An airplane that has an issue and then has THE SAME serious issue after barely a month is a SERIOUS matter. I hope something has changed in the organisation. 😰
I live about 500 km ESE of Winnipeg and usually find the Emirates flights to ORD well east of me. Winnipeg seems a far-out diversion with closer alternatives capable of landing a 777 unless it was for weather. With horizontal stabilizer problems they may have wanted a zillion square kilometers of wide open prairie for their approach.
@@bigonicha3225 he’s just stating they all have an image to uphold and nothing to do with how their employees are happy currently. An aircraft falling from the sky in Dubai is not what they want beaming across the world. They haven’t faced public scrutiny throughout this magical boom time for their economies built off blood, sweat and tears of millions of poor people.
@@bigonicha3225 No its true, my father has worked for Qatar and now works for Emirates. To the public the airline seems perfect but underneath its not what you think.
Too bad they never mentioned the OAT at it's cruising altitude. While I was flying a jet over the Atlantic one winter night, our OAT was much colder than normal for most of our flight, then we get a warning of impending fuel icing. We had enough fuel to reduce altitude by 5,000 feet and found normal temperatures. As far as a stab trim problem, which I assume it was, on the same 777 aircraft, traveling near the Arctic, there is the case of lower OAT's affecting this route of flight. Just my own humble opinion. I agree they should keep this aircraft flying on different routes.
I don't get the connection with temp and a flight control malfunction. Several big jets I flew required fuel heat for one minute every 30 minutes once the fuel temp went below 0. Depending on the jet fuel it would need to get below -40 before gelling or freezing was a concern and I never saw it get close to that even on a 17 hour flight.
I believe it was the same one as before so I would not be surprised EK’s engineers spent longer checking for further issues with it. From what I’ve heard it was back in the air just recently after a week of checks and fixes
It is a coincidence that the same aircraft would get the same problems twice which begs the question whether the issue was fixed first time around but then again maintenance could have overlooked something. Luckily the aircraft landed safely and that is the bottom line I can imagine that it's a cost factor the fact that EK did not instead find another airline to ferry the passengers back to Chicago the same day and the passenger had to stay 24hrs in Winnipeg whilst EK sources another of its aircraft to collect the stranded passengers.
Another incident again! EK had something similar with another a/c - A6-EMI which had numerous electrical issues. The company continued to operate the a/c until it became untenable to do so following a serious electrical fault whilst on a turnaround in India. The a/c was subsequently scrapped. Following on from EK’s behaviour and attitude over the last 18months some have suggested that their chickens have come home to roost.
Oh my god. A6-EQD is a pretty young and a new airplane in Emirates fleet and the question was..is there a maintenance issue with this pretty young 777-300ER ?
Seems to be a maintenance issue that they thought they fixed and they didn’t so it reared its ugly head again. Kind of like getting your car fixed only for the same issue to happen again and you have to take it back to the dealer once more
Well, maybe just a portion of the particular system in its entirety that controls the aircraft was repaired and that the second go round called for either a system rebuild or replacement. Hopefully the costs from either approach was far less than the aircraft itself🙂.
Wow I remember thinking that’s unusual when the first incident happened in January, after that I just forgot about it. But now it seems like there is something large wrong with the 777. I expect if this happens a third time with the same aircraft Emirates might contact Boeing or even retire the plane.
Emirates should try and keep this aircraft closer to home, so if it does go wrong its not nearly as much of an issue. Flying it to West coast US isnt a good idea for this plane any more because of the lack of diversion airports over the north pole - as seen in the SFO diversion. Maybe just keep it flying to Europe and Asia.
They overwork their pilots and they are too scared to speak up on issues. They also using their local emirate trained pilots that don’t have experience in pilot lingo terms don’t know how to put it
Probably just means they didn't fix it correctly the first time. It's not a know issue with the the type. EK has been having quite few issues trying to ramp back up operations so seems very carrier specific.
@@EdOeuna A large portion of the fleet did indeed stop operating for awhile. The routes they flew on were closed to passengers. They flew a few as cargo only but that wasn't a large fleet.
@@johniii8147 - “awhile” being measured in months, and probably less than 6 for the entire 777 fleet. EK very quickly ran out of 777 capacity because they were operating cargo flights in the 777’s to keep their freight ops up and running.
Why divert though? Having to remain in the air that long anyways, what’s the harm in continuing to ORD? I guess to be in a less populated area, with less air traffic disruption perhaps. But still, diverting there cost Emirates not telling how much
Same issue, and both times when in the northern hemisphere, like really north where it is really cold, i mean this is once again "pitot tubes freezing shut" kinda issue, should be repromanded asap!
LOL, my old airline used to hate a particular airplane because “it loved the city I am based out of too much” just like my friends at AF a plane like that as well. But personally given it’s locked to 1 airline, I’d look into the maintenance first before the whole 777 family.
@@MasterofBlitz I worked part-time working for a major airline back in college. There was this MD-83 that constantly showed that the middle cargo door was open, even though it was completely shut every time the light in the cockpit said otherwise. I remember the ramp crew rolling their eyes whenever this plane flew in for a "quick" turnaround.
Your comment isnt credible and very uneducated. The 777 is a 30+yr old programme, if the 777 had issues these issues would have been addressed 3 decades ago. This seems to be a maintainance issue
What's with BOEING anyway ??? :-( "Flight Control Issues" is not to be taken lightly, after all, two 737 MAX flights already 'uncontrollably' flew to the ground/sea killing all the passengers. And there is the QC issues in the transition out of Everett, WA to wherever they make BOEINGS now. SCARY to fly ANY BOEING aircraft these days ??? :-(
QC was South Carolina. This plane is an B777-300ER which has a perfect record. Also I’d scrutinize the maintenance first. Two nearly same incidents in just a few weeks. More like a maintenance thing.
Not forgetting the 737 rudder hard overs which resulted in 2 crashes and a near crash between 1991 and 1996 - due to a _design flaw_ which made the rudder PCU susceptible to thermal shock.
A friend of mine is a B777 Capt at Emirates. Few years ago he told me a story about a minor issue of friction in throttle of the aircraft he was flying. He had reported issue to their maintenance crew who said it is caused by some friction in the bearing of the throttle control which looks like a minor fix. But the Emirates maintenance team grounded the aircraft and replaced the entire throttle quadrant of that B777 (anyone knows the cost of such replacement). Such is the quality of aircraft maintenance services at Emirates.
Looks like they just changes a few Control Boxes, did a lame ground check and signed it off as could not Duplicate! Apparently the failure is some other component. That is exactly how Lion Air killed almost 180 people on the 737 Max MCAST issue except they did it on two consecutive flights before the final crash. Just because their crews couldn't identify a simple run away trim and turn off two switches on the center console. Do not sell complicated airplanes to third world airlines!
There’s a genuine issue with the Chairman of Emirates also being head of his countries aviation regulator and also chairman of DXB. It’s dangerous and will lead to incidents due to poor governance and no accountability
A6-EQD days are numbered with the airline. Emirates does not spare it’s aircrafts with multiple airlines so lightly. I see it being put up for sale. Maybe Pakistan International Airlines might be interested in taking this aircraft at a good price. It’s hardly 5 years old.
Comments on here are like "Ground the 777"......"shut down the 777 line" ....."Ban Boeing"......Guess we found all the Airbus fanboys and all the uneducated folk!!! 😂
@Harold Yeoh Passenger commfort is down to Airlines and not the manufacturers. A 3x3x3 Boeing 777 is far superior to the A350. The same can be said about 2x4x2 787 vs the A330. The airlines decided that they could make more money by having 9 abreast 787s and 10 abreast 777.
I hope that further investigations will be done and it will be proven that the 4 fired pilots weren’t responsible for what happened last month. And hopefully, they’ll all get their jobs back.
Okay (for all three of you guys)…. How would this be Boeing’s fault? The B777-300ER on its own has a premiere safety record, very few issues with that plane. Also two if two nearly identical incidents happen wouldn’t it mean time to take the plane out for a major overhaul (like a D Check)? Just before we blame someone? Its like blaming a car for being a lemon after having two identical issues, before you blame the brand shouldn’t you do some maintenance first? I had a similar thing with an A350-900 for the airline I worked for after we brought the plane back from storage, it was a lemon after a full D check that plane was well behaved.
Not even a minor issue of safety. There is plenty of redundancy built into every system. This was a minor inconvenience of time, but even that would be enjoyable. There are worse places to divert to than Canada.
@@MasterofBlitz Or cause not properly identified. Lion Air's MAX had suffered previous flight control issues. Clearly a maintenance issue as it wasn't fixed properly the first time by the maintenance crew. *EXCEPT* they had no idea that MCAS existed and was the cause of the flight control issues.
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An airplane that has an issue and then has THE SAME serious issue after barely a month is a SERIOUS matter. I hope something has changed in the organisation. 😰
Boeing: LOL he thinks we care :]
@@KuK137 be honest, if this was an Airbus plane we wouldn’t hear about it
I live about 500 km ESE of Winnipeg and usually find the Emirates flights to ORD well east of me. Winnipeg seems a far-out diversion with closer alternatives capable of landing a 777 unless it was for weather. With horizontal stabilizer problems they may have wanted a zillion square kilometers of wide open prairie for their approach.
Emirates should implement urgent strategies to avoid such complications. They have an immaculate brand image which can be lost in minutes.
@Alfred Weber source trust me bro.From passengers to their personnel none of them ever complain about these 3.On the contrast they love them lol
@@bigonicha3225 he’s just stating they all have an image to uphold and nothing to do with how their employees are happy currently.
An aircraft falling from the sky in Dubai is not what they want beaming across the world. They haven’t faced public scrutiny throughout this magical boom time for their economies built off blood, sweat and tears of millions of poor people.
Just dont use boeings
@@bigonicha3225 No its true, my father has worked for Qatar and now works for Emirates. To the public the airline seems perfect but underneath its not what you think.
EK has had a hull lost with 1 fatality
I was gonna buy a 777, but after seeing this I’ve changed my mind.
Too bad they never mentioned the OAT at it's cruising altitude. While I was flying a jet over the Atlantic one winter night, our OAT was much colder than normal for most of our flight, then we get a warning of impending fuel icing. We had enough fuel to reduce altitude by 5,000 feet and found normal temperatures.
As far as a stab trim problem, which I assume it was, on the same 777 aircraft, traveling near the Arctic, there is the case of lower OAT's affecting this route of flight.
Just my own humble opinion.
I agree they should keep this aircraft flying on different routes.
I don't get the connection with temp and a flight control malfunction. Several big jets I flew required fuel heat for one minute every 30 minutes once the fuel temp went below 0. Depending on the jet fuel it would need to get below -40 before gelling or freezing was a concern and I never saw it get close to that even on a 17 hour flight.
There's mice in the fuselage eating the wires
I believe it was the same one as before so I would not be surprised EK’s engineers spent longer checking for further issues with it. From what I’ve heard it was back in the air just recently after a week of checks and fixes
It is a coincidence that the same aircraft would get the same problems twice which begs the question whether the issue was fixed first time around but then again maintenance could have overlooked something. Luckily the aircraft landed safely and that is the bottom line I can imagine that it's a cost factor the fact that EK did not instead find another airline to ferry the passengers back to Chicago the same day and the passenger had to stay 24hrs in Winnipeg whilst EK sources another of its aircraft to collect the stranded passengers.
Another incident again! EK had something similar with another a/c - A6-EMI which had numerous electrical issues. The company continued to operate the a/c until it became untenable to do so following a serious electrical fault whilst on a turnaround in India. The a/c was subsequently scrapped. Following on from EK’s behaviour and attitude over the last 18months some have suggested that their chickens have come home to roost.
Actually managed to capture EPZ on approach into Winnipeg on runway 31. 😀 Lucky chance coincidence
You guys have to sort out the editing visual glitches
Oh my god. A6-EQD is a pretty young and a new airplane in Emirates fleet and the question was..is there a maintenance issue with this pretty young 777-300ER ?
Hard to say, when it had the previous issue it was diverted so that it would land where EK had engineers
Seems to be a maintenance issue that they thought they fixed and they didn’t so it reared its ugly head again. Kind of like getting your car fixed only for the same issue to happen again and you have to take it back to the dealer once more
Well, maybe just a portion of the particular system in its entirety that controls the aircraft was repaired and that the second go round called for either a system rebuild or replacement. Hopefully the costs from either approach was far less than the aircraft itself🙂.
This is probably making emirates so annoyed
I think it would be annoying for any airline that’s well rated for safety but things like this do happen time to time even with the best
Wow I remember thinking that’s unusual when the first incident happened in January, after that I just forgot about it. But now it seems like there is something large wrong with the 777. I expect if this happens a third time with the same aircraft Emirates might contact Boeing or even retire the plane.
I agree they should sent it back to Boeing or set for retire. Good thing the 777 has a immaculate safety record
Is not boeing is mantainance they not doing the mantainance how it suppose to
Stop pointing fingers at boeing nd point fingers at emirates being like media always a propaganda against American companies
@@andersonrodriguez8258 that’s not true in any way for me
It sis only odd because it is very rare for something like this to happen
It's the damn paint !
Same aircraft with same control problem. I hope it doesn’t get worse
They’ve found the fault and fixed it.
@787 dreams - I have it on good authority that they found some poorly installed / located components and they have been replaced.
Seems to have been handled effectively and fast.
Oh dear, the guys on the aussie kid's channel will be going in to meltdown
Emirates should try and keep this aircraft closer to home, so if it does go wrong its not nearly as much of an issue. Flying it to West coast US isnt a good idea for this plane any more because of the lack of diversion airports over the north pole - as seen in the SFO diversion. Maybe just keep it flying to Europe and Asia.
Or just stop flying it until they fix the issue
They seem to be. Since it’s return to service today it has flown to Riyadh and back and another trip to Tehran and back.
Alright! I’m now starting to feeling concerned flying with Emirates in March
Don't worry,Emirates has a perfect safety record
@@luigiweegee7152 A few near misses
@@matthewsmith2787 i mean they had bad luck with the b777,but overall Emirates has a good safety record.
They overwork their pilots and they are too scared to speak up on issues. They also using their local emirate trained pilots that don’t have experience in pilot lingo terms don’t know how to put it
Was it serviced in South Africa by any chances?? Would explain lots
I feel like it’s not so severe that it’ll force groundings but I’d do an overhaul of that 777.
Probably just means they didn't fix it correctly the first time. It's not a know issue with the the type. EK has been having quite few issues trying to ramp back up operations so seems very carrier specific.
@@johniii8147 777 hasn’t stopped flying during the pandemic.
@@EdOeuna A large portion of the fleet did indeed stop operating for awhile. The routes they flew on were closed to passengers. They flew a few as cargo only but that wasn't a large fleet.
@@johniii8147 - “awhile” being measured in months, and probably less than 6 for the entire 777 fleet. EK very quickly ran out of 777 capacity because they were operating cargo flights in the 777’s to keep their freight ops up and running.
Same problem same aircraft same temperature there is some issue with the maintenance crew or sensor
I think they should test that aircraft for covid-19😂
Lol
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 It needs vaccine boosters after all🤣🤣🤣🤣😭
Wow two in a row
Why divert though? Having to remain in the air that long anyways, what’s the harm in continuing to ORD? I guess to be in a less populated area, with less air traffic disruption perhaps. But still, diverting there cost Emirates not telling how much
It was a serious problem,that's why they diverted
Today an Air France 777-300ER had to go around with flight control issues too. What’s up with Boeing
Obviously not fixed properly the first time !!
Princeton TV uses 12-Hour clock not 24-Hour clock on their operation ever since (just to remember most of the world uses 12 hour clocks)
I caught the 777 sitting at the apron at Richardson int
Same issue, and both times when in the northern hemisphere, like really north where it is really cold, i mean this is once again "pitot tubes freezing shut" kinda issue, should be repromanded asap!
Please make a video on emirates ice !!!
It could be many things
But we need to see the fault msg in the MAT
i wonder what they did with the PAX for the time it took to get a replacement 777!??!
Take the plane out of service and have a complete check.
How many of emirate’s planes sat for ages with covid? Like cars sitting for ages isn’t good.
I am curious if this 777 was built in Washington state or South Carolina.
All 777 are built in Washington
All of the 777s are built in Everett, Washington.
It isn't built in North Charleston, South Carolina, unlike the 787.
I think all airlines should just start flying A380s, A340s, A330s and 747s. They seem to not have any issues.
A380s with Rolls Royce had some early on. Early B747s same thing.
@@MasterofBlitz yeah but they don't have any issues in current times.
@@emiratesaviation33 but the b747 and a380 are more expensive to operate
@@luigiweegee7152 they won’t be so expensive after all of the efficient planes start to crash though
@@emiratesaviation33 since when did efficient plane became so dangerous?,they’re so reliable and redundant
Hey man 0:36 has some video glitch
How old are these aircraft?
This same one as before is 4 years old
Send it back to Boeing and say, fix it!
They did (sort of).
Well I was waiting for west jet flight to Calgary
Lemon. Wouldn't wanna fly on that plane.
This 777 is a lemon. Return it to the dealer for a full refund.
LOL, my old airline used to hate a particular airplane because “it loved the city I am based out of too much” just like my friends at AF a plane like that as well. But personally given it’s locked to 1 airline, I’d look into the maintenance first before the whole 777 family.
@@MasterofBlitz I worked part-time working for a major airline back in college. There was this MD-83 that constantly showed that the middle cargo door was open, even though it was completely shut every time the light in the cockpit said otherwise. I remember the ramp crew rolling their eyes whenever this plane flew in for a "quick" turnaround.
This plane needs c-check or something.
Dangereous stuff happening with this one.
Almost similar to Boeing 737 MAX story
So what’s at fault here; the aircraft itself, maintenance or the super cold route it’s taking? 🤔
Aircraft fault. It’s been fixed.
After grounding the Boeing 737 for almost 2 years and the FAA refusing Boeing to deliver the 787 since 10 months, is the B777 next to be scrutinized?
That means all other B777 would have the same. In my opinion if the issue is locked to one airline, I think it’s more of a maintenance thing.
Doubt it, since it's not as widespread as the current A350 or 787 issues.
Your comment isnt credible and very uneducated. The 777 is a 30+yr old programme, if the 777 had issues these issues would have been addressed 3 decades ago. This seems to be a maintainance issue
@@mh12-47 Your reply isn't credible and very uneducated. You seem to think that planes can't develop faults over time
@@ant2312 the OP made out the whole 777 needs to be scrutinized. It doesnt, its a maintainance issue with one airline 😒
a elevator position sensor with a cold temperature fault.
They got a lemon.
What's with BOEING anyway ??? :-( "Flight Control Issues" is not to be taken lightly, after all, two 737 MAX flights already 'uncontrollably' flew to the ground/sea killing all the passengers.
And there is the QC issues in the transition out of Everett, WA to wherever they make BOEINGS now.
SCARY to fly ANY BOEING aircraft these days ???
:-(
Boeing is run by a bunch of accountants.
Don’t worry the good old Boeing is coming back!!! Should be no issues with 777X and upcoming aircraft
QC was South Carolina. This plane is an B777-300ER which has a perfect record. Also I’d scrutinize the maintenance first. Two nearly same incidents in just a few weeks. More like a maintenance thing.
Not forgetting the 737 rudder hard overs which resulted in 2 crashes and a near crash between 1991 and 1996 - due to a _design flaw_ which made the rudder PCU susceptible to thermal shock.
It’s a known problem with Boeing. They’ll find the problem and get it fixed.
I wouldn't be flying it!
thats sus
Probably be a good idea to ground that plane until they find the problem
A friend of mine is a B777 Capt at Emirates. Few years ago he told me a story about a minor issue of friction in throttle of the aircraft he was flying. He had reported issue to their maintenance crew who said it is caused by some friction in the bearing of the throttle control which looks like a minor fix. But the Emirates maintenance team grounded the aircraft and replaced the entire throttle quadrant of that B777 (anyone knows the cost of such replacement). Such is the quality of aircraft maintenance services at Emirates.
All parts are returned to the OEM for overhaul & repair according to the relevant specs laid out by the FAA.
Looks like they just changes a few Control Boxes, did a lame ground check and signed it off as could not Duplicate! Apparently the failure is some other component. That is exactly how Lion Air killed almost 180 people on the 737 Max MCAST issue except they did it on two consecutive flights before the final crash. Just because their crews couldn't identify a simple run away trim and turn off two switches on the center console. Do not sell complicated airplanes to third world airlines!
That plane will get grounded and the maintenance crew are going to be interrogated
Emirates should replace B777 with A350.
Looks like EQ would have to bring more aircraft online... This beast is being worked to death...
H I G H V I B E S ❤️
There’s a genuine issue with the Chairman of Emirates also being head of his countries aviation regulator and also chairman of DXB. It’s dangerous and will lead to incidents due to poor governance and no accountability
Not true. Al-Mansouri is the head of the UAE Civil Aviation Authority
I wouldn’t be surprised if one of these planes ends up crashing
That is a major issue.
A6-EQD days are numbered with the airline. Emirates does not spare it’s aircrafts with multiple airlines so lightly. I see it being put up for sale. Maybe Pakistan International Airlines might be interested in taking this aircraft at a good price. It’s hardly 5 years old.
Comments on here are like "Ground the 777"......"shut down the 777 line" ....."Ban Boeing"......Guess we found all the Airbus fanboys and all the uneducated folk!!! 😂
oh dear, since when were Boeing fans such as yourself educated?
@@ant2312 neither a Boeing or Airbus fan 😒
@Harold Yeoh Passenger commfort is down to Airlines and not the manufacturers. A 3x3x3 Boeing 777 is far superior to the A350. The same can be said about 2x4x2 787 vs the A330. The airlines decided that they could make more money by having 9 abreast 787s and 10 abreast 777.
That's the problem. Too much fanboyism...
I Have completely lost trust in Boeing. Now I only fly on Airbus and Embraer.
😢
Karma for buying those shitboxes
That thing might be overdue for some kind of check
Gremlins
I hope that further investigations will be done and it will be proven that the 4 fired pilots weren’t responsible for what happened last month. And hopefully, they’ll all get their jobs back.
Can you update your map please the Republic of Ireland is NOT part of the UK
hmmmm do i have a brother
Boeing has lost His Culture, of a Good Product and Exelent Ingenieering, at this pace, people will change the "If is BOEING I'M NOT GOING ".
We know that from the first crashing of 737 Max
a lot of us in europe already do, thankfully this side of the pond there are plenty of Airbus fleet options to fly on
@@ant2312 well it was a New 320 Neo Airbus from DELTA. ended in the GRASS couple Days ago, so you should RETHINK that.
@@sergiocorrea63 End is grass is way better than 6000 ft below sea level. I will take grass any time of the day.
Okay (for all three of you guys)…. How would this be Boeing’s fault? The B777-300ER on its own has a premiere safety record, very few issues with that plane. Also two if two nearly identical incidents happen wouldn’t it mean time to take the plane out for a major overhaul (like a D Check)?
Just before we blame someone? Its like blaming a car for being a lemon after having two identical issues, before you blame the brand shouldn’t you do some maintenance first? I had a similar thing with an A350-900 for the airline I worked for after we brought the plane back from storage, it was a lemon after a full D check that plane was well behaved.
U getting writen off
No Airbus bashing today?
Imagine the sheer terror of encountering a serious malfunction while flying over the most remote and desolate Arctic areas ...
Not even a minor issue of safety. There is plenty of redundancy built into every system. This was a minor inconvenience of time, but even that would be enjoyable. There are worse places to divert to than Canada.
I think it is an incompitent third world pilot problem
Seems you too have a problem with your brain's 🧠 vertical stabilizer.
Sell the aircraft to Qatar...
These 777s should be retired
Its a new B777W. If a same plane has the similar issues then wasn’t the fix not done properly if it happened again?
@@MasterofBlitz
Or cause not properly identified.
Lion Air's MAX had suffered previous flight control issues. Clearly a maintenance issue as it wasn't fixed properly the first time by the maintenance crew.
*EXCEPT* they had no idea that MCAS existed and was the cause of the flight control issues.