Should you BUY the New LECTRON BILLETRON 38 Carb - Breakdown and Install
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- In this video I will be reviewing and installing FOUR of the new Lectron BILLETRON 38 carburetors on my CR250, KX250, RM250, and YZ250 for the Throwback Two Stroke Garage Build Shootout by Lectron Fuel Systems. Check out the video for what has changed (FOR THE BETTER) with this new BILLETRON. I am super excited to get these brand new carbs on the bikes.
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Just got done installing a Billetron 38 and I am very impressed! There is absolutely no bog what so ever. It will go from a really low stable idle to full throttle like its fuel injected. No matter how good you tune a regular carb there is always some sort of hesitation if you snap the throttle open. Not with this carb. It makes my two stroke feel almost like a 4 stroke with how predictable and responsive the throttle is now. Amazing product!
Thanks for leaving that review of the BILLETRON, Paul! That is awesome that you are pumped on it.
Yeah that’s just not true at all lol a somewhat properly tuned carb never bogs lol doesn even have to be perfect and no bogging at all lol
@@GregHitchko I have a quick question when I rev my bike from idle to max throttle my bike Bogs out and dies is this normal and if not does this mean I have to adjust the carb settings to lean or rich?
He@@GregHitchko he is right I just put my lectron H on my yz125 2003 an it has no boggs it runs so good
I have the 36mm Lectron installed on a 2016 300 XCW. Bought it from a well known online retailer that catered to the 300 KTM's, and is it turned out, was too lean for lower altitude cold damp PNW riding conditions. When I refreshed the top end, I went directly to Lectrons site and ordered a new slide and metering rod using their chart to select the correct combo. The new richer metering rod made all the difference, bike runs great in the riding conditions for my locale and also gets phenomenal fuel mileage. For a day ride, I will fill up a little more than half a tank for the day. I don't have to worry unless I'm going more than 50 miles.
Great video, Greg!
Can't wait to finally rip them on the bikes for the shootout, coming REAL soon!
Not just one but you have 4 killer bikes, I just wanna see the yz kick all the others ass! Good shit man
Hahaha I'm so curious about that as well, thanks man!
Dude,!!! We do the same kind of stuff. I just got a billetron as a ttest mule for my 78' YZ 250, 95" RMX 250, and my 86' Husky WR400 . Can't wait. Had and "H" model on an 03' YZ 300. It lacked the snap of the PWK, but was smooth, and easy.
That's awesome dude! I'm really curious about a 300 kit on one of these 250s and how it would be. How did you like it?
So excited !!! its like candy shop .. :) Im saving money to buy a dirt bike 2 stroke hope in the spring to save enough ......
Keep saving that dough and you'll have a bike in no time mate!
I've been using the H series for last 3 years and it's been bomb proof .never had a issue never needed to clean it inside .. only now is it tired . The slides quite warn and the idle hangs loads but I still love it and it serves me well... Definitely itching for the new billetron tho 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
Big fan of the H-Series, it really is a solid carb. I never had any issues when I had the H-Series on my 07 KX250 🙌🏼
@@GregHitchkoI have the same one lectron H series an it runs good do u guys think it runs lean???
IMO
after owning two Lectrons 38H and 40mm/prob 7 different metering rods and one modded slide. Location Norway.
-I don`t like the claims about "more power", in general it`s very limited to how much power difference you see on a dyno with a Lectron or ANY other carb (given it`s the correct size and adjusted/JETTED.
- BUT what you DO, is FEEL a different power delivery. And when we talk about "feel" , it for sure feels different! The sound and idle sound is special with a Lectron for sure. And ppl in general normally has their carb set up to rich on 1/8-1/4 throttle. And in those cases Lectron will feel AMAZING opon installing it. For 250/300 KTM atleast, you can get the same amazing feel going from a shit setup to a 25usd NECJ needle and propper jetting.
- Lectron is by far the COOLEST looking carb tho, and for any build/bike I like seeing a cool carb :D as "bling" on a scale from 0-10, Lectron is a 11.
- Not always spot on adjusted. I think one error Lectron has done in the past is going to hard out on the carb being bolt-on and ride, no adjustments needed. in VERY many cases that I know about, the Lectron has needed adjustments. I think ppl comfuse "self adjusting to elivation change in temp" with "NO ADJUSTMENTS NEEDED AT ALL EVER" :P Carb still needs to be set up to the bike. No bike, location, fuel quality etc is the same. The best Lectron can do is to do a VERY good guesstimate to the pre adjsutments. You do STILL NEED TO MAKE SURE THE CARB adjusted correctly for your bike. I have seen seizures etc as a results of Lectrons being to lean right out of the box.
While buying a Lectron, first time setup and much more will be included in the instructions ( read the instructions ppl :P )
- My main problem, witch also caused me to give up on my Lectron at that point. Was that my float needle got stuck and caused my bike to stop while riding or not starting. Not very often, but this was a thing on both my 40mm and 38mm H. I know this is a thing thing Scandinavia atleast. Other locations migth have a lil different fuel than us. So i have no idea if this is fuel related or design related.
Would I buy a Lectron again? knowing that I migth have to spend quite some time getting it running perfect.
- If i had the budget, and wanted my bike to be special - YES!
- If i`m only looking for more power - NO
Thank for leaving such an in depth review of your experience my dude, this is incredible! I think where there might be some disconnect with those who struggle to get it to run correctly out of the box, is that they just purchase it without giving Lectron ALL and I mean very detailed specs about their bike. I believe I have had an incredible experience using a Lectron is because I gave Lectron every piece of information I could think of about my bike, such as: Pipe, Silencer, Squish Gap, Stock head, Fuel type (50:50 VP C12 and pump non ethanol 88 octane), elevation range, average temperatures of where I ride, ring end gap, vertex piston, type of reeds, type of spark plug, type of riding the bike was going to be used for, premix oil (maxima SuperM), premix ratio 32:1, etc, etc. The more you are able to provide them, the better they are able to dial in the carb for you, before sending it off.
For this reason, I didn't have to make any adjustments to mine when I got it. Is it a fool proof system to make sure it's going to run perfect and guarantee you won't need to adjust the metering rod a little when you get it? No, but it will certainly help you out for sure!
Thanks again for sharing your experience brother! Exactly the type of feedback this thread/video is looking for to be able to help potential riders. VERY curious about how the BILLETRON will compare to the H-Series out on the track!
@@GregHitchko I'm rly hyped to see more from the new ones too🤘
So many updates to a great carb
Not gona lie dude pretty gutted I just bought a H series lectron for my build and less than a week later I find out about the billetron 🤦♀️great content as always tho and can't wait to see the bikes in action 😎👊
Ahh no! But dude, you are going to love the H Series anyway, I really enjoyed it on my KX!
I did the same. Slavens racing said send it back since it’s unused, pay the extra, and we’ll ship it out. Wonderful carb.
Just installed & ran tb 12:45 e 38 Pro on my kids 02 CR250 that had a chyna man sudco copy Keihin pwk 38 (unknown jetting if any)
Lectron out of the box: idles awesome, amazing almost life changing low end grunt super torquey and no burbles anywhere. Id bet no flywheel weights needed for enduro. When I ordered gave Lectron my CA 91 gas situation w the Ethanol concerns, possible race gas instead, sea lvl to >5k ft elevations, riding type maybee a practice track day mixed w freeride/single track..
mods: just typical fmf system, boyeson reeds on stock head. I threw some VP110 just because I wanted no ethanol + leaded in there w MaximaM ~35.1 and it spooges out the pipe fine sounds and smells great lol. Bike just rides super smooth now no more midrange insta hit out of nowhere giving you false sense of power in one area...it makes power where it did not before and thats why the new pro w low end metering doesnt claim better fuel economy...its adding fuel where the previous versions werent down low( and why have stated argued lectrons are weak down low) ...well not not the PRO it hits early.
Once we get it out in open away from neighborhoods ill play w torque circuit and power circuit knobs. 12:45
It's been a few months since you left this comment about the Billetron PRO..
Do you still like it? I'm torn between the SmartCarb SC2 and the new Billetron PRO.
I have a 2003 rm250, and I usually just trail ride, would I benefit from a phathead? Also would I benefit with the lectern billatron 38??
I plan on adding a flywheel weight, changing sprockets
Good to see they have fixed some simple issues! Still cant beat a PWK airstriker though!
Dude its so much better, hard to beat the time it takes to make adjustments too!
Absolutely. Pwk airstriker is where it's at. I'd even do a mikuni tmx first. With the proper size needle jet, they're awesome carbs as well. Unfortunately everyone just plays with the mains and pilots and never change the needle jet or put a new seal kit in them.
@@shanewilliams8768 100% Ive had amazing results with the tmx after some slide and needle changes as well. No doubt The jet block gasket must be changed to use the carb at all.
Added Thumbscrews to my Lectron. Easy changes in minutes.
@@burstcasino Those thumb screws are amazing, they really make it a million times easier to work with the carb
Dont get how u only got 4.5k abos love the vids
Haha thanks my man! Slowly building it up
I hop you get bof some day great content (we are the detail lovers ^^ )
I am running a 38mm high velocity carb on my 2017 KTM 300 exc for 500+ hrs. it overall runs awesome, but I have noticed that it runs hot many times. My fan is on all the time. Couple of trips to Romania in the summer I had to take breaks on long hill climbs for radiators to cool down, otherwise I was boiling the coolant way too often - compared to my ride buddies on TPI bikes, who didnt have to do it. I was trying to make 1/4 turn richer metering rod from standard, but then it started bogging in low revs and was too rich. Fuel consumption went up significantly as well...
Any ideas if the new carb solves that? And how do these compare to SmartCarb2?
That's interesting Mikhail, I would have said to have turned it in a little more as well with the metering rod. I haven't heard of Lectrons making people's engines boil coolant like that. The new Billetron is just improved in all areas over the H-series carb. I also experienced improved fuel consumption as well. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with the Smart Carb!
Does anyone know if they still make one to Fit CRF150R ? I see the LECTRON H-SERIES CARB CRF150R but SOLD out
Love no more plugged pilot jets, Have you tried the SmartCarb?
Right! Love it. I have actually never tried the smart carb
How long did it take to get since you ordered? I just ordered mine and hoping it doesn’t take a month lol
NIce!! Not sure on these new Billetrons but usually a week or two since they need to set it up for your application
Do you have a discount code? Or do you know any that lectron offers
Unfortunately no discount codes for the Lectron, but definitely let them know that you watched this video if and when you talk to them about getting one 👍🏼
I guess there is a reason why Lectron still doesn’t use an O ring to seal the cap to the top of the carb, though they made substantial upgrades.
Couldn't tell you my dude! The gasket seems to seal just fine from my experience.
Your videos are really really good.
@@codycallaway2911 Thank you very much for the feedback Cody!
Just starting my shopping list for my 08 RM250 build. I checked on Rocky Mountain and the billetron is showing it's not compatible with the 08 RM. I'm assuming that's wrong... Do I need the regular billetron or the long body for the 08 RM? Really appreciate any help with this bike! I'm sure I'll have some more questions...
Great question Brandon, thank you for asking! You will need the short body one for the RM. They are pretty much interchangeable for those models. When they sent me these, I asked if there was a specific one to put on a certain model and they said no! On RM I would order the one for a 2005 YZ250. That will be the same one you need!
www.rockymountainatvmc.com/parts/lectron-billetron-adjustable-carburetor-p?ref=1057
You might need a different throttle cable though. Check the top of your stock carb and see if the throttle cable screws in or just slides in. The top of the Lectron requires a cable that screws in. If this is the case then you'll to grab a YZ250 throttle cable because they screw in to the top of the carb. I can't quite remember what the RM had!
But I want to assume that is why they "don't" have one for the RM. But rest assured that is the fix!
ALSO, do not forget to buy the metering rod tool as well. You will for sure need it to dial in the carb when you get it. I'd even turn it at least a 1/2 to full turn richer when you get the carb just to be safe that it's not running lean!
Let me know how else I can help my dude.
@@GregHitchko thank you so much for the help! Super awesome you take the time to respond to us. I'll be kinda slow on this build but I'll keep you in the loop and post some pictures. Thank you again! I might have some more questions later.
@@brandonwallis5899 just found an extra throttle cable that I never needed to use that would work for you if you need the one that threads into the cap of the carb. Let me know!
@@GregHitchko dude you're awesome! I'll for sure let you know. Just finished setting up the garage for the build and got my engine stand ordered. I'll be starting the tear down here in the next few weeks.
Had a lectron on my yz twice. First time my bottom end went with only 20hrs. Second time, a ring caught a port and destroyed my head and cylinder sleeve. Never putting a lectron on my bike again. Maybe I just bad luck with them, or it’s just me idk. But if someone can convince me to try the new lectron out I’ll do it. Hopefully THIRD times the charm!
Damn that’s a brutal experience I’d say! So weird because I literally never had a problem with the H-Series on my 2007 KX250 build before I had the Billetrons. How were you adjusting the metering rod?
@@GregHitchko When I first got my lectron all I did was adjust the idle (Sounded really crisp in the garage). Rode the bike at the track next day and could immediately tell it was rich. Bike was blubbery and couldn’t even hit a rhythm section without messing up. I would hit it all day on stock carb with no issues. So I leaned out the rod a 1/4 turn. Bike ran amazing for awhile (the rest is history) and I have never messed with it after that. Never touched my power jet either, left it alone. Maybe that’s why I had problems? Maybe it’s the way how I ride? I would call myself a B/C rider, I am on the pipe a ton.
@@brysonram417 Dang I'm surprised only a 1/4 turn leaner was the culprit. Did you experience any pinging when you rode it after you leaned it out? You can feel it, and almost makes like a ticking sound coming out of corners hard on the gas. I'm in that same category of rider B/C depending on how much I ride and comfortable I feel. You would feel the pinging are greater throttle openings. The power jet is for those situations when you are more wide open, it allows more fuel to enter the cylinder.
@@GregHitchko I did experience a ping even before and after the 1/4 adjustment, but it was only when I was steady on the gas coming to a face of a jump you know? Like the transition into the powerband wasn’t really smooth. Coming out of corners or wide open in some turns, bike ran amazing and I didn’t really feel like something was wrong. Could’ve been my power jet that might been the culprit also since I left it alone. So I’m sticking with stock carb forever until I feel comfortable giving the new lectron a shot.
Only negative about the lectrons is they shorten the life of your piston. I tested this using 3 yz250s with the same mods same fuel etc and rode each bike till it blew up. The bike withthe smart carb sc2 lasted the longest then the air stryker was second and the lectron came in 3rd and the pston on the lectron bike only lasted a little over half the amount of time as the air stryker but that was with the h series lectron i cant really speak on the billetron besides rumors from buddies that race and dont like them
Greg if u r a good rider could u do a ride on a cr125 1973 model
Sure why not! It would definitely be much harder to ride since the it's just an older bike in general. Vintage bikes like that are so rad!
In had a 73' CR125 with a pro-ported GP cylinder. Very hard to ride. Powerband went from scream to shriek in one short hit. Pistons had a very short life.
Can I have your H series for my 92 kx250?
Shoot me an email Dalton! hitchmotoko@gmail.com
sir do you sell that carb?
Can I put it on a 2002 xr250r?
I am pretty sure they have four stoke models for that XR!
Sorry,but Nothing Beats a Kehin Airstriker PWK,with the right ajustments...
That's the KEY! Right adjustments! Hard to beat a perfectly jetted carb, unfortunately getting there for the majority of carb riders is a pretty arduous task. Even for me! Super annoying, especially 4 stroke carbs🤪
@@GregHitchko Magic Hands...
Never though I would see a Kawasaki with a Chevy logo on it
Who would have thought!
They’re still expensive as hell. $600 bones for a carb. Some efi systems for cars are not much more expensive.
I totally hear ya! It's all relative when we break it down and how/what we value🙌🏼
@@GregHitchko 100% Greg. I finally figured out my kx/crf fork dilemma. Now I can move forward on my project.
@@someoneyouknow96 YES!! That's awesome, glad you got it worked out.
@@GregHitchko The crappy part is i could have figured it out weeks ago if I would have just grabbed my crf450 wheel. Instead I sat there trying to mess around with the factory kx wheel and kxf forks eyeballing a custom spacer length.
Had old lectron and was flawless, this new billetron is dog, very disappointing.
Never had any issues with my H-Series carb either, I prefer to the Billetron now for sure
Watch the move "American Pie". Listen to the red haired girl say, "And one day, in band camp",---and stop talking that way. "Are you asking me questions? You sound like you are asking questions." That is what my Dad asked me back in 1970 when I somehow picked up that vocal habit when I was about 7. I know I hear it all the time today, from the TV, radio, politicians and judges, but it is annoying, as that silly girl in the movie.
Boooooo! Don't be a lectron cop out. Put some real carbs in those bikes and jet them man. Band aid carbs in the trash can
Haha love the passion Shane! Are aftermarket pipes, handlebars, sprockets and chains, heads, suspension, etc all bandaids for stock then??
Haha however, if you’re planning on riding up the mountains and going up high elevations, it’s not worth rejecting your bike multiple times on one trip. Lectron is definitely the way to go in that regards. Ruins the trip if you have to regret every couple of thousand feet. Lectron aren’t a cop out either. There’s a reason why tons of people use them. Including on the red bull straight rhythm.
@@jacobhindman76 100% Definitely for large elevation changes in the ride
I hear ya! Another reason why I originally grabbed a Lectron. Living at 4K elevation then riding up to 10K, its a game changer.
@@GregHitchko no those are actually improvements over stock in most cases. Unless you're mountain riding and changing huge and I don't mean 1000', I mean huge elevations, then lectrons arnt really an improvement over stock at all. You loose a hp or two for the convenience of being lazy I guess. There's reasons people like Eddy Sanders, or Eric gorr don't use them. There are however alot of sponsorship reasons that others do lately. If you got some free carbs, sweet! I just wouldnt myself put all the time and money you're about to into those sweet bikes, and then put on a carb that isn't 100% as well ya know. But hey, free is free.