hi，I'm a Chinese beta player.The game is geared towards the world.but Tested in China。 1、FFXIV Mobile use "Unreal Engine 4" 2、developed by Tencent. 3、The development team is a veteran FF14 player.
This is pretty much a Wild Rift situation. Old ass game riddled with decades old unfixable spaghetti code getting a major remake by a Chinese developer in mobile platform, and ending up wayyy better than the original game in every way.
blah blah blah spaghetti code, that's the same bullshit excuse we've been hearing since SB when Yoshi was crying how hard it was to do 3 classes per expansion. Whenever his team falls short it's just apologies and coding excuses which can only work for so long
I feel SE might have caused themselves some problems with this mobile version, cause I honestly doubt pc version is gonna get some of the features mobile is gonna have, and its gonna upset some people
I think they fully expected it. Remember, Yoship has a hand in overlooking its development also. He isn't the producer or director, but he's looking at what is being done. He has plenty of history with missteps in the main game, and is very aware of what will cause criticism. Think about it this way though from a marketing perspective. You want to offer this game to an audience who doesn't currently play FFXIV. That's the main audience target. However, how do you get some FFXIV players to be interested in it anyway? By having features that not even the main game has, that only dedicated fans would notice. That will help drum up hype and excitement of the game actually being pretty good, and then you gauge reaction of what is appealing most to fans to end up finding a focus for what to change in the main game. I know people like to act as if the team doesn't ever listen, but we all know thats not true. They're just slow to react due to their extremely strict pipeline just like with needing more rewards for Criterion, and wanting challenging 24 man content. So absolutely keep voicing criticism of the main game in comparison, because it will affect it. My primary ask is to have netcode at least on par with this mobile version. The fact that the main game's netcode is being outdone by a mobile game title, even if its a new engine, is honestly embarassing.
@@StormierNik And thats really the core issue. Is that mobile is getting a lot of what people have been asking for, since HW. Better netcode, better friends list and a glam book, on top of other pretty good QoL's and features. Everything else you said has some validity to it, but at the end of the day its the fact that mobile version is getting a lot of what players wanted in the main game making it an overall better version/experience of XIV. Agreed its embarrassing.
@@ikeaira8701 what does the monitization of the game have to do with the PC version potentially not getting some of its features? OP isn't talking about monitization. lmao
@@StormierNik honestly at this point myself and a lot of players feel like SE just doesn't care about anything besides their bottom line. They have had what most would consider a gamebreaking bug for years, which noclippy and alex solved a long time ago, and yet they have done jack all about it. Either they don't care because 3rd party tools have already fixed the issue(which they are explicitly against) or they just dont care.
Just the fact that u not get interrupted while summoning the mount and walking already make it better than PC version. And iirc Arthars also said if u casting on a enemy and he dies your cast also doesn't get interrupted game auto swap for u on another enemy.
I've seen some really dumb and uneducated comments down there so as a reminder : The mobile market and pc/console market are completely different. It's not a replacement for the original mmo, it's another product created to attract a different audience. Mobile game is HUGE in the east, but abandoning FF14 on console/pc would mean losing a majority of the western consumers. The mobile version was not created by the same team, and they can implement many features that the original game can't because of the old engine and spaghetti code already there. You are not being ignored. If you don't like mobile games that's cool, so do I and many others. But not everything has to be made specifically for you in mind. Stop acting like an entitled kid.
The amount of ill informed comments like yours are too common. ""The mobile version was not created by the same team, and they can implement many features that the original game can't because of the old engine and spaghetti code already there. You are not being ignored."" Yoshi P's message upon its reveal; and his press release, state otherwise. Lightspeed is in charge of crafting, gathering and adapting assets to the engine they created. CS3 is working on gameplay systems, job design, UI and encounter design. They are, quite literally, working on this and making it a better version than PC and console. You would know this if you actually took a moment to look at any of the messages and interviews they've had about the mobile version. It's a sister game on a brand new engine that is being co-developed by Square Enix on the engine that Lightspeed created. CS3, by their own admission, is actively involved in its production and development.
@@Alcadria idk where you got your information from but on the offical website it says "developed by lightspeed and supervised by SE" i doubt supervise would mean designing the game in an unfamiliar engine that someone else developed
@@Alcadria i rewatched the yoshi p interview and he always says words like "oversee", " provide feedback" "played through early builds" and he never says CB3 is actually doing anything regarding its development
@@SteveSmith-br3vu The close up models looks x10000 times better than their pc counterparts. In-game models look better as well. The only thing that seems inferior are attack effects and the map.
Wild Rift client is better in every way, not only the champions look better but you can do stuff like looking at the 3D model of a skin before buying it, but on PC all you can do is look at a JPEG of the skin that doesnt represent in-game model, almost 2025 and I dont think its changing anytime soon.
While I'd be okay with a 6 month maintenance, you think SE would turn off their cash cow for even a single day? No, they won't. But what they need to do is hire developers who are specifically trained and tasked to rebuild the engine slowly to allow for features that are industry standard. Jagex does this with Old School RuneScape and are now updating features that they also told us were "impossible" for years. And I bet you that game's code from 2001 makes FFXIV's look competent.
A lot of FFXIV issues can be chalked up to how Japan was behind the curve in MMO development back in 2011-2013 and even so today and the fact they made a two year salvage job didn't help matters. Japanese developers also had to be dragged kicking and screaming with things that existed for years like rollback and updated internet infrastructure. Sure Japan's old ways worked for Japan but they also forget that they are global company despite all the executives being situated in Japan. They incurred so much technological debt and didn't really pay much into it until EW and DT but by that point the technological gap and debt so massive it takes a lot to untangle. The devs have been slowly chipping away some issues present since ARR and HW but it is slow due to their strict pipeline. I hope mobile is a testbed for new ideas that devs on PC can use for a template or figure out how to tackle the monster debt they have.
They have to (and I’m sure they are) simultaneously working on a new engine that has this kind of quality of life . They have to at one point sunset the old engine that’s at this point very restrictive, it will probably come together with a level squish and a new Story arc start (a new starting point for players). When? My Copium is 8.0 but let’s be real is probably gonna be by 10.0 or after.
And wasting all the time and effort to do the "updates" we got with Dawntrail? Nah, DT was the perfect moment to start anew like 2.0 and they didn't. At this point they will NEVER do that, they will just bypass the problems we have with new clunky solutions (like the Outfit system because they could never do a Transmog system) until this new saga will end and then drop a new MMO I guess (in like more than 10 years anyway)
@@Masterandroxx Imagine they will release new engine at 20 anniversary of FFXIV, people will have fun for 1-2 expansion then SE will said "you know what we better make a new one" Like, even if we looking at situation that quality of mobile version would push main game players to ask for all these features it will take another 5 years so... yeah, about 20 anniversary. In that time we already probably would see new Riot MMO or GW3 and probably some another unexpected good asian MMO. And with CS3 ability of clearing tech debt? they wouldn't be able to compete Nah, honestly, better to just start working at XVII online at that point. Probably with new team, pls don't invite Yoshi, let him just make single player games he probably would be better at it.
The walking and running looks stellar. The running while mid-animation during moves is also clean. Definitely need that in the PC. I honestly would not mind 6months of no content for this QoL updating.
I'm betting that Yoshida's hands are tied by the higher-ups in SE who want profit over improving the game. It's sad, but they're doing the same shit that Blizzard did.
Wonder what engine this mobile version is running on. It definitely looks slick - but that's what starting fresh free from 15 years of spaghetti code holding various systems together allows you to do.
In game VC is WILD!! I can't imagine with all the shybois on pc xD It hurts to see how much more polished this is vs the main game they straight up neglect!
SE could make a ton of money by making official mod tools for hair, weapon, facial features, armor, and animations. Run it like an app shop at a decent price. SE gets a small cut, modders get majority, and a possible pathway into the company if certain mods get popular enough. SE wins with money, Modders get paid, customers get a lot more choices for customizing their characters more. Expand to themes, settings, emotes, ect. This way PC, PS, and Xbox folks get options. Honestly kind of amazed they haven’t done something like this already.
The mobile has the benefit of not working with FFXIV's archaic Crystal Tools + early Luminous engine Frankenstein. Also mobile has the hindsight of 10 years of what could have been done better and they likely were getting input from the FFXIV team on what they would have done if they had the knowledge they do now.
FF14 team need to shut down the game for at least half a year to fix all the game's problems and update it to modern standards. I can believe we are 11 years in and we still got one of the most basic character creations in MMO with the same options and templates since the game launched.
So, kinda crazy cope here, but there's a couple things Yoship has said in interviews not too far apart from each other. He's stated that he wants to make one new MMO from the ground up before he dies. But he's also stated that FFXIV is his lifes work, and he's going to work on it until he dies. The ONLY way he could do both, is if he made a new FFXIV from the ground up. Realistically, he's had the team work on two FFXIV's at the same time in the past before under worse circumstances with less manpower and resources. Additionally, they don't have a strict deadline and it could take longer over time.
they either have to fix the game or make a video explaining why it's impossible/too hard to fix it. no one's gonna take them serious if a mobile version has better features
They already did numerous times and the excuse was "technological debt." This concept isn't new or unknown and in fact expected. It makes sense any tech project will incur technological debt to get the project out in time. Tech and gaming companies do it all the time, Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft are examples of companies that have utilized technological debt to get the ball rolling on their projects/products and the hope is to fix the problems later. FFXIV started with a lot of it in 2.0 because it was a rush salvage job when Japan didn't have the knowhow of how to build modern MMOs at the time. A lot of basic things expected in a MMO were pretty new to most Japanese developers on the team and Yoshi P brought some of those new ideas to the game due to his experience with playing all sorts of MMOs. The thing is that most companies, once the project is out, dedicate people into untangling bad code, undo bad practices, and update and streamline. However, the team at FFXIV didn't really start tackling the technological debt until around late ShB (which was impacted by the pandemic) and EW, hence the slowed down content cadence. Beforehand, the team were making workaround their constrained engine (using now two defunt in-house engines), which also creates problems when untangling or trying to fix the foundational issues. But by that point the large technological debt they started with ballooned into a massive one and is almost insurmountable. There are still some devs on the team chipping away at it as seen with small fixes in EW and DT patch notes but it is like trying to finish a payment on a student loan that has a high interest rate. Additionally, the team size has expanded but it is still relatively small for such a large and successful MMO which compounds the problem of technological debt.
I feel like at this point, YoshiP should hand FF14 off to someone on the team he trusts and start work on a new MMO. Then we'd know if FF14 is holding YoshiP back, or if he's holding the game back.
'yes please' to a new ff mmo. ff xi started in 2002, ffxiv started 8 years later in 2010 so i'd say we're due for a new mmo now that we've reached 14 years of xiv. 'maybe' to yoship spearheading development. took him 3 expansions to greenlight fixing living dead and 5 expansions to fix blacklists? i'd want someone who gets us stuff we're asking for quite quickly if not right away, and gives us as much content as they can every patch cycle that doesn't fade away into obscurity as time goes on. i'd especially want someone who doesn't give us stuff like role play quests where you're forced to play as an NPC character with neutered skillsets. also there's the whole bit where the majority of content is locked behind story progression making it harder for friends to catch up and play with you... man the more i think about it, the more heavily i'm leaning in favor of someone else developing the next ff mmo. whatever strict and stubborn vision yoship has for mmos should stay in ffxiv.
It is hilarious how short-sighted SE is when it comes to cosmetic mods. They could make bank if they did something like "custom-animation" mods for your character to make them stand out more. Heck let's even ante that up. Custom Animation Mods you can unlock through Cash Shop. Achievements. Find in content. Bam you just created a new avenue of character expression.
Im really curious as to how they'll handle msq. I cant imagine doing msq on my phone with all those lines of dialogue and endless cutscenes. lol Mobile gaming is supposed to be in and out.
Lmao I stopped after endwalker story cause they clear was just gonna have yoshi p keep lying about the game after years. But the mobile game is infinitely better than the original 😂😂😂😂it’s laughable. Keep spending that money in the cash shop
Yeah, I really wish that Mobile would change up the story after Shadowbringers, or more accurately, KEEP the original story and not rugpull and retcon everything since Yoshi P's mad it wasn't his story getting all the praise
seems i might actuallly drop my sub for actual FFXIV PC after playing it off and on since 1.0 and 2.0 and then permanently staying after SHB till now. i have an otg usb hub anyways i use for my phone to play other games and i can even hook it up to my PC monitor and play it as if its steamdeck or switch... shame that mobile version is feeling alot better than the real actual version
considering ff14 it's pratically then only thing making money for SE since the rest of their releases were garbage or failed to make a good profit they can't put the game down for months
...the rest of there releases made money... they just didn't MEET SE CRAZY ASS EXPECTATIONS... They sold 3 to 4 million of both rebirth and 16 unless both games cost more than 200mill to make ( which I doubt since rebirth is a lot of access from remake andn16 used the same team as 14....they saved a ton of money) now they lost on shit line Babylon fall and avengers. But they just mad it didn't sell 10 to 20 million copies
@aaronclay4665 Modern AAA games can cost absurd amounts of money, not to mention the cost of marketing on top of that. FF16 and Revirth failed hard compared to FF15, a game that came out over a decade ago and sold twice as much as both FF16 and Rebirth combined. Having them be console exclusives was a massive fuckup that quite literally robbed SE of millions upon millions of dollars through their own stupidity and incompetence. If you haven't noticed, the game industry is completely fucked which is why the only companies that survive will be ones with live service games. That live service game for SE is FF14 and they are sinking it through incompetence and bad management.
If this game has ANY kind of success on mobile then it will become the 'actual game' and retail FFXIV will be sunsetted... Strangely I'm not really hearing much concern about this being the replacement for the current FFXIV. People are acting like it's just some little side project! This is the future guys..! Oh well. Also, does Xenos EVER stop eating in his videos?!? 🤯🤣
that walking/running during combat animation is clean, props to the guys that did it
hi，I'm a Chinese beta player.The game is geared towards the world.but Tested in China。
1、FFXIV Mobile use "Unreal Engine 4"
2、developed by Tencent.
3、The development team is a veteran FF14 player.
This is pretty much a Wild Rift situation. Old ass game riddled with decades old unfixable spaghetti code getting a major remake by a Chinese developer in mobile platform, and ending up wayyy better than the original game in every way.
That's good news for all the doomsayers then, considering Wild Rift hasn't detracted from PC League's success at all.
blah blah blah spaghetti code, that's the same bullshit excuse we've been hearing since SB when Yoshi was crying how hard it was to do 3 classes per expansion. Whenever his team falls short it's just apologies and coding excuses which can only work for so long
I was actually going to mention Wildrift being legit better then LoL too lol.
It's going to be so fucked up when the mobile version gets more frequent content updates than the actual game lmao
I feel SE might have caused themselves some problems with this mobile version, cause I honestly doubt pc version is gonna get some of the features mobile is gonna have, and its gonna upset some people
we'll see how the monetization is handled and decide from there. I heard tell it'll cost a dollar to create a FC
I think they fully expected it. Remember, Yoship has a hand in overlooking its development also. He isn't the producer or director, but he's looking at what is being done.
He has plenty of history with missteps in the main game, and is very aware of what will cause criticism. Think about it this way though from a marketing perspective. You want to offer this game to an audience who doesn't currently play FFXIV. That's the main audience target. However, how do you get some FFXIV players to be interested in it anyway? By having features that not even the main game has, that only dedicated fans would notice.
That will help drum up hype and excitement of the game actually being pretty good, and then you gauge reaction of what is appealing most to fans to end up finding a focus for what to change in the main game. I know people like to act as if the team doesn't ever listen, but we all know thats not true. They're just slow to react due to their extremely strict pipeline just like with needing more rewards for Criterion, and wanting challenging 24 man content.
So absolutely keep voicing criticism of the main game in comparison, because it will affect it. My primary ask is to have netcode at least on par with this mobile version. The fact that the main game's netcode is being outdone by a mobile game title, even if its a new engine, is honestly embarassing.
@@StormierNik And thats really the core issue. Is that mobile is getting a lot of what people have been asking for, since HW. Better netcode, better friends list and a glam book, on top of other pretty good QoL's and features. Everything else you said has some validity to it, but at the end of the day its the fact that mobile version is getting a lot of what players wanted in the main game making it an overall better version/experience of XIV. Agreed its embarrassing.
@@ikeaira8701 what does the monitization of the game have to do with the PC version potentially not getting some of its features? OP isn't talking about monitization. lmao
@@StormierNik honestly at this point myself and a lot of players feel like SE just doesn't care about anything besides their bottom line. They have had what most would consider a gamebreaking bug for years, which noclippy and alex solved a long time ago, and yet they have done jack all about it. Either they don't care because 3rd party tools have already fixed the issue(which they are explicitly against) or they just dont care.
Just the fact that u not get interrupted while summoning the mount and walking already make it better than PC version. And iirc Arthars also said if u casting on a enemy and he dies your cast also doesn't get interrupted game auto swap for u on another enemy.
hoy shit
I could of swore that's already in game
The last part actually sounds pretty bad for dungeons because you're guaranteed to pull some random unintentional shit as a caster.
@@NatiiixLP, unless it's set to only auto change to engaged mobs.
I've seen some really dumb and uneducated comments down there so as a reminder : The mobile market and pc/console market are completely different. It's not a replacement for the original mmo, it's another product created to attract a different audience. Mobile game is HUGE in the east, but abandoning FF14 on console/pc would mean losing a majority of the western consumers.
The mobile version was not created by the same team, and they can implement many features that the original game can't because of the old engine and spaghetti code already there. You are not being ignored.
If you don't like mobile games that's cool, so do I and many others. But not everything has to be made specifically for you in mind. Stop acting like an entitled kid.
The amount of ill informed comments like yours are too common.
""The mobile version was not created by the same team, and they can implement many features that the original game can't because of the old engine and spaghetti code already there. You are not being ignored.""
Yoshi P's message upon its reveal; and his press release, state otherwise. Lightspeed is in charge of crafting, gathering and adapting assets to the engine they created. CS3 is working on gameplay systems, job design, UI and encounter design. They are, quite literally, working on this and making it a better version than PC and console. You would know this if you actually took a moment to look at any of the messages and interviews they've had about the mobile version.
It's a sister game on a brand new engine that is being co-developed by Square Enix on the engine that Lightspeed created.
CS3, by their own admission, is actively involved in its production and development.
@@Alcadria idk where you got your information from but on the offical website it says "developed by lightspeed and supervised by SE"
i doubt supervise would mean designing the game in an unfamiliar engine that someone else developed
@@Alcadria i rewatched the yoshi p interview and he always says words like "oversee", " provide feedback" "played through early builds" and he never says CB3 is actually doing anything regarding its development
@@Alcadria You just validated their comment despite saying "no you're wrong" at the start it's very funny
@@fardin.fkr3 hi im test player，ff14m use "Unreal Engine4" not“Lightspeed”
just like lol mobile.
it runs smoother and looks better than the PC version
It's a sad world we live in.
Wild rift doesn't look better than pc loo
@@SteveSmith-br3vu The close up models looks x10000 times better than their pc counterparts. In-game models look better as well. The only thing that seems inferior are attack effects and the map.
Wild Rift client is better in every way, not only the champions look better but you can do stuff like looking at the 3D model of a skin before buying it, but on PC all you can do is look at a JPEG of the skin that doesnt represent in-game model, almost 2025 and I dont think its changing anytime soon.
It doesn't look better once you zoom in the animations are tone tones look at the fire aoes lol
While I'd be okay with a 6 month maintenance, you think SE would turn off their cash cow for even a single day? No, they won't.
But what they need to do is hire developers who are specifically trained and tasked to rebuild the engine slowly to allow for features that are industry standard. Jagex does this with Old School RuneScape and are now updating features that they also told us were "impossible" for years. And I bet you that game's code from 2001 makes FFXIV's look competent.
A lot of FFXIV issues can be chalked up to how Japan was behind the curve in MMO development back in 2011-2013 and even so today and the fact they made a two year salvage job didn't help matters. Japanese developers also had to be dragged kicking and screaming with things that existed for years like rollback and updated internet infrastructure. Sure Japan's old ways worked for Japan but they also forget that they are global company despite all the executives being situated in Japan.
They incurred so much technological debt and didn't really pay much into it until EW and DT but by that point the technological gap and debt so massive it takes a lot to untangle. The devs have been slowly chipping away some issues present since ARR and HW but it is slow due to their strict pipeline. I hope mobile is a testbed for new ideas that devs on PC can use for a template or figure out how to tackle the monster debt they have.
They have to (and I’m sure they are) simultaneously working on a new engine that has this kind of quality of life . They have to at one point sunset the old engine that’s at this point very restrictive, it will probably come together with a level squish and a new Story arc start (a new starting point for players). When? My Copium is 8.0 but let’s be real is probably gonna be by 10.0 or after.
And wasting all the time and effort to do the "updates" we got with Dawntrail? Nah, DT was the perfect moment to start anew like 2.0 and they didn't. At this point they will NEVER do that, they will just bypass the problems we have with new clunky solutions (like the Outfit system because they could never do a Transmog system) until this new saga will end and then drop a new MMO I guess (in like more than 10 years anyway)
@@Masterandroxx Imagine they will release new engine at 20 anniversary of FFXIV, people will have fun for 1-2 expansion then SE will said "you know what we better make a new one"
Like, even if we looking at situation that quality of mobile version would push main game players to ask for all these features it will take another 5 years so... yeah, about 20 anniversary.
In that time we already probably would see new Riot MMO or GW3 and probably some another unexpected good asian MMO. And with CS3 ability of clearing tech debt? they wouldn't be able to compete
Nah, honestly, better to just start working at XVII online at that point. Probably with new team, pls don't invite Yoshi, let him just make single player games he probably would be better at it.
The walking and running looks stellar. The running while mid-animation during moves is also clean. Definitely need that in the PC. I honestly would not mind 6months of no content for this QoL updating.
I'm betting that Yoshida's hands are tied by the higher-ups in SE who want profit over improving the game. It's sad, but they're doing the same shit that Blizzard did.
I saw arthar's video of titan. It makes retail look embarassing.
Ironic since today's leveling roulette was ifrit.. a 1 minute smooth brain encounter.
Wtf is going on with you guys? This is expert.why are you comparing that to leveling roulette?
Wonder what engine this mobile version is running on. It definitely looks slick - but that's what starting fresh free from 15 years of spaghetti code holding various systems together allows you to do.
im test player FF14m use "Unreal Engine4"
UE4
In game VC is WILD!! I can't imagine with all the shybois on pc xD
It hurts to see how much more polished this is vs the main game they straight up neglect!
Only thing left aside of (ofc) catching up with MSQ, is release beards, than mobile will totally eclipse PC version
Of course it's better than the PC version, it's a different dev team
Shows how lazy SE is and just wanna milk ppls with subs, new studio and already improving the game and f2p
SE could make a ton of money by making official mod tools for hair, weapon, facial features, armor, and animations. Run it like an app shop at a decent price. SE gets a small cut, modders get majority, and a possible pathway into the company if certain mods get popular enough. SE wins with money, Modders get paid, customers get a lot more choices for customizing their characters more. Expand to themes, settings, emotes, ect. This way PC, PS, and Xbox folks get options. Honestly kind of amazed they haven’t done something like this already.
fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk that
They have better movement physics, facial features, expressions and hairworks. WTF!?
I wouldn't be surprised of mobile FFXIV was more responsive and had better netcode than the orginial
The game engine is Unreal Engine 4
The mobile has the benefit of not working with FFXIV's archaic Crystal Tools + early Luminous engine Frankenstein. Also mobile has the hindsight of 10 years of what could have been done better and they likely were getting input from the FFXIV team on what they would have done if they had the knowledge they do now.
FF14 team need to shut down the game for at least half a year to fix all the game's problems and update it to modern standards. I can believe we are 11 years in and we still got one of the most basic character creations in MMO with the same options and templates since the game launched.
Good don't need them to ruin characters, they already ruined Au'ra in DT
It would take far longer then that
So, kinda crazy cope here, but there's a couple things Yoship has said in interviews not too far apart from each other.
He's stated that he wants to make one new MMO from the ground up before he dies. But he's also stated that FFXIV is his lifes work, and he's going to work on it until he dies. The ONLY way he could do both, is if he made a new FFXIV from the ground up. Realistically, he's had the team work on two FFXIV's at the same time in the past before under worse circumstances with less manpower and resources.
Additionally, they don't have a strict deadline and it could take longer over time.
they either have to fix the game or make a video explaining why it's impossible/too hard to fix it. no one's gonna take them serious if a mobile version has better features
They already did numerous times and the excuse was "technological debt."
This concept isn't new or unknown and in fact expected. It makes sense any tech project will incur technological debt to get the project out in time. Tech and gaming companies do it all the time, Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft are examples of companies that have utilized technological debt to get the ball rolling on their projects/products and the hope is to fix the problems later.
FFXIV started with a lot of it in 2.0 because it was a rush salvage job when Japan didn't have the knowhow of how to build modern MMOs at the time. A lot of basic things expected in a MMO were pretty new to most Japanese developers on the team and Yoshi P brought some of those new ideas to the game due to his experience with playing all sorts of MMOs.
The thing is that most companies, once the project is out, dedicate people into untangling bad code, undo bad practices, and update and streamline. However, the team at FFXIV didn't really start tackling the technological debt until around late ShB (which was impacted by the pandemic) and EW, hence the slowed down content cadence. Beforehand, the team were making workaround their constrained engine (using now two defunt in-house engines), which also creates problems when untangling or trying to fix the foundational issues. But by that point the large technological debt they started with ballooned into a massive one and is almost insurmountable. There are still some devs on the team chipping away at it as seen with small fixes in EW and DT patch notes but it is like trying to finish a payment on a student loan that has a high interest rate. Additionally, the team size has expanded but it is still relatively small for such a large and successful MMO which compounds the problem of technological debt.
It has fucking in game vc??? Wild
I honestly think it'll be really cool and I'll be able to play this at work. Plus Voice Chat means I can try my hand at Voice RP
8:15 why would they do that when they need to release savage alliance raid on christmas eve?!
I feel like at this point, YoshiP should hand FF14 off to someone on the team he trusts and start work on a new MMO. Then we'd know if FF14 is holding YoshiP back, or if he's holding the game back.
'yes please' to a new ff mmo. ff xi started in 2002, ffxiv started 8 years later in 2010 so i'd say we're due for a new mmo now that we've reached 14 years of xiv.
'maybe' to yoship spearheading development. took him 3 expansions to greenlight fixing living dead and 5 expansions to fix blacklists? i'd want someone who gets us stuff we're asking for quite quickly if not right away, and gives us as much content as they can every patch cycle that doesn't fade away into obscurity as time goes on. i'd especially want someone who doesn't give us stuff like role play quests where you're forced to play as an NPC character with neutered skillsets. also there's the whole bit where the majority of content is locked behind story progression making it harder for friends to catch up and play with you...
man the more i think about it, the more heavily i'm leaning in favor of someone else developing the next ff mmo. whatever strict and stubborn vision yoship has for mmos should stay in ffxiv.
Yeah! I think it's time for a change. He may have saved FF14. But stagnation is starting to set in after all them years.
does xeno have any videos where he isn't eating?
I don't think so
He always does ract when he eats, so he is always eating
It is hilarious how short-sighted SE is when it comes to cosmetic mods. They could make bank if they did something like "custom-animation" mods for your character to make them stand out more. Heck let's even ante that up.
Custom Animation Mods you can unlock through
Cash Shop.
Achievements.
Find in content.
Bam you just created a new avenue of character expression.
nobody ask for this shit..
Given how the slow updates and lack of content for 14 has been.. now the direction of this... WHHHHY
Because the mobile market is huge. And it's a whole different team working on it. So it's not taking away from the main game.
I'd be cool with the shutting down the game for three months to overhaul things that need to get fixed and improved. A whole patch cycle.
Im really curious as to how they'll handle msq. I cant imagine doing msq on my phone with all those lines of dialogue and endless cutscenes. lol Mobile gaming is supposed to be in and out.
Also isc if ppl can use mods for glamorous, but, they should and have to fix cuz of.the ppl who don't want to mod and the console
Shutdown the game for weeks? months? It would take YEARS, and we know what will happen with that much of content drought
Lmao I stopped after endwalker story cause they clear was just gonna have yoshi p keep lying about the game after years. But the mobile game is infinitely better than the original 😂😂😂😂it’s laughable. Keep spending that money in the cash shop
Yeah, I really wish that Mobile would change up the story after Shadowbringers, or more accurately, KEEP the original story and not rugpull and retcon everything since Yoshi P's mad it wasn't his story getting all the praise
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seems i might actuallly drop my sub for actual FFXIV PC after playing it off and on since 1.0 and 2.0 and then permanently staying after SHB till now.
i have an otg usb hub anyways i use for my phone to play other games and i can even hook it up to my PC monitor and play it as if its steamdeck or switch...
shame that mobile version is feeling alot better than the real actual version
How mucb will it cost monthly whats the gotcha
considering ff14 it's pratically then only thing making money for SE since the rest of their releases were garbage or failed to make a good profit they can't put the game down for months
...the rest of there releases made money... they just didn't MEET SE CRAZY ASS EXPECTATIONS...
They sold 3 to 4 million of both rebirth and 16 unless both games cost more than 200mill to make ( which I doubt since rebirth is a lot of access from remake andn16 used the same team as 14....they saved a ton of money) now they lost on shit line Babylon fall and avengers.
But they just mad it didn't sell 10 to 20 million copies
@aaronclay4665 Modern AAA games can cost absurd amounts of money, not to mention the cost of marketing on top of that. FF16 and Revirth failed hard compared to FF15, a game that came out over a decade ago and sold twice as much as both FF16 and Rebirth combined. Having them be console exclusives was a massive fuckup that quite literally robbed SE of millions upon millions of dollars through their own stupidity and incompetence. If you haven't noticed, the game industry is completely fucked which is why the only companies that survive will be ones with live service games. That live service game for SE is FF14 and they are sinking it through incompetence and bad management.
@@Ryies12 XV had over a decade worth of hype and troubled development behind it too.
wow an in game voice chat for a mobile game!!!! ff 14 on console and pc should be ashamed.
5:02 Mobile game where you chill?... Have you seen the Genshit InTrash community? Mobile also has CoD and League.
Sadly i think it would take way more than a few weeks to fix the spaghetti code.
Okay, but is FFXIV mobile BALDER? I think not.
"try to emulate hair"
lmaooooo
Who asked for mobile shit, they should work on and fix the crap in actual game instead.
Yeah, the real mobile version of this game is on PC handheld consoles
It's being developed by a separate company. Square is hands off with this.
If this game has ANY kind of success on mobile then it will become the 'actual game' and retail FFXIV will be sunsetted...
Strangely I'm not really hearing much concern about this being the replacement for the current FFXIV. People are acting like it's just some little side project! This is the future guys..! Oh well.
Also, does Xenos EVER stop eating in his videos?!? 🤯🤣
It's simple as money
if you have to ask "who asked for this" you obviously arnt the market
mobile has no positionals PC sucks
Ugh it looks so shitty.
So fast!!!
everything is fast when you have grandma reflexes.
Hmm, nah, it's a hard pass for me. I was dozing off watching this game play.
Well, it's far better than retail. Retail ver is shit AF. SE needs to overhaul the retail ASAP, otherwise it's a garbage for modern standard.
Tardbait