Hungary: Is Viktor Orban a threat to democracy? - BBC HARDtalk, On the Road (2019)
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- Опубліковано 29 бер 2020
- Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said that 'anti-migration politicians' should join forces and aim to become a powerful bloc within the EU. His government recently launched campaign posters all over the country featuring EU Commission president Jean Claude Juncker and Hungarian-born billionaire George Soros, who they accuse of promoting a pro-immigration agenda.
“Let me ask you a question and then not let you answer”
I am a Hungarian.
This gov has 2/3 in the country. The only gov in europe supported by votes by this ratio.
Borders closed for illegal ones. Of course. Bring your passport. And then you can cross us. BBC is trying to downplay the importance of the borders.
Long live Hungary 🇭🇺.
Peace for all.
Respect. In my opinion Hungary is better than other EU countries. Although I haven't seen all of them, I think Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Greece, Cyprus, Poland, Czech is rather representative example. Hungary is better than all of them. Keep going on.
@@sergeiepatov7683 These countries you mention above are awesome. I wouldn't say we are better or anybody else is better. Just let our gov govern the country according to voters wish.
Peace for all
@Marci igazad van. Csalassal lett meg a 2/3. Harmadjara is.
Of course, the real dictator of the USER (Union of Soviet European Republics) is that fine lefty liberal billionaire JP Juncker , who has never been voted into power , except by a fully loaded EU Commission (er...Politburo) . He is the Fuhrer (guide)
@Hakim Habib I am not a conspiacy theorist at all , just a pragmatic , centrist historian who respects truthful reporting and looking at both sides of any story. Orban: 14 years in power, 16 years in opposition. EU commission leaders chosen internally.
All BBC reporters ask questions but wouldn't allow the person to answer it, if the answer doesn't match their personal agendas.
BBC (= Orwell's Ministry of Truth) will tell you what to think about Hungary.
How pathetic is that?
Greeting from Poland to our brothers Hungarians!
Miłosz Duby haha nice referance to 1984 :) love from Hungary🇭🇺❤️🇵🇱
Hungary and Poland the best countries in EU. We admire your policies and your politicians who work and act for their people's rights. Greetings from Greece.
Baszki...
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Hungary is teaching EU, it's possible to save your country unlike other EU countries.
Saving it by leeching off of richer states without contributing anything in return, and all while theyre not even sharing essential values.
Gj hungary
Oh my, what are we gonna do without gender studies?😥😂
Oh boy, what rights did you guys lose? :/
@sushgram Which freedom did they lose?
@sushgram Interesting. Do you have sources for this information? I would like to read more on this topic.
@sushgram But in exchange economically stronger and independent country, free of debt and banks. In normal situations it would be possible to apply more liberal methods, but this is not, it's situation where the west is pushing its agenda on the small country in order to make it their slave.
@@lazar2949 Well, existing as Orban and his priests slave looks still better.
You got it wrong again, like you did it so many times before. Hungary is protecting the schengen border against illegal imigration. If you have a passport, or can otherwise identify yoursef, you can pass no problem. This is the actucal schengen law. Hungary is getting bad rep for obeying the law.
You may possibly be right.
'If you have a passport, or can otherwise identify yoursef, you can pass no problem.' Hungary allow 2 people past the border per day.
A really onesided view from the BBC.....
not really - it makes you think 🤔 if a radical nationalism is ok - I heard both sides and I totally understand Hungary doesn’t want to be ruined by refugees
Is it still ok like this?
Wrtiting this now that hungary is no more a democracy. Lul
democracy is the will of its people. brexit is the will of the british. simple!
They are still saying that the border is for no immigrants. There's a difference between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant.
I for one welcome Hungary's Prime Minister and hope every country in Europe could have one as good as him.
Half of Hungary population are poor ! Without EU funding they’re Afghanistan 2.0
No Hugaristan, it's straight message from Hungary. God bless Hungary.
the old and boring Propaganda from BBC
A Hungarian calling BBC propaganda 😂 you can't even write this shit
It's all propaganda! At least the UK citizens now have more freedom than Hungarian citizens.
@@zsn2508 B+
Hungary. Nothing mixed with nobody.
The old and boring whining about da BBC bias. Grow up, go watch Fox news.
En ces temps difficiles, nous avons besoin de gens comme Viktor Orban pour garder espoir. Ils nous aident à rester calme et centré à mantenir nos pays fidèles à leurs peuples.
Ouais bien sur, nous avons besoin d’un partie de morale et christianisme!
Comme Szájer....nonon...il a un affair avec des homosexuells...
MAIS nous avons besoin de quelqu’un qui bagarre contre les communistic parties
....nononon...il fera construire une université communist y Budapest...
D’alleure nous avons besoin de quelqu’un qui nous dis la varité!
....nononon...il a fermé la plus célèbre journal opposé, Népszabadság
....dit moi encore une fois....Pourquoi nous - hongroises- avons besoin de quelqu’un comme Orbán?
Hungary has been through a lot over the years and deserve to run their Country the way they want FOR HUNGARIANS..They only have 10 million people and dont need an influx of people that will change the Country..If anyone doesn't like the way Hungary is doing things they should shut their mouths and go to France.
From that 10 million 1 million has already left the country, because of the government
Dramatic just like watching a Vice documentary. They're not giving specifics and details of the Hungarian perspective on things
And by the way: why wasn't a Hungarian-speaking journalist sent?
I am confused, where is the threat to democracy? The most valid critique seems to be potential wasteful spending on a train line, while all the other issues are merely political disagreements about migration, etc. I was expecting statements about him banning voting, etc.
Interviewer does not allow the Secretary Of State to speak, this is police interrogation.
AVANTI ORBAN! DALL'ITALIA!
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Next Report: Is BBC a threat to democracy?
Yes, and, by the way - has anyone asked those in favour of open borders why they view themselves as 'Democratic?
@@beasheerhan4482 Viktor Orban asked the hungarians in a referendum actually
@@aynarvonfiehlen2587 ... Thank you, Dear Aynar. for whatever it is worth : ----- this American is well aware that Viktor Ortban represents the will of the majority of Hungarians who want to remain exactly that ... Hungarian.
@@antoniabanoczi-gg8te ... Maybe 'toilet' is too nice a term, Dear Antonia, because I have never known a toilet that tries to poison the mind of the one using it!
16.30 There is a Reformed church principle. Put yourself in order first, then your family, then take care of the community. Felcsút is not an example of an oligarch investing there, but a promise of what Hungary will look like one day.
Stop bullying other countries
Exactly. EU can deliver no help to countries, just criticism.
Mr. Orban is applying very similar/identical measures as neighboring- or Western European countries to face the very serious situation and he is blamed for abusing democracy.
Nobody has been arrested in the last 10 years abd nobody will be arrested for simply criticising the government.
Hungary is a liberal democracy, but the problem with Mr. Orban is that he has not joined the illuminati nor is he a Rotschild like Macron.
@@viktorsvoboda1203 maybe orban is a rosicrucian.
Let me tell you guys. Afterwards CEU stayed in Budapest…. How?
Certain NGOs are making politics. Why? How? So the gov want to know where their money is from. That's all. We voters have right to know what NGOs are doing in the country.
Hungary 🇭🇺 don't forget your history like France, Belgium 🇧🇪 Britain Germany 🇩🇪 and The Netherlands 🇳🇱 did look what they got for being politically correct, not to mention Sweden 🇸🇪.
What does democracy have to do with open borders?
Citizens first if anything else left then fair do's
Dear BBC,
in order to have democracy you must firstly have A SECURE and SAFE COUNTRY!
You are thinking of fascism.
@@jordanw2300 It's called OWNING PROPERTY. Fascism on the other hand is a form of socialism, as such, property rights are not important. You went to a public school, hey?
The BBC should know by now that Boris Johnson could abolish the TV License fee at any time (at least after Johnson has fully recovered)
21:44 - I wouldn't call Michael Ignatieff respected .
I would call Michael Ignatieff the local caporegime of the Soros NGO-maffia.
A biased reporter, he already knew in advance what he wanted to say in the end.
Very good hard questions. Asked hard questions when interviewing the university rector and also when interviewing the secretary of state. Pressuring both sides for the truth, very good, doing the opposition to power that the media is supposed to do.
Yes you right and the foggy answers of the University rector is shows the real picture about them. he didn't explain anything.
If anyone is a 'threat to democracy' in the West today, it is those leaders of the countries who claim to be 'democratic'. Nearing my old age, I have spent my life in 'democracies' and I can say this - the usage of those who claim to be 'democratic' to undermine countries, both in the cultural, economic, and sovereign sense, is a cancerous thing that has created a reaction that will not go away.
@@beasheerhan4482 Democracies, many times, do very bad things indeed. Do you believe they do it *because* they are democtatic? What would be the better alternative to democracy, then?
@@tiagow95 Very good point, Dear Tiago. The reality is that there is neither a better nor a worse alternative to 'Democracy', for there is no enlightened system to suit all peoples. Moreover, no matter how good a system is, if the men who lead that system are corrupt or treacherous, the system fails. The same for a people, because, if their politicians are good, and the system is good, but, the people under it are lazy and lawless, that situation does not work, either. So, as you know, the whole human situation is very complex and often extremely frustrating, if not disastrous. One thing is for sure, however - I do not believe any country has the right to lecture other countries about who they ought be! Be well!
Your argument doesn't support dialogue but hypocrisy.
This video is an attack against democracy, because the majority of European citizens, never supported mass uncontrolled migration.
Why leaders of Africa, Muslim countries, Israel, etc were never forced to reply to these kind of questions?
Could you mention some Muslim countries which promoted human rights?
If the governments of these millions migrants can't provide them human rights why you think that Europeans could?
Hands off Hungary, for it is God's country!
@Hakim Habib most other countries are allah's countries now
God Bless Viktor Orban and may God bless each and every Hungarian.
What wonderful people.
God bless a man who is ripping democracy from the Hungarian people?
Atomic “Democracy” is only good if it works for the people. I’d rather live under Orban’s “dictatorship” than a globalist, leftist “democracy” any day.
@@1legomaster dictators good
@@atomic4650 This is BBC liberal propaganda :D
@@atomic4650
You are a communist, You are lying. You know nothing Viktor Orban was chosen by a very large majority of the Hungarian people. Hungary has a democracy. I'm Hungarian, I live in Hungary, I work in Hungary.
Great job Hungary!!!
we are an independent and free nation. hungarian. and no need to tell us, how to live, what polititions to vote. after Trianon, you can be shut up to 100 years. and one more thing, hungarians never colonized the half of the globe, so not a british has a right to critisese us.
sorry.
Firstly, criticism is part of freedom of speech. BBC is allowed to criticize Hungary as much as they want.
Secondly, you don't live in a free society any more do you? I don't care if Hungary doesn't want immigrants. But Viktor Orban just gained emergency powers that give him rule by decree. There will be no more elections and the parliament is suspended. A law is passed that could be interpreted in so many ways that literally saying anything could be a crime. Europe's first official unchecked dictator is in Hungary.
@@hexa3389 if there'll be an election in future, youll be poligize me?
Let's see how well this comment ages. Soon you won't even be able to comment your thought on the internet. You do realise you are using free speech right now. Let's see for how long.
@@hexa3389
"""Firstly, criticism is part of freedom of speech."""
The BBC is not criticizing, but lying.
Well said!..
This is the school example of the liberal PC BS.
Orban is one of the only moral, decent leaders who’s interested in the continuity of his culture…that’s why he’s vilified.
We have as Hungarian rights to protect our country interest
I mean László Toroczkai is a member of the opposition but nevermind
What would a reporter do if thousands of foreigners were brought there by plain and parachuted into his country who couldn’t, and do not want tell where they came from, and also because they didn’t have any ID documents.
9.20 Liberal is not always progressive. Socialist, and Conservative can be progressive as well.
7.09 Anoyher messy trick: the country of 10 million can not manage 3-4 million migrants. And 7.20 They can help them by bringing food, clothes. From both side of the borderline.
Go to Austria border not to Hungary. what about the Muslim countries, they why not help for their religion ???
there comes an image from the Kadar period of communism mostly prefered.. why because everybody had what they needed compared to the circumstances of other communist countries. there was stability in hungary until 89. long story short between 90-2010 the country could not get use to that old fashioned democracy us uk represent. People especially with a 'getting old society' did not see enough good until Viktor Orban came. And he could manage to give somewhat that image back in my opinion. and the country is more stable than it was before.
What?.. .."Kadar period of communism everybody loved.." Have you lost your mind?..
@@aloha2104yeah you right i edited to mostly prefered.
If somebody wants "american diploma" go there, and achieve it.
Those rich left people cant get over the fact someone decided not to do what they asked him to do and have no power over him
And so the pendulum swings...when a prevailing orthodoxy is counter to the majority view they will find a home at the other end of the spectrum...
Orbán ❤🇭🇺
No, he's not.
He did right, ppl have to understand every president job to protect they own country!!!
Hello from Romania. I agree with Hungary protection of its culture and borders, all countries should do that, especially against illegal immigrantion, also I appreciate hungarians stance agaist the west leftism wich pretty much destroys the western culture and identity... good job standing against that to the hungarian people! Hovewer I see that Viktor Orban intervenes to much in romanian affairs, he is sponsoring a hungarian parralelism in vulnerable magyar minority's in Romania. This people become more and more isolated, fearful and hateful of Romania, romanians and any foreigner for that matter. Now i agree that romanian government was weak on trying to integrated this people, all they did is to offer them all kinds of benefits (full magyar teaching schools up to high school in almost every large city of Transilvania, theaters exclusively magyar, magyar cultures days and so on) that actually resulted in segregation instead of integration and cooperation, they should instead offer them more economic opportunities and easier ways to learn romanian. Now Orban came every year in Romania, in unofficial visits and all he did is sustaining hungarian parallelism: hungarian sponsored media for the minority that only talks about Budapest on nothing about the country you actually live in, sponsoring szekely farms in Szekely land which again, leads to more segregation, because those farmers only sell in Hungary. I'm not against Hungary helping its citizens, on the contrary, we do help our fellow moldovans too, but what we witnessed is they produce an isolated minority which was already kind of isolated due to the language barrier... Now some of you will point out that romanians, are evil and are oppressing the hungarian minority... Well i can say that some stupid people exist here (they are a few and just loud, not violent) that hate hungarians, most of us DON'T. I have magyar friends in Cluj and Oradea, many years i had a magyar girlfriend, but man you cannot discuss with Szekely people, even young ones... first of all they don't know romanian or english, they are quite scared or hateful of romanians or foreigners in general. I tried to approach some years ago, I even had some acquaintances from the area, and all they shouted was that they don't wanna learn romanian, because they don't wanna be assimilated and it's funny cause they wanna live in Cluj where more than 80% of the population is romanian. There was this case in a village in Szekely land, Ditrău village in romanian, you may know, where all the village gathered with the mayor and priest agaist two Srilankan legal migrants that worked at a bakery... they were so vindictive and aggressive against TWO legal migrants with a finite working contract of 5 years i believe. Please understand that romanians don't want illegal migrants too, but these guys came for work at they bakery because the patron didn't find people willing to work elsewhere in Szekely land, and they came LEGALLY. A lot of racism unraveled from the szekely community towards them, I never saw that before in Romania, all this people consume hungarian sponsored media offered by Orban government. To make matters worse Viktor just posted the greater hungary globe which added fuel to the fire even though most romanins didn't take Iohannis (which was pure dumb populism) statement seriously and all the media basically criticized Iohannis, but i worry some romanians and most hungarians from Szekely land become more and more hatefull, and inevitably this leads to friction, and bad political decisions based on populism and so on. I fear that some day we reach a critical point and I don't want that... What do you guys think?
So he is saying the 'laws" approve not feeding parents but feed their children because of the 'immigration laws"!
Shame on you BBC.
If liberals acted like liberals and not like a thought police, Orban would have no problem with them. If they didn’t want to say who should think what and would rather think, they, the liberals themselves, would do better.
1.50 Not populist, popular.
Entire sections have been edited out of this show - why. They include Shackur bemoaning Hungary's acceptance of aid from China and Russia and Mr. Kovacs pointing out that no aid could be found from #EU and most certainly nothing has come from the UK. The woman Marta Pardavi is more than aware of the laws of the land and yet SHE takes a very nice salary from Civil Society and other malevolent to Hungary donors in order to flaunt the laws of the land. The "immigrants" who weren't fed knew full well they would not be allowed into Hungary under any circumstances so why did they risk the well-being of their children as well as themselves? Keir Starmer (leader of the labour party) has made a cool £10 million from cases like this - only in the UK the taxpayer has to fund it. It's sick
ask the people democracy
No. He’s acting how his constituents want him to. As foreigners we have no right to criticize the will of the Hungarian people
As human beings we have every right to criticize a fascist anywhere.
hmmmm.. How about BBC Hardtalk takes a walk down the road for George Soro's. It's Gravel and you can scrap the top layer to see more of it.
Dugin's plan in the works here.
Orban is RIGHT!
you say all this bs, but the UK left the Europian Union, what???!
Victor Orbán God bless you perfect personality thanks for saving us
The shame is that we can all see that the muslim part of African / Middle east immigration from the last decades is a disaster, but most of our politics refuse to acknowledge that, and because of that, more and more people are against all forms of immigration despite the fact that things are ok as far as muslim Africa / Middle east is not concerned. it's not just an islam problem because the assimilation of the muslims from asia (indonesia for ex) work good. It's not a problem of race because the same problems come with either black or non-black muslims. I would rather have 3 uyghurs comming in my country instead of each 2 muslims from Africa / middle east.
Despicable BBC - or should I say despicable state controlled UK TV. There's one thing about Hungary and Viktor Orban than Stephen Shuckur should have mentioned before the start - and that is on 24.4.2020 Orban's polling rate is STILL three times as high as any UK party -at 80%+ who would want to get rid of him ? I was actually embarrassed to watch this
The "family" that woman speaks about KNOWS FULL WELL they won't be allowed in - it's just bl**dy irresponsible of the adults and even more irresponsible of that woman to give false hope and take AN ENORMOUS salary out of funding from malevolent external sources - I am surprised she has the brass cahoonies to go on that show. Funding : www.helsinki.hu/en/about_us/finances/
HARDLIES. HUNGARY LOVES AND PROTECTS EUROPEAN PEOPLE
look what they did with greece, spain, portugal and italy shm
Considering the BBC did everything it could to stop Brexit we should ask if the BBC is the threat
GOD BLESS VICTOR ORBAN
Victor orban is a future europe can. Put faith in, nationalism is not racism
BBC, you can go back to your multicaultural utopistic nightmare and leave us alone. Kind regards, A Hungarian
Go Orban go
Orban is a good leader...the last ones we have left here....greetz from Holland
Long live Orbán our savior!
Cult of personality!
Liberalism when it is taken to extremes or its final destination leads to bad things. Unbridled immigration from very dissimilar groups leads to fragmentation and a poor society in almost every way. Too much diversity does lead to a rich culture but to no culture except anarchy!!
BBC tells Hungary how to govern. Now that is threat to the sovereign of Hungary. What business do BBC has in Hungary state affaire. BBC should tells UK how to govern but no others than that.
Cheers Stephen. 👍
Hungary should leave the EU together the UK.Hungary seems to have forgotten how Hungarians used to look for Asylum in the West and before they joined the EU .I remember how desperate Hungarians were to the point of working illegally all over Europe.Its a Society with a very short memory.
People here in Hungary with an education definitely remember. Sadly, we are in the minority.
The forint has lost 10% of its value since the law was passed. The dumb people who support the law are the ones who are directly poorer because of it. They still see it as a win too 😂
@SlypherSpoons Miért egy nagyot? Nem mondtam semmi rosszat vagy rasszista a magyarul. Your idea that Hungarians are superior to Brits reminds me of what Hitter used to say. Actually all the Hungarians I know are Great people except perhaps you and Mr Orban. Its the idea that one Nation is greater than the other , a sick Ideological.Yes, refugees should be and must be controlled by the EU and some of them have not earned the right to belong to the European Community. By the same understanding we should ask the question, aas Hungary earned the right to be part of the EU are you willing to make concessions for the benefit of us all. ? I know that not all Hungarians think like you but if your country continues towards this Dictatorship with Orban there will be no other solution than to use The Hungarian Refugee Policies on you, let you leave since you guys are so intelligent you don't need us. Europe will miss the UK when they are gone they won't miss Hungary. I,d like to know what has Hungary contributed to the EU until now ?? I know do you ? Your assumption that I am British is so off track, very much like your Illusion of Hungarian Superiority .
@SlypherSpoons "low IQ third wolders". Hihetetlen... oh and by the way, do you know how many Hungarians are living in countries like Switzerland as economic migrants? Should they be sent back to Hungary ?
@@zsn2508 Devaluation of a currency can actually make people richer - it depends very much on how much gets exported (exports become a lot a cheaper hence there is usually an increase in exports leading to an increase in jobs) and how much is imported (imports become more expensive leading to an increase in prices past to the ordinary people).
So it depends.
24:35 "...consolidating a single party rule within the European State." That, alone, in the crux of the Orban government. The is nothing wrong with a nation of Hungarians, for Hungarians, by Hungarians. The EU must fall. And soros, in this drama, is the most clear and the most concise villain.
We need support now more than ever in Hungary. We have supported and defended Europe. Illegal human smugglers (NGO's) and leftists are attacking us! Help defend us as we defended Europe!
Hungary opts for illiberal democracy, The characteristic of Hungary democracy is not the liberal(endless talk but not firm decision) democracy. Just leave the Hungary government themself.
Wake up Europe!
I like how the comment section has been taken over by Eastern European’s (speaking over foreign invaders)
Because the will of power stronger even sexuality
It is so similar with my countrys past.
Please be careful who toyou choose against your "enemy"
Because when ruling party or authoritarian leader starts destroying its enemies it is not gonna stop until all colours of your country turn to only one colour.
Today this colour in my country is green of islamist fascism.
Is BBC journalism?
So you’re saying you want to preserve your country’s history? That you don’t want to lose your sense of national identity and culture? That you desire to hold close your Christian beliefs and the security of your people. What terrible racists 🙄
You should move there.
@@WTFisthe911 And we would welcome him.
@@Vestergaard11 and he would come back within weeks. Americans are far too spoiled 😄
@@WTFisthe911 Depends very much where the US person lives - Anybody that lives in working class community in a Democratic controlled major city would not move back - even the likes of Gavin Newson, Eric Adams etc are finally saying there is a problem with crime. Then of course there is the run away inflation, etc, etc, etc.
What abaut Trump?
Orban is a legend! Keep doing your great job, he is the best prime minister
Well said!..
Dictator.
Alex North Sheep.
Big lies again...
Islanders... After Brexit... just ....GO HOME ! It is getting BORING...
This is so hypocritical to let others say out the words you want to say.
Just look at the nr of thumbs up and down...need I say more?
Erdekes,a teljhatalomrol nem volt nemzeti konzultacio.Vajon miert?
úgy érted: tejhatalamról?
@@zoltankadar3974
Ja, meg szabad sajt!
Damn democracy to hell
open borders for israel
Western Media: "Viktor Orban is the Vladimir Putin of Central Europe"
Viktor Orban: "Thanks for the compliment!"
I love our fence. The desert ppl not intergrate get it tru ur thick skulls.