Supporting 11 year old hardware seems like a nonsense to me. Its clear it holds back what could be done if they didnt have to take gen8 into account and the wasted dev effort to make them work could be better spent. This could also have a knock-on effect on minimum PC specs as well if theyre having issues squeezing everything into 8GB of console RAM, thats listed as min spec for PCs currently and consoles tend to be more efficient with RAM as theyre more focused. I'm still a bit salty that try as I might I can't get TSW5 running on my ZX81 😂
Good luck running it in 8gb. You might manage one or two DLC loaded in that. I guess a difference between PC and console is PC will swap to disk. Technically means it can use less ram. Practically if that were to happen to you prepare for a nightmare. I notice the recommended is 16. Even that to my mind is low. I think those specs are for the base game, not the game with a collection of DLC.
Everyone who plays TSW should be on Gen 9 or PC by now or they're missing out big time. I think DTG are finally starting to realize that Gen 8 is holding the game back and this is by far the biggest example of it. We know now that the upcoming TSW 5 gameplay pack wont even release for Gen 8 so I think they're about ready to cut support off entirely which will provide great benefits to the game in the long run and less time can be spent optimizing for these old machines. I predict TSW 5 will be the last game in the series to release for Gen 8.
@@mikey9835 I do tend to agree, to get the best out of the game we need to cut off the older series of console and possibly lift the minimum PC specs too. I do have a heart for those on Gen8 who can't move due to their circumstances as they'll be left behind. I had not heard anywhere that the game play pack will not be for Gen8. Do you have a reference for that?
No one would expect to run modern games on a 12 year old PC, so I think its unrealistic to expect any different from a Gen 8 console. Its a shame, but its just a fact.
Evening brother, they missed the creativity of a year later with the 150s, the only good thing is the yellow vestibules between the mk3s coaches and a tap changer to boot
@@userSchlonsch in some ways I see your point, that choice would have people miss out, at least this way they can make an informed choice if they want to join in or not. Possibly some people would be happy with the reduced time table, someone coming over from TSC for example when they're usually the only train would likely still appreciate it
@@henrykeats it's about the time table not the locomotives, they're putting in a smaller timetable using only the feature locomotive and coach set to minimise memory usage. You could still run the 47 in free roam in the timetable.
As someone who still actively plays on gen 8 (Xbox one) I'm disappointed but I understand why. I will (hopefully) be getting gen 9 (Xbox series s/x) within the next few months
@@UKTAG2 that's a great attitude to the disappointment you must feel, I hope you do manage to get an upgrade, I've experienced both S and X. If you're going to run at HD (1080p) then S is fine, if you want to run at higher res the X is the way to go.
I'm most likely going with the S. It's overall cheaper and I'm not a full on gamer so I don't need all the huge specs. The S is just better for me as it's the more affordable out of the 2
I might suggest adding what you've said before about the Xbox S basically not quite being a gen 9 and how it's holding the X back. If people upgrade, I'd say go straight to the X.
@trainsimulatordriver I get what you mean, but I guess if one is upgrading, I'd want to know the limitations (which aren't obvious in the specific way it will be with TSW5) and future proof myself for at least a few years.
in my opinion they are entirely within their right to stop supporting gen 8, it's over a decade old now and is very clearly limiting the scope of their routes. yes it's a shame but the world has moved on a fair bit since the ps4/xbox one
Oh dear! Im gen 8 and im missing out on so much! Would an xbox series S 1TB version work well and be a reasonable upgrade from an xbox one S? Because its cheaper then the series X but it might run TSW5 a lot better
Hi Elijah, yes it looks that this is going to be the case going forwards. I ran the game on an S at 1080p and it ran quite well. It struggles a bit on huge stations like Frankfurt but most of the time its great. Crashes were infrequent providing you manage how many DLC you have installed. I keep it at a maximum of 10 and it runs really well. This is usually enough for a route plus layers to keep it interesting. The only reason I went up to X is because I stream at 2K 1440p and the S could not do that. The X I run at full 4K and downsize it on the PC to 2K. I bought my S second hand so you could go down that path - be careful its not stolen if you do that because MS lock them.
@trainsimulatordriver ah ok! Im not that fussed about screen recordings but i might upgrade to X later, but yes i will probably get second hand and i already have more then 10 DLCs like 14 or Something but i have heard from other people it can cope way better and if thats the case and it works silky smooth comlared to my xbox one which im sure it will, then im good! And it will make WCML and WCML over shap waaaaay better and add so much variety
@@ElijahsTransport sounds like a good plan, when you do get your X you don't need to buy anything again, it can take a little while for MS to figure out your DLC are yours :). If it takes more than a day get onto support. I'll be interested to know what you think of it when you get it.
@@trainsimulatordriver yeah currently on my xbox one, TSW5 is taking ages to load the menu and DLCs and i think my console is struggling and i should not get anymore right now. But some work better then others like, glossop line, suffragette line, blackpool branches, birmingham CCL, some tsw2 routes and voralberg work better then some other newer DLC. I find at the moment tsw2 routes work very well on TSW5, and so do TSW3 and some TSW4 routes but sadly i agree, it just cant cope with most new stuff!
@@welshrails I visited Wales when I was in that UK including Tallylyn, Ffestiniog, and WHR. I travelled everywhere by rail and the occasional bus. Loved Wales. The people were so hospitable and the countryside beautiful. I even had one bloke in a broken down old Landy see my walking with my bag along the road and give me a lift into town. He had nearly nothing but was still generous to someone else without being asked. He didn't say no to a thankyou pint in town.
@trainsimulatordriver sounds like you enjoyed it then haha, lucky you went to where you went. Up and south are worse in that regard, I should know. Do intent on visiting those railways they sound fantastic. One day
@welshrails I did see a lack of work, in Tywyn for example if you're not employed by the railway or one of the food shops or a farm then you've exhausted your options unless you're able to commute someplace else for work. I see the same here though, the people in the little towns that physically have the least often have better lives because they've got community in each other sharing the same issues. They're often nicer and more resourceful and more resilient than the people in a city who don't have that local community support.
Ive been on ps5 for a couple of years now and i agree people on gen 8 will have to find the means to upgrade in the near future. I also don't think it's fair then for them to charge gen 8 players the full price when there not even getting 50% of what everyone else is.
The price one is interesting. I don't know if its possible to charge different prices for different generations. I know the MS forbid it between X and S but I don't know if they do the same Gen 8 to Gen 9.
I know people will not like this... . But im sick of people bleating about how things don't work properly on Gen 8. It's old. it's done. Get over it. Gen 9 xbox was released almost 4 years (almost to the day). ago if you hadn't managed to save up and by a gen 9 by now. Well, im sorry, but thats you're probably. Took me 3 years myself, but i finally got one last year. . .
@@animaltvi9515 it's great that you managed to upgrade, for some people is the choice between food, heat and housing. They're going to stick with what they've got.
@trainsimulatordriver if they are that hard up. Then they shouldn't really be wasting precious money on consoles and game. . I've been at that low level myself so I know what it's like. .
@animaltvi9515 yes and no, I've been there too and I'm happy to say today I'm not, but it could easily come again. When you're down playing a game can be the thing your mind needs to let go of the days troubles for a while. Do you need the latest? No but not being able to get something we've hyped up in your mind would make us pretty sad and possibly angry.
I have no console and have no clue how old the 8 is, but have to say: better throw it away, then to reduce all stuff for all others only to bring it to run on the low/slow/old systems. At the end its same with games generally, if someone want MSFS then a 10year old PC, with Vista or older , and craphic card will not help either to run the game properly or bring it to start. Weve seen it with Kinzigtalbahn: nice done route, but overall most/all console players cries about bad performance When people buy consoles because they are cheaper than a gaming pc, but cries at modern games that they will not work any longer --- then they should invest one time into a newer console that still is cheaper than a modern gaming pc.
The gen 8 is 11 to 12 years old depending on XBox One or PS4. Keeping your hardware up to date is very important. I doubt many people run on a 10 year old computer, you'd be lucky it still worked!
@@sinfulrailwonderer383 my personal expectation is there will be some but probably not a lot, there's not going to be a lot in that time scale except at the terminus stations anyway in reality. WCML is busy as train lines go but nothing compared to BML. There's nothing been announced so you might want to wait and see when it comes out. I'll ask via the ambassador channel and see if there's an answer for you. *This expectation turned out to be wrong, confirmed with JT there's no other traffic only the 87s for Gen8.
@@ianmalcolm7782 I'm not sure it's that simple, the same performance you get from a gen9 console on PC unless you know how to build one yourself from used parts is going to cost you roughly twice as much
@trainsimulatordriver I get it does come down to budget and it is good that you can play this on console but in reality if you're serious about simulation the PC is where it's at. The game is limited enough as it is to include consoles but this timetable issue just highlights the limitations further. Not great really if you're expected to pay the prices the DLC are for less functionality and options.
While reduction for gen 8 is necessary, it is recognised that for those players who cannot move its not a great outcome. It is reality though, if you thought about the console as a one liter bottle and you had 2 liters of water to put in it then its simply not going to fit. The game is like that. The answer? Something has to give, you either get less water or you get a bigger bottle.
@@trainsimulatordriver I just cannot fathom that the ps4 can run games as CPU intensive as cities skylines or war thunder or RDR2 and be perfectly fine with a high framerate despite their sheer size and processing required, apparently 8gb of ram works fine there. yet a map that's about 4gb in total download size cannot run at all. This just screams optimisation issue rather than software issue. Furthermore I can't upgrade to 9th gen when I can barely afford to pay for college n home. This is why I'm also so extremely critical of their price hikes for the routes themselves because its legit insane for it to cost as much as a AAA title PER ROUTE. Like good god I just want to enjoy something in this miserable life and all of it is constantly taken how do you expect me to feel about it?
I hate to say this but it’s time that Gen8 is retired, I know not everyone is able to get a Gen9 console but it is what it is.
Indeed, when I decided to move from PS to Xbox I found a cheap second hand XBox/S which did me pretty well until I saved up for the X.
personally i think its gen 8s time to be put to rest
While I feel for the people who have no means to change, yes it's time
Supporting 11 year old hardware seems like a nonsense to me. Its clear it holds back what could be done if they didnt have to take gen8 into account and the wasted dev effort to make them work could be better spent. This could also have a knock-on effect on minimum PC specs as well if theyre having issues squeezing everything into 8GB of console RAM, thats listed as min spec for PCs currently and consoles tend to be more efficient with RAM as theyre more focused. I'm still a bit salty that try as I might I can't get TSW5 running on my ZX81 😂
Good luck running it in 8gb. You might manage one or two DLC loaded in that. I guess a difference between PC and console is PC will swap to disk. Technically means it can use less ram. Practically if that were to happen to you prepare for a nightmare. I notice the recommended is 16. Even that to my mind is low. I think those specs are for the base game, not the game with a collection of DLC.
Everyone who plays TSW should be on Gen 9 or PC by now or they're missing out big time. I think DTG are finally starting to realize that Gen 8 is holding the game back and this is by far the biggest example of it.
We know now that the upcoming TSW 5 gameplay pack wont even release for Gen 8 so I think they're about ready to cut support off entirely which will provide great benefits to the game in the long run and less time can be spent optimizing for these old machines.
I predict TSW 5 will be the last game in the series to release for Gen 8.
@@mikey9835 I do tend to agree, to get the best out of the game we need to cut off the older series of console and possibly lift the minimum PC specs too.
I do have a heart for those on Gen8 who can't move due to their circumstances as they'll be left behind.
I had not heard anywhere that the game play pack will not be for Gen8. Do you have a reference for that?
@trainsimulatordriver Yes it's on the November roadmap
@@mikey9835 cool, thank you - I guess I did not read it well enough when I made my roadmap video - I will go check it out.
No one would expect to run modern games on a 12 year old PC, so I think its unrealistic to expect any different from a Gen 8 console. Its a shame, but its just a fact.
@@RailwayManUK indeed yes, it is just life, progress I think we call it
I also heard them explain the reasons why, and that they tried to make it work, but the hardware is too limiting. So no crying.
That's it exactly
Evening brother, they missed the creativity of a year later with the 150s, the only good thing is the yellow vestibules between the mk3s coaches and a tap changer to boot
@@josephbland1999 remembering from the dev blog they picked this year specifically to maximise freight services
They should not release the route for Gen 8 at all if they can not deliver anything close to the full product. ESPECIALLY at the increased price
@@userSchlonsch in some ways I see your point, that choice would have people miss out, at least this way they can make an informed choice if they want to join in or not. Possibly some people would be happy with the reduced time table, someone coming over from TSC for example when they're usually the only train would likely still appreciate it
So you cant use the other locos like the scotrail 47 that comes with the route, but can use them on other routes like NTP N so..
@@henrykeats it's about the time table not the locomotives, they're putting in a smaller timetable using only the feature locomotive and coach set to minimise memory usage. You could still run the 47 in free roam in the timetable.
As someone who still actively plays on gen 8 (Xbox one) I'm disappointed but I understand why. I will (hopefully) be getting gen 9 (Xbox series s/x) within the next few months
@@UKTAG2 that's a great attitude to the disappointment you must feel, I hope you do manage to get an upgrade, I've experienced both S and X. If you're going to run at HD (1080p) then S is fine, if you want to run at higher res the X is the way to go.
I'm most likely going with the S. It's overall cheaper and I'm not a full on gamer so I don't need all the huge specs. The S is just better for me as it's the more affordable out of the 2
I might suggest adding what you've said before about the Xbox S basically not quite being a gen 9 and how it's holding the X back. If people upgrade, I'd say go straight to the X.
If you've got the means sure, but if you don't S is a good intermediate step that's more affordable
@trainsimulatordriver I get what you mean, but I guess if one is upgrading, I'd want to know the limitations (which aren't obvious in the specific way it will be with TSW5) and future proof myself for at least a few years.
@@psych-ryry if you want to maximise that I would go for the X if you can
what is going to turn the passenger cars around at the end.
AI 08 pilot shunters on terminating services I guess
in my opinion they are entirely within their right to stop supporting gen 8, it's over a decade old now and is very clearly limiting the scope of their routes. yes it's a shame but the world has moved on a fair bit since the ps4/xbox one
@@QuartziteTransport indeed technology changes, I do feel for people who can't afford an upgrade but it's reality
Oh dear! Im gen 8 and im missing out on so much! Would an xbox series S 1TB version work well and be a reasonable upgrade from an xbox one S? Because its cheaper then the series X but it might run TSW5 a lot better
Hi Elijah, yes it looks that this is going to be the case going forwards. I ran the game on an S at 1080p and it ran quite well. It struggles a bit on huge stations like Frankfurt but most of the time its great. Crashes were infrequent providing you manage how many DLC you have installed. I keep it at a maximum of 10 and it runs really well. This is usually enough for a route plus layers to keep it interesting. The only reason I went up to X is because I stream at 2K 1440p and the S could not do that. The X I run at full 4K and downsize it on the PC to 2K. I bought my S second hand so you could go down that path - be careful its not stolen if you do that because MS lock them.
@trainsimulatordriver ah ok! Im not that fussed about screen recordings but i might upgrade to X later, but yes i will probably get second hand and i already have more then 10 DLCs like 14 or Something but i have heard from other people it can cope way better and if thats the case and it works silky smooth comlared to my xbox one which im sure it will, then im good! And it will make WCML and WCML over shap waaaaay better and add so much variety
@@ElijahsTransport sounds like a good plan, when you do get your X you don't need to buy anything again, it can take a little while for MS to figure out your DLC are yours :). If it takes more than a day get onto support. I'll be interested to know what you think of it when you get it.
@@trainsimulatordriver yeah currently on my xbox one, TSW5 is taking ages to load the menu and DLCs and i think my console is struggling and i should not get anymore right now. But some work better then others like, glossop line, suffragette line, blackpool branches, birmingham CCL, some tsw2 routes and voralberg work better then some other newer DLC. I find at the moment tsw2 routes work very well on TSW5, and so do TSW3 and some TSW4 routes but sadly i agree, it just cant cope with most new stuff!
@ElijahsTransport hopefully your wish comes true then
I have a ps2 and it runs tsw 5 perfect and on my windows XP mac PC, so what's the issue ?
@@Grumpy_Englishman lol I love that you're such a clown 🤣
@trainsimulatordriver honk honk
Unfortunate news certainly but until I get money I'll deal with it I suppose ay. Nothing else to be done
@@welshrails I feel for you mate, hopefully you can find the means to upgrade the console
@trainsimulatordriver 🤞
@@welshrails I visited Wales when I was in that UK including Tallylyn, Ffestiniog, and WHR. I travelled everywhere by rail and the occasional bus. Loved Wales. The people were so hospitable and the countryside beautiful. I even had one bloke in a broken down old Landy see my walking with my bag along the road and give me a lift into town. He had nearly nothing but was still generous to someone else without being asked. He didn't say no to a thankyou pint in town.
@trainsimulatordriver sounds like you enjoyed it then haha, lucky you went to where you went. Up and south are worse in that regard, I should know. Do intent on visiting those railways they sound fantastic. One day
@welshrails I did see a lack of work, in Tywyn for example if you're not employed by the railway or one of the food shops or a farm then you've exhausted your options unless you're able to commute someplace else for work. I see the same here though, the people in the little towns that physically have the least often have better lives because they've got community in each other sharing the same issues. They're often nicer and more resourceful and more resilient than the people in a city who don't have that local community support.
Ive been on ps5 for a couple of years now and i agree people on gen 8 will have to find the means to upgrade in the near future. I also don't think it's fair then for them to charge gen 8 players the full price when there not even getting 50% of what everyone else is.
The price one is interesting. I don't know if its possible to charge different prices for different generations. I know the MS forbid it between X and S but I don't know if they do the same Gen 8 to Gen 9.
I know people will not like this... . But im sick of people bleating about how things don't work properly on Gen 8. It's old. it's done. Get over it. Gen 9 xbox was released almost 4 years (almost to the day). ago if you hadn't managed to save up and by a gen 9 by now. Well, im sorry, but thats you're probably. Took me 3 years myself, but i finally got one last year. . .
@@animaltvi9515 it's great that you managed to upgrade, for some people is the choice between food, heat and housing. They're going to stick with what they've got.
@trainsimulatordriver if they are that hard up. Then they shouldn't really be wasting precious money on consoles and game. . I've been at that low level myself so I know what it's like. .
@animaltvi9515 yes and no, I've been there too and I'm happy to say today I'm not, but it could easily come again. When you're down playing a game can be the thing your mind needs to let go of the days troubles for a while. Do you need the latest? No but not being able to get something we've hyped up in your mind would make us pretty sad and possibly angry.
I have no console and have no clue how old the 8 is, but have to say: better throw it away, then to reduce all stuff for all others only to bring it to run on the low/slow/old systems. At the end its same with games generally, if someone want MSFS then a 10year old PC, with Vista or older , and craphic card will not help either to run the game properly or bring it to start.
Weve seen it with Kinzigtalbahn: nice done route, but overall most/all console players cries about bad performance
When people buy consoles because they are cheaper than a gaming pc, but cries at modern games that they will not work any longer --- then they should invest one time into a newer console that still is cheaper than a modern gaming pc.
The gen 8 is 11 to 12 years old depending on XBox One or PS4.
Keeping your hardware up to date is very important. I doubt many people run on a 10 year old computer, you'd be lucky it still worked!
I am PC with 16gb ram, windows 7, TSW4, can I run all services?
PC and currently gen has all services
@Grumpy_Englishman thanks
You will need TSW5 to play Preston-Carlislie however TSW5 is free to claim at the moment
@martinhenn2057 I will try tp claim it today, hanks for the info
@@viliusr.8792 you'll have them all yes, if you're running at 1080p you'll likely be fine depending on the GPU you've got
Anyone think AI traffic will be maintained?
@@sinfulrailwonderer383 my personal expectation is there will be some but probably not a lot, there's not going to be a lot in that time scale except at the terminus stations anyway in reality. WCML is busy as train lines go but nothing compared to BML. There's nothing been announced so you might want to wait and see when it comes out. I'll ask via the ambassador channel and see if there's an answer for you. *This expectation turned out to be wrong, confirmed with JT there's no other traffic only the 87s for Gen8.
@@sinfulrailwonderer383 ok I got an answer from JT on Gen8 the ONLY traffic is Class 87s doing straight through runs. There's no other traffic at all.
@trainsimulatordriver I fear it may be sorely lonesome
@sinfulrailwonderer383 I suspect it will be yes, it'll be lot like TSC sadly
Or just get a PC.
@@ianmalcolm7782 I'm not sure it's that simple, the same performance you get from a gen9 console on PC unless you know how to build one yourself from used parts is going to cost you roughly twice as much
@trainsimulatordriver I get it does come down to budget and it is good that you can play this on console but in reality if you're serious about simulation the PC is where it's at. The game is limited enough as it is to include consoles but this timetable issue just highlights the limitations further. Not great really if you're expected to pay the prices the DLC are for less functionality and options.
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@@slavvy.mp4884 the hardware is 11 years old, it’s ancient as far as the tech world is concerned. What do you want them to do about it?
While reduction for gen 8 is necessary, it is recognised that for those players who cannot move its not a great outcome. It is reality though, if you thought about the console as a one liter bottle and you had 2 liters of water to put in it then its simply not going to fit. The game is like that. The answer? Something has to give, you either get less water or you get a bigger bottle.
@@Owencr905 indeed
@@trainsimulatordriver very good way of putting it
@@trainsimulatordriver I just cannot fathom that the ps4 can run games as CPU intensive as cities skylines or war thunder or RDR2 and be perfectly fine with a high framerate despite their sheer size and processing required, apparently 8gb of ram works fine there. yet a map that's about 4gb in total download size cannot run at all. This just screams optimisation issue rather than software issue.
Furthermore I can't upgrade to 9th gen when I can barely afford to pay for college n home. This is why I'm also so extremely critical of their price hikes for the routes themselves because its legit insane for it to cost as much as a AAA title PER ROUTE. Like good god I just want to enjoy something in this miserable life and all of it is constantly taken how do you expect me to feel about it?