of years, involving much smarter people than anyone alive today, and they could not resolve the argument ... move on. :)
LIES and FALSE CLAIMS against the GOD and FATHER of JESUS CHRIST
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that
all Atheists are the spreaders of the LIE and false claim that his GOD and Father doesn't exist
and
Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
are
the spreaders of the LIE and false claim that his GOD and Father is cruel, merciless, and tortures human beings for eternity in their invented and fictitious Hell.
FOLLOWERS of JESUS CHRIST and WORSHIPPERS of his GOD and FATHER
GOD KNOWS
that loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
willingly submit to the authority of his Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and obey his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely bring themselves honor and his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4.
GOD KNOWS
that all human beings will just return to dusts after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20
but
he KNOWS too
that he will not let all the loving, kind, respectful, and submissive persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the right proper time,
he will let his Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can peacefully, happily, and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as earthly subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
I appreciate Stephen's fearlessness even though i wish he would make slightly different arguments. But, that's on me .
I remmeber getting your resource Mining for God 10 years ago when I started an apologetics club on campus. One of the best resources Ive ever used. Thanks mate for all youve done.
It is not at all, and it never will be "scientific" to say that something just isn't true without being able to scientifically debunk it. And every argument I've ever heard from atheists against a creator falls miserably short. They literally sound like children saying, "I know you are, but what am?"
Strange as an atheist i would say the exact opposite and so would a muslim or a hindu.
I guess personal biases are strong.
Great video, thanks!
There's so much Aristotle in those words
The problem Shermer has is that he is trying to explain away God. Here is what I would say to him. The universe did not create itself and because the universe is not infinite something had to create it. There had to be something outside of the universe, outside of time, matter and space to create those things. These things could not have created themselves. Skeptic of not, Shermer, you're simply wrong.
Here is what I would say to you. The universe was not created. The universe is infinite. Outside the universe has no meaning. Outside of time , matter and space does not mean anything. Space and time are not real in physics they are mathematical map used to calculate the position and location of objects in the Cosmos. What General Relativity say is there is the gravitational field on the left side of the equation and matter on the right hand side which derives the spacetime metric around an object.
@@kos-mos1127although, an infinite universe is no longer accepted. You must prove that it is.
Great book.
Considering the majority of Christian’s aren’t believers. I doubt this dude was an actual believer in Jesus for eternal life.
I like how when physicists rule out God as the originator, the prime reality, they say something like "Why does it have to be god? Why couldn't it be a quantum foam fluctuation?"
A what? That's a non-explanation. And to criticize God and choose to believe a "Quantum Foam Fluctuation" created everything takes a lot of faith, because you then have to give this quantum foam fluctuation credit for life, for the find tuning, and everything else. Why do these atheists insist that WHATEVER is that is the prime reality from which everything else came, it must not, cannot, and will not be something that has intelligence?
I think we all know why. Because they simply aren't willing to believe in God. No matter what.
I’m always amazed at the juvenile gotchas atheists trot out as if they haven’t been answered many times even to them personally.
No one’s ever answered my question & I haven’t seen it on any other videos. My question is what does the creation of the universe have to do with Christianity? Sure, the bible says “god created the heavens & the earth”. But it didn’t mention anything about space, galaxies & big bangs. It’s almost as if the bible was a product of it’s time
@@neargrog685what does the creation of the universe have to do with you and atheism? Millions of years of life and not a word about atheists mentioned nor space, etc., from them…are you a product of your time?
@@richiejourney1840 Once again, my question remains unanswered
One of the big differences between religion and science as “ways of knowing” is that in science we can almost always specify what observations or experiments would prove our theories wrong. In contrast, the faithful do not (and cannot) specify what observations would disprove their beliefs-or the whole basis of their religion. There are two reasons for this distinction. First, through judicious theological manipulation the faithful carefully insulate those beliefs from disproof, often in a hypocritical way. When evidence is found against them, like the medieval age of the shroud of Turin or observations showing that prayer doesn’t work, the faithful simply say, “No, you can’t test God.” No matter that if the Shroud of Turin did date to around 30 A. D., or if prayer did cure people in double-blind tests, those same believers would trumpet to the skies the proof of their faith. Evidence for religious beliefs is counted; evidence against them is dismissed. Needless to say, science doesn’t-and couldn’t-work that way.
Second, because religious belief is irrational, the faithful often won’t let themselves even consider counterevidence. The evidence for evolution is by now overwhelming, but still around 60% of Americans think that humans were created by a god directly instead of having evolved-and a lot of the latter believe that our evolution was guided by a god. Faith has immunized these people against the plain facts. I’ve always thought that the existence of horrible tragedy and evil, particularly that inflicted on innocent people and that produced by natural forces like earthquakes and tsunamis, were prime evidence against the more loving and omnipotent species of god. But there’s a whole branch of theology-theodicy-designed to explain those things away. Let’s put it this way: if the Holocaust didn’t make people abandon their belief in a god, then nothing ever will.
Religion is not a way of knowing because it doesn’t have a way of knowing that it is wrong. And without that, you don’t know if you’re right. That’s why science makes progress in understanding the world while religion is still mired in medieval theology.