nice. it reminds me of a slogan i saw on facebook it says like this "Hell empty because the devils are here" this is very true because all the religious people were playing the angel while doing the devil. (sorry for my grammar)
I remember when my father died, a few days later, some relatives called up and demanded to know if he had been "saved." That encounter was what finally pushed me over the edge.
Neil mentions that some of the believers he dealt with during his deconversion would be horrified to realize that they were basically wishing him ill. One of my best friends, upon learning that I had turned away from Christianity, began *actively praying that my wife and I would suffer.* And he told me so directly. The reasoning: he wanted God to make my life so miserable that I would be forced to turn back to God, the supposed author of my misery in the first place, for redemption and delivery from said misery. These people don't even realize how horrible their religion makes them. He sincerely thought this was a good thing to do, and he sincerely thought that once he told me, I should view it as an act of love. Lucky for me, no one was listening to his prayers.
I live in Finland, I have absolutely no fear of telling people I'm an atheist. It is fascinating to hear about experiences of atheists in USA about coming out. And it really seems like an appropriate way to describe it. I'm transgendered and I can honestly say that what the atheists described about their coming out experiment here sounds very familiar in this topic. No one should have any fears of just being who they are in any way.
Many parts of the USA are like this, but certainly not all. These stories are sad, but be advised that they are talking about the extreme examples. Having said that, yes, many people from all over the world are surprised when they learn that parts of the US suffer from this kind of extreme fundamentalist religiosity.
@@TheBox225 Hi.... yea, I can relate to what you're feeling. Fortunately I never grew up in a religiously indoctrinated family, so publicly expressing my non belief in a god (or gods) is not that big a deal to family members but it can be to others. But I can certainly see that doing so with casual relations would be not as easy. Having said that I have gotten feedback from both family and others to the effect..... "gee, did you know that he really doesn't believe in god?".... and "those of us who are believers (dot dot dot)". All I gotta say is hang in there. Reveal your beliefs when you think it has value, but don't make enemies if there is not upside in doing so. ---- cheers.
According to Christians, my soulmate is in hell. Being in heaven away from her for eternity would be hell for me. I’d rather spend eternity in hell with her
A guy I flew with in the AF died in a training accident. He was an atheist, pretended to be christian, and his fundamentalist family knew and were worried for his soul. The funeral at their church turned into the go-to salvation sermon, totally deviating from anything honoring this devoted father and airman. Such a let down for people who went to honor him and support his wife and children.
This funeral story is a good example as to why I do not want to have a funeral in a church. When my mom died the minister, a cousin, preached about how we (the kids) needed to "get right" or we wouldn't be able to make it into heaven to see our mom again. My aunt just died back in November and the minister, also a cousin, was preaching about living a holy lifestyle and how we all needed to get right. He went into the whole conversation about holy lifestyles because my aunt was gay. I don't like that, in order to attempt to convert people, they use inappropriate times like mourning to push an agenda. I have no respect for ministers like that and I have no respect for the religion, although I tolerate it as much as I can. If you have to use emotional blackmail to get someone to believe what you're saying then there's something wrong with the concept.
"...Laugh with the sinners or cry with the saints ... the sinners are much more fun ..." Regardless if it's family or friends, if they reject you for coming out as gay or becoming an atheist and they torment you because of it, LEAVE, plain and simple. No ones needs mental or emotional abuse.
If there is a God that's going to send anyone away to be tortured for all eternity than that being is the ultimate psychopath of all psychopaths and by definition, could not be trusted NO MATTER WHAT we do. Such a being is capable of doing anything, including sending everyone to hell because there's no reason to consider it in any way sane. Therefore, coupled with the complete and total lack of evidence for such a place, there's no point in concerning ourselves about it.
My husband's 16 year old niece died a couple of years ago and the pastor was a fire and brimstone type of guy who forced us all to sit through this speech about how Akera got right with God before her death and how, if we wanted to see her again, we all had to get right with God and accept Jesus. It was a terrible experience for my husband and I who loved Akera dearly and just wanted to mourn her. At the graveside the pastor tried to approach everyone and preach to them. We left before he could get around to us and we did not attend the after ceremony event where we knew the pastor would be.
My Aunt is grade A level insane. Even the other Catholics in my family hate her. She’s the only one in the entire family that gives me, my parents and my siblings shit for being atheist. None of the other religious people in my family care. I remember she started going on a rant at Thanksgiving and told me I was no longer human, because “Humans worship the Lord”. I haven’t seen her in 2 years, and don’t plan on on re-establishing contact. She can rot in her own insanity,
That is the entire problem with Evangelical Christianity. They worship that which by our modern standards could be seen as NOTHING but a monster of the most epic proportions. This being will torture EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE FOR ETERNITY if they do not bow down and worship him. Can there EVER, be ANYTHING, less deserving of even being tolerated, much less worshiped, by the standards of any thinking, reasoning being?
Wow, I feel so sorry for the final caller. Using a close relatives funeral as leverage to promote the "evils" of atheism whilst immediate family is grieving a recent death? My blood is boiling.. that is so incredibly rude and selfish. A deplorable act that is not only cowardly, but passive aggressive. Maintaining a subtle sense of maliciousness to kick down a sect of the family that's already down. So very typical of self-righteous, holier-than-thou, Christians.
lewiss1100 god created me, god loves me, but hates my sin, but in order to be forgiven I need to ask god to forgive me for something he caused. why would I ask for mercy from a creator that only loves me conditionally? that makes no sense, I would rather burn in hell than beg to a being that only wants my devotion and doesn't care about me.
My Blood Relatives (My So Called Family) think that I am going to Hell, but I don’t care because I walk my own path. So, they abandoned me for over 20+ years. My so called family is BANNED from my life for eternity. Screw them. On a positive note, I love the show. Thanks.
That Well to Hell would seem to indicate that He'll is a physical place that we could actually get to in the real world, while still alive. So why don't we get a bunch of that equipment they use to rescue trapped miners, and start pulling people out of there?!
seth, i just want to say a huge THANK YOU for doing what you do. you've inspired me to start being openly secular and stop just avoiding the topic, to the point that i've started sharing your posts and videos on facebook to counteract the ridiculous amount of religious posts i see every day. probably half of my friends are devout christians or at least passively religious, and because you've taught me so much about debating points and how to handle these situations, i'm finally brave enough to share my views. i look forward to your podcasts every week and to all the (beautifully snarky) posts you share on the thinking atheist page. i came out to my parents (fundamental baptists) a year ago, and at first it was a bumpy ride, but now they've just accepted it and still love me. i am so incredibly lucky that they don't threaten me with eternal damnation for not believing and for living with my fiance and all that. i think it's interesting that my older sister married an evangelist and is a devout baptist (on the outside, at least), i'm marrying a man who used to be a satanist and is now an atheist, like myself, and my younger brother is agnostic (although my parents don't know yet). i guess i just got all of my sister's freethinking genes. on the subject of people going to heaven if they've never heard of jesus: in my parents church, they believe that after the rapture, during the 7 years of tribulation, anyone who has never heard of jesus will still be able to be saved if they accept jesus, but that anyone who has heard and rejected will suffer the 7 years and still go to hell in the end. but they also believe that anyone who has never heard the gospel and dies before all that mess happens is destined for hell.
I'd rather be in hell with other non-believers and rock and roll, than in heaven with paedophiles, rapists and murderers who believed in Jesus and were forgiven by him.
When I was in Catholic school they taught us that only Catholics go to heaven. I was only in second grade and I thought to myself that just can't be true. I started to question what they were teaching but of course I knew not to ask any questions. That's the problem with religion.They also told us girls we would be nuns when we grow up, I was thinking there is no way I am going to be a nun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw the _CBS Sunday Morning_ segment you mentioned, and I was really glad of it. Two weeks earlier, _Sunday Morning_ had so doubled down on Easter, leading with two highly religious stories, I did something I rarely do: I turned the program off. As for the recording of hell, I guess I didn't have my gain up high enough, because all that sounded like was a confused and garbled mess!
Lol. I always tell anyone who tells me this "I'm not going to a place that does not exist and there is no such thing as the devil" The looks that I get are classic and the conversation ends with me laughing and no rebuttals.
I get it. I get the strangest silence from friends and acquaintances when I admit that I don't believe in heaven or hell or the devil. They mostly become speechless, which is great.
Indeed. as much as you choose to give your money to a robber pointing a gun at your head, or chose to die. it's like calling that situation choosing between a donation or suicide. and fish didn't turn into people. this is a MASSIVE straw man, and one I'm tired of explaining. If you are going to criticize something, learn it first. no, the fish doesn't turn into humans. each new generation has minor variation. some help in some environments, others don't. imagine a fish living in a marshland. it occasionally dries out, so fishes that can survive inside the mud or breathe air have an advantage, so there are more and more of them, meaning they can migrate to drier parts of the marsh, continue this over several generations, and you will get amphibians and then land animals. and the fish that stayed in the wetter part of the marsh? they will stick to having more water based advantages. did the fish turn into amphibians? no. Did the amphibians evolve from fish? yes. go research the topic if you have objections.I'm done.
Hoops590, you mean people who believe the earth was created in 6 days, Noah and the Ark, Jonah and the whale, a talking snake, someone walking on water, all in the bible?? Not to mention all of the contradictions, discrepancies and absurdities in the bible. Who's the moron?? lol
My late grandmother used to always tell me about how the fire in Hell was 10x hotter than on Earth when I was a child; how she knew that.............I never found out.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts about my family. 'A warm place away from my demon-spawn brother, hypocrite mother, and end-times-obsessed bigoted father? Sign me the fuck up! I hope there's no cell service in hell so that they can't try texting me!'
*Bounces off the walls and ceiling* RR 2016! YES!!!! I so wanted to hit RR back in 2012, but was unable to do so. My situation is much changed though, no way I am missing this one...
I am not American and these videos are very insightful in what the evangelicals are like in the US. Thank goodness I reside in a mostly non religious society.
I recognize Neil Carter's voice. He stood up to ask Cye ten Bruggencake question in the debate (nay--'debate' is the wrong word, rather 'unsubstantiated rant') he had with Matt Dillahunty last year.
Hearing some of the stories here WOWs me. I gave up on religion when I was 10 or 12. My family wasn't super religious. When I was young we went to the Catholic church, Sunday school, the works. I was never an alter boy. If anyone in my family has some problem with my being an atheist they keep it to themselves, as they should.
After hearing the recording of "Hell", it reminds me of the recordings of space and the planets. Just weird noise...noises of nature. Heck, even a cricket's chirp or a bird's song really slowed down is freaky sounding. It's just noise.
The female caller towards the end who was a part of Church of Christ , I can totally relate to her experience with that church and their delusional thinking. I was a part of it as well and left and noe make videos for people who are leaving that controlling church as well as for those whom are journeying out of religion. I have been on my early journey of leaving religion and am leaning towards agnostic right now. Your videos and podcasts really help, I love it thank you!
You can barely imagine that over here in Germany. The worst thing that happened to me related to my atheism is that my parents refused to pay the fee required to make the change official.
Natasha Williamson It's a fee to make it official. You see, there's a thing called "church tax", and everyone registered as a believer has to pay it. The fee required to unregister is 37€. Now, the reason why my parents wouldn't pay was because "it was my choice". However, was it my choice to become registered as a believer?
That seems very intrusive of government.... Fascinating. I'm from Canada and religion only comes up in church or in hushed voices with people that you know well outside of church.. I came out to my parents and they were basically like "oh that's cool, I understand where you're coming from. How bout that weather?"
The paradox of hell is something that I'm convinced no one truly believes in. Even if a switch was flipped in my mind tomorrow and I became a devout [ insert religion here ], I could never rationalize a heaven and a hell. The knowledge that anyone, even the moat horrific person, would be forced to spend an eternity in pain and terror would end any feelings of not or happiness. Not even taking into consideration that I'd be forced to live with the being that did such evil... The only being that could ever deserve never-ending torment, to my mind, is the one who could create it as punishment.
When I was 10, our class,was going to a one-week long outdoor "camp" education trip. We,were supposed to "buddy-up" so I asked a friend and her Mother told her she couldn't buddy with me because I was going to hell. My parents didn't take us to church. I became a believer as an." adult." Eventually, I circled back and realized it's bullshit. But how MEAN was that, to say that to or about a child? I was devastated! My Mom called her Mom up and chewed her out, but the damage had been done. I am sure part of my conversion at age 26 was a desire just to belong. I ceased being that codependent, and identify as an atheist without concern or apology, now.
I believe in multiple dimensions of both heaven and hell, and that compassion for one another is the key to where you go and how long you stay. No other criteria is required. Just learn to be good to one another.
Oh man I just got to the well to hell part and that shit gave me chills. Despite being brought up a catholic I never really believed much, god was just another being like Santa but even less special as god never gave me presents every year lol. So naturally hell didn't hold much sway either. That shit would be perfect for a movie with hell in it though.
lewiss1100 I think you may be commenting on the wrong video, you may as well be telling me Santa will give me coal this year. By the way people celebrated the winter solstice long before Christianity adopted it themselves, it was actually a pagan holiday, you guys just stole it like all religions steal from each other.
lewiss1100 Im glad some believers actually watch Sets podcasts. He does make a lot of sense, try to listen to what he and his callers have to say, you might learn something you didn't know. Still, good to have you here :)
PluckySmurf It sounds like the Half-Off Saturday Sale at the Retail store I work at. =| Trufax. My job must be located in Hell. Like every other Retail position! IT ALL ADDS UP.
+Igrad Tar The last time I was in a busy mall, I did start to wonder if I had found the first circle of hell. Then black friday came along, and I no longer have any doubt.
During my Catholic youth I heard about hell only once, in a sermon by a visiting Monsignor. He said the Church teaches that it's real, and we like to think that people like Hitler and Stalin are down there. But he added thay we don't know who's there, or if anyone is there at all, and it's not for us to be concerned about.
Listening to this show (I eagerly await every youtube version every week, because from the Netherlands, it's hard to catch you live and honestly, the audio is way better anyway), I just keep thinking about this thing my mother said to me and my sister, after just leaving church for a babtism in the family. She just bluntly stated she really wanted to see us in heaven and hoped we would believe. Which is ironic, because in all our years growing up SHE was the one teaching us about different religions, because her religion was forced on her by her parents. Now that she's re-married to a man that is also very religious, she has gotten back into it as well and as it seems, now believes my sister and I are doomed. Well thanks mom! I'm glad to know you think that, no matter how we behave, we simply won't go to heaven, because we don't believe in god. This was several years ago, but it still bothers me. We were just so dumbfounded at her statement at that moment we didn't have anything to say back to her, butreally, what kind of thing is that to say, especially 5 minutes after leaving church? How tolerant is this loving god? (And why does church have to be so flipping boring and have shoddy benches that hurt your back?) Anyway, I would love to hear some perspectives from others on this. Thanks! Mike.
I think it's interesting that they bring up the ill wishing. I got some of that, "You'll believe when something happens and you need God." Well I can say I won't. I've come out as an atheist this last year. Eight months after I began to tell my family, my grandmother passed, and I didn't once think, she's in heaven, God protect her soul. I'm sure, at least looking at my family, that I took it better because of my acceptance that there is no heaven. I can say for sure that I took it better than my eldest sister, who is a reborn christian. There's just something peaceful about knowing that a person I love, who struggled with illness her last couple years is at peace. She's just gone and I don't have to worry if she's in heaven or hell.
haha yep, you talk about hell and you are going to get a lot of catholics. I was raised catholic, then went agnostic for years, tried again to believe, ended up an atheist. it happened when i came out as lesbian and read the bible to see what it said about people like me. i got a couple of pages in and thought wtf is this shit? i cant believe i let that book keep me in the closet for so many years.
Godless Lesbian You were Catholic and you read the Bible??? OMG!! It's a sin to read the Bible if you're Catholic! You can go to hell for that. You're supposed to let the priest read it for you. Only Baptists, Presbyterians, and other heathens are supposed to read the Bible. Reading the Bible or being a Baptist is worse than being a lesbian!. (Almost not joking. When my dad was a kid, Catholics were strongly urged to not read the Bible and let the priest do it for them. I guess you figured out why. )
You will not find truth in a Catholic religion, Jesus said I am the truth. So before you give up altogether diligently seek. Jesus said Seek and you shall find. Don't become a reprobate there is still time. Today if you would hear His voice harden not your heart. Many don't want to accept truth because they don't want to give up the way they are living now but the end of it is death. Jesus came that you may have eternal life.
+Godless Lesbian Same here! I'm a lesbian who was raised a Catholic and I'm now an Atheist. I wish I could get my name wiped off any and all church records. I don't want anything to do with that hypocritical, exclusivist, old-boys' club. I'm also pissed that it robbed me of so much of my time.
prosperomage I'm not sure any of those other groups spend a lot of time on it themselves. It seems to be more "cherry pick the verses that fit whatevber they personally believe and ignore the rest. As I'm listening to this podcast, I'm also on Facebook watching "True Christians" fight it out over who's really following Jesus and who's going to Hell. Now that's entertainment--especially when the hippie Christians are saying the hateful ones are going to Hell, because god knows the loving solution is an eternity of torture. But yeah, also former Catholic, read the Bible, saw how awful Christianity is.
My mom said she didn't want hear my evidence for why I changed, because she knows how much thought I put into it. She also knows I am prepared to debate. She is afraid that if I tell her my evidence it will be convincing enough to make her into an Atheist and she doesn't want that to happen. She is hoping in the meantime somebody will show me evidence/debate me and convince me to come back to Christianity. I also never knew how much she actually believed in Christianity, but now she told my sister she is worried about me going to hell.
My family are mostly Laissez -Faire Catholics .... I never had it forced on me aggresively ...in fact I was never confirmed in the Church . I am one of the lucky ones and still I was in my early 40s before I gave up on trying to make the unvelieveable somehow believable .
Nevemind to my question! You just answered my question 5:00 minutes into the show! You'll be in Fullerton! Can't wait! I'll drive to Fullerton from LA! Not that far of a drive at all!
When I reached the age of reason, and finally said outwardly to somebody else that I didn't believe anymore, all I heard from my fellow Catholics for the next decade was, it's just boyish teenage rebellion... It took until I hit my thirties and still had not returned, before they finally caught the hint. And to this day they do not consider me a former catholic. They just consider me a bad Catholic. A lapsed Catholic, perhaps. And then they are some people that still hold on to that thought, and I don't think they'll ever let go. They just keep hoping that I'll fall back into the fold, I guess.
I find the hardest part about my family members (on my wife's side) trying to save me, is that I know it comes from such a good place. They legitimately believe (they would say know) that I am going to hell. And they love me and want me to avoid that. If they had come at me with logic (yeah right) or anger or anything else I could just fire away, but when they come at me with such good intentions it feels wrong to even disagree with them. Anyone else have this perspective on it?
I’m an atheist, but I like to go to bible studies and will occasionally attend church. The reason is that religion is like my hobby. I enjoy it. There is a woman my age who has befriended me, and we are going to lunch next week. I have not brought up my atheism to anyone, because I don’t want to make trouble, and I want to keep attending the Bible study. But I’m thinking that if I am going to start a friendship with this woman, I probably should tell her I’m atheist. I don’t have any idea how she would react. I guess the only way to know is to do it! Any thoughts from anyone?
Lisa Spikes why would you make friends there!?? Unless with the intention of showing them the error of their way. Why waste time on the Bible? Or studying it!!! Unless to infiltrate and pick it apart .
I've read all kinds of books. And I have to say the bible is a tough read (starting at the beginning). But what I don't understand is why so many believe in a religion that is supposedly based on this book, when they themselves have never read the book. Oh they have their favorite passages, that have been repeated over and over, mostly from the new testament. But if they read it from the beginning where God is, I don't see how anyone would want to spent eternity with this maniac.
I loved the way you handled that "religious" idiot last night. I couldn't make up my mind if he was for real or one of the trolls that haunts the Atheist Experience shows. You have amazing control - I think I would have just told him where to go and hung up, but what you did was better - you showed him up for what he was - a fool.
Bert Simmons Did you not listen to the above podcast or are you just commenting without listening to the podcast? It's in there about half way through.
Growing up Mormon, I was taught that those who have never heard of the church or its teachings, just like unbaptized babies, go to hell. Granted it is the highest place in hell, but still he’ll and will ever be separated from Jesus
It took me 2 weeks of sleepless nights to unshackle the Christian Brain Washing since childhood but after that I have the freedom from the fear of death, fröm the fear of hell, fröm the fear of God and i am more understanding of gays and homosexuals. I am not afraid to sin against an imaginary God. I am now free.
I managed to shred the last fear of hell after I found the anime "Houzuki's Cold-heartedness" which is all about the shenanigans in the Japanese Underworld. It's sad that I held to a fear of hell for almost 20 years after I stopped believing in the Christian god and 12 years after I became an atheist.
I sometimes ask people why doesn't Hell exist until Eziekel and Daniel in the OT and then disappears during the minor prophets? If it is so central to Christian theology how come it doesn't come on the scene until late in the OT? I get blank looks, of course.
Hey Seth, can you bring some of your books on tour? I live in Canada and dont like paying double for a book just for shipping, I'd rather buy one at your show :)
God Was Bored Yeah - that's a bitch isn't it - I had pre ordered for an autographed paperback and it was going to cost $40 so I cancelled. I'll wait until it comes out in Amazon.
My boyfriend knows that I'm a non believer but my family & friends dont know about it but I dont talk about it openly because I try 2 keep the peace & keep my conversations neutral that's all
“I think hell is something you carry around with you. Not somewhere you go.”
― Neil Gaiman
nice. it reminds me of a slogan i saw on facebook it says like this "Hell empty because the devils are here" this is very true because all the religious people were playing the angel while doing the devil. (sorry for my grammar)
@@erosthelittlefighter5675 Hell was created bt the catholic church, There is no such a thing,
I remember when my father died, a few days later, some relatives called up and demanded to know if he had been "saved."
That encounter was what finally pushed me over the edge.
Neil mentions that some of the believers he dealt with during his deconversion would be horrified to realize that they were basically wishing him ill. One of my best friends, upon learning that I had turned away from Christianity, began *actively praying that my wife and I would suffer.* And he told me so directly. The reasoning: he wanted God to make my life so miserable that I would be forced to turn back to God, the supposed author of my misery in the first place, for redemption and delivery from said misery.
These people don't even realize how horrible their religion makes them. He sincerely thought this was a good thing to do, and he sincerely thought that once he told me, I should view it as an act of love.
Lucky for me, no one was listening to his prayers.
Smh.. the logic is so bad on that friend's part.. so sad!
I had the exact same experience with my parents. It's truly sad what religion does to an otherwise healthy mind
Wow. How sick is that?
P.S. that's just "Christian Witchcraft."
I live in Finland, I have absolutely no fear of telling people I'm an atheist. It is fascinating to hear about experiences of atheists in USA about coming out. And it really seems like an appropriate way to describe it.
I'm transgendered and I can honestly say that what the atheists described about their coming out experiment here sounds very familiar in this topic. No one should have any fears of just being who they are in any way.
Ironic, isn't it, for a country that claims to be all about "the land of tbe free and the hime of the brave" to be so oppressive in their xenophobia?
@@rain3743 as an American, for many of my fellow Americans its not about being #1, its about saying you're #1, sadly
Many parts of the USA are like this, but certainly not all. These stories are sad, but be advised that they are talking about the extreme examples. Having said that, yes, many people from all over the world are surprised when they learn that parts of the US suffer from this kind of extreme fundamentalist religiosity.
I've been an atheist for 7 years. About 8 people know that, including my wife.
@@TheBox225 Hi.... yea, I can relate to what you're feeling. Fortunately I never grew up in a religiously indoctrinated family, so publicly expressing my non belief in a god (or gods) is not that big a deal to family members but it can be to others. But I can certainly see that doing so with casual relations would be not as easy.
Having said that I have gotten feedback from both family and others to the effect..... "gee, did you know that he really doesn't believe in god?".... and "those of us who are believers (dot dot dot)".
All I gotta say is hang in there. Reveal your beliefs when you think it has value, but don't make enemies if there is not upside in doing so.
---- cheers.
An eternity in heaven would eventually seem like hell.
According to Christians, my soulmate is in hell. Being in heaven away from her for eternity would be hell for me. I’d rather spend eternity in hell with her
@@camwyn256 Screw those people who told you that!
A guy I flew with in the AF died in a training accident. He was an atheist, pretended to be christian, and his fundamentalist family knew and were worried for his soul. The funeral at their church turned into the go-to salvation sermon, totally deviating from anything honoring this devoted father and airman. Such a let down for people who went to honor him and support his wife and children.
+Mark Alden Sickening.
This funeral story is a good example as to why I do not want to have a funeral in a church. When my mom died the minister, a cousin, preached about how we (the kids) needed to "get right" or we wouldn't be able to make it into heaven to see our mom again. My aunt just died back in November and the minister, also a cousin, was preaching about living a holy lifestyle and how we all needed to get right. He went into the whole conversation about holy lifestyles because my aunt was gay. I don't like that, in order to attempt to convert people, they use inappropriate times like mourning to push an agenda. I have no respect for ministers like that and I have no respect for the religion, although I tolerate it as much as I can. If you have to use emotional blackmail to get someone to believe what you're saying then there's something wrong with the concept.
Free Spirit *Erica* I would’ve punched him in the face
they take advantage of the emotional vulnerability to sell their religion.
I agree with you. The funeral story was the saddest one.
My mom, dad, uncles and every other family members keep saying this to me and I just give them a hug and tell them I love them.
thebatmanover9000 True compassion on your part,I will take this with me.
"...Laugh with the sinners or cry with the saints ... the sinners are much more fun ..."
Regardless if it's family or friends, if they reject you for coming out as gay or becoming an atheist and they torment you because of it, LEAVE, plain and simple. No ones needs mental or emotional abuse.
Neil's story is the most tragic. It makes me like him and respect him even more than I would normally feel.
If there is a God that's going to send anyone away to be tortured for all eternity than that being is the ultimate psychopath of all psychopaths and by definition, could not be trusted NO MATTER WHAT we do. Such a being is capable of doing anything, including sending everyone to hell because there's no reason to consider it in any way sane.
Therefore, coupled with the complete and total lack of evidence for such a place, there's no point in concerning ourselves about it.
My husband's 16 year old niece died a couple of years ago and the pastor was a fire and brimstone type of guy who forced us all to sit through this speech about how Akera got right with God before her death and how, if we wanted to see her again, we all had to get right with God and accept Jesus. It was a terrible experience for my husband and I who loved Akera dearly and just wanted to mourn her. At the graveside the pastor tried to approach everyone and preach to them. We left before he could get around to us and we did not attend the after ceremony event where we knew the pastor would be.
Sabrina Loizides-Merideth Glad you were able to dodge that fucktard.
My Aunt is grade A level insane. Even the other Catholics in my family hate her. She’s the only one in the entire family that gives me, my parents and my siblings shit for being atheist. None of the other religious people in my family care. I remember she started going on a rant at Thanksgiving and told me I was no longer human, because “Humans worship the Lord”. I haven’t seen her in 2 years, and don’t plan on on re-establishing contact. She can rot in her own insanity,
That is the entire problem with Evangelical Christianity. They worship that which by our modern standards could be seen as NOTHING but a monster of the most epic proportions. This being will torture EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE FOR ETERNITY if they do not bow down and worship him. Can there EVER, be ANYTHING, less deserving of even being tolerated, much less worshiped, by the standards of any thinking, reasoning being?
Exactly. He's a monster of the worst sort, if he even exists.
Wow, I feel so sorry for the final caller. Using a close relatives funeral as leverage to promote the "evils" of atheism whilst immediate family is grieving a recent death? My blood is boiling.. that is so incredibly rude and selfish. A deplorable act that is not only cowardly, but passive aggressive. Maintaining a subtle sense of maliciousness to kick down a sect of the family that's already down. So very typical of self-righteous, holier-than-thou, Christians.
Srsly thx for making this podcast. It has made the night-shift so much bearable.
That "hell recording" just sounded like some distorted comic con ambiance.
Acleus only a woman screaming im sure the guys are trying to stay macho for eternity...
lewiss1100 god created me, god loves me, but hates my sin, but in order to be forgiven I need to ask god to forgive me for something he caused.
why would I ask for mercy from a creator that only loves me conditionally?
that makes no sense, I would rather burn in hell than beg to a being that only wants my devotion and doesn't care about me.
Guys, I just made the comment to poke fun at comicon. Please just take your arguments elsewhere.
Acleus he started it he pulled my hair!
Jamazonify Enough, go to your rooms until you two can get along.
My Blood Relatives (My So Called Family) think that I am going to Hell, but I don’t care because I walk my own path. So, they abandoned me for over 20+ years. My so called family is BANNED from my life for eternity. Screw them.
On a positive note, I love the show. Thanks.
The word hell looks like cheetos. Man, I'm hungry.
You're so cute
This has got to be one of the best shows ever. I could relate to so much what was said.
Do not fear hell, fear heaven; a place where you get to stand still and do nothing as you see below the suffering of humanity.
That Well to Hell would seem to indicate that He'll is a physical place that we could actually get to in the real world, while still alive.
So why don't we get a bunch of that equipment they use to rescue trapped miners, and start pulling people out of there?!
The religious would be shrieking about how those people belong there and that's why we should leave them down there, not help them back up
If they can think this out of reason they won't be religious.
seth, i just want to say a huge THANK YOU for doing what you do. you've inspired me to start being openly secular and stop just avoiding the topic, to the point that i've started sharing your posts and videos on facebook to counteract the ridiculous amount of religious posts i see every day. probably half of my friends are devout christians or at least passively religious, and because you've taught me so much about debating points and how to handle these situations, i'm finally brave enough to share my views. i look forward to your podcasts every week and to all the (beautifully snarky) posts you share on the thinking atheist page.
i came out to my parents (fundamental baptists) a year ago, and at first it was a bumpy ride, but now they've just accepted it and still love me. i am so incredibly lucky that they don't threaten me with eternal damnation for not believing and for living with my fiance and all that. i think it's interesting that my older sister married an evangelist and is a devout baptist (on the outside, at least), i'm marrying a man who used to be a satanist and is now an atheist, like myself, and my younger brother is agnostic (although my parents don't know yet). i guess i just got all of my sister's freethinking genes.
on the subject of people going to heaven if they've never heard of jesus: in my parents church, they believe that after the rapture, during the 7 years of tribulation, anyone who has never heard of jesus will still be able to be saved if they accept jesus, but that anyone who has heard and rejected will suffer the 7 years and still go to hell in the end. but they also believe that anyone who has never heard the gospel and dies before all that mess happens is destined for hell.
I'm glad I woke up to reality, and it's beautiful.
Yes, it's such a beautiful feeling of FREEDOM.
Don't forget all the money you saved from not supporting the Church
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I'd rather be in hell with other non-believers and rock and roll, than in heaven with paedophiles, rapists and murderers who believed in Jesus and were forgiven by him.
lewiss1100 see we all tell ourselves what we have to, to move on with our lives. Christians/atheists no different. other than ego.
lewiss1100 Sounds pretty boring if you can't sin.
lewiss1100 That still sounds supremely boring.
Kitty BooBoo You've somehow managed to combine a slippery slope and strawman in to a single logical fallacy. Congratulations!
Kitty BooBoo By your logic, there's no need to eat or sleep because praising god is all you have to do to stay alive.
When I was in Catholic school they taught us that only Catholics go to heaven. I was only in second grade and I thought to myself that just can't be true. I started to question what they were teaching but of course I knew not to ask any questions. That's the problem with religion.They also told us girls we would be nuns when we grow up, I was thinking there is no way I am going to be a nun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So they found hell, eh? Let's get a winch and start fishing folks out! Or straight up raid the joint.
Let's use it as a power source! All that fire, bet you we could light up cities with that!
I saw the _CBS Sunday Morning_ segment you mentioned, and I was really glad of it. Two weeks earlier, _Sunday Morning_ had so doubled down on Easter, leading with two highly religious stories, I did something I rarely do: I turned the program off.
As for the recording of hell, I guess I didn't have my gain up high enough, because all that sounded like was a confused and garbled mess!
Like Neil, my journey toward nonbelief began at around age 36. And Ive never looked back!
Like AC/DC says...Highway to hell. Great song.
Music lover, eh? I have met only one person who knows Ofra Haza(in my limited circle, of course).
Who the Hell is Ofra Haza? AC/DC Rocks!
Who gives a fuck
Lol. I always tell anyone who tells me this "I'm not going to a place that does not exist and there is no such thing as the devil" The looks that I get are classic and the conversation ends with me laughing and no rebuttals.
I get it. I get the strangest silence from friends and acquaintances when I admit that I don't believe in heaven or hell or the devil. They mostly become speechless, which is great.
Could you even begin to trust a god who believed eternal burning torture is a just and moral punishment for anything?
Yeah, this god is worse than a war criminal.
God gave you the choice to go to hell or not moron
you are the idiot that choose to go there
you are a moron who thinks fish turn into people
I guess Hell might be a just punishment for a being that created Hell.
Indeed. as much as you choose to give your money to a robber pointing a gun at your head, or chose to die. it's like calling that situation choosing between a donation or suicide.
and fish didn't turn into people. this is a MASSIVE straw man, and one I'm tired of explaining. If you are going to criticize something, learn it first. no, the fish doesn't turn into humans. each
new generation has minor variation. some help in some environments, others don't.
imagine a fish living in a marshland. it occasionally dries out, so fishes that can survive inside the mud or breathe air have an advantage, so there are more and more of them, meaning they can migrate to drier parts of the marsh, continue this over several generations, and you will get amphibians and then land animals. and the fish that stayed in the wetter part of the marsh? they will stick to having more water based advantages.
did the fish turn into amphibians? no. Did the amphibians evolve from fish? yes.
go research the topic if you have objections.I'm done.
Hoops590, you mean people who believe the earth was created in 6 days, Noah and the Ark, Jonah and the whale, a talking snake, someone walking on water, all in the bible?? Not to mention all of the contradictions, discrepancies and absurdities in the bible. Who's the moron?? lol
to me heaven seems to be like north korea, and if thats the case , i dont want to be there.
Christopher Hitchens said the same thing.
A very apt parallel!
My late grandmother used to always tell me about how the fire in Hell was 10x hotter than on Earth when I was a child; how she knew that.............I never found out.
What a relief to be in hell away from relatives
Pretty much sums up my thoughts about my family. 'A warm place away from my demon-spawn brother, hypocrite mother, and end-times-obsessed bigoted father? Sign me the fuck up! I hope there's no cell service in hell so that they can't try texting me!'
Mid life crisis lol. I became an atheist when I was 28 and my parents though I was going through a late rebellious phase.
l3ete1geuse I became one in my teens, and they thought it was a rebellious phase. In mid twenties now. Long phase.
Well, Jesus achieved his goal of separating families, didn't he?
This was a good show. I can relate to everyone who grew up fundamentalist. Thanks for giving us this outlet.
Hell is a place that I wouldn't send my worst enemy to.
This is a great podcast. Keep up the great work!
*Bounces off the walls and ceiling* RR 2016! YES!!!!
I so wanted to hit RR back in 2012, but was unable to do so. My situation is much changed though, no way I am missing this one...
Jesus has been in syndicated reruns for over two thousand years. No new episodes forthcoming.
lol... makes me sad too :( it'll keep going.. as other poor countries pick up reruns in the future.
I lost the signal years ago
The blooper outtakes are hysterical though
I am not American and these videos are very insightful in what the evangelicals are like in the US. Thank goodness I reside in a mostly non religious society.
I don't know why, but that sound clip gives me the chills...
The prophesy of Isaiah? You mean the most misquoted prophecy in the whole damn book that even God's angel, Gabriel, got wrong?
Hell? That soundbite sounded like a crowded mall.
I'm sorry, I'm not seeing a difference.
36:20 Sounds like just another day at Wal-Mart.
I recognize Neil Carter's voice. He stood up to ask Cye ten Bruggencake question in the debate (nay--'debate' is the wrong word, rather 'unsubstantiated rant') he had with Matt Dillahunty last year.
Hearing some of the stories here WOWs me. I gave up on religion when I was 10 or 12. My family wasn't super religious. When I was young we went to the Catholic church, Sunday school, the works. I was never an alter boy. If anyone in my family has some problem with my being an atheist they keep it to themselves, as they should.
After hearing the recording of "Hell", it reminds me of the recordings of space and the planets. Just weird noise...noises of nature. Heck, even a cricket's chirp or a bird's song really slowed down is freaky sounding. It's just noise.
The female caller towards the end who was a part of Church of Christ , I can totally relate to her experience with that church and their delusional thinking. I was a part of it as well and left and noe make videos for people who are leaving that controlling church as well as for those whom are journeying out of religion. I have been on my early journey of leaving religion and am leaning towards agnostic right now. Your videos and podcasts really help, I love it thank you!
You can barely imagine that over here in Germany.
The worst thing that happened to me related to my atheism is that my parents refused to pay the fee required to make the change official.
Whaaaaat?? You need to pay a fee to be an atheist?!
Natasha Williamson It's a fee to make it official. You see, there's a thing called "church tax", and everyone registered as a believer has to pay it. The fee required to unregister is 37€.
Now, the reason why my parents wouldn't pay was because "it was my choice". However, was it my choice to become registered as a believer?
That seems very intrusive of government.... Fascinating. I'm from Canada and religion only comes up in church or in hushed voices with people that you know well outside of church.. I came out to my parents and they were basically like "oh that's cool, I understand where you're coming from. How bout that weather?"
Gosh, the Reason Rally in 2016...I would love to go...
The paradox of hell is something that I'm convinced no one truly believes in. Even if a switch was flipped in my mind tomorrow and I became a devout [ insert religion here ], I could never rationalize a heaven and a hell. The knowledge that anyone, even the moat horrific person, would be forced to spend an eternity in pain and terror would end any feelings of not or happiness. Not even taking into consideration that I'd be forced to live with the being that did such evil...
The only being that could ever deserve never-ending torment, to my mind, is the one who could create it as punishment.
When I was 10, our class,was going to a one-week long outdoor "camp" education trip. We,were supposed to "buddy-up" so I asked a friend and her Mother told her she couldn't buddy with me because I was going to hell. My parents didn't take us to church. I became a believer as an." adult." Eventually, I circled back and realized it's bullshit. But how MEAN was that, to say that to or about a child? I was devastated! My Mom called her Mom up and chewed her out, but the damage had been done. I am sure part of my conversion at age 26 was a desire just to belong. I ceased being that codependent, and identify as an atheist without concern or apology, now.
I believe in multiple dimensions of both heaven and hell, and that compassion for one another is the key to where you go and how long you stay. No other criteria is required. Just learn to be good to one another.
Oh man I just got to the well to hell part and that shit gave me chills. Despite being brought up a catholic I never really believed much, god was just another being like Santa but even less special as god never gave me presents every year lol. So naturally hell didn't hold much sway either. That shit would be perfect for a movie with hell in it though.
lewiss1100 I think you may be commenting on the wrong video, you may as well be telling me Santa will give me coal this year. By the way people celebrated the winter solstice long before Christianity adopted it themselves, it was actually a pagan holiday, you guys just stole it like all religions steal from each other.
lewiss1100 Im glad some believers actually watch Sets podcasts. He does make a lot of sense, try to listen to what he and his callers have to say, you might learn something you didn't know. Still, good to have you here :)
My mother thinks that science replaced the Bible for me
It did. Smart move.
Logic replaced illogic .
The Bible says it's not that God says he "can't help you" when you're an apostate, or "in darkness ", but that he "will refuse to help you".
1:04:20 Dang! That's a true and great point (Golden Ticket Part).
Awesome show Seth! When you coming to Los Angeles/Southern California again!
That recording of hell... sounds a whole lot like a food court at a busy mall. :-/
Oh's no.I am going to pray to Jebus right now.
All it needs is Oriental people yelling "Sampo!" (sample).
PluckySmurf It sounds like the Half-Off Saturday Sale at the Retail store I work at. =| Trufax. My job must be located in Hell. Like every other Retail position! IT ALL ADDS UP.
PluckySmurf LOL!
+Igrad Tar
The last time I was in a busy mall, I did start to wonder if I had found the first circle of hell.
Then black friday came along, and I no longer have any doubt.
"Whirlpools whirl, and dragnets drag. Hell is not the fire. Hell is your belief in yourself as the higher." Peter Murphy: "Dragnet Drag"
During my Catholic youth I heard about hell only once, in a sermon by a visiting Monsignor. He said the Church teaches that it's real, and we like to think that people like Hitler and Stalin are down there. But he added thay we don't know who's there, or if anyone is there at all, and it's not for us to be concerned about.
God was busy getting me that great parking spot at Starbucks.
Listening to this show (I eagerly await every youtube version every week, because from the Netherlands, it's hard to catch you live and honestly, the audio is way better anyway), I just keep thinking about this thing my mother said to me and my sister, after just leaving church for a babtism in the family. She just bluntly stated she really wanted to see us in heaven and hoped we would believe.
Which is ironic, because in all our years growing up SHE was the one teaching us about different religions, because her religion was forced on her by her parents.
Now that she's re-married to a man that is also very religious, she has gotten back into it as well and as it seems, now believes my sister and I are doomed.
Well thanks mom! I'm glad to know you think that, no matter how we behave, we simply won't go to heaven, because we don't believe in god.
This was several years ago, but it still bothers me. We were just so dumbfounded at her statement at that moment we didn't have anything to say back to her, butreally, what kind of thing is that to say, especially 5 minutes after leaving church?
How tolerant is this loving god?
(And why does church have to be so flipping boring and have shoddy benches that hurt your back?)
Anyway, I would love to hear some perspectives from others on this.
Thanks! Mike.
some were scared, some wanted to assuage that fear ,some wanted to control those with fear
Mark Twain: I prefer heaven for the comfort and hell for the company.
I think it's interesting that they bring up the ill wishing. I got some of that, "You'll believe when something happens and you need God." Well I can say I won't. I've come out as an atheist this last year. Eight months after I began to tell my family, my grandmother passed, and I didn't once think, she's in heaven, God protect her soul. I'm sure, at least looking at my family, that I took it better because of my acceptance that there is no heaven. I can say for sure that I took it better than my eldest sister, who is a reborn christian. There's just something peaceful about knowing that a person I love, who struggled with illness her last couple years is at peace. She's just gone and I don't have to worry if she's in heaven or hell.
After twenty years of marriage, l have become a firm believer in hell
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A Saint Louis visit may be in order if you are coming to this missouri-able place.
haha yep, you talk about hell and you are going to get a lot of catholics. I was raised catholic, then went agnostic for years, tried again to believe, ended up an atheist. it happened when i came out as lesbian and read the bible to see what it said about people like me. i got a couple of pages in and thought wtf is this shit? i cant believe i let that book keep me in the closet for so many years.
Godless Lesbian You were Catholic and you read the Bible??? OMG!! It's a sin to read the Bible if you're Catholic! You can go to hell for that. You're supposed to let the priest read it for you. Only Baptists, Presbyterians, and other heathens are supposed to read the Bible.
Reading the Bible or being a Baptist is worse than being a lesbian!.
(Almost not joking. When my dad was a kid, Catholics were strongly urged to not read the Bible and let the priest do it for them. I guess you figured out why. )
You will not find truth in a Catholic religion, Jesus said I am the truth. So before you give up altogether diligently seek. Jesus said Seek and you shall find. Don't become a reprobate there is still time. Today if you would hear His voice harden not your heart. Many don't want to accept truth because they don't want to give up the way they are living now but the end of it is death. Jesus came that you may have eternal life.
+Godless Lesbian Same here! I'm a lesbian who was raised a Catholic and I'm now an Atheist. I wish I could get my name wiped off any and all church records. I don't want anything to do with that hypocritical, exclusivist, old-boys' club. I'm also pissed that it robbed me of so much of my time.
prosperomage I'm not sure any of those other groups spend a lot of time on it themselves. It seems to be more "cherry pick the verses that fit whatevber they personally believe and ignore the rest. As I'm listening to this podcast, I'm also on Facebook watching "True Christians" fight it out over who's really following Jesus and who's going to Hell. Now that's entertainment--especially when the hippie Christians are saying the hateful ones are going to Hell, because god knows the loving solution is an eternity of torture.
But yeah, also former Catholic, read the Bible, saw how awful Christianity is.
My mom said she didn't want hear my evidence for why I changed, because she knows how much thought I put into it. She also knows I am prepared to debate. She is afraid that if I tell her my evidence it will be convincing enough to make her into an Atheist and she doesn't want that to happen. She is hoping in the meantime somebody will show me evidence/debate me and convince me to come back to Christianity.
I also never knew how much she actually believed in Christianity, but now she told my sister she is worried about me going to hell.
"Is He appearing on toast?" Oh that's good! :D
My family are mostly Laissez -Faire Catholics .... I never had it forced on me aggresively ...in fact I was never confirmed in the Church . I am one of the lucky ones and still I was in my early 40s before I gave up on trying to make the unvelieveable somehow believable .
Nevemind to my question! You just answered my question 5:00 minutes into the show! You'll be in Fullerton! Can't wait! I'll drive to Fullerton from LA! Not that far of a drive at all!
When I reached the age of reason, and finally said outwardly to somebody else that I didn't believe anymore, all I heard from my fellow Catholics for the next decade was,
it's just boyish teenage rebellion...
It took until I hit my thirties and still had not returned, before they finally caught the hint.
And to this day they do not consider me a former catholic. They just consider me a bad Catholic.
A lapsed Catholic, perhaps.
And then they are some people that still hold on to that thought, and I don't think they'll ever let go. They just keep hoping that I'll fall back into the fold, I guess.
There was an advertisement for Pure Flix before this video haha.
your imitation of a hillbilly accent is impeccable. lol
He is an Okie
I find the hardest part about my family members (on my wife's side) trying to save me, is that I know it comes from such a good place. They legitimately believe (they would say know) that I am going to hell. And they love me and want me to avoid that. If they had come at me with logic (yeah right) or anger or anything else I could just fire away, but when they come at me with such good intentions it feels wrong to even disagree with them. Anyone else have this perspective on it?
Hell yes. Come to Atlanta. I'll be there.
I’m an atheist, but I like to go to bible studies and will occasionally attend church. The reason is that religion is like my hobby. I enjoy it. There is a woman my age who has befriended me, and we are going to lunch next week. I have not brought up my atheism to anyone, because I don’t want to make trouble, and I want to keep attending the Bible study. But I’m thinking that if I am going to start a friendship with this woman, I probably should tell her I’m atheist. I don’t have any idea how she would react. I guess the only way to know is to do it! Any thoughts from anyone?
Lisa Spikes why would you make friends there!?? Unless with the intention of showing them the error of their way. Why waste time on the Bible? Or studying it!!! Unless to infiltrate and pick it apart .
I've read all kinds of books. And I have to say the bible is a tough read (starting at the beginning). But what I don't understand is why so many believe in a religion that is supposedly based on this book, when they themselves have never read the book. Oh they have their favorite passages, that have been repeated over and over, mostly from the new testament. But if they read it from the beginning where God is, I don't see how anyone would want to spent eternity with this maniac.
Reading this years later ,hope you have resolved whatever it was you were afraid of regarding your friend
This is why most of us just sit back quietly and play along.
Yup.
Wow, guess i'm not the right kind of atheist, since i never got any magical gayifying powers.
That recording of hell brought back all sorts of PTSD. The scars of religious brainwashing never really heal, do they?
Oh, they ABSOLUTELY want something horrible to happen. I always ask," Is that an official prophesy?" That usually scares them.
I loved the way you handled that "religious" idiot last night. I couldn't make up my mind if he was for real or one of the trolls that haunts the Atheist Experience shows. You have amazing control - I think I would have just told him where to go and hung up, but what you did was better - you showed him up for what he was - a fool.
Y Brynecho
Yesterday where?
Bert Simmons Podcast #219.
Which one? An Atheist Experience style troll called into this podcast? That's rare.
Bert Simmons Did you not listen to the above podcast or are you just commenting without listening to the podcast? It's in there about half way through.
Y Brynecho
I listened to the whole thing.. I mean, I did fall asleep for about ten minutes at one point.
Growing up Mormon, I was taught that those who have never heard of the church or its teachings, just like unbaptized babies, go to hell. Granted it is the highest place in hell, but still he’ll and will ever be separated from Jesus
It took me 2 weeks of sleepless nights to unshackle the Christian Brain Washing since childhood but after that I have the freedom from the fear of death, fröm the fear of hell, fröm the fear of God and i am more understanding of gays and homosexuals. I am not afraid to sin against an imaginary God. I am now free.
the facts are these:You make it up as you go along . (life that is)
I managed to shred the last fear of hell after I found the anime "Houzuki's Cold-heartedness" which is all about the shenanigans in the Japanese Underworld. It's sad that I held to a fear of hell for almost 20 years after I stopped believing in the Christian god and 12 years after I became an atheist.
That 'hell' recording sounded like a bad recording of a busy swimming pool...
The well to hell sounded like a really distorted Sunday service
I sometimes ask people why doesn't Hell exist until Eziekel and Daniel in the OT and then disappears during the minor prophets? If it is so central to Christian theology how come it doesn't come on the scene until late in the OT? I get blank looks, of course.
Hey Seth, can you bring some of your books on tour? I live in Canada and dont like paying double for a book just for shipping, I'd rather buy one at your show :)
God Was Bored Yeah - that's a bitch isn't it - I had pre ordered for an autographed paperback and it was going to cost $40 so I cancelled. I'll wait until it comes out in Amazon.
See if he has AudioBooks.
rob whee His audiobook doesn't convey the great artist he commissioned for the pictorials :)
Oh really?
I will settle for the voice artistry (he reads Deconverted).
Looking forward to seeing you in Sacramento!
My boyfriend knows that I'm a non believer but my family & friends dont know about it but I dont talk about it openly because I try 2 keep the peace & keep my conversations neutral that's all
Why is it your responsibility to keep thw peace ? Is it because they will not .
Once again, I'm glad I have secular parents who don't care that I deconverted.
Can't wait for next week's!
Here in Sweden I have never heard anything like coming out as an athiest.