Should Side Stays Break Before a Hull Flies?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- In this video we explore the topic of whether your sidestays should break before you fly a hull on your catamaran.
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Agree! Not that you need anyone to say that but I think this goes back to learning how to sail. I believe it is vitally important for a large cat captains to have sailed small cats and to learn how to manage wind in the sails. Once a person can manage this then it is easier to understand how to manage a large cats power. I hope new catamaran captains will take the time and have a little fun with beach cats as often as they can. It so much fun to boot.
I enjoyed that analysis, thanks. Something else I saw recently could benefit from expert commentary is the benefit/risk of a load dumping cam cleat or how racing innovations fit or fail in cruising applications.
As always great information and so well explained! I have no experience from the equipment that release sheets when the situations get out of hand, like they have on some gunboats etc. would be great to get it explained in depth and perhaps also som examples that's out there with pros and cons.
Yeah it's worth a look at pros and cons of "Upside Up" system. Will put it on the list for discussion 👍
Great video Shayne! Thank you so much for your input on this topic. I have seen videos of the ORC57 using this system and praising it as a safety feature. Always good to know the other side of the coin, especially coming from someone we can trust. Cheers!!
I think the orc57's release the cam cleats on the sheets, rather than the stays. which would be safer if its the case.
We would recommend using load cells but you still need to be vigilant and understand how to use it in order for it to be an effective safety system.
Most years I see a cat or two without rigs. Almost always Lagoons, FP's or Leopards. Almost always they are overloaded. I see a dismasted mono once every five or six years, more than half from chainplate failure, the rest from random end fitting failure.
Nicely put. I honestly thought the "rig designed to lose a stay before the boat flies a hull" was a myth with the big heavy cats. But cost savings? Yeah of course it does make sense to not have 1" diameter shrouds.
Catamaran Impi recently added load cells to their Lagoon 440.
I’d like to try that it seems fun and scary which is the best fun. Is it a hair trigger between upside down and just flying along? Is it difficult to put on the breaks on a sailboat? Do people go sailing million dollar yachts that have no common sense? Lol
Thanks for giving the punch-line in the intro. Would have spit my lunch all over the table if we had to sit here for minutes wondering if you would take sides with the side stays breakers! How did this topic rise up for you guys, ie who is actually promoting this idea? Thankfully not a conversation happening around the San Francisco area :)
Congrats to team OE in round 1. But some young barnacles fans are also A.Magic fans...
🤣🤣 There's some crazy ideas out there. We have had numerous people ask us about it and felt we had to do a bit of myth busting on that one.
PS secretly impressed with American Magic. Those guys sailed a tidy regatta in Vilanova 🤫
Have you thought about making your own strain gauge load cells for your shrouds?
First of all we don't have any spreaders. Secondly it's a hard nut to crack and there are already companies who are making this equipment. Cyclops Marine, and Diverse Marine to name a few
It would be more useful to have a considered and thoughtful conversation about rigging replacement and how it is driven by insurance requirements rather than actual meaningful data, which grows and evolves over time.
We will do a discussion on rigging options and replacement in the future.
have you seen cyclops marine digital direct wired load pins ? are they any good for shrouds ?
Yes I deal with Cyclops Marine a lot in a professional capacity. They are very good people and very helpful. They have some great products but I need to spend a bit more time using their products to give you a solid answer on that. At this stage they won't do load cell pins smaller than 22mm diameter due to technical contraints. That is why they did the turnbuckle bodies. If you talk to Cyclops Marine make sure you mention me (Shayne) as I have been talking to them a lot about load sensing options for smaller boats and it may help them understand your needs.
whoever came up with that 'myth' is a bit nutso. Our boat was a 53 by 27 foot ally Crowther, shrouds were 14mm 19X1 SS, breaking strain around 14 tons, way over the total weight of the loaded boat. Not a performance boat at all although had massive daggerboards, lightship was 10.5 tons. Mast was 65 ft, boom 20 ft, rig was a mast head cutter, double sleeved from the base to about a meter short of the masthead. All up weight of the rig with wire and forestay foil was 752kg.
That's some big gear you were running on your Crowther. And yeah, couldn't believe people think that sidestays breaking is a safety feature!
Is it a good idea to have a fuse on the main sheet?
That would be the soft squishy human paying attention to his fully wicked up catamaran😉
There are some systems like the "Upside Up" used by Gunboat but they have their own set of problems too
I've never heard this one before.
Obviously started by someone with no experience.
Load Cell $65 Amazon