back in the day, we had monthly tournaments at school, someone had fake cards and refused to believe it. His blue eyes peeled right off the front and it turned out to be a recycled spiderman card
Bezimeni Dzo he bought it from a flea market, it looked like an authentic pack, but the cards were fakes, all of them, he thought he got lucky getting a bunch of rare cards that day
to be honest when it comes to actually card used for play fake or real doesn't realy matter i'd much rather play with a deck of fakes than a deck of real cards that could potentially one day be realy expensive
kyle hubner the only time it matters is for tournaments. and idk how strict or stringent those are with fake cards. regardless, i gave up on the physical scene and just play ygopro casually occasionally.
Eventually it will be impossible to distinguish real from fake. At this point, we are relying on the low quality of the fake to distinguish the two. Eventually the counterfeiters will improve their technique to the point where it will be impossible.
Don Hicham I don't think that made a lot of sense. They are counterfeit because they are not made by the official company, if another company used exactly the same printing process the cards would still be counterfeit.
with some trading card series, people can tell the region of an authentic card just by look and feel. So even authentic cards vary by origin, production run etc., so how can a replication be identical to the originals, when even the original manufacturer is unable to fully replicate all details consistently? Yes it boils down to comparing know original to suspects, with the problem of how you can authenticate the reference but hey: PSA takes money for their service of rating cards. It is their problem and if they can not solve it, they simply should not rate cards they can not authenticate.
anime theory: PSA is stealing duelist's rare cards and sending back fakes to build the ultimate blue eyes deck, only one demonically possessed boy with incredibly spiky hair can stop them
The Old School Expert is an incredibly smart collector. And overall a great guy. Awhile back, after seeing his collection, I began to search for old sealed booster boxes and managed to find an unlimited edition LOB box. I wasnt sure what the value of those were at the time and wasnt sure where to find that information. This guy was the only person i could think of. Most people like him dont offer advice or help to people looking for it but i managed to get a hold of him and he was more than happy to answer all of my questions. Hes a very helpful and intelligent guy, and I wont forget that. Thanks man.
No problem! I have talked with and messaged lots of people over the years. I am a collector just like the rest of us. We are all brothers and sisters in that regard, and we should help each other out as much as we can!
If they determin it is a fake it will get a "No Grade" and they will just sent it back to you. They will still charge you for the grading though, since it takes time. They also refuse to grade any cards that were trimmed, restored, recolored or cleaned.
I'm reading this 4 years later, still very true to this day. I started to collect less than a year ago, reignite the passion I had as a child. I love to dig and search about the vintage history, first and second lob 1st ed print runs, the story behind MRL-E, corrected paldain all that stuff :D anyway I had some unanswered questions I couldn't find the info anywhere online so I tried to reach some famous yugitubers, no one answered but The Old School Expert, he was kind and made me feel like its alright to talk to him. obviously he had the answers and seems like a real cool guy! yugibossman from twitter :D
i remember that I was able to figure out that yugioh cards with the redder backs were fake when i was maybe 7 years old, when a 7 year old is able to realize that, its pretty embarrassing that a professional card graders cant
@@alibee1111 naw im not color blind, and to me the back of those fakes, when he was looking for the word to describe it lol i was saying it looked too bright
How? You go to an eBay auction find a PSA card nothing to fancy 100-200$ card copy the serial number make a fake case with a fake of the card, now you have a fake case and a number someone can look up that will say it's real.
This is still an issue on eBay. When you report counterfeits on eBay they threaten to ban your account. Definitely reach out to Konami (do not use their judge/ruling email for this) if you see fakes.
As an original yugioh player, I recall some first edition classic cards from Pharoah's Servant that were course in texture, but they were opened by me from a legit pack from a well known retailer (like walmart, target, toysrus), and some were very dark orange in color on the back, but the rest of the cards in the pack (same booster) were not and were smoother in texture. It's just hard to tell sometimes from stuff back in the day.
Exactly. This guy is talking bullshit. Tradingcard games like magic and yu gi oh did not get printed at one place at thag time. So the colour varies from place to place. Thats normal
The issue was there was a huge legal issue between Konami and upper deck the US counterpart to Konami. Upper deck kept making cards with out Konami’s authority making cards with odd rarities. There’s a series of different rarity types that upper deck made that are not correct. I’ve played and collected Yugioh cards I’ve come to know the difference between fake and real cards the older it is the harder it’s to tell. I have several starter deck Blue eyes white dragons and some are real and two are fake there’s a faint red shown under light it’s a brownish tint to it.
No, The European LOB set contains less cards than the US one, and Dragon Treasure US number is LOB-092 and the European number for Dragon Treasure is LOB-E072, The Soldier of Stone US number is LOB-068 and EU number is LOB-E054. (Do not confuse it with the later printed LOB-ENXXX)
What an absolute fucking joke. PSA should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. I can relate to you man, I've had to return probably 10-20 orders in the last month alone from TCGPlayer due to counterfeit cards, and it's beyond frustrating. I've had sellers try to hassle me and claim that they're selling legitimate cards when an experienced collector can tell straight away. I've always been curious but reluctant to send some of the fakes I have received to PSA because I've always been afraid of exactly this. And if they can't even authenticate properly, AND try to push you away... Wow. Just wow. I'm tempted to switch to BGS for grading because MTG collectors primarily use that, but I'm honestly afraid if they could even tell either. Don't ever stop this channel bro, you're doing a service for this game and the card collecting hobby. Thanks for the great videos.
Hey Old School Expert, I saw this video a few years ago and ever since then I've been cautious on observing my cards when they arrive in the mail. I received a LOB card online and noticed it was exactly the same fakes you had in the video. I want to say thank you for this video because of you I contacted the seller and received a refund. Thanks!
Fakes only get better, every now and then the counterfeiters will get and old unused card sheet from a set so you can get that good feel and will make top quality counterfeits that are even harder to distinguish.
Bavi Singhi Yes these are fake wrong rarities to be printed secrete rare print on ultra rare images that isn't how it works and cardstock is off. Also I have Euro prints yes darker backgrounds and the card is boweded in a different way than the US cards are presented. I have 5 euro prints 4 of them are secrete rares and 1 common. These are dead fakes through and through no matter what you say.
Aren't those the "Original fakes"? I mean, the ones made by Upper deck themselves, that brought all the shit storm on them from KONAMI when they found out that they were distributing legit cards and counterfeit cards as well (using the original designs but maybe with not the perfect ink mixture). Because someone at UD realized how much money it could be made by selling the oldest 1st edition sets to "selected" stores who would then give them a fat kickback after selling them, when of course those shouldn't be printed ever again to keep the value of the legit ones as high as they would naturally go over time. With the super HD scanning and printing techniques now at the hand of many more it is pretty obvious the market will get flooded with high quality fakes. It is not only PSA, most grading brands have trouble with newer stuff, take NGC for example; after some serious trouble by grading fake Chinese coinage at their beginnings they decided to stop grading any Chinese Republic coinage until a few years ago when they finally got the machines and experience necessary to spot the 1 legit among the 999 fakes in submission; and now those CR NGC graded coins are worth A LOT.
when i was a kid (when yugioh first came out) i remember a kid in my school having the 3 magnet warriors and valkyrion, he claimed they were real and they stood out to me as a fake right away long story short he was like look they're real and handed it to me and turns out they were stickers over common cards
Reminds me when i was at locals one day, and this kid was trying to sell his fake yugioh cards and the vendor thought they were absolutely real. He didn't end up selling them though.
Please open your own grading service! I was thinking about grading some oldschool cards, but there seems to be no logic behind the scales. 10 with slight edgewear and 6 for a flawless card?
how that giant soldier of stone sneaked past PSA, I will never know. they will bump your grade to a 9 because the centering is like an inch off, but they'll accept fake cards with glaring dead giveaways. very oxymoronic by my estimation
With the Tri-Horned Dragon, you can also look at the Atk and Def area with the text. On the fake card, all of the text isn't in-line. Whilst on the two legal printed cards, the text is perfectly aligned.
Back in grade school I was the strongest player in my class because I was using an exodia monster with an atk and def stat of "limitless offensive force". It was a fake card and I didn't know back in the day lol
Great video! I have a question though. How do the printing patterns look on the authentic cards vs the fake cards? Have you ever taken a jeweler's loop and really looked at the printing patterns? I know with Magic the Gathering cards there is a certain inking pattern to look for as well as the fact that lettering on the card is added in a second layer which doesn't match the base inking pattern for the rest of the card. I don't have any fake Yu-Gi-Oh! cards to inspect unfortunately.
anyone who used to play this back in the day knows they didnt have shit for consistency in their card printing i know a lot of people who used to get the start of the paper roll i myself wound up with a lot of misprint cards not to mention the ink running together in the words on the name of the creature and in the flavor text
the ATK and DEF on that giant soldier of stone counterfeit were what gave it away to me instantly. they're in different fonts (from each other, not just the original), and the numbers, especially the zeros, are very thick and sloppily printed
I was so worried that my blue eyes sdk were fake because they were slightly different color, but now I'm pretty sure they are just different prints. Thanks for your knowledge!
wait that is a fake? I thought the Eye of Anubis Hologram on the bottom right would reflect with the eye and yu-gi-oh. Are fakes that good now where they're printed the Eye of Anubis Hologram into the card?
i thought I had fakes as well but investigating with a loupe the patterns match. I have pulled out first edition cards straight from an entire booster box and there is always color variations and blatant issues where the printers were not properly oiled and cleaned. The gloss that they used back in the day fades over time, so just beware that using gloss as a measurement tool is not always the best methodology for spotting counterfeits. I worked in the printing industry for many of years and can tell you first hand that when you are busy, you will cut corners because sales team always over sales regardless of workload and current client expectations. I couldn't tell you the amount of times that quality control department was skipped because products had to be parceled up for logistics the following morning.
I have lots of respect for you OSE. a genuine person, a genuine collector, trying to purchase genuine cards. which is getting difficult these days. Cheers buddy! happy hunting!
So today I got 6 cards through the post that I bought off ebay, I bought 2 trecherous trap hole (gold rare) and they just look....suspect? I also bought 2 paladium Oracle mahad, also gold rare, they look less suspect, but they almost feel way nicer than a genuine yugioh card, almost like it's made of a different material altogether, I bought a paladium Oracle managed which I don't suspect really, and a dark magician gold rare which I definitely do suspect, are gold rares supposed to have a shiny gold border? Are they supposed to feel different? The back seems perfectly normal, no off colouring, no wrong holo colour and all text is crisp and smooth. I spent a lot of money on 11 cards and I'm not worried about 5 of them. My last question is does the little holographic stamp in the corner have any text as well as the symbol?
The spells are pretty easy to tell because of the "fake" green hue they have but the monsters are very hard to tell. At first glance I couldn't tell the difference between the fake Giant Soldier of Stone and the real one. I seriously hope PSA has gotten better at authenticating 1+ years later
To summarize: Konami simply DOES NOT have a way to ensure that your product is authentic. People, and even stores, are prone to buying a FALSE product. Maybe a path would be: 1 - Generate a unique serial number for EACH card produced. 2 - Create a database system for CARDS and for CUSTOMERS, where the customer provides his name and reports to secure email, and ALL CARDS HE PURCHASES COULD BE REGISTERED IN HIS ACCOUNT. Thus, when he wanted to sell to a store or even to someone else, he could verify the authenticity of the card and, by selling it, could transfer possession of the card to the person through the konami system. But the konami just wants to know easy money and no quality work, what to do? ...
Already happened with diamonds. Many experts were fooled by cubic zirconium. It passed off as looking exactly like flawless diamond. There is still a diamond market though.
pichum4st3r there shouldn't be though, diamonds have an inflated price because of a monopoly on the industry. Diamonds actually aren't a rare precious gem.
DeadExcuses Yeah, but that is independent of the counterfeiting problem. This is the same thing with money. we put meaning into pieces of paper and there has many upon many fakes of money. Yet, the government managed to keep the market. Thanks to anticounterfeiting measures.
As i´ve always knew, the quality of the cards back in the day was the better! i don´t know if it is because I started buying/playing YGO since LOB was new but i can easily know which ones are fake, as you stated by the reddish color of the back. Also a very useful tool is the smell, those old cards have some kind of sweet smelling, (which the new sets does not have anymore). Greeting from Mexico.
Question! Cant find an answer on google, in the video you mention some older cards having a darker brown/orange compared to newer ones? Can you elaborate that a little more ?? I purchased some on Google and everything else checks out except that some are lighter brown/orange while others are brown/orange. They aren't Dark Orange/red by any means
That's why I like becket more than PSA it might cost more but it's rare for them to grade a fake since they are very very strict and very professional(at least in my opinion)
wow! you can even tell on the fake the lines in the foil look printed on vs the authentic the lines are in the foil and give off a sparckle. so im guessing if grading go with BGS?
I always have trouble identifying fakes from real cards by the 1st edition mark on the cards. It's really hard for me to tell. But the back is definitely noticeable. What are other red flags of fake cards? Because I've had trouble with them before...
Can I just send you my cards and have you grade them?? You're honestly more reliable than PSA. I cant buy anything PSA graded anymore after this video. I need you to inspect them first
No he isn't. He has no clue. It is normal that old cards varie in colour. They did get printed in different locations back then. Magic and yu gi ohs cards both have colour differences. Thats fucking normal. Don't trust this idiot
Nevan Slone an example of why you shouldn’t use fake cards is like if you’re playing poker at a casino and the other guy has fake chips that look real im sure if he won and you found out that his chips were fake, then you would be really pissed cause he wasn’t betting the same stakes as you
mikestuy but that’s not the same concept. A fake and a real card do the same thing, and in a sleeve theres no color advantages. Yea the company didn’t make money off the card, but for all intended purposes it functions the same
Nevan Slone But that’s thing though a lot of these cards can be very expensive and you have to understand that in playing this game real authentic cards are taken into extreme prejudice. Meaning you’re going to rip people off it’s like giving someone fake money. Or like buying a Gibson you expect that guitar to be real because buying something that is fake is just wrong. Because people are just going to sell it a value that will either deceive them. My GBI God cards are very rare and expensive in the condition they are in. Now they’re real Slifer is like 40-50 bucks obelisk is like 35 and Ra is around 30 but all together depending on condition is like 130-150. Because they’re in Parallel secret rare. Some douches would price fake cards like that to make the impression of coning buyers.
It would had been cool if they graded a fake card and sent it back with a score of 0 or something like that. On it it'll have a little subtext which reads "Low score due to it not actually being a legitimate YuGiOh card. Thanks for the money."
The red backs to the cards and the miss-aligned and inconsistent text of the GSOS are clear giveaways but color and text thickness variations definitely do happen with the newer holographic cards as I have witnessed from several trustworthy locations. This is especially true with box sets such as duel power. A ton of variation within that set for some reason.
What if the card has 1rst edition next to its number on the bottom left instead of in between the picture and description ? Does that make it fake if it isn’t placed there ?
Imagine it was actually him to had the fake the PSA had the real ones. btw those counterfeiters love these videos gives them a chance to correct the mistakes which are INCREDIBLY EASY to do. They just need to lower the font size and increase quality on the text or focus on the quality on which ever part is incorrect then lower the saturation done.
recently bought a psa graded 8 yugioh card on ebay, once i received it only came to find out the grading is bs, the card is best 7. The front holo was shifted about 2-3mm, two corners had wear, a slight gouge on the back upper center area and to top it off card sides are somewhat yellow compared to being white.
The text on the tri-horned dragon fake is too far to the left, on the card description, and cuts through the border of the card description box, which is an immediate giveaway, that it's a fake.
The worst thing to deal with when buying cards it still makes me back of to this day today knowing the fakes that was going about back in the day like damm they was loads and loads of nasty fakes to really good counterfeit pokemon cards everywhere endlessly it was actually really difficult to even find buy or trade a legit one back then great times though.
Exposed plain and simple. Feels like their formula is to give a glance to the card, grade as nines, and a random one of those is a ten, and if anything pops out it gets less than a nine. And the worst part is they don't own up to it with the community and have us accept their mistakes, they try to lie it off.
Probably wasn't one of the first ones to be printed, Pokemon cards do the same thing, there's a set amount of cards that are 1st edition and then the rest won't be
you had me worried checking my cards lol, i bought an new old stock in box of LOB-E 1st eds like 8 years ago and was worried that they may have been these cards; I wasn't aware of the amazing quality fakes, it's definitely not the really old days of pokemon cards where they were clearly fakes lol. I wish I knew someone who could value my cards, they're probably not worth an incredible amount, but it would be nice to know which cards i could send in to get graded; I've been thinking of getting some graded for a long time, I just haven't put in the time to figure out which ones are worth it to send in.
I have a ton of old yu gi oh cards that I used to play with. I was a child, so the cards are in pretty bad conditions(I play magic now) but I have never used a cardsleeve until I started playing magic. Soooo a lot of my 1st edition cards are not worth as much, and I remember back when fake yu gi oh cards were in terrible laminations, I'm surprised they advanced so far.
I just bought a lot of random lob commons. As soon as I felt them I knew something was off. It’s exactly what you said about it feeling too gritty. Almost like a chalkboard texture. And it was only the 1st ed lob cards that felt like this. All the unlims felt authentic. I think they just faked the 1st Eds but I could be wrong
Holy crap , I know "humans make mistakes" and all , but PSA 10 on that giant soldier of stone? God damn there were SO many things off with it , 10 year old me would have noticed it was a fake.
Thank you for this video! A LOB monster reborn I bought that arrived today is one of these fakes. After a long debate I managed to get a refund (I got them to watch this video). I wouldn't have thought it was fake if I didn't watch this.
yugioh cards had misprints all the time could it just have been a factory defect? like a different batch of cards or it came from a different factory or country
The workers at PSA are probably paid minimum wage to look at over 100 cards an hour. There is way too much on a card to look at to catch fakes and all defects.
i dont know about this video but i think when psa grades cards the card should almost perfectly fit the frame inside the case i see almost 2/3 millimeters of space inside the case this means that the card inside can move to much so i dont know somebody tell me
back in the day, we had monthly tournaments at school, someone had fake cards and refused to believe it. His blue eyes peeled right off the front and it turned out to be a recycled spiderman card
lmaoooooo
did he did that or that is how he bought it?
Bezimeni Dzo he bought it from a flea market, it looked like an authentic pack, but the cards were fakes, all of them, he thought he got lucky getting a bunch of rare cards that day
to be honest when it comes to actually card used for play fake or real doesn't realy matter i'd much rather play with a deck of fakes than a deck of real cards that could potentially one day be realy expensive
kyle hubner
the only time it matters is for tournaments. and idk how strict or stringent those are with fake cards. regardless, i gave up on the physical scene and just play ygopro casually occasionally.
Wow. If there is one thing a grading service MUST not do is to grade fake cards.
This is the worst thing possible. Wow, thats damn embarassing.
Agreed
Eventually it will be impossible to distinguish real from fake. At this point, we are relying on the low quality of the fake to distinguish the two. Eventually the counterfeiters will improve their technique to the point where it will be impossible.
Don Hicham I don't think that made a lot of sense. They are counterfeit because they are not made by the official company, if another company used exactly the same printing process the cards would still be counterfeit.
with some trading card series, people can tell the region of an authentic card just by look and feel. So even authentic cards vary by origin, production run etc., so how can a replication be identical to the originals, when even the original manufacturer is unable to fully replicate all details consistently? Yes it boils down to comparing know original to suspects, with the problem of how you can authenticate the reference but hey: PSA takes money for their service of rating cards. It is their problem and if they can not solve it, they simply should not rate cards they can not authenticate.
those counterfitters who actually got them graded and sold at shops are BANKING lol
anime theory: PSA is stealing duelist's rare cards and sending back fakes to build the ultimate blue eyes deck, only one demonically possessed boy with incredibly spiky hair can stop them
PSA should hire you man you could teach them so much and prevent so many fake cards from being graded xD
Haha yeah I bet I could do a much better job too!
+The Old School Expert your a hero man
NekoDTV Agreed
Playing devils advocate here, but, isn't PSA in it for the money? Why should they care if you send them a fake card? Isn't it your problem?
Or perhaps the PSA shouldn't exist, considering what kind of company they are
The Old School Expert is an incredibly smart collector. And overall a great guy. Awhile back, after seeing his collection, I began to search for old sealed booster boxes and managed to find an unlimited edition LOB box. I wasnt sure what the value of those were at the time and wasnt sure where to find that information. This guy was the only person i could think of. Most people like him dont offer advice or help to people looking for it but i managed to get a hold of him and he was more than happy to answer all of my questions. Hes a very helpful and intelligent guy, and I wont forget that. Thanks man.
No problem! I have talked with and messaged lots of people over the years. I am a collector just like the rest of us. We are all brothers and sisters in that regard, and we should help each other out as much as we can!
The Old School Expert what would PSA do if they found out it was fake. What if its an expensive card
If they determin it is a fake it will get a "No Grade" and they will just sent it back to you. They will still charge you for the grading though, since it takes time.
They also refuse to grade any cards that were trimmed, restored, recolored or cleaned.
I'm reading this 4 years later, still very true to this day.
I started to collect less than a year ago, reignite the passion I had as a child.
I love to dig and search about the vintage history, first and second lob 1st ed print runs, the story behind MRL-E, corrected paldain all that stuff :D
anyway I had some unanswered questions I couldn't find the info anywhere online so I tried to reach some famous yugitubers, no one answered but The Old School Expert, he was kind and made me feel like its alright to talk to him. obviously he had the answers and seems like a real cool guy!
yugibossman from twitter :D
i remember that I was able to figure out that yugioh cards with the redder backs were fake when i was maybe 7 years old, when a 7 year old is able to realize that, its pretty embarrassing that a professional card graders cant
"real good counterfeit" lol no. These are obvious fake I can't believe PSA would let this happen
I'm colorblind and even I can see the difference on the back of the cards.
Crimson Sunbird it might actually help in cases like that
@@alibee1111 naw im not color blind, and to me the back of those fakes, when he was looking for the word to describe it lol i was saying it looked too bright
they had one job
onsean And fucked up bad.
What if they had two jobs, psa and other part time work
Just the one
What if the guy is making fake PSA cases too 0.0
the serial number should prevent that.
How? You go to an eBay auction find a PSA card nothing to fancy 100-200$ card copy the serial number make a fake case with a fake of the card, now you have a fake case and a number someone can look up that will say it's real.
I like how you both have dogs as ur pictures... But I agree with Top Hat, I think It could be done pretty easily to fool those unaware
WheresNoldo i have arrived
Dog here saying I agree with my dog friends
Konami should really do something about all these fake cards officially sold at legit stores...
Konami sued Upper Deck and I think Bandai over the dupes they were making. Konami won of course
José Xavier lol
Jen Bingnear why bandai tho? I thought those were the real original cards? 🤔
@@notorioustito8515 they are but ppl aren't use to not seeing konami at the bottom i have some of the bandi cards
This is still an issue on eBay. When you report counterfeits on eBay they threaten to ban your account. Definitely reach out to Konami (do not use their judge/ruling email for this) if you see fakes.
As an original yugioh player, I recall some first edition classic cards from Pharoah's Servant that were course in texture, but they were opened by me from a legit pack from a well known retailer (like walmart, target, toysrus), and some were very dark orange in color on the back, but the rest of the cards in the pack (same booster) were not and were smoother in texture. It's just hard to tell sometimes from stuff back in the day.
Exactly. This guy is talking bullshit. Tradingcard games like magic and yu gi oh did not get printed at one place at thag time. So the colour varies from place to place. Thats normal
The issue was there was a huge legal issue between Konami and upper deck the US counterpart to Konami. Upper deck kept making cards with out Konami’s authority making cards with odd rarities. There’s a series of different rarity types that upper deck made that are not correct. I’ve played and collected Yugioh cards I’ve come to know the difference between fake and real cards the older it is the harder it’s to tell. I have several starter deck Blue eyes white dragons and some are real and two are fake there’s a faint red shown under light it’s a brownish tint to it.
Dang, that a good fake. If I was just flipping through random cards I probably won't even have noticed.
I along with I'm sure other people would love to see the response from PSA RE this topic. Its pretty dam interesting! Cheers for this video man :D
The red backing should give it away instantly. That should be instructed to the PSA workers lol.
Also look at the ATK and DEF stats. The numbers have a different/wrong font.
It's not "wrong". One is North American, the other is European. Both are authentic.
No, The European LOB set contains less cards than the US one, and Dragon Treasure US number is LOB-092 and the European number for Dragon Treasure is LOB-E072, The Soldier of Stone US number is LOB-068 and EU number is LOB-E054. (Do not confuse it with the later printed LOB-ENXXX)
@@bavisinghi8235 wrong
What an absolute fucking joke. PSA should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. I can relate to you man, I've had to return probably 10-20 orders in the last month alone from TCGPlayer due to counterfeit cards, and it's beyond frustrating. I've had sellers try to hassle me and claim that they're selling legitimate cards when an experienced collector can tell straight away. I've always been curious but reluctant to send some of the fakes I have received to PSA because I've always been afraid of exactly this. And if they can't even authenticate properly, AND try to push you away... Wow. Just wow.
I'm tempted to switch to BGS for grading because MTG collectors primarily use that, but I'm honestly afraid if they could even tell either.
Don't ever stop this channel bro, you're doing a service for this game and the card collecting hobby. Thanks for the great videos.
Hey Old School Expert, I saw this video a few years ago and ever since then I've been cautious on observing my cards when they arrive in the mail. I received a LOB card online and noticed it was exactly the same fakes you had in the video. I want to say thank you for this video because of you I contacted the seller and received a refund. Thanks!
I haven't played yugioh in ages but fakes always had a fucked up hologram. Is this not still the case?
only the bad ones
Fakes only get better, every now and then the counterfeiters will get and old unused card sheet from a set so you can get that good feel and will make top quality counterfeits that are even harder to distinguish.
Franciumflourine You can see the errors.
They aint fake. Just different font and hologram by regions. One is North American and the other is European.
Bavi Singhi Yes these are fake wrong rarities to be printed secrete rare print on ultra rare images that isn't how it works and cardstock is off. Also I have Euro prints yes darker backgrounds and the card is boweded in a different way than the US cards are presented. I have 5 euro prints 4 of them are secrete rares and 1 common. These are dead fakes through and through no matter what you say.
Aren't those the "Original fakes"? I mean, the ones made by Upper deck themselves, that brought all the shit storm on them from KONAMI when they found out that they were distributing legit cards and counterfeit cards as well (using the original designs but maybe with not the perfect ink mixture). Because someone at UD realized how much money it could be made by selling the oldest 1st edition sets to "selected" stores who would then give them a fat kickback after selling them, when of course those shouldn't be printed ever again to keep the value of the legit ones as high as they would naturally go over time.
With the super HD scanning and printing techniques now at the hand of many more it is pretty obvious the market will get flooded with high quality fakes. It is not only PSA, most grading brands have trouble with newer stuff, take NGC for example; after some serious trouble by grading fake Chinese coinage at their beginnings they decided to stop grading any Chinese Republic coinage until a few years ago when they finally got the machines and experience necessary to spot the 1 legit among the 999 fakes in submission; and now those CR NGC graded coins are worth A LOT.
Kinda makes you wonder if there are other fake graded psa cards
Also (on monsters atleast) you can see the print on the atk and def numbers are printed differently
Giant Solider of Stone, I could immediately tell the fake by the Rock text.
when i was a kid (when yugioh first came out) i remember a kid in my school having the 3 magnet warriors and valkyrion, he claimed they were real and they stood out to me as a fake right away long story short he was like look they're real and handed it to me and turns out they were stickers over common cards
Reminds me when i was at locals one day, and this kid was trying to sell his fake yugioh cards and the vendor thought they were absolutely real. He didn't end up selling them though.
Please open your own grading service! I was thinking about grading some oldschool cards, but there seems to be no logic behind the scales. 10 with slight edgewear and 6 for a flawless card?
would you rip a fake card to show whats in side and a real cards
how that giant soldier of stone sneaked past PSA, I will never know. they will bump your grade to a 9 because the centering is like an inch off, but they'll accept fake cards with glaring dead giveaways. very oxymoronic by my estimation
With the Tri-Horned Dragon, you can also look at the Atk and Def area with the text. On the fake card, all of the text isn't in-line. Whilst on the two legal printed cards, the text is perfectly aligned.
Back in grade school I was the strongest player in my class because I was using an exodia monster with an atk and def stat of "limitless offensive force". It was a fake card and I didn't know back in the day lol
Fake 1st Ed LOB. That's so frustrating.
omg... these cards are so clearly fake... can't believe psa graded this...
Sad right? And the fact that they graded one of those tri-horned dragons is just pathetic
Plot twist, the authentic card he's using for comparison is actually the fake one.
Great video! I have a question though. How do the printing patterns look on the authentic cards vs the fake cards? Have you ever taken a jeweler's loop and really looked at the printing patterns? I know with Magic the Gathering cards there is a certain inking pattern to look for as well as the fact that lettering on the card is added in a second layer which doesn't match the base inking pattern for the rest of the card. I don't have any fake Yu-Gi-Oh! cards to inspect unfortunately.
anyone who used to play this back in the day knows they didnt have shit for consistency in their card printing i know a lot of people who used to get the start of the paper roll i myself wound up with a lot of misprint cards not to mention the ink running together in the words on the name of the creature and in the flavor text
what am I doing with my life, it's 1 am in the morning and i'm watching random videos now.
Carlos Veloz 3 am for me 😂
8:48 pm for me
1.30 for me lol
Fake card has a blood orange color that's the word you were looking for.
the ATK and DEF on that giant soldier of stone counterfeit were what gave it away to me instantly. they're in different fonts (from each other, not just the original), and the numbers, especially the zeros, are very thick and sloppily printed
I was so worried that my blue eyes sdk were fake because they were slightly different color, but now I'm pretty sure they are just different prints. Thanks for your knowledge!
wait that is a fake? I thought the Eye of Anubis Hologram on the bottom right would reflect with the eye and yu-gi-oh. Are fakes that good now where they're printed the Eye of Anubis Hologram into the card?
i thought I had fakes as well but investigating with a loupe the patterns match. I have pulled out first edition cards straight from an entire booster box and there is always color variations and blatant issues where the printers were not properly oiled and cleaned. The gloss that they used back in the day fades over time, so just beware that using gloss as a measurement tool is not always the best methodology for spotting counterfeits. I worked in the printing industry for many of years and can tell you first hand that when you are busy, you will cut corners because sales team always over sales regardless of workload and current client expectations. I couldn't tell you the amount of times that quality control department was skipped because products had to be parceled up for logistics the following morning.
I have lots of respect for you OSE. a genuine person, a genuine collector, trying to purchase genuine cards. which is getting difficult these days.
Cheers buddy!
happy hunting!
So today I got 6 cards through the post that I bought off ebay, I bought 2 trecherous trap hole (gold rare) and they just look....suspect?
I also bought 2 paladium Oracle mahad, also gold rare, they look less suspect, but they almost feel way nicer than a genuine yugioh card, almost like it's made of a different material altogether, I bought a paladium Oracle managed which I don't suspect really, and a dark magician gold rare which I definitely do suspect, are gold rares supposed to have a shiny gold border? Are they supposed to feel different? The back seems perfectly normal, no off colouring, no wrong holo colour and all text is crisp and smooth. I spent a lot of money on 11 cards and I'm not worried about 5 of them. My last question is does the little holographic stamp in the corner have any text as well as the symbol?
For the commons and rares, the dead giveaway is the gold square. On the back of the card, you can see the imprint from it.
The spells are pretty easy to tell because of the "fake" green hue they have but the monsters are very hard to tell. At first glance I couldn't tell the difference between the fake Giant Soldier of Stone and the real one. I seriously hope PSA has gotten better at authenticating 1+ years later
These fakes are so much better than the things kids had back in elementary school lmao
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when I was a kid, I could quickly tell what a fake card was and what wasn't, and for psn having trouble? thats very sad...
Saw that card and knew right away; brought so many memories of my old corner store that sold fake cards.
Do PSA not have to give you like a written sheet on on why they gave them the grade they did???
To summarize: Konami simply DOES NOT have a way to ensure that your product is authentic. People, and even stores, are prone to buying a FALSE product. Maybe a path would be:
1 - Generate a unique serial number for EACH card produced.
2 - Create a database system for CARDS and for CUSTOMERS, where the customer provides his name and reports to secure email, and ALL CARDS HE PURCHASES COULD BE REGISTERED IN HIS ACCOUNT.
Thus, when he wanted to sell to a store or even to someone else, he could verify the authenticity of the card and, by selling it, could transfer possession of the card to the person through the konami system. But the konami just wants to know easy money and no quality work, what to do? ...
PTC man no card company would ever invest in that.
PTC man Uh they do I mean my cards all have code Blue Eyes White Dragon is SDK-001.
You also missed how "giant soldier of stone" runs into the attribute symbol on the fake which was a huge give away
You're really going to have an existential crisis when fakes become perfect and you realize how much meaning you put into pieces of paper
Yeah, but people still earn money selling those 1$ pieces for who knows how much to average collectors.
Kevin Avila same reason a diamond is worth more than a pidcs of quartz
Already happened with diamonds. Many experts were fooled by cubic zirconium. It passed off as looking exactly like flawless diamond. There is still a diamond market though.
pichum4st3r there shouldn't be though, diamonds have an inflated price because of a monopoly on the industry. Diamonds actually aren't a rare precious gem.
DeadExcuses Yeah, but that is independent of the counterfeiting problem. This is the same thing with money. we put meaning into pieces of paper and there has many upon many fakes of money. Yet, the government managed to keep the market. Thanks to anticounterfeiting measures.
For the Tri-Horned Dragon, the flavor text runs into the left border as well. It's super obvious.
As i´ve always knew, the quality of the cards back in the day was the better! i don´t know if it is because I started buying/playing YGO since LOB was new but i can easily know which ones are fake, as you stated by the reddish color of the back. Also a very useful tool is the smell, those old cards have some kind of sweet smelling, (which the new sets does not have anymore). Greeting from Mexico.
The names on the Giant Soldiers are a quick giveaway in a side by side comparison. The weight and kerning are tighter on the authentic one.
Question! Cant find an answer on google, in the video you mention some older cards having a darker brown/orange compared to newer ones? Can you elaborate that a little more ?? I purchased some on Google and everything else checks out except that some are lighter brown/orange while others are brown/orange. They aren't Dark Orange/red by any means
That's why I like becket more than PSA it might cost more but it's rare for them to grade a fake since they are very very strict and very professional(at least in my opinion)
You can notice in the card text too 7:45
wow! you can even tell on the fake the lines in the foil look printed on vs the authentic the lines are in the foil and give off a sparckle. so im guessing if grading go with BGS?
I always have trouble identifying fakes from real cards by the 1st edition mark on the cards. It's really hard for me to tell. But the back is definitely noticeable. What are other red flags of fake cards? Because I've had trouble with them before...
If you look at the Guardian Solider of Stone name on top, the fake ones last letter is MUCH closer to the attribute symbol than the real one.
Hey, Old School, you should also mention that the font on the ATK and DEF are completely off. Same thing with the numbers.
Can I just send you my cards and have you grade them?? You're honestly more reliable than PSA. I cant buy anything PSA graded anymore after this video. I need you to inspect them first
No he isn't. He has no clue. It is normal that old cards varie in colour. They did get printed in different locations back then. Magic and yu gi ohs cards both have colour differences. Thats fucking normal. Don't trust this idiot
If the cards in a sleeve, value aside what’s the harm in using “fake” cards? Same text and use, just you didn’t spend a lot of money to get them
Nevan Slone an example of why you shouldn’t use fake cards is like if you’re playing poker at a casino and the other guy has fake chips that look real im sure if he won and you found out that his chips were fake, then you would be really pissed cause he wasn’t betting the same stakes as you
mikestuy but that’s not the same concept. A fake and a real card do the same thing, and in a sleeve theres no color advantages. Yea the company didn’t make money off the card, but for all intended purposes it functions the same
Nevan Slone But that’s thing though a lot of these cards can be very expensive and you have to understand that in playing this game real authentic cards are taken into extreme prejudice. Meaning you’re going to rip people off it’s like giving someone fake money. Or like buying a Gibson you expect that guitar to be real because buying something that is fake is just wrong. Because people are just going to sell it a value that will either deceive them. My GBI God cards are very rare and expensive in the condition they are in. Now they’re real Slifer is like 40-50 bucks obelisk is like 35 and Ra is around 30 but all together depending on condition is like 130-150. Because they’re in Parallel secret rare. Some douches would price fake cards like that to make the impression of coning buyers.
Wow you officially scared me away from buying cards until I know more. So so so close and can almost not believe it
Wonder if these fakes are the ones that got Upper Deck sued.
It would had been cool if they graded a fake card and sent it back with a score of 0 or something like that. On it it'll have a little subtext which reads "Low score due to it not actually being a legitimate YuGiOh card. Thanks for the money."
Also where the silver foiling is for the name giant, the letters are touching slightly on the fake
The red backs to the cards and the miss-aligned and inconsistent text of the GSOS are clear giveaways but color and text thickness variations definitely do happen with the newer holographic cards as I have witnessed from several trustworthy locations. This is especially true with box sets such as duel power. A ton of variation within that set for some reason.
I have a question regarding this. Anyway i can contact you directly ?
What if the card has 1rst edition next to its number on the bottom left instead of in between the picture and description ? Does that make it fake if it isn’t placed there ?
Imagine it was actually him to had the fake the PSA had the real ones. btw those counterfeiters love these videos gives them a chance to correct the mistakes which are INCREDIBLY EASY to do. They just need to lower the font size and increase quality on the text or focus on the quality on which ever part is incorrect then lower the saturation done.
Those fakes are way more convincing than the fakes i remember seeing as a kid. Scary. I hope none of my cards are good fakes
recently bought a psa graded 8 yugioh card on ebay, once i received it only came to find out the grading is bs, the card is best 7. The front holo was shifted about 2-3mm, two corners had wear, a slight gouge on the back upper center area and to top it off card sides are somewhat yellow compared to being white.
The text on the tri-horned dragon fake is too far to the left, on the card description, and cuts through the border of the card description box, which is an immediate giveaway, that it's a fake.
The worst thing to deal with when buying cards it still makes me back of to this day today knowing the fakes that was going about back in the day like damm they was loads and loads of nasty fakes to really good counterfeit pokemon cards everywhere endlessly it was actually really difficult to even find buy or trade a legit one back then great times though.
Pretty sure if someone buys a card from someone with psa grading & it turns out fake they should be able to sue them
thanks for the info bro. I was thinking about purchasing some old singles. Needless to say I won't be doing that now. Great vid!
i think on the secret rare you can tell the difference the most, since it doesnt look at all like a secret rare should
This video was such a big help haha I nearly bought some fake Yugioh cards from ebay thanks man! :)
I just bought like 2 packs for 3.55,but I noticed the 1st edition is at the bottom instead of under the image does that mean its fake?
I knew the first card was fake immediately but the second giveaway...was the SOUND. That horrible sound
If PSA were a quality company they would buy back those slabbed fakes they made at fair market value and destroy them, and fire whoever graded them.
I got all my cards at wal mart and target. How do you get a hold of fake cards?
Exposed plain and simple. Feels like their formula is to give a glance to the card, grade as nines, and a random one of those is a ten, and if anything pops out it gets less than a nine. And the worst part is they don't own up to it with the community and have us accept their mistakes, they try to lie it off.
I got my Tri-Horned Dragon out of the same pack years ago yet my doesn't have 1st Edition... so what does it mean?
Probably wasn't one of the first ones to be printed, Pokemon cards do the same thing, there's a set amount of cards that are 1st edition and then the rest won't be
Where can I get fake cards graded? Or fakes good enough to pass grade? Any help?
I won't be surprised if this guy is the one who finished putting together the millennium puzzle
you had me worried checking my cards lol, i bought an new old stock in box of LOB-E 1st eds like 8 years ago and was worried that they may have been these cards; I wasn't aware of the amazing quality fakes, it's definitely not the really old days of pokemon cards where they were clearly fakes lol.
I wish I knew someone who could value my cards, they're probably not worth an incredible amount, but it would be nice to know which cards i could send in to get graded; I've been thinking of getting some graded for a long time, I just haven't put in the time to figure out which ones are worth it to send in.
I have a ton of old yu gi oh cards that I used to play with. I was a child, so the cards are in pretty bad conditions(I play magic now) but I have never used a cardsleeve until I started playing magic. Soooo a lot of my 1st edition cards are not worth as much, and I remember back when fake yu gi oh cards were in terrible laminations, I'm surprised they advanced so far.
I just bought a lot of random lob commons. As soon as I felt them I knew something was off. It’s exactly what you said about it feeling too gritty. Almost like a chalkboard texture.
And it was only the 1st ed lob cards that felt like this. All the unlims felt authentic. I think they just faked the 1st Eds but I could be wrong
Holy crap , I know "humans make mistakes" and all , but PSA 10 on that giant soldier of stone? God damn there were SO many things off with it , 10 year old me would have noticed it was a fake.
Thank you for this video! A LOB monster reborn I bought that arrived today is one of these fakes. After a long debate I managed to get a refund (I got them to watch this video). I wouldn't have thought it was fake if I didn't watch this.
You have to make a video of you attempting to play Yugioh in its current state. Would be a hit. Love your old school-centered content tho.
Damn those fakes look really good. Fakes were obvious as hell back when the card game first started.
if you are using those cards on a tournament you could get kicked for having fake cards right?
2:23 you can see it right away on the 1st edition mark... the graded one was very bold in the text.
4:43 Look at the word "Rock," very distorted....
yugioh cards had misprints all the time could it just have been a factory defect? like a different batch of cards or it came from a different factory or country
The workers at PSA are probably paid minimum wage to look at over 100 cards an hour. There is way too much on a card to look at to catch fakes and all defects.
i dont know about this video but i think when psa grades cards the card should almost perfectly fit the frame inside the case i see almost 2/3 millimeters of space inside the case this means that the card inside can move to much so i dont know somebody tell me
Yu-Gi-Oh cards are smaller than other trading cards.
That they should made smaller cases for ygo cards