Throne of Eldraine w/ Reid Duke and Melissa DeTora | Game Knights 30 | Magic the Gathering Gameplay
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Show Notes:
Jimmy and Josh face some stiff competition on this episode!
Magic Pro (and soon-to-be Hall of Famer) Reid Duke joins the show, along with former pro and current Magic game designer Melissa DeTora, for an epic battle with the brand-new Brawl preconstructed decks from Throne of Eldraine.
It's Chulane vs Syr Gwyn vs Alela vs Korvold.
Who will emerge victorious?! ONLY ONE MAY STAND!!
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Reid Duke:
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Melissa DeTora
Twitter: @MelissaDeTora
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Editors: Terry Robertson, Josh Murphy, Jake Boss
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Reid the whole game : "I was really hoping to untap with that"
Imagine making pro players play with ETB tapped lands lol
That's playing Jund in general, I find :P
Fuck, I laughed. Am I the weird hairy dad of the playgroup now?
THat was no a witty "Rebuttal" for this comment, but I do hope you have a great day nonetheless.
You literally just described the commander format. Especially if you are a timmy like me and you play a lot of token decks
Really looking forward to seeing Reid again in John Wick: Chapter 4
TenTiggers ah I wasnt alone in seeing it haha
Hmm..he actually reminds me of the actor from the arrow TV show 🤔
He even has a similar voice
Really though. Beard and voice
If they don’t do a bit with him in a Reeves role that’s an opportunity missed.
Reid having the time of his life playing a multiplayer casual format is the most wholesome thing.
kk urs kiN
exactly his hapiness is contagious
Josh, Melissa, and Reid: playing magic
Jimmy: AcTiVate My FaiRiE FoRmAtiOn
What did he even do with all those cards?
@@michaelogara9056 Use them as lands to activate more FAiRiE FOrMAtiOn
I knew this would be in the comments somewhere 😂😂😂
I could be imagining this, but Melissa seemed a little disappointed he didn’t want to play more of the cards she helped design. xD
"Are we gonna see him knocked out this early in the game?" --- 40 minutes into video
Turn 28 sir XD
Yeah the acting was really bad
Me (after that comment)- looks like this is another 2 game episode.
JW is just so meh
Jimmy gave it away when he said "make a big play card like Josh just did" before we actually saw the play. Kind of funny though
I would love to see Reid play Commander with his own brew.
Unfortunately he has no interest in Commander and the only way they could convince him to even get on screen to play was playing with pre-made decks (since he didn't want to make a deck for a format he doesn't care for). :(
Andrei Palihovici I know, but maybe after this he might reconsider. He might not mind cEDH. Seems at least more fitting.
@@adipalihovici Plus Reid isn't the best innovater/deckbuilder. He is best at improving decks and playing to the meta.
Andrei Palihovici you know this how?
@@shooorelse Yeah, I feel like its really weird how they wrote this, has Reid even said all of these things?
I really enjoyed how they edited korvold to say frog cursed king when he was frogified, that made my day
Sean Clark “ribbit” 🤣🤣🤣
Clark is my name too
Dragon cursed King is cursed again into a frog. What a funny coincidence.
This is the awesome thing about the precons. The evenness in power level makes the games a wonderful back-and-forth. Awesome job designing them, Melissa.
they stalemated and board wiped the majority of the game KEKW
Game knights inspired drinking game: take a shot every time someone says "this is really scary" in this video
As I read this, Jimmy started talking about something really scary
or some type of statement "this makes me happy" it honestly feels like shilling for these products.
To be fair, at least in the groups I typically play in, this is how most games go
YES LET'S GET DRUNK!
I died doing this. Thanks...
"Korvold, Frog-Cursed King". That got me.
I thought it was going to be Korvold, fae-cursed Frog
Frog Cursed Bellamy
This game can be summed up by the phrase: "Okay, I'm going to activate my Faerie Formation."
I kinda hoped they would have built commander decks out of these instead of just the precons.
Daniel Amade shit was about to type this same thing 👍🏻 because idk it's a commander channel 🤷🏼♂️
Agreed
Especially when the commandzone bring on pros for gameplay, I wanna see the spice they can dish out
I actually think the commanders are pretty sweet and I would loved to see them play them in commander but instead we got this pile. Reid Duke is a pretty amazing deck builder and you hamstringed him by making him play a trash precon.
Gotta shill out.
I died when I realized they edited Korvold later in the game to say "Korvold, Frog-Cursed King" 😂
I only just realized that reading your comment.
Ribbit.
"This is very scary"
Every reaction to everything.
200th like
Reid was such a treat, hes an outstanding guest and a wholesome player. Im glad we got to see him.
Reid is my favorite magic player, I was so excited when i saw him on your show. He also didn't disappoint and played jund!
This channel has inspired me to start playing magic again and collecting the cards. Shows that ANYONE can play, including girls.
I live in England, in a city where girls don’t really play card/board games so I always thought it was shameful and embarrassing to collect cards. But this channel helped me realise that it’s okay to be different when it comes to hobbies and gaming!
Amazing channel, love watching you guys. Also, because you explain everything you’re doing, it makes the idea of playing a lot less intimidating and scary 👌🏻🤙🏻🐺
The editing and animations just keep getting better. That "korvold, frog cursed king" at 1:07:44 is just precious.
Complete with flavor text.
"Ribbit."
asdf: hi, i baked you a pie
melissa: oh boy, what flavour
duke: shimmering dragon
Reid: "Wake up Kid, we got a board to burn."
Ugh i wanted to see full Commander decks of these. Maybe a future episode?
100% they won't.
Never gunn happen
This is the single most entertaining game of commander I have witnessed. These decks are so intricately designed and, man, watching pros play is really something else.
Man I just want a home brew episode of really any format more than just so many precon videos.
Edit - also I hate it when they all overreact to the power level of a precon card just appease wizards. (ie. some trash cards hits the table, Everyone: Whooooooah, what a strong card)
i agree, not very creative...
Same here. Shake it up a lil
I mean when everyone is playing precons it shifts the power level do cards that are normally bad become pretty strong
They removed the top comment which was complaining about the same thing... im lowkey pissed they remove criticism rather than respond to it
I dunno. I'd take this episode anytime over that overpowered and unfun shitshow with Amaz and MTGNerdGirl a while back.
I see a lot of negative comments on this video and there are a couple of things I would like to address.
First of, just a small reminder that their first "tie-in to the most recent set" legends game was episode 4 of GameKnight. And the Archennemy Bolas was episode 7. So the good old days lots of people are talking about aren't really a thing I feel. And if you mean still legends from recent sets but homebrewed on top of it, last one was two episodes ago. So it's pretty safe to say those are going to come back and continue.
I understand the frustration because GK don't come out that often due to the pretty big production quality (I noticed a lot of improvement on feedback of effects and animation in this episode so it's something they are improving to this day). But at the same time I was making the observation that this show is really accessible to newcomers. GK was actually what got me into EDH in the first place and that was thanks to the editing and way they explain each move. And recently my little sister got her first precon edh deck and I was happy to have a gameknight episode that would showcase it so that she would learn how the deck works. That's why I really don't mind those types of videos because it shows that they will put the same amount of effort into a video for veteran edh players than in one for new players for which these brawl precons might be the first edh like experience they'll get before building a more refined edh deck.
For me GameKnight also means accessible. And I have trouble getting into some other edh shows on youtube because I'm relatively new to the game (a bit more than a year) and don't know all the cards. And if I want someone to get a feel of what edh is I will point them to this channel because I know it is accessible. And for that, I'm glad they make videos on format that are less overwhelming to newcomers like Brawl is. It can be a gate opened to edh, but it's easier to pick up for someone who just started out thanks to the limited cardpool.
So yeah "The sponsorship is ruining gameknight" I guess. But I know that if a friend, who never played magic, is interested in getting into it, I might tell them to start with a brawl precon, watch this video and then show them how they can upgrade the deck for edh. And that's important in my eyes too.
So I'm thankful to the team. Because having their likable personality be a showcase for these makes it a pleasure even for me who enjoys more complicated homebrewed edh decks. And it gives me a good way to get friends or family into the game more easily. That's why I still loved this episode ^^
Thanks everyone for making this such an enjoyable presentation! It's great seeing you all having fun while showcasing the subtle nuances of combat mechanics and giving us insight into your strategies.
"Sir Duke"? Does he have a name or is he good enough he just needs titles?
Eric Schmalzried You have a name because you don’t know yourself, I don’t have a name because I know who I am.
- That Black Cat Thing
Also, this must be how Modern players feel looking at standard players lol
Nah, it's more like the way Legacy players feel looking at Standard and Modern players.
Pretty much yeah.
*Standard Player sees a 6 drop: hmmm seems like a decent bomb. Definitely playable.
*Modern Player sees a 6 drop: Why doesn't this say primeval titan? Get this garbage out of here.
its more like looking at your favourite modern streamer suddenly playing a bad standard challenger deck
@@ichiel1898 The decks are not that bad tho. For a deck that restricted to standard environment, the decks are decent. Not super powerful or anything, but definitely not bad. (Also, Melissa made them)
44:22 you’ll notice Jimmy was supposed to gain a life but they did the effect on Reed
Lol
Having people like Reid and Melissa play Brawl precons is like giving Michael Schumacher a go-kart to drive.
I disagree: I really enjoy seeing how good players make decisions with casual decks. Watching Reid Duke using Golgari Findbroker prioritize making a land drop, as just one example, was really instructive.
@@jqxok I mean, not saying it wouldn't be amazing to watch Schumacher pilot a go-kart and see what he can do with it, just that it would be a lot cooler to see the pro players use their experience to go wild with their decks. deck building is one of the main factors that define the better magic player after all.
I might be the minority here but i really don't care what format they're playing. It's the interaction between the players and the production quality what differs game knights fron other random edh gameplayvideos imo.
Love the show. Keep going!
I love how happy Reid is this whole game, I'd love to see him again in another episode of game knights or extra turns.
16:24 "and that will bring me to knight-teen" Nice one Josh, nice one...
Always kill Josh. That's my advice. He always finds a way out of sticky situations somehow. Love it!
He reminds me of a Sith Lord with how he manipulates the board,always playing the thoughtful player but with a hidden agenda of actually winning the game.
@@oddjob4212 precisely!
love the detail on this channel, “frog cursed king”
oh jimmy forgot to draw a card when he cast beanstalk giant lol
I think that was the third issue this game? All in all not bad, considering how long they played
Reid forgot to kill smothering tithe before it gets a million mana
Is wizards making you play the precons out of the box? These game knights episodes feel like they're missing a core aspect of what makes these entertaining, you don't have the personal expression of the decks people make.
10/10 icon mate
Yes, they are promoting the products
Originally "Game Knights" was called "Out of the box" and for the first episodes they were playing exclusively Commander precons even when Wizards' sponsorship wasn't even on the horizon. I personally don't mind precon play in the slightest, in fact the Commander Anthology edition was the craziest and most fun of them all IMO.
Ирина Радчук these aren’t even real commander decks though. No one actually plays brawl.
@@jakeapplegate6642 They are well built though. For what the limited pool of cards allowed Melissa and her team actually made pretty good, focused decks with a decent cardpool if you're looking for some value(as long as your LGS is not ripping you off)
You guys should do a game where you upgrade the precons from this or M19, or a game where everyone has $100 to buils their deck, and go crazy, because A) the brawl precons are generally terrible, and B) A lot of Josh Staples are really high price, like Vedalken Orrery, hovering around $20, and Rhystic Study, around $15-20. It might help players, such as myself, who have a really tight budget.
BUMP! Game Knights- this could serve both masters, your audience and your sponsors!
Thats a pretty smart idea tbh Except if i wanna make a horror deck thats gonna be tough
JLK and JW, I just wanted to say that I appreciate the Game Knights podcasts and Game Knights Commander episodes so much! These episodes have been instrumental in helping me feel more educated and confident with things like understanding how different mechanics of the game work, and especially at what stages of a turn those effects would occur! Props to both of you for all of your hard work and helping the community be better at MTG!
this game was amazing! bravo!!!! so much fun to watch!! I'm so interested now to start playing brawl, so glad I found this channel last week! been loving watching all these old episodes to fill in free time!
love the show, don't love the precons :(. homebrew next time?
(edit)
bring back Reid and let him bring his own deck, I'd love to see how he builds.
besides that, it was kinda frustrating to watch Josh flounder for most of the episode. wouldn't have happened with a better built deck...
I had the same experience with Knights brawl deck as Josh did, it's just terrible, so very A+B and regretfully super cluncky because of it - I constantly found myself creature-screwd and usless equipment-flooded! The Fairy deck was just the opposite, such an elegant and smooth-running engine, a true joy to pilot!
The fairy deck and knight decks have too many themes that they want to do but the fairy one is so much better at it imo. Like Syr Gwyn should probably be built voltron but to really make use of that triggered attack you want to be knight tribal??? However, if like she had whenever you cast an equipment you create a knight token and her last ability only worked on non-token knights then at least you have targets for all that equipment you are running. It's defo a cool card design but just kinda clunky.
The deck just needs improvements for the other cards. The commander and concept itself is great
"Food is cool" - Reid Duke
I love you guys playing with the precons that we can get our hands on. It gives me new ways to look at the decks and different ideas for value engines in a deck that I thought only had one engine. Seeing all these strengths and weaknesses allows me to augment these decks without, you know, actually having to do the work.
Wonderful episode😍
Just a small note: one the deepest part of magic is creating decks and discovering new and/or sweet interactions, isn't asking a professional player to play a preconstructed deck a bit restrictive? We can't see their/his full potential...
Reid Duke is not the first, the same had happened in the past with Brian Kibler ... So sad we can't see what they can create...
Could we get more free deck building in commander for the players?
When you open up youtube and see the new Game Knights was uploaded a few seconds ago you know you're in for a good day
But then its brawl
@@netahamiel4304 still a entertaining episode to watch though
One of my favorite episodes. Reid is such a class act, and such a great player. 10/10 would watch Reid play commander/brawl again...
Thanks so much for another great vid. You did nit only teach me how to play the game properly but you also helped me gain a lot of friends. You basically fixed my life.
Game Knights: Damn we are playing these cool Brawls decks with these cool cards!
Me: those do look pretty cool! Maybe I'll buy one!
WOTC: hahaha nah
Just move to new zealand, we're in no shortage here, 20USD a pop lol
They should be available at Walmart or Gamestop. I got two today for $21 USD.
Whoa anyone else notice Jimmy's Spirited Away T-shirt?!?! That's awesome man!
The new generals are amazing, but....the precon brawl deck...sucks
I really disapointed
I agree that it would be best if you used decks that aren’t precons, but Reid was a great guest, and he added a lot. He was fun to watch and really got into the spirit of the game. So, long story short, build your own decks and invite Mr. Duke back.
Everytime I watch Command Zone, it leave thinking it's my favorite episode. This one, of course, topped the last. Great content!
Never clicked faster on a video! I just saw Duke and korvold in the thumbnail and i said "gosh, i have to see this video and i have to do it NOW!". Basically my favorite player playing my favorite format with my favorite deck archetype, what a dream 🤩
Precons to pros AGAIN? Cmon guys, this is not bad obviously but there is soooo much wasted potential
I think something that a lot of people miss is that these pros are used to playing standard, not commander. So in that sense, playing brawl makes a little more sense for them since it's just that one step closer to what they know how to play the best.
Nope I agree 10,000%. However, if you design Brawl Precons, and you do not win.... (end of sentence went missing, still searching)
I was more impressed with Reid ACTUALLY playing to win in the early game... kinda like a more purposeful decision. Just happy only some were playing showmanship, and others said "let's play Magic like I know what I am doing"
Well better than the game nights box, I mean what the odds they are going to play the next game nights box 2019
Melissa thank you so much for such incredible cards and concepts! You're the best and I love all of your work!
I love these decks they're really well designed and perfect for multiplayer
I have never been so happy to see the King of Jund playing Jund Commander
Also, I just realized that they gave Reid a jund deck lol.
Magic, IRL: 40 minutes - 2 hours
Magic Arena: 5 minutes - 15 minutes
TheBestPortal so true unless you play 40 minutes to 2 hours of gaming.
Well if arena had multiplayer
You're ignoring the fact that this is both commander and multiplayer, which are significantly more pertinent factors here. Its reasonable for a game of 60 card paper magic to time out at 20 minutes. Part of the reason irl magic is slower is because it takes time to physically move cards, most of the reason is because you're actually playing a game with friends and not just alone facing a faceless nobody with no human interaction at all. Seems pretty silly to prioritize efficiency in ability to complete games over value of individual game, and it's really rare for a person to legitimately value the game mechanics more than the social experience. You'll find that once you remove the playgroup, everyone stops playing eventually
Tight game, and my favorite sort of ending: Pulling shenanigans out of nowhere to burn down your final opponent! Everyone played well, and it was fun seeing everyone work and plot with and against each other. Quite a blast!
Im just scared that the Brawl precons will be a repeated thing every set. Because that would mean that GK will probably be brawl. It's not brawl zone, so I hope it can stay as edh, or bring something like extra turns back for more edh gameplay. I understand how big the wotc sponsor is, but, again, Id rather this be edh, and not brawl and standard.
Hey man how do you expect them to keep their funding without advertising the new WotC product aimed at commander players? I'm sure we'll have plenty of episodes just like what your used to, but they needed to this video, and I don't have any issues with that.
-Sponsored by Wizards of the Coast
Mike Neubauer shut up let them do what they want. Just enjoy the content.
@@Tryo707 I know that the sponsorship is a huge thing for them, I think I mentioned that, and if I didn't I meant to. I still liked the episode, but I just feel like they are turning into wotc's lil puppet. I mean a few brawl eps is fine. It's new and cool. But I don't want this channel to just be brawl knights with the brawl zone podcast. My point is I just hope that if wotc continues to make the brawl precons, they don't tell GKs to only do that, as that's not really fair to them or us viewers.
@@kwality1475 No need for that. Be civil or be gone.
You know im not even mad about the brawl decks but these really show how mediocre wizards makes the commander precons now
i just feel being forced to make a standard legal Precondtructed deck, for a format thats always compared to its eternal variant, will always make the deck feel weak.
having all the brawl cards only available from the decks be standard legal means limiting the power level, imo,
@@Egovinco98 I mean more in terms of value but yes standard legal will limit the literal power
It was awesome that you guys got Reid on the show! He's my favorite pro and I always enjoy watching him play. I actually play very little commander, playing almost exclusively 99% constructed, mostly modern, standard and legacy, as well as less commonly limited, and I actually find EDH to be more difficult with having 3+ other opponents, politics to keep in mind, and all of the other differences from the regular competitive magic I'm much more used to and confident about, so it was cool to see my favorite MTG player out of his comfort zone in the same way I am for my occasional EDH games when I dip my toes in. Of course I'm not the brilliant Reid Duke either....lol. Thanks for what is, in my opinion, easily one of the BEST episodes yet!
When did Mortify become a sorcery... twice!
Awesome episode. Super nice in precon episodes when you get to see all of the decks go off.
This is the best game of magic I have seen on The Command Zone.
Ughh brawl. I mean ive warmed up to it being on arena but ive played the decks my self so i know everything. and its better when you use your own decks. Also commander is just better.
That episode was a lot of fun guys, keep up the great work! Gonna have to feature Korvold in one of our eps now, the bounce back from that deck was insane!
Melissa, once a pro player, always a pro player. Throw in the fact that you the design team for this set, you needed to be attacked first.
Melissa when designing those decks:
You get a board wipe!
You get a board wipe!
Everyone gets a board wipe!
just kidding, i know board wipes are essential, but its really rare every deck in a brawl gets to play them!
Let us not forget the best line in Game Knights history!
38:03
"Melissa, how big is your thing?"
🤣🤣🤣
was wondering if anyone else noticed xD
I don't get it
@@graysonswan5799 ironic
Yeah it's really cool to see at last a new episode of Game Knights 😍 I just love it! please create as much Game Knights and Extra Turn stuff. Because there's nothing more relaxing than watching a great episode of Game Knights on sundays.
You seriously missed the chance to have "Duke Duke"
I too have many trophies alongside Reid. It's, in fact Reidiculous
I was hoping they'd have someone cooking in the background the whole time.
or washing dishes lmao
Way to stay resilient, Josh. Haven't seen you play that kind of deck in a while.
On another note, really good to see all four have a friendly game. It's what I look forward to, with Game Knights.
I’m so glad I started watching these! I have a smothering tithe just chillin collecting dust on my shelf and I didn’t even know it was that good..
I know you guys have to be paid and sponsored somehow in order to pay the bills but cant you just do it by Patreon donations only without the monstrous obstructive corporation that Wizzards is? We want to see original decks and creative ideas and how to bend the rules and you had some great episodes in the past like that. Just stay creative. Truly a fan of your channel.
The editing is superb. After seeing this, I don't think I could enjoy any other game without. Oh my god, look at the ANIMATIONS
Holy **** did not see that win coming props man you took a gamble and it payed off winnings you the game against some down right scary contenders
Can wait for the next one ✌🏼
I love the editing that goes into these videos, that and the format is what makes them my favourite way to watch Magic, but the sound effects used at 34:58 go right through me... to the point I have to actually pause the video because it hurts me to hear it. I suspect I'm not the only one either because I don't consider myself particularly sensitive to that kind of stuff. It was also used when you wrote the word "Knight" on that card and maybe later in the video that I haven't seen yet.
I suggest changing it to a "pencil on paper" sound that gives that scribbling noise instead of such a squeaky one.
Bruh melissa killed this set. Wish they were full commander decks
2:12 nobody gonna talk about how clean Melissa's shuffle was?
I really enjoyed this episode and think you guys do a great job with the podcast and game knights as a whole! I do partially agree with what a lot of people are saying however, I think it would be EVEN BETTER if you had built the decks up to 40 card decks. Every time you do the commander precons I hope that you shake it up a bit and allow each player to add in/take away 10 cards. I just think it would add some spice to it. Either way, love the content, keep it up!
Jlk smacks Ms. DeTora, and she responds by "how can I can I help?" I wonder how jealousy looks on me 😕😆 👍
The decks look pretty balanced in this video. That's not the feeling I had on Magic Arena, however ^^.
Multiplayer and politics really change the shape of games so much !
Which is why Arena needs multiplayer. I would start playing Arena again, if it did. 1v1s used to be enough for me but feel simple and boring these days.
Do you know the name of the deck Reid used? I searched these decks on Amazon but Reid’s is not named after his commander
So good to have Melissa on the show!
I know that what we say probably doesn’t effect much of what y’all do, but I’d love to see you do a commander game using the elder dragons that EDH started with
They sort of did that with the Commander nostalgia episode. I think the problem is that most of them are awful...
I love seeing Ried do all this. Jund is by far my fave colour combo in the whole game so its nice seeing amazing decks like this do stupid crazy stuff
Anyone else re watching these older episodes in 2021? I've started over again from the beginnings back in Jimmy's kitchen lol
2 of the best guests ever on this show. Love this episode! I hope they can get Duke again in a future episode
Love the extra animations you really went all out. Brilliant stuff
I would have loved to see Reid on a deck that he built himself honestly.
preach
Sir duke? Y'all need that stevie wonder in the background!
This episode should be called "An Hour and 10 Minutes of Josh Bitching About His Deck"
My favorite part was the graphic change to "Korvold, Frog-Cursed King." So good.
I dub thee "Duke, Duke"!
What a missed opportunity! ;-)
these decks are so well put together that I didn’t even realize they were preconstructed until they said so at the end
Best thing about this episode? The announcement that WotC is making another Eldraine Brawl print run. Maybe stores here in Asia will finally get the stock they wanted.
That said, kudos to Melissa for making such good decks. Also, this proves that even a Hall of Famer can have a great time and provide fun at a multiplayer table. Get more.