Intel Core Ultra 7 265K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 285K, 245K, 7800X3D, 7900X, & More

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  • Опубліковано 22 гру 2024

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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +525

    Real talk: I am legitimately checking the titles of these like 4-5 times and searching the names to make sure I'm remembering them correctly. Upside: Intel will look like heroes when they abandon these names after 1 generation.
    Watch our Intel Core Ultra 9 285K review here: ua-cam.com/video/XXLY8kEdR1c/v-deo.html
    Watch our Intel Core Ultra 5 245K review here: ua-cam.com/video/WxXZlONu4Ig/v-deo.html
    Watch our test bench setup for efficiency benchmarking here: ua-cam.com/video/nmK1rCyKbgQ/v-deo.html
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    • @PlantainSupernova
      @PlantainSupernova Місяць тому +71

      To me it's still 15th Gen.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +76

      @@PlantainSupernova The kind of petty the world needs more of!

    • @henrythegreatamerican8136
      @henrythegreatamerican8136 Місяць тому +34

      When a CPU video from Gamers Nexus is shorter than a video about computer cases, you know it can't be good news for the company making the CPU

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +45

      @@henrythegreatamerican8136 One requires billions of transistors and the other is actually innovative and moves the industry forward!

    • @TheUnf0rgiv3n
      @TheUnf0rgiv3n Місяць тому +6

      Why did they even decide to go with such a bizarre change is still completely unexplainable for me. I understand that they want something to change since they've been going to with the same naming scheme for the past what, 15 years? But I mean cmon... it's ridiculous how you want people to learn a completely new branding name of a product that is so incredibly disappointing compared to its predecessor!

  • @jagermeisterhots
    @jagermeisterhots Місяць тому +763

    404 value cannot be found is a deep burn

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +170

      I was proud of that one

    • @Just_do_the_thing
      @Just_do_the_thing Місяць тому +4

      @@GamersNexus i think it would be more accurate to have the graphs ranked by best 1% lows not the average. Having better 1% lows is kinda much more important. that is where the hardware matters and determines smoothness. What are your thoughts?

    • @MayaPosch
      @MayaPosch Місяць тому +4

      These Error Lake based CPUs truly are something :)

    • @yaldabaoth2
      @yaldabaoth2 Місяць тому +1

      @@chuckwow3302 That's the one I have, peak value (for intel anyway).

    • @TheKazragore
      @TheKazragore Місяць тому

      @@chuckwow3302 Value is great up to a point. Absolute performance is still important, so it depends on what you're doing with it, and what you're expecting from it.

  • @latso10
    @latso10 Місяць тому +1438

    There are chemical compounds with shorter names

    • @Cosmodjinn
      @Cosmodjinn Місяць тому +75

      Going to need a good dihydrogen monoxide cooling setup for these CPUs.

    • @WarkWarbly
      @WarkWarbly Місяць тому +5

      😂😂😂

    • @zivzulander
      @zivzulander Місяць тому +15

      Intel is IUPAC safe

    • @jouniosmala9921
      @jouniosmala9921 Місяць тому +10

      I would need lots of ethanol to make a purchasing decision for Arrowlake. But only time I've ever used it enough to make the decision would have been when I was a child and didn't understand why adults had a different fruit salad.
      Edit: Fixed grammar, by adding an indefinite article.

    • @gasracing5000
      @gasracing5000 Місяць тому +2

      You don't need sodium pentanol to say that's true 🤔🤣

  • @alexmills1329
    @alexmills1329 Місяць тому +899

    Man the 9800x3d has its pathway to success paved in gold already with this competition. It would be impressive at this point if AMD messed it up.

    • @AbbasDalal1000
      @AbbasDalal1000 Місяць тому +335

      Do not challange amd

    • @t1e6x12
      @t1e6x12 Місяць тому +53

      Look at Zen 5%. Should we expect any better?

    • @alexmills1329
      @alexmills1329 Місяць тому +168

      @@t1e6x12 counter point look at the 7800x3d. Add 5% to that and tell me where on the gaming chart it would land?

    • @CaptnKrksNippls
      @CaptnKrksNippls Місяць тому +47

      @@alexmills1329 Just because it would be on top doesn't mean it's the jump people are hoping for.

    • @Dwyriel
      @Dwyriel Місяць тому +87

      @@CaptnKrksNippls I don't think that's the point. It doesn't *need* to be that much better to be a success, it just needs to be better than the previous. Even if that's stagnation, it doesn't really have competition as of right now.

  • @GadgetryTech
    @GadgetryTech Місяць тому +360

    Hell yes. Your team’s effort on this is so incredibly helpful for the community. Thanks!

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +48

      Thank you! We love working on these big launches, even if the products are kind of duds sometimes. Lots of fun to try new testing.

    • @GadgetryTech
      @GadgetryTech Місяць тому +6

      ⁠@@GamersNexus The effort is beyond appreciated. Covering studs and duds equally means consumers can make the best possible decision due to your effort.

    • @CammyFi
      @CammyFi Місяць тому

      KEK

    • @mbahmarijan789
      @mbahmarijan789 Місяць тому

      please do the same level of effort, benchmarking and or reviewing audio pheripherals

    • @2hotscot
      @2hotscot Місяць тому

      @@mbahmarijan789 That would be too time consuming and more lab expansion...plus, peripherals in general are a more personal choice than computer cases and other computer parts. That would be asking them to do RGB comparisons of various computer parts. Do you like fan hub LEDs or ring around the fan LEDs or both?

  • @SalemTechsperts
    @SalemTechsperts Місяць тому +229

    Jeez, I thought monitor naming schemes were bad...

    • @zivzulander
      @zivzulander Місяць тому +31

      They still are, they just have competition now 😁

    • @KidsCartoon43-qt4pv
      @KidsCartoon43-qt4pv Місяць тому +16

      THE GREATEST TECHNICIAN THAT'S EVER LIVED

    • @Winnetou17
      @Winnetou17 Місяць тому +5

      They still are much worse

    • @username8644
      @username8644 Місяць тому +8

      They are still significantly worse than CPU naming schemes. Check Acer monitors. Also AMDs laptop chip naming schemes are much worse than Intel desktop.

    • @arkaneforyou
      @arkaneforyou Місяць тому +4

      The greatest comment that ever lived.

  • @januszoff
    @januszoff Місяць тому +97

    Just dropping by to say: after a year of use, GN mug and mouse mat still look like new, quality products really. Bought the solder mat as well, also well made. Shipping to Europe is a bit pricey, but can recommend those items if you want to support quality content like this channel.

    • @goldenhate6649
      @goldenhate6649 Місяць тому +3

      I can concur this with the mouse mat (I don't own the other item)

  • @mz1929
    @mz1929 Місяць тому +971

    "Thanks Steve"

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +176

      I promise to put the meme in the laser and mechanical testing of the Intel ILMs video.

    • @mz1929
      @mz1929 Місяць тому +28

      @@GamersNexus can you make us some merch with it or on it etc. 😅

    • @AakashKumar-tn6yh
      @AakashKumar-tn6yh Місяць тому +2

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @zivzulander
      @zivzulander Місяць тому +2

      ​@@mz1929It needs to be with a cartoon Snowflake in front of a bowl full of cat food

    • @wingscancer
      @wingscancer Місяць тому +1

      @@GamersNexusneed to make it a shirt

  • @ZylonFPV
    @ZylonFPV Місяць тому +94

    Very nice of you to make Intel feel at home in this review with a BSOD in the background. So caring

    • @2hotscot
      @2hotscot Місяць тому

      Windows is Microsoft...

    • @ZylonFPV
      @ZylonFPV Місяць тому +2

      @@2hotscot ?

    • @connivingkhajiit
      @connivingkhajiit Місяць тому

      @@2hotscot so true!

    • @2hotscot
      @2hotscot Місяць тому +1

      @@ZylonFPV Windows (by Microsoft) has always had the BSOD, not an Intel thing.

    • @DedmenMiller
      @DedmenMiller Місяць тому +1

      ​@@2hotscotthe point is that the CPU is causing blue screens. And the CPU is Intel.

  • @SilverKnight16
    @SilverKnight16 Місяць тому +566

    Error Lake in full swing.

    • @MDXZFR
      @MDXZFR Місяць тому +6

      😂

    • @korana6308
      @korana6308 Місяць тому +32

      Arrow in the knee Lake

    • @stepbruv8780
      @stepbruv8780 Місяць тому +23

      CORE ULTRA TRASH

    • @iequalsnoob
      @iequalsnoob Місяць тому +6

      lmao on par with the 9k disappointment

    • @PowellCat745
      @PowellCat745 Місяць тому +8

      That blue screen cracked me up

  • @hyperfocal2002
    @hyperfocal2002 Місяць тому +56

    This release sounds like what should have been a proof of concept engineering sample. It's like they felt they had to release something, anything to put the instability debacle behind them.

    • @waitandhope
      @waitandhope Місяць тому +4

      Best take on it, really true

    • @ThisIsEssKah
      @ThisIsEssKah Місяць тому +18

      I agree, and I’d extend this idea: yearly release cycles are stupid. They force massive amounts of material, time and money to be wasted on sub-par products, just to make dividends for shareholders.

    • @gmonkman
      @gmonkman Місяць тому

      exactly what this is

    • @Lady_Zenith
      @Lady_Zenith Місяць тому +1

      They had to release this because of the dying Raptor-lake CPUs, they cannot afford to keep those on the market. The supposed bios fixes are all delay tactic. The sad part is they released it on a new platform that offers very little new compared to the old LGA1700.

  • @tyler6602
    @tyler6602 Місяць тому +295

    The new naming scheme is hot garbage

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +113

      Is that better or worse than cold garbage? When does hot garbage become "liquefied garbage you find at the bottom of a dumpster on a hot day in the city?"

    • @alrecks619
      @alrecks619 Місяць тому +23

      and AMD will follow it up in a heartbeat lmao.

    • @shinjimirou928
      @shinjimirou928 Місяць тому +5

      @@GamersNexus During summer, and that smell spreads fast like a gas bomb thanks to all that methane

    • @quantum5661
      @quantum5661 Місяць тому +9

      honestly i dont think its horrible. like, its worse, but its actually readable unlike the amd naming system with the decoder ring they gave to the press.

    • @SupraSav
      @SupraSav Місяць тому +2

      Ultra hot garbage

  • @forgotten4006
    @forgotten4006 Місяць тому +184

    Hey Steve, can we get a number of Ks graph? The number of Xs graph was so helpful in the 7900 video. Thanks Steve

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +145

      Well, you see, we'd do one -- but Intel just has a lot more Ks than AMD, and frankly, we're not sure that's a fair test. We need to transpose Ks and Xs to a common, shared root.

    • @RyanFennec
      @RyanFennec Місяць тому +6

      ​@@GamersNexuswtf

    • @billmcgovern6479
      @billmcgovern6479 Місяць тому +10

      @@GamersNexus You, my good man, are sleep deprived! 🤣

    • @NJ-wb1cz
      @NJ-wb1cz Місяць тому +18

      ​@@GamersNexus K is just an X with a straightened side so they can be treated as equivalents of one another.
      Now, if one of them was using Ms, those are clearly twice the value of Xs or Ks, a clear generational uplift they aren't able to get yet

    • @drcrankenstein
      @drcrankenstein Місяць тому

      @@GamersNexus K

  • @xpavar
    @xpavar Місяць тому +264

    BSOD in background, classic

    • @justinl8791
      @justinl8791 Місяць тому

      Intel is still trying to one-up those idiots at CrowdStrike in the 2024 Moron Olympics after all.

    • @RyanFennec
      @RyanFennec Місяць тому

      Lmfao

    • @ms3862
      @ms3862 Місяць тому +30

      Error Lake

    • @computerscience1101
      @computerscience1101 Місяць тому

      ​@@ms3862 9000 ton junk

  • @gosuprime
    @gosuprime Місяць тому +216

    Intel: "it's more efficient!"
    AMD: "sure, but the 7800x3D draws far less and gets far more FPS in gaming!". Also hard to get excited about this if a 13700k can do better. The value proposition for Arrow Lake is pretty "meh" right now relative to AMD.

    • @Gadtkaz
      @Gadtkaz Місяць тому +13

      Esp if the rumors are correct about there only being 1 generation before they kill the socket.

    • @gosuprime
      @gosuprime Місяць тому +30

      @@Gadtkaz Honestly, 12th gen was good for Intel, 12700 non k barely drew any power and was a solid performer: now they are just throwing power at the problem or regressing from previous gens. Until they fix their problems, AMD is the optimal choice either for gaming (x3D) or productivity (9950x).

    • @jamesm568
      @jamesm568 Місяць тому +4

      I don't mind drawing more power as long as it makes a difference. Personally, I find efficiency useless as long it's drawing the power it needs to perform properly, and if that means more power, than so be it.

    • @michaelbuto305
      @michaelbuto305 Місяць тому +2

      @@jamesm568 Market will decide.

    • @jamesm568
      @jamesm568 Місяць тому +1

      @@michaelbuto305 I don't pick my products by power efficiency. I pick my products by how they perform. From what I seen those power-hungry Intel chips wipe the floor with AMD chips the majority of the time as AMD can do the same thing minority of the time depending on use case. Intel does seem to be lacking in the gaming category.

  • @KoRbA2310
    @KoRbA2310 Місяць тому +73

    3D stacking technology was such a great achievement and a big win for AMD

    • @KokoroKatsura
      @KokoroKatsura Місяць тому +4

      A N I M E
      N
      I
      M
      E

    • @kingeling
      @kingeling Місяць тому +3

      Intel still has a long way to go. They need to fix their pipeline efficiency before even trying to stuff more cache.

    • @lharsay
      @lharsay Місяць тому

      Core Ultra is also 3D stacked, the comute, SoC and GPU tiles sit on top of a base silicon tile.

    • @assumed10identity
      @assumed10identity Місяць тому +1

      @@kingeling Can you share any links, information showing the pipeline inefficiency?

    • @kingeling
      @kingeling Місяць тому +1

      @@assumed10identity I wouldn't be able to pinpoint the problem but it's pretty clear that they've been rehashing P6 for decades with little improvement in power efficiency

  • @EbonKim
    @EbonKim Місяць тому +126

    Arrow Lake release is so bad, it drove up prices for the AM5 and Raptor Lake CPU's.

    • @iequalsnoob
      @iequalsnoob Місяць тому +1

      wrong

    • @lankylonky22
      @lankylonky22 Місяць тому +32

      @@iequalsnoob CRY ME A RIVER

    • @hopin8krzys
      @hopin8krzys Місяць тому +19

      Yeah, 7800x3d just crossed over 2000pln in Poland. It used to go below 1400, so when I got it for 1530 in August, I wasn't thrilled about the price... until it became clear it was just starting to go up and I actually got a sweet deal all things considered

    • @rockchalkv
      @rockchalkv Місяць тому +1

      Somehow I get happier and happier with my Aldur Lake.

    • @arkaneforyou
      @arkaneforyou Місяць тому

      😂

  • @mysterz3r0
    @mysterz3r0 Місяць тому +95

    The last review made me go out and buy a 7800X3D to upgrade from my 11700K.. Worth it!

    • @PowellCat745
      @PowellCat745 Місяць тому +15

      Why? The 9800X3D will be available on Nov 7.

    • @megamanx466
      @megamanx466 Місяць тому +7

      Like PowellCat745 says, you probably should've waited. At the least, the pre-release reviews would give you an idea on whether to wait or not. If the 9800X3D is better then the 7800X3D should go down, but if not... then you buy it then. Oh well, woulda, coulda, shoulda! 😅

    • @ShroudedWolf51
      @ShroudedWolf51 Місяць тому +9

      ​@@PowellCat745Honestly? Because it will be quite sone time before the 9800X3D reaches the price point of the 7800X3D. After all, the current 7800X3D price is very different from the launch price.

    • @ShroudedWolf51
      @ShroudedWolf51 Місяць тому +9

      ​@@PowellCat745Also, it's available now and is rock solid and super stable. Whereas the new launch. may have some teething issues. And it may be a while until the part's availability becomes reasonable.

    • @PowellCat745
      @PowellCat745 Місяць тому +4

      @@ShroudedWolf51 What? The 7800X3D literally costs more than the MSRP right now. The 9800X3D is $450-$500. You’re paying a lot for less.

  • @Wawas1
    @Wawas1 Місяць тому +238

    Intel is still struggling to fight against the 5800x3d for gaming(and for efficiency), a 2 year old cpu

    • @JohnSmith-oh9ux
      @JohnSmith-oh9ux Місяць тому +102

      @@AphillyatedYT lmao

    • @MakeYourVision
      @MakeYourVision Місяць тому +39

      ​@@AphillyatedYTCore Ultra 290, 270 and 250 wtih additional 200mhz in a turbo boost, right?

    • @ShroudedWolf51
      @ShroudedWolf51 Місяць тому +5

      ​@@AphillyatedYTThe burst-y overclocking focused parts are the parts that benefit gaming worloads the most. Both, server hosting and game execution.

    • @randomguydoes2901
      @randomguydoes2901 Місяць тому +37

      ​@@AphillyatedYT They dropped the name because the old 1gen 2gen 3gen thing got a tiny bit tainted from the *cough* bullshit.
      Rebrand and try again. It helps because people like you have no idea what's going on.
      5800x3d isn't just 2 years old, it's 2 years old, on old DDR4, and if you ask intel, it's 3 generations behind.
      So yeah intel better release something better soon but guess what, there is zero chance that happens.

    • @simonupton-millard
      @simonupton-millard Місяць тому +14

      ​@@AphillyatedYTso will AMD AM5 3d chips are coming so Intel will need to pull a Rabbit out of that hat not to look stupid, and I rearly don't want them to look stupid. We need Intel to be competitive to keep AMD honest and innovative

  • @DreuScuhDoo
    @DreuScuhDoo Місяць тому +14

    The BSOD in the background really fits the vibe of the new Intel launch 👌

  • @woogiewoogie0012
    @woogiewoogie0012 Місяць тому +62

    AMD consistently topping each chart here is insane

    • @be0wulfmarshallz
      @be0wulfmarshallz Місяць тому +1

      Is it insane? With how 13th and 14th gen shatting all over the place with failures and barely any improvements, I think it isn't a surprise that their brand new barely power savings arch has such middling performance for a new product. It'll be 2-4 more years or another arch before we see Intel have a chance to claw their way back.

    • @diogoriskalla5774
      @diogoriskalla5774 Місяць тому +14

      @@be0wulfmarshallz I mean, before ryzen, we used to see a 2 core pentium beating an FX that had 8 cores, seeing AMD winning at gaming AND productivity really is insane to me

    • @nipa5961
      @nipa5961 Місяць тому +3

      AMD had no competition for too long.

    • @LeviathanMorberos
      @LeviathanMorberos Місяць тому

      The problem with this generation of Inter CPUs as i see it is that they focused a lot on efficiency but forgot about performance. And i can see how that happened since their previous 2 generations had to crank up the watts to try to match / beat AMD's CPUs. Their wins in productivity come mostly with their CPUs increased core counts. I mean the 265K CPU has 20 cores total.
      AMD though, since the second gen of Ryzen forcused on efficiency AND performance. Each generation bringing the wattage down and the relative performance UP.
      In almost every graph GN just provided, the 5800x3d consistently scores higher while using less power that a brand new chip. Sometimes less than half of the power of the brand new Intel chip.
      Yes, the x3d chips aren't great for productivity, but they weren't marketed as such and the situations in which the newest Intel CPUs beat AMD are few and far between. AMD still beats Intel in effciency though.
      This shows how badly Intel scrambled to increase performance of their CPUs when the 5800x3d chip launched, and what we have all been saying about just pushing more watts into a CPU won't solve the problem. And this also shows how beastly the 5800x3d, 5700x3d and 5600x3d chips are and how good AMDs engineers worked.
      Intel is again going to have to scramble to increase efficiency AND power in order to compete, but AMD has them beat. And as long as AMD doesn't fumble, there's no way they're losing.

    • @p0intdk
      @p0intdk Місяць тому

      @@diogoriskalla5774 You also has so much stagnation that a a socket 1366 high end cpu would still be good to go 10-12 years down the road

  • @yoshums7970
    @yoshums7970 Місяць тому +9

    Oh boy, been waiting for this. Thanks, Tech Jesus.

  • @noloboy
    @noloboy Місяць тому +26

    Love the BSOD background in the intro -- fitting for this review

    • @Hugh_I
      @Hugh_I Місяць тому +4

      Intel likes the color blue

    • @CloudyMcCloud00
      @CloudyMcCloud00 Місяць тому +1

      Intel likes blue -- and is feeling blue, too.

  • @Bry.89
    @Bry.89 Місяць тому +2

    I really appreciate you guys keeping up testing results for multiple generations of CPUs instead of just comparing the latest ones. It's nice seeing how my CPU fares

  • @jeffreypaul9428
    @jeffreypaul9428 Місяць тому +171

    Please make this the last one, let's stop doing this to sand that could have been used for something beneficial.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Місяць тому +173

      Yes, the sand could be used far better places. For example, on the floor of your car where it can create demand for vacuum cleaners, or in a swimsuit where it can cause pain and discomfort

    • @SupraSav
      @SupraSav Місяць тому +5

    • @jondonnelly3
      @jondonnelly3 Місяць тому +13

      Anakin would agree. ​@@GamersNexus

    • @raptor1672
      @raptor1672 Місяць тому +3

      @@GamersNexus Anakin?! lol

    • @zivzulander
      @zivzulander Місяць тому +4

      Intel will need it to sandbag harder for the next launch 😅

  • @araylaurence6220
    @araylaurence6220 Місяць тому +65

    so the 14th gen had no step up on the 13th gen, and the new ultra chips have no step up if not just worse than the 14th gen?

    • @SwingArmCity
      @SwingArmCity Місяць тому +27

      In a nut shell......yea

    • @Hugh_I
      @Hugh_I Місяць тому +11

      pretty much, yes.

    • @nocommentarygaming2644
      @nocommentarygaming2644 Місяць тому +5

      Not in gaming, productivity is at least some improvement over 14th gen and a bit of efficiency (but still far behind AMD).

    • @username8644
      @username8644 Місяць тому

      ​@@nocommentarygaming2644285k beats the 9950x in a lot of games and ties it in productivity/multi threaded workloads. Yes it's actually competitive for a very specific use case: people who want to have high performance gaming and also the best multi threaded power available. It is worth the extra power draw though? Well that depends who you ask, id personally rather have the 9950x since I don't care about gaming.

    • @nipa5961
      @nipa5961 Місяць тому +3

      11th gen was worse than 10th gen too. Intel does that all the time.

  • @Paelmoon
    @Paelmoon Місяць тому +110

    I just checked pricing here in NZ. The 285k (top chip) is almost $1200. The 7800x3d is $799. WTF.

    • @johntipeti4597
      @johntipeti4597 Місяць тому +4

      yup it's shit. better off ordering online via a retailer that shows nz currency & ships here. trademe is not much better our mentality over here is scalp like and charge gold for shit

    • @P7ab
      @P7ab Місяць тому

      You people pay through the nose in taxes I believe

    • @GamerCracked
      @GamerCracked Місяць тому +8

      @@P7ab No tax except 15% VAT/GST.

    • @Healthy_Toki
      @Healthy_Toki Місяць тому +6

      At least you have the consolation of living in NZ, seems like an awesome place.

    • @Retro-Iron11
      @Retro-Iron11 Місяць тому

      $1099aud here in Brisbane right now for that. 7800x3d is $658aud right now. I seriously was || that close to dropping on a 265kf with a gigabyte eagle but dunno. I may get a run out discounted 14th gen i5/i7 to upgrade my 13400 instead.

  • @Amarouq2
    @Amarouq2 Місяць тому +4

    0:44 Love the BSOD on the center monitor in the background.

  • @blgDemon
    @blgDemon Місяць тому +10

    I love the BSOD screen at the background

  • @b34k97
    @b34k97 Місяць тому +28

    Anyone who picked up a 7800x3D back in May for $320 is feeling real good right now...

    • @CloudyMcCloud00
      @CloudyMcCloud00 Місяць тому

      Got mine in June (£319) when it was becoming clear which way things were heading. 😀

  • @ratshackmojo
    @ratshackmojo Місяць тому +19

    Intel should've done a Sandy to Ivy Bridge transition for Arrow Lake. A 3nm 15900K monolithic die based on RL would've been more performant. I also find it amusing that the firesale prices on the 13700K that was going for $249 suddenly went away just before Arrow Lake reviews started to come out.

    • @ThatChannel48
      @ThatChannel48 Місяць тому +3

      Totally agree, was thinking that when everything launched, I'd bet a 14900k on a better node undervolted wouldve been better than this, I know there's more to it than that but this is depressing performance.

    • @haukionkannel
      @haukionkannel Місяць тому +1

      @@ThatChannel48
      That also would be super expensive!
      $1200 to $1500 for 15900k would be bad!
      Remember that arrow lake use cheap nodes everywhere where highend Node is not needed! That makes the highend Node smaller and smaller means less errors and that means cheaper price!
      Monolith 15900k was no go economically!

    • @thedarkele
      @thedarkele Місяць тому +2

      Imo Intel should get away from the big little princip and give the cpus more Cache and that based on a monolith. And then maybe some more P Cores, That could have been a gaming beast. Pretty sad..

    • @TheLTcousins
      @TheLTcousins Місяць тому +1

      When overclocked ultra 285k is faster than the 14900k with lower power consumption so there is that

    • @최치헌-x6x
      @최치헌-x6x Місяць тому

      Even need not N3B. Just N4P would be sufficient.

  • @traitoR142
    @traitoR142 Місяць тому +6

    The blue screen of death in the background is rather apropos for this CPU launch.

  • @danielvanderbilt2952
    @danielvanderbilt2952 Місяць тому +4

    If you live near a Microcenter, the 5700x3D is often on sale for even less. It was on sale for $180 about a week ago, but now it's at $190. Crazy value if that's an option for you.

  • @Brittway
    @Brittway Місяць тому +2

    That central screen behind Steve was just the visual summery of the launch.

  • @hadykhan635
    @hadykhan635 Місяць тому +6

    the one and only source for solid testing, every other youtube channel is referencing your benchmarks! keep it up!!

  • @sausageskin
    @sausageskin Місяць тому +2

    Thank you, Steve, for these reviews, this is very generous of you to release this work for free. This a great service for the community who now can make informed buying decisions.

    • @Jalex0021
      @Jalex0021 Місяць тому

      You think the advertisers and YT don't pay them? Lol

  • @PassiveMoney1979
    @PassiveMoney1979 Місяць тому +35

    i'm still happy with my AM4 5800X build and a GTX-1060.

    • @cooleech
      @cooleech Місяць тому +3

      Mine is 5700X with GT1030. No gaming, ofc. Happy with it.

    • @xuser48
      @xuser48 Місяць тому +3

      5600X and 1070TI. No need to upgrade as I game in 60 Hz.

    • @wildmaknae_
      @wildmaknae_ Місяць тому +3

      5600x + 3060Ti, still impressed with how awesome it performs

    • @GeordiLaForgery
      @GeordiLaForgery Місяць тому

      10400f + 3050, it's incredible for a cheapskate like me.

    • @nipa5961
      @nipa5961 Місяць тому

      Even the 4 years old 5800X beat the 285K multiple times. Both in performance and efficiency!

  • @sargentpayne
    @sargentpayne Місяць тому

    Steve, I appreciate the small blue screen detail in the background to truly sell the train wreck this launch was, lol. Great job, as always.

  • @KiwiHelpgeek
    @KiwiHelpgeek Місяць тому +28

    "Don't buy."
    "Thanks Steve."

  • @m00V1ng
    @m00V1ng Місяць тому +1

    Thank you for all of your great comprehensive benchmarks. So much better than the usual "game top fps/zip/photoshop/done" reviews. Also, I greatly appreciate including FFXIV in your benchmarks. Thanks for that!

  • @digaum
    @digaum Місяць тому +15

    2:31 LOL! That was absolutely brilliant! Hahaha.

  • @pishia1104
    @pishia1104 Місяць тому +41

    What is most embarrassing here is that Zen+ on 14nm is more efficient in some tests that Intel's 3nm. What the hell man hahahaha

    • @kingeling
      @kingeling Місяць тому +5

      That would be *12nm for Zen+

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 Місяць тому +5

      This is made using TSMC 3nm, not Intel 3.
      This is Intel's Piledriver, Meteor Lake is Bulldozer.

  • @AlleonoriCat
    @AlleonoriCat Місяць тому +4

    I love arrows in the B-roll clips, very tasteful

  • @xInsane333x
    @xInsane333x Місяць тому +2

    Upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x3d for a budget tier $180 total a couple months ago.
    Looking at the cost of current CPUs I'd only have gotten a modest increase in performance while paying more than double for the CPU, plus needing a new motherboard and RAM, making the total platform upgrade easily 4 to 5 times more expensive than the 5700x3D alone.
    That's insane.

  • @automotiverhapsody
    @automotiverhapsody Місяць тому +6

    This new naming scheme is going to grind my gears 4 years

  • @Herr_Affe
    @Herr_Affe Місяць тому +1

    Wow. They sat the processor next to arrows in the b-roll. Because the lineup is called "Arrow Lake." Bravo, GN.

  • @Zapdos0145
    @Zapdos0145 Місяць тому +26

    thanks burke.

  • @heroinpenguin666
    @heroinpenguin666 Місяць тому +3

    Every video of these I see I'm more happy I built my last PC on the AM5 platform and will be buying AMD for the foreseeable future.

  • @Dusty_Tarantula
    @Dusty_Tarantula Місяць тому +8

    Staying with my 5800X3D is still a good idea. Gotcha. Message sent.

    • @jamesm568
      @jamesm568 Місяць тому +1

      I'm ready for the 9800X3D as the 5800X3D is too damn slow with Microsoft Flight Simulator.

  • @feschber
    @feschber Місяць тому

    the humor in these is getting better with every video. I love it

  • @YuNherd
    @YuNherd Місяць тому +5

    Waiting for this. Thanks Steve.
    Edit:
    Am I hearing Steve keep saying "Error Lake"? Well its understandable

  • @C17H23NO2
    @C17H23NO2 Місяць тому

    How can your Intros be this freaking good. I just woke up, it's 5:45 in the morning after only 4h of sleep and am already on the floor laughing. Thanks steve. xD

  • @mozametweakin
    @mozametweakin Місяць тому +12

    This makes me feel great about my 7800X3D (as a gamer)

  • @Scarlet_Soul
    @Scarlet_Soul Місяць тому +2

    I'm still amazed that they managed to make the naming scheme even more convoluted than before

  • @derekbrush
    @derekbrush Місяць тому +4

    The real question is whether they've successfully eliminated the copper oxide extension set. That feature was DOA.

  • @Ievolovel
    @Ievolovel Місяць тому +2

    I'm about to overkill on my 1080p gaming setup, but I'm planning for the future. My 4790k can't keep up with most newer titles I want to enjoy. I've used this chip for like 6-7yrs. It's been a good run. Hopefully the 7800X3D can carry me even further.

  • @TheHangarHobbit
    @TheHangarHobbit Місяць тому +9

    What I took away from those charts is not only is AM5 kicking its behind in most tests but AM4 is still the budget baller king, getting good FPS per watt on a much MUCH cheaper platform.

  • @MuZeSiCk77
    @MuZeSiCk77 Місяць тому +1

    Whoooo..... Don't like these CPU's but, I like your reviews on it!! Keep it up. That goes for the sarcasm as well!!

  • @spladam3845
    @spladam3845 Місяць тому +3

    Who made the hand crafted bug used in the coaster b-roll shots? That's really cool, you guys should sell those too ;)

  • @elixier33
    @elixier33 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you so much for constantly bringing us such amazing content and for being so honest in your reviews

  • @Maax141
    @Maax141 Місяць тому +3

    Everyone's talking about X3D chips, but man those 5800X non 3D results are impressive, it sits basically on par with Zen 4 CPUs in some games tested. I wonder what could be the reason. Maybe the properly tuned DDR4 memory? Or maybe just the selection of games not benefitting from DDR5 or Zen 4 in general? I remember there being a bigger difference between Zen 3 and Zen 4. Amazing review as always anyway.

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 Місяць тому +1

      Single CCD config, GPU bottleneck and the fact that Zen 4 did basically nothing to increase IPC.
      The last time i watched my i7-12700K now 3 years old it's around the 7700X in perfomance per watt on games.
      This is the IPC order: Zen 5 X3D > Zen 4 X3D > Raptor Lake & Alder Lake = Zen 5 = Zen 3 X3D (?) > Zen 4 > Arrow Lake > Zen 3

  • @xnyte
    @xnyte Місяць тому +1

    I love the shade of “Name is fine and won’t cause any problems.” God I love this show.

  • @variety5061
    @variety5061 Місяць тому +6

    The Three Stooges reincarnated into CPUs. What a time to be alive.

  • @lycanwarlord
    @lycanwarlord Місяць тому +1

    As always, thanks Steve.

  • @kunka592
    @kunka592 Місяць тому +3

    I guess they made the model number smaller to not mislead customers to thinking it's any better than last gen. Thanks for being honest, Intel.

  • @Hello_YoyoJ
    @Hello_YoyoJ Місяць тому +1

    Hey, bro! I really appreciate these honest and informative reviews, which have given me a better understanding of CPUs. I'm curious if you've ever thought about ergonomic chairs, as I'd love to explore a collaboration with you.

  • @leviathanpriim3951
    @leviathanpriim3951 Місяць тому +3

    interesting, thanks GN, back to you Steve

  • @leonardobnd4294
    @leonardobnd4294 Місяць тому

    Thank you guys, you are the best

  • @Thestuntedman
    @Thestuntedman Місяць тому +5

    Not gonna lie, as someone who primarily uses my pc for gaming, getting my 7800x3d a few months ago for €390 feels like a bargain compared to this gens offerings thus far.

  • @oscarcharliezulu
    @oscarcharliezulu Місяць тому +2

    The sarcasm is next level funny. Loving it!

  • @AakashKumar-tn6yh
    @AakashKumar-tn6yh Місяць тому +12

    Intel:
    Make better products❌
    Release garbage to make competition look more attractive😍✅

  • @Just_Mike64
    @Just_Mike64 Місяць тому

    Thanks for all the reviews !, decided to upgrade my 12400 to 14600k for a little bit of cash after the resale of the 12400. Will wait this generation out before making a whole new pc.

  • @rodneyrogers1319
    @rodneyrogers1319 Місяць тому +4

    Who remembers sandy bridge through kaby lake where we had 3-5% increases for 4c parts? I would welcome those kinda of gains. Lol

    • @oxaile4021
      @oxaile4021 Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, AMD and Intel switched sides. Now AMD are the ones making 5% gains per generation while Intel is going through their Bulldozer arc.

  • @Eeshank2
    @Eeshank2 Місяць тому

    love seeing the 5700x3d doing so well in these charts, best purchase this year and thank you gamers nexus for these benchmarks!

  • @catbertsis
    @catbertsis Місяць тому +5

    I wonder why these charts mostly do not include AMD 9900 and 7900 CPUs, despite them being the direct competitors in terms of price.

    • @Gulyus
      @Gulyus Місяць тому +3

      Ah apparently they are redoing the chart for the new windows update and had to pick and choose which units to test.

  • @blue-omega7141
    @blue-omega7141 Місяць тому

    Love the actual arrows next to the CPUs!

  • @acidGoatG
    @acidGoatG Місяць тому +3

    the bug at 2:59 looks insanely good where can I get one?

  • @danieloberhofer9035
    @danieloberhofer9035 Місяць тому

    Thank you for putting in the time and effort to even test this properly.
    Seriously, this could've well been 2 min. Intro - Sponsor spot - "Do not buy!" - Outro. Now, nobody can argue that you didn't comprehensively show why this isn't worth buying.

  • @Euniceiscool
    @Euniceiscool Місяць тому +3

    You guys should run the Arrow Lake chips against their Raptor Lake equivalents with hyperthreading off so we can see a "we have Arrow Lake at home" graph

  • @Petch85
    @Petch85 Місяць тому +2

    6:38
    Would be fun to see efficiency when using only P and E cores separately.
    Just to get an idea about how big the difference is between them.

  • @fireice2585
    @fireice2585 Місяць тому +5

    The model names are so confusing that I thought you were reuploading the previous video.

  • @photographe06
    @photographe06 Місяць тому

    Great review: thank you!

  • @NazNaxs
    @NazNaxs Місяць тому +6

    I kept hearing ERROR-Lake instead of arrow lake. Joining the Ryzen 5% and AM4ever.

  • @k80theshade
    @k80theshade Місяць тому +1

    Heavily depending on your desired level of granularity, here, it might be a good Idea to note that not all PC fans are created equal such that simply labeling "fan speed" as 100% may not be as useful as just listing the sizes of the fans as well as which brand they are. If you want to get way off in the weeds, you might use a + or a - sign to indicate which ones are pulling and which are pushing.....but that might be a tad extreme. (particularly in an open chassis)
    In any case (get it?)you might find it good to find a slightly more precise way of delineating the actual air volume per second being moved by the fins.

  • @jlmpc8733
    @jlmpc8733 Місяць тому +7

    why the 7600x3D not mentioned, that costs less than the 265k?

    • @lharsay
      @lharsay Місяць тому +2

      It's vaporware with poor availability.

    • @nipa5961
      @nipa5961 Місяць тому +1

      265K is 50€ more but much slower.

    • @lharsay
      @lharsay Місяць тому

      @@nipa5961 I tried to check out the price of the 7600X3D in my country, apparently it's not sold by any retailer while the u7 265K is already available. As I said, it's vaporware just like the Ryzen 3 3300X.

    • @Dr.WhetFarts
      @Dr.WhetFarts Місяць тому

      @@nipa5961 265K destroys 7600X3D in productivity.

    • @nipa5961
      @nipa5961 Місяць тому

      @@Dr.WhetFarts 7600X3D destroys 265K in gaming.

  • @babochee
    @babochee Місяць тому

    Its the shortest video by about 40 seconds, you did it Steve! 0:38

  • @jameysummers1577
    @jameysummers1577 Місяць тому +26

    There is goes again. That Ryzen 5 3600 STILL pulling its weight. It's like the 1080ti. It's going to be on those charts everytime....And relevant.

    • @CeeJayCeeJjay
      @CeeJayCeeJjay Місяць тому

      Thats my current cpu, bought in august of 2020 for 160. Will prolly last me another year. Then a upgrade to 9800x3d with a 5000 series gpu if they are decent.

    • @HardQare
      @HardQare Місяць тому

      I built such a setup for my niece and she was very happy.

    • @MrTorch-p4z
      @MrTorch-p4z Місяць тому +1

      @@CeeJayCeeJjay X3Ds and 3600-5600 is the best thing AMD made

    • @OrbitalSP2
      @OrbitalSP2 Місяць тому +1

      3600 and 5800X3D are the new 2500k. Beasts

    • @RJRC_105
      @RJRC_105 Місяць тому

      Still on a 3700X myself. It's still trucking. As is my 3080.
      I'm thinking I'm going to put off my upgrade to next year.

  • @Gulyus
    @Gulyus Місяць тому

    Upgrading my computer to more modern parts is inpossible (over ten years old, newest part is the psu lol) so I'm buying an Amd cpu/gpu with a micro center sale today. Gonna grab a 7800x3d given how intel has ben the last...well while. Gonna grab a fractal design North for my case. Thanks for all the help directly and indirectly in making decisions GN!

  • @derrickyam5776
    @derrickyam5776 Місяць тому +3

    As someone that uses a PC for mainly office work and youtube videos, while gaming at most 1hr per day.[game only on weekends] I would appreciate that in future regarding power consumption, idle power will be included as well. Thank you.

  • @RathOX
    @RathOX Місяць тому +2

    Thanks steve

  • @mraltoid19
    @mraltoid19 Місяць тому +5

    Arrowlake has the same energy as Bulldozer.

  • @novocainDaimon
    @novocainDaimon Місяць тому

    I really would love to see a cpu crushing game in the benchmarks - Anno 1800 with a late savegame would do the trick, I think computerbase is using a savegame with a population of 65,000 and there are savegames with even more citizen.
    Other than that: nice review, as always 👍

  • @CraftifyPrints420
    @CraftifyPrints420 Місяць тому +12

    exited for my 7950x3d build!

    • @NoNeed4Sympathy
      @NoNeed4Sympathy Місяць тому +2

      why not wait for 9nnnX3D?

    • @SyncF
      @SyncF Місяць тому

      @@NoNeed4Sympathywhy not wait for AM6 then????.
      you people are tiresome

    • @NoNeed4Sympathy
      @NoNeed4Sympathy Місяць тому

      @@SyncF if you compare 2 weeks waiting vs 2 years waiting you should call a doctor.

  • @MaxHaydenChiz
    @MaxHaydenChiz Місяць тому

    Thanks for all the work. Especially enjoyed the power analysis stuff you did in the earlier videos in the series, including the informal one explaining how you did it. Also, given the importance of 1% and 0.1% lows, is there a way to make a chart that highlights *those* differences better. As-is, the average frame rates being so much higher kind of makes it hard to see how things stack up when it comes to the lows.
    It's a shame that Intel didn't get more oomph out of using an interposer or any of the other cool-but-expensive hardware stuff they used. Given those baked-in higher costs, I wonder how far they can afford to drop the price on these and still make money.
    I'm especially disappointed by the gaming performance since, on paper, Intel had every advantage in their favor: using an interposer instead of ccds should mean substantially better core-to-core latency. Not having AVX-512 means they aren't spending a huge part of the die area on something that's dead-weight for gaming and should have been able to spend those transistors in more impactful ways. Same with the transistors they freed up by dropping hyper-threading. They even have a bigger instruction window which, on paper, should let them handle cache misses better than the non-x3d parts from AMD, but even with very fast RAM, the impact seems "meh" at best. I wonder what went wrong during the design process that led to this disappointment despite it all.
    Regardless, it seems like the real question for someone needing a new work-from-home PC is whether AMD was being truthful when it implied that the new iteration of X3D design would improve more than just games this time around. There's definitely some "odd" stuff visible on high res die shots of Zen 5 in the area where the connection will be. So I'm exited to see what they actually did with it and whether it actually worked out like they expected.

  • @Vertilgung
    @Vertilgung Місяць тому +19

    Intel seems to try to sell performance regression as the new hot shit on the hardware market

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 Місяць тому

      Intel Piledriver, Meteor Lake is Bulldozer.

  • @ripcord895
    @ripcord895 Місяць тому

    Why do I feel like this channel has become one of those modern day shortwave radio numbers stations?

  • @darknessetc
    @darknessetc Місяць тому +3

    Thanks for the video.
    I'm about to build a new computer with focus on virtualization (VirtualBox/VMWare) aside with some gaming and day to day stuff, should I go with Intel or AMD? Wondering what test is a good comparison to it? Blender, compression, gaming? Since Intel removed the hyper threading thing I'm not sure what to search for.

    • @matthewmurrian
      @matthewmurrian Місяць тому +2

      I saw benchmarks just yesterday on virtualization that put the 285K on top. And for compiling software on Linux, too.
      The "Virtualization" benchmark was on techpowerup and the software compilation benchmarks were on Phoronix.
      Despite all of the bluster from the gaming crowd, the latest Intel has top performance in a lot of non-gaming benchmarks.

    • @nipa5961
      @nipa5961 Місяць тому +2

      Get the 9950X then.

    • @SyncF
      @SyncF Місяць тому

      @@matthewmurrianThe 9950x is better.

    • @matthewmurrian
      @matthewmurrian Місяць тому

      @@SyncF ... except for the benchmarks where the 285K is better, such as virtualization.

  • @Wusten88
    @Wusten88 Місяць тому

    Best channel! Ty!!

  • @ScottGrammer
    @ScottGrammer Місяць тому +16

    That's a heck of a $99 CPU.

    • @JFinns
      @JFinns Місяць тому

      If you consider gaming performance as most important, you're price is sadly accurate.

  • @gcardinal
    @gcardinal Місяць тому +1

    It makes perfect sense for anyone gaming and doing production work. Or anything AI / coding related.