You didn't mention how the individuals played in the playoffs. Maybe it was a different season, but i remember the knicks shot horribly from three. It was the year they lost to Paul George and the Pacers. Kidd missed every three he shot. JR and Felton were streaky. Love your vids, but this one was too stat focused, thought you would go beyond stats a describe game play. i do remember tyson chandler being open for dunks while melo was doubled,. Lebron found Bird man in the next series. Birdman made 24 straight FGs i believe to set a record. Love your vids! didnt watch this entire vid yet though.
After 17 years he is still without a ring. How long do they want to delude themselves he will get one. He is still saying they did not give him a chance? WTF
Back in 2002 I was told about an inquire done to nba players in wich they have to say who was the most overrated player and who was the most underrated. Vince Carter and Chanceuy Billups respectively won.
I've always said it. He's just a great iso scorer with great shooting mechanics. He's not a great finisher around the rim. He's not a great defender. He's not a play maker. He's not a leader. He's not a superstar.
@Gordon Freeman That has nothing to do with their regular season record. in the playoffs we had injuries and lost to a rising steph curry in the first round, Nuggets play in the west bro
This is really interesting! Not sure why so many downvotes other than a bunch of salty Melo fans who got triggered after reading the title. I've always thought he was overrated, nothing more than a one-dimensional selfish iso scorer, but even I was gonna defend him for playing on crappy teams until you showed the stats for those '08 Nuggets. Damn that was a real eye-opener and the nail in the coffin as far as this dude's legacy is concerned lol
It seems that with every year that goes by, the more and more people stop looking at facts and start using their feelings. News Flash to the Downvoters, Facts don't care about your feelings.
That 2008 nuggets would’ve won in 2012. 2008 was a very different nba. We all know Kobe in his prime and Tim Duncan in his prime. Dirk in his prime. We all know Melo can’t touch those talents
I’m just saying there chance were a lot better with that 08 team in 2012. Okc was still a young team. They only won because the spurs had injuries that year
Well, at least Melo got out of the 1st round while being the franchise player. Tmac technically never made it past the 1st round with him as the franchise player, even with Yao and leading Dallas 2-0.
imo, Melo is the most overrated player ever. Compared with LeBron since day 1, some took a blind eye towards Wade in favor of Melo because of this cheap hype. Even when LeBron won MVP and Wade won a freaking ring, Melo was still up there in the "conversation" (how to define this conversation is something complicated on it's own, lol). Arrived in New York as a savior, ruins everything. Arrives in OKC as a offensive star, can't score even 12 pts at 37% shooting? C'mon, this guy is shameful. We had undimensional scorers before, English, Dominique, etc.. But they had some decency at least. Melo has nothing, the most overrated player ever. You add his outrageous salary on top of this ice cream of shit.. Hard to not consider him the most overrated.
Honestly, the Wade vs LeBron argument would have been far better in the 2010s. Like I mean Wade had a championship and was robbed of the MVP in '09 while LeBron was an incredible player who had a bad team. Over all his years in the League, what has Carmello accomplished?
@@dataslul McGrady ended his career with injuries. He is diagnosed of scoliosis and he's told that his career will only last for 4 years. Still played at a higher level than Carmelo Anthony.
That 2008 nuggets would’ve won in 2012. 2008 was a very different nba. We all know Kobe in his prime and Tim Duncan in his prime. Dirk in his prime. We all know Melo can’t touch those talents
That 2008 nuggets would’ve won in 2012. 2008 was a very different nba. We all know Kobe in his prime and Tim Duncan in his prime. Dirk in his prime. We all know Melo can’t touch those talents
I've been saying this for years. I come from a bball family and my brother was a Melo D rider. I couldnt stress enough that he was the most overhyped player in the league. Could never get my point across no matter what I said to him. He got sent this video as a visual aid. Thanks.
George Karl has a point. In his book (which I never read) and with Melo's overall attitude towards winning in general, lack of intensity or focus on D, comments about winning gold medals instead of NBA championships, and too much damn isolation ball.hell maybe even Phil was right about him
TheGoldeagle99 they were right. A lot of Bronsexuals hate Phil Jackson though so anything against LBJs bro Melo is like a shot against him. But apparently 11 chips isn’t enough experience. SAS is such a huge black apologist that it helped push Phil out the window.
Lakers fan Melo has the same problem as westbrook, shoots too much, turns the ball over too much, and doesn't know how to elevate his teammates. You're just a butthurt Melo fanboy
Tropic Mix Melo & Westbrook couldn't be more different! That's a shitty analogy, Westbrook is a high intensity player who leaves everything on the floor. Melo is a lazy don't give a shit turd who just goes through the motions, hell if he could phone in his game or send in a twin & lay down on his couch he would.
Basketball Examined ....the Game will always be about buckets . Therefore he has been the best player on the team every year . Don't hate , Melo get buckets , most buckets win a game.
I remember one time someone said PER was bs because it had Chauncey Billupd with a better score then Melo. I realized it just mean that Billups is better then Melo
What's funny is, even if you listen to Melo now in 2024 on his podcast, he still doesn't get it. He's almost 40, and the disconnect is still there. I can't imagine how bad it was when he was 25.
I never agree when people using statistics on comparing players. But u gotta agree that something is definitely off bout melo, whether his defense or leadership ability or even his personality.
came here thinking "just another video ripping on the greatest ncaa player ever". found out you made a great video with incredible insight. thoroughly enjoyed your views.
The Thunder comparison was decent but the Knicks one OMG no. Tyson as a All-Star and DPOY came from being a Knick. Kidd ppg was similar but minutes played and thus time to playmake wasn't there. MOST IMPORTANTLY that was a team, an era, when a third of the roster income was shelved by Amare injury. He's remember so fondly because of Nash and Marion but Melo out there just gets shafted. I'll give Melo was always billed wrong. He's always compared to wings who are more guard their frontcourt player. He was always a finisher. He finishes plays. That's why Billups and Kidd/Felton worked well. Asking him or letting him play LeBron was always going to end badly.
Fareal it's like people just have this convenient Amnesia and forget Amare signed a max deal made the all star team fucked his back up first round against Boston and was NEVER the same. Melo with the Pheonix version of Amare woulda been a much different story. But everyone leaves the Stoudemire injury and contract out of the conversation. Amares contract crippled the Knicks the same way Allan Houstons contract did
over 50% of his shot was iso, among them almost every shot is jump shot instead of driving to the basket. so when the ball is in his hand, the game becomes his own game, no matter how good he is, he just can't bring his teammates in, even Lebron has a simple system to make assist, but melo doesn't.
Carmelo Anthony has been labeled as Over Rated so much, he's became Underrated. Correct me if I'm wrong, Kobe Bryant said he was one of the best matchups he ever faced
iGoatBP Kobe Bryant also stated Tracy McGrady gave him the most problems. So I don't know your point, maybe the style of play Melo has is fun to play against and somewhat challenging at the same time? I have played against people that weren't as good as some other players all around but they were challenging for me to deal with in unpredictable ways. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are better players, just the way they played challenges me personally.
What does a one on one matchup have to do with being a good teammate and able to lead a team? That's the point of the video... he's overrated in the sense of people still think he can win with him being the number one option which the video proves he's not that guy. He's a one on one nightmare sure, but that's it.
couldn't keep watching after you said the 08 Nuggets a slightly better than average team that didn't get out of the first round, were comparable to the 2012 Thunder with 3 future MVPs, Serge 'Iblocka', and a run to the finals, come on fam
It's pretty disingenuous to say "Hey, these guys were better later on, so I will assume they were just as good back then". It's like me saying rookie LeBron could match up well one-on-one with a prime Jordan. A really stupid claim to make.
Carmelo needs a real point like Billups, the closest he ever had to that was Jason Kidd, in order for Melo to win he has to be a second or third option unfortunately.
Your team comparison strategy is so flawed bc there's so many factors beyond 5-6 players that effect wins esp in different seasons and definitely in different decades
Melo definitely not overrated. We talking about a 1st ballot Hof player a career 25 ppg scored of course he isn't LeBron or Jordan but who TF is. Kobe never shot over 50 percent for a season ok and during Kobe 35ppg year he took almost 28 shots a game harden is shooting 25 shots again melo 22 shots the Knicks were terrible before melo made them a playoff contender and he took a nuggets team that had a top 3 pick to the playoffs as a rookie smh put some respect on that man name
Some good arguments, but you really can't compare teams with similar type players to each other because you have to look at who they're competing against. In 2009 Carmelo's team lost to the eventual champion Lakers, in 2013 they lost to a Pacer team that took LeBron's Heat to 7 games etc. For example, with Allen Iverson, the year he made it to the finals in 2001 was probably one of the worst years in the history of the eastern conference. I'm just saying that every year is different and you have to take that into account.
Eastern Conference since after the Jordan era was watered down. 2003 Eastern Conference was weaker than 2001 East in my opinion. 2001 was a weak year for the East as well.
Um he didn't even make it out the east with a horrible eastern conference to say memo was unlucky every year on his career undermines your credibility memo is selfish doesn't make people better and slows down the ball too much
@@omararreola5449 exactly, it's being proven numerous times that when he's the primary option and ball handler he doesn't lead he's team to success. Also, Melo don't have any excuse like T-Mac, Chris Paul and other players in terms of "lack of success" because of injuries. He's plainly just an underachiever, overhyped and overated ball hog and shot chucker
You have a lot of holes in your argument when comparing rosters you used players at their face value and did not break down Where those players were at in their careers
That Nuggets team was not beating 09 Orlando Magic. Nah! Even the Lakers winning 4-1 didn't tell the whole story. They had to grind it out and even rode their luck. Game winning layup opportunity missed by Courtney Lee in Game 2, Game 4 Jameer Nelson's whack defense on Fisher leading to the 3s on a night when Dwight put up a monster defensive performance (like 9 blocks I guess). That series, the Magic were a matchup nightmare with Hedo, Rashard and Dwight.
Carmelo has always been a low IQ olayer...no vision for the game other than tunnel for scoring stats...no lasting impact on any franchise. He's just not that good, what can you say?
He's not overrated, hes just not an all time top 50 player. If anything he was his generation's Mark Aguirre, a fine scorer from inside and out who never really became a team player, especially at their primes. Aguirre figures it out once he became a Piston, adopted the team first mentality at the cost of his own stats but Anthony never did. That said, Anthony IS the all-time leader in scoring in Olympic history on 3 gold medal winning teams, which in itself is a nice legacy. He also passed the ball on those teams, which is infuriating when you see him play in the NBA. The ability was always there, he juat didn't buy into the team concept in the NBA
Carmelo is a player that need a good point whos not intimidated by his ego to hold him down and carmelo is the best player on that nuggets team. ur not being fair to melo he had an over the hill allen iverson who was playing for his a contract which he never really got after that and iverson is a 2 guard not a point
Vitor Hara Chauncy is one of the best leaders of that era. Also, anytime Melo had a competent PG his teams could at least be a threat in the playoffs. They were even passable with Raymomd Felton and old Jason Kid.
I have always said melo needs an elite point guard who can get everyone involved if he wants to win. If Jayson kid came to the knicks in his prime that team would of won it all
Excellent video, insight & observation... I learned a lot, I've watching all the videos of why he is being blackballed & he's not being blackballed, he did it to himself, the diva attitude, not evolving his craft & winning a championship & not being a team player... He wants a pass & not getting it... Best wishes to him...
You have 3 videos in this series and not one of them about the most overrated player in NBA history, Kobe Bryant. At least nobody is putting Melo in the GOAT discussion.
Such a shame too. When he came to NY man everyone thought that team was at east going to compete in the east finals. I remember thinking that we’d have some good Miami vs Knicks series. Such a shame
revolution3481 it's not as accurate as it appears. Most dont count the ridiculous competition in the west in the 2000s. Lakers, Spurs, Timberwolves, Mavericks, Grizzlies, Jazz, Suns, King, Trail Blazers, Clips (one year), Warriors, Sonics, Hornets all made the Playoffs those years and I didn't count Melos Nuggets. 50 wins got you a low seed and you were likely to play an eventual champ in the first two rounds
Enough beating a dead horse, let him know that his talents are not longer needed, he made his money, lots of money, but a ring is out of the question, at least as the center piece of a team, that train departed years ago
Who have been their teammates in these productive years, for each player listed. The reason I ask is because Carmelo probably is the only player without an all-star caliber player on his team.
The bottom line people are so salty on Carmelo is because he never played real defense and never made anyone around him better. Not to mention his leadership was very lacking.
Yall got the game fucked up its not his fault he never played for a good coach with a system and he never played with a great player you can't compare Billups to Magic... Melo creates his own shot they don't run plays for him get ya facts right
Jr Jr George Karl is a legendary coach, he was top 5 in wins until just this year when Pop passed him. Mike Dantoni is a great coach too asking him to coach a stubborn ball dominant loser like Melo is a recipe for disaster, Mike Woodson is a good coach too. You're talking out of your ass. Compare his coaches to say...LeBrons and it's laughable.
All I see in this video is absolute cherry picking. Sad, and it isn't even very good at that. Jason Kidd 2011 or Tyson Chandler 2011 =/= Jason Kidd 2013 or Tyson Chandler 2013. JR was hella inconsistent, and I'm dumbfounded how you could possibly equate the Matrix with Shump. Pace, space, and Melo's shot making fueled that team yet you leave out that without other players around him actually contributing: JR averaging 13 points on 29%, Felton 11/3/4 on 41%, Shump 10 on 38%, Chandler just 6 and 6, Amar'e with 4 points on 38%... meanwhile Melo averaged 28/8 with 43/35/87 splits... including 39 on 52% shooting in Game 6 where only Iman Shumpert was effective besides him... but noooooooo, Melo brought the team down... You're a hater
Grislock ok but until 4 games ago he was the main reason chemistry in okc wasn’t working out. He stops the ball too much and he can’t even be a spot up shooter which you’d think would be the perfect thing for his career
When you consider how little of a willing passer Carmelo Anthony was compared to the other top scorers mentioned it isn’t that surprising that he was less efficient. I would say there are more overrated players than he though, as he has never been thought of as a defender, passer, rebounder etc. just a scorer and only really an iso one at that. I would say a better comparison would be Joe Johnson, to whom despite injuries Carmelo was better individually, but I would probably prefer Joe on my team given the option.
imma jus give u the facts when Melo plays with a pure point look how far his team go look it up..but how can he win when Iverson Westbrook and D Rose were his PGs
Jared Abraham Cid FDA trust me I’m not AI is basically the goat. What I’m saying is for Melo’s style scoring PGs never worked good wit him. He needed a CP3/Rondo type PG.
This is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. Melo has been on a building team every year except for 2 seasons. One of those was a WCF appearance and the other was a 2nd seed in the east. Furthermore Carmelo is an extremely underrated perimeter defender. Sure, sometimes he is lazy off ball defense, but he gets a bad rap because he wasn't a good defender in his early years. They should have done better in 2008 but Iverson and Melo's games weren't compatible like Durant and Westbrook. Iverson and Melo both need the ball to score whereas Durant and Westbrook are better athletically so they can score off ball. Now in NY carmelo is being punished because Phil traded Jr, Shumpert, Hardaway and signed a declining Amare Stodamire. I'd go as far as to say Carmelo is one of the most underrated players of all time because of the sheer disrespect he recieves all the time.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but Melo is definitely a top 15 SF and if not, then 16, not to mention a guaranteed first ballot HOFer. He did his thing in the NBA, just wasn't good enough to get a championship. He did make his teams better though considering teams he led seldom missed the playoffs, they were just never cohesive enough to transcend. His impact is similar to T-Mac just less flashy and more consistent.
And scoring is more then just how much points its about the ways you can score and tell me outta everyone on thst list who can score in more ways the melo besides kobe ill wait
Great video . Melo hasn’t made any impact . He’s career has been overlooked just because he can score . He doesn’t run back on transition, he’s not a leader , he has been playing the same since he came into the league , and he doesn’t play defense .The only reason why he would make the Hall of Frame , is just because he scored the ball.
I was with you when you said Amare and AI stopped making all Nba teams when playing with Melo. Correct me if I'm wrong. Did Amare not get injured first round against Boston and NEVER return to Pheonix form. AI was on his last legs got traded to Detroit and fizzled out. U give such a jaded bias "I dont like Melo" opinion it's so annoying lol. U mix advanced stats with the fact u dont like him. Melo is first ballot hes most definitely one of the best players at his position all time. He got drafted in 2003 u wanted to see him making first team all nba against prime Dirk KG Tim Duncan Lebron Vince in his prime Paul Pierce prime Bosh Tmac lmaoo.. 2 foward spots on an all Nba team and u discounting him for not making first team and Dirk made in twice in 20 years and it coulda easily been argued he be left off. Dominique is overrated then Alex English is too Grant hill didnt play enough to be In the conversation. Your points are so corny lol
This video is stupid, it tells how carmelo anthonys team does good until the playoffs, but if you actually watched these series you would see that everyone on melos team would crumble under pressure besides him and they would lose its not his fault his teamates cant handle the playoffs
Nice analysis - would be good if you can analyse why OKC have failed this year to meet expectations. I'm sure it will be a combination of having Anthony and Westbrook on the same team!
Col Conno how is overrated the only thing he's praised for is scoring not winning nun else just simply scoring it's videos and people like this who get all these extra ass stats dat no one talks about just to say sum one isn't good and those same people can't even score 10 points in a d2 college league
Col Conno bruh at the end of day would u be scared if u had 10 seconds on the clock and Melo had the ball on a iso cuz ion think u would that's a 97% guaranteed bucket and no I'm not a Melo fan
Wade's numbers dropped because of injury. Bosh and Love went from being first options on shitty teams to #3 options on championship contenders. Only a cretin would expect their numbers to stay the same. Plus Lebron's team always contend for the title. Melo couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, then lost to a Utah team led by a rookie with Russell Westbrook and Paul George on his team.
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King Andretti word he just regurgitate the rest of the bloodsucking media with they clueless Melohate
You didn't mention how the individuals played in the playoffs. Maybe it was a different season, but i remember the knicks shot horribly from three. It was the year they lost to Paul George and the Pacers. Kidd missed every three he shot. JR and Felton were streaky. Love your vids, but this one was too stat focused, thought you would go beyond stats a describe game play. i do remember tyson chandler being open for dunks while melo was doubled,. Lebron found Bird man in the next series. Birdman made 24 straight FGs i believe to set a record. Love your vids! didnt watch this entire vid yet though.
Great analysis. He's a relic, and has been for the entirety of this decade.
Melo crushed Amare Stoudamire and Jeremy Lin chance to lead the Knicks lol. They both was balling out until Melo came/came back from injury
Truth!
After 17 years he is still without a ring. How long do they want to delude themselves he will get one. He is still saying they did not give him a chance? WTF
@@greaterbayareahero1401 Hes trash
Amari would've been over that hof hump possibly
Lmao if u truly believe Jeremy Lin can lead a team
Billups is the most underrated player ever
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Moses Malone. Scottie Pippen.
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Yes great leader clutch and is a champion
Back in 2002 I was told about an inquire done to nba players in wich they have to say who was the most overrated player and who was the most underrated. Vince Carter and Chanceuy Billups respectively won.
Why tf is he comparing melo to people like Jordan, lebron, kobe, d Wade, KD we all know that these guys are better then melo
Because ppl were making arguments that Melo was a Top 5-10 player in the league when some of these guys were playing.
Some people call Melo a top 30 player of all time
Lol he isnt even top 75. Maybe not even top 100.
Harry Engel Carmelo at least he can make it out the first round and he was a more efficient scorer than Tracy
All of you are idiots. Have you seen melo in his prime??!💯😤
When Basketball Examined says "for example" you know somebody's argument is about to be debunked. 😏
I've always said it. He's just a great iso scorer with great shooting mechanics.
He's not a great finisher around the rim.
He's not a great defender.
He's not a play maker.
He's not a leader.
He's not a superstar.
Well said...
Ur buggin🤣
Not a team player, Another street ball player.
Facts
He has no insight in terms of the understanding of basketball except scoring
All i'll say is the denver nuggets had a better record the season after they traded him
Nuggets trade melo and then win 57 games with iguodala and ty lawson leading the way lol
@@charlolbj23 Nuggets also had 17 wins before melo and 43 when they drafted him
@@luisrodrigues7960 melo was a winner then
@Gordon Freeman That has nothing to do with their regular season record. in the playoffs we had injuries and lost to a rising steph curry in the first round, Nuggets play in the west bro
@@calebchapel7835the west was not always that good and people need to stop acting like it was. Western teams were still losing to Eastern teams.
Nice nod to Chauncy Billups, one of the most underrated players of all time, possibly.
This is really interesting! Not sure why so many downvotes other than a bunch of salty Melo fans who got triggered after reading the title. I've always thought he was overrated, nothing more than a one-dimensional selfish iso scorer, but even I was gonna defend him for playing on crappy teams until you showed the stats for those '08 Nuggets. Damn that was a real eye-opener and the nail in the coffin as far as this dude's legacy is concerned lol
It seems that with every year that goes by, the more and more people stop looking at facts and start using their feelings.
News Flash to the Downvoters, Facts don't care about your feelings.
Well damn u just said it all, perfectly
That 2008 nuggets would’ve won in 2012. 2008 was a very different nba. We all know Kobe in his prime and Tim Duncan in his prime. Dirk in his prime. We all know Melo can’t touch those talents
Vitor Hara maybe not win but make past okc yes.
I’m just saying there chance were a lot better with that 08 team in 2012. Okc was still a young team. They only won because the spurs had injuries that year
Lol I remeber that Billups/Iverson trade. Detroit got worse and Denver got better. Billups made that Denver team no. 2 in the west
Well, at least Melo got out of the 1st round while being the franchise player. Tmac technically never made it past the 1st round with him as the franchise player, even with Yao and leading Dallas 2-0.
I respect his game and have been impressed with his moves. But he really is overrated. Very inefficient and no effort on defense,
Harry Engel how does that sound like a good player??
imo, Melo is the most overrated player ever. Compared with LeBron since day 1, some took a blind eye towards Wade in favor of Melo because of this cheap hype. Even when LeBron won MVP and Wade won a freaking ring, Melo was still up there in the "conversation" (how to define this conversation is something complicated on it's own, lol). Arrived in New York as a savior, ruins everything. Arrives in OKC as a offensive star, can't score even 12 pts at 37% shooting? C'mon, this guy is shameful. We had undimensional scorers before, English, Dominique, etc.. But they had some decency at least. Melo has nothing, the most overrated player ever. You add his outrageous salary on top of this ice cream of shit.. Hard to not consider him the most overrated.
Honestly, the Wade vs LeBron argument would have been far better in the 2010s. Like I mean Wade had a championship and was robbed of the MVP in '09 while LeBron was an incredible player who had a bad team. Over all his years in the League, what has Carmello accomplished?
McGrady is probably even more overrated and for similar reasons.
@@dataslul McGrady ended his career with injuries. He is diagnosed of scoliosis and he's told that his career will only last for 4 years. Still played at a higher level than Carmelo Anthony.
@@sumiokodai1652 Have to say, after looking at it, early 20s McGrady was definitely better than Carmelo by any standard. You have a point there.
Alejandro Lozano Aguas McGrady played defense. Can’t say the same for marshmelo
All he did was state facts
cass connally fanboys can't handle that
cass connally so he doesn’t use bias
That 2008 nuggets would’ve won in 2012. 2008 was a very different nba. We all know Kobe in his prime and Tim Duncan in his prime. Dirk in his prime. We all know Melo can’t touch those talents
That 2008 nuggets would’ve won in 2012. 2008 was a very different nba. We all know Kobe in his prime and Tim Duncan in his prime. Dirk in his prime. We all know Melo can’t touch those talents
Kev Marray nah. That Nuggets team would never have beaten the 2012 Heat. That was Lebron at his peak and Wade and Bosh still going strong. No way.
“Yo, P, They’re saying I gotta come off the bench”
Carmelo Anthony
“I’m not sacrificing a bench role”
Carmelo Anthony
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lots of knicks fans watched this
James Macdonald im a knicks fan and i know the reality about melo
No most knick fans are sick of melo. It's melo fans that have caused problems
A lot of Knicks fans would agree with this video
@@almargarcia1226 Only the delusional botard casuals would dislike this vid
I'm a Knicks fan and I know this is spot on. We all do. Only Melo's fan boy homies refuse to acknowledge how overrated he was.
I've been saying this for years. I come from a bball family and my brother was a Melo D rider. I couldnt stress enough that he was the most overhyped player in the league. Could never get my point across no matter what I said to him. He got sent this video as a visual aid. Thanks.
I agree with Melo's criticisms involving the NBA but as a huge Cuse fan I can say he's a legend
Iverson trade was horrible, The Nuggets tookoff when they traded him for Billups.
You're spot on about Chauncey Billups man, always felt he's been so underrated
George Karl has a point. In his book (which I never read) and with Melo's overall attitude towards winning in general, lack of intensity or focus on D, comments about winning gold medals instead of NBA championships, and too much damn isolation ball.hell maybe even Phil was right about him
TheGoldeagle99 there's no maybe
TheGoldeagle99 they were right. A lot of Bronsexuals hate Phil Jackson though so anything against LBJs bro Melo is like a shot against him. But apparently 11 chips isn’t enough experience. SAS is such a huge black apologist that it helped push Phil out the window.
TheGoldeagle99 George Karl has also alienated himself from most of his former players repeatedly on different incidents.
Lakers fan Melo has the same problem as westbrook, shoots too much, turns the ball over too much, and doesn't know how to elevate his teammates. You're just a butthurt Melo fanboy
Tropic Mix Melo & Westbrook couldn't be more different! That's a shitty analogy, Westbrook is a high intensity player who leaves everything on the floor. Melo is a lazy don't give a shit turd who just goes through the motions, hell if he could phone in his game or send in a twin & lay down on his couch he would.
3:56 I love how 80% of the people you showed on the nuggets just ended up on the Knicks 😂😂
basically chancey said it best his leadership isn't strong but that doesn't mean he wasn't the best player on the team
Basketball Examined If you don't think Carmelo was the beat player in those Nuggets team, you've lost it
Dan Stan thank u!!!
Basketball Examined ....the Game will always be about buckets . Therefore he has been the best player on the team every year . Don't hate , Melo get buckets , most buckets win a game.
Melo is really vocal.
Antbeast23 af
I'm not sure if he is, but Chauncey Billups deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. One of the great PGs of our time.
Agreed
I remember one time someone said PER was bs because it had Chauncey Billupd with a better score then Melo. I realized it just mean that Billups is better then Melo
Great video. I've always thought that melo was an overrated volume scorer. This video proves that I was right.
What's funny is, even if you listen to Melo now in 2024 on his podcast, he still doesn't get it.
He's almost 40, and the disconnect is still there. I can't imagine how bad it was when he was 25.
Melo is not a leader... he a black hole
He’s a good streak scorer that’s all
Lol
Not even a good streak scorer
Phil Jackson
Haters
I never agree when people using statistics on comparing players. But u gotta agree that something is definitely off bout melo, whether his defense or leadership ability or even his personality.
You don't agree about stats?! Lol! Facts don't need you to agree with them.
P Ags stats aren't the be all end all, you have to put it into context.
And stats can't tell zilch about HOW any of it happened - just that it happened.
The only stat that really means very much is the W.
like russell westBRICKS triple double stats
Orange Spore Melo isn’t a leader at all. But he’s just became more less efficient it could be personal tho.
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came here thinking "just another video ripping on the greatest ncaa player ever". found out you made a great video with incredible insight. thoroughly enjoyed your views.
The Thunder comparison was decent but the Knicks one OMG no. Tyson as a All-Star and DPOY came from being a Knick. Kidd ppg was similar but minutes played and thus time to playmake wasn't there. MOST IMPORTANTLY that was a team, an era, when a third of the roster income was shelved by Amare injury. He's remember so fondly because of Nash and Marion but Melo out there just gets shafted.
I'll give Melo was always billed wrong. He's always compared to wings who are more guard their frontcourt player. He was always a finisher. He finishes plays. That's why Billups and Kidd/Felton worked well. Asking him or letting him play LeBron was always going to end badly.
Fareal it's like people just have this convenient Amnesia and forget Amare signed a max deal made the all star team fucked his back up first round against Boston and was NEVER the same. Melo with the Pheonix version of Amare woulda been a much different story. But everyone leaves the Stoudemire injury and contract out of the conversation. Amares contract crippled the Knicks the same way Allan Houstons contract did
over 50% of his shot was iso, among them almost every shot is jump shot instead of driving to the basket.
so when the ball is in his hand, the game becomes his own game, no matter how good he is, he just can't bring his teammates in, even Lebron has a simple system to make assist, but melo doesn't.
50-32 as an 8th seed goddamn
Carmelo Anthony has been labeled as Over Rated so much, he's became Underrated. Correct me if I'm wrong, Kobe Bryant said he was one of the best matchups he ever faced
iGoatBP Carmelo is overrated because most of his fans keep on ranking him over lebron or other legends
Macnugot Macnugot2 I know and it's said being the only melo fan around and everyone hating on my mans 😭😭😂😂
Carmelo fucking sucks
iGoatBP Kobe Bryant also stated Tracy McGrady gave him the most problems. So I don't know your point, maybe the style of play Melo has is fun to play against and somewhat challenging at the same time? I have played against people that weren't as good as some other players all around but they were challenging for me to deal with in unpredictable ways. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are better players, just the way they played challenges me personally.
What does a one on one matchup have to do with being a good teammate and able to lead a team? That's the point of the video... he's overrated in the sense of people still think he can win with him being the number one option which the video proves he's not that guy. He's a one on one nightmare sure, but that's it.
couldn't keep watching after you said the 08 Nuggets a slightly better than average team that didn't get out of the first round, were comparable to the 2012 Thunder with 3 future MVPs, Serge 'Iblocka', and a run to the finals, come on fam
It's pretty disingenuous to say "Hey, these guys were better later on, so I will assume they were just as good back then". It's like me saying rookie LeBron could match up well one-on-one with a prime Jordan. A really stupid claim to make.
Even his one year at Syracuse, Gerry McNamara and Hakeem Warrick were the two leaders of that squad.
The days when 50 and 32 put you at the 8th seed 😞
Id take a prime Tmac or prime Drose any day.over Melo....and Melo messed up his legacy when he chosed money over glory, thats all i have to say
He is about to ruin the rockets now. They lost good defenders and got a non defender
If Melo was an elite defender or at least hard working on that end, he’d be in the league still
Westbrook is overrated he even got an mvp
Carmelo needs a real point like Billups, the closest he ever had to that was Jason Kidd, in order for Melo to win he has to be a second or third option unfortunately.
Andre Miller was a real PG too. They traded him away for AI because Melo got suspended for 15 games
Your team comparison strategy is so flawed bc there's so many factors beyond 5-6 players that effect wins esp in different seasons and definitely in different decades
Shut up Addison! And stop making so much damn sense!
Cant argue he's trash and overrated tho
Cal Schmidt I will never forgive him for pushing Lin and D’iantoni out of NY the team was better without Melo. He got jealous thats just sad
0:42 those slow mo intros look cool af
2012 harden is so much better than jr ever was. it is not even funny. come on
Wasn't that 08 nugget team the 8th seed
Jr Jr They could have ranked much higher with that team.
Melo definitely not overrated. We talking about a 1st ballot Hof player a career 25 ppg scored of course he isn't LeBron or Jordan but who TF is. Kobe never shot over 50 percent for a season ok and during Kobe 35ppg year he took almost 28 shots a game harden is shooting 25 shots again melo 22 shots the Knicks were terrible before melo made them a playoff contender and he took a nuggets team that had a top 3 pick to the playoffs as a rookie smh put some respect on that man name
Lmaooooo thats why he's signed to the couch casual
I wish Detroit would have just drafted him, him and Chauncy would have won multiple Chip's
demosthene brignol I think about that shit everyday man I'm from the D I was so pissed we didn't get him
Darko Milicic 🤣🤣
Demo B right his legacy would have been so much better.
He wouldn't have won shit with Detroit. Not with his complete lack of defense.
Xavier Vega he would’ve been a system. Sheed was playing that shit. He was going play D.
Melo will be the greatest player in the Chinese League
Some good arguments, but you really can't compare teams with similar type players to each other because you have to look at who they're competing against. In 2009 Carmelo's team lost to the eventual champion Lakers, in 2013 they lost to a Pacer team that took LeBron's Heat to 7 games etc. For example, with Allen Iverson, the year he made it to the finals in 2001 was probably one of the worst years in the history of the eastern conference. I'm just saying that every year is different and you have to take that into account.
Eastern Conference since after the Jordan era was watered down. 2003 Eastern Conference was weaker than 2001 East in my opinion. 2001 was a weak year for the East as well.
@@sedcdf facts bro
I agree with the statement, but even with context Melo underachieved. When he played in the really weak Eastern conference he didn't showed up.
Um he didn't even make it out the east with a horrible eastern conference to say memo was unlucky every year on his career undermines your credibility memo is selfish doesn't make people better and slows down the ball too much
@@omararreola5449 exactly, it's being proven numerous times that when he's the primary option and ball handler he doesn't lead he's team to success. Also, Melo don't have any excuse like T-Mac, Chris Paul and other players in terms of "lack of success" because of injuries. He's plainly just an underachiever, overhyped and overated ball hog and shot chucker
Pretty good video I'll subscribe
You have a lot of holes in your argument when comparing rosters you used players at their face value and did not break down Where those players were at in their careers
The reality is *Melo* still doesn't get it.....🤔
Dummy never did and him and his dense fans wonder why he's signed to the couch
@@KillaSmit20789 Yep they're all birds of a feather.....😄
if Melo never faced kobe he would have won a championship
Yeah that would definitely change the perspective of his legacy then
2009 was his best shot at a championship
That Nuggets team was not beating 09 Orlando Magic. Nah! Even the Lakers winning 4-1 didn't tell the whole story. They had to grind it out and even rode their luck. Game winning layup opportunity missed by Courtney Lee in Game 2, Game 4 Jameer Nelson's whack defense on Fisher leading to the 3s on a night when Dwight put up a monster defensive performance (like 9 blocks I guess). That series, the Magic were a matchup nightmare with Hedo, Rashard and Dwight.
Carmelo has always been a low IQ olayer...no vision for the game other than tunnel for scoring stats...no lasting impact on any franchise. He's just not that good, what can you say?
He's not overrated, hes just not an all time top 50 player. If anything he was his generation's Mark Aguirre, a fine scorer from inside and out who never really became a team player, especially at their primes.
Aguirre figures it out once he became a Piston, adopted the team first mentality at the cost of his own stats but Anthony never did.
That said, Anthony IS the all-time leader in scoring in Olympic history on 3 gold medal winning teams, which in itself is a nice legacy.
He also passed the ball on those teams, which is infuriating when you see him play in the NBA. The ability was always there, he juat didn't buy into the team concept in the NBA
Bruh Melo is not overrated in fact he is underrated nowdays
Carmelo is a player that need a good point whos not intimidated by his ego to hold him down and carmelo is the best player on that nuggets team. ur not being fair to melo he had an over the hill allen iverson who was playing for his a contract which he never really got after that and iverson is a 2 guard not a point
Score 1st point gaurd
Or a combo gaurd
Vitor Hara Chauncy is one of the best leaders of that era. Also, anytime Melo had a competent PG his teams could at least be a threat in the playoffs. They were even passable with Raymomd Felton and old Jason Kid.
iverson was not over the hill
I always asked myself why Melo was always put in Top players talk
Jamaal Wilkes is not better than Carmelo Anthony
Dana NBT did you ever get to watch Wilkes play? He was phenomenal.
Nor is Adrian Dantley better
Dana NBT adam morrison was better
Aaries Harris Adrian Dantley yes he is, I cant speak for Jamaal Wilkes though, I haven’t really seen him play.
Jamaal was BADASS
I have always said melo needs an elite point guard who can get everyone involved if he wants to win. If Jayson kid came to the knicks in his prime that team would of won it all
3:59 "These two rosters are almost identical" - no. No they are not haha
I didn't even catch that. Man that was a reach lol
Excellent video, insight & observation... I learned a lot, I've watching all the videos of why he is being blackballed & he's not being blackballed, he did it to himself, the diva attitude, not evolving his craft & winning a championship & not being a team player... He wants a pass & not getting it... Best wishes to him...
pause at 2:06. damn kobe..
James Harden prolly sitting on 80 by now lol
Just don’t put the efficiency
Although I agree, I think that stuff you said about Iverson, Amare and Kenyon weren't very good with Melo, it's injuries also...
wow great video.. you hit that right on the button. SHOUT OUT to Phil Jackson, George Karl and Chauncey Billups
Carmelo=kobe without the rings
You have 3 videos in this series and not one of them about the most overrated player in NBA history, Kobe Bryant. At least nobody is putting Melo in the GOAT discussion.
kobe knew how to clinch the finals, not like that specialist in failure
@@RafsanS15 Yeah and Melo is nowhere near Kobe's level too.
Ooooohhhh.... nobody even wants to discuss that one! The truth would destroy that image
Such a shame too. When he came to NY man everyone thought that team was at east going to compete in the east finals. I remember thinking that we’d have some good Miami vs Knicks series. Such a shame
Why so many dislikes? This guy proves what he's saying with numbers...
revolution3481 it's not as accurate as it appears. Most dont count the ridiculous competition in the west in the 2000s. Lakers, Spurs, Timberwolves, Mavericks, Grizzlies, Jazz, Suns, King, Trail Blazers, Clips (one year), Warriors, Sonics, Hornets all made the Playoffs those years and I didn't count Melos Nuggets. 50 wins got you a low seed and you were likely to play an eventual champ in the first two rounds
Who's here after Melo's resurgence on the Blazers?
He's an inefficient volume shooter who has never won anything. He's an average player.
Enough beating a dead horse, let him know that his talents are not longer needed, he made his money, lots of money, but a ring is out of the question, at least as the center piece of a team, that train departed years ago
Who have been their teammates in these productive years, for each player listed. The reason I ask is because Carmelo probably is the only player without an all-star caliber player on his team.
lebron in 06 had NOBODY
The bottom line people are so salty on Carmelo is because he never played real defense and never made anyone around him better. Not to mention his leadership was very lacking.
Yall got the game fucked up its not his fault he never played for a good coach with a system and he never played with a great player you can't compare Billups to Magic... Melo creates his own shot they don't run plays for him get ya facts right
He played for George Carl
Rogue Star George who?
Jr Jr George Karl is a legendary coach, he was top 5 in wins until just this year when Pop passed him. Mike Dantoni is a great coach too asking him to coach a stubborn ball dominant loser like Melo is a recipe for disaster, Mike Woodson is a good coach too. You're talking out of your ass. Compare his coaches to say...LeBrons and it's laughable.
Lala done fucked him up !!!!
Finally ive been making this argurment for yrs
james harden win % is above currys who has won titles
All I see in this video is absolute cherry picking. Sad, and it isn't even very good at that. Jason Kidd 2011 or Tyson Chandler 2011 =/= Jason Kidd 2013 or Tyson Chandler 2013. JR was hella inconsistent, and I'm dumbfounded how you could possibly equate the Matrix with Shump. Pace, space, and Melo's shot making fueled that team yet you leave out that without other players around him actually contributing: JR averaging 13 points on 29%, Felton 11/3/4 on 41%, Shump 10 on 38%, Chandler just 6 and 6, Amar'e with 4 points on 38%... meanwhile Melo averaged 28/8 with 43/35/87 splits... including 39 on 52% shooting in Game 6 where only Iman Shumpert was effective besides him... but noooooooo, Melo brought the team down... You're a hater
i mean thats all good and all but melo cant lead a team look at what he is doing to okc
Kidd khamalah he’s not supposed to be the leader on okc thats Russ’s job
Grislock ok but until 4 games ago he was the main reason chemistry in okc wasn’t working out. He stops the ball too much and he can’t even be a spot up shooter which you’d think would be the perfect thing for his career
Kidd khamalah
he old now nigga chill, compare this melo to 08 melo
BILLYthe FROG melo in his prime wasn’t bad but he just wasn’t great enough to be compared to the players he was compared to
When you consider how little of a willing passer Carmelo Anthony was compared to the other top scorers mentioned it isn’t that surprising that he was less efficient.
I would say there are more overrated players than he though, as he has never been thought of as a defender, passer, rebounder etc. just a scorer and only really an iso one at that.
I would say a better comparison would be Joe Johnson, to whom despite injuries Carmelo was better individually, but I would probably prefer Joe on my team given the option.
Iverson and melo didn’t work cuz AI still wanted to b the guy
Video made two years ago STILL applicable
imma jus give u the facts when Melo plays with a pure point look how far his team go look it up..but how can he win when Iverson Westbrook and D Rose were his PGs
Yo don't diss the answer bro
Jared Abraham Cid FDA trust me I’m not AI is basically the goat. What I’m saying is for Melo’s style scoring PGs never worked good wit him. He needed a CP3/Rondo type PG.
@@freezhollywood you mean an ineffective scoring
The truth hurts!
Camparing melo to wade lebron and kobe is bullshit
This is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. Melo has been on a building team every year except for 2 seasons. One of those was a WCF appearance and the other was a 2nd seed in the east. Furthermore Carmelo is an extremely underrated perimeter defender. Sure, sometimes he is lazy off ball defense, but he gets a bad rap because he wasn't a good defender in his early years. They should have done better in 2008 but Iverson and Melo's games weren't compatible like Durant and Westbrook. Iverson and Melo both need the ball to score whereas Durant and Westbrook are better athletically so they can score off ball. Now in NY carmelo is being punished because Phil traded Jr, Shumpert, Hardaway and signed a declining Amare Stodamire.
I'd go as far as to say Carmelo is one of the most underrated players of all time because of the sheer disrespect he recieves all the time.
Milan Pezos exactly. Chauncey billups
Lol
PREACH
this man said kd and russ wernt compatible
funny
I agree with a lot of what you said, but Melo is definitely a top 15 SF and if not, then 16, not to mention a guaranteed first ballot HOFer. He did his thing in the NBA, just wasn't good enough to get a championship. He did make his teams better though considering teams he led seldom missed the playoffs, they were just never cohesive enough to transcend. His impact is similar to T-Mac just less flashy and more consistent.
And scoring is more then just how much points its about the ways you can score and tell me outta everyone on thst list who can score in more ways the melo besides kobe ill wait
2double0 Ima harden Stan but I got no choice but to completely agree with you Melos footwork and form is just fucking beautiful to look at
zai green Durants a Way better Scorer then Melo. Jordans better. Wilt. Larry Bird. Steve Nash in His prime.
Melo can only score from midrange, which is useless in today’s game
He can score from anywhere that’s the point Witt can’t shoot free throws let alone threes idk what you are talking about
Drippy Jay Steve Nash? Tf.
Great video . Melo hasn’t made any impact . He’s career has been overlooked just because he can score . He doesn’t run back on transition, he’s not a leader , he has been playing the same since he came into the league , and he doesn’t play defense .The only reason why he would make the Hall of Frame , is just because he scored the ball.
All those players had better teams so this doesn't make sense
But... but he got those endless jab steps.
I was with you when you said Amare and AI stopped making all Nba teams when playing with Melo. Correct me if I'm wrong. Did Amare not get injured first round against Boston and NEVER return to Pheonix form. AI was on his last legs got traded to Detroit and fizzled out. U give such a jaded bias "I dont like Melo" opinion it's so annoying lol. U mix advanced stats with the fact u dont like him. Melo is first ballot hes most definitely one of the best players at his position all time. He got drafted in 2003 u wanted to see him making first team all nba against prime Dirk KG Tim Duncan Lebron Vince in his prime Paul Pierce prime Bosh Tmac lmaoo.. 2 foward spots on an all Nba team and u discounting him for not making first team and Dirk made in twice in 20 years and it coulda easily been argued he be left off. Dominique is overrated then Alex English is too Grant hill didnt play enough to be In the conversation. Your points are so corny lol
Of course its always the stupid Melo fans that make endless excuses smh.
@@JKTProductionzIncNCo and it's the Melo haters that blame him for everything
Wow 50-32? An 8th seed? That would be like 2nd in the east. Geez the western conference is no joke.
Big L
In Me7o We Trust
How? Did you not watch the video???
Melo is trash
Hahahahhaha melo pg and westbrick lost to a rookie in the 1st round. melo is garbage i dunno how the fuck people like him
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I think Carmelo always thought he was better than he really was....
This video is stupid, it tells how carmelo anthonys team does good until the playoffs, but if you actually watched these series you would see that everyone on melos team would crumble under pressure besides him and they would lose its not his fault his teamates cant handle the playoffs
Justin Money Melo isn't that good
J He never missed the playoffs his entire career until 2013-14 where his second best player was jr smith
J Larry was a good shooter Daniel Gibson was decent i forgot da center name but he had a post game and a mid range Eric snow was ass
Justin Money Thank You I just posted a similar comment This nigga is fuckin dumb. I just watched this outta curiosity. Wasted 4 minutes of my life!!!
no, it really is his fault.
He's got Adrian Dantley-itus. Same shit, different era.
Nice analysis - would be good if you can analyse why OKC have failed this year to meet expectations. I'm sure it will be a combination of having Anthony and Westbrook on the same team!
Yea Good point
he's not overrated bro
Col Conno how is overrated the only thing he's praised for is scoring not winning nun else just simply scoring it's videos and people like this who get all these extra ass stats dat no one talks about just to say sum one isn't good and those same people can't even score 10 points in a d2 college league
Col Conno bruh at the end of day would u be scared if u had 10 seconds on the clock and Melo had the ball on a iso cuz ion think u would that's a 97% guaranteed bucket and no I'm not a Melo fan
+Col Conno never a top 10 player? In 2012-13 Melo finished 3rd in MVP voting. Name 10 players who were better than him that year. I'll wait......
MegaTank40 Westbrook Durant Paul George LeBron Kobe (When Healthy) Dwight Howard Chris Paul Dywane Wade Blake Griffin D-Rose (In his prime)
thatonekid ok Blake Griffin over Carmelo? based on what?
I wish OKC would have watched this before getting Melo. I always hated his lack of defense.
Ur a idiot
Chris bosh, Dwayne wade and Kevin loves numbers dropped after playing with LeBron.
Wade's numbers dropped because of injury. Bosh and Love went from being first options on shitty teams to #3 options on championship contenders. Only a cretin would expect their numbers to stay the same.
Plus Lebron's team always contend for the title. Melo couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, then lost to a Utah team led by a rookie with Russell Westbrook and Paul George on his team.
Dwade numbers didnt drrop he got hurt and love and bosh just played a smaller role kyrie went from a 19ppg scorer to avg 26 a game with lebron
Morpheus Unplugged yea well their number of championship rings increased so....
Did anybody else notice that Kobe scored 45+ points 45 times in his career?! Why is this never brought up that is an insane statistic!