I remember seeing a show about if people would do anything about someone actively cutting locks off a bike years ago. IIRC it was filmed in New York, and the police and most passersby did nothing right up until they used an angle grinder. Various bolt cutters, hammers, exc were just ignored.
@@volvo09 By me that will not investigate anything other than the murder of a high profile person, AKA comes to mind. Regular crime is just fill out the form, does you have the insurance, here is the CAS number, nextpersonplease, and that is it.
Do you know what you call something that's paid to do a job, but doesn't do their job and instead wastes that money? A scam. Police restructuring is required. Low IQ dropouts need new jobs as janitors.
@funkadunk666 they offer it to students at a discount. That's a win, especially in New York where once a bike is stolen its never recovered because the cops won't do anything about bike theft. To put it simply ( for the simple minded ) it's a good thing!
@@Funk1199 A campus bookstore selling bike locks is a very good business decision: all that $$ the student isn't spending on buying back their bike for the 100th time off the thieves that stole it can be used to buy books instead and thus bigger profits for the bookstore.
Police chief: I've seen many locks from bike thefts and none of them look like this. Yes, because you have seen the ones that have failed to do their job.
Kind of like the story about reinforcing parts of fighter planes that showed bullet holes, when those were the planes that made it back; instead of parts that didn't show bullet holes which if hit would make the plane go down.
It was definitely propaganda, but he could *also* have been clueless - you have to be pretty uninformed to think you can get away with a lie so blatant that looking at the website of the campus you just raided is all it takes to prove you wrong, after all
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Trust me, you don't have to give a cop the benefit of the doubt. Their job isn't to keep people safe it's to make people feel unsafe so they keep their cooshy 200k+ salaries.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 No, they just know a lie gets half way around the world before the truth puts its pants on. They just have to convince enough people who, if confronted with the truth later, will rationalise it (likely just falling back on a bunch of other lies they were told).
It isn't only recommended--it is FOR SALE in the university stores! This whole MSNBC piece was "copaganda" intended to demonize the protesters and justify the brutal crackdown on free speech...
Fake cops. REAL cops, like in Santa Rosa County FL want you to use good locks and defend yourself with firearms. Everyone knows NY = fake police. They may as well be bobbies and wear those ridiculous hats.
the taxpayers of new york would have to pay for that lawsuit... We need to stop paying for bad apple's battles and change the law so that police are held personally accountable.
@@turtlebunch2 The police are subordinate to the politicians. As long as the politicians tolerate abuse by the police, those politicians are on the hook. Of course, that means the taxpayers are also on the hook. If this bothers you, note which politicians are enabling this behavior by the police and vote them out of office.
"You shouldn't be allowed to protect your belongings. You should just let yourself get robbed. Then you should let us not investigate it. You don't want to be an *agitator,* do you?"
Isn't this also the cop who was like "The "students" had books called Introduction to Terrorism, they're clearly troublemakers." even though "Introduction to Terrorism" is one of the classes available at the college and, y'know, doesn't teach terrorism but rather talks about the history of political violence and how it has affected the world?
What type of brain do you have to have to see that course title and think it's instructions for super villains instead of informational for normal people? What a joke.
@@Tundra. You assume of course the NYPD management are able to read. they had a hard time with Huck Finn, let alone "See Spot Run", and anything without pictures and more than 5 words per page is considered advanced material.
Something I loved about him is that he also shows us his picking failures, so that we don't get the false impression that they can pick every lock they have. In one of their collab videos, LPL mentioned he had about 10 locks he hasn't been able to pick, even though he routinely tries.
@@coladict Kinda such LPL would show more challenging locks, there are plenty of tough locks out there, just showing a lousy lock every week isn't that interesting.
New Yorker here. I used to be an overnight manager for a Taco Bell and used that Kryptonite lock for YEARS to keep crackheads from stealing my bike. Worked like a charm. Fuck that cop, that's a working man's bike lock.
@@EpsilonRosePersonal There's a general taboo in calling law enforcement straight-up liars because it undermines a lot of what lets us feel secure. Incompetent we can handle, but deceitful we just can't. And yet...
3 minutes 22 seconds, the man picked a difficult lock and picked apart the argument of a NYPD deputy commissioner. Never mess with a lock picking lawyer.
The actual picking was only 1 of those minutes too. And that's starting the clock when he starts to set the disks, not when he started the actual picking.
@aaronscott7467 Oh definitely. Price for quality, Kryptonite locks are quite good. Abus too IIRC. They're both recommended for ebikes, so long as you also detach the battery as that is often what is stolen.
I love how LPL basically just asserted that the NYPD put their officers in unnecessary danger to cut off the locks rather than calling an experienced lock smith who could safely remove them in seconds. Fits in line with the rest of the unnecessary escalation by the NYPD though.
Like the PD in Uvalde that didn't bother trying the door handle and went searching for the custodian while kids were being murdered. Cowards and idiots.
Or just brake the door ffs. They have the tools for it, and door will break much easier then lock (unless its a very good one, which is already not most of them).
@@LKValand especially an NYPD officer given their notorious attitude towards cyclists... (Even on the opposite coast I've heard a lot about NYPD thugs parking in bike lanes in order to ticket cyclists who try to go around them and even beating any who object to being ticketed!)
"This is not what students bring to school" followed by "this is what we encountered on every door"... Idk mister commissioner, sure sounds like there are a lot of students with them
We're assuming that they're idiots, as opposed to intentionally misinterpreting items they find. Prayer candles are incendiary devices according to local cop logic.
So the cop has basically endorsed this lock as being a good security choice as it’s difficult to quickly remove, which is kind of the purpose of a good lock. He has also just announced to anyone with nefarious intentions which lock will cause the authorities the most inconvenience 😂
Exactly. He's holding up a visual example of the easily available consumer item that he least wants to see used in any future protests. He basically wrote an instruction manual "whatever you do, don't do this".
They'll say whatever they need to say to maintain their narrative. They know full well why so many of those locks are on campuses; it's just convenient for them to invent an entirely new reason so they can justify doing what they want to do.
@@Chris-hx3ompaint the generation protesting against illegal military action as the bad guys. They did it during the Vietnam war, the Iraq war and their trying to do it again.
@@Chris-hx3om they want to justify illegal military action by painting the protesters as the bad guys. They did it in the Vietnam war, the Iraq war, and they're going to try to do it again
The stupidest and most embarrassing part of that cop's declaration is that those exact bike locks are sold to students in the university store. It just goes to show propaganda doesn't care about facts as long as it can create a villain for you to be afraid of or hate.
I like how they brought it out without the sheath over the chain so it looks scarier. They sold this one on the school's store as one of the suggested bike locks.
Hi NY resident here... all I can say is this is embarrassing. The commissioner should know where he works a lot of people don't have cars and use other methods of getting around places. And sometimes... SOMETIMES... people would like to prevent an easily stolen item from being well stolen...
They more focus on giving opportunity to criminals, basically making a crime conducive environment. Forgetting about good citizen that should be prioritize.
There is a mixture of blame between the law and the authority to enforce the law. If murder was a 24 hour sentence instead of 25 years, it would not matter how many people you arrested and convicted for it, police would never keep up.
Columbia University's own Department of Public Safety sells these locks to students on campus!!! You get a student discount!! Of course students have them!
Police saying things they know little or nothing about. My father was a cop for forty years and taught me to never take legal advice from the police. Seems bike locks are another thing to add to that list.
@@venom5809 They enforce the law, so I guess people think that means they understand it better than the average joe. It's like if you hired a janitor and asked his /mop/ for cleaning advice. Sure, the mop helped, but mostly because of the knowledge of the person employing it.
A cop blaming a lock for delaying their "emergency services group" entering a building of protestors, and it's picked within 60 seconds. Yep, that sounds about right.
@@robertlitman2661 FD has no reason to not destroy things, that lock will be removed, or more exactly the door itself, using a Halligan tool, in less time than it takes to find the key for the regular lock.
"more secure setup on the bike rack" This probably should be count as a high praise from LPL. I definately want one of those securing my bike. Not many people have a pick that "Bosnian Bill and LPL" made.
@@SeanBZA Well I use a U-lock similar to that, to attach the bike frame alongside the back wheel to something stationary and then use that chain with a lttile bit less beefy lock to attach the front wheel to the frame and if possible to the stationary thing. If I feel extra paranoid I have some cables I can use to attach the saddle to the rest. Yeah, they can use a bolt cutter to steal my saddle, if they want to make that much effort for so little reward. Of course depends on where I'm going. If I go somewhre the bike is pretty much safe and have difficult attachment points, I often use the chain to attach frame and back tire to something sttationary and I have a little folding lock (had to buy it for insurance reasons, because the Kryptonites were too old) that I then use for the front wheel. Can be cut with a bolt cutter, too. But hey, that is my setup for locations I could probably get away with not locking the bike at all.
even with that tool it takes incredible experience, as well as a calm hand and brain which is obviously not always given considering circumstances and person attempting the pick
@@Broggi93 Most bike thieves will not got for picking. Usually they will use a destructive method. I have seen videos, where people tried stealing a bike in broad daylight with a battery powered angle grinder and no one said a thing. So as you can't rake the lock open, I doubt anyone will try to open the lock non destructive.
Lockpicking Lawyer never speaks in absolutes, but when he says, "depends on whether or not they want to keep their bike," that is basically as good as "buy this"
I have the smaller chain from kryptonite and had to cut off the lock as it was seized. I’m a mechanic and we wanted to see how tough it was. We used the largest bolt cutters we had and had two guys leaning on one of the handles. Needless to say the blades snapped off before the chain broke.
That’s amazing! Just looking at the chain, I would’ve never suspected it was that strong. thanks for performing this test. Maybe you should tell Kryptonite about it.
Having worked in a place that used dozens of cut off discs (12" dia and larger) a day, I can say that disc blow-ups are frightening. We left the remnants of a couple of burst discs that ended up stuck in the ceiling as a warning. Diamond impregnated ones are the way to go. LPL knows his stuff.
@@HappyDude1Those are far from perfect because you need the open part to work with and you need to see what you're doing. There are plenty of pics online of those fragments embedded in safety glasses.
@@HappyDude1 I should have mentioned that the machines used were fixed installation hand operated saws for cutting off lengths of metal bars up to 2 1/2 inch diameter. There had to be somewhere to get the bars in, which meant there was always an open area for the bits of burst disc to escape. Nevertheless, the people operating the saws were well protected.
@@chrismay2298why would you do that? The grinder still works fine with the guard fitted. Folks that disregard safety in this manner are just fools, some injuries that you can get from such behaviour will change your life for the worse forever.
Other people have pointed out that this lock is sold AT THE UNIVERSITY! That cop is either stupid or a liar. Either way he doesn't belong in that job. Bravo on calling him out!
Thats right, students want to use low quality locks so their bikes are stolen. Just like the food those "agitators" ate would never be eaten by regular students.
3D printing firearms is incredibly easy on paper. Anyone who has actually printed a firearm will tell you, they are much more difficult to get right than you would assume.
@@johndeerdrew For sure but it was nice of NYPD to give such a good list of websites that sell parts kits, good printers, good filament and other great beginner resources :)
@@EricDeKirkwood99 it's easier to just buy a gun from a back alley by asking around... "3d printed guns" are nothing to worry about and are pushed by the media to stir up drama. Probably can't even fire a .22 round out of the best plastic gun without it exploding. (That's the smallest ammo, size of an average pea.)
I was a juror on a kidnapping trial where the detectives that arrived on the scene where the victim was being held basically went "huh, looks like the victim was held here" and did -zero- additional fact finding on the farm he had been locked up at. Even when they're doing their jobs they don't bother to do any research
That police chief needs to learn a very important axiom, "Correlation, doesn't equal causation". They probably had those chains so they could keep their bikes from being stolen, and just used them and left the bikes at home.
@@radbaronNot sure who they're trying to fool. City dwellers know what a bike chain lock is and for everyone else they made it look like hardware store chain.
"They were on every door" WELL MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR STUFF STOLEN!! I'm sure universities have top notch locks and security in place for dorms :)
So... A high ranking police officer just went out and assumed that people using a high security bike lock are "Agitators"? what the hell? YOU'RE A COP. YOU FOLLOW EVIDENCE, NOT ASSUMPTIONS.
You know what's even bad about the commissioner saying that it's not a chain students bring to school? The exact lock he's holding is sold in the school shop (or so I've been told)
That commissioner wasn't ignorant. We has lying. He lied about those locks because he needed an excuse for abusing protesters. It's about silencing dissent.
The Commissioner's dumbass comment about the bike lock aside, there ARE rioters out there. Let's just be very clear about that. And even "peaceful protesters" have and are holding up major motorways and blocking entrances to buildings just to be as much of a public nuisance as humanly possible.
This is about as close to a recommendation as LPL gives. Just yesterday I bought my son, a Kryptonite bike lock with a disc detainer core based on my learning from this channel.
Firefighter 1: A KRYPTONITE LOCK!?! THIS IS GOING TO TAKE US FOREVER TO CUT THROUGH THIS LOCK!! Firefighter 2: No. I have waited a long time to use my secret weapon. **unsheathes mysterious device** Behold! The Pick that Bosnian Bill and I made!
In an actual emergency, during that conversation, Firefighter 3 would have pulled out their halligan bar and broken open the door. Locks only matter if you’re not willing to destroy what they’re attached to. Firefighters work by different rules in actual emergencies.
Professional agitator: someone who works to specifically annoy other people. Dunno, that sure sounds like most new yorkers to me, especially when the Red Sox beat the Yankees.
That police commissioner comes off as either an idiot or a crooked cop. It doesn't matter what you use to defeat the lock, he's the biggest tool I've ever seen.
Right now in the market for a new lock for my new E-cargobike. I think the kryptonite NYC series is the right thing for me. I'm also a professional agitator though.
I’ve heard you referenced on several different UA-cam channels lately, always with reverence and respect. So that tells me you are doing things right Sir! Been a fan for a long time. Just started trying to pick recently as I’m in charge of a 150 unit upscale residential complex. Locks used to scare me to get inside of them. Now they are fun and interesting, because you have shown us they aren’t usually something to be afraid of. So thanks Sir!
Ah yes, because I'm sure you know the exact ins-and-outs of locks currently being used at Columbia University, it's just common knowledge we all have of course.
@Perseus7567 it would have taken him a pretty quick google search to find out his statement is false. He doesn't need to know exactly how many are on campus to understand that it's a very popular bike lock in that area.if you're going on the news, even just a basic level of research on what you're talking about should be the bare minimum
@@Perseus7567That cop said that they found them on all the doors. We know these locks are used. The fact that they’re literally called New York locks probably should have clued in the cops but of course they don’t care. They just want to pretend the kids are an organized military so anything they do is justified.
Or prevents people from biking so they don’t have to worry about being considered criminals for not wanting their bike stolen. But of course the police would never be anti-bike. It’s not like they’re sponsored by the Ford motor company or anything.
I'm not anti-Police, but I think this shows the BIG difference between an Authority Figure, and an Authoritative Figure. LPL isn't in a position to tell people what to do, but he DOES know what he's talking about, whereas the Police officer is talking nonsense.
Great video as always. Police giving misinformation or unhelpful information is becoming more of an issue it seems. I'm sure you heard of Toronto Police advising residents to leave their car key fobs easily accessible to thieves.
Mr. Police Guy: I dunno on your part of the world, but when I was a teenager, in much safer 1980's Spain, the chain _I_ used to hold my bike was... let's say "considerably tougher" than the necklace hanger chain that you claim only radicals would use.
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Maybe our NYPD would know more about bike locks if they ever investigated a bike theft.
Pretty sure asking for a car theft to be investigated is already out of the question in NYC, nevermind a bicycle.
That would require them to actually do work.
I remember seeing a show about if people would do anything about someone actively cutting locks off a bike years ago. IIRC it was filmed in New York, and the police and most passersby did nothing right up until they used an angle grinder. Various bolt cutters, hammers, exc were just ignored.
@@volvo09 By me that will not investigate anything other than the murder of a high profile person, AKA comes to mind. Regular crime is just fill out the form, does you have the insurance, here is the CAS number, nextpersonplease, and that is it.
Do you know what you call something that's paid to do a job, but doesn't do their job and instead wastes that money? A scam. Police restructuring is required. Low IQ dropouts need new jobs as janitors.
THOSE EXACT LOCKS ARE SOLD IN THE CAMPUS BOOKSTORE FFS
You know what I want to buy at my campus bookstore? Yeah. That's right. Literally anything other than a book.
@funkadunk666 they offer it to students at a discount. That's a win, especially in New York where once a bike is stolen its never recovered because the cops won't do anything about bike theft.
To put it simply ( for the simple minded ) it's a good thing!
@@Funk1199 A campus bookstore selling bike locks is a very good business decision:
all that $$ the student isn't spending on buying back their bike for the 100th time off the thieves that stole it can be used to buy books instead and thus bigger profits for the bookstore.
Disc Detainer locks aren't often picked though
@wilms2328 that's why it's such a good lock and is being recommended by the college, LPL also explains the good things about it, I heard no negatives.
Police chief: I've seen many locks from bike thefts and none of them look like this.
Yes, because you have seen the ones that have failed to do their job.
Kind of like the story about reinforcing parts of fighter planes that showed bullet holes, when those were the planes that made it back; instead of parts that didn't show bullet holes which if hit would make the plane go down.
@@RaduStanculescu Was mainly related to large bomber planes, but survivorship bias is indeed a pretty important concept to keep in mind.
He looks more like the type to steal your bike.
@@RaduStanculescuSurvivorship Bias is the one you are thinking of
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Ironically, the University sells these exact locks on their own website. The officer was not clueless, it was deliberate misinformation
It was definitely propaganda, but he could *also* have been clueless - you have to be pretty uninformed to think you can get away with a lie so blatant that looking at the website of the campus you just raided is all it takes to prove you wrong, after all
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Trust me, you don't have to give a cop the benefit of the doubt. Their job isn't to keep people safe it's to make people feel unsafe so they keep their cooshy 200k+ salaries.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 No, they just know a lie gets half way around the world before the truth puts its pants on.
They just have to convince enough people who, if confronted with the truth later, will rationalise it (likely just falling back on a bunch of other lies they were told).
Exactly. They have to throw the blame on "outside agitators" so they can claim it's not their fault, and their students aren't antisemitic a-holes.
@@mascan7905 What's truly mind blowing is a "semite" is anyone who spoke a semitic language which includes Palestinians and other arabs
From what I remember that lock is specifically recommended on the university website which is EXACTLY why students have it!
It isn't only recommended--it is FOR SALE in the university stores! This whole MSNBC piece was "copaganda" intended to demonize the protesters and justify the brutal crackdown on free speech...
I came here to say this, thank you!
Apparently you can buy it in the university bookstore.
@@Tikuros I saw a report that the school offers this lock for sale to students. SMH
You get a student discount on it at the campus bookstore. Killer deal.
You know your security measures are effective when the cops start complaining about them.
You say that as though the police care about being good at their jobs. The worse they do the more job security they have.
Fake cops. REAL cops, like in Santa Rosa County FL want you to use good locks and defend yourself with firearms. Everyone knows NY = fake police. They may as well be bobbies and wear those ridiculous hats.
@@toutlemonde5017 Depends where you are. Blue state? I agree with you. Polk Co. FL? Nope. They are the real cops.
@@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs Hell yeah bro! The motto of every PD in FL, "To oppress, and control".
@@HeWhoIsWhoHeIslmaoo
Kryptonite should sue the NYPD for defamation.
Or send them a cake for the increased sales.
the taxpayers of new york would have to pay for that lawsuit... We need to stop paying for bad apple's battles and change the law so that police are held personally accountable.
@@turtlebunch2 The police are subordinate to the politicians. As long as the politicians tolerate abuse by the police, those politicians are on the hook. Of course, that means the taxpayers are also on the hook.
If this bothers you, note which politicians are enabling this behavior by the police and vote them out of office.
Nah, they should come out with an ad saying "So good even the police can't defeat it" complete with extracts from this interview.
@@turtlebunch2 _END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY!!!_
"You shouldn't be allowed to protect your belongings. You should just let yourself get robbed. Then you should let us not investigate it. You don't want to be an *agitator,* do you?"
Kinda
That's New York for you
Yeah, this kind of bullshit propaganda, coming directly form the police, is terrifying.
Of course cops are talkin rubbish
“You will own nothing…”
Isn't this also the cop who was like "The "students" had books called Introduction to Terrorism, they're clearly troublemakers." even though "Introduction to Terrorism" is one of the classes available at the college and, y'know, doesn't teach terrorism but rather talks about the history of political violence and how it has affected the world?
He must have confused it with the "Terrorism for Dummies" series
What type of brain do you have to have to see that course title and think it's instructions for super villains instead of informational for normal people? What a joke.
@@Tundra. You assume of course the NYPD management are able to read. they had a hard time with Huck Finn, let alone "See Spot Run", and anything without pictures and more than 5 words per page is considered advanced material.
The book they held up was a very short introduction to terrorism. Very short introductions is a book series put out by Oxford lol.
Students reading Introduction to European Monarchy: "Oh no! They're planning to declare themselves kings!"
Those words we long to hear! "The pick that Bosnian Bill and I made"! We miss you on here Bill!
Was going to say the same thing.
🙌
Something I loved about him is that he also shows us his picking failures, so that we don't get the false impression that they can pick every lock they have. In one of their collab videos, LPL mentioned he had about 10 locks he hasn't been able to pick, even though he routinely tries.
I got goosebumps from the anticipation of him saying it
@@coladict Kinda such LPL would show more challenging locks, there are plenty of tough locks out there, just showing a lousy lock every week isn't that interesting.
New Yorker here. I used to be an overnight manager for a Taco Bell and used that Kryptonite lock for YEARS to keep crackheads from stealing my bike. Worked like a charm. Fuck that cop, that's a working man's bike lock.
Fuck yeah
Amusingly, the university recommends this bike lock to students and even sells it to them at a discount. Professional agitators indeed.
It sure would be nice if the news would call people out for these kinds of obvious lies.
@@EpsilonRosePersonal There's a general taboo in calling law enforcement straight-up liars because it undermines a lot of what lets us feel secure. Incompetent we can handle, but deceitful we just can't. And yet...
It's the NYPD, what did you expect. They and the LAPD are some of the largest criminal organizations in this country.
@@Exarianif they don’t wanna be called liars they should (and I know this is a wild concept for them) just not lie
3 minutes 22 seconds, the man picked a difficult lock and picked apart the argument of a NYPD deputy commissioner. Never mess with a lock picking lawyer.
To be fair, the commissioner is at a big disadvantage here, LPL has actually appeared in court as a lawyer, not as a piece of court furniture.
@@SeanBZAThat pig is a piece of something...
The actual picking was only 1 of those minutes too. And that's starting the clock when he starts to set the disks, not when he started the actual picking.
@@MxMe-su1chhonestly though, that's actually a decent fight from a lock for him. Most are under a minute to pick.
@aaronscott7467 Oh definitely. Price for quality, Kryptonite locks are quite good. Abus too IIRC. They're both recommended for ebikes, so long as you also detach the battery as that is often what is stolen.
The best part of his claim is that on the University in question 's website and on site store they sell this exact lock and chain.
Only because they support the woke. /s
Where? I didnt see it on their website?
@@SirFancyPantsMceeit's on their public safety website, not the bookstore.
@@b.c.9358 Just found it thanks
It's interesting nypd doesn't have skilled lockpicking detectives. nypd used to be legendary.
I love how LPL basically just asserted that the NYPD put their officers in unnecessary danger to cut off the locks rather than calling an experienced lock smith who could safely remove them in seconds. Fits in line with the rest of the unnecessary escalation by the NYPD though.
Like the PD in Uvalde that didn't bother trying the door handle and went searching for the custodian while kids were being murdered. Cowards and idiots.
Or just brake the door ffs. They have the tools for it, and door will break much easier then lock (unless its a very good one, which is already not most of them).
"NYPD cant break into these locks, stop using them"
Ya thats the F'n Point
They should had asked a lawyer instead of a police officer.
lol so right
"The Lawyer"...=))
Their first mistake was consulting a police officer for anything at all given their track record for, y'know, lying and exaggerating
He would have picked the lock and then relocked to pick again. Just to prove it wasn’t a fluke.
@@LKValand especially an NYPD officer given their notorious attitude towards cyclists... (Even on the opposite coast I've heard a lot about NYPD thugs parking in bike lanes in order to ticket cyclists who try to go around them and even beating any who object to being ticketed!)
"This is not what students bring to school" followed by "this is what we encountered on every door"...
Idk mister commissioner, sure sounds like there are a lot of students with them
Although he was wrong, that's not what he was getting at
I'm am zero percent surprised that the police commissioner is clueless about bike security. 🙄
Not clueless, just a liar.
We're assuming that they're idiots, as opposed to intentionally misinterpreting items they find. Prayer candles are incendiary devices according to local cop logic.
So the cop has basically endorsed this lock as being a good security choice as it’s difficult to quickly remove, which is kind of the purpose of a good lock.
He has also just announced to anyone with nefarious intentions which lock will cause the authorities the most inconvenience 😂
Exactly. He's holding up a visual example of the easily available consumer item that he least wants to see used in any future protests. He basically wrote an instruction manual "whatever you do, don't do this".
Coincidebtally this lock just got at the top of the list for a future bike lock for me xD
They'll say whatever they need to say to maintain their narrative. They know full well why so many of those locks are on campuses; it's just convenient for them to invent an entirely new reason so they can justify doing what they want to do.
This was on MSNBC, not Fox.
@@ferretyluv Ah yes, MSDNC. Who cares?
And what is it they want to do? (I'm out of the loop here)
@@Chris-hx3ompaint the generation protesting against illegal military action as the bad guys. They did it during the Vietnam war, the Iraq war and their trying to do it again.
@@Chris-hx3om they want to justify illegal military action by painting the protesters as the bad guys. They did it in the Vietnam war, the Iraq war, and they're going to try to do it again
The stupidest and most embarrassing part of that cop's declaration is that those exact bike locks are sold to students in the university store. It just goes to show propaganda doesn't care about facts as long as it can create a villain for you to be afraid of or hate.
I like how they brought it out without the sheath over the chain so it looks scarier. They sold this one on the school's store as one of the suggested bike locks.
Hi NY resident here... all I can say is this is embarrassing. The commissioner should know where he works a lot of people don't have cars and use other methods of getting around places. And sometimes... SOMETIMES... people would like to prevent an easily stolen item from being well stolen...
The commissioner is an idiot in charge of an idiot force. NYPD is one of the most incompetent groups of people on the planet IF you go by stats.
Why don't those residents just simply get another free loaner car from police impound? 🤔
They more focus on giving opportunity to criminals, basically making a crime conducive environment. Forgetting about good citizen that should be prioritize.
@@gappergob6169modt blue places are like that now. sad.
Everyone running civil offices in NYC are embarrassments.
NYPD Deputy Commissioner Shepard should resign
when everyday people have to have locks this beefy to safeguard their bikes, talk about backfiring
There is a mixture of blame between the law and the authority to enforce the law.
If murder was a 24 hour sentence instead of 25 years, it would not matter how many people you arrested and convicted for it, police would never keep up.
It's like this everywhere in the world these days.
nypd famously does jack shit about bike theft, so it’s probably the first time he’s ever seen a proper bike lock.
No, just in Liberal cities.
@@marklanders630 That is because the criminal races are everywhere these days.
Columbia University's own Department of Public Safety sells these locks to students on campus!!! You get a student discount!! Of course students have them!
Police saying things they know little or nothing about. My father was a cop for forty years and taught me to never take legal advice from the police. Seems bike locks are another thing to add to that list.
No shit, cops are not attorneys, why would you take legal advice from them? LOL
@@venom5809 They enforce the law, so I guess people think that means they understand it better than the average joe. It's like if you hired a janitor and asked his /mop/ for cleaning advice. Sure, the mop helped, but mostly because of the knowledge of the person employing it.
That's a great line but the other thing about cops is you never know when they are joking or not! 🙂
@@venom5809 you'd hope that someone enforcing the law knows the law, yeah??
A cop blaming a lock for delaying their "emergency services group" entering a building of protestors, and it's picked within 60 seconds.
Yep, that sounds about right.
NYC Commissioner "Why use your brain when you can use brute force instead. It's why we have this big budget for toys to use."
That's great talk and all, but 60 seconds is a lot when a fire department is delayed.
@@robertlitman2661 no it isn't
@@robertlitman2661 Good thing no fire departments were delayed, then! Only police who were there to arrest students.
@@robertlitman2661 FD has no reason to not destroy things, that lock will be removed, or more exactly the door itself, using a Halligan tool, in less time than it takes to find the key for the regular lock.
"more secure setup on the bike rack"
This probably should be count as a high praise from LPL. I definately want one of those securing my bike. Not many people have a pick that "Bosnian Bill and LPL" made.
They will go steal the bike without that lock, though of course will steal the wheels of yours, along with any parts easy to remove.
and even if they do, maybe they are not good at picking with it (avoids eye contact 🤣)
@@SeanBZA Well I use a U-lock similar to that, to attach the bike frame alongside the back wheel to something stationary and then use that chain with a lttile bit less beefy lock to attach the front wheel to the frame and if possible to the stationary thing. If I feel extra paranoid I have some cables I can use to attach the saddle to the rest. Yeah, they can use a bolt cutter to steal my saddle, if they want to make that much effort for so little reward.
Of course depends on where I'm going. If I go somewhre the bike is pretty much safe and have difficult attachment points, I often use the chain to attach frame and back tire to something sttationary and I have a little folding lock (had to buy it for insurance reasons, because the Kryptonites were too old) that I then use for the front wheel. Can be cut with a bolt cutter, too. But hey, that is my setup for locations I could probably get away with not locking the bike at all.
even with that tool it takes incredible experience, as well as a calm hand and brain which is obviously not always given considering circumstances and person attempting the pick
@@Broggi93 Most bike thieves will not got for picking. Usually they will use a destructive method. I have seen videos, where people tried stealing a bike in broad daylight with a battery powered angle grinder and no one said a thing.
So as you can't rake the lock open, I doubt anyone will try to open the lock non destructive.
Lockpicking Lawyer never speaks in absolutes, but when he says, "depends on whether or not they want to keep their bike," that is basically as good as "buy this"
*Well, I trust that Kryptonite will be suing Commissioner Sheppard of the NYPD for associating their brand with professional criminals*
Although to reasonable people, it was a good endorsement for them.
Unfortunately it won't do them any good to sue the professional criminals. The cops, of course.
@@chrismay2298 damned qualified immunity
i'm not a lawyer so idk if it'd work, but oh my goodness i hope they do, and i hope they win.
Which is especially ironic since the entire purpose of their products is to deter crime
I have the smaller chain from kryptonite and had to cut off the lock as it was seized. I’m a mechanic and we wanted to see how tough it was.
We used the largest bolt cutters we had and had two guys leaning on one of the handles. Needless to say the blades snapped off before the chain broke.
That’s amazing! Just looking at the chain, I would’ve never suspected it was that strong. thanks for performing this test. Maybe you should tell Kryptonite about it.
Having worked in a place that used dozens of cut off discs (12" dia and larger) a day, I can say that disc blow-ups are frightening. We left the remnants of a couple of burst discs that ended up stuck in the ceiling as a warning. Diamond impregnated ones are the way to go. LPL knows his stuff.
But grinders have a protection cap for that ?
@@HappyDude1 Is that what those things with the clamps on them are? Straight to the trashcan...
@@HappyDude1Those are far from perfect because you need the open part to work with and you need to see what you're doing. There are plenty of pics online of those fragments embedded in safety glasses.
@@HappyDude1 I should have mentioned that the machines used were fixed installation hand operated saws for cutting off lengths of metal bars up to 2 1/2 inch diameter. There had to be somewhere to get the bars in, which meant there was always an open area for the bits of burst disc to escape. Nevertheless, the people operating the saws were well protected.
@@chrismay2298why would you do that? The grinder still works fine with the guard fitted. Folks that disregard safety in this manner are just fools, some injuries that you can get from such behaviour will change your life for the worse forever.
Other people have pointed out that this lock is sold AT THE UNIVERSITY! That cop is either stupid or a liar. Either way he doesn't belong in that job. Bravo on calling him out!
I don't think he was a liar. Just uneducated and lazy. Some people are too lazy to check things out so they pretend their gut feeling is the truth.
Thats right, students want to use low quality locks so their bikes are stolen.
Just like the food those "agitators" ate would never be eaten by regular students.
Anyone else remember when the NYPD leaked an internal document that was basically a DIY guide to 3d printing firearms? NYPD never ceases to amaze.
3D printing firearms is incredibly easy on paper. Anyone who has actually printed a firearm will tell you, they are much more difficult to get right than you would assume.
@@johndeerdrew For sure but it was nice of NYPD to give such a good list of websites that sell parts kits, good printers, good filament and other great beginner resources :)
@@johndeerdrew Printing documents is also incredibly easy on paper.
@@EricDeKirkwood99 it's easier to just buy a gun from a back alley by asking around... "3d printed guns" are nothing to worry about and are pushed by the media to stir up drama.
Probably can't even fire a .22 round out of the best plastic gun without it exploding. (That's the smallest ammo, size of an average pea.)
@@volvo09 You have a lot to research.... LOL!
Yeah they literally built and sold it FOR THEM what a clown.
I'm betting New York is going to ban the use of bike locks to ensure student safety.
More like for the safety of the police
Okay! As long as they'll then replace any stolen bike.
Sure sounds like it.
I'll raise your bet to include them trying to ban bikes and motorscooters too...
They've already banned guns, this is just the next step
The NYPD lying? Who ever would have guessed?
At the moment you hear "disc detainer core" you know which tool is coming to the scene.
It came out later that this very model lock is sold in the campus book store so they didn't do much research either.
I was a juror on a kidnapping trial where the detectives that arrived on the scene where the victim was being held basically went "huh, looks like the victim was held here" and did -zero- additional fact finding on the farm he had been locked up at. Even when they're doing their jobs they don't bother to do any research
They are aware, they were just lying. NYPD lies constantly.
Thank you for sharing factual information and not propaganda. Cheers. 👐
Its funny because Columbia has this exact Kryptonite and chain on their campus store... so yeah, they do bring it and Columbia recommends you use it.
That police chief needs to learn a very important axiom, "Correlation, doesn't equal causation".
They probably had those chains so they could keep their bikes from being stolen, and just used them and left the bikes at home.
Correlation: The rioters used locks from the school's shop.
@@Aimless6 Oh, that's even funnier.
The police had to PHYSICALLY REMOVE the protective cover off his "example" so it would look more dangerous and possibly illegal.
@@radbaronNot sure who they're trying to fool. City dwellers know what a bike chain lock is and for everyone else they made it look like hardware store chain.
What, you think he went to University?
"When in doubt, make it up." - Police Everywhere
Yes, and sadly they're allowed to lie like Trump lies without repercussions.
@@ShadowDragon8685That aged like milk.
@@PugnaciousProductions Even with the conviction he's gonna get a slap on the wrist.
"They were on every door" WELL MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR STUFF STOLEN!! I'm sure universities have top notch locks and security in place for dorms :)
I can confirm as a student, this is the type of lock I carry, and I don't even live in NY
"Oh, it's a disk detainer core, is he going to say it? THERE IT IS! He said it!"
You know you're an LPL fan when you know what "tptbbaim" means.
@@Funk1199RIP to BB. Miss that guy!
@@brianblank9921 He's not dead.
@@Rentta lol, yes, but to UA-cam he is.
I bet the cops knew they were not unusual for students to have. But lied anyway.
Masterlock has a worthy competitor in the lying department!
I dunno why I found it hilarious when LPL said "It depends on whether they want to keep their bike" at the end lol. Love the dry humor.
So... A high ranking police officer just went out and assumed that people using a high security bike lock are "Agitators"? what the hell? YOU'RE A COP. YOU FOLLOW EVIDENCE, NOT ASSUMPTIONS.
Ah, but you're _assuming_ he follows evidence and not assumptions. Rookie mistake.
In blue states, feelings > evidence
You know what's even bad about the commissioner saying that it's not a chain students bring to school? The exact lock he's holding is sold in the school shop (or so I've been told)
The police had to remove the protective layer from the chain to make it look illegal and more frightening.
good to know that my lawyer has a healthy distrust of police officers
That commissioner wasn't ignorant. We has lying. He lied about those locks because he needed an excuse for abusing protesters. It's about silencing dissent.
The Commissioner's dumbass comment about the bike lock aside, there ARE rioters out there. Let's just be very clear about that. And even "peaceful protesters" have and are holding up major motorways and blocking entrances to buildings just to be as much of a public nuisance as humanly possible.
This is about as close to a recommendation as LPL gives. Just yesterday I bought my son, a Kryptonite bike lock with a disc detainer core based on my learning from this channel.
Damn that's crazy. Every door? I wish there was any reason to ever believe the NYPD though. Then maybe we'd know more.
Firefighter 1: A KRYPTONITE LOCK!?! THIS IS GOING TO TAKE US FOREVER TO CUT THROUGH THIS LOCK!!
Firefighter 2: No. I have waited a long time to use my secret weapon. **unsheathes mysterious device** Behold! The Pick that Bosnian Bill and I made!
In an actual emergency, during that conversation, Firefighter 3 would have pulled out their halligan bar and broken open the door.
Locks only matter if you’re not willing to destroy what they’re attached to. Firefighters work by different rules in actual emergencies.
NYPD: people don’t bring this to lock up their bike
LPL: shows package with 3 common uses depicted; sitting scooter, motorcycle and… *BIKE*
Disc Detainer!!!!...."The pick that Bosnian Bill and I made"...HE SAID IT!!!
These locks were sold in the university store as "the bike lock to have"".
The fine Commissar didn’t care about facts, he cared about his message.
Why would anyone expect NYPD Management to get anything right? Especially where theft prevention is concerned.
Professional agitator: someone who works to specifically annoy other people.
Dunno, that sure sounds like most new yorkers to me, especially when the Red Sox beat the Yankees.
Professional agitator: someone who doesn't want crap stolen
cops fit that description pretty well TBH
Sounds like cops.
there is no job listing as a "professional" agitator. otherwise every single politician would have to register.
The best part is that they sell/recommend these locks on the college website.
A cop lied!? I'm shocked. Shocked!
That police commissioner comes off as either an idiot or a crooked cop. It doesn't matter what you use to defeat the lock, he's the biggest tool I've ever seen.
Honestly, it sounds like the lock might be not be the weakest point in security, which basically means the lock is doing it's job.
More like it IS a weakest point in still very strong system. This thing is one of the best you can put on your bike it seems.
Wow! "The pick that Bosnian Bill and I made" - makes a welcome appearance. A very useful tool indeed. I got mine from Sparrows.
Meanwhile, police have a pile of Master Lock locks found at every bike rack with chains that are intact and the lock looks like it is brand new.
I saw his interview on MSNBC and I was really hoping the next question would be, "You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?"
Bosnian Bill pick mentioned 😮
When he has to brake out the special tool that nobody has !!! You know it's a good lock
“The pick that Bosnian Bill and I made”. Yes!!! 💪 I love hearing those words.
Thank you for bringing to light their lies
That officer neither invested in a bike in his life, nor investigated a bike theft. Because who cares like hundreds of them get stolen everyday....
Right now in the market for a new lock for my new E-cargobike. I think the kryptonite NYC series is the right thing for me.
I'm also a professional agitator though.
I’ve heard you referenced on several different UA-cam channels lately, always with reverence and respect. So that tells me you are doing things right Sir! Been a fan for a long time. Just started trying to pick recently as I’m in charge of a 150 unit upscale residential complex. Locks used to scare me to get inside of them. Now they are fun and interesting, because you have shown us they aren’t usually something to be afraid of. So thanks Sir!
So good to hear Bill get a mention, you two were formidable
Whenever LPL sais "disc detainer core" my ears are tingling in anticipation for the following sentence.
wow... just wow... maybe it's a conspiracy to discourage anyone from using bike locks that actually work 😂
Designed for new york? That tells you everything you need to know.
That was much quicker than an Angle Grinder AND much safer all round ;-)
Well, I wouldn't exactly accuse police officers of being smart individuals, so I'm not surprised at the commissioner's misinformed assertions.
Ah yes, because I'm sure you know the exact ins-and-outs of locks currently being used at Columbia University, it's just common knowledge we all have of course.
@@Perseus7567 The university themselves sell these locks to their students.
@Perseus7567 it would have taken him a pretty quick google search to find out his statement is false. He doesn't need to know exactly how many are on campus to understand that it's a very popular bike lock in that area.if you're going on the news, even just a basic level of research on what you're talking about should be the bare minimum
Put the following into your favorite search engine:
Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops
By ABC News
September 8, 2000, 8:32 AM
@@Perseus7567That cop said that they found them on all the doors. We know these locks are used. The fact that they’re literally called New York locks probably should have clued in the cops but of course they don’t care. They just want to pretend the kids are an organized military so anything they do is justified.
I hope the police guy saying that doesnt make people start not buying strong locks as to not look like an "agitator".
""He looked suspicious and he had a terrorist style lock with him.""
Or prevents people from biking so they don’t have to worry about being considered criminals for not wanting their bike stolen.
But of course the police would never be anti-bike. It’s not like they’re sponsored by the Ford motor company or anything.
I'm not anti-Police, but I think this shows the BIG difference between an Authority Figure, and an Authoritative Figure. LPL isn't in a position to tell people what to do, but he DOES know what he's talking about, whereas the Police officer is talking nonsense.
I'm sure hes checking out every stolen bike case in New York...
I hope Bosnian Bill is doing well!!
That's the exact lock i have for my bike. It's a bit heavy but the weight is totally worth it.
Professional Agitator spotted
When you're a cop...and admit that, in your city, residents must resort to using such beefy locks...you're admitting your city has a crime problem.
If the NYPD hates it, then I must have it.
Great video as always.
Police giving misinformation or unhelpful information is becoming more of an issue it seems.
I'm sure you heard of Toronto Police advising residents to leave their car key fobs easily accessible to thieves.
In Sweden, if you do not use look like this on your bike, your insurance will not cover your bike if stolen.
Thank YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the blade info
Diamond are cheap and safe
didn;t realize
wear goggles!
YES!!! I just knew we would see the pick that Bosnian Bill and I built!
Mr. Police Guy: I dunno on your part of the world, but when I was a teenager, in much safer 1980's Spain, the chain _I_ used to hold my bike was... let's say "considerably tougher" than the necklace hanger chain that you claim only radicals would use.
NYPD handled that whole scenario rather poorly, IMHO.
😂 Columbia sold the Kryptonite New York lock with Fahgettaboudit 3.25 ft Chain for $70 and even advertised it Comes with a $3500 anti theft insurance.
Brit' here. Cyclists over in blighty have to use chain locks like this too, or a couple of D locks with an extender cable or two 🤔.