Labour landslide - who’s in and who’s out? | SpectatorTV

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  • As predicted, Keir Starmer has won an enormous majority. Elsewhere, eleven cabinet ministers have lost their seats, including: Grant Shapps, Gillian Keegan and Penny Mordaunt. Former prime minister Liz Truss has lost her seat, as have senior Tories Jacob Rees-Mogg and Miriam Cates. The Lib Dems have made massive gains, the SNP were decimated in Scotland and Nigel Farage is the MP for Clacton.
    But it’s not a clean sweep for Labour. Two Labour frontbenchers have lost their seats and Starmer will enter government on a vote share of 35 per cent, the lowest of any postwar governing party. Will this hinder him in government? And is this landslide down to the Farage effect?
    James Heale speaks to Fraser Nelson and Katy Balls.
    Produced by Natasha Feroze and Oscar Edmondson.
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  • @andrewhotston983
    @andrewhotston983 21 день тому +145

    Labour got two-thirds of the seats with only one-third of the popular vote. A clear demonstration of the unfairness of FPTP.

    • @southpawjinx1
      @southpawjinx1 21 день тому +41

      Yeah the debate about PR and FPTP tends to follow a trend. Those in power tend to go cold on the suggestion of electoral reform, while those out of government tend to get very vocal about it. The Tories had 14 years to make those reforms but somehow didn’t.

    • @aclark903
      @aclark903 21 день тому +16

      @@southpawjinx1Reform currently are getting 1 MP per million votes…😢

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 21 день тому +3

      @@aclark903 rank choice voting might help but reform got 2nd or 3rd in a ton of races

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 21 день тому

      All election systems are silly and corrupt

    • @southpawjinx1
      @southpawjinx1 21 день тому +11

      @@aclark903 good, 1 MP per million votes too many

  • @lewislee9201
    @lewislee9201 21 день тому +92

    The Tories did not deserve a single seat for the disaster they inflicted on country for the last 14 years.

    • @joce11
      @joce11 21 день тому +8

      Agree but IMO the UK has in effect voted for the status quo by voting Labour. If Labour goes on to do the same as the Tories then they deserve the same fate as the Tories come the next GE.

    • @beecat9951
      @beecat9951 21 день тому

      ​@@joce11 They'll do the same as the Tories but on steroids. The angry people who voted Labour for change will be left severely disillusioned.

    • @whitepanties2751
      @whitepanties2751 21 день тому

      @@lewislee9201 No, the Conservatives as a Party deserved nothing, but some individual MPs deserved better, including Miriam Cates and Jacob Rees Mogg.

    • @stevedavy2878
      @stevedavy2878 21 день тому +1

      Some Turkeys will always vote for the Butcher

    • @robinbreeds9217
      @robinbreeds9217 21 день тому +1

      Yet i saw every thing falling part in my town when Labour had been last in power Factory after Factory closed and nothing replaced it but a Tescos and ASDA and more housing built, so none of the issues are ever addressed

  • @thedrvn
    @thedrvn 21 день тому +106

    The WEF is the hammer, Labour the Nail and the coffin is the UK.

  • @alangardner8596
    @alangardner8596 21 день тому +25

    The 2nd lowest turnout than has ever been recorded and only a marginal increase in people voting Labour so although the amount of Labour MP's is impressive it's a very fragile victory.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 20 днів тому +1

      @@alangardner8596 based on our system, it’s a big win, but it’s more a repudiation of the Tories, however Labour now have a majority so big they can pass whatever they want, so it’ll be interesting to see if they can stick together and pass things that actually help the NHS, single mothers, the poor working class, etc. Keir Starmer is a centre right politician so I don’t see it happening

    • @joeruiz4010
      @joeruiz4010 20 днів тому +1

      @@TTWGD3 UK is going full-on Venezuela. Bottom line.

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders 20 днів тому

      ​@@TTWGD3But do they know what a "mother" is? 😂

  • @japfourme381
    @japfourme381 21 день тому +68

    Labour didn’t win this with a Landslide Victory! The Tories lost it with a Landslide Defeat!!

    • @philipebbrell2793
      @philipebbrell2793 21 день тому

      Governments lose elections rather oppositions win it.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 20 днів тому +3

      @@japfourme381 technically both are true but in a funny twist Reform actually helped Labour get their big majority

    • @markstothard2100
      @markstothard2100 20 днів тому

      Majority was no vote. 40% didn’t take part and don’t require to be governed.

  • @gavwan
    @gavwan 21 день тому +20

    Torys and SNP lost, Labour gained about 1% more votes than 2019 in England when they lost that election.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 20 днів тому

      @@gavwan yes but their opponents dropped drastically so who cares? lol Labour got more votes under Corbyn but no one would say his party rule was more successful, you go by the system in place and even if it is a really stupid system, Labour now can pass anything they want essentially so who cares about vote totals lol

    • @Colin623
      @Colin623 20 днів тому +1

      Yes indeed, same number of votes, but they were trashed by the Tories, this time round same number of votes but get a record number of seats in parliament ! Totally anti-democratic and unrepresentative system we have !

  • @IMAC1776
    @IMAC1776 21 день тому +19

    You can be absolutely certain if Boris had won a 170 seat majority on 33% of the vote all everyone would be talking about was his lack of mandate and the urgent need for electoral reform.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 21 день тому

      Well that was realised by the left in the last election.
      Now it's the night's turn.
      Will it happen anytime soon?
      Doubt it.
      It's rare for the winner to call the process broken and the Tories have traditionally done extremely well out of First Past the Post.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 20 днів тому

      @@IMAC1776 Labour got 10 percent more than the next party? There were more votes for other parties but Labour still beat everyone else by a wide margin

  • @nickgood8166
    @nickgood8166 21 день тому +20

    The Tories did far better than I expected.

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 20 днів тому

      @@nickgood8166 121 seats is their worst showing ever

    • @onehairybuddha
      @onehairybuddha 20 днів тому +1

      @@TTWGD3 Better than they deserved.

    • @biwnzixebrxb4786
      @biwnzixebrxb4786 20 днів тому

      There will always be old people who just don't follow politics nor current events, just vote the same party for the last 50 years.

    • @christopherchessum7439
      @christopherchessum7439 19 днів тому

      They did better than I had expected too; but my expectations were low.

  • @undefinedfreedom8580
    @undefinedfreedom8580 21 день тому +13

    Boris Johnson managed to do the impossible: from a land slide majority to an utter oblivion.

    • @zondike1
      @zondike1 20 днів тому

      Genius! I feared this at the time, when I reluctantly voted for him over Jeremy Hunt as leader.

    • @AndreiMuntean0
      @AndreiMuntean0 20 днів тому

      And if the Conservatives had won the election now? Would it still have been because of Boris Johnson (who hasn't been in power for 2 years)?

  • @REwing
    @REwing 21 день тому +61

    There is not going to be any different from the last corruption.

    • @WeAllLovePineapples
      @WeAllLovePineapples 21 день тому +5

      @REwing that's a lie that the Conservatives have been telling us for so long. It can get better, and politicians can -and must- be held to higher standards. Have hope.

    • @bigpete4227
      @bigpete4227 21 день тому +6

      I disagree, think that starmer will escalate all the problems the tories escalated from Blair.

    • @MrLemmiwinks91
      @MrLemmiwinks91 21 день тому +4

      That is the plan. Labour will do exactly what the tories were doing but will do it x100. The point is unfortunately the country will have to go through a really bad period over the next 5 years which will hopefully make more people realise that neither of these parties have the British peoples interest.

    • @microwaves25
      @microwaves25 21 день тому +3

      It will get better. These Tories were as bad as they come.

    • @chazzlebazzle69
      @chazzlebazzle69 21 день тому

      New broom

  • @georgesdelatour
    @georgesdelatour 21 день тому +10

    Starmer has the temperament of a political commissar. He’s a charisma vacuum.

  • @Airwolf106
    @Airwolf106 21 день тому +33

    Same circus different clown

  • @timwoodger7896
    @timwoodger7896 21 день тому +85

    Corporate socialists out and corporate socialists back in 😂😂

    • @TTWGD3
      @TTWGD3 21 день тому

      Literally none of these WEF and Davros funded politicians are even close to Socialists, if they were they would have better and bigger safety nets for people with disabilities and those who are poor because of no fault of their own

    • @Alsushi.
      @Alsushi. 21 день тому

      There are no Socialists left in the Labour Party they have All been purged ,what you have is the new British Zionist Party.

    • @frankbrennan1619
      @frankbrennan1619 21 день тому +5

      The ''Government'' ALWAYS wins....

    • @timwoodger7896
      @timwoodger7896 21 день тому +3

      @@frankbrennan1619 always no matter what !👍👍

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 21 день тому +3

      "Corporate socialists" is an oxymoron.
      If Farage says it, always double check before repeating.

  • @anthonyrispin9778
    @anthonyrispin9778 21 день тому +11

    More will be spent on economic migrants. Leaving the homeless and the poor in the gutter.

    • @pageboy1974
      @pageboy1974 21 день тому +2

      ​@@belson65 60 years of uniparty rule did that.

    • @anthonyrispin9778
      @anthonyrispin9778 21 день тому +3

      @@belson65 I haven't the time or the crayons to explain things to you.

    • @markwheeler4245
      @markwheeler4245 20 днів тому

      This breaks my heart seeing so many brits struggling while ppl flood in en masse and are given everything it's WRONG

  • @andrewhotston983
    @andrewhotston983 21 день тому +55

    Many Tory MPs would have kept their seats if they'd defected to Reform, a proper conservative party.

    • @GodsOwnPrototype
      @GodsOwnPrototype 21 день тому +5

      & then returned the stand down favour Farage had done with the Brexit party.

    • @barryboom717
      @barryboom717 21 день тому +3

      So you're saying the Reform candidates in those seats were crap? The electorate had the opportunity to vote for a Reform candidate and they didn't get enough to win the seat.

    • @GodsOwnPrototype
      @GodsOwnPrototype 21 день тому +3

      @@barryboom717 & it was very close in several of them; am electoral pact between Conservatives & Reform would have given both parties several more seats.

    • @andrewhotston983
      @andrewhotston983 21 день тому

      @@GodsOwnPrototype Too many closet Libdems amongst Tory MPs. A pact would never have been tolerated.

    • @barryboom717
      @barryboom717 21 день тому +3

      @@GodsOwnPrototype An electoral pact would've meant Reform candidates not standing, if that was the case the votes would likely go to the Lib Dems. If the conservatives stood down then the votes would likely be split between Lib Dem and Reform.
      Reform took all the votes they were ever going to take from the Tories. No Tory candidate doesn't automatically mean the electorate will vote Reform, people who vote Tory but want to punish the party don't necessarily align with Reform's policies.

  • @frankward8336
    @frankward8336 21 день тому +9

    No-one mentioning the success of the pro-Gaza independents.

    • @Monkey-fv2km
      @Monkey-fv2km 21 день тому +4

      It seems insane to me that the conflict in a tiny country in a different continent where the UK has no troops and the outcome has no direct effect (on the UK) is even an electoral issue at all, let alone a notable one.

    • @Ralstro
      @Ralstro 21 день тому

      Hopefully this will be a wake-up call to the entire political class. Blair brought the Islamists in for easy votes but like a man who plants bindweed for the pretty flowers, it has run out of control.
      This is a threat to democracy itself.

    • @helenjarvis7755
      @helenjarvis7755 20 днів тому

      ​@@Monkey-fv2kmthe killing of thousands of children seems to have had quite an effect on millions all around the world
      They are more than numbers on a page
      Our armaments are contributing to that outcome

  • @IMAC1776
    @IMAC1776 21 день тому +8

    Why does the incumbency factor never affect Labour in Wales? They are generally perceived to be doing a terrible job an almost every metric but are never punished for it. Yet the Tories and SNP get hammered.

    • @moltderenou
      @moltderenou 21 день тому +1

      Tribal voting. Same in Spain. “My party (the Socialists) are doing a terrible job but I will keep on voting for them so that the Right doesn’t win”. Eg I would rather starve under socialist rule than go hungry under a conservative rule. Or, my great grandparents, my grandparents, my parents voted Labour so I will as well.

  • @JD83000
    @JD83000 21 день тому +5

    So is the Spectator going to give James Forsyth his job back after leaving to help mastermind the destruction of the Conservative Party?

  • @patricka.crawley6572
    @patricka.crawley6572 21 день тому +22

    40%
    ...19,200,000
    DID NOT VOTE
    LANDSLIDE.

    • @RusselKabirTR
      @RusselKabirTR 21 день тому

      It is a landslide. That 40% said we don't care. They don't care about immigration or anything at all. So that is a landslide. People who care about immigration actually came to vote.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 21 день тому +4

      That's their problem.
      They were presented with the opportunity, just as the rest of us were...
      Well maybe not the postal voters that never received their voting forms in time to return.
      But that's a can of worms for another day.

  • @iansinclair7581
    @iansinclair7581 21 день тому +7

    Labour will tear itself to bits. Starmer does not have the character to hold them together.

    • @LemonScreech
      @LemonScreech 21 день тому +3

      Agreed, but with Khan and Corbyn waiting in the wings I really fear for our country.

    • @stevedavy2878
      @stevedavy2878 21 день тому

      Thank you Mystic Mug

    • @gaycha6589
      @gaycha6589 21 день тому

      We can only hope

  • @manin10
    @manin10 21 день тому +11

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the labour honeymoon is going to last probably a couple of months then we're going to see what's going to happen. But I'm betting in a couple of years, 's, all the problems we have now will still be here and I don't think anything's going to change.
    I heard somebody say a couple of days ago that when it comes to Kier Starmer, some pound store is missing it's manager.😂😂

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 21 день тому +1

      He reminds me of a goat. I can well imagine when he's not in the Commons he's chewing grass in a park somewhere. As much as I dislike Labour ideologically, if they can turn the country around, all power to them. But I'd wager you're totally correct -they will achieve nothing, and their ideologically-charged policies will probably make things worse.

    • @mountainsofmourne
      @mountainsofmourne 21 день тому +2

      @@paulwally9007 David Lammy, Foreign Secretary; Diane Abbott, Mother of the House - examples of ideologically charged policy right at the start.

    • @davidcole8268
      @davidcole8268 21 день тому

      There is a large new cohort of young Labour MPs on the soft left who will waste little time in pressing for tax, borrow and spend.

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 21 день тому

      @@mountainsofmourne Yes. A truly dark day for politics. ; )

    • @julestloid
      @julestloid 20 днів тому

      Is there even a honeymoon? All I've seen is people complaining.

  • @Colin623
    @Colin623 21 день тому +5

    The vote count for Starmer's own constituency was down by 50%, total votes for Labour was hardly any different from the defeat of Corbyn in 2019, yet this time it results in a landslide victory, totally bizarre and unrepresentative system we have !

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders 20 днів тому

      Sounds like woke "maths" 😂.

    • @Colin623
      @Colin623 20 днів тому

      @@Woke_Invaders Clearly you didn't do so well at mathematics in school then 🤦‍♂but then maybe you didn't attend school at all😂😂

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders 19 днів тому

      @@Colin623 I was told they are "racist".

    • @Colin623
      @Colin623 19 днів тому

      @@Woke_Invaders Clearly misinformed, if that were true, how come they had candidates from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds Including Indian, Pakistan, Jewish, Irish, if they were racist they wouldn't of allowed these people to stand, because that is the very definition of being 'Racist'.
      Their biggest financial donor comes from an ethnic family, his parents were from India, he gave a brilliant speech last Sunday saying how passionate he was about Britain being his country, if Nigel was racist as some like to peddle, why would he allow this man to stand in front of 5000 people giving a speech, it just wouldn't of happened if the party was racist as you've been told, actions speak louder than lies !
      All parties have racists in them, Labour have suspended many in recent months, the Greens have had to suspend quite a few recently for antisemitic chants, the difference being is that the corrupt MSM only report it if it involves Nigel Farage, they have a narrative to push out to the young, to make them believe it's true, when the opposite is the truth.
      You remember the scandal of the Channel 4 racist claim, well, interestingly one of those so called racists shouting these things has come forward and signed a declaration stating it was a planned scenario, he has said he was in the car with those other men planning how they would go about staging the video !
      When you add to that the so called candidate was a professional actor, specializing in rough voices, and the very fact he had to travel 80 miles from his home to get to Clacton, should beg the question, why the hell would anyone want to travel that far to deliver leaflets ?
      The evidence is piling up against channel 4, with more to follow, if you listened to the MSM you would think it was actually true, but the truth is coming to light now, that is was a clear set up ! Give the mainstream media a wide birth, especially channel 4 and the BBC, they are far from neutral !

  • @garyteeley9637
    @garyteeley9637 21 день тому +5

    Reform will now cross the T's, create real branches and infrustructure and go strength to strength.
    Reform 2029

  • @FraserBailey-jm5yz
    @FraserBailey-jm5yz 21 день тому +37

    The smug Spectator, which I have read weekly for well over 40 years, has reaped the whirlwind of its total failure to understand the appeal of Reform, which polled at 23% in my constituency.

    • @VaucluseVanguard
      @VaucluseVanguard 21 день тому +1

      Yes, but at 14% nationally, and then among people who will never read let alone subscribe to the Spectator.

  • @royed31
    @royed31 21 день тому +2

    1. The turnout is estimated to be around 60%, making it the lowest turnout since 2001 when it was 59.4%[2].
    2. This is a notable drop from the 67.3% turnout recorded in the 2019 election
    3. If the final figure remains at or below 59.4%, it would mark the lowest participation in a general election since World War
    4. Several constituencies across the UK saw voter turnouts of around 50%, with some even as low as 40%
    5. Experts are describing this as potentially the lowest turnout since 1945, indicating a lack of enthusiasm among voters
    This low turnout is being interpreted as a sign of voter apathy rather than a strong mandate for any particular party, despite Labour's victory in the election.

  • @prideofdurham4776
    @prideofdurham4776 21 день тому +40

    Labour didnt win it , the Tories lost it. Starmer will be replaced after a year and this country becomes a third world one with donkeys and camels in the streets outside mosques.

    • @russellwilliams1163
      @russellwilliams1163 21 день тому

      Woke communism will increase rapidly under Starmer

    • @mountainsofmourne
      @mountainsofmourne 21 день тому

      Makes us wonder how many boat-loads of undocumented men are on their way to Dover today. What will Starmer do that's any better than Sunak's neglect of any defence?

    • @julestloid
      @julestloid 20 днів тому

      I see you voted for Reform. Cheers

  • @realjohn4064
    @realjohn4064 21 день тому +3

    It was a good, even very good result for Reform but reality check Matt, it wasn't great. Tories did better than expected and l don't believe Reform will find more votes from the Tories south England base. Reform will have to find much more fertile ground from abour voters. Btw, Labour had 33% of the popular vote, are they a legitimate government? Discuss.

  • @annegilmour9127
    @annegilmour9127 21 день тому +2

    never seen the Spectator staff look so sad 🤣

  • @sadie376
    @sadie376 21 день тому +47

    Starmer wasn't up to the job of leading the opposition, he certainly isn't up to the job of being PM.
    The system is rotten to the core.

    • @henry6451
      @henry6451 21 день тому +2

      Compared to the alternative it is a simple choice.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 21 день тому +2

      So you're crying because you lost?
      This was coming from the moment the Tories decided Johnson should lead, many of them knew it too but they decided winning one more time was worth it.

    • @beecat9951
      @beecat9951 21 день тому +1

      ​@@pauln6803we all lost

    • @sadie376
      @sadie376 21 день тому +1

      ​@pauln6803 No. I'm not crying at all.
      None of these parties represent our interests. The system is irreparably broken & the WEF-supporting scum are in charge, again... They just happen to be wearing red ties instead of blue ones.
      We all lost I'm afraid.

    • @stevedavy2878
      @stevedavy2878 21 день тому

      Nice to see you were happy with a procession of useless corrupt muppets running the country, but as soon as someone on the left gets into power, they are judged before they get through the door,

  • @Steve-ys1ig
    @Steve-ys1ig 21 день тому +2

    Labour and the Conservatives will definitely never change to PR because it suits them.

  • @commonwunder
    @commonwunder 21 день тому +1

    Population of the UK ( including children ) Sixty-six million.
    ( Adults around forty million )
    Labour voting turnout yesterday : nine million people.
    *Jeremy Corbyn turnout 2017 : twelve million, eight hundred thousand.

  • @stunews2903
    @stunews2903 21 день тому +3

    For Scots, England will be a much more favourable place to live in the coming years, as the wretched SNP in Scotland control too many devolved issues of which they are clueless upon.
    17 years of mismanagement, they deserve to lose in 2026.

  • @tictoc5443
    @tictoc5443 21 день тому +2

    5 years of levelling down to come?

  • @jandavies4400
    @jandavies4400 21 день тому +2

    Labour have to take responsibility now can’t blame the conservatives responsibility lies at Kierst Starmer’s door

  • @michaelfarrow3914
    @michaelfarrow3914 21 день тому +2

    Thanks for a really good early analysis

  • @kathrynbarbara967
    @kathrynbarbara967 21 день тому +2

    “Reformative” has a ring to it…in the course of time that is.

  • @henry6451
    @henry6451 21 день тому +2

    Wide and shallow is very like Johnson. Johnson was incompetent and corrupt so it mattered.
    If lab can be competent and honorable they will be fine.

  • @andrewwrench1959
    @andrewwrench1959 21 день тому +1

    Laughing at Fraser Nelson and his po-faced pomposity about the Tory losses in the Thames Valley and wider South East. Lib Dems won Maidenhead where Reform didn't stand a candidate. Henley LD out polled Conservative and Reform combined, Chichester LD obliterated the combination by 20%. In all these seats Labour and Green still managed 10% between them so it wasn't perfect tactical voting either. If Mr Nelson had done his homework and looked at the results rather than jumping to conclusions on snapshots he might have reached a different end point.

  • @rjiylm
    @rjiylm 21 день тому +1

    When is James Forsyth back on the channel ? Looking forward to his insights.

  • @richardyates7280
    @richardyates7280 21 день тому +2

    This is not an enthusiastic endorsement of Labour. Reform gained. A large proportion of Conservatives stayed at home.

    • @buzz1867
      @buzz1867 21 день тому +1

      How do you know that? A large proportion of traditional labour voters could also have stayed home and not voted!

  • @julapornnamwong8098
    @julapornnamwong8098 20 днів тому +1

    Labour so awesome ❤

  • @englishbob9492
    @englishbob9492 21 день тому +2

    If it was an Islamist promoting Gaza or intimidating other candidates can you just say so please? Just calling them “independents” is confusing the issue.

  • @julianshepherd2038
    @julianshepherd2038 21 день тому +2

    Aldershot! 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @martingodden613
    @martingodden613 21 день тому +1

    first past the post is totally undemocratic but the powers that really control it all will never allow it to be changed

  • @geordiecanuck2696
    @geordiecanuck2696 20 днів тому +1

    Posh accents. The North has spoken. We will not be ignored anymore. Number 10 best not concentrate on London and the Southeast anymore.

  • @christopherchessum7439
    @christopherchessum7439 19 днів тому

    Fraser Nelson overplays the impact of Reform. Many people who had previously voted Tory have now voted for the Lib-Dems too.

  • @Camille_Anderson
    @Camille_Anderson 21 день тому

    Now watch Traynor & Phillips fight for the top job in 6 months.

  • @190CDZResponse
    @190CDZResponse 20 днів тому

    I can't believe it's 4 years of Starmer's face 😖

  • @ritchiemx7391
    @ritchiemx7391 19 днів тому

    “Labour’s result was worse than in 2017”??? He may not have heard who is now PM.

  • @kensears5099
    @kensears5099 19 днів тому

    Proportional representation is an utterly unworkable and, indeed, undemocratic idea. It destroys all notion of local constituency and turns the entire nation into a single constituency beholden to bureaucratic number-crunching appointers of parliamentary appointees. A particular constituency gave a Labour candidate the majority, but that's one Labour candidate too many for the "proportional representation"? Sorry, constituency, you can't have the person you voted for. You get the Conservative, or Lib Dem, or Reform face that gets the proportional calculus right. So, really, proportional representation means the death of local politics, the abolition of constituencies.

  • @RichardEnglander
    @RichardEnglander 21 день тому +5

    Labour 9.6 million votes
    ReformUK 4 million votes
    The system needs to change

  • @Wobstiger
    @Wobstiger 17 днів тому

    I’m not surprised at all for the snp result

  • @nickgood8166
    @nickgood8166 21 день тому +3

    Jeremy Hunt is a likely Tory leader. This will be a coup de grâce for the Tory party.

    • @iliyakuryakin4671
      @iliyakuryakin4671 21 день тому +2

      No way, too closely associated with Rishi.

    • @nottmfunguy
      @nottmfunguy 21 день тому

      No not him, no one wants him as Tory leader. We need to see some difference. Braverman will be the best choice, she would upset Starmer, I hope!

    • @davidcole8268
      @davidcole8268 21 день тому

      @@nickgood8166 I'm sorry Nick but the Conservatives need someone with real political skills, not arsonists - something that has eluded them since Cameron.

  • @sudenims5235
    @sudenims5235 21 день тому

    I am not to the right of the conservative party and I find it offensive that you’ve said this. I just could not bring myself to vote for a person who doesn’t know what a woman is or a person/party that barely did any of the promises. Particularly immigration. I’m thinking of my grandchildren.

  • @chukwumaeneh7974
    @chukwumaeneh7974 20 днів тому +1

    Losers always give reasons labor won, congratulate them and move on.

  • @baumulrich
    @baumulrich 21 день тому +1

    what will be interesting is in a year or two what happens when in some seats those thin majorities crumble, and individual mps worry about their seat. they will face the same back bench revolutions as the tories have

    • @davidcole8268
      @davidcole8268 21 день тому

      @@baumulrich with so many young new faces, there are not many by-elections likely to test this out.

    • @baumulrich
      @baumulrich 20 днів тому

      @@davidcole8268 no no, I don't mean by elections. I mean approval ratings tanking and suddenly inexperienced MPs feeling the pressure, trying to save their own skin. happens more than you think

  • @SomnathMazumder370
    @SomnathMazumder370 21 день тому +1

    And Jeremy Corbyn...in case you'll choose to ignore...(with Sir Kier, Netanyahu can heave a sigh of relief) And Rishi and Jeremy are back, probably used as independent consultants with Ed Balls, in case Sir Kier runs into rough ground with the BOE...🙃🙃🙃

  • @advocate1563
    @advocate1563 21 день тому +10

    PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION NOW. This vote does not represent the will of the British people. Wrll done Ref9lorm - on to 2029. Let's buold it from the bottom up. All races, all colours who care passoonately about their country. Flag, comminity, family.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 21 день тому

      Hi Ivan, nice to see you haven't been sent to the front yet.
      But you know what my authoritarian adoring little AI bot, FPTP is indeed an outdated system.
      Yet there wasn't much call for change when Farage had his sweetheart deal with the Tories to get them in power - TWICE!
      Yep, UKIP did something similar to help the Tories.
      Previously the Tories scored an eighty seat majority on 40% of the vote and a poor turn out.

    • @atagora3304
      @atagora3304 21 день тому

      Here here🙏🏽🤍🇬🇧

    • @willrossetti2360
      @willrossetti2360 21 день тому +2

      Under PR we would now have a Labour, Lib Dem and Green coalition with the greens having disproportionate negotiating power as kingmakers and getting their policies in - that very few people voted for - as part of the negotiations. Would you prefer that?

    • @JustMeHere359
      @JustMeHere359 20 днів тому

      @@willrossetti2360 Eh?? Labour got the most total votes. Conservatives second and Reform third.

    • @willrossetti2360
      @willrossetti2360 20 днів тому +1

      @@JustMeHere359 Under PR, generally you need to form a coalition which can have a governing majority. The single largest party (Labour) normally gets to form that coalition. Labour is not going to go into coalition with the conservatives or reform - it would do a deal with the Lib Dems and would also need the greens to get a majority looking at the vote share. Knowing that Labour need them to get a governing majority the Greens would bargain hard even though they had few votes - as the DUP did when Teresa May needed them. This is what happens in other countries that have PR. So yes, reform would have more seats under PR but in this election the actual government would be significantly more left wing than the Labour Party which has just won.

  • @Anon-mk4ms
    @Anon-mk4ms 20 днів тому

    Can someone please get the guy sitting on the right a microphone that doesn't make him sound like he's drowning in mud.

  • @lulasnannajodie7723
    @lulasnannajodie7723 21 день тому +1

    two sides - same coin - wake up people

  • @georgesdelatour
    @georgesdelatour 21 день тому +2

    Starmer will change the Constitution.

  • @davidcole8268
    @davidcole8268 21 день тому

    When is James Forsyth returning to the Speccie now his mate Rishi is toast?

  • @user-lh9ei6he1h
    @user-lh9ei6he1h 21 день тому

    Why didn't reform mention any of this before? And would you be interested if you had won? Tell you what I'll tell Starmer to hand the keys over to Nigel and don't forget to apologize you naughty boy.

  • @Hellyers
    @Hellyers 21 день тому

    I like FPTP. It's the best way to run a constituency based parliamentary system. The national "vote share" talking point is entirely irrelevant under a constituency based system as each vote is limited to its locality. Vote share is only talked about by media outlets who have to justify wall-to-wall coverage of elections and its an easy talking point.
    Constituencies are the best way to hold individuals to account... look at Truss, Morgan, Maudant et al, under a PR system they'd still be in safe seats, as it is they're out.

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders 20 днів тому

      Sounds like feudalistic nonsense, millions of votes become almost worthless.

  • @lorettatocci3227
    @lorettatocci3227 21 день тому

    OMG how can you predict the Tories coming back in 5 years?? They just got beat bad.

  • @paulball1767
    @paulball1767 20 днів тому +1

    Thank fuck for that. Rejoin eu now ffs

  • @joejohnson1969
    @joejohnson1969 21 день тому

    We all need the change and are happy-go-lucky with results hopefully its best for our country ❤

  • @billturner6564
    @billturner6564 21 день тому +1

    I am sure the Conservatives will conclude they lost because they were too far right😅😅😅😅😅

  • @StevieSpiers-ru3mf
    @StevieSpiers-ru3mf 21 день тому

    Rivers of tears pouring from the Spectator offices, their beloved Tories humiliated.

  • @petergregory8864
    @petergregory8864 21 день тому +5

    I am so looking forward to Nigel Farage's first speech in Parliament, it will be memorable to be sure.

    • @jarthur5094
      @jarthur5094 20 днів тому

      Isn’t he a hitler acolyte

  • @andrewwhite3793
    @andrewwhite3793 20 днів тому

    Yet if the Tories had won Fraser would have said what's your problem. Yep FPTP is crap if you lose but not if you win.

  • @edsr164
    @edsr164 20 днів тому

    Tell me: were there many Portillo moments? Did Rishi Sunak loose his seat?

  • @rasat4829
    @rasat4829 21 день тому

    Yeah, they put in a male lettuce! Hahahaha!

  • @JulieTasker
    @JulieTasker 21 день тому

    The uk political system is outdated.
    The people have the power and are starting to realise that. Many are voicing and standing up to gain our power to develop properly strong communities with Education for life rather than overly emphasising academics and Education and healthcare importantly including Complementary Therapies in each local community.

  • @aaronsmyth7943
    @aaronsmyth7943 21 день тому

    Smacked bottom.

  • @misst.e.a.187
    @misst.e.a.187 21 день тому +1

    Gonna make no difference.

    • @stumccabe
      @stumccabe 21 день тому

      I disagree. Labour will likely recognise Palestine, make "Islamophobia" illegal thereby effectively introducing a blasphemy law, support and promote gender identity ideology, crack down on freedom of speech, and make technical/constitutional changes as Blair did with the invention of the Supreme Court to undermine the sovereignty of the House of Commons - more quangos composed of leftists appointed by Labour making undemocratic decisions....

  • @philipmilner9638
    @philipmilner9638 21 день тому

    Every body is blaming Reform for the tories defeat, but if Reform hadn't existed, those voters may have just stayed home anyway...

  • @pistonburner6448
    @pistonburner6448 21 день тому

    There is something very wrong with the audio. You have some sort of massive compression or badly set up digital compensation or just horrible software in use. Levels also all set up horribly or are such as a consequence of the former.
    Terrible to listen to that speech with muddy lows and crashing, hissing highs.

  • @martinsigley3957
    @martinsigley3957 21 день тому +1

    Did not vote? Get all you deserve.

    • @Woke_Invaders
      @Woke_Invaders 20 днів тому

      Voted Reform? The system says: fu*.

  • @troiscarottes
    @troiscarottes 21 день тому

    Yuck !

  • @martimcvey5506
    @martimcvey5506 21 день тому

    No mistake the headline is the reckoning named like the jimmy saville documentary

  • @rjdcarroll
    @rjdcarroll 21 день тому +1

    Cope

  • @AnonymousBosch
    @AnonymousBosch 21 день тому +8

    The U.K. has just moved from a socialist lite to a socialist government, and the Tories got exactly what they deserve.
    If Reform want to be taken seriously, then they need to get to work; five years is a very short time when you have to select, vet and train candidates.
    Me, I’ll quietly move what little I have beyond the grasp of the government and hunker down. Good luck Britain.

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 21 день тому

      Imagine The Garden of Earthly Delights where all the characters have been repainted with the faces of Labour politicians. Coins popping out the bottom of David Lammy into a pond as Starmer and Rayner look up gleefully.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 21 день тому +1

      You should read up on socioeconomic theory before posting such ludicrous comments!
      I could only wish for a "socialist lite" government.
      Certainly not true socialism, more radical (by British standards) social democracy with a dash of socialist policies.
      A properly nationalised (and functional) NHS and utilities would be nice.

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 21 день тому

      @@pauln6803 You should research medieval art before responding to someone who has presented no political views in a comment.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 21 день тому

      @@paulwally9007
      Socialism: an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.
      I failed to catch the mass rationalising of the utilities, steel, telecommunications and rail.
      Perhaps you can point me to a source that reported on this occurring, eh princess?

    • @paulwally9007
      @paulwally9007 21 день тому

      @@pauln6803 Did you actually read my post? Or are you just typing to random people hoping that someone will respond? Oh, for the record I lived in a Socialist country for thirteen years and Russia for a year. Ask a Russian about Socialism if you want to learn something beyond a text book.

  • @geoffreynhill2833
    @geoffreynhill2833 21 день тому

    ...and Statistics! 🤔("Green Fire" UK ) 🌈🦉

  • @philipellis4530
    @philipellis4530 21 день тому

    What a shame, Sunackers won't be able to hug Zelensky any more, the person we all know as a warmonger, one of the other reasons why Rishi regularly popped over to Ukraine was he felt good as he was taller.

  • @annbottelli5682
    @annbottelli5682 20 днів тому

    How anyone could have voted for Farage is beyond me!!!

  • @saragonmcenany6229
    @saragonmcenany6229 20 днів тому

    Is note vote share its seat share that counts.

  • @christopherbrookfield4785
    @christopherbrookfield4785 21 день тому

    Bring back the loonies!
    Oh no.
    They are all loonies.
    Set the controls for the heart of the ocean.
    I am going to live in the sea, like Ringo sang in The Beatles.
    ❤🎉😊

  • @andrewhead6267
    @andrewhead6267 21 день тому

    If the Tories improve their vote at next election, that helps Labour as Reform is second to Labour in 98 seats. A mirror view of the split vote.

  • @baumulrich
    @baumulrich 21 день тому

    it's empowering for the country to see labour just getting their usual suspects to vote for them. Sadly there just are 9 million socialists who are incapable of acknowledging reason and facts, so they will vote for labour no matter what. However the largest "voting" block is the non voters - people disillusioned by the current parties. I really think given the impending wokism labour will impose, and the ever worsening illegal immigration issue, that reform will win the next election out right.

  • @peteresher4580
    @peteresher4580 21 день тому

    Excellent analysis from the Spectator as usual. Best read if the week.

  • @freeline3601
    @freeline3601 21 день тому

    The shift towards stakeholder capitalism continues, and Starmer will turbocharge the WEF agenda.

  • @richardyates7280
    @richardyates7280 21 день тому

    "Independent"?

  • @julianshepherd2038
    @julianshepherd2038 21 день тому +4

    You better invent something to charge Sturgeon with or she will be back.

    • @simonjones2240
      @simonjones2240 21 день тому +1

      Why would something need inventing?
      It just needs the police to do their job and try he procurator fiscal not to bf a member of the government!

    • @pauls3204
      @pauls3204 21 день тому

      @@simonjones2240she clearly had nothing to answer for except allowing that worthless Humza to be an msp never mind allowing him to stand as FM
      Her ex man is the one who needs investigated

  • @pads-zr9ln
    @pads-zr9ln 21 день тому

    Fraser is such a wet, he should be happy in the lib dems did so well

  • @Differentbias
    @Differentbias 21 день тому +5

    Kier managed to win this landslide victory. 🎉🎉
    Can he clear the mess made by Tories? We all doubt it!

    • @divad2332
      @divad2332 21 день тому

      Do you all misspell his name?

    • @shelleyscloud3651
      @shelleyscloud3651 21 день тому

      38% of the vote. Looks like around 50% turn out. Let’s not pretend 19% of the total electorate is a ringing endorsement for whatever it is they intend by ‘change’

    • @scotlandtheinsane3359
      @scotlandtheinsane3359 21 день тому

      A landslide victory with 34% of the vote 😂😂😂😂 Things are about to get even WORSE.

    • @user-dv1nz2dj7l
      @user-dv1nz2dj7l 21 день тому

      @@divad2332 I've also noticed that, isn't it spelt K-N-E-E-L?

  • @LemonScreech
    @LemonScreech 21 день тому +3

    The Tory’s deserved that result. Labour didn’t. We are in for a tough few years now.

  • @seakayak4425
    @seakayak4425 21 день тому

    Dooomed I say

  • @sandrabrowne2350
    @sandrabrowne2350 20 днів тому

    From all the commentary of right one glaring omission ie "One Nation Toryism" gone for good over 🇪🇺 and Brexit never to be reconciled ever Labour stayed clear of the issue in spite of some center ground will not be Conservative/Reform but everyone else this is the new paradigm and future electoral results unless One nation Tories leave the party and follow its logical conclusion ?.Leave comments no censorship!!!

  • @rODIUMuk
    @rODIUMuk 21 день тому

    Is James trans ?