You may know the answer to this question, but what's the difference between the black and gold X amps compared to the earlier black and red thunder amps? Especially the 2300 model.
I had a single 15 in a slot 4cuft through a hole in the bed in a reg cab originally intended for 3 10w6s The 2300x was a monster and that setup did a 148db legal and 161db in the slot WITHOUT the big 3... 😁
Dodd Garger I have two working 2300x amps and one under repair. I have five fully functioning 150x’s and that’s the one I wish someone would put on the dyno because that’s a stout little amp. All together I must have close to thirty old MTX amps and the crazy thing is that I’ve never had one in my systems.
I just stumbled upon your show a few nights ago; now every night before i fall asleep i find myself watching your show. some of the amps you dyno i use to own the same models....some years back i had built a 50 speaker sound system in my Chevy Suburban. Over the years i faded away from it and even got rid of all my gear that i kick myself in the ass for....i had 32 amps in my collection back then...now i got this wild tick to build a 28 speaker set-up in the cab of my Chevy pick up...i've gotten back some of my old gear as well as some other gear that i have bought like a Phoenix Gold ZX475ti...your show helps inspire me back into a passion i should have never left in the first place...thank you....love your show BigDWizz
Awesome, I really enjoy seeing these types of comments! I've been making videos about old school car audio on my channel now for over 7 years. It's not the most popular subject, but it's what I'm passionate about. It's cool when it brings back memories for other people who have let the flame subside (it never goes away). Thanks for watching and commenting
I had two off these little beast in use between 2000 to 02 doing DB drags. Each pushing its own Jl 15w3. The .5ohm was very stable on this masterpiece of the cheaters. They would get hot but were extremely tough. I've still got one. Im considering breaking it out of retirement.
Maybe 3rd of the 25x2 cheaters behind the Lanzar 50c and US Amps VLX-50. When you are good (Orion 225 HCCA), everyone is gunning for you and wants to best you...looks like ***** did that with the 225HO!
Dereck BigDWiz My friend. You have a wonderful dyno.. Why don't you put it to use testing more new amps as well.. I understand people complain about this.. But it isn't that easy to get people to volunteer their vintage amp for a torture test....
adam as I get at least 1-2 requests a day to test somebody's amp. That's cool, I understand everyone wants to know how much power their amp makes. I'd be the same way. Truth is, my channel is mainly devoted to OS car audio and I occasionally mix in some newer stuff. There's others with Dyno's that test mostly new stuff including Cody DroppinHz Johnson and Coleman Thedinger. I have a very limited amount of time each week to work with my hobby, so for now until I test all of my amps and the OS ones on my bucket list, most of my tests will be old amps.
Came across your show a couple weeks ago looking for information on this amp and after watching your video realized why I loved this amp so much. Awesome video, awesome amp. thanks for the testing!
Congratulations on 80k subscribers and I remember when we only had about 12,000 subscribers awesome Channel awesome content and no I'm not going for the Guinness Book of World Records longest sentence in history I'm voice texting and driving just had to give my input everybody have a good day old school never dies
MTX is the safest and best performing amp. PERIOD! A few of my friends were running PPI amps and gave me test unit, (fire) Orion amps were highly marketed(another fire). MTX amps are more stable at low Ohms.
I've got the Mtx Thunder 225ho black version,the white 225ho version and the Thunder 3200X. Love those amps. Got 2 new in the box Mtx Thunder 7000's to go with them whenever I do a old school setup.
Love the OS MTX Thunder amps! Thanks for the video. I just dropped my 2150x to 2 ohms (not rated for) on a single 15 OS Rockford HX2 in my bug. Very impressive!
The only thing I remember about MTX. Is how they called BS on subwoofers that "claimed" to take more then 300 Watts of power. The owner, or some guy in charge. Stated this fact, in one of the car audio magazines, or Installation News.
I just got #3 and #4 of these... too bad I won't be able to enter any of the runs into the old school challenge. I never got the meter and my friggin 6 inch ports that i ordered may 12th just got shipped... paid for box designed around these ports..
More than you’d think I have 2 and one my son is using right now it’s still putting in work after all these years and beats the death out of his sub after today subs lol!!
@@JMHurdJr Yeah back in the day and I mean back when that the black and gold MTX 2300x came out it did 750* 1 or it was rated at that! I know those dang things was doing at least a 950 to 1,000 Watts that was the largest amp MTX made and I had four of them on 8 Lanzar DC optidrive series15-inch Subs that's when Lanzar optidrive was Top notch! My buddy still to this day has the MTX 2150 same series Black and Gold on 2 Mtx 5000 10-inch Subs( but he doesn't use the subs anymore even though he has them in mint condition)Back then the subwoofers were all black they made a 3000 a 5000 and a 7000 series subwoofer and he took it out of his 1996 Camaro in 1998 and put the subwoofers back in the box and the amp he still has it in his most recent vehicle that amps been in probably nine different cars and trucks and never had a problem not one time! Later buddy
@@JustSub2Me purchased me a 225 HO waiting on it to get here I got another 2300x “Black w gold letters” I purchased it not working my tech got it back in business!!
I have a mtx 2300x gold amp I bought at a tobacco barn flea market in Wilson north Carolina for for 10$ ten bucks and play like a champ.I just don't know how the power rating
Big d, totally unrelated question. Do you know of anyone who may have knowledge or listings of factory car amps? With the amount produced there has to be some decent ones out there . And with you pull yards and cheap price I was curious about possible system build around them. Just to see what could be thrown together. Thanks.
That is a very nasty amp, I used to have one back in the day. Was constantly pushing the limits of my stock electrical system. It had no problems driving a dead short without catching on fire.
I used to have this amp and had it hooked to two 500 watt mtx 10's for the life of me could not figure out why it pounded them so loud, back then I didn't know shit, now I see why, should have kept it.
Wow, I am constantly blown away by these old school amps. If i only knew what i had back when. Do you have any insight as to whether or not the new mtx amps perform as well, or at least to rated? I know the Rockford amps are pretty solid but I never hear about mtx. Thanks for the great videos big D.
MTX still under rates their amps, especially on the higher end lines, so does Rockford Fosgate, especially with their power series. But keep in mind the entire point of under rating is provide more headroom over what you're gain should be set to. So if you set the gains to a rated 600 watts and it actually does 728 watts. You would have 128 watts of headroom for things like bass boost but really the extra power is pretty much nothing in reality nor would likely perceive a difference than if it just did 600 watts flat. Older amps like these were also often put out a coloured sound. with higher peaks in the lows and highs....as a marketing tool for consumer comparisons with other brands, the peaks stood out more to them. Back in the day it also had something to do with competitions where you would be in say around the 600 watt class but the cheat is that the amp does more?? At least that's the way I understood it. Nowadays all of this is trivial. So long as the amps are 2006 CEA rated, you know it will do at least the rated power displayed. Plus most people don't even set gains correctly or use good wiring anyway, so they either don't get rated output or clip it to death. Buy good amps that come with a birth sheet if you want to see actual outputs at various voltages but really it won't be perceivable by most unless they under rate it by half the power which would then blow subs consumers buy for them making that even more fruitless.
hey Dereck. do you have a manual for a mtx 275x amp or one with the same kinda control settings? I can't find a manual online anywhere. and the amp doesn't have any numbers on it to see where you're setting the eq and hz...thanks man!! David
Dereck BigDWiz Is there a possibility you could get in a PPi BK 1800 and test it would really love to know the numbers from that amp. Or maybe someone can send him one for testing
Josh Ianneillo in the future, this is a possibility, but right now, I have many amps lined up to test. Most are old school plus a couple sent to me by manufacturers.
Dereck BigDWiz Ok No problem. i am just very interested to see he numbers from that amp because i bought and for the money the guts look like they could do it
lol, When you see the dynoruns on smd channel with newer amps some dont hit their rating, or barely. Would this be just a higher power model with a diffrent sticker slapped on it? Or just rated VERY conservative?
Many old school amps were rated at 12 or 12.5V, so their "actual" output in a car would be more as most factory charging systems can provide at least 13.5V (some up to 14.8V). That's the big difference here. There are not many high current 2ch amps still produced today, so it's hard to say how they might rate it.
@@wal It just arrived. I posted a pic in the old school challenge. came in its original box with original birth sheet. In amazing condition. I can't believe the guy took my offer of $150 the first day it was on ebay.
Possibly for the burst test, but not a load I'd use in any daily setup. The 2300 has quite a bit more reserve power and designed for 2 ohms stereo or 4 ohms mono
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I might have actually made that amplifier..as I was working for MTX here in Phoenix during this generation of Thunder production. Cheers, BigD!
You may know the answer to this question, but what's the difference between the black and gold X amps compared to the earlier black and red thunder amps? Especially the 2300 model.
@@carltonmiller8086 the crossover that's all the thunder amps have a slightly better xover
I had a single 15 in a slot 4cuft through a hole in the bed in a reg cab originally intended for 3 10w6s
The 2300x was a monster and that setup did a 148db legal and 161db in the slot WITHOUT the big 3...
😁
Dodd Garger I have two working 2300x amps and one under repair. I have five fully functioning 150x’s and that’s the one I wish someone would put on the dyno because that’s a stout little amp. All together I must have close to thirty old MTX amps and the crazy thing is that I’ve never had one in my systems.
Was the thunder 4122 underrated? 2001-2002
I just stumbled upon your show a few nights ago; now every night before i fall asleep i find myself watching your show. some of the amps you dyno i use to own the same models....some years back i had built a 50 speaker sound system in my Chevy Suburban. Over the years i faded away from it and even got rid of all my gear that i kick myself in the ass for....i had 32 amps in my collection back then...now i got this wild tick to build a 28 speaker set-up in the cab of my Chevy pick up...i've gotten back some of my old gear as well as some other gear that i have bought like a Phoenix Gold ZX475ti...your show helps inspire me back into a passion i should have never left in the first place...thank you....love your show BigDWizz
Awesome, I really enjoy seeing these types of comments! I've been making videos about old school car audio on my channel now for over 7 years. It's not the most popular subject, but it's what I'm passionate about. It's cool when it brings back memories for other people who have let the flame subside (it never goes away). Thanks for watching and commenting
I have an old mtx thunder 282 from 2005 and it still kicks ass!
I had two off these little beast in use between 2000 to 02 doing DB drags. Each pushing its own Jl 15w3. The .5ohm was very stable on this masterpiece of the cheaters. They would get hot but were extremely tough. I've still got one. Im considering breaking it out of retirement.
Unthinkable powa!! Really put the Orion 225 HCCA to shame!
Maybe 3rd of the 25x2 cheaters behind the Lanzar 50c and US Amps VLX-50. When you are good (Orion 225 HCCA), everyone is gunning for you and wants to best you...looks like ***** did that with the 225HO!
And then some! Lol
Dereck BigDWiz My friend. You have a wonderful dyno.. Why don't you put it to use testing more new amps as well.. I understand people complain about this.. But it isn't that easy to get people to volunteer their vintage amp for a torture test....
adam as I get at least 1-2 requests a day to test somebody's amp. That's cool, I understand everyone wants to know how much power their amp makes. I'd be the same way. Truth is, my channel is mainly devoted to OS car audio and I occasionally mix in some newer stuff. There's others with Dyno's that test mostly new stuff including Cody DroppinHz Johnson and Coleman Thedinger. I have a very limited amount of time each week to work with my hobby, so for now until I test all of my amps and the OS ones on my bucket list, most of my tests will be old amps.
Would really like to see you test a Mtx blue thunder pro 150x2 or a 300x2 like that test feo 50 watt amp nice
Came across your show a couple weeks ago looking for information on this amp and after watching your video realized why I loved this amp so much. Awesome video, awesome amp. thanks for the testing!
MTX! This is old schoooooollll! I remember this one back in the early 90's, late 80's.
Congratulations on 80k subscribers and I remember when we only had about 12,000 subscribers awesome Channel awesome content and no I'm not going for the Guinness Book of World Records longest sentence in history I'm voice texting and driving just had to give my input everybody have a good day old school never dies
MTX is the safest and best performing amp. PERIOD! A few of my friends were running PPI amps and gave me test unit, (fire) Orion amps were highly marketed(another fire).
MTX amps are more stable at low Ohms.
I've got the Mtx Thunder 225ho black version,the white 225ho version and the Thunder 3200X. Love those amps. Got 2 new in the box Mtx Thunder 7000's to go with them whenever I do a old school setup.
jlugk789 do u want 2 more 225ho s? 1 black 1 white available in bama
Love the OS MTX Thunder amps! Thanks for the video. I just dropped my 2150x to 2 ohms (not rated for) on a single 15 OS Rockford HX2 in my bug. Very impressive!
Sounds like a sweet setup!
Subbin2 are you still running that set up and just how hard was it hittin.
Great amp much harder to find than the orion 225 nowadays
Keep in mind that some of these tests the voltage is dropping pretty good..... in the certified especially. Great amps! Lube the pots on them!!!
I always loved mtx they have always made there power i grew up on rf and mtx eclipse jl those were the brands to have
Yeah boi
The only thing I remember about MTX. Is how they called BS on subwoofers that "claimed" to take more then 300 Watts of power.
The owner, or some guy in charge. Stated this fact, in one of the car audio magazines, or Installation News.
I was shitting bricks @ 1Ω
Miss this amp. Used to own
you jam probes into the power wire and ground wire use a distrabution block or clip leads
wow that clean i use to have same amp but it was 4000 series 4 channel was hting hard with only one channel love mtx
MTX def made good amps with the thunder(all black) series.kinda reminds you of the fosgate punch 45,75,150 in a way..
Just happened to pick up a white version of this gem to add to my collection for 85 dollars just today.
Do the mtx thunder 2300x in gold letting next
I'd like to see this pitted against the Fry'n Orion 225HC
Excellent video always. Any Dyno on mtx thunder 7801?
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Big D, can you please test a Audison LRx 400 when you get a chance? Thank you..
I wish you can test a MTX THUNDER 801D & see what it do. Maybe you can tell me your guess.
If you were to know or have to guess, what would the MTX 4300x put out @ 4Ohms ?
UnknownHandle UnknownHandle my 4300x birth sheet showed 67wpc rms @12.5v
I just got #3 and #4 of these... too bad I won't be able to enter any of the runs into the old school challenge. I never got the meter and my friggin 6 inch ports that i ordered may 12th just got shipped... paid for box designed around these ports..
I thought I had heard that on one of your videos or in one of your posts somewhere.
I got 6 of these because of this vid. Including a nib with birth sheet.
Yo you hoard them all? 😜
50-75 amp ?/Good mono block 2 12's anyone ???
100 thumbs up as usual love the vids!
Thanks for watching and commenting...and the 100 thumbs up!
I wonder what the MTX 275x really does?
More than you’d think I have 2 and one my son is using right now it’s still putting in work after all these years and beats the death out of his sub after today subs lol!!
@@JMHurdJr Yeah back in the day and I mean back when that the black and gold MTX 2300x came out it did 750* 1 or it was rated at that! I know those dang things was doing at least a 950 to 1,000 Watts that was the largest amp MTX made and I had four of them on 8 Lanzar DC optidrive series15-inch Subs that's when Lanzar optidrive was Top notch! My buddy still to this day has the MTX 2150 same series Black and Gold on 2 Mtx 5000 10-inch Subs( but he doesn't use the subs anymore even though he has them in mint condition)Back then the subwoofers were all black they made a 3000 a 5000 and a 7000 series subwoofer and he took it out of his 1996 Camaro in 1998 and put the subwoofers back in the box and the amp he still has it in his most recent vehicle that amps been in probably nine different cars and trucks and never had a problem not one time! Later buddy
@@JustSub2Me purchased me a 225 HO waiting on it to get here I got another 2300x “Black w gold letters” I purchased it not working my tech got it back in business!!
Has anyone tested the planet audio bb 2400.1???
I have a mtx 2300x gold amp I bought at a tobacco barn flea market in Wilson north Carolina for for 10$ ten bucks and play like a champ.I just don't know how the power rating
he tested a 2300 and got 860 watts certified bridged at 4 ohms! impressive
ive always wondered about the tupe rf amps and their capabilities
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Nice!, an oollll skool video uploaded on my birthday
Big d, totally unrelated question. Do you know of anyone who may have knowledge or listings of factory car amps? With the amount produced there has to be some decent ones out there . And with you pull yards and cheap price I was curious about possible system build around them. Just to see what could be thrown together. Thanks.
That is a very nasty amp, I used to have one back in the day. Was constantly pushing the limits of my stock electrical system. It had no problems driving a dead short without catching on fire.
I used to have this amp and had it hooked to two 500 watt mtx 10's for the life of me could not figure out why it pounded them so loud, back then I didn't know shit, now I see why, should have kept it.
Yep, one of their best ever!
Shaun Nichols you were hearing 369watts with your 2 ohm load sir
Wow, I am constantly blown away by these old school amps. If i only knew what i had back when. Do you have any insight as to whether or not the new mtx amps perform as well, or at least to rated? I know the Rockford amps are pretty solid but I never hear about mtx. Thanks for the great videos big D.
I'm not sure about the new MTX amps as I haven't tried any of them. Thanks for the comment.
MTX still under rates their amps, especially on the higher end lines, so does Rockford Fosgate, especially with their power series. But keep in mind the entire point of under rating is provide more headroom over what you're gain should be set to. So if you set the gains to a rated 600 watts and it actually does 728 watts. You would have 128 watts of headroom for things like bass boost but really the extra power is pretty much nothing in reality nor would likely perceive a difference than if it just did 600 watts flat.
Older amps like these were also often put out a coloured sound. with higher peaks in the lows and highs....as a marketing tool for consumer comparisons with other brands, the peaks stood out more to them.
Back in the day it also had something to do with competitions where you would be in say around the 600 watt class but the cheat is that the amp does more?? At least that's the way I understood it.
Nowadays all of this is trivial. So long as the amps are 2006 CEA rated, you know it will do at least the rated power displayed. Plus most people don't even set gains correctly or use good wiring anyway, so they either don't get rated output or clip it to death.
Buy good amps that come with a birth sheet if you want to see actual outputs at various voltages but really it won't be perceivable by most unless they under rate it by half the power which would then blow subs consumers buy for them making that even more fruitless.
@@pimphandgamester Thanks for dropping some knowledge for us!
Hey big d, are termlabs accurate for. Measuring watts? I am about to buy something for spl and watts and I want the most accurate. Thanks in advance!
What about the MTX THUNDER 1501D
Any body know the dyno ratings
Love my HO. I guess I needed a little more oomph for that 1k.
hey Dereck. do you have a manual for a mtx 275x amp or one with the same kinda control settings? I can't find a manual online anywhere. and the amp doesn't have any numbers on it to see where you're setting the eq and hz...thanks man!! David
Dereck BigDWiz Is there a possibility you could get in a PPi BK 1800 and test it would really love to know the numbers from that amp. Or maybe someone can send him one for testing
Josh Ianneillo in the future, this is a possibility, but right now, I have many amps lined up to test. Most are old school plus a couple sent to me by manufacturers.
Dereck BigDWiz Ok No problem. i am just very interested to see he numbers from that amp because i bought and for the money the guts look like they could do it
I have a pair of these amps and they are horribly powerful. It was built as a cheater amp back in the old days for people running at 100watts class
Is this the same amp as a 2300x?
little no sir. the 2300x was 150x2 @4ohms & doubles @2ohms (stereo). The mono rating was 600w @4ohms.
lol, When you see the dynoruns on smd channel with newer amps some dont hit their rating, or barely. Would this be just a higher power model with a diffrent sticker slapped on it? Or just rated VERY conservative?
Many old school amps were rated at 12 or 12.5V, so their "actual" output in a car would be more as most factory charging systems can provide at least 13.5V (some up to 14.8V). That's the big difference here. There are not many high current 2ch amps still produced today, so it's hard to say how they might rate it.
Aun tengo una 4300x funcionando perfecto
Guys I have MTX audio Thunder 300xd class D Mono amp I can't find any vids on this amp can anybody give me sum info on the amp please!
I believe MTX still has manuals for older amps. Check mtxaudio.com
Where can I find your contact information? I have a few units I would like to get tested.
Go to my channel, about, contact
I had one of these with my eclipse 5v deadhead radios back in the days. If I remember it had 3 30 amp fuses on it. It was the real deal.
Holyfield!
Cheaper amp?
Love MTX.
Test the dd m80
Lovin it
I had a 2300x and replaced with a 1500dx 😁👍
Are the MTX 250x Amps good in power
Ruff Mutt no sir
I just bought one of these,
One of the best ever
@@wal It just arrived. I posted a pic in the old school challenge. came in its original box with original birth sheet. In amazing condition. I can't believe the guy took my offer of $150 the first day it was on ebay.
can the 2300 handle a 1/2 ohm load like the 225HO?
Possibly for the burst test, but not a load I'd use in any daily setup. The 2300 has quite a bit more reserve power and designed for 2 ohms stereo or 4 ohms mono
Awesome Asian gadget man the 1/2 ohm stable is only recommend in stereo mode by MTX. As far as mono goes, it lowest recommend ohms is 1.
thats awesome
Thanks for watching and commenting!
no problem BigDWiz
Got one for sale any body???
Still looking for one?
Lalo jacobo I've got 2 in Bama available
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Dereck BigDWiz
thx!!! awesome video!! i wish they still made amps like this
Got one for sale???
Still looking for one?
+jo0nj0on im interested
+Josh Hanson i got a white one. i want the black to go with it.
Best cheater amp of all time right there. 💪🏼
Pretty crazy!
The 2300x was my go too cheater amp!!
Planning on selling mines. Hit me up.
still got those ??
"Cheater-licious"
I have a stack of MTX equipment,all junk broken.
I got the blue thunder series
50x2 75x2 150x2 and 3002
Don't like the 4 channel amps
Would really like to see you test a Mtx blue thunder pro 150x2 or a 300x2 like that test feo 50 watt amp nice