The LG-V60 is pretty much on a par (soundwise) with the Fiio M23, Hiby R6 Pro 2, Sony NW-WM1AM2
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- The LG-V60 sounds as good as far more expensive dedicated DAPs (digital audio players) for a fraction of the money. The Hiby R6 Pro 2, Fiio M23 & Sony NW-WM1AM2 sound pretty much the same as the LG-V60.
You could maybe argue that those devices have a slightly larger/bigger/wider sound stage, depth of sound, stereo image. Maybe. I don't think I could reliably tell the difference consistently in blind A/B tests. The devices don't necessarily sound identical but the difference, to my ears, is miniscule/negligible. In percentage terms, maybe 1 or 2% difference, which is so small it is practically imperceptible.
LG-V60 £200
Hiby R6 Pro 2 £600
Fiio M23 £649 (I got one for cheaper with a 10% discount)
Sony (Japanese Uncapped) NW-WM1AM2 £1300
I can confirm that that LG V60 DOES take a 1TB Micro SD card. I purchased a NIB LG V60 off ebay a week ago and also a 1TB Sandisk card and it works perfectly.
È inutile che un dispositivo accetti micro SD da 1Tb, bisogna vedere quanti file Flac o MP3 è in grado di gestire dividendoli per Autore, Titolo traccia, Album, Genere, se cataloga correttamente per titolo di traccia per numero della traccia o in ordine alfabetico. Molti lettori non leggono più di 15000 tracce, altri arrivano a 20000, altri li superano. Questi, quante tracce vedono?
I think most LG V phones Takes up to 2TB Micro-SD when they release
Pretty much exactly what I've been searching the internet for the last few days. Subbed and liked. Thanks for this. I might pick up an LG V20 but my understanding is the quad DAC is the same and it has a easily replaceable battery. Cheers man.
And takes a 1tb card like a champ still works flawlessly on my v20
Don't LG V20 doesn't have food battery life as LG V60
im new to all this audio stuff but brought a lg v60 after your review great phone
Thank you so much for this video. the information you provided here is amazing! Too many people tried to hide this fact and i feel like you blew the doors off of the craziness that are DAPS. Too much money for a lower spec device, just get the v60. I use mine with the M15i or the iFi go bar, both of which sound great paired with this phone!
An Awesome device.
Still using as a daily driver. Actually have 3 of them used in rotation along with a V20.
All have awesome DAC's but I give My V20 the edge over the V60's. Not by a whole lot though. It just seems to have a better tuning and separation. It's also the B&O variant, might have something to do with it.
The V20 has the ESS Sabre 9218 on board. Raw and unhindered by any DSP options.
The V60 has the newer ESS Sabre 9219 onboard. This one has a few DSP options to re-shape the sound signature. I keep mine set to the "Short Filter, and the "Bass" sound preset. Onboard EQ is set to flat.
Poweramp handles everything else. I use a custom 12 band parametric EQ.
Sony MDR's or Soundmagic E80c's are My current favorites to listen on. So clear and wide open it's like I'm right there and not even wearing anything over My ears
Long awaiting thanks
I also have the sony and the v60. I only use the 4.4 on the sony and dont get any hiss with my gear so far with my empire ears legend x or campfire audio honeydew. Sound stage is wider on the sony and thats a major difference to me. V60 can compensate with 3d audio on. The sony has warmth and more note weight. It only shows up in some tracks because recordings can vary, and the style of music may not make it matter. V60 way faster and way better screen. People forget the v60 came out as a flagship phone and cost 800$. The fact its a phone and was massed produced made it depreciate when dap manufacturers dont do that. I agree the value is with the v60 if you can still get one. V60 is way more portable. The difference is only noticeable to me because i have the luxury of having multiple daps. V60 is a safe rec and yes i can say it does take 1tb. I am currently using the moondrop miad 01 as my daily
I haven't tried the 4.4mm but all of my IEMS (Fiio JD7, FH3, Ziigaat Doscinco, Thieaudio Hype 4) on every Sony device I have there is a noise floor. They aren't massively sensitive IEMs either like the Campfire Audio Andromedas. The LG-V60 is silent. On some tracks the soundstage sounded wider, on others not and on some I really couldn't hear a difference. It varied.
Hi how are you? Just Wondering have you use any Fiio Earphone and what do you think of FH3 & FH5s please? I heard about Fiio first and now moon drop .. Not sure which brand and model to buy .. Thanks a lot!
Thank you for showing us this review it's refreshing to see you give your true opinion of these players and opening people's eyes to the money these companies are extracting out of our wallets and showing us a affordable player as well, keep up the good work !
I have LG V60 should I have to use IEM headphones to experience. DAC thing
what would be the ohm limit you'd say for a phone like this? Could I drive 150ohm headphones? or best to stick with smaller more efficient IEM's?
Can't comment on specific ohm numbers but the V60 drives my Hype 4s well. You can go look up what ohm the Thieaudio Hype 4 is to answer your questions. They require the most power of all my IEMs.
Very sad that lg stopped producing phones
It would be great if you can get a hold of onix overture xm5. I got it recently after I heard no improvements in sound from my questyle cma18 in comparison to my dc elite. I wanted to get it because I started going back to usability and ergonomy. Overture has great build, volume knob position and usability, and top placed buttons - really practical on the go, easier to click buttons and volume. Not very cheap but at least I was getting a small chunk of metal, without android, which sounds (almost) the same as other devices but it is much more practical
😊 can you please post the link of your iem headsets
Fiio JD7, FH3, Thieaudio hype 4, Ziigaat Doscinco. Some were referenced in the video.
To me, the whole point of portable HI-FI is the ability to use streaming as well as recorded music on the go. Meaning listening to music streamed from the servers of such services as Tidal, Amazon Music or Spotify, etc. totally independent of my WI-FI router when I am out and about. I like to discover new music which is offered instantly and automatically by these streaming services, not only listen to music which I previously downloaded. Therefore, the best portable solution for me is either a smartphone with a high quality DAC/AMP built-in or a smartphone + portable DAC/AMP. DAPs are not matching this purpose fully. The key phrase to achieve all this here is: unlimited cellular data plan.
please reply in need help urgently. I bought SanDisk 512gb SD card and it's working in my other phone with is xiaomi but not working for my lg v60 uw (vm600c) file system Sdcardfs. the file system of the SD card is exfat. how can I fix this. I've tried several SD card it's same thing. it's not working on the LG v60 but working in other phones
You’ll need to try and reformat it using your computer. Look that up online. There’s plenty of tutorials for Mac or PC.
I'm sorry for asking, as it might've been covered in the video, but for how long does LG-V60 battery last? Wifi Off, bluetooth Off. Playing flac files from a MicroSD card.
At least 40 hours but I haven't directly tested that yet. I think it'll get maybe 50 if not 60 hours possibly.
I have the V60 and the battery life runs laps around any DAP I own.
@@PerputuallyCensored Thank you for the reply. That's impressive!
i also have the v60, and with everything off this thing lasts for like 40hrs. its a champ. i use mine with the ifi go bar and the Questyle m15i and they sound Amazing also with the 1tb card
I tested mine (details on ASR ) and got 70 hours playback time. Using USBAPP
Yeah it seems like the only thing that the FiiO has going for it, is the system wide EQ and the 2nd power-in to preserve the battery.
Maybe the high-power output for high impedance headphones, would be another point for the FiiO.
how V60 competes against the likes of Miad 01 from moondrop???
Hi Luke just to let you know do you attend can jam London which is few weeks away it runs for two days hope to see you there
Hello. I'll not be attending. Have a good time though.
I have a Sony NW-WM1A. I think I'm going to sell it and get another v60. since I was eyeing the mark 2 of the sony but I can get a v60 for about 100.00 so I might do that. Does anyone know which lg v series actually sound better and why?
I don’t know but more than one person has said the V20 sounds good.
@@PerputuallyCensored I had one before but didn't know about the audio quality at the time. I just used it as a phone. I sold it years ago but I think I will get another.
The iss is due to the fact that I dknt think sony has low gain options. Because if the impedance of the iem. If it's low then noise floor will come . You need a player with a low gain option
Having lived with a LG V20 and a V40 my experience is the sound is great... until the headphone jack starts to play up, which happened all too quickly on both phones. So now I use wireless headphones, which defeats the LG's DAC.
Check your 3.5 jack, it may be clogged with dust. It happened to my V20, V40 and also on V60. Use a niddle or something like that to clean it. I did it and it is like new. This can also happen with the charging port, causing it not to fast charge. After cleaning it it worked grwat. So, if you have the chance, give this a go.
Hopefully mine stays working for a good while yet!
Hi Luke is this the V60 "thinQ" model?
Yes
I only have an LG V50 ThinQ 5G and an old flagship Sony XBA-40 Quad Balanced Armature IEM. And i can definitely say with confidence that they sound absolutely amazing for flac EDM music!
Haha I just bought a refurb V60 because my G7 was on it's last legs.
Do you only have IEM or do you tried with headphones? Maybe headphones that need more Ohms could help with the noise floor?
Not really. If a device has a high noise floor, like the Sony, you can’t make it disappear. Every single IEM I have tried on a Sony DAP has a noise floor. It is the DAP, not the IEM.
@@PerputuallyCensored Have you tried 70ohms IEM, if it exisits?
@@maxence12091994 I never check what ohms my IEMs are so I don’t know whether I have or not.
@@PerputuallyCensored Ohms of IEM are in general lower than headphones ;)
What headphones do you use to test your phones/DAPs?
Fiio FH3, JD7, Ziigaat Doscinco, Thieaudio Hype 4
@@PerputuallyCensored Thanks.
Is the LG still being updated ?
Nope 😢
agree.. LG v60 has a really good sound
and you sould try for a bluetooth speaker
no other DAP can sound so clear and clean like V60
testing it with the very same FLAC file and with same LDAC codec
I have V50 and it also has no noise floor.
Lgs for life
I stream alot through an older lg phone..Sounds great!
I've never understood the acalades , sony products get!
I think there a bit / alot / overated....xpensive too!
Did you bought refurbished mobile?
No
Do you think it is placebo then, the enormous differences that some reviewers hear? Do you have the same experiences for desk amps/dacs?
Answering your question directly, yes I do. However, I can only speak for myself on specific equipment that I have used but let's say that I am sceptical. I would love to see these people put out blind A/B tests regarding their claims. They never do, which is telling.
I have both the V60 and the V20. I use the V60 as a daily driver, but I promise you that the V20 is significantly better than the V60. I use the V20 as a DAP at home.
what makes it better? I am trying to see which is the best sounding of the lg v series. I have a v50 v30 and a v60 but I mostly use them for taking pics and video for ebay. I have a sony dap that I am about to sell and maybe get another lg
@@Shinigami7of1 I am talking about music fidelity. I use various earphones and headphones as well as a THX certified headphone amp to boost my planar headphones. I also swear by usb audio player pro. This allows direct DAC playback. The V60 is very good, but the V20 has an additional level of texture to my ears.
@@triffid68 thanks. I guess I will have to re-purchase the v20
Better than Sony nw a306?
Better sound? For me yes. Zero noise floor and a firmer bass than the A306
I had V60 and sold it for it was not a convenient device. I need physical buttons. V60 has an extra button. But reprogramming it requires buying an app, putting device into a debug mode, etc. So, for me a proper DAP, even a simple one, is much better. On the go. At home, I have stationary DAC connected to a computer. Even Moondrop MIAD01 still has just the regular phone buttons. A pity.
Yeah, if you want the buttons then a DAP is better.
LG is good, but almost got no "soul" or character. So to fit everyone, almost like fit to none really. Thats why daps still pleasing..
No offence at all, I think the V60 is fantastic but it doesnt perform better in transients and depth than those DAPs.
But add an I basso D16 Taipan to this then yes, for sure a flagship Dap killer. But jot as it is.
Sorry, brother.
Utter nonsense. There is a vast difference. Even the Fiio BTR15 offers substantially better sound, more solid and thumpy bass, cleaner highs, imaging. I have a V60 which is my main phone which I've had for years. Certainly a great-sounding phone output compared to your standard mobile or laptop phone jack. But an external DAC is no match, and that's even with tricks like using a short extender to trick it into high-output mode before plugging in the headphone. For one, the V60 driving the aux input on my car, it is **VERY** noisy and unusably so when charging from a 12v USB adapter.... and that noise imparts a haze on the sound. In comparison the Fiio BTR15 sounds night-and-day better, much quieter, no haze. The Fiio M23 (which I just returned) sounds even better, even more punchy on the bass, and has the advantage of allowing the PO output to be set as a line-out, as opposed to the futzing and occasional-danger of ear-blast in having to adjust the volume control on BTR15. And its battery lasts long enough that it can self-power for most car-trips, avoiding noise from 12v USB charging --- and leave the mobile phone running maps plugged in and charging, with all the 5G, GPS and charging noise completely uncoupled from my aux input. For headphones it's the same: BTR15 sounds substantially better with hidisz MP145, Truthear Nova, or Sundara. M23 sounds even more powerful and punchy, which is especially noticeable on the Sundara. The V60 simply doesn't have enough power to properly drive the HifiMan Sundara. The improvement on sound delivered by the M23 gets turned up to 11, and overall is less fatiguing and more pleasant and clearer high-end.
Your comment is stupid on multiple levels, that I have already covered in other videos. Because you're probably not bright enough to work it out I'll help you a bit here... Projecting your experience, with completely different equipment/different use case etc, onto me is as moronic as it is pointless. My video is over 20 minutes and contains quite a lot of things so when you say "Utter nonsense" you need to refer to something specific. I could go on and on...
Very misleading to call the v60 a $200 device. It's a $700 device that we're getting for 200 dollars refurbished, ONLY because of the special circumstances of LG mobile shutting down. Unfair to point out the price difference this way.
Whatever you say big brain. Me buying it new, not refurbished, for less than £200 and me stating that fact is "misleading". Ok. Thanks for that input.
so what, most daps are stupidly overpriced and only affordable if you get them used
if you can get it for a lower price, it is worth mentioning
it is not hard finding an LG phone for as low as $100 if it's a V20
that is a real world scenario
if he was basing it off of some lucky price that he got off of a 1 of a kind action, then I'd agree with you
even new its not 700.00 anymore so I guess you are also misleading. I got mine for 100.00
Get your protective gear ready, my man. The audiophile inquisition will be gunning for you again. In my case, I use an LG V20 as a dap, and I'm happy with it. No rabbit holes for me.
How's the interface? Is it slow and clunky now given that's it's quite old now?