@@subhagashanbhag6878 but Politicians and diplomats make the policies and affect on ppl life .. why should hate these guys.. they are good ..they do their own part.. everyone has space ..
Contribution of Vikram Sampath to this nation is unforgettable. His contribution to history and indigenous people is even bigger. Nation couldn't pay him throughout generations...
Kudos to Sai Deepak for puting the points bluntly. Also my well wishes to Sampath Ji. However I don't agree with Sai Deepak's solution of using softer tone for presenting facts keeping Law and Order in mind. I believe until the facts are not propagated widely and the Truth is not celebrated aggresively, you cannot win this information war. I know you want to limit yourselves under the limit of the Indian Constitution inspired by the current Global Order and the Internation Human Rights pledge of the United Nations. But remember the establishment of the Daharma is supreme than the establishment of the Constitution. I believe no social science debate for Truth and Reconciliation in India will be complete without doing debates on religions too. Even an iota of your disbalanced Tolerance (let alone one way tolerance and universal acceptance) is injustice to the Dharma. The Dharma demands dealing with Mutual Respect to minimize the overall harm of humnaity. Remember it was always "satya-mev" Jayate not "shanti-mev" jayate. You can compromise on Peace but not on the Truth. And finally one counter point to Pavan Verma when he said Hinduism must remain unique (in not being aggresive and taking revenge) even if ______. Well this is like saying I can't be like you and fight you, so it's better I continue suffering like I have been in the past and ultimately die. Bcoz it's better to be unique than to survive copying your flourishing technique.
Sai Deepak ✨✨✨✨. I was one of that person who believed in ganga jamuni tehezeeb idea of existence. Being a student who was interested in history and civics i continued reading history books even after changing of field. I used to ignore the facts that made me uncomfortable. But something changed in my thoughts when ram Janam Bhoomi case decision came out . Though i wasn't in support of breaking down the mosque like that, but what really got into me was , i didn't saw many muslim who came out and said " what happened was wrong and we have are not babar's progeny, or accept his idea " . Never saw many muslim came out and said anything about gyanvyapi mosque which is a like visual evidence of brutality and all of so called intellectual people are still asking the Hindu to be "inclusive" for real??? Even there are many muslim who proudly boasts the loot of somnath, brutality of aurangzeb is celebrated when he is treated as idol for the community. Why even partition happened???, The election really showed the patriotic feelings of minority, and Kashmir is the leaving example of the mindset that divided our country.
You were right until you got to partition - do you really want another 300 million Muslims in a united India? Do you know what they will do with all those extra votes? They will turn India into an Islamic state - abuse us no end! Our young girls will be abducted, sold off to old Muslim men, converted & dumped into brothels! Hindus will have to take permission from Muslims to open Temples! Malaysia razed centuries old Hindu temples! that will happen in India! Blasphemy laws will be used to abuse and kill Hindus and push conversions!
Forget the past history, I have a significant perpetual conflict on brutal genocide and forcefully eviction of Kashmiri Pandit from Kashmir valley that what is the role of secular and humanitarian Kashmiri Muslim to safeguard innocent Hindu Pandit. How many protest and candle marches had been organized by the Kashmiri Muslim against this barbaric genocide.
IF Hindu society was a bit more powerful & awake, perhaps, it would shoulder the life long needs of people like Dr. J.Sai Deepak, Vikram Sampath or Dr.Ananda Ranganathan; so that they can spend more time on nation & civilization rejuvenation!!
I hope that one day all us Hindus will be as educated and well read on our history and its nuances as J Sai Deepak ji and Vikram Sampath ji. Let us all do our part today so if not us then our coming generations can get to this point 👏🏼
Well we south inidan and east Indian are think that hindi Patti Congress bjp cpm are same why don't you rewrite the history of Bengal and pal Sen Ganga riday empire
Agreed, Pavan Verma is one of those people who always muddle up the discussion with wishy washy statements and specious, non-committal stands on multiple sides of the situation.
I cried after listening to J SAI DEEPAK . This is high quality and credible discussion which every BHARATIYA should listen to and understand .. This is nation building activity ..
How many Lajjit day PATHANS? Shak?hun?British? WE NEVER LOOK IN TO INNATE WEAKNESS OF HINDU SOCIETY WHERE CASTE AND CREED PLAYED ALARGE PART TO ALLOW THESE INVASION AND CONVERSION IN THE FIRST PLACE.We talk about SriRam and Arjuna but never aboit Shambuka and Eklabya
Came here to listen to sai deepak ( he was like a sharp shooter ) and vikram sampath ( who was very logical and articulate ) as always. Had lots of fun listening to both of them
Jai Sai Deepak is a legend & a brilliant realist! He has sharp knowledge of history, the civilization issue & has solutions to start addressing the same. Vikram is a brilliant historian!! Varma is like too many Hindus colonized/conquered, ill-informed & contused while Khurshid is an Islamist for all practical purposes!! People like Varma create confusion, muddle things up & are practically useless in seeing the extent of the problem or finding solutions!! Meanwhile, Khurshid & his ideology are the problem!!
Kooti Koti pranam to Sai deepak and Vikram Sampat! The new generation of Indian Rishis of this modern yug! We need more of these kind of divine souls desperately!
"Let good thoughts flow from from all directions & humanity is one family" is greatness of Sanatana Dharma, the essence of Mother India! Profound wisdom of Sai Deepak ji & all panelists. The truth needs be faced. Failure to learn real history is ignorance.
One can confidently entrust the task of re-writing history textbooks for each class to Sai Deepak and Dr. Vikram Sampath. They will do an absolutely fair job to both wings i.e. Left and Right.
Fully agree with Deepak. Pawan Verma has over simplified the choice of Muslims to remain in India after 1947. It was not choice. It was their cunningness. 50 yrs on and India will face another partition.
It's was not choice it was their helplessness. They realised they are not sons and daughters of Turks, Mughals. They don't have money and capital They are poor peoples like other. So they don't have other options and stayed. Those have capital and money migrated to Pakistan and some past hangover minded rich muslims stayed here to get position and they brag ( we choose to stay in India).
I don't think there will be another partition. Now many are aware of their evil plans of ghazwa e hind and establishing caliphate which was not the case in the past.
They expect them to set themselves on fire so others can feel warm. And Hs comply. Y?? They also throw their kids into the fire. How sick is that?? Their stance can b understood. What’s our excuse??
Yes , this reminds us of Sanjaya Rayabara in Mahabharata where Sanjaya ( Dhritharashtra's emissary) advised Pandavas to bear with the atrocities of Kauravas and also made a veiled threat not to dare to go for a War. In their core they are religious fundamentalists and though they are posing a great threat to our faith and values and unleashing terror, he says we should be tolerant. Hypocritical!
@@ramayya1954 We are not a faith but seekers and defenders of truth & justice or Dharma!! Religion is a relatively minor part. This distinguishes us from organized political/supremacist ideologies gift packed as religions: Islam & Christianity!! Their objectives are seen clearly in history of India & across the world!!
We have already paid a heavy price. Should we pay more because a colonized mind and a colonizers spokesman says so? What Is Khurshid's integrity that he should be heard?
Shri Vikram and Shri Sai Deepak Ji both are great as usual. Great eye-opener for many. 👏👏. I would not have been seeing these news channels except for these kinds of luminaries.
Follow Sai Deepak and vikram sampath for inspiration and the responsibility lies with us, they have given us the lead we need to implement those ideas practically.
Sampath is talking about improvement of thought and positive growth. Salman is talking about continuing what we have been doing and still hoping to make it work. It has probably worked for him, that's why.
...its because , in fact a lie can not become a truth if told several times or defended several times, so at the end they have to sulk before the truth
I'm an UPSC aspirant aiming for foreign service I'm surprised at most of what pavan varma said. He's a product of nehruvian marxist school which most selected candidates were then(even now). But the system's inability to change him even after 3 decades of working for the nation in Services says that something is rotten. It has to be foreign policy of Congress behind this which never forced them to think & see the other side as both are aligned for destruction of bharath
i am also a upsc aspirant , i am happy to see that , you didn't get white washed by history taught to us(even in upsc) , and have the critical thinking ability of what is right and what is wrong , kudos to you bro , we need enlightened individuals , rat rata ke to duniaya chal hi rhi hai
@@shubhamtiwari3009 You have to work hard to set your filter first. You only can develop that skill on your own where you can discern what is a BS & what's not. I give half the credit to my family which inculcated values through our stories & made us sit for ramayan & mahabharath before TV during our childhood. People without any capability think for themselves wander around in thin air. The leftist ideology engulfs them instantly to fill up the vacuum. So I was surprised at what is being taught only after coming here for the prep & could see that instantly.
Actually what fact/thought of Mr Varma to you don't subscribe? Nehruvian Marxist view as u said . Whatever he said(mahavakya) is exactly from upnishad which is gems of philosophy of Hindus.
The fact is Indias bureaucrats are the biggest problem in India to imply any good scheme on ground level. The amount of corruption happened in the system because of this sarkari babus are the worst part in India after politician. Even BJP with the great mejority couldn't make much of a diffrance.
People like Mr. Verma who attempt to emulate the elite accent in English are the root cause of all these miseries in todays' India and Mr. Khurshid like elements in their society take full advantage of such view points and therefore gather substantial amount of support from Mr. Verma like begot among the masses. Which has ultimately costed us dearly.
It’s the likes of Verma who EXEMPLIFY HOW AND WHY HISTORIANS HAVE invented, diluted and white washed history … so as not to appear NOT to offend … intentionally spoken untruths as a result …
Great salute to Times now and Rahul for having such debate on such topic. Because this debate bring out wonderful crystal clear speech from j Sai Deepak and Vikram Sampat. Congratulations to times now 💐🎂
Everytime you listens to J Sai & Dr. Vikram Sampat.. you come out more Enlightened than before. If only these 2 along with Ranga Anna had the Ministry of Education, India's Growth Story wud run wid the Speed of Bullet Train.
The non- elite of India whom we should consider real elite ( not formally educated ones) must be applauded for keeping our heritage that we are reviving in Modi era.
Sai Deepak, Vikram Sampath Kudos to you for presenting the facts as facts. You both are awesome! You are representing the real Bharat. Thank you so much for becoming the voice of patriotic Indians.
people like Pawan Varma still want to live in delusion...he failed to convince on points raised by Sai Deepak .... and khurshid was almost to shout alla o Akbar ... hats off to new hindus class like of mr sampat n mr saideepak
It's just awesome to hear J Sai Deepak. He is fearless ,blunt and straight forward. I watched this summit just to hear him and what a way he thrashed Salman khurshid's pro left - pro islamic view. One can see the helplessness in Salman Khurshid 's voice . Salman Khurshid you were messing with the wrong guy. I want to see him in confrontation with reporters like Ravish Kumar. That battle will be epic.
Varma should explain why and from where he drew the necessity of citing the statement "kisi ka bap ka nahi Hindustan ". He malined the whole santity of such a beautiful discussion.Hindustan tho sab ka hai agar o batchke rahega tho.
My native is nearby Colachel.. Every malayali when I told them about my native place pointed me out the Colachel war with the Dutch. Don't tell blatant lies. Colachel war is very famous among tamils and keralites. Aurangzeb is known by every person because it is such a controversial topic it is discussed by all people
@@mohamedirfan2090 Yes you said the truth every Malayalees in Kolachhal knows that. Great 👍 but the question is why that information is not in our History books and taught to all Indians that the Kings army could foil the attempt by the Dutch to conquer that part of India? Anyways thank you that you and everyone around Kolachhal knows that.👍
@@mohamedirfan2090Can you show me where in the NCERT text book the war is covered? Perhaps it was covered in your superior madrasa syllabus? Also after reading a whole chapter of no less than 5-6 pages on Aurangazeb - and about how “He made the Mughals great again” - he was literally my hero in 8th grade! So I suggest you stop speaking blatant lies!
Sai Deepak and Vikram are true gems of India. Their understanding and knowledge of the subject and the calmness with which they articulate their views so well with facts speak volumes of the conviction and wisdom of these young minds.
Might Makes Right and that is the Ugly Truth I live in the US and was told by a Christian that I would be burning in hell! Why? What was my crime? My religion! I was an unbeliever! And that's it! That's all this "God" cares about! Not me, not who I am as a person, what i did in my life - nothing! All that matters is religion! The same fate that Jews faced in Nazi Germany - here again, who they were did not matter - young or old, male or female - all that mattered was that they were Jews and that got them dumped into gas chambers! And Christians and Muslims believe that we get the same fate! Billions of us Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and Jews as well - will be set apart - entire families, women, children, even babies - and are to be dumped into gas chambers in hell! and they PROMOTE such HATE IDEAS OPENLY! . "Heaven only if you are with Jesus or Allah" They push conversions using a cheap promise of an eternal life of ease & comfort but of course only if you join their religion A "God" who acts like Putin, any old Dictator "Believe in me, Support me & be rewarded or else!" Their God is Putin! And these are the top religions of the day! So much for all out big talk of morals & values! We Hindus are still slaves - still 2nd class - we still remain silent over these hate ideas being openly promoted in the name of freedom of religion . I have tried to get my views published here in the US but no one will publish my letter The western media is Abrahamic and won't let such views find daylight I am looking for an Indian Publication that will publish these views Anyone know of any publications?
I am listing out some of the best Indic thinkers and wise minds of modern India. The younger generation should read and listen to learn about the dark side of our history and identify our civilizational roots. 1. Sai Deepak J 2. Dr. Vikram Sampath 3. Harsh Gupta Madhusudan 4. Sanjeev Sanyal 5. Professor Makarand Paranjape 6. Dr. Anand Ranganathan 7. Prof. Meenakshi Jain
You can also add Abhijit Chavda to the list, been following him for the last 1 year and he opened my eyes for so many things. He forces you to analyse deep , especially geopolitics.
Christians of India don't get offended when British-peoples are criticised for invasion of India *but* Why do other communities get offended when talked about medieval invasion of India with facts !?!?!?!!!!!!!!
That Salman Khurshid, despite being grandson of Dr. Zakir Hussain, third president of India, speaks like this points to the fact that Education and Prosperity are not the solution to the ills of political islam. Appeasement of second largest majority has to stop -You can't be over 30 Crore and still enjoy minority status. The onerous burden of 'secularism' is for only one community to bear.
I love the point of Sai Deepak on Hindu not always voting for Hindu and redirecting by suggesting a question 'but what about the other community?' People always try to suppress the truth fearing the violence that might arise. I love the two point Sai Deepak said about stating the Truth+Peacefully. Fan from Sikkim🙏
Plurality of Indic faiths that is being professed by Mr Pavan Varma is what is likely to be the reason for demise of Indic faiths. There have to be times when Indic faiths have to act to ensure the Indic faiths survive.
One counter point to Pavan Verma when he said Hinduism must remain unique (in not being aggresive and taking revenge) even if ______. Well this is like saying I can't be like you and fight you, so it's better I continue suffering like I have been in the past and ultimately die. Bcoz it's better to be unique than to survive copying your flourishing technique.
@Aman Jha exactly but still we need to evolve not only our fighting techniques but also war related morals. I accept Hindus have fought back but we lost most part of the history and couldn't save Bharat from disintegration
The closing notes of Sai J Deepak and Vikram Sampath were so full of reality, we all have come across those realities. Vasudeva Kutumbam cannot be just a one sided. Also the I loved the line made by Varma "The history cannot be objective" . But the person can only be objective if the other party also desires to be the same.
@@mdsahadathossen6160 your taj mahal ? If the Timurids were so talented how come central Asia where they come from is devoid of any such monuments. Even Samarkand was built by artisans & craftsmen Timur took as slaves from India Iran & Turkey .
@@mdsahadathossen6160 Your Taj Mahal? Why don't you take it with you? Materials, skills, money...all belonged to this land and people. Mughals didn't bring their own women. They married/raped the locals and burdened us with their children.
@@neomn1350 Legend APJ use to read Bhagwad Gita, after his demise the things which were recovered from his room was Bhagvad Gita and Upanishads Secondly, when Zakir Naik use to say in front of 40-50k people that you should kill Kaafirs no one boycotted him
Sai Deepak is a beacon of light amongst Hindus. Now it’s upto us Hindus to make the decision whether we want to exist as Hindus or be consumed by abrahamic beliefs and religions. Sanatan must exist to ensure humanity on planet earth.
We need another Bhakti Movement to review Hindutva. We need another Shankaracharya to bring back the Sanatana Dharma to the forefront of the national discourse and our way of life. The distortion of history has to be essentially corrected and balanced.
Indians need to hear more from the likes of Varma who is well versed in the essence of the beautiful aspects of the Indic culture, understands the importance of people knowing about them but at the same time embrace people from all religions including Islam. Our nation can progress only by taking along people from all religions and not just the ones who still identify with our age old culture. But the good aspects of the age old culture should influence our policies and be a guiding light to other nations with such rich heritage. The point brought out by Vikram Sampat in the end - that some Muslims still owe their allegiance to the religion more than accepting and peaceful coexistence with the rest of the country - is valid and this requires Islamic scholars to bravely come out and talk about it so the subjects are disillusioned. Thanks to Times Now for this nicely organized debate.
When he opened his mouth that history is subjective there you know he is a classic post modernist. You really can't argue anything with them since broadly history in itself is subjective why even start talking about history. And remember Hindus didn't demand a separate land they did and when after they for one they still blame Hindus in India for their sufferings.
They were free to move to separate country which they got as per their demand it's their fault they didn't leave at that time and now they are a noose around our necks. As you said we should walk toge in unity for progess but why these things are always demanded from hindus Muslims follow brotherhood logic but only to fellow muslims as per instructions in quran,so why hindus should keep appeasing them they got Pakistan they should have moved there for islamic values and other bullshit what they believe if they want to coexist in India then stop dreaming about making desert cult culture ( or as I must say lack of it)as this land's culture sorry but this won't and will never happen
Spot on:One talks about Inclusion and acceptance and other my way or highway- Dr Sampath I think the day all faiths of the Bharat come together and discuss history purely on basis of facts, we will definitely be on the path of better future building.
Absolutely Agree With Deepakji and Vikramji Indian intellectuals like Raja ram Rao,Gandhi,Nehru ....tech where British stooges who had their own biases History needs to be written and told as it is Jai Hind Jai Bharat 🙏
It's really sad that we had to study them in our syllabus and adore these desh drohies as real patriots and freedom fighters where as they were the most venomous snakes in reality. Our next generation must learn the real truth and real history and rebuild our nation strong on the foundation of truth and Indic values.
Khurshid rejected everything said by JSD and told" we , indians must live in peace by accomidating each other. " Pavan Varma said " Vasudaiva kutumbakam, Ekam sat vipra bahudha Vadanti.. etc" and contradicted himself with "kisi ka baap ka hindustan thodi nahi(Rahath Indori Shayari) ". Kudos to JSD and Vikram for bringing out two toungued theories from so called "peace keepers".
Prof. Verma is a Dhimmi/ Zimmi. When he has to give examples of inclusiveness he points to Hindus. Does Quran says 'Vasudhaiv Kutumbakum' . Does it say all men are equal? We all know what it says!
A superb deep and insightful discussion. So pleasant to see everyone behaving very courteous and that there were no shouting matches. Times Now - you selected an excellent topic. Very timely and important.
Even a historian can be a super hero. Vikram Sampat definitely is one.
Historian and lawyers can be super heroes of young india. Politicians and diplomats Could be dumbos
@@subhagashanbhag6878 but Politicians and diplomats make the policies and affect on ppl life .. why should hate these guys.. they are good ..they do their own part.. everyone has space ..
@@subhagashanbhag6878 , not just dumbos, BARBARIC CRIMINALS !
@@subhagashanbhag6878 Acc to u S Jaishankar sir is ....?🤔(edit-u)
@vilas patel- very well said 👏🙏 It’s time India’s true past is socialized all over the world.
Contribution of Vikram Sampath to this nation is unforgettable. His contribution to history and indigenous people is even bigger. Nation couldn't pay him throughout generations...
Sai Deepak is so crystal clear on each point, as always, brilliant!!
Courage/integrity provide great powers. He’s a glaring example.
Kudos to Sai Deepak for puting the points bluntly. Also my well wishes to Sampath Ji.
However I don't agree with Sai Deepak's solution of using softer tone for presenting facts keeping Law and Order in mind. I believe until the facts are not propagated widely and the Truth is not celebrated aggresively, you cannot win this information war.
I know you want to limit yourselves under the limit of the Indian Constitution inspired by the current Global Order and the Internation Human Rights pledge of the United Nations. But remember the establishment of the Daharma is supreme than the establishment of the Constitution. I believe no social science debate for Truth and Reconciliation in India will be complete without doing debates on religions too. Even an iota of your disbalanced Tolerance (let alone one way tolerance and universal acceptance) is injustice to the Dharma. The Dharma demands dealing with Mutual Respect to minimize the overall harm of humnaity.
Remember it was always "satya-mev" Jayate not "shanti-mev" jayate. You can compromise on Peace but not on the Truth.
And finally one counter point to Pavan Verma when he said Hinduism must remain unique (in not being aggresive and taking revenge) even if ______. Well this is like saying I can't be like you and fight you, so it's better I continue suffering like I have been in the past and ultimately die. Bcoz it's better to be unique than to survive copying your flourishing technique.
@@RojaJaneman Courage, integrity & HONESTY are great powers indeed!! Jai Sai Deepak embodies them as must at least a million more Indians!!
Sai Deepak ✨✨✨✨. I was one of that person who believed in ganga jamuni tehezeeb idea of existence. Being a student who was interested in history and civics i continued reading history books even after changing of field. I used to ignore the facts that made me uncomfortable. But something changed in my thoughts when ram Janam Bhoomi case decision came out . Though i wasn't in support of breaking down the mosque like that, but what really got into me was , i didn't saw many muslim who came out and said " what happened was wrong and we have are not babar's progeny, or accept his idea " . Never saw many muslim came out and said anything about gyanvyapi mosque which is a like visual evidence of brutality and all of so called intellectual people are still asking the Hindu to be "inclusive" for real??? Even there are many muslim who proudly boasts the loot of somnath, brutality of aurangzeb is celebrated when he is treated as idol for the community. Why even partition happened???, The election really showed the patriotic feelings of minority, and Kashmir is the leaving example of the mindset that divided our country.
You were right until you got to partition - do you really want another 300 million Muslims in a united India? Do you know what they will do with all those extra votes? They will turn India into an Islamic state - abuse us no end!
Our young girls will be abducted, sold off to old Muslim men, converted & dumped into brothels!
Hindus will have to take permission from Muslims to open Temples!
Malaysia razed centuries old Hindu temples! that will happen in India!
Blasphemy laws will be used to abuse and kill Hindus and push conversions!
You mean "Living" example,right?? 🙄
Not trying to be grammar nazi js found it bit odd 😅
Exactly
Forget the past history, I have a significant perpetual conflict on brutal genocide and forcefully eviction of Kashmiri Pandit from Kashmir valley that what is the role of secular and humanitarian Kashmiri Muslim to safeguard innocent Hindu Pandit. How many protest and candle marches had been organized by the Kashmiri Muslim against this barbaric genocide.
Good enough for a liberal to look around
Sai Deepak ji is undefeatable in any Indian past history. He is master in all debates. No one can stand in front of him
That’s y strong headed and argumentative kids should b nurtured and channeled. But desis shut kids down and snuff out their powers.
Thats why no DMK leader or a professor in History of TN participate in a seminar attended by Dr.Vikram Sampath or Dr.Ananda Ranganathan or J.Saideepak
@@ashoks5317 jai Shankar rn Ravi sarwapalli Radha krisnan is a Thief and they are boot licker of North India
IF Hindu society was a bit more powerful & awake, perhaps, it would shoulder the life long needs of people like Dr. J.Sai Deepak, Vikram Sampath or Dr.Ananda Ranganathan; so that they can spend more time on nation & civilization rejuvenation!!
he never talks to a neutral person who is not a opponent politician and someone who is an intellectual. all loaded debates.
I hope that one day all us Hindus will be as educated and well read on our history and its nuances as J Sai Deepak ji and Vikram Sampath ji. Let us all do our part today so if not us then our coming generations can get to this point 👏🏼
Maa Sarasvati has graced J Sai Deepak's tongue. How beautifully he speaks!
Unequivocally.
Sai is blessed with maa sharada all others are nothing
Convent missionary school definitely graced his tongue
@@lol8q But not his Mind 😂, Atleast He took only Good thing from Convent school which is Spoken English 😂
@@everythingforfun7104 he is not from convent...he mentioned he went to state school in one video.
Don't know how but this debates are making me mature 🙂
Because of Enlightenment that we get because we were always fed wrong history in schoold.
Sai Deepak and Dr Vikram the gem of India
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Kudos to Vikram & Sai Deepak. We need more of this kind of conversations. Jai Hind! 🙏🇮🇳
Thanks Times Now for bringing Salman Khurshid and J Dai Deepak together.
Direct engagement is important to destroy Islamo-leftist anti-India gang.
Namasthê. Brilliantly stated. Pranâms.
BLA
It has little impact as Islamists do not debate with logic and leftists knowingly distort facts to win debate
He doesnt dare to create controvercy in ubiquitous complacency in discussion mandate
yes brilliant
Well we south inidan and east Indian are think that hindi Patti Congress bjp cpm are same why don't you rewrite the history of Bengal and pal Sen Ganga riday empire
No Hindu worth his salt will agree with Pavan Varma.
J Sai Deepak rocks as usual! I love the way he shreds both Pavankumar's and Salman's views!
Agreed, Pavan Verma is one of those people who always muddle up the discussion with wishy washy statements and specious, non-committal stands on multiple sides of the situation.
SAI Deepak is racist.
@@rakhimukerji7937 and you are ?? Typical Bong leftist
@@rakhimukerji7937 Against which race is he talking about?
@@rakhimukerji7937 really which race he talks ill ?
I cried after listening to J SAI DEEPAK . This is high quality and credible discussion which every BHARATIYA should listen to and understand .. This is nation building activity ..
I suggest (Secrets of sanatan dharma) book by Author Sai Prasad panda is a must reàd book for all indian
Agreed
How many Lajjit day PATHANS? Shak?hun?British? WE NEVER LOOK IN TO INNATE WEAKNESS OF HINDU SOCIETY WHERE CASTE AND CREED PLAYED ALARGE PART TO ALLOW THESE INVASION AND CONVERSION IN THE FIRST PLACE.We talk about SriRam and Arjuna but never aboit Shambuka and Eklabya
@@karishmatiwari2923 I read that Book. . . . .
@@rakhimukerji7937 we talk about sambhuk and ekalavya. You shouldn't bunk from class
Came here to listen to sai deepak ( he was like a sharp shooter ) and vikram sampath ( who was very logical and articulate ) as always. Had lots of fun listening to both of them
One can never have enough of Sai and Vikram. Worship worthy minds 🙏🏽
"Avastha poojyathe Rama shareeram na tu poojyathe "
Jai Sai Deepak is a legend & a brilliant realist! He has sharp knowledge of history, the civilization issue & has solutions to start addressing the same. Vikram is a brilliant historian!!
Varma is like too many Hindus colonized/conquered, ill-informed & contused while Khurshid is an Islamist for all practical purposes!!
People like Varma create confusion, muddle things up & are practically useless in seeing the extent of the problem or finding solutions!! Meanwhile, Khurshid & his ideology are the problem!!
I would have liked that anti national kanhaiyya Kumar from congress, he would have been ripped apart and his fandoms crushed
Why do Indians worship everything and everyone?
@@fredikoli5314 Because there is nothing other than me and i am divine.
This conversation should reach out to everyone of India..
Sai deepak 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 just amazin... You are the hope of india and truth 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@The Videos "'7,0
Dr. Vikram Sampath is actually the greatest gift of this era and we will only know the true depths of his work in a few decades
Kooti Koti pranam to Sai deepak and Vikram Sampat!
The new generation of Indian Rishis of this modern yug!
We need more of these kind of divine souls desperately!
"Let good thoughts flow from from all directions & humanity is one family" is greatness of Sanatana Dharma, the essence of Mother India! Profound wisdom of Sai Deepak ji & all panelists. The truth needs be faced. Failure to learn real history is ignorance.
Sai and Vikram were like Atom Bombs💥💥💥💥
Khurshid and Varma will never attend any session now onwards involving sai Deepak 😂😂😂
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😂😂😂😂😂😂..... Definitely.
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Both Sai and Vikram Sampath are gems of Bharat. Love the way they handle pseudo intellectuals. More power to you guys.
And Dr. Anand Rangathan
*bravehearts of bharat
Marvellous presentation by Mr. Sideepak, about the "mindset "of the Nehruvian philosophy of Indian history.
Sai & Vikram= fact+ logic
Varma & khurshid= Flowery english + bol bachchan
Namasthê. Yes, well synthesized. Pranâms.
Superb!!!!
Haha true .
Arts graduate vampanthi line of though mixed with colonisation .
Khurshid = Jihadi and Varma a Dhimmi!!!
Varma and Kurshid were contradicting themselves in this debate.
One can confidently entrust the task of re-writing history textbooks for each class to Sai Deepak and Dr. Vikram Sampath. They will do an absolutely fair job to both wings i.e. Left and Right.
+ Dr Meenakshi Jain
The arguments put forth by Dr Vikram Sampath and Sai Deepak were brilliant and we are proud of them. Jai Hind 🇮🇳
Vikram Sampath & Sai Deepak along with Anand Ranganathan & Swapan Dasgupta are the ROCKSTARs
Deepak sai....kill opposition in a way they want 😁
His clarity .....just nailed it
Jai Hind 🚩
Watching because of SaiDeepak and Vikram Sampath . Two great human beings of our era .
So unfair, JSD and VS on the same Dias 😀 This is not even a debate ! They destroyed and decimated the whole thing
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Hahahaha 💥💥💥💥
Agree
Imagine in Ranganathan sir too was here
@@somdevghosh86 His 30 seconds would have sealed it all.😄
Vikram Sampath is a kannadiga wow. Two legends from south are just destroying the hopeless narratives of the left here
Fully agree with Deepak. Pawan Verma has over simplified the choice of Muslims to remain in India after 1947. It was not choice. It was their cunningness. 50 yrs on and India will face another partition.
Bhagwaan help you .. 😂
It's was not choice it was their helplessness. They realised they are not sons and daughters of Turks, Mughals. They don't have money and capital They are poor peoples like other. So they don't have other options and stayed. Those have capital and money migrated to Pakistan and some past hangover minded rich muslims stayed here to get position and they brag ( we choose to stay in India).
True brother.
I don't think there will be another partition. Now many are aware of their evil plans of ghazwa e hind and establishing caliphate which was not the case in the past.
@@monotonous1763fu pig follower
Adv. Sai Deepak and Dr. Sampath are wonderful personalities. Eye openers. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 God bless you gentlemen.
Khurshid and Verma are suggesting that Hindus should tolerate all the Barbarism and Intolerance of The other side because Hindus are tolerant.
They expect them to set themselves on fire so others can feel warm. And Hs comply. Y?? They also throw their kids into the fire. How sick is that?? Their stance can b understood. What’s our excuse??
You nailed it, this is exactly what appeasement means!
Yes , this reminds us of Sanjaya Rayabara in Mahabharata where Sanjaya ( Dhritharashtra's emissary) advised Pandavas to bear with the atrocities of Kauravas and also made a veiled threat not to dare to go for a War. In their core they are religious fundamentalists and though they are posing a great threat to our faith and values and unleashing terror, he says we should be tolerant. Hypocritical!
@@ramayya1954 We are not a faith but seekers and defenders of truth & justice or Dharma!! Religion is a relatively minor part. This distinguishes us from organized political/supremacist ideologies gift packed as religions: Islam & Christianity!! Their objectives are seen clearly in history of India & across the world!!
We have already paid a heavy price. Should we pay more because a colonized mind and a colonizers spokesman says so? What Is Khurshid's integrity that he should be heard?
Shri Vikram and Shri Sai Deepak Ji both are great as usual. Great eye-opener for many. 👏👏. I would not have been seeing these news channels except for these kinds of luminaries.
Follow Sai Deepak and vikram sampath for inspiration and the responsibility lies with us, they have given us the lead we need to implement those ideas practically.
Sampath is talking about improvement of thought and positive growth. Salman is talking about continuing what we have been doing and still hoping to make it work. It has probably worked for him, that's why.
Somehow I found both Mr Verma and Mr Khursheed sulking at the end of the debate 😂
...its because , in fact a lie can not become a truth if told several times or defended several times, so at the end they have to sulk before the truth
Good for us! Let them be cornered for their lies.. not acceptable anymore
😂 so true… they lost their script in the beginning itself. Both Sai Deepak and Vikram Sampath washed and rinsed their ideas bare..😂
Which they should these old bast**ds made us Lean history which is utter nonsense
Salman Khurshid is the odd one out in this panel of intellectuals.
"Let there be no compromise on the facts" this sentence says it all.
I'm an UPSC aspirant aiming for foreign service
I'm surprised at most of what pavan varma said. He's a product of nehruvian marxist school which most selected candidates were then(even now). But the system's inability to change him even after 3 decades of working for the nation in Services says that something is rotten. It has to be foreign policy of Congress behind this which never forced them to think & see the other side as both are aligned for destruction of bharath
i am also a upsc aspirant , i am happy to see that , you didn't get white washed by history taught to us(even in upsc) , and have the critical thinking ability of what is right and what is wrong , kudos to you bro , we need enlightened individuals , rat rata ke to duniaya chal hi rhi hai
@@shubhamtiwari3009 ya me too 2023 upsc aspirant n I am tired of reading these Marxist history and ghanghor leftist The Hindu. But apna time ayega
@@shubhamtiwari3009 You have to work hard to set your filter first. You only can develop that skill on your own where you can discern what is a BS & what's not. I give half the credit to my family which inculcated values through our stories & made us sit for ramayan & mahabharath before TV during our childhood. People without any capability think for themselves wander around in thin air. The leftist ideology engulfs them instantly to fill up the vacuum. So I was surprised at what is being taught only after coming here for the prep & could see that instantly.
Actually what fact/thought of Mr Varma to you don't subscribe? Nehruvian Marxist view as u said .
Whatever he said(mahavakya) is exactly from upnishad which is gems of philosophy of Hindus.
Pawan Varma,must wake up to global realities and national priorities.
One of the best sessions - could relate to every speaker. Great to see alignment at the end too. Very well organised session.
Imagine Pavan Verma was an IFS officer. How painted our policies and actions must have been.
The fact is Indias bureaucrats are the biggest problem in India to imply any good scheme on ground level. The amount of corruption happened in the system because of this sarkari babus are the worst part in India after politician.
Even BJP with the great mejority couldn't make much of a diffrance.
People like Mr. Verma who attempt to emulate the elite accent in English are the root cause of all these miseries in todays' India and Mr. Khurshid like elements in their society take full advantage of such view points and therefore gather substantial amount of support from Mr. Verma like begot among the masses. Which has ultimately costed us dearly.
@@globalcitizen6340 "...the elite accent"???
Of the things that Verma said here, what is it that you disagree with?
Please be specific.
Is it true that majority of babus come from arts and humanities background? Does any one have any statistics on this?
It’s the likes of Verma who EXEMPLIFY HOW AND WHY HISTORIANS HAVE invented, diluted and white washed history … so as not to appear NOT to offend … intentionally spoken untruths as a result …
Great salute to Times now and Rahul for having such debate on such topic. Because this debate bring out wonderful crystal clear speech from j Sai Deepak and Vikram Sampat. Congratulations to times now 💐🎂
Everytime you listens to J Sai & Dr. Vikram Sampat.. you come out more Enlightened than before.
If only these 2 along with Ranga Anna had the Ministry of Education, India's Growth Story wud run wid the Speed of Bullet Train.
The non- elite of India whom we should consider real elite ( not formally educated ones) must be applauded for keeping our heritage that we are reviving in Modi era.
In the concluding remarks Sai deepak and Dr Sampath nailed it... It was 💥💥 in last 2 minutes
Sai Deepak, Vikram Sampath
Kudos to you for presenting the facts as facts.
You both are awesome!
You are representing the real Bharat.
Thank you so much for becoming the voice of patriotic Indians.
Sai Deepak the real role model for our generations to come
Mr. Sai Deepak is just amazing and his articulations are filled with intellectual thoughts…brilliant guy…I never miss his debates…thanks Times Now….
people like Pawan Varma still want to live in delusion...he failed to convince on points raised by Sai Deepak ....
and khurshid was almost to shout alla o Akbar ...
hats off to new hindus class like of mr sampat n mr saideepak
It's just awesome to hear J Sai Deepak. He is fearless ,blunt and straight forward. I watched this summit just to hear him and what a way he thrashed Salman khurshid's pro left - pro islamic view. One can see the helplessness in Salman Khurshid 's voice . Salman Khurshid you were messing with the wrong guy. I want to see him in confrontation with reporters like Ravish Kumar. That battle will be epic.
Sai Deepak and Vikram Sampath’s intellect comes shining thru during the discussions !
Varma should explain why and from where he drew the necessity of citing the statement "kisi ka bap ka nahi Hindustan ". He malined the whole santity of such a beautiful discussion.Hindustan tho sab ka hai agar o batchke rahega tho.
The Kolachhal war and Marthanda Varma defeating the Dutch is not even known in Kerala. But Aurangazeb and his heroism is well taught and known by all.
Agree, we need to change that. Educate as many people as we can.
My native is nearby Colachel.. Every malayali when I told them about my native place pointed me out the Colachel war with the Dutch. Don't tell blatant lies. Colachel war is very famous among tamils and keralites. Aurangzeb is known by every person because it is such a controversial topic it is discussed by all people
For whom he fought? Natives?
@@mohamedirfan2090 Yes you said the truth every Malayalees in Kolachhal knows that. Great 👍 but the question is why that information is not in our History books and taught to all Indians that the Kings army could foil the attempt by the Dutch to conquer that part of India? Anyways thank you that you and everyone around Kolachhal knows that.👍
@@mohamedirfan2090Can you show me where in the NCERT text book the war is covered? Perhaps it was covered in your superior madrasa syllabus?
Also after reading a whole chapter of no less than 5-6 pages on Aurangazeb - and about how “He made the Mughals great again” - he was literally my hero in 8th grade! So I suggest you stop speaking blatant lies!
J Sai Deepak's pieces are logical, factual and to the point. 🙏 I'd love to take him as a Guru to learn so much from.
Sai Deepak and Vikram are true gems of India. Their understanding and knowledge of the subject and the calmness with which they articulate their views so well with facts speak volumes of the conviction and wisdom of these young minds.
Might Makes Right and that is the Ugly Truth
I live in the US and was told by a Christian that I would be burning in hell! Why? What was my crime?
My religion! I was an unbeliever! And that's it! That's all this "God" cares about!
Not me, not who I am as a person, what i did in my life - nothing! All that matters is religion!
The same fate that Jews faced in Nazi Germany - here again, who they were did not matter - young or old, male or female - all that mattered was that they were Jews and that got them dumped into gas chambers!
And Christians and Muslims believe that we get the same fate!
Billions of us Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and Jews as well - will be set apart - entire families, women, children, even babies - and are to be dumped into gas chambers in hell!
and they PROMOTE such HATE IDEAS OPENLY!
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"Heaven only if you are with Jesus or Allah"
They push conversions using a cheap promise of an eternal life of ease & comfort but of course only if you join their religion
A "God" who acts like Putin, any old Dictator
"Believe in me, Support me & be rewarded or else!"
Their God is Putin!
And these are the top religions of the day!
So much for all out big talk of morals & values!
We Hindus are still slaves - still 2nd class - we still remain silent over these hate ideas being openly promoted in the name of freedom of religion
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I have tried to get my views published here in the US but no one will publish my letter
The western media is Abrahamic and won't let such views find daylight
I am looking for an Indian Publication that will publish these views
Anyone know of any publications?
Sai deepak, ur language and style, and ur clarity is way above a senior person in this panel. Very proud. God bless u
Excellent seach by Sai Deepik and Vikram Sampath,hats off
Wow wow wow Sai Deepak! You are a rockstar! We have to learn from history and not be bitter....
Dr Vikram sampat 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Such a great scholar, thanks for sharing your views with us....
Dr verma is far from reality and making Al takaya..
Hats off to all for bringing out the Truth 🙏🙏🙏
Sai Deepak on partition he has put beautifully wow it's true and it is happening
Glad to see young Hindus coming up in open to talk about the mistakes of ours in the past..
Vikram n Sai are so direct n clear too
"To choose to observe a strategic silence in the interest of peace is very different from actively indulging in denial of history".
Gold.
I suggest (Secrets of sanatan dharma) book by Author Sai Prasad panda is a must reàd book for all indian
Sai Deepak.. a very powerful speaker. More such people need to stand with him.
I am listing out some of the best Indic thinkers and wise minds of modern India. The younger generation should read and listen to learn about the dark side of our history and identify our civilizational roots.
1. Sai Deepak J
2. Dr. Vikram Sampath
3. Harsh Gupta Madhusudan
4. Sanjeev Sanyal
5. Professor Makarand Paranjape
6. Dr. Anand Ranganathan
7. Prof. Meenakshi Jain
Same brother same. I am doing the same thing.
You can also add Abhijit Chavda to the list, been following him for the last 1 year and he opened my eyes for so many things. He forces you to analyse deep , especially geopolitics.
J said Deepak, vikram are fabulous ,we understand now what happened with our ancestors and eye opener work,very thank ful every indian
I need the clarity what Sai deepak has on his thoughts 😢. This guy is gem of a person and the last lines of vikram sampat was bang on.
Just read a lot and discuss. You will be more articulate
JSD ABSOLUTELY pummelled Khurshid. K was the deer in the headlights 😎
sai & sampat both r gems
Christians of India don't get offended when British-peoples are criticised for invasion of India *but* Why do other communities get offended when talked about medieval invasion of India with facts !?!?!?!!!!!!!!
Because they are still in medieval time .
Here we had Nehru, who himself wrote the "history" as told by the British.
My two most fav people were on the panel: Vikram Sampant and J Sai Deepak! ❤ I miss Rajivji; he is a great scholar as well!
That Salman Khurshid, despite being grandson of Dr. Zakir Hussain, third president of India,
speaks like this points to the fact that
Education and Prosperity are not the solution to the ills of political islam.
Appeasement of second largest majority has to stop -You can't be over 30 Crore and still enjoy minority status.
The onerous burden of 'secularism' is for only one community to bear.
That's why India is great. Where population equal to Europe calls itself minority and cribs at the drop of a hat.
They are 20 crore, don't inflate their numbers
I love the point of Sai Deepak on Hindu not always voting for Hindu and redirecting by suggesting a question 'but what about the other community?'
People always try to suppress the truth fearing the violence that might arise.
I love the two point Sai Deepak said about stating the Truth+Peacefully.
Fan from Sikkim🙏
Sai Deepak is kind of an inspiration for me on how to look at and study the issues, not just telling the opinion
Oh, great J Sai Deepak and wonderful Vikram Sampat, just because both are true, honest and talk facts nothing else. Jai ho.
Sai deepak is the amazing with fact and the knowledge. I always love to hear him
Dhanyawad J Sai Deepak and Sampat Ji.
Plurality of Indic faiths that is being professed by Mr Pavan Varma is what is likely to be the reason for demise of Indic faiths. There have to be times when Indic faiths have to act to ensure the Indic faiths survive.
@Aman Jha Correct
There is no plurality in Abrahamic faiths. So as a result, we to don't need to reciprocate
One counter point to Pavan Verma when he said Hinduism must remain unique (in not being aggresive and taking revenge) even if ______. Well this is like saying I can't be like you and fight you, so it's better I continue suffering like I have been in the past and ultimately die. Bcoz it's better to be unique than to survive copying your flourishing technique.
@Aman Jha exactly but still we need to evolve not only our fighting techniques but also war related morals. I accept Hindus have fought back but we lost most part of the history and couldn't save Bharat from disintegration
@Aman Jha I think you didn't get my point that it was Hindus who were in constant subjugation in last 1000 years.
The closing notes of Sai J Deepak and Vikram Sampath were so full of reality, we all have come across those realities. Vasudeva Kutumbam cannot be just a one sided.
Also the I loved the line made by Varma "The history cannot be objective" . But the person can only be objective if the other party also desires to be the same.
Great debate .... J Sai deepak and Dr Vikram surely nailed it .... Loved it
Feel like listening to JSD and VS again and again .
May be, according to Salman Khurshid, the "tent dwellers" from the Arabia came to India to teach Indians, how to make buildings.
Yeah because you don't have anything except for our tajmahal😂😂😂
@@mdsahadathossen6160 your taj mahal ? If the Timurids were so talented how come central Asia where they come from is devoid of any such monuments.
Even Samarkand was built by artisans & craftsmen Timur took as slaves from India Iran & Turkey .
HIJAB issue Vakil 👆🤔
@@mdsahadathossen6160 Your Taj Mahal? Why don't you take it with you? Materials, skills, money...all belonged to this land and people. Mughals didn't bring their own women. They married/raped the locals and burdened us with their children.
@@mdsahadathossen6160 become secular before you criticize india.....opinion of unsecular people is trash
The way whole structure of khursid face changed when sai deepak started to throw pure facts is something to admire 😂
Khurshid and Verna are still in appeasement
no matter how much education you put in an individual...once a mullah always a mullah
@@neomn1350 Legend APJ use to read Bhagwad Gita, after his demise the things which were recovered from his room was Bhagvad Gita and Upanishads
Secondly, when Zakir Naik use to say in front of 40-50k people that you should kill Kaafirs no one boycotted him
@@sushocahtt agree bro
@@neomn1350 APJ is that rare exception which proves the rule😂😂😂
Varma is a Dhimmi!!!!!
Sai Deepak is a beacon of light amongst Hindus. Now it’s upto us Hindus to make the decision whether we want to exist as Hindus or be consumed by abrahamic beliefs and religions. Sanatan must exist to ensure humanity on planet earth.
We need another Bhakti Movement to review Hindutva. We need another Shankaracharya to bring back the Sanatana Dharma to the forefront of the national discourse and our way of life. The distortion of history has to be essentially corrected and balanced.
Bhakti movement was not initiated by adi Shankaracharya
Indians need to hear more from the likes of Varma who is well versed in the essence of the beautiful aspects of the Indic culture, understands the importance of people knowing about them but at the same time embrace people from all religions including Islam.
Our nation can progress only by taking along people from all religions and not just the ones who still identify with our age old culture. But the good aspects of the age old culture should influence our policies and be a guiding light to other nations with such rich heritage.
The point brought out by Vikram Sampat in the end - that some Muslims still owe their allegiance to the religion more than accepting and peaceful coexistence with the rest of the country - is valid and this requires Islamic scholars to bravely come out and talk about it so the subjects are disillusioned.
Thanks to Times Now for this nicely organized debate.
When he opened his mouth that history is subjective there you know he is a classic post modernist. You really can't argue anything with them since broadly history in itself is subjective why even start talking about history. And remember Hindus didn't demand a separate land they did and when after they for one they still blame Hindus in India for their sufferings.
They were free to move to separate country which they got as per their demand it's their fault they didn't leave at that time and now they are a noose around our necks. As you said we should walk toge in unity for progess but why these things are always demanded from hindus Muslims follow brotherhood logic but only to fellow muslims as per instructions in quran,so why hindus should keep appeasing them they got Pakistan they should have moved there for islamic values and other bullshit what they believe if they want to coexist in India then stop dreaming about making desert cult culture ( or as I must say lack of it)as this land's culture sorry but this won't and will never happen
Spot on:One talks about Inclusion and acceptance and other my way or highway- Dr Sampath
I think the day all faiths of the Bharat come together and discuss history purely on basis of facts, we will definitely be on the path of better future building.
Very good conversation. Every citizens of this country should know this.
Absolutely Agree With Deepakji and Vikramji
Indian intellectuals like Raja ram Rao,Gandhi,Nehru ....tech where British stooges who had their own biases
History needs to be written and told as it is
Jai Hind Jai Bharat 🙏
It's really sad that we had to study them in our syllabus and adore these desh drohies as real patriots and freedom fighters where as they were the most venomous snakes in reality. Our next generation must learn the real truth and real history and rebuild our nation strong on the foundation of truth and Indic values.
2:09 vikram sampath opening monologue
10:43 salman khurshid opening monologue
17:42 J sai deepak opening monologue
Khurshid rejected everything said by JSD and told" we , indians must live in peace by accomidating each other. "
Pavan Varma said " Vasudaiva kutumbakam, Ekam sat vipra bahudha Vadanti.. etc" and contradicted himself with "kisi ka baap ka hindustan thodi nahi(Rahath Indori Shayari) ".
Kudos to JSD and Vikram for bringing out two toungued theories from so called "peace keepers".
J Sai Deepak is too good for them
Prof. Verma is a Dhimmi/ Zimmi. When he has to give examples of inclusiveness he points to Hindus. Does Quran says 'Vasudhaiv Kutumbakum' . Does it say all men are equal? We all know what it says!
I always love Dr Sampath and Sai Deepak's "mis au point"...they are the only research specialists who have come out with truth over Indian history...
Excellent discussion... Worth every minute spent watching it.
A superb deep and insightful discussion. So pleasant to see everyone behaving very courteous and that there were no shouting matches.
Times Now - you selected an excellent topic. Very timely and important.