Black Widow Review: It’s Dull and Boring (Major Spoilers)
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The worst sin that they committed in this film was what they did to Taskmaster.
Bye Tony Masters.
HELLO ANTONIA!
Red Guardian sucked as well.
@@anubusx Didn't Red marry Black Widow in the comics? Now he's surrogate daddy.
@@Delraich444
Yes.
You mean Taskmistress
remember when JOKER made like 90 million opening weekend and the positive fan buzz kept that movie floating to a billion dollars, despite the access media wanting it to fail, well the opposite is happening with BLACK WIDOW, the fan buzz is mostly "its okay" at best, and the access media is trying to give excuses for its falling numbers.
THE FANS DETERMINE franchises EVERYTIME.
Also media try to say zack synder justicie league was a flop in streaming..
Well, fans fell for Marvellous Captain...
@@AKUJIVALDO I wonder about the overlap of fans.
@@AKUJIVALDO I wouldn't be so sure. There were plenty of "sold out" theatres that had like nobody in them. Seems Disney bought their own tickets for it.
It's nice that zsjl is seen as the best hero based thing this year, zack needed that win
On a stupider note, apparently a Tony Stark cameo was cut bc they didn't want the male avengers involved.
On a lighter note, apparently when the mask was on, Taskmaster was played by a man bc they wanted someone more imposing. Oh gee, where's the outrage from people saying women can do anything men can do? Guess it only applies when convenient.
Thats such BS. Stop making shit up for your narrative
@@pedrofaria2825 both statements were reported on. They didn’t want Tony Stark’s cameo in it so cut it from the early draft, and there was an actual man that was in the Taskmaster suit when the helmet was on for the imposing aspect.
I don't know. The gait of Taskmaster always seemed rather feminine to me(idk, you can garb a female in full armor and give her military training + hazmat, I'm still gonna guess properly that it's a she). Ok, some scenes might've been shot with a guy, but on average...? I'd say it was a "she" the whole time.
@@goransekulic3671 if you look it up, every shot with helmet on taskmaster was shot with a male in the suit. They only swapped in the female actor for helmet-less scenes.
@@ThatneGuy-wi8od Ok, I'll believe you. It's just...Taskmaster had a definitely catlike gait in the beginning, maybe it was mimicking Widows or Natasha, who knows.
What infuriated me most was the treatment of Red Guardian. They couldn't even give him *ONE* heroic moment. He was always a joke, always a loser, and always saved by the women.
This is the last MCU movie I'll watch.
Yeah, and we see very clearly that he is really strong and powerful...there is no reason to think he can't hold his own...getting him out of prison is understandable, maybe even being emotionally distant from him, but power wise, absolutely not.
I agree for the most part about the ineffective Red Guardian. However, his alter ego Alexei Shostakov does complete his mission in the opening scenes and is instrumental in his sleeper family's rousing escape from America to Cuba. Did they lobotomize him in that Russian prison?! His character completely changed after 21 years. His total ineptitude and buffoonery! Regardless I think a Black Widow film should been made just after Captain America - Civil War and included Hawkeye with Natasha explaining Budapest in flashback to Yelena. We should be getting a Black Widow 2 now, and Natasha's return from the dead via Tony Stark's finger snap. There's room for more than one Black Widow.
It took me watching WandaVision to realize that Endgame was truly the end of the MCU.
I always say there's being funny, and than there's being a joke
weird dichotomy out there, some people cry watching it and others say its boring.
It’s getting more and more difficult to separate sincerity from parody. Making the daughter the Taskmaster is like a joke in a movie making fun of comic book movies.
They did Taskmaster dirty by making him a woman even tho a male stunt double was doing everything the whole time... how brave.
They also did red guardian dirty (not even going to bother talking about David Harbour in general) by just making him a buffoon there only for comedic relief.
It's really annoying when the actress is given praise for essentially playing a role where she only has to speak 1 line and stare blankly for a couple of seconds while the Stunt guy gets no respect or praise despite him doing all the cool shit. They should've just made Taskmaster a dude or hell, make him a modified Ultron Bot, yeah it's not accurate but atleast it's better than what we got.
David "PUNCH PEOPLE IN THE FACE!!!" Harbour. Yeah, the less said the better.
Deadpool would be pissed that one of his rivals got this treatment
Black Widow could easily have carried her own film... IF the writers wrote a good movie...
Of course thats true of nearly any character. good writers can pull off quite a bit
I agree and it needed done 8 years ago !
@@captaintony1227
Under the wokebrella it faired bad
Why was Red Guardian fat of he was in jail
He should've been fit that wasn't even realistic
And had a better director and producer.
@@darkseid6089
It had Kevin Fiegi which he produces all the avengers stuff he is commissioned to go with another narrative now
_"...I never really felt that the character of Natasha Romanoff was really strong enough to warrant her own stand-alone film."_
Based solely on what we've seen in the MCU, I don't think many of us can disagree. However, if you're like me, you were hoping that a Black Window film could lend the character that strength and depth. If done right, it could have made Natasha's sacrifice in Endgame far more emotional. Sadly, this film is too late AND too little.
If they'd made a good Black Widow movie and released it between Endgame and Infinity War instead of shoehorning in Captain Marvel, that would have been great.
or at least more shots of scarlet.
That animated Black Widow movie with the Punisher they released back in 2014 was a better Black Widow movie.
When I think of female strength and deadly cunning I think of that opening scene in GoldenEye with Pierce Brosnan where the villainous cracks the old military guys back and ribs suffocating him while smiling. That scene scared me like it was supposed to and gave her character a sinister aura that's hard to create but once it's there it doesn't go away. That's the type of "femme fatale" most effective on screen. Captain Marvel showed too much strong mental fortitude while leaving out physicality. It's easy to ruin a character either way with too much of one without the other. Is anyone else able to think of a female villain they were actually intimidated/impressed with? I'm curious to who gets mentioned now since I haven't ever thought about it.
Similar to the problems with MCU's Spider-Man. Don't get me wrong, he's adorable, but heck if they missed many opportunities to lend depth to his portrayal.
The part of the trailer that showed a 13 year old girl with *blue hair* told me everything I needed to know
….yep; I knew the “fix was in”
~Dusty Rhodes
It was like a flashing blue light warning of what was instore. Blue har on kids in the 80/90s????
@@JennySparkz yep we did it with kool aid lol
@@crystalrose9261 This, This I did not know!!! Hunh, you learn something new everyday :)
She looked like some tipped a Slush Puppy on her head.
Kills all the male prisoners: not a big deal.
Kills daughter of misogynist: tragic, haunting.
It's the 'Women are Wonderful' effect in action.
The daughter was a kid. Of course she would feel bad
Taskmaster can copy any fighting style...Widow not being challened by this AT ALL ...wow. Dont they know the writing rule if you mention a gun in the room you have to use it??
They applied the rule "Chekhov's Flub"
Not any fighting style. He's unable to copy Deadpool because he tends to improvise.
@@vetarlittorf1807 And he has to use gadgets to compensate for superpowers of course.
I always found the scary thing about TM was that he could not just copy his current opponents fighting style but also use the styles of anyone he fought earlier making him more dangerous with every battle.
i said the exact thing, and they ignored the gun rule right off the bat. the first scene talks about "bioluminescence" then, they never fucking mention it again. but it spoken like its important. kind of like talking about how deadly a thing is in a movie only to find out later that its the bad guys weakness? why the fuck even talk about it and word it so strongly if they dont fucking need it?
Scarlett Johansson : " _I dont like how the character is objectified_ "
The character is literally named after and designed after a female spider that draws in males for mating and then kills those males.
@Daniel Bradler She's only saying that now because she's close to 40 and thus won't be able to bank on her looks as much.
But those males dont have to pay aliments. Allways look on the bright Side!
i dont like how here character wasnt objectified. need something to get me through a mediocre movie
Check out her movie Underthe Skin.. Full nude Scarlett lures men w sex to kill them.. The irony
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 THIS GUY GETS IT!!
Bitch is already past it
Why does anybody go to the movies anymore? A desperate grasp at nostalgia; for a time when movie makers knew their audience and made serious content?
Theatres are so much better than they used to be so I do go if there’s something I think needs a big screen or an audience. Last time was a rescreening of Pulp Fiction and I had a glass of beer, then a cheeseburger and a sprite delivered to my seat.
It's not just Nostalgia. For decades now I have helped arrange screenings of classics films for charity and the emotional impact of the big screen cannot be underestimated.
I'd rather stay home and watch the old movies I know DON'T SUCK. Heck even the bad movies from yesteryear are better than the swill they're churning out these days.
this movie is just a vehicle for the 'new' Black Widow, Helena, for the M-She-U, just as 'Loki' was the vehicle for the new female Loki, who will no doubt appear, like Helena, in the Second Phase movies. A Second Phase which will feature Female Thor (already announced to be played by Natalie Portman), female Hawkeye (Kate Whatshername), Kamala Khan (a movie will no doubt be released later this year) and female Iron Man (it's a toss up between Pepper or some random Female of Diversity). Why give these morons the light of day, let alone a single penny?
@Smallpotato1965 You are on point with that theory; Disney will bring about their own undoing with this SJW propaganda~
In fact, I am convinced that if Pepper Potts isn't chosen as the next "Iron Woman", then Disney will commit to using the character known as Iron Heart as Pepper's replacement~
If they do use Iron Heart, then I will be laughing my butt off at how incredibly bad those productions will end up being~
Msheu
@Xavier Rodriguez Since you asked, I'll tell you why I think that it is going to be bad:
I've researched Iron Heart's backstory and what I've found was very disappointing.
Iron Heart, A.K.A. Riri Williams, basically stole Tony Stark's Iron Man Suit, reprogrammed and restructured it somehow, and made it better than Tony Stark could, all at the incredibly immature age of 15 years ago~
Furthermore, if that wasn't impossible enough already, her story-line is full of SJW propaganda that makes her character development completely shallow.
I could go on with additional reasons, but I think that you will already understand what I mean~
@Xavier Rodriguez I've watched reviews on Black Widow and found that it was also full of SJW propaganda; Ex. Taskmaster, who was suppose to be a man, was retconned into being a woman because Modern Marvel loves pushing SJW propaganda more so than logical story-lines.
Furthermore:
- Marvel did the same thing in Loki (retconned him into a bisexual when he isn't in the mythology),
- Marvel made Scarlet Witch incredibly crazy and selfish in WandaVision, when Vision already taught her to be more selfless; so, Marvel retconned that character development.
- Marvel made Falcon and the Winter Soldier with so much heavy-handed SJW propaganda that the show's audience rates dropped drastically after each new SJW insertion.
You are not dumb, buddy; Marvel is just confusing you and rest of the standard audience on purpose~
They want you to be so confused by their brainwashing that you just give-in and believe that their propaganda is a good thing, when it is the exact opposite.
Personally, I believe that it is 100% terrible!
But, of course, you can choose to like whatever you want to~
However, I suggest that you do not trust Modern Marvel so easily; Endgame was retconned into a SJW narrative thanks to Modern Marvel, when it should have been a master-piece like Infinity War was~
Nonetheless, all that information is something that I leave in the past; I only watch the future now, and prepare for the worst that Marvel can possibly make~
@@rossdavis428 jesus fucking christ shut the hell up about how it’s all sjw propaganda. loki is actually bisexual and gender fluid in the comics and mythology and it’s always great to have some bisexual man representation in the media. i have no clue what you mean by sjw things in the falcon and the winter soldier. in wandavision wanda has a literal mental breakdown and she breaks down reality itself. she had just lost someone really close to her which can change how you feel towards others for a while, especially if you’re a super powerful witch mutant.
Holywood used to be watchable
@hgfdfghjk is that why they rely on Chinese money?
Every movie script now has to pass through a gauntlet of woke censors. They destroy everything they touch.
@Mike MCbain I watched a little Breakfast Club on tv recently. The network had a couple young diverse folks on during commercial breaks who would comment on the movie. I guess they were supposed add humor to the viewing, but essentially all their jokes were denigrating the movie because it wasn't diverse. It won't be long before there is a extensive list of banned non-diverse old movies and shows. Fahrenheit 451 is coming.
@@buddykerr1 good grief
The fact that the villain's motivation for the Black Widow program was "there are too many women in the world" is not only dumb, it doesn't make sense. If his problem is that women outnumber men, why not just capture and kill them? Why train them to be even MORE efficient survivors?
Because he's a cringy Feminist strawman like Black mask from birds of prey & they both have shitty deaths.
I think he see woman as resource to use, since there is more of them. But I dont know why only woman, i mean he can have more army with man and woman combine. Man for more power approach and woman for stealth and ability use.
If Johansen had any integrity she’d be pissed about how her character was trashed in a lousy move. Instead, she shills for it. How brave and amazing really 🥸
Like Mark Hamill, she may be contractually obligated to lie about how stunning and brave her character was.
@@foxp2483 she also shilled for Joss Whedon. Not a lot going on up inside that head of hers.
Scarlet was already beaten down and forced to apologise by the twitter mob after she said she should be able to play any role she wants because it's acting She can't... only gays are allowed to play gays now. Because 'reasons'. (It's okay for gays to play straight people though... because... see above under reasons). So she has to tow the line now and say whatever she is told to.
@@madquest8 the difference here is that Whedon was metoo’d, therefore public perception was against him and she had nothing to gain (in towing the liberal line) by sticking up for him.
PS - it might seem that I am defending Joss Whedon, but I am not. I never liked his style of stories, not even Buffy, Angel, and Firefly, and his involvement in Avengers 1 was what drove me away from the MCU. The accusations against him may or may not be credible: if they are not, I wonder who he pissed off to warrant being dragged through the mud. If they are true, I wonder what he did that would make even his liberal buddies turn on him (they defend their own, as seen with Weinstein, Epstein, Singer, and Polanski)
@@foxp2483 Or, like Mark Hamill, she could have refused the role. But neither did, and ever will.
Ahh... actors.. good ones can actually act inside, and out of stage
What amazes me is how people seem to miss what the Red Guardian symbolizes in this movie and why he acts the way he does. It wasn't a character arc, it wasn't because he was in prison. He is in the movie to symbolize all male superheroes up until now: clumsy, stupid, pointless, obsolete. The Black Widows represent the superheroes of tomorrow: strong, agile, smart, women. This is Disney foreshadowing the path forward for Marvel movies, or the M She U. If you didn't see it, then you really weren't paying attention.
Thought it was fat Thor; might as well have been
@@darrengordon-hill
I don't get why people bag on Fat Thor. I get that they made him a comedy bit for a while, but at the end he stepped up when it counted and risked his life to fight Thanos.
We will see how it all plays out financially?
Like I said earlier, a Cap America level super soldier content to stay in a prison he could (made obvious later) escape easily at almost any time?
Just because some people showed up in a chopper?
B.t.w. Nat said she requested a jet earlier, chiding the guy who gets her her stuff for his incompetence (with a smile to so it's all ok).
How in hells name were they going to use the jet to get him out?
What I was confused by was, they spent 3 years in America and had no accents and then later, they had Russian accents.
To be somewhat fair, at the very end of this video:
I'm pretty sure Scarlett wanted OUT of this franchise. So having Tony bring her back, isn't something she wanted.
Just like Cap and Chris Evans. He wanted OUT too. Just like RDJ also... wanted OUT. They know its over.
At this point I feel like Chris Evans wanted out mostly so he could go full far left communist.
When he was Cap he barely mentioned anything about politics. Now he is completely Robert Deniro-style unbearable.
Hawkeye will be playing second fiddle to his daughter, Kate, in his own show.
Actually apprentice
She probably could have held her own if they had just released this much earlier on, but I think she works best with the rest of the agents of SHIELD. They compliment each other.
@Mike S Bad casting and writing of hawkeye.
Funny how young Red Guardian was a badass, then old Red Guardian was an imbecile.
He got fat 😂
same as Thor who became kind of an idiot when he gained weight
Par for the course these days...the men are portrayed as dolts and the women are all Mary Sue's! Blech!!!
For me it was 100% improbable that a man who was essentially an alternate Captain America in moves and power level could have been locked up in what looked like a pretty normal prison (even if it was in a freezing tundra).
It should have been a Russian version of Shields maximum security super prison barge featuring specialized cells.
This plus the tattoos to me was just done to stamp home that he was a vulgar idiot to be laughed at.
The escape sequence were he mostly breaks free and trough safety glass and doors in seconds and then just stands there after the girl squad arrived was just infuriating.
The guy he was at the the start would have started planning his escape to take revenge on who betrayed him as soon as he woke up in lock up.
Also why did they show him taking the toy with him then if they never referred to it again?
Would have been a good "I sacrificed it all for Russia, but never forgot you" moment if he still had the thing in the present day.
Same with the toy Nat gives to her sister.
It seems unlikely and improbable to me that Red Guardian (Cap’s Russian counterpart) would have gotten fat. Even if it wasn’t Erskine’s formula, Alexei still would have been an enhanced individual and wouldn’t have gotten fat so easily. I mean, yeah, he would have aged a bit but not as dramatically as normal humans. This is what happens when you hire writers who don’t care about the source material (look it up, Jac Schaeffer actually said that).
What I hate most is how royally fucked up Taskmaster. He's supposed to be a smartass on par with Spider-Man and Deadpool and his combat prowess let's him fight and even defeat characters like Captain America, Winter Soldier, and Black Panther. Also the whole girl power thing they tried to push is undermined by the fact that despite being played by a woman all of Taskmaster's fighting and stunts were performed by a man.
Only fighting and stunts?
@@goransekulic3671 The only time a woman was in the costume was for the face reveal near the end, throughout almost the entire movie Taskmaster is played by a stunt actor named Andy Lister.
@@TheSonOfTheDragon Now even walking etc is supposed to be "stunts" lol. Oh well, maybe I'm just not well versed in that area.
@@goransekulic3671 What point are you trying to make?
@@TheSonOfTheDragon Idk, he seemed to walk too graciously for a man prior to that first fight scene. Could've been just an impression. Like seeing what you want to see.
Never mind. :)
I was always disappointed that Scarjo didn't put on a heavy Russian accent for the role. That always felt like a big part of Black Widow to me.
Female stars don't have to go to that kind of effort.
@@LetholdusKaspyr I can hear Christian Bale screaming somewhere from far far away.
@Neon Thunderbird But she never, ever speaks with a Russian accent, even among Russians.
She'd be a pretty bad spy if she had a noticeable accent. Now, if she could put on ANY accept depending on the situation, that would be deeply in character
@@grantmalone Fair enough. Those guys' unique voices were part of their brand, though.
They totally devalued the mythos of female agents period!
Natasha doesn't have any Superpowers, so do the other agents of her former organization. Just like he Loki show, this movie ignores MCU lore totally, which devalue her even more.
Black Widow shined the most in Infinity War. You could tell that she was working so hard to hold onto her new family (the Avengers). She is going without sleep and not even eating just to find Hawkeye. We also learn the tragedy of her sterilization. So when she sacrifices herself, you understand exactly why she did it. She would do anything to save the people who felt the most like family to her.
Very true! Your analysis is spot on. The 'Black Widow' film had a lot more potential and the one thing that failed it was the writing.
@@gerryanderson6378 that's basically what I think about every new marvel show/movie :D great potential and visuals but really bad writing...
I agree 100% with this summary as when I felt the most empathy for the character was seeing her interact with the team and eventually make the ultimate sacrifice in order to save countless victims. The new phase 4 with this film as well as the trailer for "she hulk" appear to be sjw tag lines and woke philosophy turned up to the max while shoving down the hero aspect so much it doesn't even register the sense of awe usually achieved with marvel movies. The days of the "M-she-U" opposed to the "M.C.U." is in full effect. Disney's marketing and G rated campy designs have been on full display ever since Endgame and it's not going away anytime soon. Captain Marvel was the first major let down for me with how poorly the script was executed while also feeling a cut and paste style editing unseen before. Let's hope MoonKnight or perhaps Hawkeye are different.
Which is another impressive character trait forgotten about and fucked off in this movie. Saying that Natasha at the point of infinity war/endgame had an actual family she was fully aware of but never did anything about, and that Natasha before BW had a sister out there in the world that again, she never spoke of or gave a fuck about.
It's another of many examples of the crystalline planning that typified the marvel saga up to Endgame, and is clearly entirely absent after it.
Wasn’t eating ? Was that based on her literally eating at her desk ? Nice conclusion 😅
Well it's hard for fans to care about a flashback movie for a character who was already killed off. Worse when the people making that movie have zero talent or imagination.
Well Dave, any NPC that unsubscribes from you for telling the truth was never a sub worth having.
Keep spitting them red pills!
@@winterspidey4133 are you being serious? It was incredibly woke and it isn't about sexism idk how not liking unrealistic mary sues is sexist
The CGI is the poorest you've seen in an MCU film... having seen the truly awful CGI in Black Panther, that is a damning comment!
That bmw ad car chase was awful
nobody could see the awful cgi in black panther
@@nostrum6410 If you didn't see the awful CGI in Black Panther, you either didn't see the movie, or you're Stevie Wonder! Some of the worst CGI in any blockbuster movie... there are computer games with better graphics.
Taskmaster is his daughter? That is just doing dirty by Taskmaster, what a way to ruin a potentially creative villain.
If I were waiting breathlessly for a black widow movie that shows off Scarlett johannsson's skills, I'd be pissed. I thought it was a decent movie, even though it was all women=awesome and men=bad or comic relief, but it was movie to replace black widow with her sister for the future. As a goodbye to an awesome character it totally sucked.
Black Widow is better. I don't like her arrogant sister. Sorry not sorry..
Also, the fact of "black widows" takes away Black Widow's uniqueness as a superhero...but as someone who hasn't read Black Widow comics, I reserve the right to be wrong on that, still, as far as cinema goes, I was hoping for a more unique back story for Black Widow.
@@amberslahlize7961
In backstory there was a group of female black widows trained very young.
@@2bituser569 Yeah that's very boring lol
The funniest part about destroying a whole prison filled with guards and inmates, some possibly innocent , is that in Civil war this was the main reason they fought each other , the Serkovia accords, where is the character growth? what was the use for Civil War if an Avenger was just gonna keep on killing masses and then go have a family dinner like it was nothing?
When John Walker killed 1 terrorist, fans called him a war criminal psychopath.
But when Black Widow killed innocent workers, she’s still a hero.
That's exactly the point though. There isn't an outside audience who sees what Nat does in this movie besides "us" the audience. In world, sure what she's doing should absolutely be judged. No where in the movie does the movie itself say she's a hero for that. If people watching the movie can't see that then they just aren't watching the movie and aren't following/understanding the perspectives of characters in the universe.
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the idea that Nat deserves recognition or solace after her actions. Most of her story goes out of its way to describe her as someone who's making up for her last anyway.
It's subjective. It's one characters journey and perspective. And it's up to you entirely to decide if you want them to succeed or fail.
he sister calls her a murder, even after doing good and becoming criminal after civil war.
Yep, russian captain America LITERALLY told us that he only got put there because he was a threat to generic villain guy, IE we can pretty safely assume some if not all of those prisoners were POLITICAL prisoners put there to be forgotten and not actual felons or villains...
By their own dialogue Black Widow and sister killed HUNDREDS of presumably innocent people just to break their dad out of prison, seems pretty super-villainy to me, lol.
Underwhelming would be a good way to describe it. The biggest problem for me was that it just came too late. I wasn't the biggest fan of what they did to Taskmaster, but I don't read a lot of Marvel comics, so I've nothing to compare the movie version with. I also want to know how she got away from Ross the end of the movie as that seemed like a pivotal moment, but the movie didn't even show us. At least the post credit scene tied into The Falcon and the Winter Solider and possibly the new Hawkeye TV series.
There's an anime, that I forgot the name of that takes place in a fictional ancient China. The main character is a girl from a minor noble family with some minor aspirations to move above her status BUT not rejecting that she is a woman with limits of upward mobility. She is very intelligent and very aware of the world around her. There's a great story arc where she decided to participate in the scholar's exam, that even the smartest men had trouble getting into because of the intense demand of your intelligence. She being a woman is obviously looked down upon but it doesn't put her down. She had determination. There is a scene before she went to take the exam that illustrate woman vs men. A friend of her, who is a courtesan puts some makeup on her, touch up her face a bit to make her presentable. The girl asked why and the courtesan replied, that THIS is a woman's armor for when they go to war. The lesson is that no matter what you do, don't forget what you are. It literally takes what Tyrion said in GoT "Never forget who you are, because the world surely won't. Wear it like armor and it can never be used against you."
Sounds like Color cloud palace/saiunkoku monogatari.
@@jeffdeleon3403 A fellow man of culture, I see
@@Excalibur01 hilariously, i have yet to actually watch that anime. Just saw it a lot on animex back in the days. Also read a review on an anime magazine. :D
@@jeffdeleon3403 To be honest, the show is kinda boring and drags a bit but it has a good story
@@Excalibur01i'll take dragging but still.a good story over anything that comes out of western franchises. Heck, i'm better off watching original astro boy than anything in the americas.
Glad to see you back, Dave.
Black Widow never had a successful long running series and only had mini series for a reason. Honestly with how Black Widow and Hawkeye where shoved into Iron Man 2 and Thor it's clear that the original plan for Phase One was for Ant Man and Wasp to be introduced in the originally planned 2009 Ant Man movie by Edger Wright and having the Avengers be the original members of the team similar to the original formation in the comics.
I think the worst part of MCU Hawkeye is just how fucking easy it was for them to actually integrate rather than shoehorn him into the movies we saw him in
I think you’re right. In the concept art for Avengers (2012), Wasp was shown with Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, and Captain America.
You can't just take someone's place to get the Soul Stone, you have to sacrifice something or someone that you love.
He already had possession of the soul stone. He was wielding its power, not trying to obtain it. Perhaps the rules for obtaining the stone from its home and resurrecting a soul from inside it are different?
@@nicholasbullock1709 Plus Tony has always pretty much been in love with himself most of the time : )
Just another piece of crap Disney Wokism-fest. Never going to watch! But, thank you, Dave for the straight up warning. Blessings!
Movie ruined Taskmaster and likely the last MCU movie people actually give a shit about until Dr. Strange Sequel
Shang Chi, but having read the comic the new Thor will tick them off.
By that time no one will care about the Dr. Strange sequel since they removed him from WandaVision foe being a HUWHITE male.
Imagine my shock that taskmaster is a woman now
I don't get why people are shocked over that but not over the fact that they made the Ancient One a white woman.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Oh, trust me. I hated that too. He's supposed to be an old Asian man, not the White Witch of Narnia. Love Tilda Swinton, but she's not the Ancient One.
the taskmaster walked like a man
That wasn't Taskmaster, it was some sort of crappy variant! Great job Disney ruining an excellent comic book character!
He was always one of my favorite villains.
Funny you should say "variant" lol.
@Frfreww 46 Agreed. This Taskmaster is trash. "Trashmaster," if you will.
I agree Tony Masters was so awesome in the comics.
@Frfreww 46 He also went toe to toe with spiderman using grappling hooks and nets as less efficient web replacements IIRC in the older comics.
This movie results from what happens when you hire people with little or no experience with filmmaking, nor are they familiar with marvel characters.
Russo brothers would have killed it. This thing was a sh7 show.
@Aleric c I know that X Men isn't MCU, but it is definitely a "Marvel" movie. And despite Hugh Jackman's love amongst the uninitiated, I have yet to find someone who read the Wolverine comics in the '80s/'90s who thought that he was a great choice for the role.
True, but the underlying issue, the thing that drives most of the decision making, is agenda. Political agenda. We have a generation of activists entering into the work force and they make their decisions based on their politics.
Why is Elaine from Seinfeld in the stinger? Does that mean George Costanza is an Avenger now?
Kramer...
Assman is getting called up to the Majors.
@@bethanyh1637 his super power would be the ability to kill with WTF, confuse his oponents so severly they die from befuddlement
It was shrinkage! The pool was cold director fury
Black widow spiders have the hourglass shape on their stomachs, not their backs. I was in the National Guard back in the 80's, and I served with a guy who caught one in a jar while we were in Virginia. He took it home to Pennsylvania, and fed it to his pet Oscar-fish. A few minutes later Oscar went tits up.
For the most part, Black Widow was an ok movie but because of some heavy handed shit and how everyone saw the gender bent reveal of Taskmaster coming from a mile away. I bet if Taskmaster here isn't received well, they'll retcon it like The Madarian in a later movie
No need to retcon. He's played by a stuntman. Just don't let her take the helmet off. And make her speak with a male voice, explained as a voice modulator.
nopt if you have no idea who taskmaster is
The plot wasn't a problem, barely an inconvenience.
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
I need you to get all the way off my back on this one
Surely we wrapped the plot up, we don’t need to keep telling these stories?
Yeah I know but then money happened!
Oh yeah I like money!
@FLYNN RYDER ... wow.
Scarlett Johansson is tight
My main problem is that Natasha was more of a spy not a superhero, everyone knew who she was.
I was looking forward to listening to the review. I have to say I am surprised. I found it neither dull nor boring. I did not find it particularly WOKE movie either. Yes, it did address some topical matters. However, I do not think it was trying to be offensive and not was it ham-fisted in how it handled it. For a contrast, Here is my movie review.
I care about movies that cause me to think and feel for what is happening. The Black widow movie did this. That is why I care for this story about the rediscovery of family and overcoming your past to save today.
I was crying 15 mins into the movie. Just think what happens. Two girls living an “ideal “ American life are:
Forced to flee at a moment’s notice with few of their treasures.
Forced to leave in a hail of bullets that seriously wound their mother.
Forced to leave their parents with no warning.
Forced to be pawns by people who care nothing for them.
Imagine what it would be like to be those children. Is their plight not worth crying over?
The modern Natasha position in life is not much better. She has been forced to flee and to hide. She has lost her new family, and her failures loom large over her.
But all is not lost. She finds she does have a sister that she can depend on. She finds around the kitchen table that her “fake family”, in their own strange way, love each other. And so the fightback starts.
And I was crying at the end. And why not?
In the end, she was standing victorious.
She had her family back.
She had brought justice to those who abused her.
She had addressed some of the red in her ledger.
And she was returning to bring her other family together
Is that not something worth crying with joy about?
Few movies are without weaknesses. It has the usual Marvel problem of a weakly designed villain who wants to rule the world. The big set fights are surprisingly uninspiring, and this very human Avenger should probably die at least 3 times in the movie. But they do not take away from what we learn about Natasha.
What do we learn about Natasha? She is a hero who thinks and feels. She is a hero who uses her skills and brains to outwit and outplay her opponents. She is the toughest girl in the world who has been made stronger by the pain she has endured. And she makes this movie wonderful.
The Critical Drinker is awesome.
Devon Stack is better.
@@tribaldefender473 I can’t find that person.. what I find is black pill .. don’t know if that’s is a good idea..
@@bacht4799 Black Pilled is his channel
You can find Black pill on bitchute. I would watch his videos, but they all 2.5 hours long.
You are not losing any subscribers Dave, you will gain more.
In LoE Book 9 "Stenibelle " , while on Planet Fall, Stenibelle takes to robbing people on the docks. She's amazed how ridiculously easy it is for her to rob men (and women) coming in off of arriving ships. All she had to do was get in someone's face, smile, look innocent, and she had them. She accumulates so much stolen booty she gets bored with it all. For Stenibelle her most potent and sinister weapon was her charm and femininity, which she weilded without mercy.
She still had to put out.
With every review, I feel better and better about my decision to walk away from the MCU after Endgame.
...and I feel better about walking away after Ant Man and Doctor Strange...
I know, man. It was boring. Had cool characters, but the drama was mediocre, to be honest. I mean, it felt like they had a really cool idea about the movie, but messed up the execution with bad pacing and plot choices for the movie. So yeah, sadly it's the second MCU movie I won't be watching ever again. The first being Thor: The Dark World, of course.
(The edit was to remove a few repeated words.😅)
the movies had no stakes
Thank you for your insightful commentary. I'm in agreement with you and Critical Drinker about the misunderstanding of the female beauty use and current woke culture. It's making me take another look at the movie industry
The flashbacks showed they taught the widows to dance in the red room .seduction and graceful movement would seem to part of there training
If this movie had come along before the first Avengers movie, the character would still be relevant and the actress would still be UNAPOLOGETICALLY hot. Black Widow could have become a great character, a team centerpiece. Instead, we get weak, woke nonsense. A crappy story about passing the torch and showing up the Huwite Man.
SO, once that red-gas-antidote was in Yelena's possession, why didn't she use it each time they were attacked by fellow Black Widow operatives? It would have neutralized the attacker(s) and given them ANOTHER ally.
Hey it's Elaine from Seinfeld, they should bring Mr Peterman into the MCU. The quality drop off in this series has been sharp since Infinity War.....
I still think it was a major missed opportunity to cover the story of Hawkeye's first encounter with Black Widow and her turn to hero from cold assassin. Would have been a great origin story film for both of them in a way.
7 or 8 years ago with someone like Faveau or the Russo brothers directing and writing I would have given anything for this but now..pass.
SPOILERS!
The woman talking to Jelena in the after credits scene is Madame Hydra who was first introduced in the Winter Soldier and the Falcon series. So that scene must have been added in post-production after the film had been shot the years prior.
@@cfssuperhero Didn't know that! But it worked out for the better for both the film and the TV show.
fynny enough, the agent Carter show actually explains the back widow program better.
because it was just before the cold war, any female agent whole be extreamly underestimated and as such, allow more room to operate by there enemies, making them extreamly good subversive agents.
Instead of watching Black Widow, I watched the Spider-man trilogy last week (the films made in 2002, 2004, 2007). I probably had the better deal. That trilogy holds up better than I remembered them being (I last saw them in theater, after all). I appreciated that every villain (even Spidey's own stint as a villain in the third film) had a chance for redemption, and most of them even took the chance instead of dying in despair.
I know this comment isn't very related to the video. I just like watching good, well-written movies.
Dave Cullen is the only Red-headed stepchild that deserves a movie.
"There no magic way to bring her back"
Marvel multiverse has entered chat
Have you tried Kang?
They should've made this movie instead of Captain Marvel. That movie was pointless and added *nothing* to the MCU. Black Widow could've been a contender but became the towel girl, instead.
Am I the only guy who doesn't find Scarlett Johansson very attractive?
yes
No I don't get it either. Same with Beyonce.
Yes.
Well said. In total agreement - can't see the attraction either. But Scarlett Witch was something else - she is HOT!
Yes, yes you are.
A movie so "Dull and Boring" that even reviews by great talents like Dave Cullen, redlettermedia, and the Critical Drinker are dull.
Usually I watch their reviews instead of the movies. Black Widow was one of the exceptions because I really wanted to like this movie and the first 20 minutes looked really promising. After that I guess I'll save my time and go back to just watching the reviews.
There's no story, character, property, or franchise the Disney cannot ruin.
They made the base a cloud city just so they could do an inferior remake of Zod and Superman from Man of Steel using that satellite as a fighting platform lol
Black Widow was a brilliant character, played to perfection and one of the key figures in the MCU. Certainly the key female figure. She deserved a real movie with Budapest/Hawkeye/Winter Soldier. That film, if made to the best of MCU standards, would have been brilliant. Instead we got the Florence Pugh origin story.
Disagree with your characterization of her power too. Think of this: Hawkeye, with morals off under mind control, nearly took down an entire heli-carrier with some of the most powerful Avengers onboard. Leading little more than a SWAT team he tears through that SHIELD ship mercilessly. The same guy chops through an entire troop of Thanos demons in Endgame. He was also the only one to avoid Wanda's mind-control in Ultron. We're talking the baddest of badasses here. And who go the best of him not once but twice? Natasha. She's a living weapon and beyond dangerous.
@Mike S What exactly is BS? If Chris Hemsworth wasn't hot nobody would care. See how easy that was? And if you don't think BW and Hawkeye were integral to plot lines then you really weren't paying attention. ScarJo is excellent in the role and conveyed character development over movies with depth and nuance.
@Mike S And nobody ever gave a flying rat's ass about Thor before the MCU... except comic book nerds. Ditto Captain America and Iron Man. If Thor was played by Jonah Hill nobody would care. They care because he's hot. Exactly the same as Black Widow. The only thing I'm showing is that you can use your "logic" to describe most of the MCU. ScarJo sold Natasha just like Hemsworth sold Thor and Evans sold Cap.
Given a decent script she would be fine especially if they went with her and Hawkeye and her and what happened in Budapest making it about Hawkeye telling his daughter about how he first met Nat.
That's a great idea...sadly those overpaid activists couldn't make something similar.
I disagree, she did warrant having her own film. The thing is, it should have been an origins one, like Captain America's, and certainly deserved a better story than what the movie ended up getting.
When it was a Borne/Mission Impossible/Bond style spy movie in the first act and half or so, it was pretty decent. soon as the started MCUing/F&Fing it, it felt like nothing special at all. We *know* these characters (aside from the fat red man) have 0 enhancements/powers, but the plot armor was so thick, and the fact we know when Nat dies, made the stakes meaningless.
If they had *actually* had this movie between Civil War and Infinity War, would have made more sense. If they had had an actual good 3rd act, it would have been great.
Agreed. First third was really good, middle third was mediocre, and the last third was awful. It's even more of a shame because the actors were excellent throughout.
If this was made in 2016 (or even 2018) I'm sure it would have been about Nat and Clint meeting and them then both working for SHIELD. And that would have been so much better.
It makes one wonder how the heck did the iron curtain collapse if they can make buildings hover in the clouds.
Which is the dumbest plot twist in the MCU?
The Mandarin being a burnt out star?
Nick Fury having his eye get scratched out by a cat?
Evan Peters being used for a penis joke?
Or
Taskmaster being Harvey Weinstein's brainwashed daughter?
You've got it all wrong. This isn't a Black Widow movie. This is a Yelena origin movie.
I don't understand how you make a Black Widow movie boring. Spy stuff is generally interesting.
Civil War is where MCU died for me and just seeing Iron Man in Spiderboy Homecoming made me cringe.
@Neon Thunderbird if it came after Civil War and has Iron Man in it, then it’s unwatchable cringe for me.
I actually liked her "sister" she was actually funny IMO and maybe some cornyness due to writing but she made the film for me as an actress.
This film had the potential to be amazing, but here we are- disappointed with the outcome...
I haven’t watched a MCU film for years. Glad to see I’m not missing anything.
you forgot the bit where the real Taskmaster is a man who has the ability and skill to take on all Avengers at once.
This movie finally answered for fans one of the biggest mysteries of the MCU! Why did Black Widow become a blonde and where she got that vest!!
And they already made a much better Black Widow movie on 'Red Sparrow'
SALT was a pretty good Black Widow movie
Cue Vincent Price's monologue in Alice Cooper's "The Black Widow."
When you're so caught up in the politics of a story it MUST go such and so you end up with a foregone conclusion to your plot...and foregone conclusions tend to be BORING
Black widow has always been very much a secondary character. Even in comics she's barely ever held a solo story in over 50 years
The be fair, the last boss' comments about the overabundance of "Girls" as a resource is factual and accurate. (If you're talking about China, to name a famous example...) Doesn't apply to the West at all though, where the last century of girls and women are the most privileged demographic to have ever walked the Earth.
China is facing such a severe shortage of girls that they are openly encouraging intermarriage and resettelization amongst some of their surplus male population in places like Africa (the One Child policy as well as men being more valuable traditionally on farms so female infanticide is the reason for this), so I'm not understanding your comment.
Years of looking forward to this, and they destroy yet another story.
Note: the black widow program was based on fact - the USSR raven program.
The Russian had spaces in the sky and mind controlling drugs? 😂😂😂
The movie "red Sparrow " tells it better.
Sparrows & ravens was the name of the program.
I love your content but I've spent a lot of money on Black Widow Bath Water (TM) so I'm torn about the unsub...
It's the only MCU project so far I don't even wanna watch
You loved Marvellous Captain?
@@AKUJIVALDO NO! It sucked. But I did watch it.
Strong supporting character...yes, totally agree. Same with the others you mentioned, male or female characters. Not every superhero "needs" their own movie.
If I wanted gritty and realistic I’d go watch MOS or BvS. LOL! Just kidding.
Black Widow is a D-List character at best. Disney are now trying to sell characters that no one likes... they will learn the hard way that they can't force popularity on people. There's a reason certain characters are beloved and others aren't. Ms Marvel is the final insult.
I don’t think it’s accurate to say no one likes Black Widow. She seems to be very popular and there has been a fan push for a long time for a Black Widow movie. I don’t think they were trying to force popularity on anyone, they were trying to take an already popular character and use her to introduce a new character. At the end of the day this was really Yelena’s origin story and not Natasha’s story. People wanted Natasha’s story and they wanted that to be more like James Bond and less like Thor because she’s a spy and not super human. Now Captain Marvel was definitely trying to force popularity.
Are you kidding me? D list? She is like a B list character.
i agree, i never even heard of that character until the movie came out. but if they made it 8 years ago at the start maybe it would have been good. before the leftardation infected hollywierd to extremist levels
100% spot on. I was not planning on paying for this movie. But my wife wanted to watch it so we did. I found the movie bland and sloppy with so much wasted potential. My wife is not a comic book person but is a fan of the movies. Needless to say, she liked the movie a lot more than I did.
Another problem was the ridiculously cheezy dialogue. Older MCU films didn't feel forced like this. A main example was their strangely self-conscious determination to make Natasha's sister's vest into a "running gag."