TransTec - 10R80 Ford 10-speed Transmission Teardown
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2018
- Today in our #TransmissionTeardown, we're disassembling a #10R80, typically found in #FordMustang, #F150, #Expedition, #LincolnNavigator models years 2017+. Tearing it down to determine what sealing components you're going to need when this 10-speed unit shows up in your shop. Check it out!
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I dont want to be a mechanic anymore after watching this video. thank you.
Would’ve been a better video if you could hear what they were saying.
Great video and excellent details
Thank you
Thank you! We should have some new video & applications soon, keep watching!
The fact that someone had to design every single piece of this is actually an achievement that most people dont even think about or even comprehend that 10 years ago this wasnt commercially viable and 20 years ago this was in the realm of "I wonder what kind of crazy new shit is on the horizon"...
Not to say a good old fashioned 5 speed isnt good but damn...
Someone did design every piece, but it was many different people. It's not like one guy sat there doing the whole thing.
Don't forget that in the 50's the Hydramatic came out which is still being made and used today. Back then they didn't have computer tools like today, which makes it even more amazing what they did back then. This new transmission still uses the basic design of those early automatics.
Man they are just adding too, the intelligent person was the one that designed the first one.. every since then people are adding to his brilliant work.
Very cool transmission. Everyone will find things to complain about, but this is by far more technologically advanced that previous transmissions and can handle much more power. It will last longer than transmissions that have come before it too. It's insane how efficient they are as well. Proven through TFL Truck's dyno test with an f250 showing less than a 15% drive train loss. Insane number!
You out of your dam mind. Speaking from experience it a pos.
We take them apart a bit more carefully.
yep that one is never going back together
00:35 Pan Removal
02:30 Filter Removal
03:10 Valve Body Removal
05:30 Pump/Start-Stop Removal
07:17 Case Connector Removal
08:00 Manual Lever Disassembly
10:15 Pump Cover Removal
13:15 A,B Brake Housing Removal
23:20 C,D,E,F Clutch Housing Removal
31:20 E-Clutch Disassembly
37:48 D-Clutch Disassembly
40:35 C Clutch Disassembly
43:30 F-Clutch Disassembly
48:50 Valve Body Disassembly
1:00:28 Pump Disassembly
1:04:15 Start-Stop Disassembly
This is under appreciated!! ❤❤❤
Thabks for the video. I have 2 questions.
1. Is it a "regular torque converter" trans?
2. Where is lovated the thermostat? I have track overheat issue and I'm exploring thermostat option (together with bugger cooler. ) thanks.
I'm familiar with some of the older 3 and 4 speed overdrive gearboxes so this was a visual treat to see where the technology has gone.
Let's see....
1. It's hard to tell but it looks like most of the planetary carriers are aluminum. They are fairly large though, so hopefully they can handle the torque without cracking or galling.
2. Many of the clutch packs have cushion plates between the steels to soften the shift (I guess the wiz-bang software learning wasn't enough).
3. No center support design. That's an interesting touch and thankfully it comes with ball bearings on the end to carry the extra weight of a larger rotating assembly. This helps keep the transmission relatively short, at the cost of larger diameter.
4. Main drum shell is aluminum but if you look closely, you'll notice the steel clutch plates that ride against it are fairly thick. This was probably an effort to prevent the steels from cutting into the softer aluminum. With no center support or front pump, they had where to take length from to make room for thicker steels.
5. The front oil pump was moved down low to shorten the overall length of the transmission, and make it easier to fit a variable displacement style pump. The variable displacement vane pump is also lined with what is hopefully hardened, wear resistant steel (not riding on any aluminum - don't laugh, I have no doubt they considered that option).
6. The rear pump is driven by a brushless DC motor with integrated inverter (reminds me of tesla's traction motors...heh, or a computer fan).
7. Input shaft has some pretty large holes bored through and I'm guessing it's to handle all the oil that has to flow through it. Lots of clutches and gears to feed.
8. Plastic oil pan...sigh. I guess that's what they call progress.
9. Internal wiring harness that can be replaced as an assembly whenever the external connector breaks (and it will).
10. I'm impressed they still have a mechanical range selector.
Overall, not as mechanical complicated as I thought it would be. But when you're doing friction to friction shifting (the cheat-code of slushboxes), you can get away with that. I can also see why they are having so many technical problems with this. I drove an F150 for a while with this transmission and I would say it was ok, but not great.
David we are glad you liked it. Stay tuned we are always tearing down new applications as part of R & D process!
Precision Transmission makes everyone else look like a newbie
can i mix the ulv atf valvoline and mercon ulv?
I’m looking to replace my Neutral safety switch. Can you tell me where it is located/ what time stamp? (2019 F150 xlt)
it to a metal base n got it all jumped up .I got an Orginal plastic pan fixed n it won’t go reverse or neutral .it automatically moves to drive gear n drive ?please I need some good advice.really frustrated
Whats making th1st to second gear slip in this trans
Where’s the audio?
were do you get tranny seals from?
Really no sound! WTF!
Going crazy to find what's wrong with phone..grrrr
Where is the audio
I have a 2019 Mustang GT with the 10R80. Its been acting funny. cruising at 45mph and its in 10th gear. Go to hit the gas and it wont kick down. I cant tell if it kicked down or not but I literally have to press the accelerator to the floor in order to force it into overdrive. its not everytime that it does this but its becoming more frequent. Random hard shifts from 1st to 2nd gear and 1 time there was a delay going into reverse.
Ricardo Biker did you bring it to ford? If so, what was the fix?
@@southernrailfanning5516 The issue for my 19 GT PP1 with the 10R80 was a half quart of transmission oil. Just ask the dealer if they can check it out for you. It's a known issue and a super easy quick fix and get them to reset the ECU learning on the transmission and try not to drive like that for a week and let the system just learn your normal driving first. The transmission will self learn and adjust. I learned this the hard way having too much fun before I took it in for that oil check and reset.
Plenty of forums point this way and I was led in that direction with great success. Also. You need to let the car warm up on cold starts. That especially when I experienced that slow to shift issue 1 to 2. Easy solution. Let her warm and get that oil tapped off.
After watching this I’m sticking with my TH350 transmission
Why is there no sound?
What’s up with the rear pump electric? rear pumps allowed push starting but what good would that do if it’s electric? Maybe a prelube/soakback pump if so very nice design That main pump is awful small much smaller than a 4l60
It's for engine auto stop start. The electric pump runs when the engine shuts off to hold the transmission in drive so it's ready to go as soon as the driver lifts off the brake pedal and the engine restarts. The primary pump is engine driven so it shuts off with the engine. Some transmissions use accumulators instead to quickly reapply clutches when the engine restarts but electric pumps are smoother because the clutches never disengage.
What is that stator support thing where the pump is supposed to be? looks like it has an apply piston a stator support a pump gear drive and possibly 2 planetary gear sets? Would like to see that taken apart very strange transmission
The pump is gear driven in the pan. It is the piece that this “genius” had fall out when he pulled the main control, it had the gear with the white plastic shroud on it. Was also humorous he left the start stop pump attached by the feed tube... typical engineers disassembling things they have no idea how to reassemble is what this looked like.
Hi there big Boss
Good job
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Please are have the place ?
that save @ 23:42
What is up with the whine that these 10r80s make on the f150s when you accelerate you really here it driving through parking lots and places where you have sound bouncing off things or if I'm sitting still let's say warming the truck up and I slightly press the gas it whines could it be the pump does anybody know anything about it? It bugs the shit out of me it sounds so damn stupid but I will say I am overall very disappointed with this trans it seems jerky also seems to shudder a little when I go to speed up I dont know whether it's just how it is or if ford just did not refine this thing enough to pair with their trucks good enough
Michael Mayfield i have a 2019 Mustang GT with this trans. I also feel a slight shudder when it shifts between certain gears...
I'm not 100% sure about this, do some more research but I think I read somewhere that the transmission pump has straight cut gears which is causing the whine
Vane-style oil pumps tend to make a whine noise. Probably why they went with an off-axis oil pump design. Moving it down into the oil pan might help suppress the noise a bit more than if it were part of the stator assembly.
IDENTICAL TO GM 10L90
Dealer just dropped the pan and changed my valve assembly due to rough shifts. They only replaced 10 quarts of fluid. I thought this trans took 13 quarts. Can anyone confirm? 2019 F-150.
Capacities
Vern, Yes you are correct! It takes 13 quarts, but keep in mind the transmission fluid amount listed is for a completely dry transmission and torque converter. When draining the transmission fluid from the transmission for maintenance or repairs, the fluid fill amounts will vary
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Yep only way to get the oil out of the converter is to pull the whole thing out or do a flush.
No sound??
Does anyone else have the "clunking" issue with their ford 10 speed ? I have it in my 2019 5.0, it has the shutter between 1st and 3rd gear and then an occasional clunk sound during start up. Just curious if anyone else has had this and was able to get it fixed
Mine clunks on startup fairly regularly.
They swear it's all good.
5.0 sounds like it's got chains flopping around in it. Now they're calling that spark knock.
Raptor. Every single time when engine is hot. Loud clunking form rear of drive shaft.
I do but I have warranty until 120k miles. I have 38k now so I'm just going until it no longer works.
Get a good tune from somebody like MPT, 5 star, brew city boost, all motor labs, OZ tuning or any other well known Ford F150 tuner and it’ll be night and day. Ford really dropped the ball big time on their tuning of this transmission. Aftermarket tuners, quality ones anyway, fix it. I have a tune from 5 star and my 10R80 shifts like butter now. Plus the stupid 1-3-5 skip shift is gone (you can choose to leave it though if you want).
@@cfltitan I'll probably go that route after my transmission gets repaired under warranty. 26,000 on 2020 F150, and it's got a wicked 1-2 slip, as well as erratic shifting. I seriously doubt that's getting fixed with any type of software update, if there's even one available. My guess is a valve body issue, probably requiring replacement. Once that shit gets fixed, I'm getting it tuned. I'm not so much concerned about power as the 5.0 has more than I need, but that factory shift strategy is garbage. I'm not a fan of that 10R80 right now, but maybe a tune will change my mind some.
No sound?
No sorry, no sound. We are always trying to improve, in the future. Any questions we can answer for you?
that makes a 4L60E look Easy.....
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It just makes you want to stick your shitbox or get a cvt transmission😭
Well looks like the electrical will get replaced on every rebuild imagine how it will look like at 100,000 plus miles. All those speed sensors solenoids contaminated from friction & steel wear!!! Valve body wear from all that shifting through 10 speeds. Stop & go traffic will be HELL for this transmission. Why not put a gear split option for extra gears like turning a knob for 4x4. I know traveling state to state is nice. But Hawaii we stop & go a lot cool vid tho!!
it doesnt shift every gear every time. it skips sets. 1-3-6-8-10 instead of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Lessee, aluminum shells with clutches and steels running directly on aluminum splines. Moving seals running durectly on aluminum surfaces. You don't rebuild this transmission, you throw it away and install a new one. Fortunately, the electronics should allow them to last the life of the vehicle, maybe 250-300k miles. Gotta love modern automobiles; soft, comfortable, every convenience and gadget, and all of it made to be thrown away. Gotta keep the fat bonuses rolling in to the CEO's and make sure the UAW keeps getting their $60/hr, I suppose.
So Right & The Truth Thanks
Aluminum transmission cases with steel clutches and shells isn't new. And those transmissions are easily rebuilt over and over again. They only time they're destroyed is when the owner hears strange noises or has strange transmission issues and does nothing about it.
In the 40's you were doing good to get 40K miles (according to my dad who owned a 39 Buick and worked on it himself). In the 60's 100K was considered high milage and 200K was something you bragged about (I was there!). Today 150K is low milage and people think nothing of 300K+. Today cars last longer than ever before, so if they are throw away today, what were they in the good old days?
I wish the UAW got $60 hr…. Average top pay is around $30 hr.
you don't know much do you it's a good transmission
Just disappointed no volume but point on video gives 8.5 stars
There's a Class Action lawsuit filed for this 10r80 transmission, and Ford is STILL putting this transmissions in there trucks.
Yep. Atf pump gear keeps losing their theeth.
Ford and GM built that together Ford 10R80 GM 10L80
I can’t here what he is saying
Jason unfortunately this video has no sound. Please let us know if you have any questions.
A video without commentary is useless.
OMG!!! it looks too complicated to repair scares me.
Stalker 80 Drop the wrench and move away from the car.
@@catlady8324 😂 very slowly.. in a slightly squatted fashion. Like a western stand off in reverse. Put the crescent wrench down! Lol
No wonder electric cars will be the future ... one gear reduction vs this ... too many moving parts
Wildman .... the modules? The high voltage circuits? What are you referring to? Horses were around for thousands of years before ICE vehicles ... I have never owned a horse . Electric motors are everywhere. Try using your gas powered drill today ... hmmmm .... well I have worked and played with gas powered vehicles for well over 19 years now and they were fun but they are getting dated . I’ve rebuilt engines and transmissions in my day and I still work on my gas vehicles from time to time but they are too expensive to operate ... gas and maintenance on ICE cars are a becoming an expensive case for me for example I have to replace my 3 CAT converters in my SUV 1500 dollars ... my transmission oil is 50 dollars a quart . .... I drive over 60k miles a year . Old people die ... technology evolves ... Ice cars will soon fade with time... but I still appreciate the fun I had with gas chuggers.... and for those idiots who say you can’t modify electric cars ... that’s stupid... high capacity capacitors will be the nitrous of the electric cars not to mention adding more battery modules, reducing weight in body , or changing your final drive.
Funny... I hold a degree in electronics engineering ... explain away I’ll try to keep up ... I’ve worked on vehicles for a long as I’ve explained so fill me in on mechanical breakdown as well.
That’s cute ... the degree is a (EET) electrical also known as an electronic engineering technology degree nice try though . Tesla is a good introduction to the electrical power train ... it is a luxury car company that is helping battery powered vehicles get ahead for larger scale operations... where I have I heard that battery packs are too expensive .... hmmmm oh yea around the early 2000’s from the Prius ... and now you can buy them refurbished ... now where else can you recycle your battery for credit hmmmm oh yea lead acid.... with large ramp up of a product you will achieve lower cost ... and as far as cost of ownership for an ice car I have a combined mileage of around 220 k for two of my vehicles in the past 3 years with gas / oil changes , filters , brake pads, emission bs , belts, it would be around 30k in expenses ... And the expenses will only get worst for my ICE car .... you talk about battery packs being expensive ... have you ever priced a modern engine and transmission from a modern vehicle if those go out and out of warranty? Let’s take another 100k car like a Tesla the drive train on an Nissan GT-R is around 40k for a new motor and trans ... don’t believe me call your local Nissan dealer ... not enough ? I have very common drive train on my Acura ... bare engine components for the engine alone and not even complete engine is around 8 grand alone if your trans goes with it that’s more likely another 4 grand . And that’s just for common 40k car ...full engine and trans is more likely going to run you 15k for parts alone (and don’t give me I can find one in junk yard business since we are talking new here) >>> see for yourself www.acuraoemparts.com/auto-parts/2016/acura/mdx-5-door/tech-trim/9-speed-automatic-engine/engine-cat/engine-assy-transmission-assy-3-5l-2-scat
Maybe every one should buy a used trans am with ram air .... bahahhahaha
Take a look@ this guy he clearly doesnt know what he's doung he like to never got rhe valve body off of it,I was a master trans tech and trans shop owner, Former center manager AAMCO Transmission
Battery packs cost more than transmission rebuilds, and they need to be replaced from time to time also. In a few years, costs may come down, but as it stands right now, the savings from less complexity is countered by the higher cost of components.
This is a waste of resource,they had a 4 spd transmission in late 50s the hydramatic shifted without feeling it shift a coupler accomplished this in reality a lousy transmission,dual coup h matic&Roto h matic ... the powerglide outlived them all until the TH350&400 came.. then the lockup converter gave us fits, then the 4L60 came along(700R4). Actually the 4L60E was a better unit. I'm glad I'm retired this one looks like what nightmares are made of...😋
These transmissions are garbage. 26,000 miles on my 2020 F150, and it's going back to the dealer today for a severe 1-2 slip, as well as erratic shifting. If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably a valve body issue, but we'll see. There are numerous report of these transmissions having premature failure issues. Over-engineered trash.
you're going to be surprised what's wrong with it. not what you think.
Wtf is this guy doing..?