The heck is with this review, you’d expect going in with an unbiased opinion rather than saying “the fiesta is the best hot hatch. Can the i20N be the fiesta” it’s a different car that will have different pros and cons. I never thought having 3 different choices for an exhaust note would be a con because (stupidly) you can’t decide what mode you want to be choosing as you’re driving? How about wanting a quiet note in the early morning, or opening up the valve when you get in for a weekend drive. Might need to broaden your view a bit
This guy talks the talk but always and I mean ALWAYS favours the bigger brand. He just cannot bare to say that a Hyundai or a Kia or whatever is better.
@@crocoman776 I personally don't favour either brand, but the review just seemed so biased to me. I like Honda's, but the Type R is out of my price range. Biased reviews wont help me find the right car!
Surly comparing the 120N to the very top of the range ST performance Edition isn’t a fair comparison when their is nearly a 5k price gap isn’t it better to compare it to an ST further down the range?
I've driven a Fiesta ST and its a superb hot hatch, I have however, not driven a i20N but I really want to, just like the i30N. I would say I'm bias towards the Fiesta in some regard, but I am ALL for the i20N all day.
@@Leo-rm3gt I had my car over in Scotland through the amazing B roads....its mega. In a large group of i30Ns it was able to push in some places....I'm stoked at what it can do
The Fiesta seems too "eager" and skittish in the corners, the i20 seems more planted, I do prefer it. I can see why people would choose the Fiesta though... more youthful in the driving, more adult in its looks (interior and exterior). The i20 is the other way around, it seems.
It seems to be, and it is if you "over drive" it like they do a lot in reviews because that makes for good video and entertainment. But as someone who drives his MK8 ST in time attack events: It can be planted too if you trail brake it properly. I even put mine to -2 degrees camber front to get even more front bite... and it still can take a bit more, even though it already is really good at it. FWD setups just have to be very "eager" imo.
@@kennyd7667 Yeah... same spec maybe? I got my Fiesta ST with the essential performance pack for like 70-80% of the price you can get an i20 N at. I know which is better value to me, especially after having taken one on a test drive
Not sure about the UK. But it has been confirmed that the Australian editions of the i20N are getting an overboost in "N" mode. From 275 nm up to 304 nm. Making the claimed 0-100kph from 6.7 secs down to 6.2 secs. And would also give more punch out of corners. Pricing as also being announced. With both cars will be around the same drive away pricing. We get the ST3 version only
@@davothegreat9990 Only going by this article. www.caradvice.com.au/960724/2021-hyundai-i20-n-starts-production-ahead-of-australian-launch-hot-hatch-quicker-than-expected/
@@purplehazeffc that's a claimed time. Very suspicious of these times as they say even the Fiesta St is 6.5. I know it can't do that. Caradvice have always been over zealous with there times though...
@@davothegreat9990 lol? My Fiesta ST is 6,41 measured with draggy.... i drove the i20N (with onboard timer 0-100) in 6,30 without launch control in my test drive 🙄
I've ordered the N. Fiesta drives well but I don't like it's looks. There's more standard kit with the N, the warranty is better and I find it more appealing.
I have ordered the Fiesta, because I don't quite like how N looks XD great to hear, that both are equally good, and it's more the personal taste,than a big difference between them :)
@@marcin.4379 I agree. I think Fiesta can be a little bit more fun to drive on track and more economical but i think Hyundai can be more entertaining in everyday use and more practical. But both of cars are great!
It's funny when people get less options they whinge about it. And now when Hyundai gives you more setting options, you whinge about taking a long time to find the best option? Sick
Ppl ate never happy with what you give them. But once the manufacturers take all the fun away from cars and no modes and no sound. Then they will complain about that! I'm just happy with any company that is making any type of sports cars and manual.
Q: "Lol, why don't you like the car?" This guy: The seats aren't as nice as the ones in the car I actually like... The only review I've seen in which the i20N isn't deemed better than the Fiesta (in three door form, no less, for the practicality advantage? Oh wait...)
Bit biased review but it must be vey difficult if you really like something ie the fiesta st. Price wise a new Fiesta ST3 with discount is exactly the same price as the Hyundai i20N at £23,000 (again with discount) - l think the looks, the fact it’s new on the market plus it’s 5 year warranty would swing it for me. Enjoyed the review and you certainly can drive 👍
Anyone looking at this or a fiesta ST…. Test drove the i20N yesterday with the idea of throwing my money at them after getting out the car with all that I’ve heard, unfortunately that didn’t happen. It was great fun and the rev matching is addictive but the suspension is so harsh! it couldn’t be a daily unless you have ultra smooth roads (we don’t in the UK) its a real shame really as its the main sticking point. If your looking for a weekend car or you like occasionally going to a track then buy this and don’t hesitate you will love it but if you need it to also go into town or drive to work you may get a bit fed up with it. I tested the Fiesta ST as well and its definitely noticeable how more compliant it is, still firm but more tolerable day to day and still gave me the biggest smile driving, ordering my ST this week, im almost disappointed as i was really hoping to prefer the I20N.
The problem with the Fiesta ST is not its performance, but that it looks as dull as ditch water inside and out. It just looks like any other Fiesta and I'd want something with a visual pop to match the exhaust note.
Given the reputation of Ford (sets itself on fire) and the quaility of Hyundai nowdays, you cannot compare the two. Would take the i20N without a question.
@@kennyd7667 Yeah I get that. Except inflation has been rock bottom for years. The real problem is hyperinflation. How much is a Fiesta ST going to be in 4 yrs?
@@Stringwar that is a good point tbh. The prices are probably gonna get expensive, that is if ford keep making the fiesta st or they turn it into a hybrid or something
@@kennyd7667 when the first ST came out it was about £18k. If you put that into the bank of England inflation calculator it comes out at about £22k. The Germans have been doing this for years. My buddy is a sales rep and he's always had Audi's, hes gone from A6 to A5 and now for the same money his company is only willing to pay for an A1 or Merc A class.
Current Megane RS Trophy is around £38k now with DCT. I almost bought a manual Trophy 300 18 months ago when I bought my i30N and I was quoted £29k with a couple of options. List was around £32k with no options. The issue now is option lists are getting taken away for WLTP compliance and the Trophy now gets loaded with more equipment but they pushed the price up.
I’ve put an order in for a i20N, comes in September, for me it was having something aggressive looking but it’s personal preference as the guy I work with has the fiesta st edition like the one in the video and I can appreciate it 👍
Just a reminder that the i20n is £25k and includes everything! The ST driven here costs £29. I rate Hyundai because the colour is the only extra you get to pick, as it should be. As for the review, i came for a comparison and got a bias opinion instead..
I keep toying with the idea of getting a Fiesta ST next year and every time I watch Dan drive one, and the excitement on his face, I want it a little more.
I got one, I was only suppose to keep it for a year, 4 years down the road, and I still have it. It really is that good to drive, even better on track.
Great video and comparison. 2 fantastic Hot Hatches. I owned a 2015 Mini JCW and traded in for a new MK8 Fiesta ST. I have no regrets! More fun to drive and not much difference in power !
My Mk3 Focus ST has a 91 (US) tune, Pro Alloy intercooler, Quaife LSD, Mountune intake and cat-back exhaust, Ford racing springs and Powerstop pads and rotors. 10 years of fun and still absolutely dependable. Has the original clutch, too.
Yes, it’s sad, especially given how beautifully designed is the last 208 !! Would have loved to see a GTI iteration of it ! but I still do love my Fiesta ST Mk8. if it’s not really a beauty, it’s a lot of fun to drive)))
Can you do a comparison of the Fiesta ST against the BRZ/ GR86? Both affordable by proper fun cars, with very different approaches! I’m interested to see your thought because I’d love to buy the new Fiesta ST, but am currently weighting up against the GR86!
I had the same condundrum but I'm probably going with the fiesta st, even though the gr86 handles a bit better, for something so practical like the fiesta with a better interior and MUCH better sound and still oversteers!
As polite as I can be... The fiesta is more childish and absolutely adorable little monster and the I20 has the looks of a lunatic but a more grown-up driving style while maintaining practicality for a small family... If I could I would buy them both cause I absolutely love them equally... I grew up with hyundais and I bought a fiesta as my first car and its not an ST but its crazy either way
I currently own a fiesta st since new for last three years, i took out a i20n yesterday and after testdrive placed a order, ive currently owned fords and fast fords for 30 yrs and for me both cars look nice from outside, inside the hyundai gets it, as for driving there not much in it, although for me the local hyundai dealer is top class where closest ford garage since my last one shut is now a arnold clark and wouldnt take out there or get out serviced there as they useless
@@ellisharker5035 fords near me wouldnt take orders on a new st, for the hyundai the local dealer had one in the showroom i could have had but it was different colour to what i wanted, but online it was showing 3/4 cars available in the colour i wanted for jan 23 delivery so roughly 5/6 month wait
The background music should be a bit lower imo. Hopefully the editors fix this in the next video, it reminds me of old top gear with music way too loud
Man… I sure wish they gave us the new FiST in the states. I had a FiST and Loved it! Landed up getting a Veloster N. Which is like a grown up FiST. If we had the i20N I’d have gotten that tho.. those two small hot hatches u can use all the power. Even stock the Velo N can’t be fully stretched on the road. Of course my dumb ass did the FBO, tune, meth, big turbo thing on mine. Well I’m waiting on my turbo to come .. Garrett GTX2867R gen II.. finally came in. LAP3 is doing the turbo kit. 500bhp Velo N should be fun tho
Had one of them years ago and regret selling it. Since had an m140 and now a fiesta st3. The st3 is brilliant better than the m140 but the clio would just about edge it it was that damn good. . . .
@iNSTAGiB a common misconception is that all renaults have poor reliability. . . Now that might be true of non renaultsport renaults (never owned one) but the renaultsports were built in a completely separate factory and are built to be thrashed. Owned a 197 then a 200 for 3 years ragged it frequently and never had any issues whatsoever. My current 2020 fiesta st3 I've owned for 6 months the turbo needed replacing white smoke pouring out the exhaust lol, the seat rattles and the front suspension rattled too but fixed under warranty.
I've bought new Fiesta ST2 with lacquer performance blue, performance pack, winter pack and couple more one month ago for 17600 pounds in Poland(Polish złoty 94600). All You people can write whatever You want, but no matter what You can't buy nothing better in this price. Nothing can even get close to this cart for that silly money :) PS. Sorry for my rusty English ;)
@@NineEleven1 It is but You don't buy it, because connection factory burned down in Japan and they won't be producing any Fiesta or Focus by the end of the year or even longer. I ordered car 11.2020 and I received it in 06.2021...
@@tracktimevideos5164 Ford stops Fiesta Production in 2024. If there is no Fiesta, there is no Fiesta ST. Maybe they bring a new small car. But definitely no Fiesta.
No, I don't think that is it. The PowerShift Automatic FIASCO cost Ford dearly. They should have ditched that doomed transmission instead of push ahead and lose their customers' trust. Had the auto option of the Fiesta and Focus been a conventional torque converter, I believe they would have kept one or the other here in our market, and the ST variant along with it. Until the troubles were truly laid bare with how bad the PowerShift design was, both models were still selling in good numbers. Sells went off a cliff when they announced the cancellations... It makes me so sad that we cannot even buy Ford's two best cars: the Fiesta ST and the Focus ST hatchback while other markets get to buy both. They should do what VW is doing buy selling only the GTI for the Golf in North America. Ford can sell us just the ST performance variants - I'll take the Fiesta ST OR the Focus ST whichever they decide to bring us. It's Ford's own home market they are screwing. WHY Ford WHY?!
Who in the world pays list prices? Nobody exactly.... I got mine for 28,5k €.. It is still expensive AF. BUT I wanted a new car, manual, small and fun to drive. There is not much left in this boring world. So I just bought it and plan to drive it for 10+ years.
Such a bad and bias review 😂 what car lover doesn't want loads of settings? Have the car exactly how you like it. I have an m2 and always changing stuff. I like the fiesta, but for me the i20 is better overall. my mrs gets hers in a couple of months.
i would consider the comparison more fair, if fiesta was using the stock dumpers and not coil-over ones. As we all know coil overs can transform a car, making it more comfortable for the everyday driver, and same time more sport by letting you change the stock camber, caster and toe numbers. Furthermore coil overs let you change both bound and rebound. Stock st dumpers are really annoying for everyday drive, and ford knows that, so to deal with this, they gave the 28.000 pounds edition, so as to keep this con secret. Finally, for the more ...punchy top end of the ford, i would like to know what boost the ford runs, above 6.000 rpms. I20N drops boost below 1 bar above 6.000 rpms (0,8-0,9) for long run reliability and to keep the engine strong. If ford uses 1.2-1.4 bar boost them in the long run i see a lot of engine funerals. That why hyunday gives 5 years warranty without miles limitation, and ford gives only 2 years. ( i speak for factory quaranties). Great small hot hatches!
@@Xenon0000000000001 Hyundai is so confident about their product, that they cover the i20n for track use too. Why do you think ford does not cover track usage? Because neither engine nor brakes can handle it. Last but not least the tester does not mention about the lack of braking performance concerning ford st. Hot hatch without great brakes?
@@georgealex8306 You said that Ford runs higher boost at high RPM and that's why they only have two years warranty. I simply stated that you get 3 years warranty in the UK, which is true. Nothing you said changes that.
I would pick absolutely anything over the fiesta aftwr having the 2017 st .. that interior quality was absolutely shocking the car literally rattled and buzzed irs self appart from new what a shed
Mk8 is a different proposition , modern interior, better put together. Car is quicker, sounds better, handles better with the diff and is more economical.
Prefer the reliability of the Hyundai engine over the Ford. Drive modes are easy to follow, and shouldn’t be bewildering for an “experienced” tester. I also noticed you didn’t put them head to head for an objective test.
I'm buying an I20N this Christmas and I kinda don't like how you judged Hyundai as Fiesta fan (as you said). You said fully loaded fiesta costs almost 29k which is 3-4k€ more than Hyundai and if you would have fiesta spected at 25-26k€ it wouldn't be as fun as i20N is which makes Hyundai much better when it comes to price/performance/features ratio. Then there is 0-100km/h which Hyundai can do 0.4 sec faster than fiesta, (I20N- 6.2s, ST- 6.6s) which is a lot and you didn't mentioned that either. You also didn't say anything about the looks of the cars because I20N looks much sportier and aggressive. Then there is difference between fiesta's 3 cyl and Hyundai's 4 cyl and if you would ask me or many car guys, just because of the extra 1 cyl and more reliability, many of them would choose Hyundai instead of Ford and that leads me to the next thing which is sound that these cars make( 3cyl will never have such an aggressive sound as 4cyl engine and that's fact). Then there is the clutch which I20N has hardened and Fiesta has not... For me is I20N real winner and that was just one sided comparison from his side (because he is fiesta fan) which could make people deciding between Hyundai and Ford lean towards buying ford which I'm very disappointed about.
I’m shocked. Not! Had this guy ever gave a win to a non-Big brand name? Fortunately, normal people will love both cars and choose what ticks the boxes for them.
This is such a biased video that I just can’t get my head around it. There is no point in comparing when you have already determine the outcome before the result. The Hyundai N division are doing great things snd their focus on giving all these adjustability for that price is what makes them top of the market. The performance you get for the money is unmatched as well. Ford might make the fiesta and focus on Europe but they have lost their head all over the world selling SUVs/CUVs/truck and an atrociously named mustang Mach E. They closing operations in many countries around the world snd their supply chain is just garbage. On the other hand Hyundai is going to make their own chips and they are way more self sustainable and understand the growing markets as well. For all of these reasons Hyundai deserve to be appreciated.
Talk about biased. It's clear which one was hoping to win within the first 20 seconds. Hardly a like-for-like comparison either. Whilst the Fiesta is a great car I just cannot deal with looks. I mean look at the back and those awful rear windows.
So Dan is confused by the choice of settings in the Hyundai? Maybe he should get another job that won't tax his brain cells too much, when did options become a bad thing? Nobody complained that the i30N had an individual setting to set the car as you'd like it, diff, exhaust, throttle, steering, damping, with multiple settings, plus Eco, Normal, Sport, N and N individual but many journalist complained that the Focus ST didn't have individual settings so to get it sounding it's best you had to put up with rock hard suspension settings. As a note the i30N has more settings as it has adaptive dampers which aren't on the i20N and sometimes you might not want the full on pops and bangs of the exhaust in it's most expressive setting.
@@gam88a He didn't complain about setup choices with the i30N so it feels like a nit picking excercise at this point. Plus I missed one option from the i30N - Rev Matching. Once I found a mix I was happy with I saved them in Individual setting and have rarely gone back to change them in the 18 months since I bought the car. Same as my Golf R before the i30N
I'm 47. When I was younger I drove a Civic Type R EP3, I loved that vehicle. The Fiesta ST somehow reminds me of it. A more civilized version of that CTR, that is. But you need a bit more of civilized when you get old. ;)
I find it really annoying that professional motoring journalists don't pronounce Hyundai properly. They had an ad campaign for years where it was pronounced Hyundai like Sunday.
@@simon2823 the new one is better for thefts. I’ve not heard of many being stolen. This maybe down to better security features or maybe that doesn’t look that much different from a regular st line fiesta
I was with you until you made ‘having option’s’ such as multiple exhaust notes, in the i20N, a negative. Clearly not a reliable reviewer. Thumbs Down 👎
i20N was doomed from the start, clearly a fiesta fanboy
This is the first UA-cam review where someone thought the Fiesta was the better car lol
@@ZachNovak
Not true.
ua-cam.com/video/qM4h0Y9G2_M/v-deo.html
Definitely not the first to say the fiesta is better.
Oh yeah. He sets the bar pretty high with the FIST
@@nothanks6665 And it isn't
The heck is with this review, you’d expect going in with an unbiased opinion rather than saying “the fiesta is the best hot hatch. Can the i20N be the fiesta” it’s a different car that will have different pros and cons. I never thought having 3 different choices for an exhaust note would be a con because (stupidly) you can’t decide what mode you want to be choosing as you’re driving?
How about wanting a quiet note in the early morning, or opening up the valve when you get in for a weekend drive.
Might need to broaden your view a bit
His point is: if you have no choice you can't get confused. In other words: you eat up what is on the plate and sh*t up.
quite biased this one... a shame...
@@pedroamado5706 He is biased because you didn't like his conclusion... or there is another reason?
The video should be titled how good the Fiesta ST is, and not a comparison video.
exactly lol, majority of other reviewers have said how neutral and planted the I20n is compared to the more rowdy FiST.
This guy talks the talk but always and I mean ALWAYS favours the bigger brand. He just cannot bare to say that a Hyundai or a Kia or whatever is better.
@@crocoman776 I personally don't favour either brand, but the review just seemed so biased to me. I like Honda's, but the Type R is out of my price range. Biased reviews wont help me find the right car!
@@crocoman776 I'm the opposite. Ive always favoured brands that the masses/sheep don't follow.
Surly comparing the 120N to the very top of the range ST performance Edition isn’t a fair comparison when their is nearly a 5k price gap isn’t it better to compare it to an ST further down the range?
St further down the range will only be lighter. Therefore going against your argument. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@davothegreat9990 no I was meaning an ST-3 as they are the same price the ST edition is 28/29k so what I am saying makes perfect sense.
This has to be the most bias and pointless review I've seen.
It's basically that top gear meme with the up! And the fiesta. "This is good, but this is great" seems like most people like the i20 more anyways
Couldn't agree more!
Sorry mate I20N wins me over. You can keep your Fiesta.
ok mate
I20 ugly back
🤪🤪🤪🤪🤣🤣
I mean considering 4k difference between the two, I agree with you.
Ford hands down does it All the time!!
How many times cat of the year? I forgot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I20N....Get mine tomorrow...can't wait. Thanks for the bias review
Congrats mines on order, still months away! Have fun!!
I've driven a Fiesta ST and its a superb hot hatch, I have however, not driven a i20N but I really want to, just like the i30N.
I would say I'm bias towards the Fiesta in some regard, but I am ALL for the i20N all day.
@@Leo-rm3gt I had my car over in Scotland through the amazing B roads....its mega. In a large group of i30Ns it was able to push in some places....I'm stoked at what it can do
@@MrSupersixfour oh man that's amazing to hear! I'm looking to get a i30N, but I might have to get a i20N instead.
@@Leo-rm3gt I had an i30N for almost 3 year...fantastic car...probably the best I've ever driven. The i20N....wow....amazing....its a rally car 🏁
The Fiesta seems too "eager" and skittish in the corners, the i20 seems more planted, I do prefer it. I can see why people would choose the Fiesta though... more youthful in the driving, more adult in its looks (interior and exterior). The i20 is the other way around, it seems.
It seems to be, and it is if you "over drive" it like they do a lot in reviews because that makes for good video and entertainment. But as someone who drives his MK8 ST in time attack events: It can be planted too if you trail brake it properly. I even put mine to -2 degrees camber front to get even more front bite... and it still can take a bit more, even though it already is really good at it. FWD setups just have to be very "eager" imo.
FiST runs a narrower tyre.
I20N would be better value, also nice warranty :)
nope
@@Vibranznl yes, coz the warranty covers track use and to get a similar spec fiesta st you would be paying about the same If not more
@@kennyd7667 That would have sold the car to me that 😂 too late though
@@kennyd7667 Yeah... same spec maybe? I got my Fiesta ST with the essential performance pack for like 70-80% of the price you can get an i20 N at. I know which is better value to me, especially after having taken one on a test drive
@@kennyd7667 who uses the track?? Like 2% of customers. Therefore void!!
Not sure about the UK. But it has been confirmed that the Australian editions of the i20N are getting an overboost in "N" mode.
From 275 nm up to 304 nm. Making the claimed 0-100kph from 6.7 secs down to 6.2 secs. And would also give more punch out of corners.
Pricing as also being announced. With both cars will be around the same drive away pricing. We get the ST3 version only
6.2 secs. No way! That's i30n quick. Always someone that's goes overboard with rubbish...
29nm extra torque isn't going to wipe of half a second..🤣🤣🤣
@@davothegreat9990 Only going by this article.
www.caradvice.com.au/960724/2021-hyundai-i20-n-starts-production-ahead-of-australian-launch-hot-hatch-quicker-than-expected/
@@purplehazeffc that's a claimed time. Very suspicious of these times as they say even the Fiesta St is 6.5. I know it can't do that. Caradvice have always been over zealous with there times though...
@@davothegreat9990 Will soon find out when they get out & about in the media fleet.
@@davothegreat9990 lol? My Fiesta ST is 6,41 measured with draggy.... i drove the i20N (with onboard timer 0-100) in 6,30 without launch control in my test drive 🙄
I20n is probably one generation away from taking the crown. I would like to try any of them on twisty road
Is this a review or Fiesta commercial
I've ordered the N. Fiesta drives well but I don't like it's looks.
There's more standard kit with the N, the warranty is better and I find it more appealing.
I have ordered the Fiesta, because I don't quite like how N looks XD great to hear, that both are equally good, and it's more the personal taste,than a big difference between them :)
@@marcin.4379 I agree. I think Fiesta can be a little bit more fun to drive on track and more economical but i think Hyundai can be more entertaining in everyday use and more practical. But both of cars are great!
@@marcin.4379 Can't wait to leave you in the dust when your car overheats after the 1st lap.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ the brakes? True. Fiesta needs to pause every 2-3 rounds 😄
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ dumb comment.
It's funny when people get less options they whinge about it. And now when Hyundai gives you more setting options, you whinge about taking a long time to find the best option? Sick
Ppl ate never happy with what you give them.
But once the manufacturers take all the fun away from cars and no modes and no sound. Then they will complain about that!
I'm just happy with any company that is making any type of sports cars and manual.
Every chav and his dog has an ST. Wife just bought an i20N and I had a quick test drive. What a weapon in the corners, and the brakes are SOLID!
06:07 ‘They feel very similar - quite tense’
06:19 ‘But they’re not brittle, crashy or tense’
😅
He just favours the Fiesta ST.
It began with his criticism about the seats in the i20N.
Man everybody has other impressions. Very one-sided review.
Because the st is a better car
Q: "Lol, why don't you like the car?"
This guy: The seats aren't as nice as the ones in the car I actually like...
The only review I've seen in which the i20N isn't deemed better than the Fiesta (in three door form, no less, for the practicality advantage? Oh wait...)
I just bought an i20N even after watching this review, looks way sexier than the Ford!
Bit biased review but it must be vey difficult if you really like something ie the fiesta st. Price wise a new Fiesta ST3 with discount is exactly the same price as the Hyundai i20N at £23,000 (again with discount) - l think the looks, the fact it’s new on the market plus it’s 5 year warranty would swing it for me. Enjoyed the review and you certainly can drive 👍
I will pick the i20N
Anyone looking at this or a fiesta ST…. Test drove the i20N yesterday with the idea of throwing my money at them after getting out the car with all that I’ve heard, unfortunately that didn’t happen. It was great fun and the rev matching is addictive but the suspension is so harsh! it couldn’t be a daily unless you have ultra smooth roads (we don’t in the UK) its a real shame really as its the main sticking point. If your looking for a weekend car or you like occasionally going to a track then buy this and don’t hesitate you will love it but if you need it to also go into town or drive to work you may get a bit fed up with it. I tested the Fiesta ST as well and its definitely noticeable how more compliant it is, still firm but more tolerable day to day and still gave me the biggest smile driving, ordering my ST this week, im almost disappointed as i was really hoping to prefer the I20N.
The problem with the Fiesta ST is not its performance, but that it looks as dull as ditch water inside and out. It just looks like any other Fiesta and I'd want something with a visual pop to match the exhaust note.
What do you mean? The front looks amazing, much better than a mk7
Given the reputation of Ford (sets itself on fire) and the quaility of Hyundai nowdays, you cannot compare the two. Would take the i20N without a question.
Would love to see a track battle with these two against a Clio 220 Trophy and a 208gti by PS.
And a DS3 performance
@@automata157 Good shout! 👍
Yes, a track batlle with a 208 GTI BPS/30th will be interesting
The fiesta is so cool but I reckon I'd go i20 just to give it a go!
These prices are Outrageous. Only in 2016 the Renault sport Mégane 275 was £23,950
Well.... welcome to inflation
@@kennyd7667 Yeah I get that. Except inflation has been rock bottom for years. The real problem is hyperinflation. How much is a Fiesta ST going to be in 4 yrs?
@@Stringwar that is a good point tbh. The prices are probably gonna get expensive, that is if ford keep making the fiesta st or they turn it into a hybrid or something
@@kennyd7667 when the first ST came out it was about £18k. If you put that into the bank of England inflation calculator it comes out at about £22k. The Germans have been doing this for years. My buddy is a sales rep and he's always had Audi's, hes gone from A6 to A5 and now for the same money his company is only willing to pay for an A1 or Merc A class.
Current Megane RS Trophy is around £38k now with DCT. I almost bought a manual Trophy 300 18 months ago when I bought my i30N and I was quoted £29k with a couple of options. List was around £32k with no options.
The issue now is option lists are getting taken away for WLTP compliance and the Trophy now gets loaded with more equipment but they pushed the price up.
I’ve put an order in for a i20N, comes in September, for me it was having something aggressive looking but it’s personal preference as the guy I work with has the fiesta st edition like the one in the video and I can appreciate it 👍
@@insyndicate Halfords probably
@@tsotsi5254 what shite are you talking
@@Murphy252000 your mom
I have an I20N and you won’t regret getting one it’s wicked and looks up to date with more technology 👍
No winner or loser in this test. Both are fantastic. I’ve got an ST I’d to go for a spin a i20N
Just a reminder that the i20n is £25k and includes everything! The ST driven here costs £29. I rate Hyundai because the colour is the only extra you get to pick, as it should be. As for the review, i came for a comparison and got a bias opinion instead..
This is his opinion as a very competent driver so listen to him
Ah I do miss my ST, what a damn good car it was, my JCW hasn't got a patch on the driving feel of the ST
I keep toying with the idea of getting a Fiesta ST next year and every time I watch Dan drive one, and the excitement on his face, I want it a little more.
Get one bought, i did 😀
I got one, I was only suppose to keep it for a year, 4 years down the road, and I still have it. It really is that good to drive, even better on track.
Mate, I had a focus mk2.5 5 pot for 6 years. Sold it and bought a new fiesta st, love it!
Best thing I’ve ever bought, buy it you won’t regret it. ITS SO FUN
I bought one in lockdown last year .. poor paint work/ build quality and rattles like a smack rat ..
Subsequently I’m getting rid ….
That Hyundai is beautiful
With my eyes closed
yeah man it looks badass.
What you may be getting in the i20n is something less commonplace on the road in comparison to the ST.
That's another reason I've ordered one.
Fiesta st is very uncommon aswell here in Germany where I live, I never see one
Great video and comparison. 2 fantastic Hot Hatches. I owned a 2015 Mini JCW and traded in for a new MK8 Fiesta ST. I have no regrets! More fun to drive and not much difference in power !
He almost flew out of the bend with that Fiesta. LoL.
My Mk3 Focus ST has a 91 (US) tune, Pro Alloy intercooler, Quaife LSD, Mountune intake and cat-back exhaust, Ford racing springs and Powerstop pads and rotors. 10 years of fun and still absolutely dependable. Has the original clutch, too.
That has nothing to do with Ford factory clutch durability, you just know how to drive a manual better than others
Even IF you were correct, I'd choose the N because it looks 10x better (IMO)
The frenchies left the game.... À shame.
205 gti, Clio Williams, 106 rallye, saxo vts, Clio 2 rs, Clio 3 rs, 208 gti bps... Just that
@@tracktimevideos5164 Correct.
Yes, it’s sad, especially given how beautifully designed is the last 208 !! Would have loved to see a GTI iteration of it !
but I still do love my Fiesta ST Mk8. if it’s not really a beauty, it’s a lot of fun to drive)))
@@PB-zv7zx the last 208 is a bit big for my taste... The previous one in bps version is a masterpiece
@@justinbennitt835 yep... So no interest whatsoever
The horrific tax on anything remotely sporty with a combustion engine in France is probably the reason.
I'm intrigued by the i20 N but I will go for the Fiesta St just because of the looks . And I like the 3 pot more
Lol the fiesta looks like your grandspa car 😂😂😂
A huge one for me is the i20N has auto rev-matching (a feature usually reserved for more expensive hot hatches) whereas the Fiesta ST does not.
Why not rev match normally??
@@jimmihall1347 It's just a nice to have
Can you do a comparison of the Fiesta ST against the BRZ/ GR86?
Both affordable by proper fun cars, with very different approaches!
I’m interested to see your thought because I’d love to buy the new Fiesta ST, but am currently weighting up against the GR86!
I had the same condundrum but I'm probably going with the fiesta st, even though the gr86 handles a bit better, for something so practical like the fiesta with a better interior and MUCH better sound and still oversteers!
@@rxs87See I test drove a brz and it’s just not practical at all. Lovely car though.
U can get more supportive seats on the i20N
As polite as I can be... The fiesta is more childish and absolutely adorable little monster and the I20 has the looks of a lunatic but a more grown-up driving style while maintaining practicality for a small family... If I could I would buy them both cause I absolutely love them equally... I grew up with hyundais and I bought a fiesta as my first car and its not an ST but its crazy either way
leaning towards i20 reviews dont means hit
I currently own a fiesta st since new for last three years, i took out a i20n yesterday and after testdrive placed a order, ive currently owned fords and fast fords for 30 yrs and for me both cars look nice from outside, inside the hyundai gets it, as for driving there not much in it, although for me the local hyundai dealer is top class where closest ford garage since my last one shut is now a arnold clark and wouldnt take out there or get out serviced there as they useless
Are you in the Uk if so is there a waiting list ?
@@ellisharker5035 fords near me wouldnt take orders on a new st, for the hyundai the local dealer had one in the showroom i could have had but it was different colour to what i wanted, but online it was showing 3/4 cars available in the colour i wanted for jan 23 delivery so roughly 5/6 month wait
Feeling the itching for a mk7 fiesta ST
Thank you for watching, this video was sponsored by Ford Motor Company.
I love your stuf but do we listen to you or the music in the background, I thought it was my tv
The background music should be a bit lower imo. Hopefully the editors fix this in the next video, it reminds me of old top gear with music way too loud
I test drove an ST. The appeal was totally lost on me. Felt wheezy and cheap.
And seats unbearable rattly trims wheel spin when you floor it
Man… I sure wish they gave us the new FiST in the states.
I had a FiST and Loved it!
Landed up getting a Veloster N. Which is like a grown up FiST.
If we had the i20N I’d have gotten that tho..
those two small hot hatches u can use all the power. Even stock the Velo N can’t be fully stretched on the road.
Of course my dumb ass did the FBO, tune, meth, big turbo thing on mine. Well I’m waiting on my turbo to come .. Garrett GTX2867R gen II.. finally came in. LAP3 is doing the turbo kit.
500bhp Velo N should be fun tho
I've got a Clio RS200 with Cup Pack, would love to see it compared with the modern hot hatches because it's still could be the best
Not with that gearbox.. Should've been a Manual.
@@purplehazeffc RS200 is the previous gen, naturally aspirated and manual
@@ollie-t7862
The performance Clio's are legendary and that RS200 is one of the best.
Great choice! 👍🏼
Had one of them years ago and regret selling it.
Since had an m140 and now a fiesta st3.
The st3 is brilliant better than the m140 but the clio would just about edge it it was that damn good. . . .
@iNSTAGiB a common misconception is that all renaults have poor reliability. . . Now that might be true of non renaultsport renaults (never owned one) but the renaultsports were built in a completely separate factory and are built to be thrashed.
Owned a 197 then a 200 for 3 years ragged it frequently and never had any issues whatsoever.
My current 2020 fiesta st3 I've owned for 6 months the turbo needed replacing white smoke pouring out the exhaust lol, the seat rattles and the front suspension rattled too but fixed under warranty.
I've bought new Fiesta ST2 with lacquer performance blue, performance pack, winter pack and couple more one month ago for 17600 pounds in Poland(Polish złoty 94600). All You people can write whatever You want, but no matter what You can't buy nothing better in this price. Nothing can even get close to this cart for that silly money :)
PS. Sorry for my rusty English ;)
It can't be that cheap right? that car should be closer to 30000€ without a discount
@@NineEleven1 It is that cheap, I got mine for 21200 euros with discount (and performance pack)
@@NineEleven1 It is but You don't buy it, because connection factory burned down in Japan and they won't be producing any Fiesta or Focus by the end of the year or even longer. I ordered car 11.2020 and I received it in 06.2021...
The fact he has to get the highest spec fiesta st just to compare the i20n says it all tbh
absolutely love the use of dnb
The reviewer was so bias he could have skipped the review all together.
"These 2 cars feel very similar; quite tense, quite stiff…but they're not brittle, they're not crashy or tense."
Well that's cleared that up.
We didn’t buy enough previous Gen Fiesta ST’s here in the states so Ford took them away 😒
Focus ST as well. Its a real shame. I bought two of them.
Fiesta ST is stopped worldwide. This one here is the last Fiesta ST ever
@@tracktimevideos5164 Ford stops Fiesta Production in 2024. If there is no Fiesta, there is no Fiesta ST. Maybe they bring a new small car. But definitely no Fiesta.
No, I don't think that is it. The PowerShift Automatic FIASCO cost Ford dearly. They should have ditched that doomed transmission instead of push ahead and lose their customers' trust. Had the auto option of the Fiesta and Focus been a conventional torque converter, I believe they would have kept one or the other here in our market, and the ST variant along with it. Until the troubles were truly laid bare with how bad the PowerShift design was, both models were still selling in good numbers. Sells went off a cliff when they announced the cancellations...
It makes me so sad that we cannot even buy Ford's two best cars: the Fiesta ST and the Focus ST hatchback while other markets get to buy both. They should do what VW is doing buy selling only the GTI for the Golf in North America. Ford can sell us just the ST performance variants - I'll take the Fiesta ST OR the Focus ST whichever they decide to bring us. It's Ford's own home market they are screwing. WHY Ford WHY?!
@@grantorino9049 Now that is a real shame. What a loss.
Sorry, did he say the ST is nearly £30k……. 😮
Who in the world pays list prices?
Nobody exactly....
I got mine for 28,5k €.. It is still expensive AF.
BUT I wanted a new car, manual, small and fun to drive.
There is not much left in this boring world.
So I just bought it and plan to drive it for 10+ years.
Such a bad and bias review 😂 what car lover doesn't want loads of settings? Have the car exactly how you like it. I have an m2 and always changing stuff. I like the fiesta, but for me the i20 is better overall. my mrs gets hers in a couple of months.
my stock 16 fiesta ST is the best car I own, and I have quite a few cars that are much more powerful.
After coming from a 430bhp m140 I enjoy my stock 2020 st3 much more its just so much more fun
i would consider the comparison more fair, if fiesta was using the stock dumpers and not coil-over ones.
As we all know coil overs can transform a car, making it more comfortable for the everyday driver, and same time more sport by letting you change the stock camber, caster and toe numbers. Furthermore coil overs let you change both bound and rebound. Stock st dumpers are really annoying for everyday drive, and ford knows that, so to deal with this, they gave the 28.000 pounds edition, so as to keep this con secret. Finally, for the more ...punchy top end of the ford, i would like to know what boost the ford runs, above 6.000 rpms. I20N drops boost below 1 bar above 6.000 rpms (0,8-0,9) for long run reliability and to keep the engine strong. If ford uses 1.2-1.4 bar boost them in the long run i see a lot of engine funerals. That why hyunday gives 5 years warranty without miles limitation, and ford gives only 2 years. ( i speak for factory quaranties).
Great small hot hatches!
Yea these reviewers never talk about reliability.
Idk how the i20N is tuned from factory, but in my 2k18 i30N boost falls of in the higher revs aswell to about 0.8-0.9bar as you say.
Ford gives 3 years/60,000 miles warranty in the UK. Obviously not as good as 5 years, but pretty standard for non-Korean brands.
@@Xenon0000000000001 Hyundai is so confident about their product, that they cover the i20n for track use too. Why do you think ford does not cover track usage? Because neither engine nor brakes can handle it. Last but not least the tester does not mention about the lack of braking performance concerning ford st. Hot hatch without great brakes?
@@georgealex8306 You said that Ford runs higher boost at high RPM and that's why they only have two years warranty. I simply stated that you get 3 years warranty in the UK, which is true. Nothing you said changes that.
I would pick absolutely anything over the fiesta aftwr having the 2017 st .. that interior quality was absolutely shocking the car literally rattled and buzzed irs self appart from new what a shed
Mk8 is a different proposition , modern interior, better put together. Car is quicker, sounds better, handles better with the diff and is more economical.
I have a fiesta st2 with performance pack
Just a ST fanboy driving the i20N
Prefer the reliability of the Hyundai engine over the Ford. Drive modes are easy to follow, and shouldn’t be bewildering for an “experienced” tester. I also noticed you didn’t put them head to head for an objective test.
I'm buying an I20N this Christmas and I kinda don't like how you judged Hyundai as Fiesta fan (as you said). You said fully loaded fiesta costs almost 29k which is 3-4k€ more than Hyundai and if you would have fiesta spected at 25-26k€ it wouldn't be as fun as i20N is which makes Hyundai much better when it comes to price/performance/features ratio.
Then there is 0-100km/h which Hyundai can do 0.4 sec faster than fiesta, (I20N- 6.2s, ST- 6.6s) which is a lot and you didn't mentioned that either. You also didn't say anything about the looks of the cars because I20N looks much sportier and aggressive. Then there is difference between fiesta's 3 cyl and Hyundai's 4 cyl and if you would ask me or many car guys, just because of the extra 1 cyl and more reliability, many of them would choose Hyundai instead of Ford and that leads me to the next thing which is sound that these cars make( 3cyl will never have such an aggressive sound as 4cyl engine and that's fact). Then there is the clutch which I20N has hardened and Fiesta has not... For me is I20N real winner and that was just one sided comparison from his side (because he is fiesta fan) which could make people deciding between Hyundai and Ford lean towards buying ford which I'm very disappointed about.
Everyone has their preference, there really isn't a lot between the cars, either are a good choice
Good points there
@@rickcastellione2267 thanks bud.
A solid argument
The i20N looks like the designer crashed into Halfords whilst reading a 90s MaxPower magazine…🤙
I20n is more fun baught 1 is more exclusive ford you can find them everywhere
I’m shocked. Not! Had this guy ever gave a win to a non-Big brand name? Fortunately, normal people will love both cars and choose what ticks the boxes for them.
This is such a biased video that I just can’t get my head around it. There is no point in comparing when you have already determine the outcome before the result. The Hyundai N division are doing great things snd their focus on giving all these adjustability for that price is what makes them top of the market. The performance you get for the money is unmatched as well. Ford might make the fiesta and focus on Europe but they have lost their head all over the world selling SUVs/CUVs/truck and an atrociously named mustang Mach E. They closing operations in many countries around the world snd their supply chain is just garbage. On the other hand Hyundai is going to make their own chips and they are way more self sustainable and understand the growing markets as well. For all of these reasons Hyundai deserve to be appreciated.
I've come to the conclusion that Dan is my favourite 'new-car' reviewer. Informative, balanced and no histrionics.
Balanced from a Ford Fiesta fan boy? Lol.
Talk about biased. It's clear which one was hoping to win within the first 20 seconds. Hardly a like-for-like comparison either.
Whilst the Fiesta is a great car I just cannot deal with looks. I mean look at the back and those awful rear windows.
Keep in mind they make these review videos AFTER they've already driven the cars
Whats with that REV button?
I20n alloys are 🔥
Great review style..
very good review
I had a mk7 st. Something about that car made it special. Don't get that with the i20n.
i kinda prefer i20n as it's as fun as Fiesta and much more stable throughout the corner.. while Fiesta kinda aggressive
Like both, but hte Fiesta is probably the most complete Sport Car.
MINI JCW is better than both...
So Dan is confused by the choice of settings in the Hyundai? Maybe he should get another job that won't tax his brain cells too much, when did options become a bad thing?
Nobody complained that the i30N had an individual setting to set the car as you'd like it, diff, exhaust, throttle, steering, damping, with multiple settings, plus Eco, Normal, Sport, N and N individual but many journalist complained that the Focus ST didn't have individual settings so to get it sounding it's best you had to put up with rock hard suspension settings. As a note the i30N has more settings as it has adaptive dampers which aren't on the i20N and sometimes you might not want the full on pops and bangs of the exhaust in it's most expressive setting.
Yeah, this *_'comparison'_* seemed like a sales video for the Fiesta...
Not sure there’s a need to be a douchebag about it. It’s his opinion about a bloody car.
@@gam88a He didn't complain about setup choices with the i30N so it feels like a nit picking excercise at this point. Plus I missed one option from the i30N - Rev Matching. Once I found a mix I was happy with I saved them in Individual setting and have rarely gone back to change them in the 18 months since I bought the car. Same as my Golf R before the i30N
@@bat33.12 and so telling him to go find another job because he’s dumb is then acceptable is it?
@@gam88a He is not dumb, just biased.
It's impressive the i20N is bigger, 4 door and still lighter than the Fiesta ST.
Thanks for the review, I'm thinking about getting the i20N as my first ever car, so good to see a detailed review
The best modern day journalist, brilliant detail
Totally agree the ST is king in this class always has been 👍👍👍
I'm 47. When I was younger I drove a Civic Type R EP3, I loved that vehicle. The Fiesta ST somehow reminds me of it. A more civilized version of that CTR, that is. But you need a bit more of civilized when you get old. ;)
I find it really annoying that professional motoring journalists don't pronounce Hyundai properly. They had an ad campaign for years where it was pronounced Hyundai like Sunday.
It's abit unfair to compare the ST edition with coilovers. Why not compare the standard ST?
This guy is a Fiesta fanboy.
And also you configure your favourite driving options, so you haven't to do it every time.
Does the i20n a harder ride ?
I disagree with all the hate, great information and valuable, respectable point of view as always! Cheers Dan
If you gave me the Festa, I would throw it in the creek. i20 is a very clear winner.
Hyundai definitely a no brainer
i20N all the way! Much better warranty, better looks, better interior, N-Community. Easy deciscion ✌
Better looks!??
@@75Mdb “the beauty is in the eye beholder “ both looks good
@@simon2823 the new one is better for thefts. I’ve not heard of many being stolen. This maybe down to better security features or maybe that doesn’t look that much different from a regular st line fiesta
So good it was discontinued.
From the beginning author praises Fiesta ST. So how can this comparision end? :/
I love the Fiesta ST
I was with you until you made ‘having option’s’ such as multiple exhaust notes, in the i20N, a negative. Clearly not a reliable reviewer. Thumbs Down 👎
Just hope the Fiesta doesn't have to be scrapped after 50k miles like many of the three cylinder eco boosts.