FA-18 Super Hornet vs MiG-29k - Which would win?
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- FA-18 Super Hornet vs MiG-29k - Which would win?
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The United States’ FA-18 Super Hornet and MiG-29k are two of the world’s most lethal carrier based fighter jets. We thought it would be interesting to compare these aircraft operating in two most powerful navies of the world.
1. Performance
The Super Hornet was first introduced in 1999. Around 608 jets have been built so far with per unit cost of $66m. Operated by crew of 2, the Aircraft’s empty weight is 32,100lb and can take-off with maximum weight of 66,000Ib. The jet is powered by 2 General Electric turbofan engines, producing 44,000 pounds of thrust combined. The aircraft can fly at top speed of Mach 1.6. With ferry range of 2,070mi, the aircraft can conduct combat operations within the radius of 449mi. The aircraft has climb rate of 748 ft/sec and can reach at maximum altitude of 50,000ft. The aircraft comes with 11 hardpoints in addition to 20mm rotary cannon.
On the other hand, MiG-29k was first rolled out in 2010. Around 89 jets have been built so far with per unit cost of $27M. Operated by a crew of 1 or 2, the aircraft comes in at weight of 24,250lb. The jet can take-off with maximum weight of 54,013lb. The aircraft is powered by 2 turbofan engines generating 39,800 pounds of thrust combined. With the help of these engines, the jet can gain top speed of Mach 2. With ferry range of 1,864mi, the aircraft can conduct combat operations within the radius of 528mi. With climb rate of 1,083 ft/sec, the jet can reach at maximum altitude of 57,400ft. The fighter jet is fitted with 8 Hardpoints in addition to a 30mm autocannon.
2. Maneuverability
The most important factor in deciding a dogfight is maneuverability, the maximum rate and radius of turn. To maximize its maneuverability, the FA-18 is outfitted with leading edge extensions in addition to advanced flight control system... Whereas, MiG-29k is a super maneuverable fighter as it can outperform the super hornet in both instantaneous and sustained turns. It can execute impossible maneuvers with regular aerodynamic controls…
3. Radar & Avionics
FA18 is outfitted with APG-79 radar and equipped with upgraded processor resulting in increased speed and memory capacity. The radar is capable to track multiple targets from 93mi of distance… On the contrary, MIG-29K is equipped with advance radar with improved signal processing and a detection range. With the help of the radar, the aircraft can detect an object with RCS of 5m2 from range of 75mi…
4. Firepower
Both planes are equipped with state of the art missiles capable of shooting each other. FA-18 has 11 weapon stations, which include two additional wing store stations and supports a full range of armaments including AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120 air to air missiles…On the other hand, MIG is armed with 30mm autocannon with 150 rounds of ammunition. The aircraft is outfitted with 8 external hardpoints. The jet can carry two R-27 air-to-air medium range missiles, 6 R-73 and R-60 air-to-air short range missiles…
The detailed conclusion inside the video.
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They are both a nice example of great engineering.
The mig is a nice example of stolen engineering
Which is better? let me see Am I American No? No Am I Not Russian either, so I'd say they are about evens overall n the better pilot wins,
I was doing some quick looking and the answer I got was the F-18 would have an edge in long range combat but the Mig would be more likely to win in a dogfight - but like what I'd classify the Eurofighter Typhoon vs the Rafale, each has I'd say a partial advantage in one area (Rafale for ground attack (it has a greater range and one more hardpoint), carrier capabilities and cost [cost per hour of flight], Eurofighter for air to air), it's a it depends on the equipped radar and missiles and if the pilot is rested and skilled...
@@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc I think that unless you mean cost per flight hour, the Rafale is a lot more expensive than Typhoon because of low production volumes
@@Ry_TSG That is what I mean (and thanks for pointing it out although I was looking at per unit cost and the answer I got for that was the same to Eurofighter being more expensive).
No, pilot is 20-30% so it doesn’t really matter the pilot but the missiles radar bvr and range and those complex stuff do matter
I'm American & I agree 👍😉✌️
The Super Hornet actually has single seat (-18E) and two-seat (-18F) variants.
Always depends on pilots
Thank you for adding at the end that it would depend on the pilot's flying skills because you can't go by specifications of an aircraft. I remember reading about Chuck Yeager when he was summoned to test fly and go over a North Korean Mig-15 that was captured after the pilot defected with it. First, Yeager flew an F-86 against it and was able to outfly it in a simulated dogfight, getting on its tail for what would've been a shoot down in real life. Next, Yeager switched and flew the Mig and outflew the F-86 and was able to get on its tail. And what was the reason the Top Gun school was formed in 1969?
looking at them in Ukraine the Russian pilots aren't to flash infact every facet of their armed forces are not great, so I think id like to be in any of the US fighters I think they are far better pilots and have had war experience well trained and the Top Gun school put out great pilots, look at the Israel their are great pilots and are rarely beaten in a fight. I think the Russians would be in deep shit if they haft to go up against F22s or F35s
@@The_forgotton_one ты о ПВО забыл, американцы не воевали против стран с хорошим ПВО
@@The_forgotton_one а бармалеев бомбить ума не надо
Near the end of this video it was said that both planes are equal and that it was the pilot of each that determined the resolution of any conflict between them if one occurred and I agree wholeheartedly.
I agree! that’s why the American plane will win! Many more flight hours and combat experience!
Damn that mig has some serious maneuverability in a classic close in dogfight that thing would be a monster
Yes it really does
The hornet doesn’t fall behind by a noticeable amount in instantaneous turn rates. In a 1 circle nose to nose turn fight, cobra is entirely useless so at that point it’s pilot skill that determines the outcome of the dogfight since these 2 aircraft perform somewhat similarly.
In modern air combat there will be no "dogfighting" and the aircraft with the best radar and longest range missiles will win the day. The "cobra" maneuver is great for airshows but has no practical use in combat.
@@simul8guy75 keep dreaming, if so then there is no need for fighter aircraft awacs with munitions would do that
@@simul8guy75 Not necessarily, radar locks can be stunted and missiles can miss. there are many situations that can lead to a dogfight, but the cobra maneuver is for sure a bad idea in combat
I see right away an important point was missed. The Hornet can take off at its full weight and fuel capacity, from a carrier. The MIG cannot. Because the Russian carrier doesn't have a catapult and uses a ski jump instead
See that’s where you’re wrong. The MiG-29K is an exception. The above mentioned problem applies to the Sukhoi Su-33 and Shenyang J-15 due to their massive empty weight. The MiG-29, being lighter, can carry its full combat load of 4.5 tons.
Not to mention the mig range is despicable
Both are bad ass! Respect to both and I pray they never have to fight each other.
Well this post has aged badly, with war between Russia and the rest of us being more of a probability than a possibility now than it has in 35-40 years
Love this channel my favorite
Nuclear weapons ensures this planes never fight each other
maybe in malaysia or something
The AOA of the hornet and fulcrum isn’t too different. Both have large leading edge root extensions that generate large vortices over the wings to increase lift particularly in instantaneous turn rates and high angles of attack.
that is true however in a dog fight guns only, the mig 29 has the advantage by the fact they its high thrust and low weight. that enables it to turn fight the F/A18 much better. that is if you ever get in a dog fight without missiles and both be trained equally. like that's ever gonna happen.
I don't think the Mig 29 has the same aoa as the hornet. If i'm not mistaken the mig has a 26 degree AoA limiter where as the hornet isn't AoA limited. The mig can of course bypass the flight control system and it's AoA limit but it's supposedly slugging once it gets slow where as the hornet is very nimble at slow speeds. The Mig does have pretty nose authority without the cobra button, but it's more of a point defense interceptor and rate fighter.
They are close enough within visual range that it's probably going to come down to the better pilot or particular circumstances at the merge, but outside of visual range the super hornet has a major advantage with it's superior aesa radar.
@@yujinhikita5611 That's assuming the Hornet pilot lets himself get duped into a rate fight. The Mig has a major disadvantage in that can't carry much fuel. If he's going to rate fight the hornet he's going to be sitting in full burner which will mean he is on the clock.
If I'm being honest, I'm biased. I've always liked the F/A-18.. especially, the Super Hornet. Combined with its superior avionics n more reliable ordnance, I believe it's the better plane. As far as I'm aware, alot of the MiG's super-maneouverability is dependent on payload n fuel carriage.
Beautiful jet fighers. Both of them. I can only imagine what airplane will come if the engineers of both companies will work together. I like the shape of the mig-29.
Typo at 2:45 should say 57,400ft for the MIG-29k also the FA-18 can be piloted solo or with a co-pilot. The single pilot is the F/A-18E and the dual pilots is the F/A-18F.
The FA-18 is not an all out fighter, it is a fighter bomber. It is, in fact, the first in its class to knock out an enemy plane and go on to successfully bomb a target.
Very true. FA-18 was never meant to be a brawler. She's competent of many, master of none.
@@patrolpilot3756 The F-14D would have been far better for the mission specs. But Dick Cheney had a hard on for Grumman.
@@shooter7a the f14 and 18 were both made by Grumman.
@@cyborgbadger1015 F-14 ---> Grumman. F-18 ---> McDonnell Douglas, now Boeing.
@@tonk4967 McDonnell Douglas bought the F/A-18 from Northrop I think, so he has a point.
Mig 29
Superhornet
As you said a fighter jet is as powerful as its pilot who is flying it.
With only 2000 hours of engine operation of the MiG-29 till heavy restoration it will be a miracle to see a plane flying after a while.
The Super Hornet replaced the Hornet. The Super Hornet's replacement - the F-18 Mega Hornet - will be operational in the next decade. The uber Mega Hornet is expected to be ready by 2040. Sadly, none of us will not be alive by the time the F-18 Ultra Super Mega Awesome Hornet is operational.
Thanks captain obvious :p
This is so sad.
F 35C is replacement of Super Hornet
@@marjanperveinis8355 r/whoosh × 1000
WAIT A MINUTE...!!!! My wife uses that phrase 'Super Mega Awesome' whenever she sees me nekkid! Are you seeing my wife dang it???
I’m surprised of the range and payload of the Russian aircraft. I thought aircraft not catapulted had limitations in payload and fuel load. Not to mention fuel load burn during take off.
It has limits that’s it’s max in total not from a carrier
Fokker Triplane vs. Sopwith Camel
Me-109 vs. Spitfire
F-86 Sabre vs. Mig-15
FA-18 Super Hornet vs MiG-29
same - same in each case, depends on tactical situation and pilot skill.
Can you do more Vs videos including Chinese, German, Japanese, South Korean and British military including Jets,Tanks,navy and special forces
Thanks
Perfect 👌🏻
What is instantaneous turn rate of f-18
Please compare the F22 and the Fokker DR3.
Both are just as deadly in the right hands and with proper support. Nod to both.
one thing to be said about it. i dont know much about either of these models seeing as im not much of an engineer or aerodynamics scientist or anything and the closest i can get to info on these is internet data and sims so not the 100% most effective sources of data but even watching Mil-flight sims i can say that super maneuverability isnt everything in a fight and may even be fatal in a fight if not used right. not saying it dosnt have its place but thats just it its a one off scenario if you do something like a post stall maneuver. especially seeing as the hornet is really good in high AoA fights aswell. i would venture to say that in the proper fight at the proper time either could score a close range kill if they employ their best skills. but i do like both airframes cause they both got their querks but still good comparison of the two. thumbs up for highlighting many of their good features
On which aircraft carrier are the mig29k
Mig 29 but i am a big fan of sukhoi su34 hell duck but never the less are both beautiful mashines
How is it better as interior weapons inferior radar larger RCs inferior carry weight and shorter range all in all it sucks
Both are great fighter jets 🇺🇸 ❤ 🇷🇺
Idd they are
Why do the show a reverse picture with the tower to port?
Super Bug ang Fulcrum both have HMD-Helmet Mounted Display are equally armed. Not with the legacy Bug, which doesnt have HMD
Legacy hornets aren't in service with the US Navy and they are not equally armed the aim-120 is superior to the r77 the super hornet also has Superior range
NICE COMPARATION
After all the best performance depends on the advance technology equipped and the arms capabilities in the fighter for the same war zone
Drones. Drones, and more drones. Screw "super maneuverabilty".
I think they are both extremely dangerous with the Russian possibly having the advantage during the dog fight but, the mission is to take each other out and the one who can see the opponents first, will have the first opportunity to accomplish the mission.
As principle, to accomplish the objectives, one must keep focused of the objetcs therefore (keep eyes on the ball) if one of the pilots cannot see the object or losses sight of it, he is less likely to accomplish such objectives.
F/A-18 Super hornet is most likely to accomplish it one on one.
The Americans have 608? That increases the possibility of taking the migs down 80%.
The title of this clip suggested that YOU should do this choice for me?
I’m talking about the block 3 though, not sure if you are
I like how they show the MiG parts sped up a bit and they showed the Hornet barely doing anything. I know for a fact that a Hornet with a good pilot is capable of much much more and can do pretty much anything the MiG can do and more.
Both amazing machines; it always comes down to the pilot. I have always heard that Russian planes have reliability issues, etc. But don't know how true that is. The SuperHornet has a bit of an edge when it comes to BVR range and may have more modern avionics.
Let's just pray to God in Heaven that we never have to find out which is better.
yeah brother a hornet with good pilot can take down horny aliens from intergalactical space ship.
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One is for show, the other is for war
The F/A-18 can have either 1 or 2 crew, based on the version of the plane (E/F)
After 40 years , I still believe in F14 Tomcat ;)
Engineering and technology revolution
Talk to me Goose😁😁
Agree
There are versions of the F-18 Super Hornet that are single seaters as well.
In real situation it's all depends by pilot. Both are beautiful aircrafts.
well if recent results are anything to go by with their tanks, the aerosols are absolutely crap when it comes to fighting an armed adversary.
The one factor in these style of videos can't account for is the skill and talent of the crew. And the corruption in the Russian military is so high that I wouldn't be shocked if these aircraft are under maintained
Depends on pilot skill, training, tactics and avionics.
Mig 29 is a beautiful plane!!
Can you compare the F-15 And the Su-27?
Between modern variations the f-15 has an advantage they're more or less equal if you go with each starting variant
@@spartanx9293 modern version of Su27 is Su35. so you compare, modern F15 with Su35
It's becoming a Radar/A.I. World. I'd go with the tech every time.
What's the advantage of backflips and drifting if I can see you before you see me?
IDK comparing F/A18 v MiG 29K Russian. Kutsnetsov never leaves port. Range advantage F/A18... Now comparing India's Rafale or 29 Carrier based...
As an experienced Air Intercept Controller with knowledge of systems and tactics that can't be discussed here, the MiG-29 would never get within range for maneuverability to be a factor. Flankers would be a challenge, but even those would find themselves on the defensive before they could close enough to engage.
Well german mig 29 had shotdown f18 before and nato members studied it and found the mig 29 has a major advantage over the f-18.
@@bear6284 That advantage was many years ago during testing after the cold war ended in the 1990's.
"Vympel R-73 (NATO reporting name AA-11 Archer) off-boresight short-range air-to-air missile, the MiG-29 Fulcrums had a clear advantage in dogfights over the Western counterpart, the US Air Force F/A-18 Hornet." That was 2 generations of missiles ago. The American avionics have greatly improved since then. Almost all engagements are BVR. I would bet on the F-18.
@@stuartwiner7920 but the mig 29 is still a better dogfighter due to its manueverability. Do you know wich country has best electronic warfare systems?
@@bear6284 Maneuverability is less important in beyond-visual-range engagements. Avionics and missiles are more important. That's why the West usually wins.
@@stuartwiner7920 has the west ever fought russia before no so how doe the west always win . Also just answer if you know wich country excel and is in number 1 in electronic warfare .
It's really with the pilots at this point
It all depends on the Pilot's skill How very true !!
Fighting each other from long distance I give the edge to the Super Hornet as it has superior radar and avionics. The American pilots would most likely use tactics that would keep them outside of the Migs killing range and shoot first in this scenario.
Mig-29K has R77-1's. Range is similar to AIM-120D.
@@appa609 The missile has similar range, but you have to detect your target before you can lock-on and launch. The MiG-29 is unable to support the weapon to it's full range.
Probably depend from the pilot (in visual range)
The Super Hornet combined with a Top Gun pilot is almost unbeatable unless they are going against a stealth fighter like the SU-57
well they would actually have to build more than 3 su57 s to ever find out lol
Like you said it depends on the pilot how much stress and he put on his body
Can you make what fighter jet is better mig 35 or f 35
Clearly the f-35
Clearly su35😂😂😂😂
@@sankalpsuryavanshi4788 enjoy your outdated radar missles and electronic warfare systems and missles I'll stick with best
Isn't the mig can also carry r77?
Russia is a very low on them
its is possible
I think they could also use the R-27's.
The Mig 29K has problems with it's wings, the folding feature is weak and limits the g-loading. The K isn't capable as the land-based version.
The carrier is also a limitation. The skijump launching limits the load of the jet, either fuel or weapons have to be reduced.
Mig-35 is the real monster version
The electronics specifications you gave are a bit off bruh.
Wow 😲 the MIG is very impressive
We are all going to get that answer soon.
Based on what I've seen the Blue Angels do, my dough is on the F/A-18's ...
I like the f-18 but honestly think the mig would win
Mig29 has no chance
The Hornet is the Swiss Army knife of aerial combat however the Russian is hands-down the winner
Mig-29 !!!
the Super Hornet also has both 1 seat and 2 seat varients
Its all up to pilot training, seat time if you will ....advantage FA18 because US pilots get almost double the flight hours in training.
both❤️
How did I not know Mig-29s are capable of carrier operations this entire time?
When it only aircraft carrier was in service back in 2018 the mig-29 could only take off with 1/2 its fuel and weapons load but could refuel in air, but still down 50% weapons before the fight starts.
The last part with the pilots skills made a great point about the capabilities of any aircraft. And reminds me of an incident where really only the pilots skills could have been the reason for the kill. An old mig-21 had shot down a Pakistani f-16 a while back. And for those saying US aviators are better than Russian aviators just because of the top gun academy, you really need to get your facts checked because the Indian mig-21 pilot had been trained and taught by Russians. Just as it would be a challenge- but not impossible for 4+ gen fighter jets to engage and even down 5th generation fighters. The f-16 was a 4+ generation fighter while the mig-21 was a 3rd generation fighter jet
only missing "vector push"........
Migs need a good jamming suite.
Not up to date. The major determining factor in a modern dog fight is not maneuverability. It is who gets range first.
Both quick and maneuverable. I just thing the f18 has Superior weapons and it's non aerodynamic stability allows it to turn sharper then the mig
Oh yes the hundreds of Hornets V’s a few Mig 29’s…..🤦🏻♂️
The mig-29k arrived in 2010 but that air frame was designed in 1977,
It's a matter of who has a thousand of them in the air
A diferença vai ser no piloto.
Your info is slightly incorrect. While the MiG has a max weight it NEVER takes off from the carrier with that full weight, they are always fitted with lighter loads and less fuel than their stats indicate because they have to be able to get off the Russian carriers. They may be more maneuverable, but with less fuel by the time they see the Hornet they will be so low on gas that they wont be able to make any fancy maneuvers before they're running on empty...
russia doesnt use these on carriers lmao tf you on
Equally Scary 😧
jut a tiny request, use Km instead of miles please,
Idk how russia has one of the biggest navies when they literally have 1 aircraft carrier and a handful of surface combatant ships I know they have a large amount of submarines but by comparison to the US's navy size its not even close especially on the surface
French Leclerc vs German Leopard (Tanks) :: French Tiger vs American Apache (Helicopters)
I'll say F/A-18. It also looks better
Well look at gulf war 1, 2 hornets were bombed up for ground attack, they were vectored onto 2 mig 29’s. They dispatched the Migs then continued their ground attack sortie.
Everyone In the comment: *both*
It flies at mach 1.8 and climbs at 44,000 feet per minute
what navy is that weird carrier in in the intro?
U.S.
@@mattk9644 why is the deck the other way around?
Well! I can say they are both equal.
The F 18 is not an air Dominus fighter they have 35 an F 22 would be escorting them through a country like Russia comparison it’s not accurate due to the fact F 18 is a bomb delivery aircraft with a couple air defense missiles
See first kill first. No one dog fights anymore.
The American pilots have a huge training advantage over their Russian counterparts. Unless you are a Russian pilot flying in one of their two flight demonstration teams, your actual training time in the air is significantly less than American pilots. The Russian GDP just can’t support both the equipment procurement costs and aggressive training hours. Advantage Super Hornet.
100% correct. But the Super Tomcat F-14D was a far better choice than the F-18.
@@shooter7a Tomcats are always the best choice! But for a comparative video, the Tomcat vs SU-27 is more apt. Cheers!
And as we're finding out once again, Russian military equipment is junk.
F-14 was a sexy beast! It’s wings able to adjust to different speeds . Such a good aircraft would love to see a more up to date or even a stealth f-14
The Russian military is fraught with corruption issues. They can't even maintain their equipment, much more get sufficient
training.
Pretty sure the pilot's in each make the difference?
while the 29 are falling off the sky by Stingers, Fat chance trying to down an18 with it.