Training the ear to know the fruequencies will fix this problem forever. Just grab your eq and listen how each area of your favourite songs sounds. Try doing it on only mono or only stereo signal as well and you will make progress faster.
Just something I've found as a sense check if your bass is too loud: run the mastering assistant on ozone 8 whenever you're unsure and if there's a huge low end cut, you're probably pushing the bass too loud (then delete the instance of the plugin and continue with your mix)
Perceived loudness. The brain adds more importance to sounds with a strong transient coming from the mids and highs so we perceive it as louder. This also helps. Thanks, great video.
I like using a multi-band limiter, where you can compress and boost frequencies at the same time. I'm getting great bass tones. One other thing- get a nice strong signal going in with no distortion (you might have to compress or EQ slightly to accomplish that). Then you don't have to spend as much time "fixing it in the mix".
Dang, just looking at that frequency response tells you it needs more body past the low end. "You're not supposed to mix with your eyes" but the frequency response can still tell you a lot. Use every tool possible.
I found this technique while browsing on Reddit, that was so unintuitive but proved so useful. I understood that it worked but I didn't understand WHY it worked, and your video did the trick for me. So, thank you for not only showing great tips, but also for explaining everything :)
To get the bass right is truly a very demanding task. Bass frequencies are much more sensible to masking than frequencies above 500 kHz. You can boost higher frequencies or cut the lower ones. But much better is to adjust the harmonics of the notes. I do this in Melodyne. Whereas in an EQ the frequency bands are fixed, manipulating the harmonic overtones in Molodyne are only affecting the individual note. This is due to the fact that Melodyne analyzes the complete overtone structure of every note in seconds. So you can boost for example the second, third or seventh harmonic of every note and recduce the bass heavy sub harmonics. The consequence is, that you don't have the impression that you lowered low frequencies because their harmonic overtones in a higher region pretend to the human ear that they are still there.
I don't understand...it's great that this works for you...but you can do the same with the low shelf.....or by adding saturation and then taming the low end...all of which relies on the leveling depending on which technique you use...I wouldn't just say throw a hi shelf on your bass everytime and boom that was the trick...I like how you broke down the graph with the dB spl tho 🙏🏽💯
The harmonics of bass instruments and kicks is what is heard in small speakers like your cell phone speakers. It's also what cuts through. Overdone, it will begin to fight other instruments and the vocals in a dense mix.
I duplicate my bass track and do a hi pass filter on one and a low cut filter on the other, at the same frequency around 200-250. Then control them separately.
Good tip! Thanks! I would add a High Cut at 8 kHz or so, because by high-shelf-boosting the complete frequency range above that 200 Hz you also boost unwanted things like background noise or ugly string noises.
@@brianpylant4617 The song is called "Pillow Talk" by Adventureland! Here's a link to our album on Spotify: open.spotify.com/album/6XqSEfnIhuRIJwfLdi44z8
An idea that popped into my mind while watching this is the ability to make custom EQ curve shapes. This could reduce the # of bands you have to use, and there are some shapes you simply can't make with multiple bands, shapes which could make your mixes sound better than the shapes the EQ in this video could.
Wha? Just trying to get bass more prominent in a mix. I've been intuitively (I thought) creating the exact opposite curve. Would never, ever have thought of this! Thanks. 😁
So do you tack this on at the end of the FX chain for the bass, or do you do this at the beginning of the FX chain when you're doing volume balancing at the beginning of a mix? Post Amp Sim most likely?
Very very interesting. I've never heard this technique before. Question: on a 2-track master lacking some bottom end, would you perceive more low end by boosting the mids on the entire track, like on your video? Or does one have to boost the mids on the bass track alone?
Good thing I stumbled upon this. I'm having problems with the bass eq-ing. Can I use this technique in a guitar with a pitch shifter pedal? I have no bass guitar. Hence, I use my electric guitar and Electro-Harmonix Pitchfork Pitch shifter.
Bonus: You need fewer dBs to hear an increase in "volume" from the high-end vs. the low-end, so you also end up having more headroom with this approach vs. low-end boost.
Variations of it could. Depends on what your goals are and how bright your mix is in general. This definitely works for bass guitar and some bass synths but if you wanted to have a darker bass sound while still boosting kids you’d definitely need to low pass some highs with a gentle slope (6/12 db)
I'm genuinely curious why. To me as a bass player it sounds absolutely buried in that mix and sounds really lifeless in comparison when competing with the other instruments. Is it simply because it's more natural sounding in solo?
@@djabthrash same thing. One Bass thing or whole bass. He reduced the volume of bass by increasing the rest. This can't possibly make bass cleaner. He doesn't understand the equal loudness curve. It doesn't say you increase mids and treble to hear bass better. It says we hear bass reletively lesser than mids and treble on loud levels. This whole channel is a disaster. Only naive fools will be misled. If he doesn't delete such videos and correct them many will be doing these absurd moves without understanding.
@@OneStepToday He never said he wanted to lower the lows of the bass... quite the opposite actually ! He said the lows were fine, but the bass needed more cut in the mix, and since cut happens more in the mids/treble region (for the bass instrument at least), he high-shelved the mids-treble of the bass instrument, and voilà !
Training the ear to know the fruequencies will fix this problem forever. Just grab your eq and listen how each area of your favourite songs sounds. Try doing it on only mono or only stereo signal as well and you will make progress faster.
Just something I've found as a sense check if your bass is too loud: run the mastering assistant on ozone 8 whenever you're unsure and if there's a huge low end cut, you're probably pushing the bass too loud (then delete the instance of the plugin and continue with your mix)
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Perceived loudness. The brain adds more importance to sounds with a strong transient coming from the mids and highs so we perceive it as louder. This also helps. Thanks, great video.
flipping that fletcher munson curve was genius move. It just clicked in my brain after years of seeing this chart
I like using a multi-band limiter, where you can compress and boost frequencies at the same time. I'm getting great bass tones. One other thing- get a nice strong signal going in with no distortion (you might have to compress or EQ slightly to accomplish that). Then you don't have to spend as much time "fixing it in the mix".
There are many ways.
This here was simple for a rookie like me.
I am afraid of multiband :))
Bless up for this! Low ends ALWAYS been a challenge for me especially in trap music !
I prefer adding saturation in the high mids. A shelf seems heavy handed
This approach is new to me, I'll experience for sure !
whoa... never knew this, and I was making this mistake for years. THANK YOU, went back to old mixes and made this change, and viola!! Worked great.
Dang, just looking at that frequency response tells you it needs more body past the low end. "You're not supposed to mix with your eyes" but the frequency response can still tell you a lot. Use every tool possible.
I found this technique while browsing on Reddit, that was so unintuitive but proved so useful. I understood that it worked but I didn't understand WHY it worked, and your video did the trick for me. So, thank you for not only showing great tips, but also for explaining everything :)
I went back to an old project I was having low end trouble with and tried this, it worked really well. Thanks!
To get the bass right is truly a very demanding task. Bass frequencies are much more sensible to masking than frequencies above 500 kHz. You can boost higher frequencies or cut the lower ones. But much better is to adjust the harmonics of the notes. I do this in Melodyne. Whereas in an EQ the frequency bands are fixed, manipulating the harmonic overtones in Molodyne are only affecting the individual note. This is due to the fact that Melodyne analyzes the complete overtone structure of every note in seconds. So you can boost for example the second, third or seventh harmonic of every note and recduce the bass heavy sub harmonics. The consequence is, that you don't have the impression that you lowered low frequencies because their harmonic overtones in a higher region pretend to the human ear that they are still there.
Thank You..Sir..You reveal one of the secret of mixing..especially low ends.. God Bless You..
This is... precisely what I needed to help with the song I'm working on atm, thanks!
I don't understand...it's great that this works for you...but you can do the same with the low shelf.....or by adding saturation and then taming the low end...all of which relies on the leveling depending on which technique you use...I wouldn't just say throw a hi shelf on your bass everytime and boom that was the trick...I like how you broke down the graph with the dB spl tho 🙏🏽💯
Amazing and very important concept! Thanks for sharing it, I'll remember it.
The harmonics of bass instruments and kicks is what is heard in small speakers like your cell phone speakers. It's also what cuts through. Overdone, it will begin to fight other instruments and the vocals in a dense mix.
or just turn down the bass at the same frequency where you started raising, then raise the volume. The curve is the same (as you mentioned later on)
This advice is pure gold. Thanks 🙏
I have issues with this concept but hey if it works it works.
What are your issues? In the context of a rock/pop mix this is a very normal eq move if a bass sounds dull.
I duplicate my bass track and do a hi pass filter on one and a low cut filter on the other, at the same frequency around 200-250. Then control them separately.
Thanks for the time stamps
Good tip! Thanks! I would add a High Cut at 8 kHz or so, because by high-shelf-boosting the complete frequency range above that 200 Hz you also boost unwanted things like background noise or ugly string noises.
This was my initial instinct as well. Low passing any sizzle/noise to reap the benefits while getting rid of the main potential problem
Great tutorial! Also ... I feel like I need this song in my “Indie” playlist🤙
The song is called "Pillow Talk" by Adventureland! Here's a link to our album on Spotify: open.spotify.com/album/6XqSEfnIhuRIJwfLdi44z8
Would love to know who the artist was on this track! Absolutely love what little bit I'm hearing!
PS. Tried Shazam, no results. :(
@@brianpylant4617 The song is called "Pillow Talk" by Adventureland! Here's a link to our album on Spotify: open.spotify.com/album/6XqSEfnIhuRIJwfLdi44z8
An idea that popped into my mind while watching this is the ability to make custom EQ curve shapes. This could reduce the # of bands you have to use, and there are some shapes you simply can't make with multiple bands, shapes which could make your mixes sound better than the shapes the EQ in this video could.
the boost at 3k is the ear canal resonance :)
Baby when cries, is around this frequencie...
Thank you for the cheatlists!
Thank you
Wha? Just trying to get bass more prominent in a mix.
I've been intuitively (I thought) creating the exact opposite curve. Would never, ever have thought of this! Thanks. 😁
I use the same EQ! Very interesting concept. I'm going to try it & see if it helps.
everyone uses the same EQ
Fantastic - Very insightful!
Thanks a lot
Damn that's so easy man thanks a lot 🙏🏻🔥
fascinating stuff. thanks for the great video!
So do you tack this on at the end of the FX chain for the bass, or do you do this at the beginning of the FX chain when you're doing volume balancing at the beginning of a mix? Post Amp Sim most likely?
Thanks Dylan.
Thank you so much for this tip!
Sounds crazy but I'm gonna give it a try.
great tip and thanks for the cheatsheet - subscribed :)
Thank you, nice video!
Hey man great video!. What software do you use to capture your screen and audio simultaneously ? Thank you 🤘🏼
Wonderful!
Very very interesting. I've never heard this technique before. Question: on a 2-track master lacking some bottom end, would you perceive more low end by boosting the mids on the entire track, like on your video? Or does one have to boost the mids on the bass track alone?
That equals to a solid Locut on the bass 😅
I wonder can I use this same thing with 808s I make hip hop beats
Thanks - great tip!
Good thing I stumbled upon this. I'm having problems with the bass eq-ing. Can I use this technique in a guitar with a pitch shifter pedal? I have no bass guitar. Hence, I use my electric guitar and Electro-Harmonix Pitchfork Pitch shifter.
This is so genius!
Thanks a lot for a vid!
I would have used a similar technique but with mid/side EQ
Bonus: You need fewer dBs to hear an increase in "volume" from the high-end vs. the low-end, so you also end up having more headroom with this approach vs. low-end boost.
Regarding of not using Analog EQ,
I’m using Ableton EQ eight, can i use this technique with that EQ?
If not what free EQ plugins you recommend?
i think for 808s could be good too :) ?
I keep everything mono below 80 hz
I'll try to keep that idea in mind.
Couldn't download the cheat sheet, the link isn't working
Is there another link please?
I’ve applied for the cheat sheets several times but don’t seem to of received them. I’ve checked my spam folder 😂
hello ik heb geen geluk in file ken you help mij een keer als blieft een keer
Applied for the cheat sheet but keep getting access denied!😭
John Entwistle's bass sound.
nice
Sounds like some crazy shoegaze song, loving it man!!
The song is called "Pillow Talk" by Adventureland! Here's a link to our album on Spotify: open.spotify.com/album/6XqSEfnIhuRIJwfLdi44z8
I still would turn down the guitars a bit.
Song?
The song is called "Pillow Talk" by Adventureland! Here's a link to our album on Spotify: open.spotify.com/album/6XqSEfnIhuRIJwfLdi44z8
would this work for all genre?
Variations of it could. Depends on what your goals are and how bright your mix is in general. This definitely works for bass guitar and some bass synths but if you wanted to have a darker bass sound while still boosting kids you’d definitely need to low pass some highs with a gentle slope (6/12 db)
Bummer (yeah, I'm an old fart). The cheat sheets no longer exist. Page not Found.
No one tells you that
I actually liked the original version best
I'm genuinely curious why. To me as a bass player it sounds absolutely buried in that mix and sounds really lifeless in comparison when competing with the other instruments. Is it simply because it's more natural sounding in solo?
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Gulfoss on your bus how come
This wont work for EDM
Well it works for DNB
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I don't know who that is
@@dannydaniel1234 dude it’s drum and bass music lol
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If you're talking about stuff like RENEGADE SNARES, I don't like that..
@@dannydaniel1234 nah Dom & Roland
You lost me, too many words to explain things so I didn't make it through the video. Probably must me, but it made it hard to listen.
Spam! What an asshole way to treat my email address not impressed
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what a disaster. By increasing the mids and highs you basically lowered the bass. This cannot possibly make bass cut through but lowering it.
Are you a troll ?
He's talking about making the bass INSTRUMENT cut, not the bass FREQUENCIES.
@@djabthrash same thing. One Bass thing or whole bass. He reduced the volume of bass by increasing the rest. This can't possibly make bass cleaner. He doesn't understand the equal loudness curve. It doesn't say you increase mids and treble to hear bass better. It says we hear bass reletively lesser than mids and treble on loud levels. This whole channel is a disaster. Only naive fools will be misled. If he doesn't delete such videos and correct them many will be doing these absurd moves without understanding.
@@djabthrash if you want to lower the low you should simply lower it by a low shelf. Instead of boosting everything else.
@@OneStepToday He never said he wanted to lower the lows of the bass... quite the opposite actually !
He said the lows were fine, but the bass needed more cut in the mix, and since cut happens more in the mids/treble region (for the bass instrument at least), he high-shelved the mids-treble of the bass instrument, and voilà !
Thank you
Brilliant !