I like that you relate things to Japanese history; it's cool to see the parallels, similarities, and differences. Learning about Sengoku Jidai is one of the things that got me really invested in history
It’s endlessly interesting how an isolated culture like Japan’s history has clear parallels to how things developed in other cultures it never had any contact with. Humans definitely have a pattern.
The sad thing is that Louis XVI was never meant to be king. Usually royalty would have an heir and a spare. Louis was the third son, so he was never raised to be king. But then the heir died and then the spare died, leaving Louis to be the next king. Under ordinary circumstances Louis XVI would have been a perfectly forgettable king, but unfortunately he lived in extraordinary times and was not up to the task.
Hmm, based on my finding he was very self-conscious, insecure and weak-willed. Historian describe him as wanted to live alone in an island as if wanted to avoid the burden being placed in him. That probbaly explained it. He apparantly like Robinson Cruiso story. But Louis XVI was also describe as very well-educated, enlighten and very open. He was said to be an intellectual but just very weak-willed and was not able to ressist the corrupted noble. Being a gentle and kind also worsening his reign. He wanted to abolished the serfdom and reform France but constantly being blocked and opposed by many aristocrat that wanted to preserve the social structure of France and hostile toward him.I believed if he had a right man by his side and a big support, he would have been at least a good king that who know might as well bring good change to France. The are some good official and noble by his side but they are to few in number and France was to corrupted by the time he take the reign. Unfornutely people didn't trust him and people began to blamed him. The fact that the revolutionary started to spread a deception and lie was also not helping. While many aristocrat continue to ignore the problem of angry France's populace and forcing them to pay for the tax despite the harsh condition, bad economy, lack of food, war and natural dissaster. I mean even his best friend that know him for a long time betrayed him for the sake of revolution cause and leak the information and secret of where the important governmental letter was being kept.
But for all of his weakness, weak-willed and easily coerced and not able to resisst the corrupted noble, he was not groomed to be a king despite being very inteligent and have an enlightent idea. Being gentle make him easily manipulated. The sad thing is many people unaware of what he actually feel or did and assumed he is the worse king of France
Yeah, i did some researches and there's no written traces of such thing. but apparently one of the daugters of Louis XV said something similar, not in a bad way tho.
While it’s mostly a rumor she said “let them eat cake” it’s possible she said something similar. Back in the day France had 2 types of bread. “Poor bread” and “rich bread” the rich bread was likely what was referred to.
@@blackster_Co. noo, that just some propaganda i guess, but there something we can be sure of, when she walk on her executionnor foot and excuse herself, evryone was there for see it and some writters was there too.
The reason why the king took a very long time to boink Marie was because the king had a problem down there, that made arousal painful. He was able to get his problem surgically repaired but by the time the king had an heir, the damage had been done.
Another reason was he was insecure, self-conscious and weak-willed.He was actually a good king and had many enlighten idea including abolished the selfdom and was very gentle and kind. But most of the Aristocracy resist the idea and wanted to prserve the social structure of France. They were very hostile toward him and blocked every effort he made for a change. Even Marie Antionette was actually a very gentle person. Yes, it was true she unaware the value of money to some extend but that because of the lavish lifestyle of Austrian Archduchy. She was very fond of children and she established a home for unwed mother to help them. When one of her maid died, she will adopted their children. She also sold the royal flatware to provide grain for struggling families, and the royal family ate cheaper grain so there would be more food to go around. She also baptised and took into her care a Senegalese slave boy, Jean Almicar presented to her as a gift, who normally would have been pressed into service The Senegalese slave boy given to the queen was a present by Chevalier de Boufflers in 1787, but whom she instead had freed, baptized, adopted and placed in a pension. When the French Revolution was happening and Marie was imprisoned, the senegalese boy she adopted could not pay the fee of his boarding school and would be expelled. He would later die on starvation on the street.
@マナンナンアナメ Yes you are right that it was that way but that social hierarchy is what it was supposed to be. Despite the fact that often people of lower standing were more powerful than that of the higher they often still atleast paid lip service to their superiors. That was just the "hierarchy" not the real reflection of how things were
@@11BscoutNG Bishops were first estate as well. Some came from nobility, many did not. If anything, by the late 1700s, the church was basically meritocratic, the worst corruption having been done with centuries ago. The third estate actually had most of the money in France, with industrialists, bankers, merchants,non-noble landlords, and higher-ranking civil servants (non-noble ones) having about 70% of the wealth. Nobles had only 30%, based mostly on their ancient land holdings. As for the relationship between the church and state, the latter had been pushing for more control over the church for many decades if not centuries, based on the false notion of a "Gallican" church with the king having more power over the clergy than the bishops. The clergy didn't blindly support the king and in fact often disagreed with him on many things.
Antoinette actually never said “let them eat cake” according to historians. Yes the bed thing is accurate. The king and queen and royal family had literally ZERO privacy. There were fights over which lady would dress the queen and literally the whole court was there to watch her give birth.
One reason that the French Revolution happened, but a similar event didn't happen in Japan at the same time is that France had a lot more and much deadlier guns among the populace which were a great equalizer in war. An armored Samurai who has trained with a sword, bow, and spear most of their lives could probably take down several unarmored peasants using farm tools by himself. So the government with all the trained soldiers could defeat large revolts. Where as in France a peasant armed with a musket is about as deadly as a soldier with a musket. Military training focused largely on reloading faster and marching in formation which as skills is not hard for a regular person to pick up quickly. It's why the massive conscription army(which was one the first recorded million man armies in Europe) the French could rally was able to defeat the much smaller professional armies of neighboring countries. You'll notice the decline of monarchial power coincides with the rise and development of gun technology.
Guns were still rare and possessed by the royal army, though (and well, not that effective or reliable at that time) For the Revolution, it was a kind of batterfield almost unknown to any army (fighing inside cities was rare before WW2, and was really hard with late 1700 tech, particularly against barricades) Peasants were also the directs victims of Revolution (well, almost nothing changed, the third state was representing interest of richest people out there (mainly merchants) who just wanted to take nobility's place).
I love how you casually drop that the Japan had a great famine at the same time as France. With the way climate operates, they might actually be connected to the same cause, that is that gigantic volcanic eruption you talked about. Japan somehow connected to the french revolution?! How wild can your imagination go with that idea?
To be fair on the whole ‘Obedient Japanese’ trope, the Japanese can be very strong and go out to protest in the past. The were quite a few student protests in the 60’s if I remember correctly, and there’s the whole Narita Airport situation where Japanese protestors honestly were even more organized and even violent than even most Western protesters. Look it up they really went all-out. I actually think that Japan doesn’t do this too often though is a good thing, as there are a few countries like the United States and France which have very strong ‘protest cultures’ and often times they can devolve into violent riots, which generally isn’t very ideal of course. I think the Japanese probably have it right with a certain degree of ‘holding back’ from violent rioting, yet still proving in recent history that they *have done it* before, and *could do it* again. Living through the type of damage and fear that could happen through rioting over here in the US, honestly makes me wish i lives in a country that didn’t resort to these measures so often. Obviously the ideal position is the government listens to the people, and the people in cooperation don’t violently riot, and all parties are satisfied. I think that ought be the goal. Great listening to your perspective on the French Revolution by the way!!
"and there’s the whole Narita Airport situation where Japanese protestors honestly were even more organized and even violent than even most Western protesters. Look it up they really went all-out." even worse than Antifa and Blm "peaceful protests" that burned cities down?
There also was very cold periods in Europe during this time that was called "the little Ice age" between 1300 and 1860, and reached peak levels around 1770.
The painting at the beginning of your video, "La Liberté guidant le peuple", actually depicts the second french revolution known as the Revolution of July - or Trois Glorieuses - which took place in 1830, about 40 years after the first one... ☺️
This is awesome, I like how you add in the history of japan in your videos. We don't cover that much in history classes here in America. Thank you for the bonus history lessons
The tradition of escorting the marriage couple to bed originated in the norse tradition of witnessing the consummation of marriage to ensure nobody got cold feet. How long people would bear witness varied. Some nordic tribes would simply escort them to the door. Others would carry the couple to the bed on their shoulders. Others would watch to verify the breaking of the hymen to guarantee the wife was "unsullied". I cannot imagine how awkward it was for your father-in-law to watch your first time with your spouse.
If you want to learn more I would highly recommend the documentary called “the rise and fall of Versailles”. It has a few scenes that could be considered adult but it’s actually really informative. Some really good historians talk in it. It’s really interesting to learn what Japan was doing at the time though! I don’t know an awful lot about Japanese history so it’s awesome to learn!
there is a vid that talks about WW2 revisionism in Japan. it is called Playing the Victim | Historical Revisionism and Japan. I think it would be interesting to see your take on the video.
I love the way you phrased 'Don't you think they are beautiful?' when you referred to the paintings made during that time period. If I'm reading it correctly, you used a very cheeky tone that suggests far more than it says verbally. As if to say... 'Sure Japanese people were dying of starvation, but look at the beautiful paintings!' in a very cheery but sardonically humorous style in the way OverSimplified does. Of course, I could be reading your tone incorrectly so please feel free to correct me. Speaking frankly though, they're gorgeous. Undeniably so. It's just utterly tragic that this was the priority of the upper class at the time rather than aiding the peasants. In fact, if not for the labor of the peasant class, the upper class wouldn't have been living so lavishly and wouldn't have been able to make those wonderful works of art. I think this is something the upper class needs to be reminded of from time to time. Sadly, when they finally do, all too often it's too late.
Versailles no bara is one of my favourite anime/manga of all time. It use to be very popular on TV when it first aired,in French speaking countries apparently,of course I only watched reruns/repeats. Sadly,it's not that popular in my age group of people under or around 30. Is it still popular in Japan ? I wish they would do a remake of this.
hi from france! :) that very interresting when you compare that to your country, we really have our similarity haha ^^ and yeah during riot of our population some atrocities was made, cannibalism, some people was put their head on a pike for been like a trophy.. what a crazy time..!
Always was interesting to me how the French revolution was so much more violent then the American Revolution. Just goes to show when radicals are in control how things can turn violent and get out of control. The founding fathers may have seemed radical to someone like King George but they were reasoned men compared to someone like Robespierre and his Committee of Public Safety who basically beheaded anyone he disagreed with.
Robespierre is hardly the only reason the revolution turned violent. The american revolution only aimed at independance, whereas the french revolution was aimed at getting better government, it could have gotten to a constitutional monarchy easily if the king hadn't fled.
Those are not really comparable things, the American Revolution was a war for independence, not really a revolution strictly speaking. In France, it's a thousand year old system that was challenged: things always worked this way, but suddenly everything became possible. When that happens, people simply don't know what are the right things to do, because they have to try (and possibly fail) to know. It can quickly go out of control when old (/stable) systems collapse. Another reason though, was the international pressure. France was threatened by the rest of Europe, which even went to war to help the king. Of course the revolutionary felt they had to more radical. Here, this situation meant that the revolution was threatened by everyone: inside and outside the country.
Taking clothes from the naked. The French Revolution was the greatest example of political ignorance from the powerful and the public expressing their extreme hatred for them to cross the line. That Assassin's Creed: Revolution trailer was still dope to me.
The bedding ceremony was tied up in a lot of medieval Christian traditions. In medieval times, a marriage wasn't truly official until it was consummated (that is to say, the couple had sex) even if there had been a ceremony. During the middle ages, divorces could be granted on the grounds that a marriage had not been consummated (and divorce = political turmoil if the marriage was one with political goals). So to cope with this, the bedding ceremony popped up as a way for there to be witnesses and encourage consummation to take place. It wasn't strictly a French or even upper class tradition. A lot of peasant families also observed it, but it did vary regionally quite a bit.
well parliamentry systems originated in classical era europe , democracy origionastred in athens as a three level system the law, a council or representatioves of the tribes of athens and the final courts using a almost modern jury system, then we have the roman sennate which still existed even in the empire but had deminished power
“Let them eat cake” is not speak of Marie Antoinette. Actually it is a dialogue from the book named “Confession” by Jean-Jacques Rousseau which was completed in1769 before Marie moved to France in1770 The line is actually that “A great princess who, when told that the peasants had no bread, replied: "Then let them eat brioches"
From what I understand old version of Brioches is a type of bread that can used less flower to make then standard bread of that time, Which was instead trying to find a solution to the bread shortage. Don't know if it true but I have heard about Famine happening that could be avoided but because people refused to accept alternative food source, like I heard about one famine where people didn't want to eat Potato because they thought they will get lepersy.
The bedding ceremony was common in the middle ages, but disappeared afterwards. However, for royal marriages it was still done in the 18th century. Keep in mind that half the court would be listening at the door to make sure they actually have sex.
People starve in the United States today as well. All of our Huge Farms and Corporations don't like working people. The only reason we have not had a revolution is because most people are in Apartments with their TV and Smartphones. They don't care about anything except what flavor of ice cream I should eat today. We don't travel or reason with different points of view anymore because we are all Broke.
Your comment about how japanese are too obedient really made me think deeply about the differences between the East and the West. The Eastern mentality is to obey and make sure all the cogs in the machine work while the Western mentality is more focused on individuality and standing out. While I deeply respect the mentality of Eastern cultures, I'd say I kind of prefer Western ideals. Probably a bit biased since I live in a western country
in my country we dont have lesson about world history unless we take social science major in highschool. is it same in japan or did japan even teach world history since elementary?
You are talking about the Edo period run by the Tokugawa Shogunate line of Shoguns after Tokugawa Ieyasu the last great unifier took over unified control of Japan after the Sengoku period in 1603 and ruled until the Meiji Restoration in 1868.
There’s no proof she told them to eat cake. Actually the words for cake and bread, specifically sweetbreads, are more or less the same. It’s just that one translation makes her look bad and the other is less harsh
I don't think the lack of japanese revolution come from a japanese nature to being obedient, but rather that education in japan is actually a more new thing compared to europe. One important aspect of the french revolution is the burghesy, a social class with better wealth and education than peasants (and really good education), this allowed people to judge and criticise power. Meanwhile at the same time japan didn't have that social class, or at least one that was closer to peasants.
@Nagaraja they worked mostly like medieval guilds. Their power and education is confined by their craft, which they were safe from the upper class as long as they did their job. This is why there was no blacksmith rebelion or sculptors rebelions. On the other hand burghers were a conflictive class, because they had education beyond their craft (lawyers, medics, linguists, etc) and had accumulated wealth that could outshine nobles. This was such an issue that many laws were created so non-nobles were forbidden to use certain clothes or pieces of armor (in tournament gold was forbidden to non nobles, even so many had the wealth for it). This is why japan didn't have a big rebolution, and now that they have modern quality of living and a more fair political participation, rebolutions are kinda in the past. Unless someone take those things off course.
correct me if I am wrong, but I have the memory of a news article talking about how Japanese students fought with the Japanese police and managed to drive them back. If anyone has any information on that please let me know.
Once again, the famous sentence "Let them eat cake" didn't have this meaning at all. First of all, it wasn't said by Marie-Antoinette, or she wasn't first. It was uttered either by a Spanish princess or by a sister of Louis XIV and actually meant "(they're out of bread), So why just don't they switch to cake?"...This is even crazier, some people were arguably so out of touch with reality that they didn't understand that when one is dirt poor and out of bread he doesn't have anything else to replace it.
Well japan is kinda unique in many ways. One of this is government, which while being quite conservative still were compliant enough to make reforms and adopt things when there was need in them. I guess it's because in political sense there always has been big scary china close to them and so elites never elaborated this thought in themselves that they are "on absolutely of top of all of the world" which was common in elsewhere.
In europe it was common practice for courtier to watch the royal couple do the do especially on their first night together as a couple in order to confirm wether the babies were legitimate.
I’m loving what you do. My dream is too one day stay in the Godzilla room in the Godzilla Hotel. Thank you Japan for giving the world the King of the monsters. You are very cute. Subbed.
No, the US was a very poor and undeveloped country at first and we didn't have the money to pay France back. We ended up paying them back by helping them out in the First World War and downright liberating them in the second.
Oh the US didn't have France best interests at heart during WW2. Roosevelt contemplated for a while the creation of a new state called Walonia which would have been made with southern Belgium and northern France. Heck the US tried to boot DeGaulle out of the command of Free France by apointing another more US friendly general and even after that Roosevelt wanted to occupy France like they did with Japan. The only reason those thing didn't happen is because De Gaulle acted quick and ma,ged to set up a provisional government before the US.
@@cyrilmagi6201 And I'm sure domestic US Political considerations had no role whatsoever to do with how US treated France after the war and Truman was of the same mindset as Roosevelt am I right? I mean, the US populace which practically had to be dragged into the war to begin with would just be happy to setup some indefinite hostile US Occupation of France which would last for years at least. I mean, we were worried about what would happen if the War with Japan dragged into the year 1947 (would we have popular support ?)after the Invasion commenced but some Imperialist policy in France? Now THAT would be popular! And yes, I am being VERY sarcastic here. It's one thing to have a preference as to who will lead France. It's another thing entirely to convict the entire US government and populace of Imperialistic ambitions in France due to some idle dream Roosevelt may or may not have had.
@@remo27 "Let's just forget about all the war time supplies, why don't we?" Why not? the US is a shit imperialistic country witha dark colonial history (check out the Philippine-American War) and has invaded many countries to this day , have fun with all the Antifa and BLM riots haha.
About the bed thing... This is not the worst part of our "Ancien Régime". Under Louis XIV (14), there was the "petit lever" and "grand lever" of the king (little wake up and great wake up i guess). I can't remember which one it was, but one of the two involved the king going to take a shit, and the courtesans watching him doing so, and complimenting his divine nature. Louis XV was a worse king than Louis XVI. He was weaker and he failed at everything (most notably, he lost the 7 years war. This is one of our 3 bad defeats with 1870 and 1940). Louis XVI actually did some great things. English speakers call that a tennis court? Lol. The name of this oath is "Serment du Jeu de Paume". Was no tennis right? The "Declaration of women's rights" was written by Olympe de Gouges in 1791 by the way, and is considered the foundation of feminism. It promotes equality of rights and status between men and women and extends the "Declaration of men's rights" to women. She fought for gender equality and for the end of slavery (abolished in 1794). For the trivia, Olympe was beheaded in 1793 for attacking harshly and repeatedly the most violent revolutionaries, like Marat at the National Assembly (she was deputy). Marat was actually assassinated in his bathtub by Charlotte Corday, in 1793. Olympe's enemies wrote later reports telling how she cried and whined when going to the guillotine, but many more neutral and contemporary reports claimed that she faced death with calm and courage. She died while shouting "Children of France, you will avenge my death!". By the way, i only learned of her existence in my 30's... That tells a lot about the complexity of the 1st French Revolution, where it is impossible to understand everything without dedicating one's life to study it.
I hate how dirty history treated marie. Most of the messed up rumors about her was just jacobin party propaganda. In reality she was probably the most stressed out person in france before and after the revolution. From the start she had to know her husband was in way over his head and tried her best to support him till the end. And she loved her kids!
I think the reason why Europeans were less obedient compared to the Japanese came to the fact that we had rulers who abused their power for centuries (which rarely happened or was allowed in Japan from what I know...with some exception)...even done to the worst extremes but also, because we didn't knew better than to revolt since the "better example" of how to be and to behave was gone or trampled upon. And most people (peasants or lower classes) back then had the patient of a saint. So even when that runs out you see less obedience and more indignation. And also starvation can affect that too. But there's also the difference of mentality that came with the revolution. Being a cog in the machine vs being individualistic like it was mentioned before. Because of the French Revolution, many but not all French people I know nowadays and I quote "get always angry and protest everything they don't like".
I already recommend you to make some content about india. Watch this web series of India (The forgotten army) in Amazon prime video. This indian popular web series is related to Japanese army role to form indian troops to fight Britain In WW2. You can make more subscribers as your explanation is very good
I don't know how anyone could think Louis XVI was sensible. Likely a poor ruler even in good times but now the country is falling into debt and enlightened ideas are spreading. MAYBE fighting Britain to help the Americans get their own country sounded like a good idea somewhere but unlike the previous Seven Years war which had territory traded (and France lost) there's not a whole lot to gain from this especially with it inspiring the French Revolution. Though I think what really seals it is how he reacted towards the poor feeling unfairly stuck with all the taxes and getting increasingly worse lives, resisting giving them a voice in government and only making their lives worse.
I like that you relate things to Japanese history; it's cool to see the parallels, similarities, and differences. Learning about Sengoku Jidai is one of the things that got me really invested in history
It’s endlessly interesting how an isolated culture like Japan’s history has clear parallels to how things developed in other cultures it never had any contact with. Humans definitely have a pattern.
The sad thing is that Louis XVI was never meant to be king. Usually royalty would have an heir and a spare. Louis was the third son, so he was never raised to be king. But then the heir died and then the spare died, leaving Louis to be the next king. Under ordinary circumstances Louis XVI would have been a perfectly forgettable king, but unfortunately he lived in extraordinary times and was not up to the task.
Hmm, based on my finding he was very self-conscious, insecure and weak-willed. Historian describe him as wanted to live alone in an island as if wanted to avoid the burden being placed in him. That probbaly explained it. He apparantly like Robinson Cruiso story. But Louis XVI was also describe as very well-educated, enlighten and very open. He was said to be an intellectual but just very weak-willed and was not able to ressist the corrupted noble. Being a gentle and kind also worsening his reign. He wanted to abolished the serfdom and reform France but constantly being blocked and opposed by many aristocrat that wanted to preserve the social structure of France and hostile toward him.I believed if he had a right man by his side and a big support, he would have been at least a good king that who know might as well bring good change to France. The are some good official and noble by his side but they are to few in number and France was to corrupted by the time he take the reign. Unfornutely people didn't trust him and people began to blamed him. The fact that the revolutionary started to spread a deception and lie was also not helping. While many aristocrat continue to ignore the problem of angry France's populace and forcing them to pay for the tax despite the harsh condition, bad economy, lack of food, war and natural dissaster. I mean even his best friend that know him for a long time betrayed him for the sake of revolution cause and leak the information and secret of where the important governmental letter was being kept.
But for all of his weakness, weak-willed and easily coerced and not able to resisst the corrupted noble, he was not groomed to be a king despite being very inteligent and have an enlightent idea. Being gentle make him easily manipulated. The sad thing is many people unaware of what he actually feel or did and assumed he is the worse king of France
Both he and marie did not deserve their fates they were born at the wrong time and wrong place
Fun Fact: Marie Antoinette never actually said "Let them eat cake"
Brioche.
Yeah, i did some researches and there's no written traces of such thing. but apparently one of the daugters of Louis XV said something similar, not in a bad way tho.
While it’s mostly a rumor she said “let them eat cake” it’s possible she said something similar. Back in the day France had 2 types of bread. “Poor bread” and “rich bread” the rich bread was likely what was referred to.
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Apparently she referred to some kind of flaky pastry wich was realy cheaper but never intended to be eaten alone.
@@blackster_Co. noo, that just some propaganda i guess, but there something we can be sure of, when she walk on her executionnor foot and excuse herself, evryone was there for see it and some writters was there too.
The reason why the king took a very long time to boink Marie was because the king had a problem down there, that made arousal painful. He was able to get his problem surgically repaired but by the time the king had an heir, the damage had been done.
Another reason was he was insecure, self-conscious and weak-willed.He was actually a good king and had many enlighten idea including abolished the selfdom and was very gentle and kind. But most of the Aristocracy resist the idea and wanted to prserve the social structure of France. They were very hostile toward him and blocked every effort he made for a change. Even Marie Antionette was actually a very gentle person. Yes, it was true she unaware the value of money to some extend but that because of the lavish lifestyle of Austrian Archduchy. She was very fond of children and she established a home for unwed mother to help them. When one of her maid died, she will adopted their children. She also sold the royal flatware to provide grain for struggling families, and the royal family ate cheaper grain so there would be more food to go around.
She also baptised and took into her care a Senegalese slave boy, Jean Almicar presented to her as a gift, who normally would have been pressed into service The Senegalese slave boy given to the queen was a present by Chevalier de Boufflers in 1787, but whom she instead had freed, baptized, adopted and placed in a pension. When the French Revolution was happening and Marie was imprisoned, the senegalese boy she adopted could not pay the fee of his boarding school and would be expelled. He would later die on starvation on the street.
Also, at the time of their marriage, both he and Marie Antoinette were quite young, only 16 and 14.
@@fandemusique4693 Oh God every extra thing I hear makes me just pity him so much more.
4:04 In europe the social hierarchy usually (not always) looked like this:
-Emperor
-King
-Priest
-Nobility
-everybody else
@マナンナンアナメ Yes you are right that it was that way but that social hierarchy is what it was supposed to be. Despite the fact that often people of lower standing were more powerful than that of the higher they often still atleast paid lip service to their superiors. That was just the "hierarchy" not the real reflection of how things were
@Clear Kim how about yes
In india it was Brahmins (didn't had real power though), Khsyatriyas, vaishyas, sundra and Dalits. We didn't have serfs and slaves though.
You messed it up by putting "priest" above nobility. Most average priests had no real authority whatsoever. You meant to say "bishop."
@@11BscoutNG Bishops were first estate as well. Some came from nobility, many did not. If anything, by the late 1700s, the church was basically meritocratic, the worst corruption having been done with centuries ago.
The third estate actually had most of the money in France, with industrialists, bankers, merchants,non-noble landlords, and higher-ranking civil servants (non-noble ones) having about 70% of the wealth. Nobles had only 30%, based mostly on their ancient land holdings.
As for the relationship between the church and state, the latter had been pushing for more control over the church for many decades if not centuries, based on the false notion of a "Gallican" church with the king having more power over the clergy than the bishops. The clergy didn't blindly support the king and in fact often disagreed with him on many things.
Antoinette actually never said “let them eat cake” according to historians. Yes the bed thing is accurate. The king and queen and royal family had literally ZERO privacy. There were fights over which lady would dress the queen and literally the whole court was there to watch her give birth.
One reason that the French Revolution happened, but a similar event didn't happen in Japan at the same time is that France had a lot more and much deadlier guns among the populace which were a great equalizer in war.
An armored Samurai who has trained with a sword, bow, and spear most of their lives could probably take down several unarmored peasants using farm tools by himself. So the government with all the trained soldiers could defeat large revolts.
Where as in France a peasant armed with a musket is about as deadly as a soldier with a musket. Military training focused largely on reloading faster and marching in formation which as skills is not hard for a regular person to pick up quickly. It's why the massive conscription army(which was one the first recorded million man armies in Europe) the French could rally was able to defeat the much smaller professional armies of neighboring countries.
You'll notice the decline of monarchial power coincides with the rise and development of gun technology.
Guns were still rare and possessed by the royal army, though (and well, not that effective or reliable at that time) For the Revolution, it was a kind of batterfield almost unknown to any army (fighing inside cities was rare before WW2, and was really hard with late 1700 tech, particularly against barricades)
Peasants were also the directs victims of Revolution (well, almost nothing changed, the third state was representing interest of richest people out there (mainly merchants) who just wanted to take nobility's place).
I really like how you periodically add information about Japan - I find it really interesting, Thank you! :)
I love how you casually drop that the Japan had a great famine at the same time as France. With the way climate operates, they might actually be connected to the same cause, that is that gigantic volcanic eruption you talked about.
Japan somehow connected to the french revolution?! How wild can your imagination go with that idea?
The Sun was also weaker in those times, leading to less light for crops and worse (longer) winters.
So it might be related.
To be fair on the whole ‘Obedient Japanese’ trope, the Japanese can be very strong and go out to protest in the past. The were quite a few student protests in the 60’s if I remember correctly, and there’s the whole Narita Airport situation where Japanese protestors honestly were even more organized and even violent than even most Western protesters. Look it up they really went all-out.
I actually think that Japan doesn’t do this too often though is a good thing, as there are a few countries like the United States and France which have very strong ‘protest cultures’ and often times they can devolve into violent riots, which generally isn’t very ideal of course. I think the Japanese probably have it right with a certain degree of ‘holding back’ from violent rioting, yet still proving in recent history that they *have done it* before, and *could do it* again. Living through the type of damage and fear that could happen through rioting over here in the US, honestly makes me wish i lives in a country that didn’t resort to these measures so often.
Obviously the ideal position is the government listens to the people, and the people in cooperation don’t violently riot, and all parties are satisfied. I think that ought be the goal.
Great listening to your perspective on the French Revolution by the way!!
"and there’s the whole Narita Airport situation where Japanese protestors honestly were even more organized and even violent than even most Western protesters. Look it up they really went all-out."
even worse than Antifa and Blm "peaceful protests" that burned cities down?
There also was very cold periods in Europe during this time that was called "the little Ice age" between 1300 and 1860, and reached peak levels around 1770.
The painting at the beginning of your video, "La Liberté guidant le peuple", actually depicts the second french revolution known as the Revolution of July - or Trois Glorieuses - which took place in 1830, about 40 years after the first one... ☺️
This is awesome, I like how you add in the history of japan in your videos. We don't cover that much in history classes here in America. Thank you for the bonus history lessons
I love how he compares and teach Japan history next to France history. Very informative 😊
The frog thing references a mildly offensive British insult for french people, they call them frogs, as some French dishes contain frog legs
Well we really eat frog legs and there great. Oh and snails too
And yet most french ppl never eat any^^
The tradition of escorting the marriage couple to bed originated in the norse tradition of witnessing the consummation of marriage to ensure nobody got cold feet. How long people would bear witness varied. Some nordic tribes would simply escort them to the door. Others would carry the couple to the bed on their shoulders. Others would watch to verify the breaking of the hymen to guarantee the wife was "unsullied". I cannot imagine how awkward it was for your father-in-law to watch your first time with your spouse.
There’s also the Russian Revolution and Stalins rise to power
Oh that's going to be fun
Person 1: Comrade, I want you to compare this picture (French Revolution) with this one (Russian Revolution).
Person 2: They're the same picture.
@in desperate need of a scotch Antifa Riots?
France was so known for eating frogs, it's enemies call french people itself "Frogs"
Same as Germans being called as "Krauts" for eating Sourkraut.
We Germans also get Sometimes called Potatoes
If you want to learn more I would highly recommend the documentary called “the rise and fall of Versailles”. It has a few scenes that could be considered adult but it’s actually really informative. Some really good historians talk in it. It’s really interesting to learn what Japan was doing at the time though! I don’t know an awful lot about Japanese history so it’s awesome to learn!
Ohhh! You're from Ehime! That is my favorite prefecture in Japan! I want to visit there some day so badly!
there is a vid that talks about WW2 revisionism in Japan. it is called Playing the Victim | Historical Revisionism and Japan. I think it would be interesting to see your take on the video.
2:16 great life indeed
I love the way you phrased 'Don't you think they are beautiful?' when you referred to the paintings made during that time period. If I'm reading it correctly, you used a very cheeky tone that suggests far more than it says verbally. As if to say...
'Sure Japanese people were dying of starvation, but look at the beautiful paintings!' in a very cheery but sardonically humorous style in the way OverSimplified does. Of course, I could be reading your tone incorrectly so please feel free to correct me.
Speaking frankly though, they're gorgeous. Undeniably so. It's just utterly tragic that this was the priority of the upper class at the time rather than aiding the peasants. In fact, if not for the labor of the peasant class, the upper class wouldn't have been living so lavishly and wouldn't have been able to make those wonderful works of art. I think this is something the upper class needs to be reminded of from time to time. Sadly, when they finally do, all too often it's too late.
Versailles no bara is one of my favourite anime/manga of all time. It use to be very popular on TV when it first aired,in French speaking countries apparently,of course I only watched reruns/repeats. Sadly,it's not that popular in my age group of people under or around 30. Is it still popular in Japan ? I wish they would do a remake of this.
hi from france! :) that very interresting when you compare that to your country, we really have our similarity haha ^^ and yeah during riot of our population some atrocities was made, cannibalism, some people was put their head on a pike for been like a trophy.. what a crazy time..!
21:25 "Sorry I already have Express VPN" idk why, but that made laugh, alot :D
I just love watching your videos. I can't get enough.
Always was interesting to me how the French revolution was so much more violent then the American Revolution. Just goes to show when radicals are in control how things can turn violent and get out of control. The founding fathers may have seemed radical to someone like King George but they were reasoned men compared to someone like Robespierre and his Committee of Public Safety who basically beheaded anyone he disagreed with.
Robespierre is hardly the only reason the revolution turned violent. The american revolution only aimed at independance, whereas the french revolution was aimed at getting better government, it could have gotten to a constitutional monarchy easily if the king hadn't fled.
Those are not really comparable things, the American Revolution was a war for independence, not really a revolution strictly speaking. In France, it's a thousand year old system that was challenged: things always worked this way, but suddenly everything became possible. When that happens, people simply don't know what are the right things to do, because they have to try (and possibly fail) to know. It can quickly go out of control when old (/stable) systems collapse.
Another reason though, was the international pressure. France was threatened by the rest of Europe, which even went to war to help the king. Of course the revolutionary felt they had to more radical. Here, this situation meant that the revolution was threatened by everyone: inside and outside the country.
Taking clothes from the naked. The French Revolution was the greatest example of political ignorance from the powerful and the public expressing their extreme hatred for them to cross the line. That Assassin's Creed: Revolution trailer was still dope to me.
You should watch Oversimplified's American Civil War. It's a good one (Dispite overlooking Minnesota's sacrifice at Gettysburg, but oh well)
Been Enjoying your Videos
Hope you are doing well
The bedding ceremony was tied up in a lot of medieval Christian traditions. In medieval times, a marriage wasn't truly official until it was consummated (that is to say, the couple had sex) even if there had been a ceremony. During the middle ages, divorces could be granted on the grounds that a marriage had not been consummated (and divorce = political turmoil if the marriage was one with political goals). So to cope with this, the bedding ceremony popped up as a way for there to be witnesses and encourage consummation to take place. It wasn't strictly a French or even upper class tradition. A lot of peasant families also observed it, but it did vary regionally quite a bit.
It’s easy to be a good leader when times are good, difficult times put tactless, weak rulers into sharp relief
well parliamentry systems originated in classical era europe , democracy origionastred in athens as a three level system the law, a council or representatioves of the tribes of athens and the final courts using a almost modern jury system, then we have the roman sennate which still existed even in the empire but had deminished power
Again, another great reaction video! Keep it up👍
As a Portuguese man I wonder what is taught of Portuguese history in Japan, since our nation's stories are close related at a point in history.
The last samurai is also a french man: Jules Brunet
“Let them eat cake” is not speak of Marie Antoinette. Actually it is a dialogue from the book named “Confession” by Jean-Jacques Rousseau which was completed in1769 before Marie moved to France in1770
The line is actually that “A great princess who, when told that the peasants had no bread, replied: "Then let them eat brioches"
From what I understand old version of Brioches is a type of bread that can used less flower to make then standard bread of that time, Which was instead trying to find a solution to the bread shortage.
Don't know if it true but I have heard about Famine happening that could be avoided but because people refused to accept alternative food source, like I heard about one famine where people didn't want to eat Potato because they thought they will get lepersy.
Fun fact : the last samurai was actually french (another story taken by the american such as the planet of the Apes)
In India we had two revolutions to overthrow the British but no one knows anything about the details because our history books don't talk about it.😭
i love rose of versailles 😔💞
The bedding ceremony was common in the middle ages, but disappeared afterwards. However, for royal marriages it was still done in the 18th century. Keep in mind that half the court would be listening at the door to make sure they actually have sex.
"If they don't have bread, just let them eat cake" = "If you're homeless, just buy a house"
It's crazy how common feudalism was centuries ago and how they all ended at around the same time.
Love your videos
People starve in the United States today as well. All of our Huge Farms and Corporations don't like working people. The only reason we have not had a revolution is because most people are in Apartments with their TV and Smartphones. They don't care about anything except what flavor of ice cream I should eat today. We don't travel or reason with different points of view anymore because we are all Broke.
Are you American as well
Devilman is awsome the new one or the old 80's Devilman its a awesome anime!
Your comment about how japanese are too obedient really made me think deeply about the differences between the East and the West. The Eastern mentality is to obey and make sure all the cogs in the machine work while the Western mentality is more focused on individuality and standing out. While I deeply respect the mentality of Eastern cultures, I'd say I kind of prefer Western ideals. Probably a bit biased since I live in a western country
And this is why the West is falling apart haha , too individualistic , its basically "Me me me me me".
Had frog legs a few times. Then the store closed down. I kinda miss them.
you sould do Napoleon oversimplified, it's litteraly the next chapter of France history up to 1821
in my country we dont have lesson about world history unless we take social science major in highschool. is it same in japan or did japan even teach world history since elementary?
The fact that she said "Let them eat cake" was fake news.
Fun fact: Marie-Antoinette never actually ruined the country with her expensive lifestyle.
You are talking about the Edo period run by the Tokugawa Shogunate line of Shoguns after Tokugawa Ieyasu the last great unifier took over unified control of Japan after the Sengoku period in 1603 and ruled until the Meiji Restoration in 1868.
You should check out admiral Yi by extra history
Can i ask what is Marchant? is it a Merchant with a typo or it is different?
a great inspiration for the current thailand.
There’s no proof she told them to eat cake. Actually the words for cake and bread, specifically sweetbreads, are more or less the same. It’s just that one translation makes her look bad and the other is less harsh
Pretty sure the famine you talked about was also caused by mount laki in Iceland. One of the worst eruptions in human history.
I don't think the lack of japanese revolution come from a japanese nature to being obedient, but rather that education in japan is actually a more new thing compared to europe. One important aspect of the french revolution is the burghesy, a social class with better wealth and education than peasants (and really good education), this allowed people to judge and criticise power. Meanwhile at the same time japan didn't have that social class, or at least one that was closer to peasants.
@Nagaraja they worked mostly like medieval guilds. Their power and education is confined by their craft, which they were safe from the upper class as long as they did their job. This is why there was no blacksmith rebelion or sculptors rebelions.
On the other hand burghers were a conflictive class, because they had education beyond their craft (lawyers, medics, linguists, etc) and had accumulated wealth that could outshine nobles. This was such an issue that many laws were created so non-nobles were forbidden to use certain clothes or pieces of armor (in tournament gold was forbidden to non nobles, even so many had the wealth for it).
This is why japan didn't have a big rebolution, and now that they have modern quality of living and a more fair political participation, rebolutions are kinda in the past. Unless someone take those things off course.
correct me if I am wrong, but I have the memory of a news article talking about how Japanese students fought with the Japanese police and managed to drive them back. If anyone has any information on that please let me know.
Once again, the famous sentence "Let them eat cake" didn't have this meaning at all. First of all, it wasn't said by Marie-Antoinette, or she wasn't first. It was uttered either by a Spanish princess or by a sister of Louis XIV and actually meant "(they're out of bread), So why just don't they switch to cake?"...This is even crazier, some people were arguably so out of touch with reality that they didn't understand that when one is dirt poor and out of bread he doesn't have anything else to replace it.
Well japan is kinda unique in many ways. One of this is government, which while being quite conservative still were compliant enough to make reforms and adopt things when there was need in them. I guess it's because in political sense there always has been big scary china close to them and so elites never elaborated this thought in themselves that they are "on absolutely of top of all of the world" which was common in elsewhere.
In europe it was common practice for courtier to watch the royal couple do the do especially on their first night together as a couple in order to confirm wether the babies were legitimate.
I’m loving what you do. My dream is too one day stay in the Godzilla room in the Godzilla Hotel. Thank you Japan for giving the world the King of the monsters. You are very cute. Subbed.
Frogs and snail are delicious base on taste and not on vision
fried frog legs are amazing, um alot like chicken wings
No, the US was a very poor and undeveloped country at first and we didn't have the money to pay France back. We ended up paying them back by helping them out in the First World War and downright liberating them in the second.
Oh the US didn't have France best interests at heart during WW2. Roosevelt contemplated for a while the creation of a new state called Walonia which would have been made with southern Belgium and northern France. Heck the US tried to boot DeGaulle out of the command of Free France by apointing another more US friendly general and even after that Roosevelt wanted to occupy France like they did with Japan.
The only reason those thing didn't happen is because De Gaulle acted quick and ma,ged to set up a provisional government before the US.
@@cyrilmagi6201 And I'm sure domestic US Political considerations had no role whatsoever to do with how US treated France after the war and Truman was of the same mindset as Roosevelt am I right? I mean, the US populace which practically had to be dragged into the war to begin with would just be happy to setup some indefinite hostile US Occupation of France which would last for years at least. I mean, we were worried about what would happen if the War with Japan dragged into the year 1947 (would we have popular support ?)after the Invasion commenced but some Imperialist policy in France? Now THAT would be popular!
And yes, I am being VERY sarcastic here. It's one thing to have a preference as to who will lead France. It's another thing entirely to convict the entire US government and populace of Imperialistic ambitions in France due to some idle dream Roosevelt may or may not have had.
US came in WWI when the war was nearly over. The germans were exhausted by the war. Their impact wasn't really important.
Let's just forget about all the war time supplies, why don't we?
@@remo27 "Let's just forget about all the war time supplies, why don't we?"
Why not? the US is a shit imperialistic country witha dark colonial history (check out the Philippine-American War) and has invaded many countries to this day , have fun with all the Antifa and BLM riots haha.
About the bed thing... This is not the worst part of our "Ancien Régime". Under Louis XIV (14), there was the "petit lever" and "grand lever" of the king (little wake up and great wake up i guess). I can't remember which one it was, but one of the two involved the king going to take a shit, and the courtesans watching him doing so, and complimenting his divine nature.
Louis XV was a worse king than Louis XVI. He was weaker and he failed at everything (most notably, he lost the 7 years war. This is one of our 3 bad defeats with 1870 and 1940). Louis XVI actually did some great things.
English speakers call that a tennis court? Lol. The name of this oath is "Serment du Jeu de Paume". Was no tennis right?
The "Declaration of women's rights" was written by Olympe de Gouges in 1791 by the way, and is considered the foundation of feminism. It promotes equality of rights and status between men and women and extends the "Declaration of men's rights" to women. She fought for gender equality and for the end of slavery (abolished in 1794). For the trivia, Olympe was beheaded in 1793 for attacking harshly and repeatedly the most violent revolutionaries, like Marat at the National Assembly (she was deputy). Marat was actually assassinated in his bathtub by Charlotte Corday, in 1793. Olympe's enemies wrote later reports telling how she cried and whined when going to the guillotine, but many more neutral and contemporary reports claimed that she faced death with calm and courage. She died while shouting "Children of France, you will avenge my death!". By the way, i only learned of her existence in my 30's... That tells a lot about the complexity of the 1st French Revolution, where it is impossible to understand everything without dedicating one's life to study it.
I hate how dirty history treated marie. Most of the messed up rumors about her was just jacobin party propaganda. In reality she was probably the most stressed out person in france before and after the revolution. From the start she had to know her husband was in way over his head and tried her best to support him till the end. And she loved her kids!
I think the reason why Europeans were less obedient compared to the Japanese came to the fact that we had rulers who abused their power for centuries (which rarely happened or was allowed in Japan from what I know...with some exception)...even done to the worst extremes but also, because we didn't knew better than to revolt since the "better example" of how to be and to behave was gone or trampled upon. And most people (peasants or lower classes) back then had the patient of a saint. So even when that runs out you see less obedience and more indignation. And also starvation can affect that too. But there's also the difference of mentality that came with the revolution. Being a cog in the machine vs being individualistic like it was mentioned before.
Because of the French Revolution, many but not all French people I know nowadays and I quote "get always angry and protest everything they don't like".
Pls react to emu war
You showed American revolution 0:00
interesting to know that Japan has world history since they were in long isolationism until the Americans came but it was after that right?
Yeah, she never said anything about the cakes.
React to russia revolution oversimplified in that video japan appers
Good video, please , react to napoleon series of channel epichistory.
i had seem devilman it was good
I already recommend you to make some content about india. Watch this web series of India (The forgotten army) in Amazon prime video. This indian popular web series is related to Japanese army role to form indian troops to fight Britain In WW2. You can make more subscribers as your explanation is very good
Next time the American Civil War. That runs concurrent to the modernizing of Japan.
the poor Japanese people that he kept on showing on screen look like skeletal figures from ww2
Marie Antoinnette the german wife of Louis said poor poeple they do'nt have bread why don't they meat Fouace
I said M Antoinnette was German and she said meat instaid of eat
I don't know how anyone could think Louis XVI was sensible. Likely a poor ruler even in good times but now the country is falling into debt and enlightened ideas are spreading. MAYBE fighting Britain to help the Americans get their own country sounded like a good idea somewhere but unlike the previous Seven Years war which had territory traded (and France lost) there's not a whole lot to gain from this especially with it inspiring the French Revolution. Though I think what really seals it is how he reacted towards the poor feeling unfairly stuck with all the taxes and getting increasingly worse lives, resisting giving them a voice in government and only making their lives worse.
He actually tried to make the clergy and the nobles pay taxes but they've put pressure on him to not do so
Ah yes, ap euro
vive le roy !
The Russian revolution is very interesting
Ah yes, the biggest mistake in history.
could you please stop saying 99% of japanese people in 5 minutes
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