There seems to be a resurgence in comments complaining about the quality of track and whether it’s safe to carry nuclear waste on... first of all, there’s a 5-10mph speed limit on the line for a reason and secondly, a variation of this train has been running on this line for more than 40 years with absolutely no issues as far as I can recall. They wouldn’t be running it if it wasn’t safe to do so people!
You should link the old test video where they smashed a locomotive into those waste containers, even if something happened and the train slowly derailed or the wagon tipped over the container would be fine.
From a basic physics principle, as long as those rails are held down at 1435mm between the vertical surfaces of the inside of the rails, and there is no danger of landslips (none evident) or sinkholes (unlikely), those containers were judged "good to go" and the whole video makes me proud of safety methodology.
I'm no train-spotter Mark, but these lads just "capture stuff" and the video and sound quality is pure "Attenborough" (but for machines - give or take a bush or tree).
Dungeness B is still very much generating electricity, the flasks are under the white cover you can see on the vid, these trains carry spent fuel from the reactor to Sellafield up in Cumbria, all the low level stuff go's by road to Drig, don't worry about security as the lid on the flasks needs specialist kit to remove and weigh several tons, if you were daft enough to try and get in one the civil nuclear constabulary would be very interested very quickly and they are armed, if you did succeed in getting the lid off it would be all over even quicker.
I can reassure you Scotty, that they were there to ensure you were exercising. This is why they were armed. It was nothing to do with the spent fuel-rod casks.
You met the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, Britain’s smallest police force and the only Home Office Constabulary to be routinely always armed. They escort all movements of nuclear material. Basically they are full time anti terrorism police and we are lucky to have them.
Can't get enough footage on the flask wagon trains! Brilliant, very creepy but Dungeness is on of my favourite places. Used to holiday there in the sixties as a young boy. When I get back to the UK I always have a trip down there.
They say 069 is haunted with the horn going off at certain times and the cab driver was killed in it...there has been sightings of his ghost in it, and also the feeling someone is right behind you!
Marcus Nixon I remember Boco, but I don’t remember what episode Boco appeared on. But his particular train on here was featured on a Thomas and friends like once or twice. Same exact color, look, everything.
Alvin McCranie This engine is a BR Class 40. The engine on Thomas the tank engine that your thinking about is D261 also nicknamed class 40 and bowler. He made his full appearance in season 4 episode 18 titled “bowlered out”. I hope this help 😊 here’s the official fandom website link about the character ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Class_40
@@reddiamond_1753 not a 40, a 37 - the 40 had a turbo sound that gave it the nickname 'Whistler' - check out the difference on YT ua-cam.com/video/5QtL6M1fEv8/v-deo.html \m/
officialmcdeath ok I see the difference now. Thank you very much! If I may ask why do these classes look so similar in shape? I’ve noticed the class 46 diesels also look kinda similar to this too
Likewise at Milton Keynes Central - when it runs this train storms through northbound at around 21.30. It can be heard a full minute before it passes. It was common to see it triple headed with a mix of class 20`s & 37`s, I suppose nowadays its hauled by more modern power units!!!
@@RailinKent So long as the Track Gauge is maintained, the train will be fine. Most accidents happen when the sleepers are rotten and the track can spread under the train.
Those flasks weight 50 tons, as there so well made, carry 2.5 tons of waste, under regular transportation there's no way they could be of any harm, l am a coded welder l used to weld them up.
Should be noted the wagons only carry low level nuclear waste like hazmat suits and gloves - it isn't carrying uranium rods! Edit: I think they do carry the spent rods, I'm no expert on this subject!
Rail in Kent any idea how heavy a fully loaded reactor is? Uranium is insainly heavy plus al the lead shielding... A train would be way better suited for something like that. Ships even better.
Bear in mind, they've got to look as ordinary as possible. It puts people's minds at rest to see 'just another diesel' driving by, rather than some chrome-plated monstrosity with 'Warning - Nuclear Waste' plastered on it.
LightingDesk shouldn’t be too scary, there’s no chance of the wagons breaking open. There has never been any incidents in the 40 years that this train has run, so that speaks volumes about how safe it is!
Every working day one travels west up the tyne valley line early in the afternoon. Sometimes only one flask sometimes two. On their way to be reprocessed at sellafield. Not often pulled by these old girls anymore sadly
From my understanding it is because of the safety regulations not a need for the power. If they only had one loco and it fails it would leave nuclear waste stuck somewhere on the network so the second loco is purely for back up should the first one fail.
I don't think it is, but people still work there and the trains still need to take their low-level nuclear waste (gloves, hazmat suits etc.) to be disposed of.
It branches off the mainline at Appledore, so if you follow the main road from there to Dungeness you will cross it, but there are a few quieter roads you can see it at.
As a train driver, I can tell you that the loco is showing the correct frontal lights as it has it’s marker lights and daytime headlight illuminated. During the hours of darkness, the headlight on the other side would instead be illuminated. This is so if you are stopped at a signal, the nighttime headlight would light up the signal identification plate. I believe that newer trains may have both headlights on at all times, but am happy to be corrected on that point. As for the condition of the track, it would be in line with the permissible speed. A low speed branch line will not be to the same tolerances as a high speed mainline. Love the armchair expert comment. Very funny!🤣👍
I used to think that they used 2 locos on such a short train because nuclear flasks were unusually heavy. Actually it's because the spent fuel cannot be left for too long so 2 locos reduces the possibility of train failure.
No. First, it's not weapons, it's fuel. Second, those casks are extremely tough and hard to crack. This is an old test, but... ua-cam.com/video/2jzugX2NMnk/v-deo.html
State of the nation, infrastructure in tatters as we comply with euro commie demands.....Transporting highly radioactive spent fuel on tracks that look like they belong in sub-saharan africa. Overgrown and barely usable above a walking pace..... Class 37s look and sound fantastic though, great examples of British engineering. I’d feel better if they were traveling a bit quicker though. Used to listen to them at night moving coal from the Durham coast mines to Sunderland docks when I was a kid. I still love that sound. Highlight for me though was the once daily Intercity at 8-45pm using the Durham coastal track. Tracks were repaired properly then, and we weren’t relying on Norway for fuel for power stations. We should be on the streets protesting.....Bread and games people, or more accurately beer and television.
Rail in Kent are you seriously saying our roads are better?! Lol they wouldnt spend all that money on moving suits and gloves by rail and then send the far more dangerous rods by road. I know this country is upside down and inside out but thats just silly and totally ilogical. Great vid though 😀
Can anyone answer this question please: When two engines are pulling, how do the engines match their power output? Are these two engines working together? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the reply Willie. Why do we need two engines to pull such a low weight load? Rail in Kent says its only low level stuff and therefore i'm guessing low weight so why two engines? How do i tag Rail in Kent in my posts? Thanks Willie. Love Rail in all its glory. Thanks for all your help in my communications. How do i tag Willie also :)
Steve Carr two engines purely in case of a loco failure. These things can’t be left static on the line as a security risk and yes the locos are connected
There seems to be a resurgence in comments complaining about the quality of track and whether it’s safe to carry nuclear waste on... first of all, there’s a 5-10mph speed limit on the line for a reason and secondly, a variation of this train has been running on this line for more than 40 years with absolutely no issues as far as I can recall. They wouldn’t be running it if it wasn’t safe to do so people!
The long zooms make the track look worse than it is....
You should link the old test video where they smashed a locomotive into those waste containers, even if something happened and the train slowly derailed or the wagon tipped over the container would be fine.
From a basic physics principle, as long as those rails are held down at 1435mm between the vertical surfaces of the inside of the rails, and there is no danger of landslips (none evident) or sinkholes (unlikely), those containers were judged "good to go" and the whole video makes me proud of safety methodology.
Spread a few tons of ballast and put a tamper over it , it's not a hs line anyway.
Was anyone else expecting a nuclear powered train? :-D
Yes!!
no
These were & still are the best engines & I'd say the 'V8 Scania of the railway'.
I love the sound of the class 37's it so British to me please keep them going as long as you can 🙏🤞👍
I'm no train-spotter Mark, but these lads just "capture stuff" and the video and sound quality is pure "Attenborough" (but for machines - give or take a bush or tree).
Dungeness B is still very much generating electricity, the flasks are under the white cover you can see on the vid, these trains carry spent fuel from the reactor to Sellafield up in Cumbria, all the low level stuff go's by road to Drig, don't worry about security as the lid on the flasks needs specialist kit to remove and weigh several tons, if you were daft enough to try and get in one the civil nuclear constabulary would be very interested very quickly and they are armed, if you did succeed in getting the lid off it would be all over even quicker.
I took photo's of one of the nuclear waste trains at Lydd and got questioned by armed police as to why I was taking photo's
I can reassure you Scotty, that they were there to ensure you were exercising. This is why they were armed. It was nothing to do with the spent fuel-rod casks.
Were you standing on public land?
@@iamaduckquack there's a level crossing in Lydd, I was on the pavement at the crossing
But obviously....you weren’t nicked. Finish the story....why not?
You met the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, Britain’s smallest police force and the only Home Office Constabulary to be routinely always armed. They escort all movements of nuclear material. Basically they are full time anti terrorism police and we are lucky to have them.
Rail looks bad on telephoto-lens, fine for this sort of work👍👍
Can't get enough footage on the flask wagon trains! Brilliant, very creepy but Dungeness is on of my favourite places. Used to holiday there in the sixties as a young boy. When I get back to the UK I always have a trip down there.
Very cool video. Interesting to see the difference from across the pond
Excellent movie! Beautiful shots with the nature and I really liked how majestically the train was moving. Big thumbs up!
2:31
Tree: Hey, I'm standing here...
Engine: Your point?
It was a nice bit of bush. Beautiful bush set to one side by a gorgeous machine.
@@The670533 yea it was a good scene.
They say 069 is haunted with the horn going off at certain times and the cab driver was killed in it...there has been sightings of his ghost in it, and also the feeling someone is right behind you!
Creepy
What's the story haw was the driver killed?
Chris Lates an object smashed through the window hitting the driver on the head, killing him instantly.
@@s3bbyg457 thugs no doubt
Its quite cool how the driver slows the train a little bit once it gets close to you
Yam Gabe Because the level crossings are so old and manually operated, there’s a 5mph speed restriction over them
This video has an eerie vibe which cannot be explained
Great train buff video, nice slow passes and plenty of time to watch and listen. 👍
Ive stopped here many times over the years and never seen a train. This vid is fantastic, cheers bud 😀
Nice, class 37’s are lite, love them probably my fav British loco ever, despite being American
It amazes me just how real these trains are. I remember this specific train from Thomas and friends but don’t know what episode.
Are you thinking of Boco?
Marcus Nixon I remember Boco, but I don’t remember what episode Boco appeared on. But his particular train on here was featured on a Thomas and friends like once or twice. Same exact color, look, everything.
Alvin McCranie This engine is a BR Class 40. The engine on Thomas the tank engine that your thinking about is D261 also nicknamed class 40 and bowler. He made his full appearance in season 4 episode 18 titled “bowlered out”. I hope this help 😊 here’s the official fandom website link about the character
ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Class_40
@@reddiamond_1753 not a 40, a 37 - the 40 had a turbo sound that gave it the nickname 'Whistler' - check out the difference on YT ua-cam.com/video/5QtL6M1fEv8/v-deo.html \m/
officialmcdeath ok I see the difference now. Thank you very much! If I may ask why do these classes look so similar in shape? I’ve noticed the class 46 diesels also look kinda similar to this too
Crumbs he really does turn her round when he passes through Appledore don’t he!
Those rails we used to call "walking rails" because any faster, there was trouble...in this case, with his consist, slower is surer.
Venerable old 37’s most definitely my favourite diesel
One passes through Preston railway station at around 7.30am, Monday to Friday without fail and you can hear it coming from miles away!!
Likewise at Milton Keynes Central - when it runs this train storms through northbound at around 21.30. It can be heard a full minute before it passes. It was common to see it triple headed with a mix of class 20`s & 37`s, I suppose nowadays its hauled by more modern power units!!!
Stomping Brilliant. One of the finest classes of diesel.
That line needs some TLC. I remember when it was a passenger line . . . .
What camera did you use to film at the time?
The big advantage for the train driver is the overtime pay.
Those rails are nicely bent and buggered!
Telephoto lens, heat distortion etc. Not bent rails.
I can assure you they are not in the best of condition!
_Perfect_ for transporting nuclear waste
@@RailinKent So long as the Track Gauge is maintained, the train will be fine. Most accidents happen when the sleepers are rotten and the track can spread under the train.
There always used to be a barrier waggon each end and a brake van for safety reasons.
I remember them bad boys when I used to go on day rovers the pulled the trains thanks for sharing 😷🦠😷
Those flasks weight 50 tons, as there so well made, carry 2.5 tons of waste, under regular transportation there's no way they could be of any harm, l am a coded welder l used to weld them up.
Sinister. Reference similar train featuring in BBC miniseries Edge of Darkness (1985). Its funeral-procession pace gives me the creeps.
This thing sounds like a diesel truck with a sick horn.
I think I recall seeing the waste train go through Chislehurst and Elmstead Woods during the1980’s when I took the train to/from school....
That horn sounds horrible lol but I love the way the train looks. Diesel 10 from Thomas the tank engine is based off that style train
Locomotive* and of course it’s horrible it’s a European horn
Andrew Chaston why you wanna watch?
Ya
+ Operation Unknown Not quite the same loco, but they do have a vaguely similar appearance. Are you big on trains?
Operation Unknown I guess you're 2tone deaf.
I hope these are eventually put up for preservation in time to come ..I'd hate to hear these 2 trains have been scrapped
There are already plenty of Class 37s in preservation, these two will probably be in service for a few more years to come!
37's are still quite widely used, so don't worry. They're not going anywhere just yet.
Don’t worry about scrapping. Those tough old birds can do this duty for ever!!
Should be noted the wagons only carry low level nuclear waste like hazmat suits and gloves - it isn't carrying uranium rods!
Edit: I think they do carry the spent rods, I'm no expert on this subject!
Oh man, I am disappoint!
How do the rods get to the powerplant than?
Taxi
By road I'm pretty sure. Tracks are too unstable and would shake the rods about
Rail in Kent any idea how heavy a fully loaded reactor is? Uranium is insainly heavy plus al the lead shielding... A train would be way better suited for something like that. Ships even better.
This used to pass behind my house in London some years ago
Looks like they could do with running the Plasser down that stretch of track.
Hardly worth it for one train a week.
I've been in 069! But I was 3 so I can't quite remember much though I'll tell you that it sure was noisy
I expected a nuclear train to look more futuristic ;). Cool vid all the same.
I agree. I was looking forward to seeing something similar to "The Big Bus"!
Bear in mind, they've got to look as ordinary as possible. It puts people's minds at rest to see 'just another diesel' driving by, rather than some chrome-plated monstrosity with 'Warning - Nuclear Waste' plastered on it.
They could go all out and get Thomas the Tank to pull it.
Sounds like the first Loco has an unloader valve going off.
Two 37's and two flasks. Must go like a rocket. I guess breakdown isn't an option.
How much does a flask weigh?
Lee Hauxwell each flask is about 50 tonnes
@@16bookie Yr correct 50 tons empty, they carry 2.5 ton and are shipped all over the world.
I have to say that the branch line reminds me of something out of Rowland Emmett!
Excellent video.
I don't suppose you have anything of Chatham Dockyard? I was in Nuclear Towers for a while. I watched HMS Courageous' reactor being shipped out.
I think I'm a bit too young to know anything about that!
I am guessing the front flask is full and the second one empty as the second one doesnt have a radioactive danger sign?
That’s a huge security risk to go so slow on buggered tracks. Allows boarding by anyone intent on it. Needs upgraded or repaired.
I doubt anyone can board a moving train at 10mph. This train has run for 40 years if they wanted to do that, they’d have done it by now.
Reminds me of the nuclear train scenes from Edge of Darkness
Or London Burning episode 👍
man this thing is slow but it has to be to handle hazereds metirials
Thought she was abandoned by the thumbnail. Then I was like scariest train to drive ever.
LightingDesk shouldn’t be too scary, there’s no chance of the wagons breaking open. There has never been any incidents in the 40 years that this train has run, so that speaks volumes about how safe it is!
Was standing on Bromley South station one morning many years ago and this came through.
Every working day one travels west up the tyne valley line early in the afternoon. Sometimes only one flask sometimes two. On their way to be reprocessed at sellafield. Not often pulled by these old girls anymore sadly
Superb captures !!
How many axles are on each car?
Is that a Geiger counter clicking in the background?
Adam T No, it’s the 37
Very interesting. Have a nice day now.
So the line is still used today ?
Where's the armed guard, and the helicopter escort? Oh. Sorry! This is England.
Unless someone is willing to fire a rocket launcher at the nuclear container, I'm sure the cargo is safe!
Only on the roads. Aldermaston to Coalport.
I was being sarcastic.
Well done
Nothing short of a direct hit off a bunker buster bomb Would open those containers...
Humans look so small and squishy in comparison.
5:29 I think I hear an E2S alarm in the background.
Cool video nice suprise
How heavy are the flasks if 2 37s are required for 2 flasks
Liam's layout no, it’s in case one of them breaks down, there is another to keep it moving. High sensitivity of the load means it needs to keep going.
They weigh 50 ton each empty, carry upto 2.5 ton of waste, the 37s weigh around 100 ton each.
Is it safe to be near that uranium?
UberLukario don’t be thick
@Rail in Kent
Is this load so heavy it requires two Class 37? Or is it for redundancy? or..?
Djurre8520 it’s in case one breaks down, there is another to keep it moving.
The flasks weigh 50 ton each, 2 loco's just incase one fails.
The train sounds like it is powered by a big rubber band.
A 3 legged hamster on a Harley
At 2:32 the loco fights it's way through the bushes.
Lordy! look at the condition of the rails, imagine the H&S people on a derailment, Come on whoever is in charge of this...... SORT IT OUT.
The rails are fine
Lukestang_59 no they are bud but I’m not going to dispute this with you so
Why does it need two locos to pull that small train, genuine question as i don't know that much about this stuff
From my understanding it is because of the safety regulations not a need for the power.
If they only had one loco and it fails it would leave nuclear waste stuck somewhere on the network so the second loco is purely for back up should the first one fail.
I’d hate to be the driver of that thing. Lol.
Good footage
Why use two engines. Wouldn’t one be perfectly capable
Creaghalls I guess that makes sense
Yes one is very capable, it's just incase one loco broke down.
I thought dungerness power station wasn’t active anymore
I don't think it is, but people still work there and the trains still need to take their low-level nuclear waste (gloves, hazmat suits etc.) to be disposed of.
Rail in Kent
Argh ok, Makes Sense .
Where is the Rail I’ve only been up as far as the lighthouse on the Little choo choo
It branches off the mainline at Appledore, so if you follow the main road from there to Dungeness you will cross it, but there are a few quieter roads you can see it at.
I think that there is still one reactor still operational
Im going to do a video on exporing dungeness.
track sure is in great shape to be hauling nuclear waste over. Headlight out on train. Homer Simpson must be in charge or better BNFL....
Armchair expert. Lol. Sit back down
As a train driver, I can tell you that the loco is showing the correct frontal lights as it has it’s marker lights and daytime headlight illuminated. During the hours of darkness, the headlight on the other side would instead be illuminated. This is so if you are stopped at a signal, the nighttime headlight would light up the signal identification plate. I believe that newer trains may have both headlights on at all times, but am happy to be corrected on that point. As for the condition of the track, it would be in line with the permissible speed. A low speed branch line will not be to the same tolerances as a high speed mainline. Love the armchair expert comment. Very funny!🤣👍
nO nO don’t don’t don’t explode
I used to think that they used 2 locos on such a short train because nuclear flasks were unusually heavy. Actually it's because the spent fuel cannot be left for too long so 2 locos reduces the possibility of train failure.
Thé train started at 9060
2:32 so nobody is gonna trim that tree?
This is not "nuclear train"...project was dropped many times ago!
Jesus, did you not bother reading the description or comments? It carries nuclear waste, making it a nuclear waste train.
Guess you have never worked in the UK nuclear industry if you think that is acceptable!
ryanshern73 no I don’t, but the people over at Dungeness clearly don’t mind seeing that this has run for well over 30/40 years.
I live very near there, so I should be concerned that trains carrying nuclear weapons run near me
No. First, it's not weapons, it's fuel. Second, those casks are extremely tough and hard to crack. This is an old test, but... ua-cam.com/video/2jzugX2NMnk/v-deo.html
Oh ok thank you
@@finley1578 No worries, I'm happy to reassure!
Weapons go by truck convoy. Lots of videos of warhead Convoys on here.
Anyone like me think that the train is powered by nuclear?
additome No.
I came here with the same expectations but I thought that that was almost impossible.
THAT HORN SOUNDS HORRIBLE GEESH
Infinite fuel.
But I Wanna See One Of The Carts Carrying A Nuke :(
Every normal working day be on the tyne valley line one heads west early afternoon. I work in hexham and it passes through just after 15:00
Pathetic rail conditions. Needs re laying
No real need seeing it's used once a week. Speed limit on it is only 5 to 20 mph as well
I thought that as well
State of the nation, infrastructure in tatters as we comply with euro commie demands.....Transporting highly radioactive spent fuel on tracks that look like they belong in sub-saharan africa. Overgrown and barely usable above a walking pace..... Class 37s look and sound fantastic though, great examples of British engineering. I’d feel better if they were traveling a bit quicker though. Used to listen to them at night moving coal from the Durham coast mines to Sunderland docks when I was a kid. I still love that sound. Highlight for me though was the once daily Intercity at 8-45pm using the Durham coastal track. Tracks were repaired properly then, and we weren’t relying on Norway for fuel for power stations. We should be on the streets protesting.....Bread and games people, or more accurately beer and television.
fallout music needed here
Rail in Kent are you seriously saying our roads are better?! Lol they wouldnt spend all that money on moving suits and gloves by rail and then send the far more dangerous rods by road. I know this country is upside down and inside out but thats just silly and totally ilogical. Great vid though 😀
NUCLEAR?! I didn't subscribe for this...
have you been on channel 5?
We were in last years Great Model Railway Challenge on Channel 5.
Not gonna lie. One of the prettiest sections of line in Kent
danger load on shit rails
Can anyone answer this question please: When two engines are pulling, how do the engines match their power output? Are these two engines working together? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the reply Willie. Why do we need two engines to pull such a low weight load? Rail in Kent says its only low level stuff and therefore i'm guessing low weight so why two engines? How do i tag Rail in Kent in my posts? Thanks Willie. Love Rail in all its glory. Thanks for all your help in my communications. How do i tag Willie also :)
Steve Carr two engines purely in case of a loco failure. These things can’t be left static on the line as a security risk and yes the locos are connected