@@KeroZimerman after he tried it multiple times to lessen the time to make it seem like he did it right the first time he never opens these without have done it multiple times before filming, it’s what he has said repeatedly in his earlier videos
There are novice pickers. There are veteran pickers. There are experienced pickers. There are exceptional pickers. And there is the Lock Picking Layer. BosnianBill called him a "generational talent" previously. LPL is among the greatest lock pickers alive.
I love seeing the cores removed and gutted. It makes it so much easier to learn the connection between, say, counter-rotation and the presence of a spool.
Same, yeah. His pivot from locksport to "making people aware of bad security" is understandable, but I really miss the trading of challenge locks and destructive entry stuff.
@@t3hd0n Nah, from what he said in the SaintCon talk he gave, it was a deliberate effort to showcase bad locks and shame companies into fixing their crap.
I swear lock makers have started making their products as shiny as possible just to try identifying LPL. There’s going to come a day where he has to wear a mask to open some of these locks 😅
His left hand movements seemed unsusual for me, and I guess it's not to leave his fingerprints on the top of the padlock. You can see the pattern of his hands on the padlock after he picks it up, but the fingertips just touched its sides, not visible to the camera.
Visited the Factory in Germany where they make these locks. The core is interchangable and you can get some very high security keys/keyways in there. In house we use a ZOLIT system patented to 2032.
Dolby did something similar with the original Dolby Digital on film encoding. The digital bits were encoded in a patch (similar to a modern QR code) but it had a Dolby logo in the center. The decoder looked for that symbol, and thus no one else could encode the signal on film without violating their trademark.
So did the Gameboy. The system won't fully boot unless the cartridge displays the Gameboy logo. This prevented third party developers from creating games without Nintendo approval.
Another great example is the CPUID in Intel 486DX2 and later. Intel ones return the phrase "GenuineIntel", others return their own 12 letter trademark phrases such as "CyrixInstead" . Apple machines used to contain a chip returning a copyrighted poem about not copying MacOsX. Not sure how legal virtual machine software emulates that without running on obsolete Apple hardware .
@@johndododoe1411 I'm pretty sure that CPUID field was originally intended just for informational purposes, not anything trademark or legal related. The point was that there are actually some situations (such a when uploading microcode, or working around CPU bugs, etc) where you actually really do need to know whether you're dealing with an Intel CPU or one made by a different manufacturer, because even if they are nominally compatible on the outside, subtle differences in the internal design from one manufacturer to the next can actually sometimes matter. I've never personally heard of the Apple poem thing, and can't seem to find any references to it online at all. Are you sure that was actually real? In any case, I don't actually see why that would be subject to any better legal protection than the copyright that already existed on the rest of the Apple ROM images anyway...
@@foogod4237 Any 'normal' code in a ROM could be argued as independently developed, even if it was exactly the same code. But that could not be argued for a unique poem (unless you subscribe to the million-monkeys theory). Same here with the key channel - any number of slots and grooves could be independently developed, but not spelling out ABUS.
@@foogod4237 Yes, the value has been quoted in technical contexts as a secret hex value. But once I saw that all bytes were ASCII codes for letters, I could read it as text.
This reminds me of the Famicom Disc system by Ninendo! An expansion device for the Japanese NES, it used what were essentially standard floppy discs to make producing games far cheaper, but consequently they'd be quite easy to make bootlegs of. To get around this, Nintendo added their name to the molding of the disc cartridges, and made it so that if those letters WEREN'T there, it wouldn't be able to close the lid and therefore couldn't boot! Of course, people eventually found ways to get around these measures, but I still think it was quite a clever piece of hardware-based copy protection!
A similar thing was done in the BIOS of the original IBM PC where system software would have COPYRIGHT IBM at a specific location in memory. Some of the system software would look for the letters IBM at the specific spot and fail if they didn't find it. Black box cloners (those who wrote their own equivalent but with no knowledge aside from documented functionality) turned to writing XXXXXNOT IBM at that location so the check for IBM would succeed without them putting in a false copyright statement.
Game boy carts are required by the loader to display the Nintendo logo in order for any cart to be executed (I.e. the Nintendo logo code is verified to be present) for the same reason. If you include it in your non licensed game you will have committed trademark violation.
Sega did this with the Genesis by requiring the on-board ROM to start with something like "licensed by Sega enterprises" called TMSS (Trademark Security System). They even took somebody to court over it but ended up losing.
also similar and from the same era, Sega’s Trademark Security System required writing “SEGA” to a certain address on some Genesis/Mega Drive models during the boot process, which would then display a screen saying that the software was officially licensed by Sega. When Accolade reverse‐engineered this and used it to get their unlicensed games to run, Sega filed a lawsuit. Sega v. Accolade was a very important ruling for copyright and trademark law, and it established that this overstepped the scope of copyright and trademark law, and ultimately held Sega responsible for forcing its trademark on Accolade’s games. So none of this even worked at all, and Sega lost! And now we have a bunch of Sega hardware that has this annoying DRM which was entirely useless even in its day.
PlayStation one used a similar system. Games were on CDs and the lens of the reader is able to wobble a bit to adjust to the trace of the CD within a certain tolerance. Original games were made to make the lens intentionally wobble and the wobble pattern was the signature of an original game that required a special machine to be burned on a CD. Copied games did not have that pattern and thus failed the authenticity check, unless of course the playstation was modified to skip that.
The many identical pins in known locations helped giving the game away, unlike an unpredictable combination of different security pins with different false sets to skip.
He's sure to have picked this lock at least a dozen times before filming, and I'm sure he gutted it at least once too. And then he may have filmed it multiple times to get the best opening. There are several locksport pickers who do locks like these straight out of a sealed package- now THAT is what I call impressive.
Got into lock picking as a hobby from watching you and Bosnian Bill. Like for years. I bought a cheap Amazon pick set and started learning, then got a better set but can't wait to have some of your tools. The covert Companion, notch decoder, dimple pick and rake, tubular core picks, etc. I love you and all your knowledge you spread! Keep up the amazing work! One day I want to be a true professional lockpicker.
I got the covert companion with expansion packs a few months back. It's drawback is that the shortest of the tools takes getting used to and you loose the sensitivity of a longer pick. The upshot is it's way less bulky than my overstuffed pick wallet and can be carried in my top pocket and forgotten about. It also has a lanyard attachment but the stabby parts make it impractical to wear on a necklace. Also, I've found that a rubber band or ladies hair tie is necessary to keep it from unfolding. I would still recommend you getting one.
@micahestep7679 rubber band to keep it from unfolding??? if put together correctly all the parts are firm not loose i had to take mine apart because i forgot a rubber washer
@@dukegust8818 yeah, it's not super loose but still an issue if carried in a pants pocket. I prefer to secure it with a rubber band or hair tie to protect my genitals which are well above average in size and often get in the way if stuffed down the same pant leg as my pick tools and other e.d.c. 😊
I really recommend getting into making your own tools. It doesn't take much time at all, saves a ton of money, and you will eventually find that you can make tools that suit your picking technique better than anything you can buy.
This is why I purchase certain padlocks by it will "require an experienced picker" "LockPickingLawyer". And yes I have been picking a little, its harder then you think, its an art form with a very good technique. Its like playing a Piano, practice, practice!
Well said. I have experience picking in the rake style and disassembling locks, but I've recently tried picking single pins (the right way to do it for tough locks) and I barely could handle the tool.
1:30 I heard an anti-spam proposal around the year 2000 or so: all non-spam mail senders would have a certain piece of data in the mail "header" (the electronic information your mail software usually hides from you but you may have seen, that gives details of what computers are sending and receiving it as its passed on, etc.) that spam mail couldn't use. How to prevent people from copying it? Copyright! It turns out poems can be copyrighted, even should they be very tiny. So the proposed poem was something like "the presence of this poem is to say; that you will have a spam-free day" or something dumb but copywritable like that. Anyone copying it illegally could be sued for punitive damages in most of the world.
Call me crazy, but the way the lock was picked up just before picking it looked remarkably like a slight of hand move. Sliding something into the hand holding the lock unseen. Particularly the way your fingers moved once you had a grip on the lock, like you were maneuvering a hidden thing into position.
Astute observation… you will often see me handling shiny locks in peculiar ways, or placing them in positions that I’ve predetermined. It’s the least intrusive way of ensuring my reflection doesn’t appear on video. 👍
@@lockpickinglawyer I love your tools. The first lock I ever picked was with the Companion the night I assembled it. Any suggestions where to get a tabletop vise like yours without breaking the bank? I can only ever find ones that affix themselves to the side of a table.
I love how he sings the praises of the lock and all its security features and then bypasses it almost instantly. There's really no such think as a "good" lock capable of keeping LPL out.
There was one challenge lock he couldn't pick, and one lock with weird key way that couldn't be picked. That's what I can immediately remember. There could be more.
@@queazocotal Bowley has been picked elsewhere though and the single row variant has even been EPGd, its an interesting lock but certainly not top of the pile when it comes to pick resistance by some way. Don't think LPLs ever shown an Abloy protec. Evva mcs is a another very tough pick, there's a vid of someone doing it but taking 10-20min and using a stethoscope...
Abloy does the same with their keys that still has the patent valid. You can only order keys from the locksmith with an plastic keycard that shows proof of ownership.
Yes! My favorite videos (besides the April fools ones) are the ones in which we get to see the insides of the device in question. Glad to see another one.
LPL you are amazing! First you talk about all the fancy stuff on the lock and the key and then you open it in less than a minute. 😂 I got to say I giggle whenever you talk about the lock and it's intricacies and then you tear it apart. You are the definition of making something look exceedingly simple but does take an extreme amount of practice and skill to do what you do? Thank you very much. 👍💯
Allthough you are correct in the patent issue, we found that some key profiles that are not patented, fit in patented systems... there for you can replicate the key... and abus counter that with the same profile key but with the Zolit mechanism, and its still hard to duplicate the key without an original blank, but its not impossible.
Is this the most secure (non-massive, insanely expensive) lock you've ever shown on the channel? Your commentary (relative to the usual treatment) left me extremely impressed
I would say there's a couple in the naughty bucket chronicles that could give this lock a run for its money, but this is def a solid lock. Easily top 10% of the locks he's shown on this channel.
Not even close. He used to review challenging and secure locks almost exclusively back before episode 500. I miss those days, cause all the shitty locks are getting boring.
Spools alone makes the picking easier once you know the feedback of them. The alternating spools and "christamas trees" in my ASSA 700 however really messes with me. And because the tolerances are so tight I can change the binding order by swapping the driver pins.
Thanks as always. Nice to see the lock taken apart. Yes, I have seen and remembered several CI shorts on you tube. The AD that comes to mind is the "Rocket" rake example. Might I say the ads seem more "skip the lock" than lock sport. Just my opinion and some feed back.
A little odd that the pins could be picked in order like that. Usually with spools and serrated pins it takes a few tries to get the order right since the entire point of security pins is that you can't easily feel the binding order. Having them bind front to back seems like this particular lock either got unlucky, or the design has a flaw that makes the security pins less effective.
@@EricPetersen2922 It should take multiple passes -- e.g, say we have an excellent but only 4 pin lock it might go click on one, nothing on two, three is binding, got a click on three, four is binding, counter rotation on 4, 4 feels set, something dropped back down, starting over another click on one, two is binding and we got this open. But this lock was "one. two. three. four. five. six." no revisits, no drops.
@@EricPetersen2922 That's not the point Tyson is making. He's saying he thought it was odd that all the pins bound in order and didn't need to be reset. I was also thinking the same... maybe its something to do with tolerances???🤔
This has happened several times before. (I commented on there being 2 such examples in 2 consecutive weeks, but don't know how to search for old comments, or I would give the episode numbers.) Relieved to see it isn't something I've just misunderstood! I stared at the key bitting here, but saw no clue that LPL could be sub-consciously choosing such locks.
@@davidcovington901 Any idea why ? I'm very curious as to how LPL was able to go from pins 1-6 and didn't have to go back an reset any pins. Never seen that myself, but I'm not the LPL, I'm just a mere mortal.
On the potential trademark protection for the keyway and key: While it might prevent exact clones of the lock, I doubt it would stop companies making keys. In Sega v. Accolade the appeals court rejected Sega's attempt to do something that's very similar in concept (system only accepting software if it contained the trademark protected "SEGA" logo) and stated using trademarks to bypass copy protection was protected as Fair Use.
The smaller diameter of the spool middle means that if the middle of the spool is in the shear line, you will have to relieve tension to allow the wider shoulder to pass the shear line. This could allow your other pins to unset, and you start all over.
In addition to what Andy said the spool will defeat novice pickers because the pin appears to be set (by feel) and they will get confused as to what is holding the lock up. Serrated pins are the same idea, they provide tactile feedback when the pin slides past the serrations that can trick someone into thinking the pin is set.
I've found those tweezers are handy for some things when soldering and desoldering. I keep a modified and a standard set around. Grind off the flat end and you have a good lifting tool for SMD parts. It lifts just enough to get both ends up quickly. A standard pair for the times you want to keep the part raised off the PCB a specific height for magnet wire under.
Learned locks and lockpicking, 40 yrs ago, and realized, only needed to pick a few locks, for myself ,in that time. Things have changed, apparently, this can be addicting, especially when you become very proficient, plus, it becomes a lucrative on line business!
Mauer did something similar, with a keyway that looks like two "M"s, one of them upside down. They also patented and trademarked that to prevent others from making key blanks.
The shop I ran used to sell that lock with the standard core for $110. I took an order one day for 60 of them, with a 1 meter section of the 8mm square hardened chain for each, and 60 keys, all keyed alike. It was a government job and all up with the labor and freight it was something around $13,000. I got my two days wages out of that and that's it. Not even a thank you. Kind of soured me a bit cause I took the job for them and the price gouging in the industry is part of why I didn't stay.
Interesting use of the trademark on the keyway. SEGA attempted something similar with the Genesis game console in the early 90s, but in SEGA v. Accolade, ultimately the court sided with Accolade, finding that "the trademark is misused if it serves to limit competition in the manufacture and sales of a product."
FYI on all the Abus 83 models I've seen (including this one) you can use the LPL T-pin + master wafer (#2 works for me) trick in pin 4 to brick the lock in the event of a picking attempt, if you want.
I'm not sure the need for key blanks is going to hold back key copying. My local Walmart has a key cutting vending machine where you stick your key in a slot and the machine measures the key dimensions and cuts a flat key blank to duplicate it. Its probably one step below a full 3d scanner and cutter but you can probably get most standard keys even with unusual keyways. It just cuts keys along all sides rather than one edge. Also means the machine only needs to stock flat key blank stock. If its really good it might do side sliders too.
i think the little detail of the keyway spelling ABUS thats a very subtle thing that id only expect LPL to see despite how easily he picked it. i think its cool to see that attention to detail
[IP clinical law prof and fan here.] Not legal advice, of course, but if they were going to try to stop people from building compatible locks or keys using trademark law on the shape of the keyway, they're unlikely to be successful because of the "functionality doctrine." That basically says the functional features of a product can't be protected as marks. I usually teach the doctrine with the TrafFix Supreme Court case. (Won't let me post a link.)
Very creative use of trademark laws which are saner then copyright laws anyway. They had to go out of their way to design it like this and could even market on it later
How would the pick resistance offered by spools compare with the pick resistance offered by using tapered driver pins, and having the longest key pins be spooled at the top, with a diameter slightly bigger than that of the tapered bottoms of the drivers? I would think that doing that would mean that by the time the core turned enough to set the drivers, the longer keypins would be locked in the bottom position making it hard to pick a shorter pin immediately behind.
Not having the blanks available would have stopped people in the past, but not now with 3D printers, and CNC routers readily available. Indeed, there's people that don't know how to cut keys that might just use a CNC instead, and not even know about the copy proofing.
I think it's important to note for the general public that even a high quality lock with no obvious flaws or bypasses is still quickly defeated by an experienced picker. Anyone who is determined to access the area behind a lock is probably going to get to it. So you can have reasonably affordable deterrence, but true security through a lock is a little bit of an illusion.
ABUS isn't the only company, which use the brand for legal protection there keys, instead of patents. EVVA does it to. The EPS-M is mostly identical to the EPS, except the shape of the key way, which represents from top to bottom E-V-V-A. The EPS-M is a little bit easier to pick, because the keyway is wider than the EPS-keyway.
Well, quite normal. Abloy has patented their newest locktypes, always has. The patent does always expire after enough years. Yes, it's to prevent anyone to just copy any key and also the business reason. For example in a house that has been rented to someone, the tenant cannot just go easily copy the key without permission.
@@TestECull You already tried? It is definitely NOT an easy task. Oh yes you can set up a CNC machine to do it - but that will copy any key without magnets or really special features.
But the shape of the keyway means a clever aftermarket key would simply not have the "S". A "Compatible" key probably can be found or made pretty simply, too. It doesn't "need" all that fluting and deep grooves, the keyway is *basically* straight across.
I do like seeing that ABUS has drill protection in the core in the form of hardened pins. I have been a fan of the American series 700 for quite some time and ABUS is climbing up there with very appealing security features.
The biggest problem with this in my opinion is that trademarks are legally limited to distinctive and not functional aspects. By using the trademark in this way, it cannot be enforced. I'm admittedly a little shocked that some courts haven't completely cancelled trademarks outright when the holder attempts to use it in a functional way such as this or the famous Sega TMSS. I'd have ordered a full recall of the product to remove the trademark aspect to the functional part or in the alternate permanently cancelled the respective trademark as it no longer served the purpose it was intended to.
I just bought a lock picking kit with a practice clear lock from Jaycar in Australia. It took putting a rake in to unlock. It literally 2 seconds to pick it. What a waste of time.
If it is an Abus Pfaffenhain keyway, they won't give anyone a blank. Your locksmith will have to order the spare key at Abus and they will make it and send it out...
You've mentioned before that a zero lift pin 1 can be tricky for a lot of people. Are there any manufacturers that simply always make pin 1 a zero lift? Seems like it'd be an easy way to improve a cheap lock.
this channel is not about feelings and emotions. He posts gutting when they bring new details not shown in previous videos. this gutting is almost boring.
Anyone with a bar of aluminium in their garage who works on locks for a living will probably be able to make a key for it the same day. Whether they'd lose their jobs or tell anyone that they had to make it because they couldn't get a blank is a completely different story.
An attempt to use trademark to gain a monopoly in a good likely constitutes trademark misuse under US law. It would, potentially, be grounds for invalidating the trademark. So if Abus shaped the keyway to allow themselves to retain a monopoly on making keys for this lock, they risked forfeiting their trademark on Abus. (Though, more likely, they would just lose any suit alleging trademark infringement for making compatible keys after the patent expires.)
It would be interesting to hear you elaborate one why you choose to tension the way you do - top/bottom, etc. Is it just for ease of access with the lockpick, or are there other factors?
Most of us would go back and forward through the stack a couple of times before getting the open. LPL slips through the stack just the once, it's like the lock knows who he is, so just gives up 🤣 You do have to love Abus locks, they look good and are built well.
I expect that trying to use trademark to protect their lock keyway design might run intro trouble in court though i doubt anyone would bother going that far over it.
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"will require an experienced picker"...."fairly well made"...that's basically a full endorsement.The highlight of the Abus designer's career!
… and still this decent lock takes LPL only 20 seconds to pick 🤣
@@KeroZimerman That's the difference between an "experienced" picker and a "god level" one.
A 5 min review Is high praise
@@KeroZimerman after he tried it multiple times to lessen the time to make it seem like he did it right the first time
he never opens these without have done it multiple times before filming, it’s what he has said repeatedly in his earlier videos
I LPL likes it, I like it!!
So somewhere in Abus compound, there exist an opponent for LPL...
The Lock Designing Lawyer
The laws of physics demands it, just as matter and anti-matter must exist.
I want to see their videos.
Great comment 😀 YMMD!
I think the Lock Designing Lawyers main opponent is the Lock Company Accounting Lawyer, not the LPL.
@legallyfree2955
Well yeah, why do you think they haven't appeared on this channel yet?
''Not exceptionally difficult, but will require an experienced picker'' .... fifteen seconds later he is dismantling it....
He makes it look so easy!! To you or I, these pins would take an eternity to pick because they take a very precise touch. LPL is just that good!
And he practices for hours or even days on some locks until he figures them out
There are novice pickers. There are veteran pickers. There are experienced pickers. There are exceptional pickers.
And there is the Lock Picking Layer.
BosnianBill called him a "generational talent" previously. LPL is among the greatest lock pickers alive.
Lock gutting and destructive opening are something we don’t see often from LPL these days, and I kinda miss them. Glad to see it!
My sentiment as well.
Wish he'd also feature more better locks.
I love seeing the cores removed and gutted. It makes it so much easier to learn the connection between, say, counter-rotation and the presence of a spool.
Same, yeah. His pivot from locksport to "making people aware of bad security" is understandable, but I really miss the trading of challenge locks and destructive entry stuff.
He probably went by the metrics and just focuses on videos more people watch lol
@@t3hd0n Nah, from what he said in the SaintCon talk he gave, it was a deliberate effort to showcase bad locks and shame companies into fixing their crap.
The phrase "screw down the shackle hole" made me laugh a lot more than it should have.
I like that this lock has a legal protection as well as a physical protection
Criminals watching youtube in their off time will probably respect LPL opinion on a lock more than any legal or physical protection...
The legal protection isn't going to stop anyone who knows how to make a mold.
Its likely a cheap protection, but I doubt its a valuable one.
sounds like a job for.. you know.. Lockpicking Lawyer
ABUS "Look! Nobody can make a blank key for our locks forever and ever! Patented AND Trademarked" China "Here, hold my beer."
@@spazoq lol. It is true. China don’t care about patents or trademarks.
I swear lock makers have started making their products as shiny as possible just to try identifying LPL. There’s going to come a day where he has to wear a mask to open some of these locks 😅
i recall him having to wear a mask in a video a year or two ago for that very reason
His left hand movements seemed unsusual for me, and I guess it's not to leave his fingerprints on the top of the padlock. You can see the pattern of his hands on the padlock after he picks it up, but the fingertips just touched its sides, not visible to the camera.
@@FelipeGomesProfessor I noticed this, too. Someone clever might still be able to get a partial...
@@FelipeGomesProfessor That grab to pick it was SO smooth I had to rewind it a few times
@@FelipeGomesProfessor Someone send him a box of nitrile gloves! He seems to have size large hands.
Visited the Factory in Germany where they make these locks. The core is interchangable and you can get some very high security keys/keyways in there. In house we use a ZOLIT system patented to 2032.
patented in 2032?? Typing mistake?
@Charan van Tijn the patent expires in 2032 is what I assume
@@charanvantijn541 its a timelord lock. I wonder if he could pick THAT lock. it does use a key.
Dolby did something similar with the original Dolby Digital on film encoding. The digital bits were encoded in a patch (similar to a modern QR code) but it had a Dolby logo in the center. The decoder looked for that symbol, and thus no one else could encode the signal on film without violating their trademark.
So did the Gameboy. The system won't fully boot unless the cartridge displays the Gameboy logo. This prevented third party developers from creating games without Nintendo approval.
Another great example is the CPUID in Intel 486DX2 and later. Intel ones return the phrase "GenuineIntel", others return their own 12 letter trademark phrases such as "CyrixInstead" . Apple machines used to contain a chip returning a copyrighted poem about not copying MacOsX. Not sure how legal virtual machine software emulates that without running on obsolete Apple hardware .
@@johndododoe1411 I'm pretty sure that CPUID field was originally intended just for informational purposes, not anything trademark or legal related. The point was that there are actually some situations (such a when uploading microcode, or working around CPU bugs, etc) where you actually really do need to know whether you're dealing with an Intel CPU or one made by a different manufacturer, because even if they are nominally compatible on the outside, subtle differences in the internal design from one manufacturer to the next can actually sometimes matter.
I've never personally heard of the Apple poem thing, and can't seem to find any references to it online at all. Are you sure that was actually real? In any case, I don't actually see why that would be subject to any better legal protection than the copyright that already existed on the rest of the Apple ROM images anyway...
@@foogod4237 Any 'normal' code in a ROM could be argued as independently developed, even if it was exactly the same code. But that could not be argued for a unique poem (unless you subscribe to the million-monkeys theory). Same here with the key channel - any number of slots and grooves could be independently developed, but not spelling out ABUS.
@@foogod4237 Yes, the value has been quoted in technical contexts as a secret hex value. But once I saw that all bytes were ASCII codes for letters, I could read it as text.
This reminds me of the Famicom Disc system by Ninendo! An expansion device for the Japanese NES, it used what were essentially standard floppy discs to make producing games far cheaper, but consequently they'd be quite easy to make bootlegs of. To get around this, Nintendo added their name to the molding of the disc cartridges, and made it so that if those letters WEREN'T there, it wouldn't be able to close the lid and therefore couldn't boot! Of course, people eventually found ways to get around these measures, but I still think it was quite a clever piece of hardware-based copy protection!
A similar thing was done in the BIOS of the original IBM PC where system software would have COPYRIGHT IBM at a specific location in memory. Some of the system software would look for the letters IBM at the specific spot and fail if they didn't find it. Black box cloners (those who wrote their own equivalent but with no knowledge aside from documented functionality) turned to writing XXXXXNOT IBM at that location so the check for IBM would succeed without them putting in a false copyright statement.
Game boy carts are required by the loader to display the Nintendo logo in order for any cart to be executed (I.e. the Nintendo logo code is verified to be present) for the same reason. If you include it in your non licensed game you will have committed trademark violation.
Sega did this with the Genesis by requiring the on-board ROM to start with something like "licensed by Sega enterprises" called TMSS (Trademark Security System). They even took somebody to court over it but ended up losing.
also similar and from the same era, Sega’s Trademark Security System required writing “SEGA” to a certain address on some Genesis/Mega Drive models during the boot process, which would then display a screen saying that the software was officially licensed by Sega. When Accolade reverse‐engineered this and used it to get their unlicensed games to run, Sega filed a lawsuit. Sega v. Accolade was a very important ruling for copyright and trademark law, and it established that this overstepped the scope of copyright and trademark law, and ultimately held Sega responsible for forcing its trademark on Accolade’s games. So none of this even worked at all, and Sega lost! And now we have a bunch of Sega hardware that has this annoying DRM which was entirely useless even in its day.
PlayStation one used a similar system. Games were on CDs and the lens of the reader is able to wobble a bit to adjust to the trace of the CD within a certain tolerance. Original games were made to make the lens intentionally wobble and the wobble pattern was the signature of an original game that required a special machine to be burned on a CD. Copied games did not have that pattern and thus failed the authenticity check, unless of course the playstation was modified to skip that.
My gosh. Picking spool pin is so hard for me and you make it look so effortless. Great video!
To be fair he has probably picked many thousands of them
I like picking locks with spool pins as they give very good feedback.
This is probably the best review of a padlock I’ve seen from LPL. I’m buying one. Just checked…they’re around $50.
That was one of the fastest and smoothest picks I've ever seen from LPL. It was as if the serrated pin and spools were not even there. Amazing skills.
When legal shenanigans _and_ locks are involved he's in his element 😄
The many identical pins in known locations helped giving the game away, unlike an unpredictable combination of different security pins with different false sets to skip.
He only picked it once- it was probably a fluke.
@@craigwilson4903 Good point. I didn't notice that. Well spotted, you should be a lawyer. LOL
He's sure to have picked this lock at least a dozen times before filming, and I'm sure he gutted it at least once too. And then he may have filmed it multiple times to get the best opening. There are several locksport pickers who do locks like these straight out of a sealed package- now THAT is what I call impressive.
Got into lock picking as a hobby from watching you and Bosnian Bill. Like for years. I bought a cheap Amazon pick set and started learning, then got a better set but can't wait to have some of your tools. The covert Companion, notch decoder, dimple pick and rake, tubular core picks, etc. I love you and all your knowledge you spread! Keep up the amazing work! One day I want to be a true professional lockpicker.
I got the covert companion with expansion packs a few months back. It's drawback is that the shortest of the tools takes getting used to and you loose the sensitivity of a longer pick. The upshot is it's way less bulky than my overstuffed pick wallet and can be carried in my top pocket and forgotten about. It also has a lanyard attachment but the stabby parts make it impractical to wear on a necklace. Also, I've found that a rubber band or ladies hair tie is necessary to keep it from unfolding. I would still recommend you getting one.
@micahestep7679 rubber band to keep it from unfolding??? if put together correctly all the parts are firm not loose i had to take mine apart because i forgot a rubber washer
@@dukegust8818 yeah, it's not super loose but still an issue if carried in a pants pocket. I prefer to secure it with a rubber band or hair tie to protect my genitals which are well above average in size and often get in the way if stuffed down the same pant leg as my pick tools and other e.d.c. 😊
I really recommend getting into making your own tools. It doesn't take much time at all, saves a ton of money, and you will eventually find that you can make tools that suit your picking technique better than anything you can buy.
This is why I purchase certain padlocks by it will "require an experienced picker" "LockPickingLawyer". And yes I have been picking a little, its harder then you think, its an art form with a very good technique. Its like playing a Piano, practice, practice!
Well said. I have experience picking in the rake style and disassembling locks, but I've recently tried picking single pins (the right way to do it for tough locks) and I barely could handle the tool.
Hey LPL, I missed it when you hit 4M subscribers. Probably because you don't make a big deal about it, but belated congrats to you.
I love the picking and gutting videos, yes the other videos are informative, but I still love the basics LPL. Thanks!
1:30 I heard an anti-spam proposal around the year 2000 or so: all non-spam mail senders would have a certain piece of data in the mail "header" (the electronic information your mail software usually hides from you but you may have seen, that gives details of what computers are sending and receiving it as its passed on, etc.) that spam mail couldn't use. How to prevent people from copying it? Copyright! It turns out poems can be copyrighted, even should they be very tiny. So the proposed poem was something like "the presence of this poem is to say; that you will have a spam-free day" or something dumb but copywritable like that. Anyone copying it illegally could be sued for punitive damages in most of the world.
I always, always love watching LPL gut a lock!
Call me crazy, but the way the lock was picked up just before picking it looked remarkably like a slight of hand move. Sliding something into the hand holding the lock unseen. Particularly the way your fingers moved once you had a grip on the lock, like you were maneuvering a hidden thing into position.
Astute observation… you will often see me handling shiny locks in peculiar ways, or placing them in positions that I’ve predetermined. It’s the least intrusive way of ensuring my reflection doesn’t appear on video. 👍
@@lockpickinglawyer You and AvE, completely anonymous except if someone hears you talk :)
How do we know thats his real voice?
;)
I bet he wears gloves out in public. Those hands are a dead giveaway 👐🥷
@@lockpickinglawyer I love your tools. The first lock I ever picked was with the Companion the night I assembled it. Any suggestions where to get a tabletop vise like yours without breaking the bank? I can only ever find ones that affix themselves to the side of a table.
someone at Abus deserves a pay raise. LPL having a video, with more than 5mins and not destroying the brand.... wow, that is great
The lawyer part coming in clutch, understanding the potential patent intentions of design
I love how he sings the praises of the lock and all its security features and then bypasses it almost instantly.
There's really no such think as a "good" lock capable of keeping LPL out.
There have been quite a few. Most notably perhaps the bowley lock.
There was one challenge lock he couldn't pick, and one lock with weird key way that couldn't be picked. That's what I can immediately remember. There could be more.
The Naughty Bucket is less full these days, but it's not empty yet.
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Bowley has been picked elsewhere though and the single row variant has even been EPGd, its an interesting lock but certainly not top of the pile when it comes to pick resistance by some way.
Don't think LPLs ever shown an Abloy protec. Evva mcs is a another very tough pick, there's a vid of someone doing it but taking 10-20min and using a stethoscope...
Locks only keep honest people out...
He didn't do it again to prove it wasn't a fluke. Just straight to dismantling.
Happy memories remembering Bosnian Bill trying to use a C clip remover, miss him so much, hope he's doing well.
Any LPL video that is over 3 minutes is a great day!
5 Minute LPL video. This must be a high-security lock!
Well it is an Abus Rock
20 seconds to an open.
@@butter262 for an experienced picker
Abloy does the same with their keys that still has the patent valid. You can only order keys from the locksmith with an plastic keycard that shows proof of ownership.
Having the key spell Aabus, I think was a Real Nice Touch!!! 🤠👍
lockpicking, check.
law, check.
truly the most lockpicking lawyer video yet.
That's a lot more useful and clever than I was expecting. Although it probably also means replacement keys are more expensive.
Yes! My favorite videos (besides the April fools ones) are the ones in which we get to see the insides of the device in question. Glad to see another one.
LPL you are amazing! First you talk about all the fancy stuff on the lock and the key and then you open it in less than a minute. 😂 I got to say I giggle whenever you talk about the lock and it's intricacies and then you tear it apart. You are the definition of making something look exceedingly simple but does take an extreme amount of practice and skill to do what you do? Thank you very much. 👍💯
Allthough you are correct in the patent issue, we found that some key profiles that are not patented, fit in patented systems... there for you can replicate the key... and abus counter that with the same profile key but with the Zolit mechanism, and its still hard to duplicate the key without an original blank, but its not impossible.
The attention LPL puts into avoiding fingerprints is enlightening !
Is this the most secure (non-massive, insanely expensive) lock you've ever shown on the channel? Your commentary (relative to the usual treatment) left me extremely impressed
There was a Abus Granit 37RK/80 version also here on the channel.
I would say there's a couple in the naughty bucket chronicles that could give this lock a run for its money, but this is def a solid lock. Easily top 10% of the locks he's shown on this channel.
Not even close. He used to review challenging and secure locks almost exclusively back before episode 500. I miss those days, cause all the shitty locks are getting boring.
@@webbowser8834 thanks for the perspective!
@@caleschley gotcha, I wasn't subscribed back in those days. Maybe I'll go take a look, thanks for the info
Spools alone makes the picking easier once you know the feedback of them. The alternating spools and "christamas trees" in my ASSA 700 however really messes with me. And because the tolerances are so tight I can change the binding order by swapping the driver pins.
Thanks as always. Nice to see the lock taken apart.
Yes, I have seen and remembered several CI shorts on you tube. The AD that comes to mind is the "Rocket" rake example.
Might I say the ads seem more "skip the lock" than lock sport. Just my opinion and some feed back.
A little odd that the pins could be picked in order like that. Usually with spools and serrated pins it takes a few tries to get the order right since the entire point of security pins is that you can't easily feel the binding order. Having them bind front to back seems like this particular lock either got unlucky, or the design has a flaw that makes the security pins less effective.
He always picks from front to back.
@@EricPetersen2922 It should take multiple passes -- e.g, say we have an excellent but only 4 pin lock it might go click on one, nothing on two, three is binding, got a click on three, four is binding, counter rotation on 4, 4 feels set, something dropped back down, starting over another click on one, two is binding and we got this open. But this lock was "one. two. three. four. five. six." no revisits, no drops.
@@EricPetersen2922 That's not the point Tyson is making.
He's saying he thought it was odd that all the pins bound in order and didn't need to be reset.
I was also thinking the same... maybe its something to do with tolerances???🤔
This has happened several times before. (I commented on there being 2 such examples in 2 consecutive weeks, but don't know how to search for old comments, or I would give the episode numbers.) Relieved to see it isn't something I've just misunderstood!
I stared at the key bitting here, but saw no clue that LPL could be sub-consciously choosing such locks.
@@davidcovington901 Any idea why ? I'm very curious as to how LPL was able to go from pins 1-6 and didn't have to go back an reset any pins. Never seen that myself, but I'm not the LPL, I'm just a mere mortal.
Wow, that lock got pretty high praise.
It has always been a quality lock
As soon as I saw it was a 5 minutes video, I knew we finaly had a good lock to look at.
On the potential trademark protection for the keyway and key: While it might prevent exact clones of the lock, I doubt it would stop companies making keys. In Sega v. Accolade the appeals court rejected Sega's attempt to do something that's very similar in concept (system only accepting software if it contained the trademark protected "SEGA" logo) and stated using trademarks to bypass copy protection was protected as Fair Use.
I would like to know how a spool adds to pick resistance. Seeing the inside of the lock is a treat.
The smaller diameter of the spool middle means that if the middle of the spool is in the shear line, you will have to relieve tension to allow the wider shoulder to pass the shear line. This could allow your other pins to unset, and you start all over.
In addition to what Andy said the spool will defeat novice pickers because the pin appears to be set (by feel) and they will get confused as to what is holding the lock up. Serrated pins are the same idea, they provide tactile feedback when the pin slides past the serrations that can trick someone into thinking the pin is set.
I've found those tweezers are handy for some things when soldering and desoldering. I keep a modified and a standard set around. Grind off the flat end and you have a good lifting tool for SMD parts. It lifts just enough to get both ends up quickly. A standard pair for the times you want to keep the part raised off the PCB a specific height for magnet wire under.
Great vid! I love the disassembly ones. I wish every video could end that way. Keep the awesome content coming, sir.
Really enjoy the vids where you show us the core and inner workings. This is a nice lock and I would use it.
Key blank available from China next week.
Learned locks and lockpicking, 40 yrs ago, and realized, only needed to pick a few locks, for myself ,in that time. Things have changed, apparently, this can be addicting, especially when you become very proficient, plus, it becomes a lucrative on line business!
Mauer did something similar, with a keyway that looks like two "M"s, one of them upside down. They also patented and trademarked that to prevent others from making key blanks.
When they say it has an ABUS keyway they mean it.
2:31 that's a lot of face reflection. Late 30's medium-long dark brown hair, no glasses, fairly faceted facial structure, possibly a mustache. 😮
What are you a cop?
The shop I ran used to sell that lock with the standard core for $110. I took an order one day for 60 of them, with a 1 meter section of the 8mm square hardened chain for each, and 60 keys, all keyed alike. It was a government job and all up with the labor and freight it was something around $13,000. I got my two days wages out of that and that's it. Not even a thank you. Kind of soured me a bit cause I took the job for them and the price gouging in the industry is part of why I didn't stay.
“Require an experienced picker” someone may have gotten a raise for that one
Abus in my local language (Sundanese in Indonesia) means enter or get inside.
It's quite interesting to see a lock with this name 😂
It's actually also implemented in CISA LIM profile
Interesting use of the trademark on the keyway. SEGA attempted something similar with the Genesis game console in the early 90s, but in SEGA v. Accolade, ultimately the court sided with Accolade, finding that "the trademark is misused if it serves to limit competition in the manufacture and sales of a product."
FYI on all the Abus 83 models I've seen (including this one) you can use the LPL T-pin + master wafer (#2 works for me) trick in pin 4 to brick the lock in the event of a picking attempt, if you want.
I'm not sure the need for key blanks is going to hold back key copying. My local Walmart has a key cutting vending machine where you stick your key in a slot and the machine measures the key dimensions and cuts a flat key blank to duplicate it. Its probably one step below a full 3d scanner and cutter but you can probably get most standard keys even with unusual keyways. It just cuts keys along all sides rather than one edge. Also means the machine only needs to stock flat key blank stock. If its really good it might do side sliders too.
i think the little detail of the keyway spelling ABUS
thats a very subtle thing that id only expect LPL to see
despite how easily he picked it. i think its cool to see that attention to detail
I have missed the disassembly part of these and Bosnian Bill’s videos. Thanks!😊
On a bit of side note. Those tweezers will be great for small screws and electronic components.
So these tweezers follow Alton Brown's kitchen mantra, no single-use tools other than a fire extinguisher
You know what, Trademark Protection on a Keyway is... creative. Someone on their design team really likes to think outside the box
Watching LPL do an earlier video on an Abus lock is the reason my dirtbike is secured to the rack with one any time its outside on my ute 👍
If that keyway is trademark protected, that is freaking brilliant.
you can still build compatible thinner blancs that will fit without circonvolutions
"Very Well", that is high praise/compliment. Oh, also, did anyone read that Master Lock will close their Milwaukee WI plant?
Love these kinds of videos. Show and tell with a break down.
[IP clinical law prof and fan here.] Not legal advice, of course, but if they were going to try to stop people from building compatible locks or keys using trademark law on the shape of the keyway, they're unlikely to be successful because of the "functionality doctrine." That basically says the functional features of a product can't be protected as marks. I usually teach the doctrine with the TrafFix Supreme Court case. (Won't let me post a link.)
Very creative use of trademark laws which are saner then copyright laws anyway. They had to go out of their way to design it like this and could even market on it later
How would the pick resistance offered by spools compare with the pick resistance offered by using tapered driver pins, and having the longest key pins be spooled at the top, with a diameter slightly bigger than that of the tapered bottoms of the drivers? I would think that doing that would mean that by the time the core turned enough to set the drivers, the longer keypins would be locked in the bottom position making it hard to pick a shorter pin immediately behind.
Always humbling to watch you pick a lock so quickly 👍
Not having the blanks available would have stopped people in the past, but not now with 3D printers, and CNC routers readily available. Indeed, there's people that don't know how to cut keys that might just use a CNC instead, and not even know about the copy proofing.
Abus seems to make pretty decent products!
They also make trash tier only marginally better than Masterlock.
I think it's important to note for the general public that even a high quality lock with no obvious flaws or bypasses is still quickly defeated by an experienced picker. Anyone who is determined to access the area behind a lock is probably going to get to it. So you can have reasonably affordable deterrence, but true security through a lock is a little bit of an illusion.
You gutted! Cool! Please more gutting, I know it's probably boring to you but I love it! Great video!
ABUS isn't the only company, which use the brand for legal protection there keys, instead of patents.
EVVA does it to. The EPS-M is mostly identical to the EPS, except the shape of the key way, which represents from top to bottom E-V-V-A. The EPS-M is a little bit easier to pick, because the keyway is wider than the EPS-keyway.
A rather clever way to prevent copying keys.
*$20.00 tip will get any key copied.*
Key cutting machines are not difficult to buy and you can make a key blank pretty easily with a hacksaw and a dremel.
Well, quite normal. Abloy has patented their newest locktypes, always has. The patent does always expire after enough years. Yes, it's to prevent anyone to just copy any key and also the business reason. For example in a house that has been rented to someone, the tenant cannot just go easily copy the key without permission.
@@TestECull You already tried? It is definitely NOT an easy task. Oh yes you can set up a CNC machine to do it - but that will copy any key without magnets or really special features.
But the shape of the keyway means a clever aftermarket key would simply not have the "S". A "Compatible" key probably can be found or made pretty simply, too. It doesn't "need" all that fluting and deep grooves, the keyway is *basically* straight across.
Yes. A teardown, glad to see one again.
I do like seeing that ABUS has drill protection in the core in the form of hardened pins. I have been a fan of the American series 700 for quite some time and ABUS is climbing up there with very appealing security features.
Holy moly, LPL doing actual lawyering!
The biggest problem with this in my opinion is that trademarks are legally limited to distinctive and not functional aspects. By using the trademark in this way, it cannot be enforced. I'm admittedly a little shocked that some courts haven't completely cancelled trademarks outright when the holder attempts to use it in a functional way such as this or the famous Sega TMSS. I'd have ordered a full recall of the product to remove the trademark aspect to the functional part or in the alternate permanently cancelled the respective trademark as it no longer served the purpose it was intended to.
Nice feature is slot on side of the core wich helps to change key-pins without disassemblying whole core.
I love the gutting videos! Thanks LPL, these vids are the best!
About 30 seconds to pick. I counted from about when he picked up the lock and the tool. 1:50
I've never picked a lock in my life. But I watch LPL's videos as soon as they drop. And I can't explain why LoL. 😊
Heck yeah, we’ve missed the full tear down videos 🙂
I just bought a lock picking kit with a practice clear lock from Jaycar in Australia. It took putting a rake in to unlock. It literally 2 seconds to pick it. What a waste of time.
the dissection of your subject pad lock is entertaining !
I bought Abus way back because it was a salt water resistant lock, gotta say it's still operating like new hanging on the back of a semi trailer.
If it is an Abus Pfaffenhain keyway, they won't give anyone a blank. Your locksmith will have to order the spare key at Abus and they will make it and send it out...
You've mentioned before that a zero lift pin 1 can be tricky for a lot of people. Are there any manufacturers that simply always make pin 1 a zero lift? Seems like it'd be an easy way to improve a cheap lock.
Love the tear down videos. Please post more of them.
this channel is not about feelings and emotions. He posts gutting when they bring new details not shown in previous videos. this gutting is almost boring.
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It just cracks me up that even a fairly well-made lock only takes him, like, ten seconds.
Anyone with a bar of aluminium in their garage who works on locks for a living will probably be able to make a key for it the same day.
Whether they'd lose their jobs or tell anyone that they had to make it because they couldn't get a blank is a completely different story.
An attempt to use trademark to gain a monopoly in a good likely constitutes trademark misuse under US law. It would, potentially, be grounds for invalidating the trademark. So if Abus shaped the keyway to allow themselves to retain a monopoly on making keys for this lock, they risked forfeiting their trademark on Abus. (Though, more likely, they would just lose any suit alleging trademark infringement for making compatible keys after the patent expires.)
It would be interesting to hear you elaborate one why you choose to tension the way you do - top/bottom, etc. Is it just for ease of access with the lockpick, or are there other factors?
Most of us would go back and forward through the stack a couple of times before getting the open. LPL slips through the stack just the once, it's like the lock knows who he is, so just gives up 🤣
You do have to love Abus locks, they look good and are built well.
I expect that trying to use trademark to protect their lock keyway design might run intro trouble in court though i doubt anyone would bother going that far over it.
He said pick resistance then picks the lock in 5 seconds 😂
It would appear readily possible to produce a key blank that does not even go close to infringing their trademark.
Praises them and proceeds to open it in less than a minute