The oldest dated cannon in the world, with artillery expert Nick Hall
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2024
- In this episode of Up In Arms, Curator Emeritus Nick Hall is down at Fort Nelson with the Guinness World record holder for the world's oldest dated cannon in existence: a bronze cannon from the 15th Century. Read more about the object below:
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That was still being used 350 years after it was made, incredible
lol yeah and some people think the BUFF has had a long run.
... don't be surprised if this goes missing soon when a certain man from Kentucky with a perchance for ballistics learns about its whereabouts...
I mean, they could just cast their own.
@@molochi But bronze is expensive
@@thrifikionor7603Kentucky Ballistics will find a way to do it.
Watermelon time!!!
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What a fantastic overview of this piece of history. Thank you Nick.
Please keep doing videos on artillery in addition to the small arms videos :)
That must have been one hell of a boom.
That is indeed beautiful! Thank you for sharing it with us!
I bet that was a helluva sight seeing that thing touched off.
I'd like to see a video on the mounts and whole aiming, loading and firing sequence .
I wonder how many kept their hearing after woulds ?
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Thank you for this video!
The 'Dulle Griet' bombarde in Ghent allegedly dates to 1431.
Is that barrel thread metric or SAE?
Turkish Whitworth left hand tapered.
What a spectacular piece!
Hello nick I have great memories of you showing me and the group of new cannon users some of the finer points of loading and firing the guns we brought along back in the early 90s . The stay in the Hilton bunk house was allways fun with the rabbits running around everywhere and we did our best to thin them out ( tasty) the ride you gave us in the 25lb priest/ ram self propelled gun was a true highlight. Management has changed several times since then and it's been at least 15 years since we did a show at ft nelson. I have very happy memories there it's great to see you still at work there. Ced from the kynngs ordnance
Thanks very much Nick and team.
This must have been amazing feat of casting for the time.
Some other early guns were made from straight iron staves welded together and secured by iron hoops - I believe that method of construction is the origin of the word "barrel" to describe the launch tube of a gun.
Nice to see more of Fort Nelson. Might have to talk my dad into visiting just to use my new knowledge, but we were there a few weeks ago so might be a tough sell. Can we have a video about the matching dragon cannon and musket please?
That screw truly is something, for the day. I can't help but get a little lost in thought over that build. I think my mind is drifting to what we know about early breech loading cannon, where the breech would more or less be a loadable shell, wedged into place. Many breeches could be loaded ahead of a fight, and could be rotated in the fight to raise your rate of fire. With how long it'd take to load this Ottoman gun, I'm wondering, could they have made more than one "breech" (the rearmost barrel) with the idea of doing what those early breech loaders did...?
I doubt that would save any time. It would be a lot more work swapping eight-ton breeches than placing the powder charge in the existing one, once it has been unscrewed. And you've still got to load the projectile down the barrel.
That one looks like the ball goes in one piece, and the charge goes in the other... they probably would load it in the woods, and then assemble and fire it quickly in place.
They made a lot back then, but they would blow up a lot and not many worked well.
This one's very well made. They used to be hollow logs, or strips of metal, hammered with hoops together, like a basket.
Some old cannons from the early days had interesting slogans, or "inspirational" texts, to emphasise their importance or purpose/ownership. I recall one from old Danish BP cannon: "Mit iseren kvälen skit ich den vigende schiten" (sp? Old Danish). Something on lines "with iron balls I shoot the bastads/svines" 🙂
Did they have to hire deaf soldiers to fire this thing , Jesus I couldn’t imagine how loud that would be
Wonder how many exploded before the final design.
A breech loading bombard is not something you'd see everyday. If it was used by unscrewing, it makes it quite the feat.
Two parts of approximately equal weight, one which is a tube.
Sounds like a maths problem.
How do we arrange the thickness of the walls and the length.
In the build up to the siege of Constantinople, a Hungarian gunsmith named Orban offered his services to the Byzantine Emperor Constantine XI. Constantine turned him down, so Orban signed up with Mehmet II instead. He made several huge bombards like this one for him, including a truly massive one that became known as the 'Basilisk', and they were used to batter the walls of Constantinople into rubble. One of history's worst missed hiring opportunities.
it's not that he outright turned him down. constantinople was already in economic decline and these guns were expensive. they just couldn't afford the guns
I bet they had a young boy crawling to the chamber to pile up sacks of gunpowder there.
Wow, that’s an antique!
It’s an amazing piece. I’m glad it still exists.
Just curious, but do you know what is the second oldest surviving cannon?
There weren't many made and not that anonymous.
There are many older cannon surviving than this. This is the oldest *dated* cannon, as is the date of manufacture is precisely known, not just approximately.
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Neat. What other old cannons can you think of off-hand? I’m fascinated by older military technology.
@@waynesworldofsci-tech Of siege bombards like this, I’d mention Dulle Griet in Ghent, Mons Meg in Edinburgh, the Boxted Bombard at Fort Nelson and Pumhart von Steyr in Vienna.
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Thanks, now I get to do some fun digging. Gonna be a good day.
Got that Tenosian blammy, hide yo bulwark
Hey we're getting the "and artillery" part of the royal armories.
A war that is not over, just a break in the fighting. New tactics nowadays for a new age. Was the Artillery Museum at Woolwich the delightful Rotunda (now gone) ? The museum in a tent outside the historic barracks building.
There is a cotton wadding with the same name , I wonder why ? Which is a very ancient name . And the name goes back at lest to ancient Greek.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many global artifacts are in British Museams, I knew exactly what this cannon was from the thumbnail lol
Yeah, from another expansionist empire that fell. Spoils of war. Like no one else ever did it?
I mean it's a fascinating object, but how ith this the "record holder" for the oldest dating cannon when we still have ones that are older than 1464 like the "Mons Meg" of Edinburgh Castle from 1449 or the "Pumhart von Steyr" which was giftet to HRE emperor Frederick III. in 1452? Also for a bronze cast cannon or bombard it's not the oldest as there were bronze cannons around in the late 14th century. Also not the biggest - the "Grose Bochse" (Big Gun) of Marienburg, cast in 1408, is reported to have been almost as big as the Pumhart von Steyr so 50-70cm caliber.
That is massive o_o
Middle ages worst nightmare
oldest? The Faule Magd in Dresden was made before 1450 and is therefore older. Pumhart von Steyr is first half of the 15th century as well.
Too much man, not enough gun
wait, if you move 16 tons what do you get?
A day older and deeper in debt...
The range: Oh, come one! You can at least state how far it was from the British fleet it damaged or what the practical range was when considering the area of sea the Turks counted on it covering. Sure, distance to a wall is a useful educational point but there are *some* valid numbers to give.
Itll make a nice bell someday
Over 3500 churches have closed in the UK in the last 10 years. Where would you reckon on putting this nice bell?
@@jonathanlewis453 I don't know. But nothing man made lasts forever. Not the UK, not the USA, not even your pessimism.
Those places need a new church. Don't you think?
Pray. Ask. It'll happen eventually.
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Probably never met a wall it couldn't turn to gravel
Well incidentally fort Nelson would be relatively resilient to it.
You cast 16 tonnes and what do you get?
A two piece cannon for a guy called Mehmed.
Johnny Fergie don't you come here, no you been told!
Nick Hall's cannon is bigger than yours.
Send it to Ukraine!
If you asked me to imagine a British person, and I closed my eyes, he is what I would see
And, yet, most Brits aren't anything like this guy.
Howdy Nick! (First)
No sooth visible at the thread. Means that it almost never been shot.
Any soot would be long cleaned away, particularly during the Victorian times.
that is because they have John Smith, Cleaner of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK, which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history.. it really is a team effort running a museum. 🙂
Outside the Keep of the Citadel of Turin, Italy, there's a Turkish bombard in bronze (not cast iron as I wrote at first: I'm sorry, I read an article that was not accurate). from the siege of Constantinople in 1453. Inside the Keep, now the Museum of Artillery of Turin, there is a bombard of the thirteen hundreds and an impressive array of artillery of all ages. So, your cannon it's not the oldest dated in the world, sorry about the sad news. it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cittadella_di_Torino
I think they mean this is the oldest one with the production date cast into it. Not necessarily the oldest one known.
Cast Iron ? How many shots did it fire?
What is the name of this bombard? I very much doubt it is a cast iron cannon.
@@nightjarflying I'm sorry, I read an article that was not accurate: it appears to be made of bronze.
@@eduardvaniersel7535 Yes, it is, you're correct.
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