René Guénon on Hinduism

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  • Опубліковано 20 січ 2017
  • Selected quotes from 'Introduction to the Study of the Hindu doctrines' which was René Guénon's first major book. The book begins by defining metaphysics and addresses Western orientalist misinterpretations of Eastern traditions. It goes on to introduce key concepts common to all Eastern religions before going in to more detail on the principle Hindu beliefs. The book might more accurately have been entitled 'Introduction to Radical Traditionalism'.
    This video only covers Metaphysics, Idolatry and Caste.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 249

  • @hasforth9
    @hasforth9 7 років тому +255

    It's a bittersweet feeling discovering Réne Guenon, Julius Evola and the Traditionalist school.
    I have always felt detached and excluded from contemporary Western society with its materialism and false egalitarian values, but I never knew of any real alternatives until I stumbled over a critique "Metaphysics of War" in a left-wing newspaper.
    I feel like I have so much to learn, despite being educated within the confines of modern Historiography.

    • @MacmillansDiciple
      @MacmillansDiciple 6 років тому +29

      Hasforth We are all in this journey. Socrates has powerful words of advice for us travellers at the end of the Republic; despair not the pace or speed of the journey for we are all reaching the same destination and are participating in the same pursuit.

    • @contrarian8877
      @contrarian8877 4 роки тому +9

      @Akon Ali The fact that Muslims treat Muhammad as a sort of quasi-god and border on idolatry/worship makes Islam unattractive for people who are naturally skeptical of personality cults. Hanging on to every little word of a mere mortal and ascribing divine powers to them at times seems cultish.

    • @jpmisterioman
      @jpmisterioman 4 роки тому +3

      Where is that critique?

    • @Sinsteel
      @Sinsteel 3 роки тому +3

      @@contrarian8877 Indeed, as if each person needs some other person to communicate with God which is part of all of us...

    • @niccolop.carlyle4621
      @niccolop.carlyle4621 3 роки тому +13

      @@contrarian8877 For the record, I'm not a Muslim. However, Muslims absolutely reject the belief that Muhammad was to any degree divine, insisting that it is never permissible to do to Muhammad what the Christians did to Jesus (make him the son of God). According to Islam, regarding Muhammad, or any other creature, human or otherwise, to be divine to any degree would be _shirk_ (association with God), the only sin unforgivable in the afterlife.

  • @disorderedenthropy
    @disorderedenthropy 5 років тому +301

    As a Hindu I thank you for posting this. I wish all Indo-European people reconnect with their roots and pagan beliefs.

    • @John-lf3xf
      @John-lf3xf 5 років тому +24

      Rene Guenon was not trying to help people go back. Thats quite the opposite of traditionalism.

    • @m.jamespratt3691
      @m.jamespratt3691 4 роки тому +4

      The true roots of Arianism or Indo-Europeans Native Religion is the teachings of Zarathustra which informed Buddhism, Hinduism and all Abrahamic practices

    • @felixuniverse6009
      @felixuniverse6009 4 роки тому +62

      @@m.jamespratt3691 zarathustra was a reformer of older religion, stop smoking weed and read books, The Vedas are the big daddy of all Indo European traditions.

    • @taggebagge
      @taggebagge 3 роки тому

      @Yoel Armas Macías Well put.

    • @FlippyHambone
      @FlippyHambone 3 роки тому

      @anthony mehu Scientology.

  • @historywithhilbert146
    @historywithhilbert146 7 років тому +155

    Thank you very much for making this film, I've always been interested and fascinated by Hinduism, and your video has been real food for thought for me to feed upon whilst going to sleep.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 років тому +25

      Glad to be of service Hilbert

    • @Konrad-ur1jd
      @Konrad-ur1jd 7 років тому +1

      When i saw it was a very old frenchman who you were taking quotes from, i knew it would be a pain to understand and it was. It might as well be Shakespearean language because i could only gleam some wisdom from less than half of it.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 років тому +5

      this is a translation any way

    • @joelastlight7162
      @joelastlight7162 7 років тому +1

      Oh Albert Ehrlichmann you must be a man more sinn`d against than sinning.

    • @juandavidrestrepoduran6007
      @juandavidrestrepoduran6007 7 років тому

      +Survive the Jive after watching some specifical videos of you, are you in any way a noble or something like that? (specially the ceylon tea and ancestor grave cleaning videos).

  • @wyrdflex5863
    @wyrdflex5863 7 років тому +64

    That you are not being paid to read audiobooks really upsets me.

  • @dragoflamer786
    @dragoflamer786 4 роки тому +73

    René Guénon himself was a practicing Muslim and Sufi. He appreciated the Hindu religion.

    • @SufiRepublic
      @SufiRepublic 2 роки тому +10

      To be precised he appreciated the source and the begining of Hindu religion

    • @sunilvarma3532
      @sunilvarma3532 2 роки тому +5

      @@SufiRepublic there is no beginning of the Hindu religion. It’s not man made like Islam. It’s literally called the natural, eternal way. Eternal means it never came into beings. Plus sufis have been on a never ending conversion spree, I’ve read what rum I thought about Hinduism, just another religious biggot

    • @ach615
      @ach615 2 роки тому +1

      This narrative is certainly not appreciative.

    • @mrty5213
      @mrty5213 2 роки тому +2

      @@sunilvarma3532 Islam is eternal unlike the idols you worship

    • @infinite5795
      @infinite5795 2 роки тому +8

      @@mrty5213 that's why, you were born of In--cest and there was no Islam before the 6th century.

  • @michaellandon1030
    @michaellandon1030 5 років тому +43

    He spoke with such brilliant clarity. Almost unreal.

    • @aek12
      @aek12 4 місяці тому +1

      He has Clarity of heart. Clarity is not merely Intellectual.

  • @anwi5290
    @anwi5290 4 роки тому +16

    Love from India..♥️🇮🇳

  • @BirkaViking
    @BirkaViking 7 років тому +28

    Great video again friend :-)
    Cheers from Sweden

  • @architsharma2877
    @architsharma2877 7 років тому +78

    in comments Brahmin hate is always there
    I'd like people to introspect and analyse their shortcomings also rather than blaming Brahmins for every wrong doing in our society.

    • @Rajj854
      @Rajj854 7 років тому +19

      archit sharma Introspection is good for everyone, even Brahmins

    • @randomperson5817
      @randomperson5817 4 роки тому +20

      Brahmins have fallen short of their responsibilities and no longer really deserve any title of respect. Wealth at birth and name are inherited according to the laws of Karma, but respect from one man to another must be earned.

    • @rishab5293
      @rishab5293 4 роки тому +4

      Unfortunately channels like this one attract not just curious minds but also awfully casteist brahmins who clearly still believe in keeping the lower castes under their feets.

    • @simonsphinx3920
      @simonsphinx3920 4 роки тому +11

      @@rishab5293 Rene guenon believes in caste system.

    • @contrarian8877
      @contrarian8877 4 роки тому +2

      The caste system is a stupid way to organize a society. Probably why India is still a third rate shithole in the 21st century.

  • @NT-yk6gk
    @NT-yk6gk 7 років тому +5

    Excellent work!Keep it up!

  • @kota86
    @kota86 7 років тому +16

    Man, I felt like the information presented in this video washed over me like calm, steady waves. It was so relaxing yet powerful; an experience I have trouble finding the words for.
    Than you very much.

  • @JoeOnaBoat
    @JoeOnaBoat 6 років тому +15

    yes of course i enjoyed this youtube a great deal. I’ve also addressed hinduism in my youtube i’ve made more than twenty but not all about hinduism. I hope you keep making them too. you can trust me.

  • @quidestveritas659
    @quidestveritas659 7 років тому +8

    Excellent.

  • @Furn427
    @Furn427 5 років тому +19

    Please read The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times : It's a really good book

  • @vizx8574
    @vizx8574 6 років тому +15

    god never said that the brahmans are superior to other , brahmans used to live asetic life in ancinet times they couldnt even wear the gold , earn the money , they make money by bhiksha(means asking others /donation) , on the other hand kshtriya make money by taxes , vaishyas were the most richest because of trade . kshtriya have to lose their life in war , but brahmans , vaishyas enjoy the freedom .
    sry for spellings err.

  • @volvaheidrbores663
    @volvaheidrbores663 4 роки тому +11

    Shakti Maa
    Maha Kali 💚🔥💙
    OM kring kalikaye Namo Namaha

  • @lavish_1717
    @lavish_1717 6 років тому +21

    What about a video regarding Rene Guenon on Islamic metaphysics? He did end up converting to Sufi Islam. Even Julius Evola's Metaphysics of War has similarities to Islamic metaphysics of war.

    • @alhassani626
      @alhassani626 4 роки тому +19

      Guenon explicitly mentions in his letters his love for the religion of Islam. And warns Frithjof Schuon from moving away from the Shariah. Guenon prayed five times a day, and his last words were " Allah". Perhaps astonishment from the ecstasy of discovering the beyond..

    • @thephilosophermma8449
      @thephilosophermma8449 4 роки тому +8

      curios one His interpretation of Advaita was not like modern day explanation of monism or pantheism, he interpreted Advaita as pure monotheism.

    • @maxpayne3628
      @maxpayne3628 3 роки тому

      @Suraj Gautam Ibn Sina was a Sufi? What.

    • @groundzero5708
      @groundzero5708 Рік тому

      @@alhassani626 sufism came from those pagan teachings lol gotta respect the og

    • @ukko8457
      @ukko8457 Рік тому +1

      @@alhassani626 Guenon's got me interested in sufism, tho I got no idea where to start getting into it, which books and so on.

  • @time8100
    @time8100 9 днів тому

    What is that temple in the video that is shown when speaking of Idolatry. 4:22

  • @miriampialarrisonokronglis3911
    @miriampialarrisonokronglis3911 7 років тому +4

    Thanks for posting this. I now recognize you Ma, from your videos and your relationship with your brother. I had not been aware of the 11 genders until you told me, even though I have read The Bhagavad Gita, and 'that book about sex' - I don't know why I don't recall the name of it right now. I'm not a Hindu, but would like to have a friendly inter-faith relationship rather than just fighting with each other over religion at this time.

  • @garychynne1377
    @garychynne1377 7 років тому +23

    An intellect could use words to convince the devil there is sin. A pagan is a pagan no matter what form he comes in.
    In the presence of Mother Nature those that believe in god--s or do not believe in god--s are equally awed. Mother Nature.
    Hindu's are o.k. with me. Thank you and take care Gare

    • @venturingintolight3657
      @venturingintolight3657 6 років тому +5

      Gary Chynne "Nature" in this sense is not our Mother, but rather our sister. She who is the Mother of all far transcends what contemporary Western mentalities consider "nature".

  • @Gamenetreviews
    @Gamenetreviews 4 роки тому +39

    Could Hinduism be seen as a better Indo-European Pagan religion to follow because it has a continuous and genuine tradition?

    • @akashsingh4005
      @akashsingh4005 4 роки тому +23

      As a Hindu myself I don't think so. Neo-paganism is more about connecting to your ancestors than following a philosophy .

    • @contrarian8877
      @contrarian8877 4 роки тому +7

      Why "follow" any religion? Think for yourself.

    • @yashr.5803
      @yashr.5803 3 роки тому +7

      I would say so. Much of the writings and teachings of the European pagan religions have been lost.

    • @ManyDog
      @ManyDog 3 роки тому +12

      Read Savitri Devi

    • @yashr.5803
      @yashr.5803 3 роки тому +4

      @@ManyDog +1

  • @DarioHaruni
    @DarioHaruni 2 роки тому +7

    I don't know if reincarnation is true, but men like Rene Guenon, Frithjof Schuon, Seyyed Hossein Nasr etc, are kind of a proof that the ancient geniuses can come back in troublesome times in different bodies.

  • @maudemurray
    @maudemurray Рік тому +1

    For some crucially important reasons, the ideas of Frithjof Schuon [when differing from those of René Guénon] are of world-shaking importance; so one must be informed: he summarizes his distinctive ideas on page 53 of Aldo Vidali's dossier of the Schuon cult, which is on ZLibrary and Scribd. He writes that a pure pneumatic [افراد، فرد] has a revelation and the primordial law in the depths of his own heart, so revelation and a sacred law are not essential, and such a person can never deviate, whatever appearances may be from a particular limited perspective. As proof, he cites impeccable authorities: The Brahma Sutras, Meister Eckhardt and René Guénon, all of whom said more in other passages well worth reading, and found on my site here: Frithjof Schuon: A last minute lesson in discerment.
    There, you'll also find a page with excerpts from Guénon's letters on Schuon, dated from 1936 to 1950; and a refutation of Schuon's booklet, called "Some observations," in which he criticizes Guénon. The French of that Refutation is on Scribd, called Réfutation de Quelques critiques, de Schuon. Theres an automatic translation into English on Scribd too but it's much better on my site; and a fine metaphysician is editing my editing for the ideas...so soon, God willing, it will be great!
    For an opposite view, that of the"Schuonians," see "Frithjof Schuon: Messenger of the Perennial philosophy," which is on pdfdrive, ZLibrary and Scribd. The chapter called "At variance with Guénon" shows how/why Schuon thought he was the "most profound metaphysician of the twentieth century," when he also thought a lot more. I'm dead set opposed to that book, beginning with the title, handwritten by Frithjof Schuon on page xvii. That word "Messenger" drives me out of my mind; and the idea that the Perennial philosophy is anything like a religion that leads to salvation and has a Prophet...finishes me off completely! Of course I love all revelations: who would dream otherwise!

  • @John-lf3xf
    @John-lf3xf 4 роки тому +2

    Metaphysics is constant. First quarter.

  • @wadesheckles5420
    @wadesheckles5420 5 років тому

    This guy played Forest of Aiyanar for background music

  • @michaellewis7861
    @michaellewis7861 4 роки тому +2

    Only now one year after watching this video, I understand it.. And it was almost zero. And now it’s complete... Maybe it’s the mathematics I’ve been studying..

    • @user-klepikovmd
      @user-klepikovmd Рік тому

      Guenon's first education was a mathematian :-)

  • @kusumtanwar8831
    @kusumtanwar8831 3 роки тому +7

    Ancient Greek gods and goddess , egyptian civilization , mesopotamia , Hinduism , Buddhism.. These r oldest civilizations in world. They accepted any kind of spiritual path and diversity..
    It is very sad, maximum r demolished by religion and (one god concept) like - islam. but now only 2 Hinduism & Buddhism r live.

    • @PlayWithProNoob-pu5vr
      @PlayWithProNoob-pu5vr 2 роки тому +1

      Hinduism and Buddhism are not different... actually Sanatan Dharma is the one and only religion is surviving from the beginning of human civilization

  • @John-lf3xf
    @John-lf3xf 5 років тому +4

    Metaphysics is basically transcendental knowledge in the way that he is defining the term

  • @dna1435
    @dna1435 9 місяців тому

    Your video is like the light ✨️ in the darkness, I thank you sincerely with gratitude, Kindly make more such videos on genon's views on Islam ,on the sufi doctrine, and why did he choose to be a practicing Muslim.

    • @groundzero5708
      @groundzero5708 7 місяців тому

      he became sufi muslim . not sunni or shia

    • @groundzero5708
      @groundzero5708 7 місяців тому

      sunni or shia islam is islam for the masses like hindunism for shudra while a upper class of muslims pulls thred of islamic society.

    • @americaeaustraliaepius4338
      @americaeaustraliaepius4338 7 місяців тому

      Sufism is more platonic mysticism than islam properly. That's why so many muslims despise sufism.

    • @mrinal1129
      @mrinal1129 4 місяці тому

      Sufism born out of Hindu influence..

  • @___-_____-
    @___-_____- 7 років тому +6

    What is your thoughts on Sihkism considering they believe that Hinduism has turned away from the true path?

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 років тому +42

      I have nothing against Sikhs and I don't know enough about the teachings of Guru Nanak to give an informed opinion, but I am sceptical of all modern deviations from Tradition.

    • @einmann3252
      @einmann3252 6 років тому +22

      Sikhism is a corruption of Hinduism and other religions including Abrahamic ones. Culturally and Ritually closer to Hinduism but has many elements of Abrahamic monotheistic theology.

    • @ishubetterthanyou1582
      @ishubetterthanyou1582 4 роки тому +2

      @@Survivethejive Sikhs are a monotheistic religion, but they went away from tradition because of Islam and the hindu caste system. Most of the early and even later Sikh converts have been from low castes who were treated badly. The caste is to be dropped in order to join the religion as well. Fun fact though, Sikhism doesn't have any real concepts of Heaven or hell or eternal punishment. The closest they have is "be close to god/energy" and you'll basically be merged back into it. The life lessons are nothing but casual good/bad stuff and just allowing people to follow their religion as it doesn't matter what religion someone is from, as different people and different cultures can use their own ways to worship. If it wasn't God based, it'd be pretty nice. It's a good combination of the two very different types of religions.

  • @volvaheidrbores663
    @volvaheidrbores663 4 роки тому

    🔥😍🥰

  • @jbeutz796
    @jbeutz796 4 роки тому

    based

  • @reneguenon7824
    @reneguenon7824 2 роки тому

    Guenon denied in fact that there was ever a thing like an homogenous aryan society. On the other hand, he was more interested in hinduist metaphysical teachings as in islamic literature. The biggest part of Guenons library included books about hindu- topics and vedic philosophy or spirituality. He stayed in Egypt because a coincidence. He was also more intetested in Sufism as in the Koran. But we should not forget that Guenon was never an advocat for the indoeuropean people and he was in several points strictly against Evolas ideas and goals.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  2 роки тому +12

      Guenon denied the Aryans existed as a distinct people! He even said only the Chinese are a race and no one else. He was wrong about so many things

    • @reneguenon7824
      @reneguenon7824 2 роки тому +2

      @@Survivethejive Yes. He said also that the Hyperboreans are from many different races. Ive read enough of him. Some points in his books and especially his critique on the modern world is correct and valuable. The problem with the majority of mystics and conservatives is that they are in their core, their soul, weak persons and xenophilia (like the enlightement philosophers, the freemasons and many occultists and so forth) is a sign of uprooting. Unfortunately many people in roman nations own no selfunderstanding as whites and in our time is the ideology of 1789 and a cosmopolitan (or internationalist) mindset totally normal. On the other hand, Evolas glorification of the "aryan-roman race", the Imperium romanum and the medieval Holy Empire of German Nation its problematic. No multiethnic empire retains on a long term a pure race or a homogenous tribe or cast. The dissolution of the roman patricians in the Imperium was a question of time. (I share the opinion of Hans F.K.Günther to this subject.) I appreciate a lot of things on Evola, but partially he was misdirected by political romancy. And about men like Frithjof Schuon und Titus Burckhardt we don't even need to talk. I see clear the line christianisation- humanism-freemasonry-1789-liberalism, democracy, marxism-nihilism. And the problem with Guénon has two aspects: firstly, he started as catholic and secondly he was a mixed person without any kind of racial thinking and self-image. Race and nation meant nothing to him. He was never a proud european and all of his essays on celtic and cultural topics are pure metaphysical and mythical texts. He had no sense for worldly and biological factors nor things like racial souls and racial mentality.

    • @xiuhcoatl4830
      @xiuhcoatl4830 2 роки тому +3

      @@reneguenon7824 because the roman identity is cultural, not racial. You weren't roman for being of a certain race, you were roman for living, acting and thinking like a roman. That's what differentiate romance culture from anglosaxon culture where race is more relevant. That's why the spaniards cared for converting people and building stuff in their colonies, so conquered peoples would become spaniard, same thing with the romans. Race is just a specific fenotype which ironically denies the actual diversity of closer peoples, like saying europeans aren't diverse because they are white, when white is just a bunch of fenotypical traits, but with few to no relevance when translated to culture. That's why romans were completely different from the picts, despite being both white, that's why India is filled with multiple regional cultures with their own identity but you see them all the same because they are all brown.

  • @mr.coolmug3181
    @mr.coolmug3181 7 років тому +3

    Why did Evola advocate a return to a more aristocratic civilization? If the royal families are a governing warrior caste, then surely this is a usurpation of a governing priestly caste, since the Brahmin are at the top of the hierarchy?

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 років тому +13

      At one point Evola and Guenon had a dispute on this subject I think. Anyway, better you read this for an answer www.gornahoor.net/?p=273

    • @mr.coolmug3181
      @mr.coolmug3181 7 років тому

      Thanks this was clarifying.

    • @jsmith3980
      @jsmith3980 6 років тому +3

      Not so...Kshatriyas and Brahmins were equally at the top.

  • @malthus101
    @malthus101 5 років тому +6

    So you're saying.............. wait. What are you saying?

  • @RistaSerbia
    @RistaSerbia 4 роки тому +1

    Very good video. I would advise you to read these philosophical pieces a bit slower for your non native English speaking subscribers - something like Academy Of Ideas (on yt)

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks. You can use the settings to change the speed of the video if you like

    • @johnstewart7025
      @johnstewart7025 4 роки тому

      doesn't sound too bad at .75 speed

  • @Vijinger10
    @Vijinger10 4 роки тому +3

    At 6.19, it says "4 castes" . Actually it is 4 Varnas. Arya society saw it self as 4 varnas. Castes are a different division e.g. same varna has many castes

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  4 роки тому +3

      caste is an english word which we use to translate the word varna "colour"

    • @amantripathi6080
      @amantripathi6080 8 місяців тому

      @@SurvivethejiveVarna is NOT COLOUR

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  8 місяців тому

      @@amantripathi6080 that is the original root meaning of the word though

    • @amantripathi6080
      @amantripathi6080 8 місяців тому

      @@Survivethejive I believe it’s the misinterpretation of the word

    • @amantripathi6080
      @amantripathi6080 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Survivethejive lol it’s pretty cool that you’re still replying to comments 😂❤️

  • @catalystdrive
    @catalystdrive 7 років тому +2

    Have you heard of the Bock Saga?

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 років тому +9

      just googled it. Sounds like bollocks

    • @yelsavidaravskaja905
      @yelsavidaravskaja905 6 років тому

      Survive the Jive Based STJ ignores anti-finnic new-age mumbojumbo

  • @mikehutchinson4826
    @mikehutchinson4826 2 роки тому +3

    There’s no reason to presume advaita, as the traditionalist school tends to do. The Vedas speak of both nonduality and duality, and Sri Ramanuja synthesized this into Vishishtadvaita, which is a qualified monism. And this tendency to see this as simply remote and beyond this is wrong. The myths, including death of the gods, their multiplicity, and so on, tells us something true about the Absolute. Even something as seemingly low as sacrifice shows us the sacrificial nature of the Henad in making the world, as this requires a descent of Being into a more limited context. And we begin the paradox of “already was” and “becoming”. This becoming isn’t a mere illusion. It’s the point of this world, or we are otherwise part of a cruel joke. If the state of affairs is the same both before and after this world, this is all pointless, regardless of the terminology used to defend such a notion. In Japanese Shingon Buddhism, Dainichi Nyorai (Mahavairocana Buddha) is both the basis of everything, and also said to be synonymous with everything in its final realized state. These are paradoxes that must be grappled with rather than sweeping them away under an extreme form of monism.

  • @rockysingh5563
    @rockysingh5563 5 років тому +9

    I'm hindu
    I love all people

  • @jeffreyhawthornegoines8727
    @jeffreyhawthornegoines8727 6 років тому +2

    Absolutely and completely abstract

  • @tracisundari1950
    @tracisundari1950 2 роки тому +1

    Jaya sri krsna

    • @tracisundari1950
      @tracisundari1950 Рік тому +1

      In saing that i wish the zealats at i.s.k.o.n. could hear this

  • @ronnyglockiz3063
    @ronnyglockiz3063 5 років тому +2

    Greetings, what in the glorious hell are you saying at: 1:02, are you saying "necessity", or "necevity", or "necedity"? What on earth??!??!?!

  • @mr_kesal
    @mr_kesal Рік тому +1

    In the end, Guenon is embracing Islam. May Allah give him jannah

    • @xiuhcoatl4830
      @xiuhcoatl4830 Рік тому

      Not really... he was an orientalist

    • @groundzero5708
      @groundzero5708 7 місяців тому +4

      lol rene guenon became sufi mystic not your typical sunni shia beiliefes .lol lmao

  • @brucehitchcock3869
    @brucehitchcock3869 Рік тому

    Who said the religious mind has no beliefs ,denomination or identification ? Identification with subculture is violence ? He died in 86 .

  • @johanvonliebert4812
    @johanvonliebert4812 3 роки тому

    Or so called

  • @jeffreyhawthornegoines8727
    @jeffreyhawthornegoines8727 6 років тому +6

    Rene Guenon was certainly a great thinker, but not really in this passage: it is completely abstract. A self continuum which coils on itself tautologically. It can be picked up by any point of view and attached to very different discourses. More concretely, despite the depth and greatness of Indian Philosophy, Indian societies have never been very good, and have come very far from increasing human happiness

    • @JohnSmith-ww2mg
      @JohnSmith-ww2mg 5 років тому +13

      i.e due to colonization and westernization the happiness stopped increasing.we became materialistic too like our western counterpatrts.

    • @ramon2008
      @ramon2008 2 роки тому +2

      Have never been very good ? Before british colonization, india was the richest nation on earth. Culturally, and materially.

    • @reneguenon7824
      @reneguenon7824 2 роки тому +1

      @@ramon2008 India had never an united nation. We find there many nations, casts, cultures and ethnic groups. So, where we find the richest cultures in India?

    • @infinite5795
      @infinite5795 2 роки тому +1

      @@reneguenon7824 it was in the temples, also many were educated when the Portuguese came to India.

    • @fakeemail4005
      @fakeemail4005 Рік тому +1

      @@reneguenon7824 India was a united civilization of diverse nations, all united through their knowledge and subsequent reaction to the vedas. Where some accepted the vedas for themselves, others denied its authority over themselves, the entire region was united in respect and acknowledgement of the vedas. For example: the entire region, regardless of "nation", was socially structured under the varna system, which got its authority and legitimacy from the vedas. Britain made the Indian democracy, but the Indian civilization was already there.

  • @persianfantasy2070
    @persianfantasy2070 2 роки тому +1

    BASED?????

  • @logofworthyjunkmail6514
    @logofworthyjunkmail6514 2 роки тому +9

    Your description of caste and romantic idealization of it shows you haven't read hindu texts or haven't looked into Indias history.
    I'm (born) an Iyer Brahmin so I did spend some time studying texts among its endless ocean because of my orthodox family. Everything from the Shudras being walking crematoriums, pouring lac in their ear if they hear the Vedas, cutting their tongue off and body to pieces if they study the Vedas (Manusmriti, Gautama & Baudhyana Dharmasutras) - it's all quoted by Adi Shankara (most important Hindu Philosopher) in his Brahma Sutras. And this is not the 'misplaced application of the original intention of the caste system'. No, the Manusmriti was written about 800BCE, which is as old as it gets. And the Gryha Sutras of the Vedangas (Vedas) mention the similar ideas and were written older around 1500-1200BCE, very close to the Vedas composition. So this stuff was the original intention of the system, but bit less dialed down than the quotes I mentioned. Its basis was discrimination on birth though.
    Further on, the intermixture of the castes are forbidden and called Anuloma and Pratiloma marriages. Their offspring would be called "varna-shankara" children that were disposed off and ostracized to become untouchables. The lowest are called chandalas, and they're still used as a bad word in common lingo today in south India. These children were 'born' that way because they did 'sins' in their past life and it provided endless reasons to not educate them and bring them up the ladder. Brahmins of the past wouldn't touch them either in general. Everything was because they were born impure or 'tamasic'. Krishna also says in the Gita that Women, Vaishyas, Shudras are 'papayonya' (sinful birth).
    And Chandogya Upanishad 5.10.7 (800BCE) - "Now, people here whose behavior is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Kshatriya, or the Vaisya class. But people of foul behavior can expect to enter a foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman." And since you love anything 'Aryan', I should mention that Buddhism and Jainism other parts of Hinduism (Kashmiri Shavism) opposed this system to its core and it's whole theory, application and basis. The basis of the varna system was the connection of Kula (birth), Guna (qualities) and occupation and was opposed by these philosophies. Instead, the focus was on just Gunas, which is the same as what we call merit or qualities today to judge a person. Obviously, I think you may say 'Buddhism wasn't meant to be pacifist', which shows you probably haven't read about Buddhism.
    You also said opposing the caste system is like 'overturning every legitimate hierarchy'. What..? It's bringing back the power to that of Merit, and not birth. So a hierarchy will still exist, but a much more reasonable one on merit. Kind of like Buddhas middle way, where both can coexist but with more fairness. The existence of 'caste' has no benefit or value and the instead does the opposite. Hierarchies will always exist in society on the basis of inequality of capability of different people, hence absolutely no need to create newer destructive hierarchies on birth. Allow people to do their thing.
    You also say 'a person can't change their nature' and so caste makes total sense. The notion of the lower castes 'unpleasant nature' (tamasic qualities) was imposed upon by the 'Indo-Aryans' (who later formed the substrate called Brahmins and Kshatriyas) on the Shudras and Untouchables and was a product of the tremendous bias and racism of the Arya's since the systems conception. These same lower caste people built a large part of the Indus Valley Civilization and Tamil Sangam Literature. To say the castes 'nature' is to be tamasic or 'petulant, angry, unintelligent' (as told in some Hindu texts) shows total lack of knowledge. Only nowadays, Shudras are being liberated from this system, and there are a plethora able to perform and succeed, like B.R Ambedkar, etc.
    You seem to think there's 'wisdom' in all this, but you're really out of touch with reality if you think so.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  2 роки тому +12

      I'm not Rene Guenon lol

    • @PlayWithProNoob-pu5vr
      @PlayWithProNoob-pu5vr 2 роки тому +4

      lol you are totally brainwashed... that's the problem with many south Indian peoples like you

  • @ZephaniahL
    @ZephaniahL 11 місяців тому

    Is this a sort of Tom Hardy, but less perverted, narrative voice?

  • @dna1435
    @dna1435 9 місяців тому

    Please remove the background annoying music

  • @vilasosc
    @vilasosc 5 років тому +3

    Wrong interpretation of Brahmin and 4 varnas (not caste). And completely wrong saying that shudra borned under it's feet. Shudra are it's feet. And all three i.e Brahman, kshatriya, vaishya are balance on the power of shudra. This is the true interpretation and this is the structure of any society even today no matter which religion, which country i.e the same. There are intellectuals (brahmins) are mostly known as scientists, doctors, lawyers, burocrates, administrators, teachers. Kshatriya we know them today as Army, politicians, secret agents and all of them who are part of defence. Vaishya are mostly businessman and shudra who help all above to do their work or we know them as employees of all the above three Varna's. This is the same structure going on from ages. Caste is new western term for varna with different meaning to it. And there are cycles of ages for each one if them to be powerful. First the brahmins were holding the power on rest three then kshatriya who takeover and hold the power, after that capitalism and then shudra were for some time and this cycle repeated again and again. And term comes when it is most necessary to balance the structure of the inbalanced society due to over power of earlier varna.

    • @shalinikabilan7128
      @shalinikabilan7128 4 роки тому +4

      Here comes...a justification and cover up of the entire evil society with evil and anti human morality ....how can you even beleive or say something like this..when the reality is far far from what you texted

  • @thephilosophermma8449
    @thephilosophermma8449 4 роки тому +7

    He was one of the very few philosophers who studied both Western and eastern philosophy. He was very much influenced by Eastern Philosophy, but there was not much Philosophical reasoning to Eastern thought rather it was mostly spiritual, so the only religion according to his research which was both Rational and Spiritual was Islam and he converted to Islam later in his life and brought many people to Islam and never recommend Hinduism to anyone.

    • @xiuhcoatl4830
      @xiuhcoatl4830 2 роки тому +5

      Cut it your with your taqiyya there. Guenon was a sufi mystic, and with a vision that you abdoooools call "orientalist" nowdays, he never practiced the orthodoxo muhammedism that you do.

    • @geilleadh4852
      @geilleadh4852 Рік тому +1

      @@xiuhcoatl4830 he did. Tasawwuf is a key component of traditional Islam.

    • @xiuhcoatl4830
      @xiuhcoatl4830 Рік тому

      @@geilleadh4852 No he didn't. He was orientalist, read his works, he was not a muslim

    • @geilleadh4852
      @geilleadh4852 Рік тому +1

      @@xiuhcoatl4830 he moved to Cairo and became a Muslim in 1930, being initiated into the traditional Shadhili tariqa, tracing it's lineage back to the Prophet. He prayed every day, made dhikr every day, his practice was purely Islamic, and his last word was "Allah" he was entirely a Muslim.

  • @saratsaratchandran3085
    @saratsaratchandran3085 2 роки тому +1

    Brahmin is a status one reaches through one’s persuasions and efforts, as it got degenerated during the feudalism period into a dumb inheritance model when the merit and quality went out of the window! The current state of cast is a non-meritorious degenerated inheritance model, a far cry from what it truly represented!

  • @johanvonliebert4812
    @johanvonliebert4812 3 роки тому

    He was a Muslim

  • @ekmad
    @ekmad 6 років тому +8

    I dislike Guenon, he strikes me as just an Orientalist as was shown for his fanaticism for Islam.

    • @ekmad
      @ekmad 6 років тому +20

      That's a great reason for it yes, we have to remember Islam is simply a Jewish Messianic Sect gone rogue. Guenon wasn't smart enough to see its limitations and was blinded by its Orientalism and "mystique" both of which were not Islamic in nature. The spiritual core of the East was destroyed by the Islamic Monolith and its corpse worn to fool those that it had not. Compare that to someone like Savitri Devi who was undoubtedly an Orientalist (admitted so herself) but accurately saw Hinduism and Buddhism for what it was, namely being the spiritual centre of Humans and something we had lost in the West.

    • @combatantezoteric2965
      @combatantezoteric2965 5 років тому +2

      @@ekmad I think that the word "mystical" is not at all good to describe what he saw in religion. In most of his books he criticizes the mysticism of the medieval Occident and of the modern paganism. He thought that only through intellectual initiation one can reach the transcendence. The problem is that he saw this in every religious tradition, so obviously he was wrong.

    • @jhonnybravo8835
      @jhonnybravo8835 5 років тому

      @Ian Miles so how do you view Islam

    • @adeelali8417
      @adeelali8417 5 років тому +5

      @@jhonnybravo8835 Islam is the Truth. There is one God.

    • @alhassani626
      @alhassani626 4 роки тому +5

      @@ekmad The west has never yet produced half a Guenon and you’re here criticising Islam? Tell me, what do you know about Islam? Guenon was, is and perhaps will remain the GOAT from the West.

  • @leenamin3099
    @leenamin3099 Рік тому

    accurate. shame... you should expand on Guenon. titan in traditional truth