Carbon Monoxide - can you run your heater indoors?
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2022
- GET A CARBON MONOXIDE ALARM!
Now that's covered. If you can, you should vent the exhaust outside. But if you must, you can run a heater indoors so long as you have the appropriate CO alarm and a good tune on your heater.
There are health risks associated with long-term low-level CO exposure. But these are also the same ones from smoking, living next to a busy road, and working near anything burning.
Make the right decision for you.
Did I mention, GET A CARBON MONOXIDE ALARM!
*There is a slight factual error in this video. I misspoke when I said you breathe out CO at the same rate you absorb it. It takes about twice as long in fresh air, less if you are given oxygen.
I bought a red box diesel heater & an alarm and ran the heater on the bench to test it - good job I did, it had a small wiring fault from the factory; as it didn't set the alarm off I thought the alarm was faulty too! Thanks, this makes me feel much better about both.
Ace 👍 I bought both my heater and monoxide alarm together, exhaust is venting through a hole in the wall to the outside, I bought the alarm just in case the machine developed a fault, Great and clear video 👍
Helloooo Dave, love your videos, happy Christmas to you and all your fans
Thanks for all your hard work big fan!
Interesting test. I like how your model of CO detector has a bar display for over time exposure.
Great video. Very helpful and informative.
I've been running my diesel heater with the exhaust into a ventilation system duct in my garage, as it was convenient. The exhaust relies on convection current to pull the fumes out as I do not have the extraction on unless I'm welding or making a lot of smoke in some way. I do realize that you can't rely on smell, but very time I catch a smallest smell of fumes, I become hyper alert and start checking to see if I have any symptoms.
My x girlfriend had a uncle and cousin that built their own camper setup. They had a propane heater / furnace in it and I believe on their first outing, they both died in their sleep. I don't know any of the details of the heater /camper, only that it was home made and something wasn't done correctly.
The bottom line is "get a carbon monoxide detector, but I feel like propane and natural gas are some of the most dangerous as they burn quite clean. I'm a mechanic, and it has been my experience that any running engine will become intolerable long before it is harmful, but perhaps I'm just more sensitive than others.
Again, great video that will probably save lives 👍
Funnily enough I was looking at exactly this just last week. With exactly the same Fire Angel alarm too. I have a new Lavaner 2kWh heater and was testing it and my new Afterburner in my garage (which is pretty draughty, granted). I haven't worked out exactly how I will install the heater so I decided to run the heater with the exhaust venting indoors just to test things. Not wanting to drop off my perch earlier than planned I placed the Fire Angel alarm about a foot away for the exhaust. I saw just 13 to 15ppm after a few of hours of buggering about running the heater. I'm highly impressed by how clean the Lavaner burns as 10 to 15ppm is the generally acceptable range for a properly installed and vented gas boiler like you would find inside a typical house, but my garage is like a sieve...apart from the high risk of convulsions, coma, and death the smell of diesel is absolutely bogging. A good video and an even better warning about CO!
Great video as always 👍
Great video with some humor thrown in!
I bet the generator runs even worse when it is loaded up too!
excellent info. this winter i am using solar pv/ large battery bank/ grid/ portable heat pumps/ 3x 1500w resistive heaters and a 33kbti kerosene heater that is not vented for heat this winter. obviously i want to use solar as much as i can but it hasnt shinned here but only once in the last 3 weeks, so the grid has been powering my heat pumps. the heat pumps are producing heat but not very much when its -9f outside and windy as can be with this crazy storm we are now dealing with here in the usa. i love having several systems that are keeping the house livable. today i had to fire up the kerosene heater to get the heat above 62f in the house, 64f is my target temp. i have a air quality device and it tells me about co, but it has no alarm, so thanks to this video i just ordered a co alarm.
Good video - loving the no-nonsense instruction to get a CO meter/alarm 😀
The issue I have with these types of heaters is not just the carbon monoxide but also the other emissions - nitrous oxides, carbon dioxide, particulates and sulphur compounds. I think I might be more susceptible to these other pollutants to alert me not to be in the area before CO would become a problem. The smell, slight dizziness and occasional stinging eyes lets me know I shouldn't be hanging around.
Your senses are generally good enough to save you. Watch out for propaganda though. CO2 is not a pollutant.
Thank you for what you do.
Thanks David for sharing yet another awesome video about diesel heaters.
I think that diesel heaters can become quite dangerous if they have been turned into a black smoke generator by someone who does not understand the stoichiometric combustion.
If the combustion is lacking oxigene it is producing high amounts of carbomonoxide. Tweaking the dose pump rate the wrong way can be really dangerous.
Under normal conditions diesel heaters are running amazingly clean.
Very good advice and I'm glad you finally covered this topic. I've been running one for past 3 weeks indoors, first thing I did was put CO alarm in the room. House is pretty old and draughty though so wasn't expecting any problems as out of the box they run really clean.
Biggest danger to me is the temp of the exhaust! I made feet for mine to raise it up way above floor level, slightly larger on the front so the unit tilts backwards and doesn't crap out with 1L of fuel still in the tank (don't want full 5L tank indoors in case of a leak). Also a thick sheet of wood underneath the whole thing in case the exhaust was to fall off. Wood for 2 reasons, non conductive so safe to pick up and also will produce smoke and set off smoke alarm if the exhaust did fall off. Still won't run it when I'm out and turn it off 15 mins before.
Crazy though it can heat my room up to a toasty 22c while it was -6 outside and do so for 6+ hours for the price of running CH for 1 hour, and the rads struggle to raise the temp to 18c in a hour on a cold morning. Bargain.
Only downsides are pretty minor. The smell for first 5 minutes until it warms up and upon shutdown, the risk of a hot shutdown if there's a power cut and it causes some condensation to have one really warm room. I may invest in a small 12v battery to power it in parallel for power cuts and running extractor fans helps with condensation.
I put exhaust sleeving on mine and like you it sits on a slab of wood.
The advise given was not accurate. Check out Carbon monoxide charity for more information. Best wishes Andy
@@andywall2401 Appreciate the concern Andy. While I do acknowledge that indoor running is not ideal bear in mind UK homes are some of the most leaky in Europe if not the world, especially older ones. I for one wouldn't consider mine a confined space. Have plenty of unwanted ventilation already hence the struggle to keep warm with CH. Cold homes also have inherent risks. Now running one in a new build with triple glazing and super insulation probably not good idea agree.
Hello an happy Christmas and merry new year to my good friend David hope you and family is well
5:34 Hello David, Just so you know the FireAngle CO-9D can be put into test mode which increases its measurement frequency.
This is an extract from the user manual;
Hold the Test/Silence button down until the spanner icon appears in the bottom left hand corner of the screen and the bar graph ‘scans’ from left to
right. This indicates the alarm is in sensor test mode where the sampling rate of the sensor has increased and the alarm can be tested using a known source of CO.
This will deplete the battery quicker but useful if you want dual verification of CO using the FireAngel and your handheld tester at similar sample rates.
Might make a good video to convert a FireAngel to a handheld tester similar to your brought version.
Thank you for all the videos on these heaters. Been an invaluable resource in the installation of my “cheap Chinese” diesel heater 👍🏼
Mark
Good info, well explained and demonstrated.
One point - you mentioned that you exhale CO at the same rate you breathe it in but if my hazy recollection of human biology serves I seem to recall that CO binds more strongly to haemoglobin and is therefore not released as readily into the lungs. I'm more than willing to be corrected on this point though!
Yes. After reading more articles, while you do exhale it like CO2 it takes about twice as long in normal air. Takes less time if you are treated with oxygen.
Yes 240 times the affinity ( COHb )
I agree , here's to Craig sending the UK some Lavaner pro max alpine 5kw next year .....should auto tune the fuel air mixture . I'm off to buy some CO meters now...
Placement of the CO detector in your home is really important as well! Please read the instructions on this device guys!
These should be in every home, regardless of the type of heating system you have. Yes, even if you have a total electric home, there are other ways CO can get into your home.
I have three CO detectors in my home. All are name brand and even have speech output. The cost is irrelevant when it comes to saving your families life!
I've been in the utility industry for 37 years and have seen the results of what CO can do. Don't skimp on this one.
Great video. Thanks for taking time to make this one!
Good idea.
Great video. You've probably saved a life.
CO is not a problem as long there a little air flow, i'm more worried about nitrogen oxides! if you will make a video a bout that i will grateful, thanks for the video :)
Good advice. Mind you, can't really has a smoke alarm in my shed. It would go nuts when arc welding or doing smokey machining.
That's why I've only got the CO alarms and not smoke alarms in there.
fantastic video, always wondered how much they kick out, so now i am wondering how much better it would heat if the exhaust was not taken outside, my workshop is not the best and has a bit too much ventilation so takes a while to heat up.
The advice in this video is misleading and dangerous. Checkout Dr David Penny - seek advise from a carbon monoxide charity.
Excellent show as usual. Perhaps you could do something similar on flammable gas, floaty and sinky types.l, explosive mixtures. I don't know anyone else that has a methane detector in the camper or caravan. I know the pool needs chlorine but these people are taking out innocent victims.
Thanks
Glyn
Just one point to mention . You will soon lower the oxygen content in the air in a room with internal exhaust. This will cause vitiated air to be drawn into the combustion process resulting in non stoiciometric combustion, which inturn will rapidly produce more CO . An excellent video may I say. !!!
"soon" dependent on room volume.
Very true. But with your CO alarm you'll know this and stop using the heater and seek clear air.
There is slow carbomonoxide poisoning, takes weeks and vague health issues
I did what you did for whole winter last year in the conservatory and exhaust into conservatory using the same fire angel CO detector as yourself. Never registered anything dawn until bed. Only issue was condensation. Air intake in same room. Windows on Trickle 400-800 mm2 of ventilation.
In the States the time tested brands for Fire and CO alarms are First Alert and Kidde. Those are the only brands I will purchase. People that buy no-name, or inexpensive units only put their life and family at risk. For $5.00 versus $30-$60, Yeah save up for the brand name and call it insurance. Also placement is important as well.
Thanks for the Mc'Scolding. Lol.
I have CO detectors everywhere. I have 2 of the fire angels like yours. Never had even 1ppm showing. Venting inside my warehouse is fine as its huge and draughty.
Thank you another great and straight vid. Just been going through your vids to see if you tried an air to air heat exchanger on the exhaust,( just like vw air cooled engines used for cabin heat) you only seemed to have done exhaust to heat water . I'm thinking it could be done by using air coming out of the air heater or a separate air supply. Any ideas?
I've had a few commenters who have piped the exhaust through a domestic radiator to recover the waste exhaust heat.
I was actually thinking about this 20 mins ago so cheers :)
However the Gov also promoted and advertised Smoking... so.. they know shit. I am in Glasgow and I have a FA detector also. In my motorhome I had to crack a window anyway as it got too hot - no difference in a house is there. They still do a grand job
Die Melder von FireAngle sind top, hab ich auch bei jeder Heizung bei ....👌
(reagiert auch auf Alkohol)
Using a 8kw heater in the kitchen for two weeks. The exhaust i put in the chimney channel. But since the use of the heater a CO meter is used also for safety. Till now no issues at all! We have to use our common sence!!
I run a cheap ppm carbon monoxide detector to a normally closed manual reset relay between heater and battery/power source. If a preset ppm of carbon monoxide is detected it sends power down a trigger wire to the relay which cuts power. The Relay has to be manually reset to closed position for the heater to restart.
David I've got 2 in my off grid van I sent you pics of why 2, you ask ???? Because you never know when a carbon monoxide detector is going to take a shit an quit working or a battery go dead an not give any signs of low battery life theres defects in everything made and I'm not a fuvking cat my old ass dont have 9 lives lmfao another great video and full of life saving information that's off to you my friend
I just Drilled a 1" hole through my cabin wall.
I noticed that the exhaust pipe became quite hot. Like 60-70°C.
So I'm getting a used baby radiator (like you see often in small home toilets) and I'll pass the hot fumes through it, then out. That way I keep virtually all heat inside my cabin
They are great little heaters, but I still stick the exhaust outside. There's more than CO in the fumes
Costs nout... :-)
Hello David, how clean should you be able to get a Lavaner Pro 2kw heater tuned down to or do they usually run fairly clean? 30 ppm or lower? Thank's for sharing all your video's will us,I appreciate your time.
The Lavaners are factory set, and if memory serves me correctly, when I checked at the time it had a pretty low CO output.
@David McLuckie I believe in that older video your said the Lavaner was reading 30ppm of C0. and said it was pretty good. What I'm trying to do is to get a little less heat output when it cuts back to its low idle setting but I want it to run as clean as possible. Thanks David I appreciate your time and enjoy your videos.
Ha Ha, if things go terribly wrong mate, it'll probably be too late to sue 🤣thanks for the vid
David. I’m planning on buying a diesel heater. I have watched so many videos and find that you have the most experience on these heater. My question is your recommendation on witch one to buy and the most reliable and longest running with out a major overhaul?
Eberspacher, Webasto, Lavaner, Autoterm - in that order. The rest like Vevor, MaxPeedingRods, Hcalory are all much a muchness.
So if I run a diesel heater on methanol if that is if it is viable, is it a good idea with these contained units, that is the boxed systems with the fuel tank next to the unit in the case, given it has a low flashpoint. Is that a bad process? I got the Phat one ie 5-8K. My idea is to run it exterior to the building anyway but how safe would it be if run interior given the low flashpoint and with the exhaust piped up a chimney.
Can you make video for fine tune menu for the red one ??
My diesel heater was having problems (possibly due to a loose glow plug and soot fouling), on start up it could shoot flame out of the exhaust, sometimes just showers of red hot soot particles, so I'd definitely not say it is ever a good idea to have the exhaust of one of these things indoors, or anywhere near anything flammable. Which brings me to my burning question for a video idea, the manual says the exhaust should only be a certain length, what effect does a longer exhaust have on the heater?
I imagine it would increase the back-pressure on the exhaust so making the engine work harder than designed to expel the gases. I think that it is assumed the silencer is fitted, though.
It’s out of topic, but i saw webasto air heater have smaler fuel inlet hole on heater itself. Could you make video with Chinese diesel heater what happens if you make smaller fuel inlet before burning chamber or somewhere after plastic hose? I’m curious what will happen or it’s gonna run to lean or more efficient 🙂 Sorry for bad English
I used to know a cop who had one attached to the passenger seat of his police car. He was a bit over cautious
David, have you worked out a way to tune the yellow triclicks heater?
Am I correct in saying its done by the control panel on other models but the yellow heater is not the same as most others out there on the market. Just curious how it's done as I have one too.
I've found the 'elevation mode' and another weird menu, but so far nothing that looks like the old tuning menu.
Very interesting stuff. I've got a diesel heater (5kw Chinese one) how do you actually "tune" it for optimum performance? I have also heard they prefer to run full power as running on low temperatures causes carbon build up or something? You advice would be appreciated. Just gonna order a "Fu@king carbonmanoxide detector" 👍
I use the yellow CO detector. And if your ECU will allow, turn the fueling up/down until you little or no CO readings from the exhaust. Most heaters come reading about 10PPM but I've had some come with weird settings and hosing out CO.
@@DavidMcLuckie David, useful vids, thanks. I have a Vevor with new type control unit that doesn't seem to allow fuelling adjustment. Could I make it run a bit leaner by simply increasing the head-height the pump has to pull? i.e. put the fuel tank down on the floor rather than halfway up the wall.
Hi you seem to know your stuff on these heaters :0
i have ones of these in the garage what are your thoughts on adding say a Wynns Diesel Clean (Extreme Cleaner) or diesel redex to the tank to try and keep it cleaner and keep the carbon build up down?
check out Lowered expectations on youtube he tries lots of this kind of thing.
I'm running my diesel heater in my workshop on bio ethanol fuel instead of diesel fuel which is much safer but i still vent the exhaust outside.
I have a night heater in my Renault traffic trailer and carbon monoxide detector and it's never went off once as the heater exhaust is outside and it's air filter is outside
David whats a healthy human? 😂 i like your interpretation of Odourless/smellerless
Amazon do a air purifier monitor. Fantastic bit of kit works alongside Alexa and can switch on air purifiers or light or anything. It send you alert on your phone .
When I was young in early 60's we had the Wick parafin heater one upstairs and downstairs they stank the house with oil smell and there was no sensors then.
yes but in those days houses had chimneys and plenty of ventilation these days houses are sealed up to stop draughts.
@@oojimmyflip yes you shouldn't even burn candles in homes nowadays because they contain parifin.
Great vid,
I have a summer merch idea for you David. Greetings T shirts with a button you press and it says Hellllllllllllllllllo! For the more adventurous you could also have F...k me or F...k off .
If you could get that viral you make millions and do bigger projects like moon salvage recovery like in the TV series Salvage one.
Top man, keep going, love it
I've 2 diesel heaters running in my workshop with exhaust going into a far corner. 40ftx30ftx10ft high. Plenty of unwanted ventilation and never had a reading above 18ppm. Even after 6hrs still nothing above 18 and less if there's any wind
your PPM should be zero , sounds like your heaters are over fueling and the fan speed is to low, once I sorted these out my PPM readings have dropped from 30 PPM to zero.
@@oojimmyflip 18 is the best I can get. I'm next to a main road with lots of traffic and people parking outside the shutters of the workshop eating as next door to a very busy sandwich shop and cafe plus I use kerosene with a capful of oil mixed in for lubrication of the pump ( kerosene is not oily like diesel) but is less than half the price . 18ppm is half the recommended ppm so happy and still here after 2 years of buying them both. Thanks anyway
@@paulbrammer1513 check your glow plug rubber seals make sure they are not deformed by heat ie oval in shape like one of ours was, I reseated mine with rubberized heat proof silicone and the carbon monoxide went from 33 parts per million to zero. maybe route the exhausts outside, its a lot easier to do when your alive.
I had to take the batteries out of my CO alarm as the noise was giving me a headache.... 🤣
have you tried running the air pick-up for the burner to suck in warm air from the air heater? would this help combustion? or even preheated fuel (oil)
Colder air is denser and so contains more oxygen per unit volume. SOmething to factor in when adjusting fuel/air ratio.
Did we just witness the first Big Dave Safety PSA?
Hello David.
Do you mesure any difference in CO concentration if you measure on the floor, or higher, like near the ceilling?
Cheers.
higher as thats where they should be mounted 0.9 meters from the ceiling maximum. carbon monoxide is lighter than air.
@@oojimmyflip Thanks
Whilst CO is slightly less dense than air it does NOT rise to the ceiling. It mixes almost perfectly with the air. So it doesn't matter where you place them, but somewhere you can see and hear it.
@oojimmyflip. Yes and no. CO is slightly less dense but readily mixes with air. Combined smoke and CO alarms are mounted on the ceiling for this reason.
@@DavidMcLuckie Thanks for that David appreciated. i read the Chinglish instructions a lot of people dont these days. Interpretation can be difficult at the best of times.
I am in need of a motherboard for a 5kw heater. The board I need has 5 connectors from the heater to the board , the case is blue in color . All the boards I find for sale are black and have 3 connectors. Where can I find the board I need ?
I'd need to see a picture of the board. I haven't seen five connectors on a board.
Have you ever put a chinese motherboard and contolbox into a webasto airtop evo 4 thanks Dave
I've never even used a real Airtop.
Years ago my girlfriend called me panicking. The student house she was sharing had a CO alarm going off. I was nowhere close. Told her to open windows and get everyone out. They called the firebrigade. Turned out to be a leaking butane cylinder on an unlit camping stove. Didn't realise that would trigger it. Unless she was mistaken of course.
There are a number of gasses which the detectors can mistake for CO. But better to assume it is CO.
I am planning to install my diesel heater outside meaning the air Intake for the air passing over the heat exchanger may drop to the minis figures.
What would happen if the air intake was taken from the 75mm warm air outlet would a overheat occur?
I wouldn't expect it to overheat no. You might need to retune for the change in air density from the hot air. I have designed a 3D model of an adaptor to do what you are thinking about but haven't had a chance to print and test it.
@@DavidMcLuckie wouldnt the ecu and motor be under threat from overheating esspecially in the cool down phase? Please print and make a video on this David?
im in corby plastic jock country , can you send me a diesel heater , as i can not afford to heat my home?
I keep the exhaust hooked to my cpap. It warms the air on these cool nights. I exhaust the blower air to the outside so I don't get overheated.
Is anyone else here craving a bowl of Lucky Charms while watching Scotty repair a warp engine in record time?
Sure glad captions work....his other job is air traffic controller
Might change the numbers radically adding 10 percent alcohol or methanol to the fuel
Is CO2 a heavy gas and settles down by the floor so therefore having that up on the shelf is kind of a misnomer you'd have to have it close to the floor to get an accurate reading of the CO2 cuz it sinks
CO2 is heavier yes. CO is not and readily mixes with air. As this is a CO alarm it can be anywhere in the room as the CO mixes with the air.
people associate C.Monixide levels produced by petrol combustion to that with combustion by diesel. Diesel combustion tends to NOT produce C.Monoxide as much as Petrol does
But that 30 was 2 going right? I think we have seen 1 go about 10-11? is the problem people having the intake inside too so they are just building it up and up?
Technically that was two going and the fireball firing up occasionally. You are correct, if in a closed space you burn the oxygen making CO, which makes there less oxygen to burn making more CO. But again a CO alarm would alert you to this.
@@DavidMcLuckie I still maintain that it is overfuling that causes carbon monoxide emissions and very black smoke at the exhaust which will be missed if the exhaust is outside. your carbon monoxide dector should be reaeding zero PPM. overfueling causes the glow plug breather hole to emit carbon monoxide. this blows intoi the casing and into your heated room. it is the only place that exhaust gasses or diesel fumes can enter your heated enviroment from. if it happens and you reduced your fuel input ligtht a jostick in front of the air intake to take away the diesel smell.
Even methanol heaters people are making produce CO. The cheap Amazon monitor reports 20PPM when using methanol in the fire but doesn't start alarming. The kiddie doesn't alarm either no matter what if your producing a flame of any kind your gonna produce some carbon and any heater is going require some sort of matinance to keep the levels as low as possible. It's fine to DIY or use alternative way to warm yourself I. Winter just be aware you need to keep things in good working order
How about chinese kerosene stove/heater?
I‘d never run a diesel heater or any other with the exhausts to the inside.
It’s not just CO but also CO2, which hasn’t been mentioned here. Both might make you wake up and find you are dead.
What would interest me: Do we get an CO with the diesel heater exhaust to the outside? Are they properly air tight? Could you hold the CO meter into the hot air flow at the outlet?
I have done it before. A properly sealed heater should have zero CO coming from the hot air outlet.
Have u tested it for no2 ? Diesiel puts out low co2 that low that a co2 detector probably wouldn’t detect it But on the other hand diesel heaters put out no2 and other poisonous fumes that a lone co2 detector can’t detect
so what you're saying is, if that is I read between the line as you weren't very clear, is that you think we should GET A FUCKING CARBON MONOXIED DETECTOR yes? Have a good Christmas and keep the videos coming :)
I'm running my Diesel heater in the basement vented to a 8" chimney. Only time I smell it is on start up. Not sure why, other then they give you shit clamps to hold the exhaust on. (not really air tight)
First off, like he says, get a carbon monoxide monitor / detector.
This could be a few things. 1. If you are using the muffler, it has a drain to allow condensate to come out the bottom and some smoke / fumes 100% come out of this hole. 2. I don't know what your 8" chimney consists of, but unless it has an extraction fan on it, it will depend on convection current (hot air rising) to start ventilating. When you first fire your diesel heater, the air in the 8" pipe probably isn't hot and therefore isn't rising, it will take some time to heat up and then it will be a self sustaining process. Also, the 8" pipe should have some way to breath other than through the diesel heater.
I'm not sure if you have a natural gas water heater in your home, but they use the same process. As with them, it is important to not have your 8" exhaust sealed. Meaning. The flu pipe on a water heater is not sealed directly to the top of the water tank. It actually sits on short legs that allow air from your house to enter the exhaust.
You also need to consider things like bathroom fans, oven range fans and any other system that will blow air out of the house / area. If you have a house that is well sealed and have two bathroom fans on and your oven range fan, you can cause a low pressure in your house causing air to actually pull air in through your 8" chimney, for example.
a smell of diesel on start up means its overfueling it is trying to extinguish its own flame by supplying to much fuel to the glow plug, try turning down the Hz /target temperature to half way before starting the heater. wait until it is hot or the glow plug goes out before increasing the temperature/pump speed esspecially with icy weather outside if the heater is ouside.
@@oojimmyflip Ahh, I will try that. It usually always starts on H3 and I immediately turn it to H6. I just figured the faster heat up, less carbon build up. Operator error perhaps. The instructions are useless. I can't find a way to set it to Fahrenheit.
@@oojimmyflip Are you saying that the smell of diesel on start up isn't 100% normal ? From what I've seen, the start up program is not related to the running duty cycle of the pump or fan speed settings and the heater will go through a start up process before entering the run cycle. I'm sure there are different units out there where you can change this, but from what I have seen, smoke on start up and shut down is 100% normal.
I have often thought that it would be nice to be able to control fan speed ramp up on start up, as mine tends to ramp up too quickly and cause it to flame out when it is cold, causing it to take more than one attempt to start.
@@JoelArseneaultUA-cam Yes the chimney can breathe/ flow air, since it is attached to a old boiler 80% cast iron, that I no longer use. As for the gas water heater, I used to have one in a different house, so I'm familiar with them.
No fans can draw air in from my chimney. I know what your talking about there. I live in a 1890's built farm house, plenty of air flow...lol.
Another commenter said to lower the fuel on start up which I will try. It likes to start at H3 and I jack it up to H6 immediately.
Thanks for the comment.
10:16 " if its logs your burning, diesel, waste oil, ANIMALS..... " Animal emits Co2 unless you burn them. Draft horses heat barn up very nicely but they emit a lot of moisture.
Co2 detector can’t detect no2 diesel fumes diesel burning appliances do produce co2 but at much lower levels than a petrol engine does it’s a nox detector that would be needed And they start around 3 to 400 quid
NOx does kill you as quickly as CO will though.
What about the smell? I can't stand the smell of the exhaust. Reason enough to vent it outside
It might be rather desensitized to all exhaust smells, probably all smells by now. But you are correct, that's another good reason to vent to outside.
When I bought my house a few years ago it had two hard wired smoke detectors. I don't have any fuel burning appliances so I don't really need a CO detector. Just because I was curious, I checked how much it would cost to buy a combination CO/smoke detector to replace the ones I already had. *Wow!* Something like $200, that's too much I thought, I don't really need them.
Then, a few days later, totally by chance there was a package left at my door. It was meant for a different person in a different state, somebody screwed up and sent it to the wrong house. Inside were the 2 CO/smoke detectors I had just thought were too expensive. They just plugged right into the connectors already installed, easier than changing a battery, and now they were free!
A few weeks after that, the power went out. I used a propane heater in the house. It wasn't burning that much and I thought it would be fine. Then I started to get a bad headache and really tired, so I was going to take a nap. Right as I lay down, the CO detector goes off! Oh shit, that's probably why I have a headache!
If I hadn't been accidentally sent the exact brand and model of CO detector that fits my house just a few weeks earlier, I'd likely be dead.
Could you run the exhaust through a chimey
I don't see why not. It's going outside. You might have to make a plate so the chimney doesn't just suck all the hot air out of the room though. :)
you might need a water trap of some kind for condensation.
If you run your heater indoors, does it invalidate your home insurance?
In my opinion it shouldn't, else candles wouldn't still be a thing.
Should I invest in a carbon monoxide alarm?
good question, A pint or a co detector? gosh thats a tough choice
It might save your life.
As David says "Get a Fking carmonoxide detector"🤣
For a true reading, the monitor should be at floor level, CO is heavier than air, another reason not to vent to a chimney.
You might want to check that. As CO is actually lighter than air, but it mixes too easily for it to rise.
@@DavidMcLuckie ok, I was of the understanding it was heavier, I worked for a firm of central heating plumbers, that's where I picked this snippet. Have a great new year. from E Europe where it's bloody cold right now!
I get a much higher reading just smoking a cigarette in the same room than I do from a diesel heater 😅 , get some smoking friends to test in your workshop , if you don't smoke leave the room first lol
A CO Detector should ideally be placed at the same height as mouth/Nose when Sleeping.
and less than a couple of Feet away.
Wrong.. they should be high level above the appliance.
So.......I can run my generator inside, right?.....or was that the third thing first?....;-)
Carbon monoxide poisoning is no joke. I was in my kitchen putting up a couple of speaker at cieling height and decided to boil some soup on the gas hob. I finished putting the speakers up, needless to say my head was at ceiling height during the install.
Around half an hour later I had cooked the soup, whilst I was putting the speakers up. I felt fine until I went down stairs to have the soup and suddenly I could not stand and rushed on hands and knees to puke in the w.c. My head was thumping so I left a note for the wife to say I wasn't feeling well, didn't realise it was the carbon monoxide from the hob, and went to bed.
The wife came home several hours later and I was feeling a lot better, what a dope I could have killed myself. Certainly have a lot more respecte for this silent and odourless killer these days.
buy a cooker hood and extract that carbon monoxide. cheapest at wickes these days.
@@oojimmyflip I have a metre long cooker hood over my range cooker, but at that time it was not venting outside but directly back into the kitchen due to the useless fitters who installed the kitchen cut corners. Thanks for the reply all the same.
Water vapor makes it uncomfortable warm inside. Put the exhaust outdoor and the problem is solved.
13:49 GET OUT RUNNNNN
I've always feared going to sleep then waking up dead
Waking up Dead ? hows that work ???😂
@@oojimmyflip I'm not sure, I've never done it before
The constant beeping gives me a sore head and makes me dizzy. I took the battery out mine 🤓
😜😜😜
Awesome video!
"Get a fucking carbon monoxide detector!!!!"
Definitely want a bumper sticker saying that.
Thank you for putting this public service announcement out here for the sheeple. Those poor ding bats need to be schooled in everything. LMAO 🤣
na dony work that way
What?
Tasteless
Odorless
Color less
So you've had my mother's cooking too.
Good advice
Don't go back inside until it's been ventilated and the bloody alarm stops ....
Failure to do so will result in Darwin award.
Posthumous.
Carbon monoxide also causes the following symptoms
Wearing orange clothing
A Scottish accent
Swearing 🤬
And a perpencity to hang out in sheds.
Merry Xmas mate from NZ
Is there a cost benefit over a CO Alarm versus a Fucking CO Alarm? I guess the latter has more amusement with it Fucking... :P
Get a what?
Brain.
Better yet, run your car indoor.
Dear David, WHO historically stated 9ppm and under was acceptable. Carbon monoxide alarms are set not to trigger until they have registered a level over time. The level in your blood (COHB) has a 4.5 hour half life so at 100ppm this will accumulate and attach to the haemoglobin in your blood. The vitiating process which you have not mentioned, expediently increases the levels dramatically. The affinity to carbon monoxide to your blood is 240 times greater than air (O) hence it sticks to your haemoglobin in your blood. Hence your blood is then unable to transport oxygen on the heam site which their are four on the haemoglobin. It then can’t transport the oxygen across the blood brain barrier. Please research DR David Penny from America - vitiation and chronic poisoning- brain damage. Long term health conditions following Co poisoning- contact NHS DIrect immediately for advise - remove yourself from the building should you be concerned. Should you attend hospital tell your medic about the half-life and exposer time and duration. Children and people already suffering health problems are at increased risk to the affects of Co poisoning.
Just so we are clear. I do recommend venting the exhaust outside. And I don't disagree with anything you've written. But I'll still be running my Fireball heater in the workshop.
i get a kick out of peoples perspective on chinese products, "do you trust this chinese ali express junk?" "you can trust this other chinese "tested" product" lol
I trust our test criteria and procedure. KM551504, BS EN 50291-1: 2018, EN 50291-2: 2019
I bet you a fiver you couldnt find anything in your house (non furnisher) thats not made in china
Is that per item or just the once, as in the 6 minutes it took me I found two things not made in China. Bank transfer ok? :)
@@DavidMcLuckie i have no doubts that the company importing the chinese products have thoroughly tested them.
@@DavidMcLuckie cooker and combi excluded
Dude we get more exposure fixing cars as mechanics !
We sure do. And we should also be very mindful of that as well.
dozens of carp fishermen have died this way using a gas heater in their bivvies
They didn't have a carbon monoxide alarm then.
Great video and reassuring that we have the same CO alarm. Even the missus stopped what she was doing, to listen in. Just want to add that in smaller, more sealed environments like a boat or campervan, any exhaust leakage is more serious due to (a) less ventilation and (b) you're not active like you are in a workshop so wouldn't necessarily notice the drowsiness, especially if you're snugged up with a tipple. This is a good, if sobering, read for anyone operating their heater in a smaller shed, boat or man-cave etc.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/607572d2d3bf7f400b462d33/2021-03-Diversion-Report.pdf