well Al, im glad you brought up Russian gymnastics fashion bc i was just about to compliment the orange, fuchsia, purple leo worn by russia's katarina. my favorite one
I love how with how theyve changed the scoring system *SO MUCH!* Over the years with Gymnastics- people keep saying things like "We will never again see a perfect 10! We will never again see a score in the 17s! ....2018- a 15.1 is a 'STRATOSPHERIC score!' " lol. Wow. I WISH THINGS has progressed THIS direction in MY sport (Equestrian Triathlon/Aka 3 Day Eventing) not ONLY have they actually changed how they score the 1st of the three phases- Dressage- so that score are on average anywhere from 10-15 full points BETTER/LOWER *lower, in Eventing, is better! Cuz jump penalties and time faults for going to slow are ADDITIONAL points added to your score and you DONT want those- you want a low score!) But they not only score dressage differently by about 10-15pts now but they also accept half-point scores now too- on the scale of 0-10, it used to only be WHOLE numbers- but, now they accept "6.5, 7.5, 8.5s" etc. And those half points definitely ADD UP A LOT!) So, the scores I USED to win a 40 horse/rider OPEN division by nearly 3 full points with a flat 30.0 after all three phases are complete.... Today?! A score of 30 would be LUCKY to finish in the top 5 or even the top 10/in the ribbons at ALL!!! Nowdays in a show with 300-400 horse& rider entries, there will probably be nearly 10 scores in the TEENS, and at LEAST 5-8++ in each division in the low to high 20s... 30s don't even REGISTER as being "decent" anymore lol. So when I talk about WINNING area Championships or coming in Reserve Champion NATIONALLY in only my 2nd season of competing with average final scores in the low to mid 30s... Ugh. It sounds HORRIBLE compared to the scores people get and on the ridiculously expensive, fancy, 6-figure$$$ imported European Warmbloods in order to compete and even have ANY hope of finishing in the ribbons even at the LOWEST levels!!! I HATE all the score changes in sports! It makes it virtually impossible to really "compare" athletes & their scores from previous generations to those of today!!! I understand the need to change a lot of times.... But, it doesn't mean I gotta LIKE it!!!!
That’s because that was one of the few times she actually HIT that routine, including the dismount. Otherwise she was the queen of inconsistency unfortunately. I knew by 2010 that her chances of the Olympic team were not very good. The injury really finished the job.
It’s a shame Semenova didn’t make it to 2012, she could have easily medaled on bars. Gold? Probably not with Mustafina but silver or bronze? Possibly for sure. Same with Anna Porgras- she could have medaled on beam in London.
What annoys me about the American commentators the most is they tend to focus SOLELY on the negative. Ana Porgras does a beautiful bar routine with an amazing 1 1/2 turn into a release move and throughout the whole routine they just talked about how the Romanians are historically weak on bars and how she missed her handstand on the low bar. They make it hard to just enjoy the routine or root for the gymnast to finish strong if they have a mistake.
Women's Artistic Gymnastics World Championships 2009- via cameras & photography circa: 1971...? Seriously, HOW can a video from the 21st century look so... Cheap 90s soap opera?! I don't even have words. Bleeeck!
I never liked the style of Bross. There was always so much hype around her before she got injured. I feel like people respected her difficulty back then, but didn’t care about her form. When now we have someone like Skinner who has a ton of difficulty, but people just attack her execution.
Much of Rebecca Bross' form was NOT her fault. She was VERY knock kneed, which definitely affected her form. It also absolutely contributed to her horrible knee injuries.
QPHashSS77 that’s a bit harsh. Nothing I said was at all offensive. I said that “I didn’t like her style” and that “no one cared about her form” which I still feel is accurate regardless of her knees. Gymnastics is a sport built on critiques and different styles. Just like everyone attacks Skinner. Even though I like her gymnastics. I didn’t go calling anyone a “coward” for having an opinion on Skinners gymnastics now did I? Take a seat.
@biggie TALLS i would have to examine more closely to see the form issues others see. I just did not enjoy watching her style. I did not watch gymnastics much in her day though, so watching back now, I have to remind myself of what was the highest level of tumbling being done. It is a shame what happened with her injuries though. I agree with you about Skinner. Her practice videos show some improvement, but it will be interesting to see if those show up in performance.
I think anyone can see quite clearly that Tsurumi and Dufournet, although being obviously cleaner on bars and beam than the American duo, were actually marked lower on the E-score which is very significant as, starting precisely with these championships, there have been two separate systems of evaluation of execution (for Americans and for the rest of the world) at every major gymnastic meet, as if there were two separate E-panels of judges.
@@cocobeebe Yeah because that was when Simone Biles was not on the national team since she was on the 2018 Worlds and Bridget Sloan has retired along time ago so yeah it was such an odd mistake for anyone that's a huge fan of the sport especially Tim Daggett😂
Lol- I looked at this comment & just kept chuckling I thought you said her "DIY" routine- I was like "OHHH, that was one shady Buuuurn!" But you said "DTY"... I don't know why but I thought calling anything out of anyone's routine a "DIY" version- sounded like such a hilarious little dig! I might just go with it...
on a monthly bases, just a reminder. Bridget is a world-class gymnast, who was forgotten as a world AA gold medalist.
AND U.S. NATIONAL CHAMPION 2009 plus (I believe) the first world champion to compete in the NCAA😉!
Yes, world aa champion, ncaa champion. USA national champion- and people don’t even acknowledge her! She’s among the sport’s greats!
well Al, im glad you brought up Russian gymnastics fashion bc i was just about to compliment the orange, fuchsia, purple leo worn by russia's katarina. my favorite one
Mi-a plăcut totdeauna Ana Porgras! Bravo Ana! Ne măndrim cu tine!
I love how with how theyve changed the scoring system *SO MUCH!* Over the years with Gymnastics- people keep saying things like "We will never again see a perfect 10! We will never again see a score in the 17s! ....2018- a 15.1 is a 'STRATOSPHERIC score!' " lol. Wow. I WISH THINGS has progressed THIS direction in MY sport (Equestrian Triathlon/Aka 3 Day Eventing) not ONLY have they actually changed how they score the 1st of the three phases- Dressage- so that score are on average anywhere from 10-15 full points BETTER/LOWER *lower, in Eventing, is better! Cuz jump penalties and time faults for going to slow are ADDITIONAL points added to your score and you DONT want those- you want a low score!) But they not only score dressage differently by about 10-15pts now but they also accept half-point scores now too- on the scale of 0-10, it used to only be WHOLE numbers- but, now they accept "6.5, 7.5, 8.5s" etc. And those half points definitely ADD UP A LOT!)
So, the scores I USED to win a 40 horse/rider OPEN division by nearly 3 full points with a flat 30.0 after all three phases are complete.... Today?! A score of 30 would be LUCKY to finish in the top 5 or even the top 10/in the ribbons at ALL!!! Nowdays in a show with 300-400 horse& rider entries, there will probably be nearly 10 scores in the TEENS, and at LEAST 5-8++ in each division in the low to high 20s... 30s don't even REGISTER as being "decent" anymore lol. So when I talk about WINNING area Championships or coming in Reserve Champion NATIONALLY in only my 2nd season of competing with average final scores in the low to mid 30s... Ugh. It sounds HORRIBLE compared to the scores people get and on the ridiculously expensive, fancy, 6-figure$$$ imported European Warmbloods in order to compete and even have ANY hope of finishing in the ribbons even at the LOWEST levels!!!
I HATE all the score changes in sports! It makes it virtually impossible to really "compare" athletes & their scores from previous generations to those of today!!! I understand the need to change a lot of times.... But, it doesn't mean I gotta LIKE it!!!!
Good grief, Bross beam routine!! WOW, so damn impressed. I am shocked this is not more talked about in the community.
All ppl talk about her is her failed comeback
That’s because that was one of the few times she actually HIT that routine, including the dismount. Otherwise she was the queen of inconsistency unfortunately. I knew by 2010 that her chances of the Olympic team were not very good. The injury really finished the job.
Loving this, even though I’m watching it in March of 2020. Can’t wait for the 2020 Olympics gymnastics! ⚡️🤸♀️⚡️
Heartbroken Olympics 2020NE
I am happy for 2021, is all the same. F@&k the corona virus!! Love you much!
I can't wait for 2021. Hope Chellsie Memmel makes it back!!!!!
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It’s a shame Semenova didn’t make it to 2012, she could have easily medaled on bars. Gold? Probably not with Mustafina but silver or bronze? Possibly for sure. Same with Anna Porgras- she could have medaled on beam in London.
Thanks for posting! If you have them can you post the 2010 event finals next
What annoys me about the American commentators the most is they tend to focus SOLELY on the negative. Ana Porgras does a beautiful bar routine with an amazing 1 1/2 turn into a release move and throughout the whole routine they just talked about how the Romanians are historically weak on bars and how she missed her handstand on the low bar. They make it hard to just enjoy the routine or root for the gymnast to finish strong if they have a mistake.
Americans actually have better commentators. They just always hire the sleaze bags.
Women's Artistic Gymnastics World Championships 2009-
via cameras & photography circa:
1971...?
Seriously, HOW can a video from the 21st century look so... Cheap 90s soap opera?! I don't even have words. Bleeeck!
if bross stop her tumbling with a 2,5 twist, she probably won the gold
Rebecca Bross always seemed to be dogged by sheer bad luck.
I never liked the style of Bross. There was always so much hype around her before she got injured. I feel like people respected her difficulty back then, but didn’t care about her form. When now we have someone like Skinner who has a ton of difficulty, but people just attack her execution.
Much of Rebecca Bross' form was NOT her fault. She was VERY knock kneed, which definitely affected her form. It also absolutely contributed to her horrible knee injuries.
This does make a lot more sense now! Thanks for sharing more background on it.
QPHashSS77 that’s a bit harsh. Nothing I said was at all offensive. I said that “I didn’t like her style” and that “no one cared about her form” which I still feel is accurate regardless of her knees. Gymnastics is a sport built on critiques and different styles. Just like everyone attacks Skinner. Even though I like her gymnastics. I didn’t go calling anyone a “coward” for having an opinion on Skinners gymnastics now did I? Take a seat.
@biggie TALLS i would have to examine more closely to see the form issues others see. I just did not enjoy watching her style. I did not watch gymnastics much in her day though, so watching back now, I have to remind myself of what was the highest level of tumbling being done. It is a shame what happened with her injuries though. I agree with you about Skinner. Her practice videos show some improvement, but it will be interesting to see if those show up in performance.
Youna Dufournet was Amazing !!!!
Excellent video.
why did all of the vault scores have a 0.1 penalty? almost none of them went out of bounds, i’m confused.
Back then, not landing with any feet on the middle line was a 0.1 penalty.
This has to be one of the worst examples of the commentator jinx of all time with Bross's floor routine.
It must be the shape of Rebecca’s legs but her knees always looked bent.
Do u remember which knee she blew out? Watch her land her vault here. Her right knee goes sideways when she lands. Scared me when they showed replay.
I think left idk though
Lol yes she always looked like a weirdo
She was what is referred to as “knock kneed” which is what caused that.
@@ashleyc8373at least she didn’t look like you- a subhuman.
I think anyone can see quite clearly that Tsurumi and Dufournet, although being obviously cleaner on bars and beam than the American duo, were actually marked lower on the E-score which is very significant as, starting precisely with these championships, there have been two separate systems of evaluation of execution (for Americans and for the rest of the world) at every major gymnastic meet, as if there were two separate E-panels of judges.
I think you are correct. I would say that the Americans should get few deductions for amplitude though, whereas Koko gets many.
If you ever manage to find real, legitimate proof of that garbage please feel free to share.
Oh god, to see Marvin Sharp and Larry Nassar kissing Bridget Sloan at 01:19:35 is such a cringe all these years later.
Edham. Matt Swann that's not Larry. It's her other coach, Fergus Beedham. He previously coached Beth Tweddle up until she was 12.
That doesn't look like Larry. That's one of her coaches.
@31:30 ....please explain how in 2009 a gymnast can be chosen to be on the 2018 USA team?🤔
JUST NOTICED THAT MISTAKE FROM TIM LMFAOO
@@Gymnastics-me8hu did he mean to say 2008?
@@cocobeebe
Yeah because that was when Simone Biles was not on the national team since she was on the 2018 Worlds and Bridget Sloan has retired along time ago so yeah it was such an odd mistake for anyone that's a huge fan of the sport especially Tim Daggett😂
he says “2008 team” not “2018”
@@ciaraogrady7903 oohhhh! Haha! Thanks for clearing that up!
you have the 2010 worlds quals??
No sorry because NBC didn't air qualifications at these Worlds
44:50 what she said was definitely a foreshadowing.
Bross' landing on her DTY was a little bit like, yikes! Just watch as her knees knock together when she lands! Tbh, it looks so damn painful!
Lol- I looked at this comment & just kept chuckling I thought you said her "DIY" routine- I was like "OHHH, that was one shady Buuuurn!" But you said "DTY"... I don't know why but I thought calling anything out of anyone's routine a "DIY" version- sounded like such a hilarious little dig! I might just go with it...
It’s what eventually led to her blowing out her knee unfortunately.
Nice winning your gold medal, Bridget Sloan.
Obnoxious commentators
The commentating is just so depressing and negative.