Real talk: I am legitimately checking the titles of these like 4-5 times and searching the names to make sure I'm remembering them correctly. Upside: Intel will look like heroes when they abandon these names after 1 generation. Watch our Intel Core Ultra 9 285K review here: ua-cam.com/video/XXLY8kEdR1c/v-deo.html Watch our Intel Core Ultra 5 245K review here: ua-cam.com/video/WxXZlONu4Ig/v-deo.html Watch our test bench setup for efficiency benchmarking here: ua-cam.com/video/nmK1rCyKbgQ/v-deo.html Support our work! store.gamersnexus.net/ or visit Patreon: www.patreon.com/gamersnexus
Why did they even decide to go with such a bizarre change is still completely unexplainable for me. I understand that they want something to change since they've been going to with the same naming scheme for the past what, 15 years? But I mean cmon... it's ridiculous how you want people to learn a completely new branding name of a product that is so incredibly disappointing compared to its predecessor!
I would need lots of ethanol to make a purchasing decision for Arrowlake. But only time I've ever used it enough to make the decision would have been when I was a child and didn't understand why adults had a different fruit salad. Edit: Fixed grammar, by adding an indefinite article.
@@CaptnKrksNippls I don't think that's the point. It doesn't *need* to be that much better to be a success, it just needs to be better than the previous. Even if that's stagnation, it doesn't really have competition as of right now.
@@GamersNexus I'm proud of you. Do a comparison to i3-12100f. Intel has dropped the ball hard since, nothing is worth our hard earned money since 2022, even the i5-12400f cost per frame ain't all that hot compared to the i3-12100f.
@@GamersNexus i think it would be more accurate to have the graphs ranked by best 1% lows not the average. Having better 1% lows is kinda much more important. that is where the hardware matters and determines smoothness. What are your thoughts?
@@GamersNexus The effort is beyond appreciated. Covering studs and duds equally means consumers can make the best possible decision due to your effort.
@@mbahmarijan789 That would be too time consuming and more lab expansion...plus, peripherals in general are a more personal choice than computer cases and other computer parts. That would be asking them to do RGB comparisons of various computer parts. Do you like fan hub LEDs or ring around the fan LEDs or both?
They are still significantly worse than CPU naming schemes. Check Acer monitors. Also AMDs laptop chip naming schemes are much worse than Intel desktop.
Just dropping by to say: after a year of use, GN mug and mouse mat still look like new, quality products really. Bought the solder mat as well, also well made. Shipping to Europe is a bit pricey, but can recommend those items if you want to support quality content like this channel.
Yeah, 7800x3d just crossed over 2000pln in Poland. It used to go below 1400, so when I got it for 1530 in August, I wasn't thrilled about the price... until it became clear it was just starting to go up and I actually got a sweet deal all things considered
Is that better or worse than cold garbage? When does hot garbage become "liquefied garbage you find at the bottom of a dumpster on a hot day in the city?"
honestly i dont think its horrible. like, its worse, but its actually readable unlike the amd naming system with the decoder ring they gave to the press.
Intel: "it's more efficient!" AMD: "sure, but the 7800x3D draws far less and gets far more FPS in gaming!". Also hard to get excited about this if a 13700k can do better. The value proposition for Arrow Lake is pretty "meh" right now relative to AMD.
@@Gadtkaz Honestly, 12th gen was good for Intel, 12700 non k barely drew any power and was a solid performer: now they are just throwing power at the problem or regressing from previous gens. Until they fix their problems, AMD is the optimal choice either for gaming (x3D) or productivity (9950x).
I don't mind drawing more power as long as it makes a difference. Personally, I find efficiency useless as long it's drawing the power it needs to perform properly, and if that means more power, than so be it.
@@michaelbuto305 I don't pick my products by power efficiency. I pick my products by how they perform. From what I seen those power-hungry Intel chips wipe the floor with AMD chips the majority of the time as AMD can do the same thing minority of the time depending on use case. Intel does seem to be lacking in the gaming category.
@@AphillyatedYT They dropped the name because the old 1gen 2gen 3gen thing got a tiny bit tainted from the *cough* bullshit. Rebrand and try again. It helps because people like you have no idea what's going on. 5800x3d isn't just 2 years old, it's 2 years old, on old DDR4, and if you ask intel, it's 3 generations behind. So yeah intel better release something better soon but guess what, there is zero chance that happens.
This release sounds like what should have been a proof of concept engineering sample. It's like they felt they had to release something, anything to put the instability debacle behind them.
I agree, and I’d extend this idea: yearly release cycles are stupid. They force massive amounts of material, time and money to be wasted on sub-par products, just to make dividends for shareholders.
They had to release this because of the dying Raptor-lake CPUs, they cannot afford to keep those on the market. The supposed bios fixes are all delay tactic. The sad part is they released it on a new platform that offers very little new compared to the old LGA1700.
Like PowellCat745 says, you probably should've waited. At the least, the pre-release reviews would give you an idea on whether to wait or not. If the 9800X3D is better then the 7800X3D should go down, but if not... then you buy it then. Oh well, woulda, coulda, shoulda! 😅
@@PowellCat745Honestly? Because it will be quite sone time before the 9800X3D reaches the price point of the 7800X3D. After all, the current 7800X3D price is very different from the launch price.
@@PowellCat745Also, it's available now and is rock solid and super stable. Whereas the new launch. may have some teething issues. And it may be a while until the part's availability becomes reasonable.
Well, you see, we'd do one -- but Intel just has a lot more Ks than AMD, and frankly, we're not sure that's a fair test. We need to transpose Ks and Xs to a common, shared root.
@@GamersNexus K is just an X with a straightened side so they can be treated as equivalents of one another. Now, if one of them was using Ms, those are clearly twice the value of Xs or Ks, a clear generational uplift they aren't able to get yet
Is it insane? With how 13th and 14th gen shatting all over the place with failures and barely any improvements, I think it isn't a surprise that their brand new barely power savings arch has such middling performance for a new product. It'll be 2-4 more years or another arch before we see Intel have a chance to claw their way back.
@@be0wulfmarshallz I mean, before ryzen, we used to see a 2 core pentium beating an FX that had 8 cores, seeing AMD winning at gaming AND productivity really is insane to me
Yes, the sand could be used far better places. For example, on the floor of your car where it can create demand for vacuum cleaners, or in a swimsuit where it can cause pain and discomfort
I really appreciate you guys keeping up testing results for multiple generations of CPUs instead of just comparing the latest ones. It's nice seeing how my CPU fares
yup it's shit. better off ordering online via a retailer that shows nz currency & ships here. trademe is not much better our mentality over here is scalp like and charge gold for shit
$1099aud here in Brisbane right now for that. 7800x3d is $658aud right now. I seriously was || that close to dropping on a 265kf with a gigabyte eagle but dunno. I may get a run out discounted 14th gen i5/i7 to upgrade my 13400 instead.
just depends on what you're using it for. most of the time the 285k beats it . occasionally the 5800x3d does better on games. for non game stuff the 285k CRUSHES the 5800x3d with 2-3X the performance vs the 5800x3d.
@@nocommentarygaming2644285k beats the 9950x in a lot of games and ties it in productivity/multi threaded workloads. Yes it's actually competitive for a very specific use case: people who want to have high performance gaming and also the best multi threaded power available. It is worth the extra power draw though? Well that depends who you ask, id personally rather have the 9950x since I don't care about gaming.
Intel should've done a Sandy to Ivy Bridge transition for Arrow Lake. A 3nm 15900K monolithic die based on RL would've been more performant. I also find it amusing that the firesale prices on the 13700K that was going for $249 suddenly went away just before Arrow Lake reviews started to come out.
Totally agree, was thinking that when everything launched, I'd bet a 14900k on a better node undervolted wouldve been better than this, I know there's more to it than that but this is depressing performance.
@@ThatChannel48 That also would be super expensive! $1200 to $1500 for 15900k would be bad! Remember that arrow lake use cheap nodes everywhere where highend Node is not needed! That makes the highend Node smaller and smaller means less errors and that means cheaper price! Monolith 15900k was no go economically!
Imo Intel should get away from the big little princip and give the cpus more Cache and that based on a monolith. And then maybe some more P Cores, That could have been a gaming beast. Pretty sad..
@@iequalsnoob its not 2000 dood, it takes 5-6 generations to get near a 100% upgrade. So yes it will last him quite awhile. The fact is even older gens then that can still be used today, It's sad how slowly were crawling up the wall, now.
What I took away from those charts is not only is AM5 kicking its behind in most tests but AM4 is still the budget baller king, getting good FPS per watt on a much MUCH cheaper platform.
Everyone's talking about X3D chips, but man those 5800X non 3D results are impressive, it sits basically on par with Zen 4 CPUs in some games tested. I wonder what could be the reason. Maybe the properly tuned DDR4 memory? Or maybe just the selection of games not benefitting from DDR5 or Zen 4 in general? I remember there being a bigger difference between Zen 3 and Zen 4. Amazing review as always anyway.
Single CCD config, GPU bottleneck and the fact that Zen 4 did basically nothing to increase IPC. The last time i watched my i7-12700K now 3 years old it's around the 7700X in perfomance per watt on games. This is the IPC order: Zen 5 X3D > Zen 4 X3D > Raptor Lake & Alder Lake = Zen 5 = Zen 3 X3D (?) > Zen 4 > Arrow Lake > Zen 3
Not gonna lie, as someone who primarily uses my pc for gaming, getting my 7800x3d a few months ago for €390 feels like a bargain compared to this gens offerings thus far.
Thats my current cpu, bought in august of 2020 for 160. Will prolly last me another year. Then a upgrade to 9800x3d with a 5000 series gpu if they are decent.
Upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x3d for a budget tier $180 total a couple months ago. Looking at the cost of current CPUs I'd only have gotten a modest increase in performance while paying more than double for the CPU, plus needing a new motherboard and RAM, making the total platform upgrade easily 4 to 5 times more expensive than the 5700x3D alone. That's insane.
Thanks for all the reviews !, decided to upgrade my 12400 to 14600k for a little bit of cash after the resale of the 12400. Will wait this generation out before making a whole new pc.
As someone that uses a PC for mainly office work and youtube videos, while gaming at most 1hr per day.[game only on weekends] I would appreciate that in future regarding power consumption, idle power will be included as well. Thank you.
@@biomagic8959I'm not sure anyone can say that without definitively knowing what their profit margins are. Also, depending on how well these sell (or dont sell) at OEM and retail, they may not have much choice - or retail channel may not, at least. The Arc cards werent exactly very profitable for Intel, either, given how much they had to cut pricing even with the dies using quite a bit of silicon for their class.
Thank you for all of your great comprehensive benchmarks. So much better than the usual "game top fps/zip/photoshop/done" reviews. Also, I greatly appreciate including FFXIV in your benchmarks. Thanks for that!
You guys should run the Arrow Lake chips against their Raptor Lake equivalents with hyperthreading off so we can see a "we have Arrow Lake at home" graph
Thanks for the video. I'm about to build a new computer with focus on virtualization (VirtualBox/VMWare) aside with some gaming and day to day stuff, should I go with Intel or AMD? Wondering what test is a good comparison to it? Blender, compression, gaming? Since Intel removed the hyper threading thing I'm not sure what to search for.
I saw benchmarks just yesterday on virtualization that put the 285K on top. And for compiling software on Linux, too. The "Virtualization" benchmark was on techpowerup and the software compilation benchmarks were on Phoronix. Despite all of the bluster from the gaming crowd, the latest Intel has top performance in a lot of non-gaming benchmarks.
If you live near a Microcenter, the 5700x3D is often on sale for even less. It was on sale for $180 about a week ago, but now it's at $190. Crazy value if that's an option for you.
Steve, Can you guys get 7950x3D on these charts, as it is still in some games can win against 7800x3D and is also a much closer counterpart to other Intel multi-core CPUs than some other AMD multi-cores. It is still such a good CPU, and I think it is a disservice to these comparison videos. I saw this CPU missing for a while now.
The 7950X3D is worse than the 7800X3D in nearly every single gaming test we run. It is worse than the 7950X in nearly every production test we run. For us, especially because we don't recommend it, it is not a good use of time or chart space that could accommodate parts which are more meaningfully different. You can look at the 7800X3D and know roughly the maximum performance of the 7950X3D (though it is sometimes worse), and likewise, you can look at the 7950X and know roughly the maximum production performance (it is often worse in our tests).
Thank you, Steve, for these reviews, this is very generous of you to release this work for free. This a great service for the community who now can make informed buying decisions.
I'm about to overkill on my 1080p gaming setup, but I'm planning for the future. My 4790k can't keep up with most newer titles I want to enjoy. I've used this chip for like 6-7yrs. It's been a good run. Hopefully the 7800X3D can carry me even further.
Great review as always Steve and team! One question. Why have you decided not to add another decimal to the numbers on the Effeciency chart? Seeing the 285k and 265k both score a 1.1 for Frames per Joule, yet the graphs looking significantly different, is a bit jarring. Is it just the nature of that test being that the extra precision is not really meaningful enough, or accurate enough to show the true difference in your calculations due to the uncertainty in true CPU draw across all of the different rails?
They messed up the chiplet design of Meteor Lake which carried over to Arrow Lake. Their situation is even worse than AMD 10 years ago because they don't even have a well running GPU business to help them survive.
I really would love to see a cpu crushing game in the benchmarks - Anno 1800 with a late savegame would do the trick, I think computerbase is using a savegame with a population of 65,000 and there are savegames with even more citizen. Other than that: nice review, as always 👍
Upgrading my computer to more modern parts is inpossible (over ten years old, newest part is the psu lol) so I'm buying an Amd cpu/gpu with a micro center sale today. Gonna grab a 7800x3d given how intel has ben the last...well while. Gonna grab a fractal design North for my case. Thanks for all the help directly and indirectly in making decisions GN!
if Intel cares about gaming, they need to cut prices of their new CPUs by $150 and Motherboards by $50. otherwise they have to rely on system integrators and productivity customers to sell their stock.
Game developers write bad software. X3D is a purpose-built workaround. When cache size isn't enough to save the day, the 7800X3D stops winning. Don't be misled by the "1080p lowest setting" benchmarks. They force a CPU bottleneck where there normally wouldn't be one because, otherwise, benchmark performance would be entirely GPU-driven.
Real talk: I am legitimately checking the titles of these like 4-5 times and searching the names to make sure I'm remembering them correctly. Upside: Intel will look like heroes when they abandon these names after 1 generation.
Watch our Intel Core Ultra 9 285K review here: ua-cam.com/video/XXLY8kEdR1c/v-deo.html
Watch our Intel Core Ultra 5 245K review here: ua-cam.com/video/WxXZlONu4Ig/v-deo.html
Watch our test bench setup for efficiency benchmarking here: ua-cam.com/video/nmK1rCyKbgQ/v-deo.html
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To me it's still 15th Gen.
@@PlantainSupernova The kind of petty the world needs more of!
When a CPU video from Gamers Nexus is shorter than a video about computer cases, you know it can't be good news for the company making the CPU
@@henrythegreatamerican8136 One requires billions of transistors and the other is actually innovative and moves the industry forward!
Why did they even decide to go with such a bizarre change is still completely unexplainable for me. I understand that they want something to change since they've been going to with the same naming scheme for the past what, 15 years? But I mean cmon... it's ridiculous how you want people to learn a completely new branding name of a product that is so incredibly disappointing compared to its predecessor!
There are chemical compounds with shorter names
Going to need a good dihydrogen monoxide cooling setup for these CPUs.
😂😂😂
Intel is IUPAC safe
I would need lots of ethanol to make a purchasing decision for Arrowlake. But only time I've ever used it enough to make the decision would have been when I was a child and didn't understand why adults had a different fruit salad.
Edit: Fixed grammar, by adding an indefinite article.
You don't need sodium pentanol to say that's true 🤔🤣
Man the 9800x3d has its pathway to success paved in gold already with this competition. It would be impressive at this point if AMD messed it up.
Do not challange amd
Look at Zen 5%. Should we expect any better?
@@t1e6x12 counter point look at the 7800x3d. Add 5% to that and tell me where on the gaming chart it would land?
@@alexmills1329 Just because it would be on top doesn't mean it's the jump people are hoping for.
@@CaptnKrksNippls I don't think that's the point. It doesn't *need* to be that much better to be a success, it just needs to be better than the previous. Even if that's stagnation, it doesn't really have competition as of right now.
404 value cannot be found is a deep burn
I was proud of that one
@@GamersNexus I'm proud of you. Do a comparison to i3-12100f. Intel has dropped the ball hard since, nothing is worth our hard earned money since 2022, even the i5-12400f cost per frame ain't all that hot compared to the i3-12100f.
@@GamersNexus i think it would be more accurate to have the graphs ranked by best 1% lows not the average. Having better 1% lows is kinda much more important. that is where the hardware matters and determines smoothness. What are your thoughts?
These Error Lake based CPUs truly are something :)
@@chuckwow3302 That's the one I have, peak value (for intel anyway).
Hell yes. Your team’s effort on this is so incredibly helpful for the community. Thanks!
Thank you! We love working on these big launches, even if the products are kind of duds sometimes. Lots of fun to try new testing.
@@GamersNexus The effort is beyond appreciated. Covering studs and duds equally means consumers can make the best possible decision due to your effort.
KEK
please do the same level of effort, benchmarking and or reviewing audio pheripherals
@@mbahmarijan789 That would be too time consuming and more lab expansion...plus, peripherals in general are a more personal choice than computer cases and other computer parts. That would be asking them to do RGB comparisons of various computer parts. Do you like fan hub LEDs or ring around the fan LEDs or both?
"Thanks Steve"
I promise to put the meme in the laser and mechanical testing of the Intel ILMs video.
@@GamersNexus can you make us some merch with it or on it etc. 😅
🤣🤣🤣
@@mz1929It needs to be with a cartoon Snowflake in front of a bowl full of cat food
@@GamersNexusneed to make it a shirt
Jeez, I thought monitor naming schemes were bad...
They still are, they just have competition now 😁
THE GREATEST TECHNICIAN THAT'S EVER LIVED
They still are much worse
They are still significantly worse than CPU naming schemes. Check Acer monitors. Also AMDs laptop chip naming schemes are much worse than Intel desktop.
Just dropping by to say: after a year of use, GN mug and mouse mat still look like new, quality products really. Bought the solder mat as well, also well made. Shipping to Europe is a bit pricey, but can recommend those items if you want to support quality content like this channel.
I can concur this with the mouse mat (I don't own the other item)
Error Lake in full swing.
😂
Arrow in the knee Lake
CORE ULTRA TRASH
lmao on par with the 9k disappointment
That blue screen cracked me up
Very nice of you to make Intel feel at home in this review with a BSOD in the background. So caring
Windows is Microsoft...
@@2hotscot ?
@@2hotscot so true!
@@ZylonFPV Windows (by Microsoft) has always had the BSOD, not an Intel thing.
3D stacking technology was such a great achievement and a big win for AMD
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Intel still has a long way to go. They need to fix their pipeline efficiency before even trying to stuff more cache.
Core Ultra is also 3D stacked, the comute, SoC and GPU tiles sit on top of a base silicon tile.
Arrow Lake release is so bad, it drove up prices for the AM5 and Raptor Lake CPU's.
wrong
@@iequalsnoob CRY ME A RIVER
Yeah, 7800x3d just crossed over 2000pln in Poland. It used to go below 1400, so when I got it for 1530 in August, I wasn't thrilled about the price... until it became clear it was just starting to go up and I actually got a sweet deal all things considered
Somehow I get happier and happier with my Aldur Lake.
The new naming scheme is hot garbage
Is that better or worse than cold garbage? When does hot garbage become "liquefied garbage you find at the bottom of a dumpster on a hot day in the city?"
and AMD will follow it up in a heartbeat lmao.
@@GamersNexus During summer, and that smell spreads fast like a gas bomb thanks to all that methane
honestly i dont think its horrible. like, its worse, but its actually readable unlike the amd naming system with the decoder ring they gave to the press.
Ultra hot garbage
Intel: "it's more efficient!"
AMD: "sure, but the 7800x3D draws far less and gets far more FPS in gaming!". Also hard to get excited about this if a 13700k can do better. The value proposition for Arrow Lake is pretty "meh" right now relative to AMD.
Esp if the rumors are correct about there only being 1 generation before they kill the socket.
@@Gadtkaz Honestly, 12th gen was good for Intel, 12700 non k barely drew any power and was a solid performer: now they are just throwing power at the problem or regressing from previous gens. Until they fix their problems, AMD is the optimal choice either for gaming (x3D) or productivity (9950x).
I don't mind drawing more power as long as it makes a difference. Personally, I find efficiency useless as long it's drawing the power it needs to perform properly, and if that means more power, than so be it.
@@jamesm568 Market will decide.
@@michaelbuto305 I don't pick my products by power efficiency. I pick my products by how they perform. From what I seen those power-hungry Intel chips wipe the floor with AMD chips the majority of the time as AMD can do the same thing minority of the time depending on use case. Intel does seem to be lacking in the gaming category.
Intel is still struggling to fight against the 5800x3d for gaming(and for efficiency), a 2 year old cpu
its not a gaming cpu thats why it has a different name they will drop more gaming oriented cpus soon
@@AphillyatedYT lmao
@@AphillyatedYTCore Ultra 290, 270 and 250 wtih additional 200mhz in a turbo boost, right?
@@AphillyatedYTThe burst-y overclocking focused parts are the parts that benefit gaming worloads the most. Both, server hosting and game execution.
@@AphillyatedYT They dropped the name because the old 1gen 2gen 3gen thing got a tiny bit tainted from the *cough* bullshit.
Rebrand and try again. It helps because people like you have no idea what's going on.
5800x3d isn't just 2 years old, it's 2 years old, on old DDR4, and if you ask intel, it's 3 generations behind.
So yeah intel better release something better soon but guess what, there is zero chance that happens.
This release sounds like what should have been a proof of concept engineering sample. It's like they felt they had to release something, anything to put the instability debacle behind them.
Best take on it, really true
I agree, and I’d extend this idea: yearly release cycles are stupid. They force massive amounts of material, time and money to be wasted on sub-par products, just to make dividends for shareholders.
exactly what this is
They had to release this because of the dying Raptor-lake CPUs, they cannot afford to keep those on the market. The supposed bios fixes are all delay tactic. The sad part is they released it on a new platform that offers very little new compared to the old LGA1700.
The last review made me go out and buy a 7800X3D to upgrade from my 11700K.. Worth it!
Why? The 9800X3D will be available on Nov 7.
Like PowellCat745 says, you probably should've waited. At the least, the pre-release reviews would give you an idea on whether to wait or not. If the 9800X3D is better then the 7800X3D should go down, but if not... then you buy it then. Oh well, woulda, coulda, shoulda! 😅
@@PowellCat745Honestly? Because it will be quite sone time before the 9800X3D reaches the price point of the 7800X3D. After all, the current 7800X3D price is very different from the launch price.
@@PowellCat745Also, it's available now and is rock solid and super stable. Whereas the new launch. may have some teething issues. And it may be a while until the part's availability becomes reasonable.
@@ShroudedWolf51 What? The 7800X3D literally costs more than the MSRP right now. The 9800X3D is $450-$500. You’re paying a lot for less.
BSOD in background, classic
Intel is still trying to one-up those idiots at CrowdStrike in the 2024 Moron Olympics after all.
Lmfao
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Hey Steve, can we get a number of Ks graph? The number of Xs graph was so helpful in the 7900 video. Thanks Steve
Well, you see, we'd do one -- but Intel just has a lot more Ks than AMD, and frankly, we're not sure that's a fair test. We need to transpose Ks and Xs to a common, shared root.
@@GamersNexuswtf
@@GamersNexus You, my good man, are sleep deprived! 🤣
@@GamersNexus lol!
@@GamersNexus K is just an X with a straightened side so they can be treated as equivalents of one another.
Now, if one of them was using Ms, those are clearly twice the value of Xs or Ks, a clear generational uplift they aren't able to get yet
AMD consistently topping each chart here is insane
Is it insane? With how 13th and 14th gen shatting all over the place with failures and barely any improvements, I think it isn't a surprise that their brand new barely power savings arch has such middling performance for a new product. It'll be 2-4 more years or another arch before we see Intel have a chance to claw their way back.
@@be0wulfmarshallz I mean, before ryzen, we used to see a 2 core pentium beating an FX that had 8 cores, seeing AMD winning at gaming AND productivity really is insane to me
AMD had no competition for too long.
Please make this the last one, let's stop doing this to sand that could have been used for something beneficial.
Yes, the sand could be used far better places. For example, on the floor of your car where it can create demand for vacuum cleaners, or in a swimsuit where it can cause pain and discomfort
Anakin would agree. @@GamersNexus
@@GamersNexus Anakin?! lol
Intel will need it to sandbag harder for the next launch 😅
The BSOD in the background really fits the vibe of the new Intel launch 👌
"Don't buy."
"Thanks Steve."
I really appreciate you guys keeping up testing results for multiple generations of CPUs instead of just comparing the latest ones. It's nice seeing how my CPU fares
Anyone who picked up a 7800x3D back in May for $320 is feeling real good right now...
I just checked pricing here in NZ. The 285k (top chip) is almost $1200. The 7800x3d is $799. WTF.
yup it's shit. better off ordering online via a retailer that shows nz currency & ships here. trademe is not much better our mentality over here is scalp like and charge gold for shit
You people pay through the nose in taxes I believe
@@P7ab No tax except 15% VAT/GST.
At least you have the consolation of living in NZ, seems like an awesome place.
$1099aud here in Brisbane right now for that. 7800x3d is $658aud right now. I seriously was || that close to dropping on a 265kf with a gigabyte eagle but dunno. I may get a run out discounted 14th gen i5/i7 to upgrade my 13400 instead.
When a 5800X3D remains a better chip despite its age than Intel's crap.
It's been great. Glad I made the switch :)
For gaming, yes
just depends on what you're using it for. most of the time the 285k beats it . occasionally the 5800x3d does better on games. for non game stuff the 285k CRUSHES the 5800x3d with 2-3X the performance vs the 5800x3d.
@@jebes909090 But then again, there are better options for non-gaming stuff than 285k, too.
When people still compare non gaming targeted CPUs against low core count gaming specific chips in gaming benchmarks only....
Love the BSOD background in the intro -- fitting for this review
Intel likes the color blue
so the 14th gen had no step up on the 13th gen, and the new ultra chips have no step up if not just worse than the 14th gen?
In a nut shell......yea
pretty much, yes.
Not in gaming, productivity is at least some improvement over 14th gen and a bit of efficiency (but still far behind AMD).
@@nocommentarygaming2644285k beats the 9950x in a lot of games and ties it in productivity/multi threaded workloads. Yes it's actually competitive for a very specific use case: people who want to have high performance gaming and also the best multi threaded power available. It is worth the extra power draw though? Well that depends who you ask, id personally rather have the 9950x since I don't care about gaming.
11th gen was worse than 10th gen too. Intel does that all the time.
I love the BSOD screen at the background
What is most embarrassing here is that Zen+ on 14nm is more efficient in some tests that Intel's 3nm. What the hell man hahahaha
That would be *12nm for Zen+
This is made using TSMC 3nm, not Intel 3.
This is Intel's Piledriver, Meteor Lake is Bulldozer.
Intel should've done a Sandy to Ivy Bridge transition for Arrow Lake. A 3nm 15900K monolithic die based on RL would've been more performant. I also find it amusing that the firesale prices on the 13700K that was going for $249 suddenly went away just before Arrow Lake reviews started to come out.
Totally agree, was thinking that when everything launched, I'd bet a 14900k on a better node undervolted wouldve been better than this, I know there's more to it than that but this is depressing performance.
@@ThatChannel48
That also would be super expensive!
$1200 to $1500 for 15900k would be bad!
Remember that arrow lake use cheap nodes everywhere where highend Node is not needed! That makes the highend Node smaller and smaller means less errors and that means cheaper price!
Monolith 15900k was no go economically!
Imo Intel should get away from the big little princip and give the cpus more Cache and that based on a monolith. And then maybe some more P Cores, That could have been a gaming beast. Pretty sad..
When overclocked ultra 285k is faster than the 14900k with lower power consumption so there is that
Even need not N3B. Just N4P would be sufficient.
i'm still happy with my AM4 5800X build and a GTX-1060.
Mine is 5700X with GT1030. No gaming, ofc. Happy with it.
5600X and 1070TI. No need to upgrade as I game in 60 Hz.
5600x + 3060Ti, still impressed with how awesome it performs
10400f + 3050, it's incredible for a cheapskate like me.
Even the 4 years old 5800X beat the 285K multiple times. Both in performance and efficiency!
Looks like my 5700x3d will carry me for a while longer haha.
Thank you for your work on this Steve & company!
lmao not as long as you think
@@iequalsnoob Cry me a river
@@iequalsnoob cry more buddy
@@iequalsnoob way longer than you think lmao noob
@@iequalsnoob its not 2000 dood, it takes 5-6 generations to get near a 100% upgrade. So yes it will last him quite awhile. The fact is even older gens then that can still be used today, It's sad how slowly were crawling up the wall, now.
The blue screen of death in the background is rather apropos for this CPU launch.
Oh boy, been waiting for this. Thanks, Tech Jesus.
I love arrows in the B-roll clips, very tasteful
I only just noticed them.
What I took away from those charts is not only is AM5 kicking its behind in most tests but AM4 is still the budget baller king, getting good FPS per watt on a much MUCH cheaper platform.
Waiting for this. Thanks Steve.
Edit:
Am I hearing Steve keep saying "Error Lake"? Well its understandable
0:44 Love the BSOD on the center monitor in the background.
2:31 LOL! That was absolutely brilliant! Hahaha.
thanks burke.
Thanks, Zapdos!
Every video of these I see I'm more happy I built my last PC on the AM5 platform and will be buying AMD for the foreseeable future.
Intel:
Make better products❌
Release garbage to make competition look more attractive😍✅
I guess they made the model number smaller to not mislead customers to thinking it's any better than last gen. Thanks for being honest, Intel.
Everyone's talking about X3D chips, but man those 5800X non 3D results are impressive, it sits basically on par with Zen 4 CPUs in some games tested. I wonder what could be the reason. Maybe the properly tuned DDR4 memory? Or maybe just the selection of games not benefitting from DDR5 or Zen 4 in general? I remember there being a bigger difference between Zen 3 and Zen 4. Amazing review as always anyway.
Single CCD config, GPU bottleneck and the fact that Zen 4 did basically nothing to increase IPC.
The last time i watched my i7-12700K now 3 years old it's around the 7700X in perfomance per watt on games.
This is the IPC order: Zen 5 X3D > Zen 4 X3D > Raptor Lake & Alder Lake = Zen 5 = Zen 3 X3D (?) > Zen 4 > Arrow Lake > Zen 3
Staying with my 5800X3D is still a good idea. Gotcha. Message sent.
I'm ready for the 9800X3D as the 5800X3D is too damn slow with Microsoft Flight Simulator.
Steve, I appreciate the small blue screen detail in the background to truly sell the train wreck this launch was, lol. Great job, as always.
This makes me feel great about my 7800X3D (as a gamer)
That central screen behind Steve was just the visual summery of the launch.
The Three Stooges reincarnated into CPUs. What a time to be alive.
Not gonna lie, as someone who primarily uses my pc for gaming, getting my 7800x3d a few months ago for €390 feels like a bargain compared to this gens offerings thus far.
The real question is whether they've successfully eliminated the copper oxide extension set. That feature was DOA.
This new naming scheme is going to grind my gears 4 years
Who made the hand crafted bug used in the coaster b-roll shots? That's really cool, you guys should sell those too ;)
There is goes again. That Ryzen 5 3600 STILL pulling its weight. It's like the 1080ti. It's going to be on those charts everytime....And relevant.
Thats my current cpu, bought in august of 2020 for 160. Will prolly last me another year. Then a upgrade to 9800x3d with a 5000 series gpu if they are decent.
I built such a setup for my niece and she was very happy.
@@CeeJayCeeJjay X3Ds and 3600-5600 is the best thing AMD made
3600 and 5800X3D are the new 2500k. Beasts
Still on a 3700X myself. It's still trucking. As is my 3080.
I'm thinking I'm going to put off my upgrade to next year.
Arrowlake has the same energy as Bulldozer.
I'm still amazed that they managed to make the naming scheme even more convoluted than before
interesting, thanks GN, back to you Steve
Upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x3d for a budget tier $180 total a couple months ago.
Looking at the cost of current CPUs I'd only have gotten a modest increase in performance while paying more than double for the CPU, plus needing a new motherboard and RAM, making the total platform upgrade easily 4 to 5 times more expensive than the 5700x3D alone.
That's insane.
I wonder why these charts mostly do not include AMD 9900 and 7900 CPUs, despite them being the direct competitors in terms of price.
Ah apparently they are redoing the chart for the new windows update and had to pick and choose which units to test.
Thanks for all the reviews !, decided to upgrade my 12400 to 14600k for a little bit of cash after the resale of the 12400. Will wait this generation out before making a whole new pc.
As someone that uses a PC for mainly office work and youtube videos, while gaming at most 1hr per day.[game only on weekends] I would appreciate that in future regarding power consumption, idle power will be included as well. Thank you.
I once again reiterate how happy I am that I went with a 7800X3D instead of waiting two weeks for Arrow Lake lol
the price must be way cheaper to recommend these chips.
it's made on cutting edge node, so the sad thing is it can't be any cheaper
@@biomagic8959I'm not sure anyone can say that without definitively knowing what their profit margins are. Also, depending on how well these sell (or dont sell) at OEM and retail, they may not have much choice - or retail channel may not, at least. The Arc cards werent exactly very profitable for Intel, either, given how much they had to cut pricing even with the dies using quite a bit of silicon for their class.
@@biomagic8959then I guess it'll be paperweight on shelves...
Not going to happen. Arrow Lake is far too expensive to produce.
Wow. They sat the processor next to arrows in the b-roll. Because the lineup is called "Arrow Lake." Bravo, GN.
The model names are so confusing that I thought you were reuploading the previous video.
Thank you for all of your great comprehensive benchmarks. So much better than the usual "game top fps/zip/photoshop/done" reviews. Also, I greatly appreciate including FFXIV in your benchmarks. Thanks for that!
You guys should run the Arrow Lake chips against their Raptor Lake equivalents with hyperthreading off so we can see a "we have Arrow Lake at home" graph
I love the shade of “Name is fine and won’t cause any problems.” God I love this show.
Thanks for the video.
I'm about to build a new computer with focus on virtualization (VirtualBox/VMWare) aside with some gaming and day to day stuff, should I go with Intel or AMD? Wondering what test is a good comparison to it? Blender, compression, gaming? Since Intel removed the hyper threading thing I'm not sure what to search for.
I saw benchmarks just yesterday on virtualization that put the 285K on top. And for compiling software on Linux, too.
The "Virtualization" benchmark was on techpowerup and the software compilation benchmarks were on Phoronix.
Despite all of the bluster from the gaming crowd, the latest Intel has top performance in a lot of non-gaming benchmarks.
Get the 9950X then.
Love the actual arrows next to the CPUs!
That's a heck of a $99 CPU.
If you live near a Microcenter, the 5700x3D is often on sale for even less. It was on sale for $180 about a week ago, but now it's at $190. Crazy value if that's an option for you.
Steve,
Can you guys get 7950x3D on these charts, as it is still in some games can win against 7800x3D and is also a much closer counterpart to other Intel multi-core CPUs than some other AMD multi-cores.
It is still such a good CPU, and I think it is a disservice to these comparison videos. I saw this CPU missing for a while now.
The 7950X3D is worse than the 7800X3D in nearly every single gaming test we run. It is worse than the 7950X in nearly every production test we run. For us, especially because we don't recommend it, it is not a good use of time or chart space that could accommodate parts which are more meaningfully different. You can look at the 7800X3D and know roughly the maximum performance of the 7950X3D (though it is sometimes worse), and likewise, you can look at the 7950X and know roughly the maximum production performance (it is often worse in our tests).
@@GamersNexus Can you include the 4770K in the charts too, so that I can compare what I currently use....!
Thank you, Steve, for these reviews, this is very generous of you to release this work for free. This a great service for the community who now can make informed buying decisions.
You think the advertisers and YT don't pay them? Lol
the bug at 2:59 looks insanely good where can I get one?
I'm about to overkill on my 1080p gaming setup, but I'm planning for the future. My 4790k can't keep up with most newer titles I want to enjoy. I've used this chip for like 6-7yrs. It's been a good run. Hopefully the 7800X3D can carry me even further.
Who remembers sandy bridge through kaby lake where we had 3-5% increases for 4c parts? I would welcome those kinda of gains. Lol
Yeah, AMD and Intel switched sides. Now AMD are the ones making 5% gains per generation while Intel is going through their Bulldozer arc.
Great review: thank you!
Intel: The performance increase You can literally see it!
Gamer Nexus: sure buddy!
Intel : back to you Steve 😁
Steve : 😡
Thank you so much for constantly bringing us such amazing content and for being so honest in your reviews
Intel seems to try to sell performance regression as the new hot shit on the hardware market
Intel Piledriver, Meteor Lake is Bulldozer.
Great review as always Steve and team! One question. Why have you decided not to add another decimal to the numbers on the Effeciency chart? Seeing the 285k and 265k both score a 1.1 for Frames per Joule, yet the graphs looking significantly different, is a bit jarring. Is it just the nature of that test being that the extra precision is not really meaningful enough, or accurate enough to show the true difference in your calculations due to the uncertainty in true CPU draw across all of the different rails?
Until today the last time I considered buying an AMD processor was when the Athlon 64 came out.
What the hell happened to Intel? 😔
They messed up the chiplet design of Meteor Lake which carried over to Arrow Lake. Their situation is even worse than AMD 10 years ago because they don't even have a well running GPU business to help them survive.
5800x3D still absolutely amazing!
the one and only source for solid testing, every other youtube channel is referencing your benchmarks! keep it up!!
I really would love to see a cpu crushing game in the benchmarks - Anno 1800 with a late savegame would do the trick, I think computerbase is using a savegame with a population of 65,000 and there are savegames with even more citizen.
Other than that: nice review, as always 👍
Oh man, you just destroyed this chip generation! The "Error Lake" moniker is going to stick even if they manage to iron out the issues later...
Upgrading my computer to more modern parts is inpossible (over ten years old, newest part is the psu lol) so I'm buying an Amd cpu/gpu with a micro center sale today. Gonna grab a 7800x3d given how intel has ben the last...well while. Gonna grab a fractal design North for my case. Thanks for all the help directly and indirectly in making decisions GN!
exited for my 7950x3d build!
why not wait for 9nnnX3D?
May i suggest Intel's next gen CPU architecture name to be Sinking Lake?
I kept hearing ERROR-Lake instead of arrow lake. Joining the Ryzen 5% and AM4ever.
the humor in these is getting better with every video. I love it
Soooooo just skip until they SUPER cut the price. Gotcha.
Intel out here telling AMD to get on the flush and climbing into the toilet
ERROR LAKE i heard 😂
if Intel cares about gaming, they need to cut prices of their new CPUs by $150 and Motherboards by $50. otherwise they have to rely on system integrators and productivity customers to sell their stock.
7800X3D still a beast as king of gaming CPU ever 😎👌
lmao it barely beats wins in most titles.
7800X3D had no competition already and Arrow Lake is just another dud. Sad!
Game developers write bad software. X3D is a purpose-built workaround.
When cache size isn't enough to save the day, the 7800X3D stops winning.
Don't be misled by the "1080p lowest setting" benchmarks. They force a CPU bottleneck where there normally wouldn't be one because, otherwise, benchmark performance would be entirely GPU-driven.
@23:04 i see what you did there. clever set dressing placement :) who's the archer at GN?
Now I’m curious, was there a hidden message in the arrow placement or something? Or did intel just take an arrow to the knee?