Okay, at the start of the vid I was like "yeah I mean they are indeed not really expansions, they are sorta closer to what IBS was supposed to be, but instead of being free, it's paid, but with a fix update schedule, which honestly feels like some battle pass or such." and then 7 and a half minutes in you say the same thing 😂 Another genuine criticism I have against them are the "road maps" they show for each expansion, like what you show around 7:00 like, I love the franchise, but those "road maps" they write in there is like how I bloated my exams papers with filler words to make it look long and big for my teacher. "Major rewards" and lists whatever possible, while they are completely normal things coming with a game, it's literally should so basic I shouldn't even expect it being mentioned. "Mastery updates" we all know they always add at least one meaningless mastery with updates and it brings nothing, takes me 15 minutes to get it and am done with it, it's not content, never was, it's just a weird passive goal everyone fulfills automatically eventually. The only things even worth mentioning on these are at best "new map(s)" and "raid/strikes/fractals" but even those are just a single thing. To me Anet suffers because they aren't as big as other studios like SE making FF14 or Blizz making WoW. They simply don't have the manpower to do so, and they also don't crunch which is respectable, cuz the industry suffers from that already at many places, but everyone can feel it's rather empty and minimal what they end up making. They work and try to work with passion and I will personally never abandon the franchise as I grew up on it and if I may say, legit saved my life as a kid. The older expacs were great at release, but were neither the best since we had so much drought afterward as well. The unfortunate issue is that we expect what we would expect from similar games in terms of content amount, like what I would expect from WoW or ff14 or such games, while they lack the numbers to make the same and this way people (it's often very noticeable as there is always comparison) bring up these games and then say how little Anet makes. We expect more as we should and would, and that is normal, and that they cannot deliver due to lacking numbers that is normal as well. Things just simply won't align, and I always just hope that the new release cadence will bring them more funding to hire more people to expand the teams working on the expacs, it's a devilish cycle they have to break to be able to deliver more. But just as you mention as well, the game is for casual players by now, and is mainly catering for total casuals, which is fine. You can notice it time to time how much they try to make you understand that the game is supposed to be played casually and give it time, not rush. Just look at Klobjarne, people complained immediately at how time gated it is with all the components, albeit all it takes is just to play the game and let it happen naturally. But most players are impatient, "we" want things as soon as available, it's the new shiny and you want it. Everything in the game is basically "OPTIONAL CONTENT" there is no real mandatory content and that works for it as you are supposed to form your own goals. My personal problem always was that the game "always gives you options to do something or set a goal" BUT "doesn't give you the reasons to do it so you have to make your own reasoning." However I love that the game respects your time, people should understand that you CAN -freely- play any other game beside it and won't make you feel stressed out, unlike something like FF14 or WoW etc with subs or heavy content drops that makes previous content obsolete and forgotten, you can ONLY experience those once truly, if you miss those early on, you will never experience it anymore the way it was intended, unlike in GW2 for 99% of its content.
(love your content!!!!!!!) wow you said it so well , one thing i think that is better for new players(soto, janfir) after they are done with the new stuff they have the past of the game to do on the off time , gw2 is the only game i know that the expansion there sealing me are actual expansion , the old game is still as relevant , in any other mmo's the new expansion make the older expansions irrelevant gw2 is building with lego and crafting the each part to fit , it dosnt just build a new foundation over the old like wow dose , it would be fastening to see what new player thing about it
Love this Nox. ^ Us vets have definitely watched the game go through a lot of changes. To me: I think that's why GW2 is great at this point though. Through sheer force of evolution' it's not trying to be 14 or WoW, and has become the ultimate "drop in/drop out mmo" because there's nothing else that still exists as as player friendly like it. Disappointing for some, but great for others. We all have things we'd want. I personally would love more frequent,meaningful balance patches. But that's not the Timeline we're on. And ultimately I don't think that would be as good for the longevity of the game as, say, if that dev $ went to adding newer hats to the Gem Store as tragic as that is. Gotta find a balance as it were, which I think(hope) they're doing better now.
Especially for the recent update, the mastery and new homestead stuff are literally the same thing - the new mastery is another level of the homestead mastery that unlocks the new decorations.
7:30 | As you know, I work in marketing IRL so when ANet first announced SotO, I was able to cheat a little bit and peer behind the curtain b/c I knew the games industry was moving away from RNG/Loot Boxes to make $ to Battle Passes and I called SotO for what I was: "A Battle Pass but an Actually *Good* one that the rest of the industry should follow. Still, the amount of backlash I got for this was staggering. I'm glad people are getting more on-board with this idea now tho. The Game's Industry is tumultuous and unpredictable. Job security basically doesn't exist. And I still maintain that if $25 Battle Passes mean we get hard dates for content drops and balance releases instead of vague "Oh maybe sometime in the future probably" I'm all for it. Great video, also you sound exactly the same man. Feel better soon! 😄
@@snowblood74 I mean to be fair, you don't in GW2. Despite being a Battle Pass' model, the Wizard's Vault is probably the best in the industry, where it a) Astonished doesn't have a premium ($) tier & b) Everything remains available at all times going forward. I would have preferred full-er more widely spaced expansions as well, but "a)" Still blows my mind.
@@snowblood74 What do you miss out on? Soto has no time exclusive content like season 1 had and all special items in the Wizard Vault except the current legendary starter kit remain forever in the legacy tab. But from the looks of it, each weapon comes back after some time.
The sad thing for people in poor countries (like me) is that ANet doesnt really localize their prices. So a 25 dollar "expansion" is literally 130 bucks for me, and ive heard its even WORSE in other countries. Even If it goes on a sale for 20% its still 94 bucks for me and thats more than some AAA games i can buy on steam. I'm a relatively new player (just hit 200 hours) and dont know much about the wizard's vault, so the next part is just some of my baseless worries. Since i cant afford to drop 100+ bucks every time a new expansion release, the other tab of the wizards vault with cosmetics wont ever be a thing for me, same for the legendary weapon sets. IF these things eventually come back to the other tab then i dont mind waiting a few months... ... BUT what if they arent coming back? What if i get Janthir Wilds later on and the rewards are already gone, can i never get them? Cause if i cant then this feels pretty shitty, specially when one of the major things people told me about this game was that i can play casually and that the game doesnt rush me, so facing this FOMO thing all of a sudden feels very shit. Yes, ultimately some of these things are just cosmetics, but it doesnt make the feeling any less shitty to not get a cool skin because i didnt pay MORE for a mini expansion than i paid for Monster Hunter World at full price. I'd also really love to craft Legendaries after i get my account set on other PVE content and i heard these sets help TREMENDOUSLY, so its a big turn off to be left out of that as well. I'm still in love with this game deeply and plan on buys SOTO next cause i really liked some of the new weapons for professions (Sword necromancer looks amazing and i main Reaper) + getting the Skycale is kinda fun and easier in that as well, these are just some minor things that still weight on my mind from time to time.
100% true. The Wizard’s Vault says it all. These “expansions” follow a battle pass model. I’m okay with no more ESpecs as the team is already too strapped balancing and making the ESpecs in the game more playable. The copium in these comments is delicious and hilarious. People never want to understand that criticism is meant to drive the devs toward improvements. Great video.
They went for a worse model for a reason. You're the one who's on copium thinking any amount of valid criticism can change things to the way they were.😂 Anet is working on another game, whine all you want it won't change for the better for GW2. Uninstall and move on to another IP.
One key difference is you can earn past rewards that you may have otherwise missed. Most games don't let you earn rewards from previous battlepasses and that's pretty sweet in my opinion.
I've always seen it more of their way of doing a subscription. Though I think it's hard for people who have played GW2 through the years. I just hit my 10 year mark and as a player of the game for that long, I've always felt that A-Net never quite found their footing with GW2. Things were always changing and uncertain, different management that had different visions of what GW2 should be has made the game quite messy. So I think there is a degree of contempt with long time players. Like honestly to be a player during the PoF era, this really feels underwhelming, it's difficult to come back from that. Plus the company has felt like it's been on catch up since EoD. The story's really dipped for me, the quality has also, I don't know everything just feels rushed. You go back to some of the old maps they're so fun to explore I still find things to this day, but these new maps just feel so sparse and empty. I'll always come back to the game because I've invested so much, but I don't know, the games kinda fell off for me
Thank you so much. This inside is such a liberation/ relief to me. Now it all makes sense again. And I too went unconsciously to a more casual play style in the past year. Happy Christmas and again thank you so much ❤
I totally agree with that point. Making a new 9 professions when about a 1/3 are almost a relic of the past with no purpose for near future or reworking some unpopular features would not bring a mass of new players to develope the game. But a battlepass a goodish way to keep players around casualy do daily/weekly and put a little efford into new and older grinds. I mean the game got some huge sinks of gold on leggys and skins and also a good variety of farms like gold+currencies, gold+titles and gold+achives. Also reintrodusing older materials for new sinks fills like a nice way to make some older farms great again.
Making new professions would not bring new players to the game, but not fixing the 1/3 that are not functional in the current game state is a sure way to lose players, battlepass or not. People still have to enjoy the game at least somewhat, and doing older metas with one button builds because o power creep is not most player's idea of it
@@sasha9796 well i cant imagine any reliable way to keep a 10+ years game fresh. Though i agree balansing 2 button dps and a complicated rotations to about same dps make noone play harder classes. So realisticly 1/3 proffs got no purpuse, and other 1/3 lose competition to easier proffs. Bad game disign, but i think you need a materpiece balance to fix it and demanding masterpiece is not fair...
@@incosto6036 it is not fair to demand balance in an action video game? The kind that focuses on combat? Where 95 percent of gameplay is combat? Be serious. If that is true, and Anet really can't fix it, there really is no point in playing the game, because it means they failed at the most basic gameplay loop. More importantly though, it is not true. As far as pve especially endgame pve is concerned, the balance state of the game right now is the worst it has ever been in the game's existence and it has remained so for two and a half years now. Back when we had 9 elite specializations to choose from instead of 27, not one of them took up 30 percent of all raiding spaces.
@@sasha9796 Yea i agree with that. Game is in a sad state. Devs made major part of profs some haddicap-style profs for funplay only. Playerbase goes down and most of active players only collecting leggyes, skins and achives. I cant see any revive potential from new expansion model, merely an attempt to keep some players around to finish some goals with the game.
You wanna know how casual GW2 used to be? I didn't play any story past HoT. I would just login to obtain ownership of latest living world and login rewards, maybe do dailies or a meta, then logoff to play my other games. Now the yearly expansion payment model with wizard vault battle pass that has a timer ticking down to both purchase and play all the content to unlock the currency needed for the rewards, else you'll be forever behind with inflated costs and missed gold that used to be login rewards. This is actually a big difference that forces players to spend and play the game more often. Players will have to decide to commit to GW2 or not, forcing the hard choice to engage or quit.
tbh it didn't change my experience with the game one bit, (besides a minor issue), I've been playing since around path of fire launch, and I usually play about twice a year for a couple of months, with that schedule I managed to build up a couple of characters, be up to date with the story, make some leggies and in general enjoy pretty much anything the game has to offer, and I don't feel I missed out on anything when SotO launched. I still haven't bought SotO nor JW and I don't plan on buying them anytime soon since I'm poor and can't spend money on games. The only thing that actually changed for my experience is the using weapons with every character thing, which changed a lot of builds for raiding, so now my build with almost every character is suboptimal just because I can't throw money at the game, which is arguably a more insidious problem than having to commit to playing more often, you know?
@@evres0224it’s more to do with the wizard vault. There is a lot of gold you can get by hardly playing the game with every refresh of the vault. The skin’s will always be there but at a higher price once new rewards come in. You will just be missing out on of easy gold if you don’t grab it before the new season.
Exactly. I'm also a casual player since I simply don't have time to play that often. I've been playing it almost exclusively for a couple of years (since HoT), but the Wizard's Vault with it's time limits triggered my fomo and made it into a chore rather than casual fun...so I quit bc it just wasn't fun anymore even though I really love this game
I'd say it's more a DLC Season Pass kinda thing than a Battle Pass, you pay for a bunch of content with a part of it releasing over time. The Wizard's Vault is the battle pass (I believe even the devs said as much when it was introduced), but a Battle Pass usually doesn't come with content.
if you compare it to PoF and HoT sure, not the same, but I would still call them Expansions, they literally add new content and features to the game, they "expand" the game. My issue is with the patches they feel disconnected from the initial release, which is not a good thing. If I play the expansion a year later after all the patches are out, then my experience should be the same as HoT and PoF, one big coherent experience. Now if we are talking about the amount of new stuff (number of maps, how long is the story, instanced content etc) I don't think it needs much explanation, the team working on gw2 now is not the same back then, same as the resources. Logically they cannot make the same amount of content.
I think it's a major oversight to advertise the JW Convergence with, "Everytime the story is told, it's slightly different than before", then release it with only one boss and literally no differences to how it's played out at all. It's BARELY false advertising since they're not "done" with it. I like everything else though, maps are still cool, and the raid is pretty fun.
I disagree with this assessement. I can understand why the wizards vault looks like a battlepass because sure technically it is of sorts. With quality of life improvements such as get the best reward first if thats what you want but true it is fundamentally a battle pass system. However the Wizards vault is not all the expansions provide. No Battlepass includes a housing system. None Includes new zones, new skills, new quests etc... Are the new expansions the same scope of old expansions. No, of course not but thats why Anet refers to them as mini expansions. And its not just a question of naming. the Big expanions took years to make. Not only did they take years to make but in case of heart of thorns there was a huge content draught after release as in all likehood HoT was all hands on deck and any subsequent content had to start from scratch. Than you need to factor in layoffs which more then likely reduced the team size working on Gw2. Not to mention potentially some of the team might have been moved to work on the new project. Smaller team, which only has one half to one third the time to work on an expansion as previous expansions team had cannot realistically be expected to put out content with same scope and size. It more fair to compare 2 mini expansions with the old expansions. Its fair to say scope has been reduced because it clearly has even comparing 2 mini expansions with 1 old expansion but I dont feel its fair to say all Anet is doing now is issueing yearly battle passes. Clearly they're still doing a lot more than that.
Oh sht! I haven't thought about it that way but I think I agree with you. I was disappointed with EoD and unsure with the direction GW2 was going, so I refrained from buying SotO. I still don't own SotO and JW. Especially since I kinda stopped caring about the story with EoD, not the story itself but it felt more and more centered on characters' emotions rather than the story of Tyria, SotO and JW really do seem like just battle passes to me. I've payed for battle passes in the past for games like Dead by Daylight and Apex Legends, and the way I'm playing GW2 right now feels like I'm just playing with the free version of the battle pass, meant to entice me to pay for exclusive items. Problem is, it's not that enticing Dx Mindblown. I was looking for those two words: battle pass XD
If the story, new weapons, and new zones/content isn't enticing enough for you then it's all good. I think people need to learn to let go of things. I'd prefer people go and play other games or do other things. My biggest gripe with Reddit and the UA-cam comments in some videos is the vitriol and hate for the game, obviously this video is not that. I stopped going on the gw2 subreddit for a while because of all the "criticism" which really was just people saying tunnel bad, Soto bad, gw2 dead game, anet bad, etc. I wanna hear why, why do you think it's bad, what are you unhappy about and how can it be better, or just don't say anything at all. why waste others time expressing yourself with no actual critique.
@@Tillionz I don't know the situation with Reddit and I only check YT comments on rare occasions, so I'm not sure but maybe you assumed I hate the game because there are a lot of hate on those platforms? Rest assured, I don't hate GW2 xD I play almost every day because I enjoy WvW and Open World. My intention wasn't to give criticism, which I do have many of, because I just don't think they're relevant to this video. I was responding to the topic and I think pointing out that I don't own SotO and JW gives perspective. I pointed out that EoD's story made me check out and now I no longer trust the writing for the game (of course it's subjective), because if I take the story/plot out of the equation for the new xpacs, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be excited about. Homestead? Maybe? Raids? If I was in the mood for raids, I think FFXIV. At the moment, the only thing enticing me is more optimal builds, but that's not a huge problem either. That's why it clicked when Silhouette Gaming described it as a battle pass. I've played, and still play, games that have a paid version and a free version of the battle pass, and that's what GW2 feels like right now. I can play xpac-less without feeling like I'm missing out on anything, and I'll pay for the xpacs if there's something that interests me. I'm not going to leave a GW2 criticism essay in YT comments. It'd be a million page trilogy Dx
@nicojii_ I wasn't saying you were hating just in general. I started my comment with especially "great, if you don't want or need the new stuff you shouldn't get it"
@@Tillionz Yeah, it's unfortunate that I think that's solid advice. I still remember opening the booklet that came with GW1, reading about an ancient dragon hiding in a single grain of sand in a vast desert, and falling in love with the world and the game. Now, I have to wait and see what they have to offer, which is a stance I take on other products, but it is what it is Dx
I treated all “expansions” after EoD like I treated Seasons （2，3，4 especially）...GW3 and other projects takes team assets, which means fewer hands on GW2. Hence less rich Seasons /not Expansions/
I don't think i have played a game with a battlepass before, but isn't a battlepass something you can opt out of and still play the newest content the game has to offer?
I don’t agree that the current model is like a battle pass, but I do agree that GW2 is closer to being in “maintenance mode”, since the layoffs, and that is unlikely to change. I still love this game and I want it to survive and grow, but I know that is just wishful thinking. The current management doesn’t have the resources or vision to make big changes to GW2, and it’s more likely that the game will slowly die, unless they get a new owner of the IP who has the capital to make a huge investment in the next step of GW2’s evolution. I don’t know if that would be a move to a more modern game engine, or a completely new game (GW3).
Yeah I came here to say the same thing. I don't think he knows what a battle pass is. A battle pass of FOMO content with rewards that go away each season. The wizard's vault could be considered a battle pass but the expansions not so much. It's more akin to the guild wars 1 self contained games which were pretty much mmo patches.
I really don't think gw2 is in maintenance mode. Have you played GW1, or the plethora of other MMO/online games that are actually in maintenance mode. The game is in a state of not introducing enough content/new things due to "manpower". The game has some really amazing systems in it and I feel like they just need to completely overhaul some baseline systems that have become crutches for the game, like alacrity and quickness... But it will probably just be these kind of "expansions" for the next several years until anet's next big game.
@Tillionz, I actually said that the game is closer to being in maintenance mode than it is to being a battle pass. But you can still disagree with what I said. GW2 is a significant step above other games that are in maintenance mode but it’s also a huge leap below what a triple A game should be in the quantity of content that they release each year.
@, Yeah, I’ve read the doom stories about GW2 for most of the years that I’ve been playing it, but now, the slow death seems to be happening. You must admit that GW2 isn’t what it used to be and to some of us who have been playing since launch, it can seem like a slow death.
I feel like we are nearing the end of gw2`s lifecycle with these (expansions). It often feels like they dont know where to go with the Story and the Content is insanely lackluster.
Yeah definitely feels like the new model is a way to ride out the games twilight years and keep the studio funded while they work on gw3. The timing lines up too.
They should also introduce times where some "expansion" become free to keep for a fixed while (especially the new ones), or buyable with lower ammount of gems, like the living world ones, sure after a while, because these mini expa will become quite a lot after a while.
I quit when they made a halfassed "mini expansion" for End of Dragons and then completely abandoned the expansion without any post game from the main drop and was like "HERE'S A NEW EXPANSION!" and I finished it in literally 2 hours. It didn't feel like an expansion. It felt like a tiny living world story drop and it was not at all worth my 50 bucks. I was disgusted. Meanwhile, they'll continue to throw fomo at me every time I log in and their stupid BLM STILL is unoptimized garbage.
Spot on. Weirdly perhaps, your video makes me feel a little vindicated for all the flack I got on the forums for agreeing with this new model being just a battle pass when they announced SotO... but we live in the age of meta-marketing - everything is narrative and discourse really - substance and "content" are relativized to a corner so remote and so dark, nobody remembers to think about it anymore, or almost nobody. Also - and incidentally - your voice fits the topic of the video very well. It gave it an intangibly valuable tone of decadence and disillusion.
This update is very light and I'm surprised not a lot of people are talking about it. I get that there are things like story, leggy spear, relics, some achievements etc but actual things to engage in for replayability? Realistically it's just a raid and convergence for 3 months.To me it's as light of an update as the inner nayos hector update, even if the quality is slightly better. I want more gw2 but it doesn't seem like the game is going to get much content. You are right it's just a battlepass. If the update doesn't have things you want to do, it's basically skippable, which was a problem with Soto as well. A lot of it was centered around the obsidian armor, the convergence, the rift hunts. If you don't care for the armor, there aren't a lot of incentives to do the activities deisgned to reward components for them. For JW and SotO to be open world focused, they sure don't feel like it. The upcoming stuff is just raid and convergence, but harder. What hurts this update the most is not having a new map. I'm convinced there simply isn't enough content to split between the launch and 3 updates. It'd probably be better if they split the expac into 3 parts in total instead of 4. So 4 months in between updates but it will feel like we've got more to do? Idk tbh. At this point they have to be working on something else because with the quantity and quality being so low, it feels like they really are working with a skeleton crew.
Theyre ok, but id lie if i didnt see them as half of a proper expansion. So the 5$ drop in prive us actually 15$ hike. And yea the quality noticeably dropped since path of fire. Path of fire and the subsequent living worlds were peak gw2.
Here is my theory. They are working on gw3 as we speak, and they have a small team working on gw2, while the large team is working on gw3. You can see it in the jobposts, they do hire for a unannounched project and the name guildwars 3 got leaked during a shareholder meeting. I think these smaller scale expansions is just filler untill gw3.
As one players opinion, SotO was dreadful and JW was deeply disappointing. It'll be a while before they get any more money from me unless they buck their ideas up.
Even with your disappointment, GW2 is still the best value for the amount and quality of content it contains, compared to the price tag for buying all of that content.
@ For Core, PoF and HoT I unreservedly agree. EoD was also okay (tho I have never been back to the Delve after doing the story). IBS gets a pass for only the first half being good - there were external reasons why the second half was Strikes daisy chained together pretending to be the story. But since the decision to change how they are releasing content the ‘entertainment’ quality and value has dropped off a cliff. I am not saying that my opinion is universal truth and all must bow in agreement but I stand by what I said. Either quality and quantity goes up or my money stays in my pocket.
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SOME COMMON SENSE! As soon as SoTO released the WV my friends and i have been saying it's a glorified battlepass and copium junkies had been at our throats lol. Worst part is, we don't complain because we want the game to fail, we do it because we want the thing to improve. Worst thing that can happen to a game is indifference from us.
I don’t speak with as much weight as die-hard fans, I hopped on late and played everything in the elder dragon saga after the fact (but before SoTo). I think it is unreasonable to expect the peaks of prime development this late into the game’s cycle. Also, battle pass is a bit harsh. I only say this because other games have such a dearth of REAL content in their battle pass that it seems unfair. I don’t think it’s a bad value for what you get considering a dollar doesn’t go as far as it used to and how predatory other systems are. The game will be better as soon as you can pay a larger dev team to do it which just isn’t realistic.
@@Skyace13 Well said! The expectations of some players are unrealistic and uninformed. Unless GW2 gains more players, it’s highly unlikely that they will be adding more developers to increase the amount and quality of content that will be added to the game. GW2 is still a great game, when you look at it as a whole with all of the expansions and Living World chapters (Icebrood Saga too), but most players have a “what have you done lately” mindset, and they just aren’t realistic about Anet’s resources and capabilities at this point in time.
Well, in two years we got 5 (if you count Mount Balrior 6 maps), many masteries that help the progression or expand travelling options and a lot of content. There is a lot of new music, well animated cinematics, long-term goals to go for, and they try do to something interesting to the game to keep it fresh. If you combine SOTO and Janthir Wilds (the time they spent to work on them), it's pretty close to what time they needed to release one big expansion (PoF and EoD). The impatient people will not enjoy this model, because the full "mini"expansion feels really good once everything is added with the last patch. For example SOTO feels so much better and interesting now, because it's much easier to farm materials for long term goals. The biggest let down I have with both SOTO and JW is the continuation of the story, which is lacking especially after the initial launch. Just like in SOTO there are basically no cinematics in the following patches, the story feels shallow and a lot of things don't make sense. I wish they would return to this more HoT-launch trailer type of cinematics that give more background to the characters, that would be used as a tool for flashbacks, like that cinematic with Rytlock and Balthazar or Glint's Legacy explanation back in PoF. There are no CGI trailers anymore too - last time we had one was for EoD. I have always enjoyed the cinematics of GW2, and there are many memorable ones like Omadd's Machine cinematic or Pale Tree's Vision one... I am just very disappointed in that ANET doesn't invest in cinematic team, and instead is putting the resources for dialogues and voice-acting. I have always enjoyed the story of GW2 more when I could just look at that 2-3 minute long cinematic without any dialogue, just pure artistry, and it is heavily lacking in both SOTO and JW - that's the only thing I truly hate how the story-telling approach changed completely after End of Dragons.
Interesting, but i dont know wot battle pass is as super Casual ONLY Guild Wars 2 player. From experience that is third or quorter of expansion. Am i right? I started 2018.g. my GW2 jurney, as first MMORPG that i try and i love it so far. Afcorse some thinks i would like to be diferent, but i love it(alac/-/superspeed). Tx,- I love your content🐣💪🐣
expect nothing and you will not be disappointed. while I long for the full expacks of the past, I accept the smaller scale and have fun for awhile before waiting for the dripfeed to build up
I think it's good. Definitely better than Soto, but I don't think it holds a candle to hot pof or eod overall. Still fun, I'm enjoying it, but I don't think it really qualifies as an expansion compared to the old model
If this wasn't a necessary evil for them to keep developing the game, otherwise I'd be a lot more critical, as compared to Monster Hunter for example, mastery levels are dwarfed in comparison in Master Rank in World onwards.
Janthir includes new zones, sure, but almost everything in there was copy&pasted from previous expansions. They copied all the open world quests and activities from previous expansions and replaced the quest-giver with a bear. If at least the writing wasn't so bland, save and boring.
Main thing that "Battle Pass" provides is getting exclusive things, skins, emotes etc. in given period of time. When facing that and comparing it to GW2 system, where you can get EVERY skin, emote or novelty by just playing game and if you might be late to get those - moving them to special tab that allows you to get them by slightly more of non paid in-game currency, that aren't making you better than others in any way - I don't understand why are you so stubborn to call expansions as "battle pass". What's more, said "battle pass" would be giving us only skins, emotes, novelties and not new content, new game mechanics, new weapons and other things to enjoy
Soto's post launch updates were horrible imo, but so far JW has been good enough. I think the story, the art, and general design of the 2 new maps plus the raid/convergence has been a breath of fresh air compared to last year. I 100% agree, Soto and JW are more of a battle passes with an "expansion" title covering it. Is that bad, maybe compared to the HOT and POF era of expansion plus LW seasons. The content is just not there I can easily play a few hours a week and get everything from the WV and have enough to slam 1300 AA at the start of the next update. It frees me up to play other games or more importantly focus on my RL. The only thing I want more of, outside of content cause we know we won't be getting more than we are already getting, is build variety. I want them to say F it to balance in PvE and give us cool stuff. I want to spend time looking at skills and abilities and come up with new builds, and not be so focused on what's the most optimal.
I don't like the new expansion model. I'd rather wait a year for an ACTUAL expansion than this shit. As much as I found the conclusion of the dragon saga disappointing, I still prefer End of Dragons to the borefest of Secrets of the Obscure. I mean, ffs, they had the concept of fractals from other timelines to explore and they SIDELINED it immediately after the first map??? why. It was such a good concept, they could have brought back joko or some other villain that died that way! It would have been cool to see villains from fractal timelines where they succeeded.
There's some sensationalism in your video. The new expansions are designed around the battle pass model, likely to encourage player retention, but they are not strictly battle passes. Maybe you're trying to make a clear point but it kind of muddles the overall message. A person can technically play through the new releases and never engage with the wizards vault. It just wouldn't be efficient or as profitable for their account. I agree that comparing classic expansions with current ones is discouraging and disappointing.
Janthir Wilds is the laziest "expansion" I have ever seen in a game. They gave us a weapon we already had, 3 bosses that look exactly the same, whilst using the same map for story, raid and convergence. We got 1 good open world map and a second map that has the same 3 events copy pasted 30 times, with 2 bosses that look exactly the same. Oh and they finally gave us housing... A run down shack that you have to clean and fix up yourself.
Soto is pay to win, Jhantir is honestly optional, like you will still do everything without any problem, ofc you cannot have homesteads or spears, even that it still worth to get since its not B O R I N G, Soto annoys me because weapon mastery and relics are locked behind that expansion, the legendary armor is not even worth to get because its far easier to just do raids
@Fractal379 well, HoT and PoF gives you a lot of content, you can do raids, you can get a lot of masteries, you can get a lot of gold, you also get 2 elite specs, etc
Yea you are right its battle pass and i think its battle pass with more benefits than any other, imo gw2 is not very challenging and its not trying to be that, you have so many different modes, like for ex if i compare this to d2 battle passes and man where do i start if i remember last time i had to play that game as a job to hit power level so that i can damage mobs in mission like really damage if you below power level it says "immune" which was later changed but do i want a game to play for fun or play as job. Ultimately gw2 is causal and its good in that perspective and dont get me wrong there is content for hard stuff just that now most of the people are getting used to it and it have started lackluster now once you get all the stuff and whatnot in the game, i left genshin for this as i was gated by content, but it was me burning all that in a week and then what's next 30 mins of daily gameplay which made me think if i play game like this than maybe in the near future i might not able to play game that need more time to do stuff, and there is FOMO..... well every game has that content and i am glad that gw2 content don't have that at least for now (excluding BL gemstore which i dont find annoying i am not the target for it). So currently i think the speed matter whatever they will chose i think it will be always be slow as it needs time to make content and if its lackluster it will hit game hard and them, at least with current dlcs....battlepasses they have a insight to make changes to stuff to be adjust for future references. We just ought to burn content with lighting speed and move on that what we have started to do, i even see less meta on new maps compared to old ones and they have to adjust the soto currency with portable exchange otherwise meta of soto and janthir might be dead after few months if its not profitable..... well we still have everything else in the game, we the players are now so optimized that we made data sheets to find better ways to deal the meta is very streamlined path to hit most and get most of it.... while the new player without any data or understand will have to spent ages to understand the same stuff and reach us if there is no one to help them.
Guild Wars 2 to me is like OG World of Warcraft... the first 2 expansions were good/great, but after that it has fallen off hard. Excluding the Story the game itself has become better, but too little too late in my opninion. The fundamental issue of GW2 is, that it never got a cleanup/overhaul patch, to get rid of legacy stuff no one engages with anymore, but stil is presented as important to new players for some reason.... but the engine is so bad it wont allow it without destroying other things. To me GW2 feels like the house of a horter. Anet should have stopped at the end of season 4 and went on to making GW3...
I'll be honest, I don't hate the mini expansions as much as most people do. But that is largely do to how much EoD damaged my enjoyment of the franchise, simply put we are zooming forward in the historic period at an absurd pace. Note that doesn't mean literally, it's the feel of the period. EoD we begin with the jade tech, power plants, words like bigot (applicable, just not period appropriate.) SoTo was a wet far, some nice system reworks but that's about it. Then in JW we are literally doing model UN and the people are using words like "fuller" to mean more full. I at least appreciate the aesthetic of JW returning to form, and even Soto at least being fantasy rather than futuristic. To put that more coherently: the dialogue and aesthetics do not feel appropriate, to what was portrayed previously. I enjoy playing the game, but I can't say the game engages me anymore. And there isn't a chance in hell I'll play GW3 if its even a year further in the timeline, which it will have to be.
My main MMO is world of warcraft best endgame in any mmo imo. I no life the content for 1 - 2 months get everything then log in 3 nights a week to raid prog. Having GW2 as the second mmo is perfect get bored of wow waiting for new content go back to gw2 and continue the legendary grind. It's the perfect mmo loop.
While not having any experience in battle passes and other buyable online games i understand this point of view, although while being a casual and a fan of collections this format is easily keeping me in
Not the conclusion I was expecting but everything clicked right after you said it. Great analysis. But hey, it worked for me since I came back and I stopped playing right before Heart of Thorns' launch.
Late to the video, and everyone has already said what's worth saying. I agree SotO and JW are Battle Passes and I don't hate them. At-least we get regular content on a fixed schedule. Edit: Get well soon mate :)
I find it interesting that GW2 is mostly criticized by US streamers... the EU streamers seem to be happy with it. I would be interested to know why that is.
Ive said for years I would opt into a sub fee if it meant Anet got a more predictable income and could do better content with less cash shop dependency. Im fine with a Battle Pass if it accomplishes the same goal. They also arent greeding (yet) and asking for $60/year or more. My biggest concern is that the game and studio are on life support mode from a business standpoint. If the studio isn't allowed to spend money to build the team back up then we're always going to be at this level of content OR less. (insert rant about "trimming the fat" and "shareholder value" 🤮)
The more I watch you, the more it seems to me that you are a glass-half-empty kind of guy: it's like you can't help but to look for negative things to say, and gradually have been putting out perspectives that get closer and closer to the line between constructive criticism and stubborn pessimism. The videos have been getting filled with more and more negativity and people are growing exhausted and infected with its energy. Lastly, it brings a weird dissonance when you say all these negative things on your video, and then comment on people that 'you still like it' and 'it's still good'. Infesting negativity is one thing, but if you're going to be one way, I'd wish you'd make it clear by sticking to your word. Regards.
Everything will be clear soon enough. And I'm actually fairly optimistic about most things, but I do see the writing on the wall for GW2. I'll explain things better on the next one.
Buuuuut, best battle pass among other MMOs I would say. No stress, no pressure, just chill gaming. Quite sure they listen to feedback, at least some, on the forums if something is amiss in quality.
Calling it a battlepass is wrong. It's certainly okay not to enjoy the content, but cherry picking some things about Wizard's Vault as your reason for calling it a battlepass is pretty weak. Saying you arent interested in the upcoming content and are going to play casually is fair, but our personal enjoyment of a content doesnt change what is on offer.
IT is absolutely fair. What? These "expansions" have less content then bloody battle passes in other games, are a YEAR long instead of months like every other game with a battle pass. They are literally drip feeding content slower then bloody WoW does, thats insane. Every model they have is essentially a battle pass in everything but name at this point, to try and milk money from players - specifically whales. There is next to no content, updates are snails pace..... I do not know how you do not see this as a battle pass, truly.
In your opinion, does the content cadence, volume, price point, and reward structure of these mini-expansion have any similarity to how a battlepass manifests itself in other MMORPGs?
You stating that the new xpacs are simply no xpacs at all to me is just a slap in the face of any Anet developer that puts hours and hours into developing Gw2. I am not saying you should not critize the xpacs, you should (!), but you are nullifying the honest work Anet devs put into these xpacs by making such insane statements... . SotO and JW are what the current dev team calls expansions and you should at least accept that.
How bout no. SOTO was the devs ripping our 6th piece rune bonus away from us and selling it back to us via relics. Not only that, but a legendary relic is the first legendary that is not future proof. Nope, gotta buy later expansions to get the new relic bonuses. And don’t get me started on the quality *and* quantity of SOTO’s campaign, or which classes got the short end of the weapon master stick. I don’t care what they call it. It’s overpriced, pay-to-win garbage.
@Royal.Grand.Majesty i don't have an opinion on ff14 because I don't pay subscription fees for games. JRPGs can be fun though I've played a little bit of Granblue Fantasy and it was pretty good.
Okay, at the start of the vid I was like "yeah I mean they are indeed not really expansions, they are sorta closer to what IBS was supposed to be, but instead of being free, it's paid, but with a fix update schedule, which honestly feels like some battle pass or such." and then 7 and a half minutes in you say the same thing 😂
Another genuine criticism I have against them are the "road maps" they show for each expansion, like what you show around 7:00 like, I love the franchise, but those "road maps" they write in there is like how I bloated my exams papers with filler words to make it look long and big for my teacher. "Major rewards" and lists whatever possible, while they are completely normal things coming with a game, it's literally should so basic I shouldn't even expect it being mentioned. "Mastery updates" we all know they always add at least one meaningless mastery with updates and it brings nothing, takes me 15 minutes to get it and am done with it, it's not content, never was, it's just a weird passive goal everyone fulfills automatically eventually. The only things even worth mentioning on these are at best "new map(s)" and "raid/strikes/fractals" but even those are just a single thing.
To me Anet suffers because they aren't as big as other studios like SE making FF14 or Blizz making WoW. They simply don't have the manpower to do so, and they also don't crunch which is respectable, cuz the industry suffers from that already at many places, but everyone can feel it's rather empty and minimal what they end up making. They work and try to work with passion and I will personally never abandon the franchise as I grew up on it and if I may say, legit saved my life as a kid. The older expacs were great at release, but were neither the best since we had so much drought afterward as well. The unfortunate issue is that we expect what we would expect from similar games in terms of content amount, like what I would expect from WoW or ff14 or such games, while they lack the numbers to make the same and this way people (it's often very noticeable as there is always comparison) bring up these games and then say how little Anet makes. We expect more as we should and would, and that is normal, and that they cannot deliver due to lacking numbers that is normal as well. Things just simply won't align, and I always just hope that the new release cadence will bring them more funding to hire more people to expand the teams working on the expacs, it's a devilish cycle they have to break to be able to deliver more.
But just as you mention as well, the game is for casual players by now, and is mainly catering for total casuals, which is fine. You can notice it time to time how much they try to make you understand that the game is supposed to be played casually and give it time, not rush. Just look at Klobjarne, people complained immediately at how time gated it is with all the components, albeit all it takes is just to play the game and let it happen naturally. But most players are impatient, "we" want things as soon as available, it's the new shiny and you want it. Everything in the game is basically "OPTIONAL CONTENT" there is no real mandatory content and that works for it as you are supposed to form your own goals.
My personal problem always was that the game "always gives you options to do something or set a goal" BUT "doesn't give you the reasons to do it so you have to make your own reasoning." However I love that the game respects your time, people should understand that you CAN -freely- play any other game beside it and won't make you feel stressed out, unlike something like FF14 or WoW etc with subs or heavy content drops that makes previous content obsolete and forgotten, you can ONLY experience those once truly, if you miss those early on, you will never experience it anymore the way it was intended, unlike in GW2 for 99% of its content.
(love your content!!!!!!!) wow you said it so well , one thing i think that is better for new players(soto, janfir) after they are done with the new stuff they have the past of the game to do on the off time , gw2 is the only game i know that the expansion there sealing me are actual expansion , the old game is still as relevant , in any other mmo's the new expansion make the older expansions irrelevant
gw2 is building with lego and crafting the each part to fit , it dosnt just build a new foundation over the old like wow dose ,
it would be fastening to see what new player thing about it
absolutely this, close the thread mods, it's done
Love this Nox. ^ Us vets have definitely watched the game go through a lot of changes. To me: I think that's why GW2 is great at this point though. Through sheer force of evolution' it's not trying to be 14 or WoW, and has become the ultimate "drop in/drop out mmo" because there's nothing else that still exists as as player friendly like it. Disappointing for some, but great for others. We all have things we'd want. I personally would love more frequent,meaningful balance patches. But that's not the Timeline we're on. And ultimately I don't think that would be as good for the longevity of the game as, say, if that dev $ went to adding newer hats to the Gem Store as tragic as that is. Gotta find a balance as it were, which I think(hope) they're doing better now.
Especially for the recent update, the mastery and new homestead stuff are literally the same thing - the new mastery is another level of the homestead mastery that unlocks the new decorations.
7:30 | As you know, I work in marketing IRL so when ANet first announced SotO, I was able to cheat a little bit and peer behind the curtain b/c I knew the games industry was moving away from RNG/Loot Boxes to make $ to Battle Passes and I called SotO for what I was: "A Battle Pass but an Actually *Good* one that the rest of the industry should follow. Still, the amount of backlash I got for this was staggering.
I'm glad people are getting more on-board with this idea now tho. The Game's Industry is tumultuous and unpredictable. Job security basically doesn't exist. And I still maintain that if $25 Battle Passes mean we get hard dates for content drops and balance releases instead of vague "Oh maybe sometime in the future probably" I'm all for it. Great video, also you sound exactly the same man. Feel better soon! 😄
I miss when you can just buy an expansion and it's full and complete. Or just buy a game that isn't paywalled after you already purchased it.
@@HezrouDhiaga A game where you don't miss out on items if you happen to not play for 90+ days
@@snowblood74 I mean to be fair, you don't in GW2. Despite being a Battle Pass' model, the Wizard's Vault is probably the best in the industry, where it a) Astonished doesn't have a premium ($) tier & b) Everything remains available at all times going forward. I would have preferred full-er more widely spaced expansions as well, but "a)" Still blows my mind.
@@HezrouDhiaga You can just wait 9 months and buy the complete expac.
@@snowblood74 What do you miss out on? Soto has no time exclusive content like season 1 had and all special items in the Wizard Vault except the current legendary starter kit remain forever in the legacy tab. But from the looks of it, each weapon comes back after some time.
The sad thing for people in poor countries (like me) is that ANet doesnt really localize their prices. So a 25 dollar "expansion" is literally 130 bucks for me, and ive heard its even WORSE in other countries. Even If it goes on a sale for 20% its still 94 bucks for me and thats more than some AAA games i can buy on steam. I'm a relatively new player (just hit 200 hours) and dont know much about the wizard's vault, so the next part is just some of my baseless worries.
Since i cant afford to drop 100+ bucks every time a new expansion release, the other tab of the wizards vault with cosmetics wont ever be a thing for me, same for the legendary weapon sets. IF these things eventually come back to the other tab then i dont mind waiting a few months...
... BUT what if they arent coming back? What if i get Janthir Wilds later on and the rewards are already gone, can i never get them? Cause if i cant then this feels pretty shitty, specially when one of the major things people told me about this game was that i can play casually and that the game doesnt rush me, so facing this FOMO thing all of a sudden feels very shit.
Yes, ultimately some of these things are just cosmetics, but it doesnt make the feeling any less shitty to not get a cool skin because i didnt pay MORE for a mini expansion than i paid for Monster Hunter World at full price. I'd also really love to craft Legendaries after i get my account set on other PVE content and i heard these sets help TREMENDOUSLY, so its a big turn off to be left out of that as well.
I'm still in love with this game deeply and plan on buys SOTO next cause i really liked some of the new weapons for professions (Sword necromancer looks amazing and i main Reaper) + getting the Skycale is kinda fun and easier in that as well, these are just some minor things that still weight on my mind from time to time.
100% true. The Wizard’s Vault says it all. These “expansions” follow a battle pass model. I’m okay with no more ESpecs as the team is already too strapped balancing and making the ESpecs in the game more playable. The copium in these comments is delicious and hilarious. People never want to understand that criticism is meant to drive the devs toward improvements. Great video.
They went for a worse model for a reason. You're the one who's on copium thinking any amount of valid criticism can change things to the way they were.😂 Anet is working on another game, whine all you want it won't change for the better for GW2. Uninstall and move on to another IP.
One key difference is you can earn past rewards that you may have otherwise missed. Most games don't let you earn rewards from previous battlepasses and that's pretty sweet in my opinion.
Agree.
I've always seen it more of their way of doing a subscription.
Though I think it's hard for people who have played GW2 through the years. I just hit my 10 year mark and as a player of the game for that long, I've always felt that A-Net never quite found their footing with GW2. Things were always changing and uncertain, different management that had different visions of what GW2 should be has made the game quite messy. So I think there is a degree of contempt with long time players. Like honestly to be a player during the PoF era, this really feels underwhelming, it's difficult to come back from that. Plus the company has felt like it's been on catch up since EoD. The story's really dipped for me, the quality has also, I don't know everything just feels rushed. You go back to some of the old maps they're so fun to explore I still find things to this day, but these new maps just feel so sparse and empty.
I'll always come back to the game because I've invested so much, but I don't know, the games kinda fell off for me
This is a very accurate take.
Thank you so much. This inside is such a liberation/ relief to me. Now it all makes sense again. And I too went unconsciously to a more casual play style in the past year. Happy Christmas and again thank you so much ❤
I totally agree with that point. Making a new 9 professions when about a 1/3 are almost a relic of the past with no purpose for near future or reworking some unpopular features would not bring a mass of new players to develope the game. But a battlepass a goodish way to keep players around casualy do daily/weekly and put a little efford into new and older grinds. I mean the game got some huge sinks of gold on leggys and skins and also a good variety of farms like gold+currencies, gold+titles and gold+achives. Also reintrodusing older materials for new sinks fills like a nice way to make some older farms great again.
Making new professions would not bring new players to the game, but not fixing the 1/3 that are not functional in the current game state is a sure way to lose players, battlepass or not. People still have to enjoy the game at least somewhat, and doing older metas with one button builds because o power creep is not most player's idea of it
@@sasha9796 well i cant imagine any reliable way to keep a 10+ years game fresh. Though i agree balansing 2 button dps and a complicated rotations to about same dps make noone play harder classes. So realisticly 1/3 proffs got no purpuse, and other 1/3 lose competition to easier proffs. Bad game disign, but i think you need a materpiece balance to fix it and demanding masterpiece is not fair...
Kinda feel influence on myself. Before soto I had no legies. Now with the vault system I have 5
@@incosto6036 it is not fair to demand balance in an action video game? The kind that focuses on combat? Where 95 percent of gameplay is combat? Be serious. If that is true, and Anet really can't fix it, there really is no point in playing the game, because it means they failed at the most basic gameplay loop. More importantly though, it is not true. As far as pve especially endgame pve is concerned, the balance state of the game right now is the worst it has ever been in the game's existence and it has remained so for two and a half years now. Back when we had 9 elite specializations to choose from instead of 27, not one of them took up 30 percent of all raiding spaces.
@@sasha9796 Yea i agree with that. Game is in a sad state. Devs made major part of profs some haddicap-style profs for funplay only. Playerbase goes down and most of active players only collecting leggyes, skins and achives. I cant see any revive potential from new expansion model, merely an attempt to keep some players around to finish some goals with the game.
You wanna know how casual GW2 used to be? I didn't play any story past HoT. I would just login to obtain ownership of latest living world and login rewards, maybe do dailies or a meta, then logoff to play my other games. Now the yearly expansion payment model with wizard vault battle pass that has a timer ticking down to both purchase and play all the content to unlock the currency needed for the rewards, else you'll be forever behind with inflated costs and missed gold that used to be login rewards. This is actually a big difference that forces players to spend and play the game more often. Players will have to decide to commit to GW2 or not, forcing the hard choice to engage or quit.
tbh it didn't change my experience with the game one bit, (besides a minor issue), I've been playing since around path of fire launch, and I usually play about twice a year for a couple of months, with that schedule I managed to build up a couple of characters, be up to date with the story, make some leggies and in general enjoy pretty much anything the game has to offer, and I don't feel I missed out on anything when SotO launched. I still haven't bought SotO nor JW and I don't plan on buying them anytime soon since I'm poor and can't spend money on games. The only thing that actually changed for my experience is the using weapons with every character thing, which changed a lot of builds for raiding, so now my build with almost every character is suboptimal just because I can't throw money at the game, which is arguably a more insidious problem than having to commit to playing more often, you know?
100% agree
So is Janthir a must play to even try catching up right now?
@@evres0224it’s more to do with the wizard vault. There is a lot of gold you can get by hardly playing the game with every refresh of the vault. The skin’s will always be there but at a higher price once new rewards come in. You will just be missing out on of easy gold if you don’t grab it before the new season.
Exactly. I'm also a casual player since I simply don't have time to play that often. I've been playing it almost exclusively for a couple of years (since HoT), but the Wizard's Vault with it's time limits triggered my fomo and made it into a chore rather than casual fun...so I quit bc it just wasn't fun anymore even though I really love this game
I had to buy soto so my unkillable time wizard could figure out how to shoulder a rifle lol
I'd say it's more a DLC Season Pass kinda thing than a Battle Pass, you pay for a bunch of content with a part of it releasing over time. The Wizard's Vault is the battle pass (I believe even the devs said as much when it was introduced), but a Battle Pass usually doesn't come with content.
if you compare it to PoF and HoT sure, not the same, but I would still call them Expansions, they literally add new content and features to the game, they "expand" the game. My issue is with the patches they feel disconnected from the initial release, which is not a good thing. If I play the expansion a year later after all the patches are out, then my experience should be the same as HoT and PoF, one big coherent experience.
Now if we are talking about the amount of new stuff (number of maps, how long is the story, instanced content etc) I don't think it needs much explanation, the team working on gw2 now is not the same back then, same as the resources. Logically they cannot make the same amount of content.
I think it's a major oversight to advertise the JW Convergence with, "Everytime the story is told, it's slightly different than before", then release it with only one boss and literally no differences to how it's played out at all. It's BARELY false advertising since they're not "done" with it.
I like everything else though, maps are still cool, and the raid is pretty fun.
I know no one asked, but my favorite thing about janthir wilds is going to back and working on old legendaries
One of my favorites too lol
I disagree with this assessement. I can understand why the wizards vault looks like a battlepass because sure technically it is of sorts. With quality of life improvements such as get the best reward first if thats what you want but true it is fundamentally a battle pass system. However the Wizards vault is not all the expansions provide. No Battlepass includes a housing system. None Includes new zones, new skills, new quests etc...
Are the new expansions the same scope of old expansions. No, of course not but thats why Anet refers to them as mini expansions. And its not just a question of naming. the Big expanions took years to make. Not only did they take years to make but in case of heart of thorns there was a huge content draught after release as in all likehood HoT was all hands on deck and any subsequent content had to start from scratch.
Than you need to factor in layoffs which more then likely reduced the team size working on Gw2. Not to mention potentially some of the team might have been moved to work on the new project. Smaller team, which only has one half to one third the time to work on an expansion as previous expansions team had cannot realistically be expected to put out content with same scope and size. It more fair to compare 2 mini expansions with the old expansions.
Its fair to say scope has been reduced because it clearly has even comparing 2 mini expansions with 1 old expansion but I dont feel its fair to say all Anet is doing now is issueing yearly battle passes. Clearly they're still doing a lot more than that.
Oh sht! I haven't thought about it that way but I think I agree with you.
I was disappointed with EoD and unsure with the direction GW2 was going, so I refrained from buying SotO. I still don't own SotO and JW.
Especially since I kinda stopped caring about the story with EoD, not the story itself but it felt more and more centered on characters' emotions rather than the story of Tyria, SotO and JW really do seem like just battle passes to me. I've payed for battle passes in the past for games like Dead by Daylight and Apex Legends, and the way I'm playing GW2 right now feels like I'm just playing with the free version of the battle pass, meant to entice me to pay for exclusive items. Problem is, it's not that enticing Dx
Mindblown. I was looking for those two words: battle pass XD
If the story, new weapons, and new zones/content isn't enticing enough for you then it's all good. I think people need to learn to let go of things. I'd prefer people go and play other games or do other things. My biggest gripe with Reddit and the UA-cam comments in some videos is the vitriol and hate for the game, obviously this video is not that. I stopped going on the gw2 subreddit for a while because of all the "criticism" which really was just people saying tunnel bad, Soto bad, gw2 dead game, anet bad, etc. I wanna hear why, why do you think it's bad, what are you unhappy about and how can it be better, or just don't say anything at all. why waste others time expressing yourself with no actual critique.
@@Tillionz I don't know the situation with Reddit and I only check YT comments on rare occasions, so I'm not sure but maybe you assumed I hate the game because there are a lot of hate on those platforms? Rest assured, I don't hate GW2 xD I play almost every day because I enjoy WvW and Open World.
My intention wasn't to give criticism, which I do have many of, because I just don't think they're relevant to this video.
I was responding to the topic and I think pointing out that I don't own SotO and JW gives perspective. I pointed out that EoD's story made me check out and now I no longer trust the writing for the game (of course it's subjective), because if I take the story/plot out of the equation for the new xpacs, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be excited about. Homestead? Maybe? Raids? If I was in the mood for raids, I think FFXIV. At the moment, the only thing enticing me is more optimal builds, but that's not a huge problem either.
That's why it clicked when Silhouette Gaming described it as a battle pass. I've played, and still play, games that have a paid version and a free version of the battle pass, and that's what GW2 feels like right now. I can play xpac-less without feeling like I'm missing out on anything, and I'll pay for the xpacs if there's something that interests me.
I'm not going to leave a GW2 criticism essay in YT comments. It'd be a million page trilogy Dx
@nicojii_ I wasn't saying you were hating just in general. I started my comment with especially "great, if you don't want or need the new stuff you shouldn't get it"
@@Tillionz Yeah, it's unfortunate that I think that's solid advice. I still remember opening the booklet that came with GW1, reading about an ancient dragon hiding in a single grain of sand in a vast desert, and falling in love with the world and the game. Now, I have to wait and see what they have to offer, which is a stance I take on other products, but it is what it is Dx
@nicojii_ I will say as someone who didn't really like most of eod and Soto, I think JW is actually pretty good story wise.
I treated all “expansions” after EoD like I treated Seasons （2，3，4 especially）...GW3 and other projects takes team assets, which means fewer hands on GW2. Hence less rich Seasons /not Expansions/
I don't think i have played a game with a battlepass before, but isn't a battlepass something you can opt out of and still play the newest content the game has to offer?
I don’t agree that the current model is like a battle pass, but I do agree that GW2 is closer to being in “maintenance mode”, since the layoffs, and that is unlikely to change. I still love this game and I want it to survive and grow, but I know that is just wishful thinking. The current management doesn’t have the resources or vision to make big changes to GW2, and it’s more likely that the game will slowly die, unless they get a new owner of the IP who has the capital to make a huge investment in the next step of GW2’s evolution. I don’t know if that would be a move to a more modern game engine, or a completely new game (GW3).
Yeah I came here to say the same thing. I don't think he knows what a battle pass is. A battle pass of FOMO content with rewards that go away each season. The wizard's vault could be considered a battle pass but the expansions not so much. It's more akin to the guild wars 1 self contained games which were pretty much mmo patches.
"and it’s more likely that the game will slowly die" - famous words we hear since forever at this point :)
I really don't think gw2 is in maintenance mode. Have you played GW1, or the plethora of other MMO/online games that are actually in maintenance mode. The game is in a state of not introducing enough content/new things due to "manpower". The game has some really amazing systems in it and I feel like they just need to completely overhaul some baseline systems that have become crutches for the game, like alacrity and quickness... But it will probably just be these kind of "expansions" for the next several years until anet's next big game.
@Tillionz, I actually said that the game is closer to being in maintenance mode than it is to being a battle pass. But you can still disagree with what I said. GW2 is a significant step above other games that are in maintenance mode but it’s also a huge leap below what a triple A game should be in the quantity of content that they release each year.
@, Yeah, I’ve read the doom stories about GW2 for most of the years that I’ve been playing it, but now, the slow death seems to be happening. You must admit that GW2 isn’t what it used to be and to some of us who have been playing since launch, it can seem like a slow death.
I feel like we are nearing the end of gw2`s lifecycle with these (expansions). It often feels like they dont know where to go with the Story and the Content is insanely lackluster.
Yeah definitely feels like the new model is a way to ride out the games twilight years and keep the studio funded while they work on gw3. The timing lines up too.
I believe they have a plan, the question is what is it? Also the titans were strange and not nearly as cool as dragons so here we are…
It seems they are just wrapping up stories from guild wars 1 now.
They should also introduce times where some "expansion" become free to keep for a fixed while (especially the new ones), or buyable with lower ammount of gems, like the living world ones, sure after a while, because these mini expa will become quite a lot after a while.
I quit when they made a halfassed "mini expansion" for End of Dragons and then completely abandoned the expansion without any post game from the main drop and was like "HERE'S A NEW EXPANSION!" and I finished it in literally 2 hours. It didn't feel like an expansion. It felt like a tiny living world story drop and it was not at all worth my 50 bucks. I was disgusted. Meanwhile, they'll continue to throw fomo at me every time I log in and their stupid BLM STILL is unoptimized garbage.
Guild Wars 2 is been in a abysmal decline since path of fire in my opinion :)
I didn't know the headquarters is in WA only an hour from me... Kinda stupid how I get 170 ping
Ncsoft is like Blizzard, they don't like players having fun,
Spot on. Weirdly perhaps, your video makes me feel a little vindicated for all the flack I got on the forums for agreeing with this new model being just a battle pass when they announced SotO... but we live in the age of meta-marketing - everything is narrative and discourse really - substance and "content" are relativized to a corner so remote and so dark, nobody remembers to think about it anymore, or almost nobody.
Also - and incidentally - your voice fits the topic of the video very well. It gave it an intangibly valuable tone of decadence and disillusion.
@@Perisemiotics glad you enjoyed it.
PoF was the last expansion I really enjoyed. EoD I couldn't be arsed to explore, they butchered Cantha IMO.
This update is very light and I'm surprised not a lot of people are talking about it. I get that there are things like story, leggy spear, relics, some achievements etc but actual things to engage in for replayability? Realistically it's just a raid and convergence for 3 months.To me it's as light of an update as the inner nayos hector update, even if the quality is slightly better. I want more gw2 but it doesn't seem like the game is going to get much content. You are right it's just a battlepass. If the update doesn't have things you want to do, it's basically skippable, which was a problem with Soto as well. A lot of it was centered around the obsidian armor, the convergence, the rift hunts. If you don't care for the armor, there aren't a lot of incentives to do the activities deisgned to reward components for them. For JW and SotO to be open world focused, they sure don't feel like it. The upcoming stuff is just raid and convergence, but harder. What hurts this update the most is not having a new map. I'm convinced there simply isn't enough content to split between the launch and 3 updates. It'd probably be better if they split the expac into 3 parts in total instead of 4. So 4 months in between updates but it will feel like we've got more to do? Idk tbh. At this point they have to be working on something else because with the quantity and quality being so low, it feels like they really are working with a skeleton crew.
its a battlepass but it's a yearlong one. not a monthly like most other games.
If we are to use that analogy, it's at a fraction of the price.
Theyre ok, but id lie if i didnt see them as half of a proper expansion. So the 5$ drop in prive us actually 15$ hike. And yea the quality noticeably dropped since path of fire. Path of fire and the subsequent living worlds were peak gw2.
Here is my theory. They are working on gw3 as we speak, and they have a small team working on gw2, while the large team is working on gw3.
You can see it in the jobposts, they do hire for a unannounched project and the name guildwars 3 got leaked during a shareholder meeting.
I think these smaller scale expansions is just filler untill gw3.
I really enjoy gw2, but your point never miss
Bloodborne and Overwatch 2 had an interesting idea ... make the game Free to Play but sell the Stories just like GW2 Living Worlds...
As one players opinion, SotO was dreadful and JW was deeply disappointing. It'll be a while before they get any more money from me unless they buck their ideas up.
Even with your disappointment, GW2 is still the best value for the amount and quality of content it contains, compared to the price tag for buying all of that content.
@ For Core, PoF and HoT I unreservedly agree. EoD was also okay (tho I have never been back to the Delve after doing the story). IBS gets a pass for only the first half being good - there were external reasons why the second half was Strikes daisy chained together pretending to be the story. But since the decision to change how they are releasing content the ‘entertainment’ quality and value has dropped off a cliff.
I am not saying that my opinion is universal truth and all must bow in agreement but I stand by what I said. Either quality and quantity goes up or my money stays in my pocket.
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SOME COMMON SENSE! As soon as SoTO released the WV my friends and i have been saying it's a glorified battlepass and copium junkies had been at our throats lol. Worst part is, we don't complain because we want the game to fail, we do it because we want the thing to improve. Worst thing that can happen to a game is indifference from us.
ooooo baby we got more gw2 drama
I don’t speak with as much weight as die-hard fans, I hopped on late and played everything in the elder dragon saga after the fact (but before SoTo). I think it is unreasonable to expect the peaks of prime
development this late into the game’s cycle. Also, battle pass is a bit harsh. I only say this because other games have such a dearth of REAL content in their battle pass that it seems unfair. I don’t think it’s a bad value for what you get considering a dollar doesn’t go as far as it used to and how predatory other systems are. The game will be better as soon as you can pay a larger dev team to do it which just isn’t realistic.
@@Skyace13 Well said! The expectations of some players are unrealistic and uninformed. Unless GW2 gains more players, it’s highly unlikely that they will be adding more developers to increase the amount and quality of content that will be added to the game. GW2 is still a great game, when you look at it as a whole with all of the expansions and Living World chapters (Icebrood Saga too), but most players have a “what have you done lately” mindset, and they just aren’t realistic about Anet’s resources and capabilities at this point in time.
Well, in two years we got 5 (if you count Mount Balrior 6 maps), many masteries that help the progression or expand travelling options and a lot of content. There is a lot of new music, well animated cinematics, long-term goals to go for, and they try do to something interesting to the game to keep it fresh.
If you combine SOTO and Janthir Wilds (the time they spent to work on them), it's pretty close to what time they needed to release one big expansion (PoF and EoD).
The impatient people will not enjoy this model, because the full "mini"expansion feels really good once everything is added with the last patch. For example SOTO feels so much better and interesting now, because it's much easier to farm materials for long term goals.
The biggest let down I have with both SOTO and JW is the continuation of the story, which is lacking especially after the initial launch. Just like in SOTO there are basically no cinematics in the following patches, the story feels shallow and a lot of things don't make sense. I wish they would return to this more HoT-launch trailer type of cinematics that give more background to the characters, that would be used as a tool for flashbacks, like that cinematic with Rytlock and Balthazar or Glint's Legacy explanation back in PoF.
There are no CGI trailers anymore too - last time we had one was for EoD. I have always enjoyed the cinematics of GW2, and there are many memorable ones like Omadd's Machine cinematic or Pale Tree's Vision one... I am just very disappointed in that ANET doesn't invest in cinematic team, and instead is putting the resources for dialogues and voice-acting.
I have always enjoyed the story of GW2 more when I could just look at that 2-3 minute long cinematic without any dialogue, just pure artistry, and it is heavily lacking in both SOTO and JW - that's the only thing I truly hate how the story-telling approach changed completely after End of Dragons.
Interesting, but i dont know wot battle pass is as super Casual ONLY Guild Wars 2 player. From experience that is third or quorter of expansion. Am i right?
I started 2018.g. my GW2 jurney, as first MMORPG that i try and i love it so far. Afcorse some thinks i would like to be diferent, but i love it(alac/-/superspeed).
Tx,- I love your content🐣💪🐣
more reasons to just wait for guild wars 3 before warily giving them more cash
How they’ve treated this game since the end of LWS4 is why I’m not interested in a GW3.
GW2 has been going downhill for years.
expect nothing and you will not be disappointed. while I long for the full expacks of the past, I accept the smaller scale and have fun for awhile before waiting for the dripfeed to build up
what is that skyscale skin at @0:38? looks sick af 🤤🤤
Ouch! I love JW :(
I think it's good. Definitely better than Soto, but I don't think it holds a candle to hot pof or eod overall. Still fun, I'm enjoying it, but I don't think it really qualifies as an expansion compared to the old model
@SilhouetteGaming1 very fair. It fails to live up to the expectations they set!
If this wasn't a necessary evil for them to keep developing the game, otherwise I'd be a lot more critical, as compared to Monster Hunter for example, mastery levels are dwarfed in comparison in Master Rank in World onwards.
Janthir includes new zones, sure, but almost everything in there was copy&pasted from previous expansions.
They copied all the open world quests and activities from previous expansions and replaced the quest-giver with a bear. If at least the writing wasn't so bland, save and boring.
Main thing that "Battle Pass" provides is getting exclusive things, skins, emotes etc. in given period of time. When facing that and comparing it to GW2 system, where you can get EVERY skin, emote or novelty by just playing game and if you might be late to get those - moving them to special tab that allows you to get them by slightly more of non paid in-game currency, that aren't making you better than others in any way - I don't understand why are you so stubborn to call expansions as "battle pass". What's more, said "battle pass" would be giving us only skins, emotes, novelties and not new content, new game mechanics, new weapons and other things to enjoy
Im happy i quit after dragon saga
you kinda forgot to mention End of Dragons
Soto's post launch updates were horrible imo, but so far JW has been good enough. I think the story, the art, and general design of the 2 new maps plus the raid/convergence has been a breath of fresh air compared to last year.
I 100% agree, Soto and JW are more of a battle passes with an "expansion" title covering it. Is that bad, maybe compared to the HOT and POF era of expansion plus LW seasons. The content is just not there I can easily play a few hours a week and get everything from the WV and have enough to slam 1300 AA at the start of the next update. It frees me up to play other games or more importantly focus on my RL. The only thing I want more of, outside of content cause we know we won't be getting more than we are already getting, is build variety. I want them to say F it to balance in PvE and give us cool stuff. I want to spend time looking at skills and abilities and come up with new builds, and not be so focused on what's the most optimal.
I don't like the new expansion model. I'd rather wait a year for an ACTUAL expansion than this shit. As much as I found the conclusion of the dragon saga disappointing, I still prefer End of Dragons to the borefest of Secrets of the Obscure. I mean, ffs, they had the concept of fractals from other timelines to explore and they SIDELINED it immediately after the first map??? why. It was such a good concept, they could have brought back joko or some other villain that died that way! It would have been cool to see villains from fractal timelines where they succeeded.
There's some sensationalism in your video. The new expansions are designed around the battle pass model, likely to encourage player retention, but they are not strictly battle passes. Maybe you're trying to make a clear point but it kind of muddles the overall message. A person can technically play through the new releases and never engage with the wizards vault. It just wouldn't be efficient or as profitable for their account. I agree that comparing classic expansions with current ones is discouraging and disappointing.
Janthir Wilds is the laziest "expansion" I have ever seen in a game. They gave us a weapon we already had, 3 bosses that look exactly the same, whilst using the same map for story, raid and convergence.
We got 1 good open world map and a second map that has the same 3 events copy pasted 30 times, with 2 bosses that look exactly the same.
Oh and they finally gave us housing... A run down shack that you have to clean and fix up yourself.
Soto is pay to win, Jhantir is honestly optional, like you will still do everything without any problem, ofc you cannot have homesteads or spears, even that it still worth to get since its not B O R I N G, Soto annoys me because weapon mastery and relics are locked behind that expansion, the legendary armor is not even worth to get because its far easier to just do raids
Sorry but no Soto isn’t pay to win. Even older classes can compete if the player is competent enough. It’s a quality of life upgrade at most.
@@slayer4932 it is lol, you need several relics to be able to do top damage, even some weapons are required for it
@@rotip309 I heard a similar complaint regarding HOT & POF... 'withour specializations you can't x, y, z...'
@Fractal379 well, HoT and PoF gives you a lot of content, you can do raids, you can get a lot of masteries, you can get a lot of gold, you also get 2 elite specs, etc
Stop with the annoying background music. It makes the video unbearable.
@MarcLombart damn bro who hurt you.
Ngl the game is dead .
Yea you are right its battle pass and i think its battle pass with more benefits than any other, imo gw2 is not very challenging and its not trying to be that, you have so many different modes, like for ex if i compare this to d2 battle passes and man where do i start if i remember last time i had to play that game as a job to hit power level so that i can damage mobs in mission like really damage if you below power level it says "immune" which was later changed but do i want a game to play for fun or play as job. Ultimately gw2 is causal and its good in that perspective and dont get me wrong there is content for hard stuff just that now most of the people are getting used to it and it have started lackluster now once you get all the stuff and whatnot in the game, i left genshin for this as i was gated by content, but it was me burning all that in a week and then what's next 30 mins of daily gameplay which made me think if i play game like this than maybe in the near future i might not able to play game that need more time to do stuff, and there is FOMO..... well every game has that content and i am glad that gw2 content don't have that at least for now (excluding BL gemstore which i dont find annoying i am not the target for it). So currently i think the speed matter whatever they will chose i think it will be always be slow as it needs time to make content and if its lackluster it will hit game hard and them, at least with current dlcs....battlepasses they have a insight to make changes to stuff to be adjust for future references. We just ought to burn content with lighting speed and move on that what we have started to do, i even see less meta on new maps compared to old ones and they have to adjust the soto currency with portable exchange otherwise meta of soto and janthir might be dead after few months if its not profitable..... well we still have everything else in the game, we the players are now so optimized that we made data sheets to find better ways to deal the meta is very streamlined path to hit most and get most of it.... while the new player without any data or understand will have to spent ages to understand the same stuff and reach us if there is no one to help them.
Unfortunately it's still almost the same price as the Dragon Saga expansions. Though the extra specializations made up half the value for me tbh.
Guild Wars 2 to me is like OG World of Warcraft... the first 2 expansions were good/great, but after that it has fallen off hard. Excluding the Story the game itself has become better, but too little too late in my opninion. The fundamental issue of GW2 is, that it never got a cleanup/overhaul patch, to get rid of legacy stuff no one engages with anymore, but stil is presented as important to new players for some reason.... but the engine is so bad it wont allow it without destroying other things. To me GW2 feels like the house of a horter. Anet should have stopped at the end of season 4 and went on to making GW3...
I agree with everything
100% exactly
I'll be honest, I don't hate the mini expansions as much as most people do. But that is largely do to how much EoD damaged my enjoyment of the franchise, simply put we are zooming forward in the historic period at an absurd pace. Note that doesn't mean literally, it's the feel of the period.
EoD we begin with the jade tech, power plants, words like bigot (applicable, just not period appropriate.) SoTo was a wet far, some nice system reworks but that's about it. Then in JW we are literally doing model UN and the people are using words like "fuller" to mean more full. I at least appreciate the aesthetic of JW returning to form, and even Soto at least being fantasy rather than futuristic. To put that more coherently: the dialogue and aesthetics do not feel appropriate, to what was portrayed previously.
I enjoy playing the game, but I can't say the game engages me anymore. And there isn't a chance in hell I'll play GW3 if its even a year further in the timeline, which it will have to be.
This is a valid reason. I personally didn't like the virtues signaling of EOD and glad they moved away from it.
Disagree. New expansions are literally smaller expansions and this "battle pass" is just this wizard's vault.
My main MMO is world of warcraft best endgame in any mmo imo. I no life the content for 1 - 2 months get everything then log in 3 nights a week to raid prog. Having GW2 as the second mmo is perfect get bored of wow waiting for new content go back to gw2 and continue the legendary grind. It's the perfect mmo loop.
While not having any experience in battle passes and other buyable online games i understand this point of view, although while being a casual and a fan of collections this format is easily keeping me in
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ready for gw3
I doubt they could make that work with the resources of the studio
well said my guy.
Not the conclusion I was expecting but everything clicked right after you said it. Great analysis. But hey, it worked for me since I came back and I stopped playing right before Heart of Thorns' launch.
Late to the video, and everyone has already said what's worth saying. I agree SotO and JW are Battle Passes and I don't hate them. At-least we get regular content on a fixed schedule.
Edit: Get well soon mate :)
I find it interesting that GW2 is mostly criticized by US streamers... the EU streamers seem to be happy with it. I would be interested to know why that is.
@ch.k.3377 maybe a culture thing.
Ive said for years I would opt into a sub fee if it meant Anet got a more predictable income and could do better content with less cash shop dependency. Im fine with a Battle Pass if it accomplishes the same goal. They also arent greeding (yet) and asking for $60/year or more.
My biggest concern is that the game and studio are on life support mode from a business standpoint. If the studio isn't allowed to spend money to build the team back up then we're always going to be at this level of content OR less. (insert rant about "trimming the fat" and "shareholder value" 🤮)
Good Video
anet is just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks
The more I watch you, the more it seems to me that you are a glass-half-empty kind of guy: it's like you can't help but to look for negative things to say, and gradually have been putting out perspectives that get closer and closer to the line between constructive criticism and stubborn pessimism. The videos have been getting filled with more and more negativity and people are growing exhausted and infected with its energy. Lastly, it brings a weird dissonance when you say all these negative things on your video, and then comment on people that 'you still like it' and 'it's still good'. Infesting negativity is one thing, but if you're going to be one way, I'd wish you'd make it clear by sticking to your word.
Regards.
Everything will be clear soon enough. And I'm actually fairly optimistic about most things, but I do see the writing on the wall for GW2. I'll explain things better on the next one.
I came back for JW, but its so mid I left again...
Buuuuut, best battle pass among other MMOs I would say. No stress, no pressure, just chill gaming. Quite sure they listen to feedback, at least some, on the forums if something is amiss in quality.
Please define the word "Expansion" for me.
As I casual player I have no idea what you're talking about. The game is fun. Hope that they do the things you said you'd like though.
Well far from truth ... if you dont like the system just pay monthly for some other MMOs just to play the game
Here's the low intelligence fanboy drone argument.
The point flew over your head xdddd
Just pay monthly for some other MMO?
Calling it a battlepass is wrong. It's certainly okay not to enjoy the content, but cherry picking some things about Wizard's Vault as your reason for calling it a battlepass is pretty weak.
Saying you arent interested in the upcoming content and are going to play casually is fair, but our personal enjoyment of a content doesnt change what is on offer.
IT is absolutely fair. What? These "expansions" have less content then bloody battle passes in other games, are a YEAR long instead of months like every other game with a battle pass. They are literally drip feeding content slower then bloody WoW does, thats insane. Every model they have is essentially a battle pass in everything but name at this point, to try and milk money from players - specifically whales.
There is next to no content, updates are snails pace..... I do not know how you do not see this as a battle pass, truly.
In your opinion, does the content cadence, volume, price point, and reward structure of these mini-expansion have any similarity to how a battlepass manifests itself in other MMORPGs?
All of the things that you said plus some cosmetics are way to gae and class balance is SHIT.
You stating that the new xpacs are simply no xpacs at all to me is just a slap in the face of any Anet developer that puts hours and hours into developing Gw2. I am not saying you should not critize the xpacs, you should (!), but you are nullifying the honest work Anet devs put into these xpacs by making such insane statements... . SotO and JW are what the current dev team calls expansions and you should at least accept that.
How bout no.
SOTO was the devs ripping our 6th piece rune bonus away from us and selling it back to us via relics. Not only that, but a legendary relic is the first legendary that is not future proof. Nope, gotta buy later expansions to get the new relic bonuses. And don’t get me started on the quality *and* quantity of SOTO’s campaign, or which classes got the short end of the weapon master stick.
I don’t care what they call it. It’s overpriced, pay-to-win garbage.
bait used to be believable
If these aren’t expansions, then you’re not a “content creator.”
I guess I'm not a content creator then.
@@SilhouetteGaming1 Do you think FF14 is a glorified JRPG?
@Royal.Grand.Majesty i don't have an opinion on ff14 because I don't pay subscription fees for games. JRPGs can be fun though I've played a little bit of Granblue Fantasy and it was pretty good.
@@SilhouetteGaming1 Then you'd love 14, as many claim it's just that (JRPG) with multiplayer aspects sprinkles on top.
gw2 dead time to move for another game