Real talk: I am legitimately checking the titles of these like 4-5 times and searching the names to make sure I'm remembering them correctly. Upside: Intel will look like heroes when they abandon these names after 1 generation. Watch our Intel Core Ultra 9 285K review here: ua-cam.com/video/XXLY8kEdR1c/v-deo.html Watch our Intel Core Ultra 5 245K review here: ua-cam.com/video/WxXZlONu4Ig/v-deo.html Watch our test bench setup for efficiency benchmarking here: ua-cam.com/video/nmK1rCyKbgQ/v-deo.html Support our work! store.gamersnexus.net/ or visit Patreon: www.patreon.com/gamersnexus
Why did they even decide to go with such a bizarre change is still completely unexplainable for me. I understand that they want something to change since they've been going to with the same naming scheme for the past what, 15 years? But I mean cmon... it's ridiculous how you want people to learn a completely new branding name of a product that is so incredibly disappointing compared to its predecessor!
@@GamersNexus i think it would be more accurate to have the graphs ranked by best 1% lows not the average. Having better 1% lows is kinda much more important. that is where the hardware matters and determines smoothness. What are your thoughts?
@@chuckwow3302 Value is great up to a point. Absolute performance is still important, so it depends on what you're doing with it, and what you're expecting from it.
I would need lots of ethanol to make a purchasing decision for Arrowlake. But only time I've ever used it enough to make the decision would have been when I was a child and didn't understand why adults had a different fruit salad. Edit: Fixed grammar, by adding an indefinite article.
@@CaptnKrksNippls I don't think that's the point. It doesn't *need* to be that much better to be a success, it just needs to be better than the previous. Even if that's stagnation, it doesn't really have competition as of right now.
@@GamersNexus The effort is beyond appreciated. Covering studs and duds equally means consumers can make the best possible decision due to your effort.
@@mbahmarijan789 That would be too time consuming and more lab expansion...plus, peripherals in general are a more personal choice than computer cases and other computer parts. That would be asking them to do RGB comparisons of various computer parts. Do you like fan hub LEDs or ring around the fan LEDs or both?
They are still significantly worse than CPU naming schemes. Check Acer monitors. Also AMDs laptop chip naming schemes are much worse than Intel desktop.
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This release sounds like what should have been a proof of concept engineering sample. It's like they felt they had to release something, anything to put the instability debacle behind them.
I agree, and I’d extend this idea: yearly release cycles are stupid. They force massive amounts of material, time and money to be wasted on sub-par products, just to make dividends for shareholders.
They had to release this because of the dying Raptor-lake CPUs, they cannot afford to keep those on the market. The supposed bios fixes are all delay tactic. The sad part is they released it on a new platform that offers very little new compared to the old LGA1700.
Is that better or worse than cold garbage? When does hot garbage become "liquefied garbage you find at the bottom of a dumpster on a hot day in the city?"
honestly i dont think its horrible. like, its worse, but its actually readable unlike the amd naming system with the decoder ring they gave to the press.
Well, you see, we'd do one -- but Intel just has a lot more Ks than AMD, and frankly, we're not sure that's a fair test. We need to transpose Ks and Xs to a common, shared root.
@@GamersNexus K is just an X with a straightened side so they can be treated as equivalents of one another. Now, if one of them was using Ms, those are clearly twice the value of Xs or Ks, a clear generational uplift they aren't able to get yet
Intel: "it's more efficient!" AMD: "sure, but the 7800x3D draws far less and gets far more FPS in gaming!". Also hard to get excited about this if a 13700k can do better. The value proposition for Arrow Lake is pretty "meh" right now relative to AMD.
@@Gadtkaz Honestly, 12th gen was good for Intel, 12700 non k barely drew any power and was a solid performer: now they are just throwing power at the problem or regressing from previous gens. Until they fix their problems, AMD is the optimal choice either for gaming (x3D) or productivity (9950x).
I don't mind drawing more power as long as it makes a difference. Personally, I find efficiency useless as long it's drawing the power it needs to perform properly, and if that means more power, than so be it.
@@michaelbuto305 I don't pick my products by power efficiency. I pick my products by how they perform. From what I seen those power-hungry Intel chips wipe the floor with AMD chips the majority of the time as AMD can do the same thing minority of the time depending on use case. Intel does seem to be lacking in the gaming category.
@@assumed10identity I wouldn't be able to pinpoint the problem but it's pretty clear that they've been rehashing P6 for decades with little improvement in power efficiency
Yeah, 7800x3d just crossed over 2000pln in Poland. It used to go below 1400, so when I got it for 1530 in August, I wasn't thrilled about the price... until it became clear it was just starting to go up and I actually got a sweet deal all things considered
Like PowellCat745 says, you probably should've waited. At the least, the pre-release reviews would give you an idea on whether to wait or not. If the 9800X3D is better then the 7800X3D should go down, but if not... then you buy it then. Oh well, woulda, coulda, shoulda! 😅
@@PowellCat745Honestly? Because it will be quite sone time before the 9800X3D reaches the price point of the 7800X3D. After all, the current 7800X3D price is very different from the launch price.
@@PowellCat745Also, it's available now and is rock solid and super stable. Whereas the new launch. may have some teething issues. And it may be a while until the part's availability becomes reasonable.
@@AphillyatedYT They dropped the name because the old 1gen 2gen 3gen thing got a tiny bit tainted from the *cough* bullshit. Rebrand and try again. It helps because people like you have no idea what's going on. 5800x3d isn't just 2 years old, it's 2 years old, on old DDR4, and if you ask intel, it's 3 generations behind. So yeah intel better release something better soon but guess what, there is zero chance that happens.
@@AphillyatedYTso will AMD AM5 3d chips are coming so Intel will need to pull a Rabbit out of that hat not to look stupid, and I rearly don't want them to look stupid. We need Intel to be competitive to keep AMD honest and innovative
Is it insane? With how 13th and 14th gen shatting all over the place with failures and barely any improvements, I think it isn't a surprise that their brand new barely power savings arch has such middling performance for a new product. It'll be 2-4 more years or another arch before we see Intel have a chance to claw their way back.
@@be0wulfmarshallz I mean, before ryzen, we used to see a 2 core pentium beating an FX that had 8 cores, seeing AMD winning at gaming AND productivity really is insane to me
The problem with this generation of Inter CPUs as i see it is that they focused a lot on efficiency but forgot about performance. And i can see how that happened since their previous 2 generations had to crank up the watts to try to match / beat AMD's CPUs. Their wins in productivity come mostly with their CPUs increased core counts. I mean the 265K CPU has 20 cores total. AMD though, since the second gen of Ryzen forcused on efficiency AND performance. Each generation bringing the wattage down and the relative performance UP. In almost every graph GN just provided, the 5800x3d consistently scores higher while using less power that a brand new chip. Sometimes less than half of the power of the brand new Intel chip. Yes, the x3d chips aren't great for productivity, but they weren't marketed as such and the situations in which the newest Intel CPUs beat AMD are few and far between. AMD still beats Intel in effciency though. This shows how badly Intel scrambled to increase performance of their CPUs when the 5800x3d chip launched, and what we have all been saying about just pushing more watts into a CPU won't solve the problem. And this also shows how beastly the 5800x3d, 5700x3d and 5600x3d chips are and how good AMDs engineers worked. Intel is again going to have to scramble to increase efficiency AND power in order to compete, but AMD has them beat. And as long as AMD doesn't fumble, there's no way they're losing.
I really appreciate you guys keeping up testing results for multiple generations of CPUs instead of just comparing the latest ones. It's nice seeing how my CPU fares
Yes, the sand could be used far better places. For example, on the floor of your car where it can create demand for vacuum cleaners, or in a swimsuit where it can cause pain and discomfort
@@nocommentarygaming2644285k beats the 9950x in a lot of games and ties it in productivity/multi threaded workloads. Yes it's actually competitive for a very specific use case: people who want to have high performance gaming and also the best multi threaded power available. It is worth the extra power draw though? Well that depends who you ask, id personally rather have the 9950x since I don't care about gaming.
yup it's shit. better off ordering online via a retailer that shows nz currency & ships here. trademe is not much better our mentality over here is scalp like and charge gold for shit
$1099aud here in Brisbane right now for that. 7800x3d is $658aud right now. I seriously was || that close to dropping on a 265kf with a gigabyte eagle but dunno. I may get a run out discounted 14th gen i5/i7 to upgrade my 13400 instead.
Intel should've done a Sandy to Ivy Bridge transition for Arrow Lake. A 3nm 15900K monolithic die based on RL would've been more performant. I also find it amusing that the firesale prices on the 13700K that was going for $249 suddenly went away just before Arrow Lake reviews started to come out.
Totally agree, was thinking that when everything launched, I'd bet a 14900k on a better node undervolted wouldve been better than this, I know there's more to it than that but this is depressing performance.
@@ThatChannel48 That also would be super expensive! $1200 to $1500 for 15900k would be bad! Remember that arrow lake use cheap nodes everywhere where highend Node is not needed! That makes the highend Node smaller and smaller means less errors and that means cheaper price! Monolith 15900k was no go economically!
Imo Intel should get away from the big little princip and give the cpus more Cache and that based on a monolith. And then maybe some more P Cores, That could have been a gaming beast. Pretty sad..
If you live near a Microcenter, the 5700x3D is often on sale for even less. It was on sale for $180 about a week ago, but now it's at $190. Crazy value if that's an option for you.
Thank you, Steve, for these reviews, this is very generous of you to release this work for free. This a great service for the community who now can make informed buying decisions.
Thank you for all of your great comprehensive benchmarks. So much better than the usual "game top fps/zip/photoshop/done" reviews. Also, I greatly appreciate including FFXIV in your benchmarks. Thanks for that!
Upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x3d for a budget tier $180 total a couple months ago. Looking at the cost of current CPUs I'd only have gotten a modest increase in performance while paying more than double for the CPU, plus needing a new motherboard and RAM, making the total platform upgrade easily 4 to 5 times more expensive than the 5700x3D alone. That's insane.
How can your Intros be this freaking good. I just woke up, it's 5:45 in the morning after only 4h of sleep and am already on the floor laughing. Thanks steve. xD
I'm about to overkill on my 1080p gaming setup, but I'm planning for the future. My 4790k can't keep up with most newer titles I want to enjoy. I've used this chip for like 6-7yrs. It's been a good run. Hopefully the 7800X3D can carry me even further.
What I took away from those charts is not only is AM5 kicking its behind in most tests but AM4 is still the budget baller king, getting good FPS per watt on a much MUCH cheaper platform.
Everyone's talking about X3D chips, but man those 5800X non 3D results are impressive, it sits basically on par with Zen 4 CPUs in some games tested. I wonder what could be the reason. Maybe the properly tuned DDR4 memory? Or maybe just the selection of games not benefitting from DDR5 or Zen 4 in general? I remember there being a bigger difference between Zen 3 and Zen 4. Amazing review as always anyway.
Single CCD config, GPU bottleneck and the fact that Zen 4 did basically nothing to increase IPC. The last time i watched my i7-12700K now 3 years old it's around the 7700X in perfomance per watt on games. This is the IPC order: Zen 5 X3D > Zen 4 X3D > Raptor Lake & Alder Lake = Zen 5 = Zen 3 X3D (?) > Zen 4 > Arrow Lake > Zen 3
Hey, bro! I really appreciate these honest and informative reviews, which have given me a better understanding of CPUs. I'm curious if you've ever thought about ergonomic chairs, as I'd love to explore a collaboration with you.
Not gonna lie, as someone who primarily uses my pc for gaming, getting my 7800x3d a few months ago for €390 feels like a bargain compared to this gens offerings thus far.
Thanks for all the reviews !, decided to upgrade my 12400 to 14600k for a little bit of cash after the resale of the 12400. Will wait this generation out before making a whole new pc.
Thank you for putting in the time and effort to even test this properly. Seriously, this could've well been 2 min. Intro - Sponsor spot - "Do not buy!" - Outro. Now, nobody can argue that you didn't comprehensively show why this isn't worth buying.
You guys should run the Arrow Lake chips against their Raptor Lake equivalents with hyperthreading off so we can see a "we have Arrow Lake at home" graph
Heavily depending on your desired level of granularity, here, it might be a good Idea to note that not all PC fans are created equal such that simply labeling "fan speed" as 100% may not be as useful as just listing the sizes of the fans as well as which brand they are. If you want to get way off in the weeds, you might use a + or a - sign to indicate which ones are pulling and which are pushing.....but that might be a tad extreme. (particularly in an open chassis) In any case (get it?)you might find it good to find a slightly more precise way of delineating the actual air volume per second being moved by the fins.
@@nipa5961 I tried to check out the price of the 7600X3D in my country, apparently it's not sold by any retailer while the u7 265K is already available. As I said, it's vaporware just like the Ryzen 3 3300X.
Thats my current cpu, bought in august of 2020 for 160. Will prolly last me another year. Then a upgrade to 9800x3d with a 5000 series gpu if they are decent.
Upgrading my computer to more modern parts is inpossible (over ten years old, newest part is the psu lol) so I'm buying an Amd cpu/gpu with a micro center sale today. Gonna grab a 7800x3d given how intel has ben the last...well while. Gonna grab a fractal design North for my case. Thanks for all the help directly and indirectly in making decisions GN!
As someone that uses a PC for mainly office work and youtube videos, while gaming at most 1hr per day.[game only on weekends] I would appreciate that in future regarding power consumption, idle power will be included as well. Thank you.
I really would love to see a cpu crushing game in the benchmarks - Anno 1800 with a late savegame would do the trick, I think computerbase is using a savegame with a population of 65,000 and there are savegames with even more citizen. Other than that: nice review, as always 👍
Thanks for all the work. Especially enjoyed the power analysis stuff you did in the earlier videos in the series, including the informal one explaining how you did it. Also, given the importance of 1% and 0.1% lows, is there a way to make a chart that highlights *those* differences better. As-is, the average frame rates being so much higher kind of makes it hard to see how things stack up when it comes to the lows. It's a shame that Intel didn't get more oomph out of using an interposer or any of the other cool-but-expensive hardware stuff they used. Given those baked-in higher costs, I wonder how far they can afford to drop the price on these and still make money. I'm especially disappointed by the gaming performance since, on paper, Intel had every advantage in their favor: using an interposer instead of ccds should mean substantially better core-to-core latency. Not having AVX-512 means they aren't spending a huge part of the die area on something that's dead-weight for gaming and should have been able to spend those transistors in more impactful ways. Same with the transistors they freed up by dropping hyper-threading. They even have a bigger instruction window which, on paper, should let them handle cache misses better than the non-x3d parts from AMD, but even with very fast RAM, the impact seems "meh" at best. I wonder what went wrong during the design process that led to this disappointment despite it all. Regardless, it seems like the real question for someone needing a new work-from-home PC is whether AMD was being truthful when it implied that the new iteration of X3D design would improve more than just games this time around. There's definitely some "odd" stuff visible on high res die shots of Zen 5 in the area where the connection will be. So I'm exited to see what they actually did with it and whether it actually worked out like they expected.
Thanks for the video. I'm about to build a new computer with focus on virtualization (VirtualBox/VMWare) aside with some gaming and day to day stuff, should I go with Intel or AMD? Wondering what test is a good comparison to it? Blender, compression, gaming? Since Intel removed the hyper threading thing I'm not sure what to search for.
I saw benchmarks just yesterday on virtualization that put the 285K on top. And for compiling software on Linux, too. The "Virtualization" benchmark was on techpowerup and the software compilation benchmarks were on Phoronix. Despite all of the bluster from the gaming crowd, the latest Intel has top performance in a lot of non-gaming benchmarks.
Real talk: I am legitimately checking the titles of these like 4-5 times and searching the names to make sure I'm remembering them correctly. Upside: Intel will look like heroes when they abandon these names after 1 generation.
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To me it's still 15th Gen.
@@PlantainSupernova The kind of petty the world needs more of!
When a CPU video from Gamers Nexus is shorter than a video about computer cases, you know it can't be good news for the company making the CPU
@@henrythegreatamerican8136 One requires billions of transistors and the other is actually innovative and moves the industry forward!
Why did they even decide to go with such a bizarre change is still completely unexplainable for me. I understand that they want something to change since they've been going to with the same naming scheme for the past what, 15 years? But I mean cmon... it's ridiculous how you want people to learn a completely new branding name of a product that is so incredibly disappointing compared to its predecessor!
404 value cannot be found is a deep burn
I was proud of that one
@@GamersNexus i think it would be more accurate to have the graphs ranked by best 1% lows not the average. Having better 1% lows is kinda much more important. that is where the hardware matters and determines smoothness. What are your thoughts?
These Error Lake based CPUs truly are something :)
@@chuckwow3302 That's the one I have, peak value (for intel anyway).
@@chuckwow3302 Value is great up to a point. Absolute performance is still important, so it depends on what you're doing with it, and what you're expecting from it.
There are chemical compounds with shorter names
Going to need a good dihydrogen monoxide cooling setup for these CPUs.
😂😂😂
Intel is IUPAC safe
I would need lots of ethanol to make a purchasing decision for Arrowlake. But only time I've ever used it enough to make the decision would have been when I was a child and didn't understand why adults had a different fruit salad.
Edit: Fixed grammar, by adding an indefinite article.
You don't need sodium pentanol to say that's true 🤔🤣
Man the 9800x3d has its pathway to success paved in gold already with this competition. It would be impressive at this point if AMD messed it up.
Do not challange amd
Look at Zen 5%. Should we expect any better?
@@t1e6x12 counter point look at the 7800x3d. Add 5% to that and tell me where on the gaming chart it would land?
@@alexmills1329 Just because it would be on top doesn't mean it's the jump people are hoping for.
@@CaptnKrksNippls I don't think that's the point. It doesn't *need* to be that much better to be a success, it just needs to be better than the previous. Even if that's stagnation, it doesn't really have competition as of right now.
Hell yes. Your team’s effort on this is so incredibly helpful for the community. Thanks!
Thank you! We love working on these big launches, even if the products are kind of duds sometimes. Lots of fun to try new testing.
@@GamersNexus The effort is beyond appreciated. Covering studs and duds equally means consumers can make the best possible decision due to your effort.
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please do the same level of effort, benchmarking and or reviewing audio pheripherals
@@mbahmarijan789 That would be too time consuming and more lab expansion...plus, peripherals in general are a more personal choice than computer cases and other computer parts. That would be asking them to do RGB comparisons of various computer parts. Do you like fan hub LEDs or ring around the fan LEDs or both?
Jeez, I thought monitor naming schemes were bad...
They still are, they just have competition now 😁
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They still are much worse
They are still significantly worse than CPU naming schemes. Check Acer monitors. Also AMDs laptop chip naming schemes are much worse than Intel desktop.
The greatest comment that ever lived.
Just dropping by to say: after a year of use, GN mug and mouse mat still look like new, quality products really. Bought the solder mat as well, also well made. Shipping to Europe is a bit pricey, but can recommend those items if you want to support quality content like this channel.
I can concur this with the mouse mat (I don't own the other item)
"Thanks Steve"
I promise to put the meme in the laser and mechanical testing of the Intel ILMs video.
@@GamersNexus can you make us some merch with it or on it etc. 😅
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@@mz1929It needs to be with a cartoon Snowflake in front of a bowl full of cat food
@@GamersNexusneed to make it a shirt
Very nice of you to make Intel feel at home in this review with a BSOD in the background. So caring
Windows is Microsoft...
@@2hotscot ?
@@2hotscot so true!
@@ZylonFPV Windows (by Microsoft) has always had the BSOD, not an Intel thing.
@@2hotscotthe point is that the CPU is causing blue screens. And the CPU is Intel.
Error Lake in full swing.
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Arrow in the knee Lake
CORE ULTRA TRASH
lmao on par with the 9k disappointment
That blue screen cracked me up
This release sounds like what should have been a proof of concept engineering sample. It's like they felt they had to release something, anything to put the instability debacle behind them.
Best take on it, really true
I agree, and I’d extend this idea: yearly release cycles are stupid. They force massive amounts of material, time and money to be wasted on sub-par products, just to make dividends for shareholders.
exactly what this is
They had to release this because of the dying Raptor-lake CPUs, they cannot afford to keep those on the market. The supposed bios fixes are all delay tactic. The sad part is they released it on a new platform that offers very little new compared to the old LGA1700.
The new naming scheme is hot garbage
Is that better or worse than cold garbage? When does hot garbage become "liquefied garbage you find at the bottom of a dumpster on a hot day in the city?"
and AMD will follow it up in a heartbeat lmao.
@@GamersNexus During summer, and that smell spreads fast like a gas bomb thanks to all that methane
honestly i dont think its horrible. like, its worse, but its actually readable unlike the amd naming system with the decoder ring they gave to the press.
Ultra hot garbage
Hey Steve, can we get a number of Ks graph? The number of Xs graph was so helpful in the 7900 video. Thanks Steve
Well, you see, we'd do one -- but Intel just has a lot more Ks than AMD, and frankly, we're not sure that's a fair test. We need to transpose Ks and Xs to a common, shared root.
@@GamersNexuswtf
@@GamersNexus You, my good man, are sleep deprived! 🤣
@@GamersNexus K is just an X with a straightened side so they can be treated as equivalents of one another.
Now, if one of them was using Ms, those are clearly twice the value of Xs or Ks, a clear generational uplift they aren't able to get yet
@@GamersNexus K
BSOD in background, classic
Intel is still trying to one-up those idiots at CrowdStrike in the 2024 Moron Olympics after all.
Lmfao
Error Lake
@@ms3862 9000 ton junk
Intel: "it's more efficient!"
AMD: "sure, but the 7800x3D draws far less and gets far more FPS in gaming!". Also hard to get excited about this if a 13700k can do better. The value proposition for Arrow Lake is pretty "meh" right now relative to AMD.
Esp if the rumors are correct about there only being 1 generation before they kill the socket.
@@Gadtkaz Honestly, 12th gen was good for Intel, 12700 non k barely drew any power and was a solid performer: now they are just throwing power at the problem or regressing from previous gens. Until they fix their problems, AMD is the optimal choice either for gaming (x3D) or productivity (9950x).
I don't mind drawing more power as long as it makes a difference. Personally, I find efficiency useless as long it's drawing the power it needs to perform properly, and if that means more power, than so be it.
@@jamesm568 Market will decide.
@@michaelbuto305 I don't pick my products by power efficiency. I pick my products by how they perform. From what I seen those power-hungry Intel chips wipe the floor with AMD chips the majority of the time as AMD can do the same thing minority of the time depending on use case. Intel does seem to be lacking in the gaming category.
3D stacking technology was such a great achievement and a big win for AMD
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Intel still has a long way to go. They need to fix their pipeline efficiency before even trying to stuff more cache.
Core Ultra is also 3D stacked, the comute, SoC and GPU tiles sit on top of a base silicon tile.
@@kingeling Can you share any links, information showing the pipeline inefficiency?
@@assumed10identity I wouldn't be able to pinpoint the problem but it's pretty clear that they've been rehashing P6 for decades with little improvement in power efficiency
Arrow Lake release is so bad, it drove up prices for the AM5 and Raptor Lake CPU's.
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@@iequalsnoob CRY ME A RIVER
Yeah, 7800x3d just crossed over 2000pln in Poland. It used to go below 1400, so when I got it for 1530 in August, I wasn't thrilled about the price... until it became clear it was just starting to go up and I actually got a sweet deal all things considered
Somehow I get happier and happier with my Aldur Lake.
😂
The last review made me go out and buy a 7800X3D to upgrade from my 11700K.. Worth it!
Why? The 9800X3D will be available on Nov 7.
Like PowellCat745 says, you probably should've waited. At the least, the pre-release reviews would give you an idea on whether to wait or not. If the 9800X3D is better then the 7800X3D should go down, but if not... then you buy it then. Oh well, woulda, coulda, shoulda! 😅
@@PowellCat745Honestly? Because it will be quite sone time before the 9800X3D reaches the price point of the 7800X3D. After all, the current 7800X3D price is very different from the launch price.
@@PowellCat745Also, it's available now and is rock solid and super stable. Whereas the new launch. may have some teething issues. And it may be a while until the part's availability becomes reasonable.
@@ShroudedWolf51 What? The 7800X3D literally costs more than the MSRP right now. The 9800X3D is $450-$500. You’re paying a lot for less.
Intel is still struggling to fight against the 5800x3d for gaming(and for efficiency), a 2 year old cpu
@@AphillyatedYT lmao
@@AphillyatedYTCore Ultra 290, 270 and 250 wtih additional 200mhz in a turbo boost, right?
@@AphillyatedYTThe burst-y overclocking focused parts are the parts that benefit gaming worloads the most. Both, server hosting and game execution.
@@AphillyatedYT They dropped the name because the old 1gen 2gen 3gen thing got a tiny bit tainted from the *cough* bullshit.
Rebrand and try again. It helps because people like you have no idea what's going on.
5800x3d isn't just 2 years old, it's 2 years old, on old DDR4, and if you ask intel, it's 3 generations behind.
So yeah intel better release something better soon but guess what, there is zero chance that happens.
@@AphillyatedYTso will AMD AM5 3d chips are coming so Intel will need to pull a Rabbit out of that hat not to look stupid, and I rearly don't want them to look stupid. We need Intel to be competitive to keep AMD honest and innovative
The BSOD in the background really fits the vibe of the new Intel launch 👌
AMD consistently topping each chart here is insane
Is it insane? With how 13th and 14th gen shatting all over the place with failures and barely any improvements, I think it isn't a surprise that their brand new barely power savings arch has such middling performance for a new product. It'll be 2-4 more years or another arch before we see Intel have a chance to claw their way back.
@@be0wulfmarshallz I mean, before ryzen, we used to see a 2 core pentium beating an FX that had 8 cores, seeing AMD winning at gaming AND productivity really is insane to me
AMD had no competition for too long.
The problem with this generation of Inter CPUs as i see it is that they focused a lot on efficiency but forgot about performance. And i can see how that happened since their previous 2 generations had to crank up the watts to try to match / beat AMD's CPUs. Their wins in productivity come mostly with their CPUs increased core counts. I mean the 265K CPU has 20 cores total.
AMD though, since the second gen of Ryzen forcused on efficiency AND performance. Each generation bringing the wattage down and the relative performance UP.
In almost every graph GN just provided, the 5800x3d consistently scores higher while using less power that a brand new chip. Sometimes less than half of the power of the brand new Intel chip.
Yes, the x3d chips aren't great for productivity, but they weren't marketed as such and the situations in which the newest Intel CPUs beat AMD are few and far between. AMD still beats Intel in effciency though.
This shows how badly Intel scrambled to increase performance of their CPUs when the 5800x3d chip launched, and what we have all been saying about just pushing more watts into a CPU won't solve the problem. And this also shows how beastly the 5800x3d, 5700x3d and 5600x3d chips are and how good AMDs engineers worked.
Intel is again going to have to scramble to increase efficiency AND power in order to compete, but AMD has them beat. And as long as AMD doesn't fumble, there's no way they're losing.
@@diogoriskalla5774 You also has so much stagnation that a a socket 1366 high end cpu would still be good to go 10-12 years down the road
Oh boy, been waiting for this. Thanks, Tech Jesus.
Love the BSOD background in the intro -- fitting for this review
Intel likes the color blue
Intel likes blue -- and is feeling blue, too.
I really appreciate you guys keeping up testing results for multiple generations of CPUs instead of just comparing the latest ones. It's nice seeing how my CPU fares
Please make this the last one, let's stop doing this to sand that could have been used for something beneficial.
Yes, the sand could be used far better places. For example, on the floor of your car where it can create demand for vacuum cleaners, or in a swimsuit where it can cause pain and discomfort
Anakin would agree. @@GamersNexus
@@GamersNexus Anakin?! lol
Intel will need it to sandbag harder for the next launch 😅
so the 14th gen had no step up on the 13th gen, and the new ultra chips have no step up if not just worse than the 14th gen?
In a nut shell......yea
pretty much, yes.
Not in gaming, productivity is at least some improvement over 14th gen and a bit of efficiency (but still far behind AMD).
@@nocommentarygaming2644285k beats the 9950x in a lot of games and ties it in productivity/multi threaded workloads. Yes it's actually competitive for a very specific use case: people who want to have high performance gaming and also the best multi threaded power available. It is worth the extra power draw though? Well that depends who you ask, id personally rather have the 9950x since I don't care about gaming.
11th gen was worse than 10th gen too. Intel does that all the time.
I just checked pricing here in NZ. The 285k (top chip) is almost $1200. The 7800x3d is $799. WTF.
yup it's shit. better off ordering online via a retailer that shows nz currency & ships here. trademe is not much better our mentality over here is scalp like and charge gold for shit
You people pay through the nose in taxes I believe
@@P7ab No tax except 15% VAT/GST.
At least you have the consolation of living in NZ, seems like an awesome place.
$1099aud here in Brisbane right now for that. 7800x3d is $658aud right now. I seriously was || that close to dropping on a 265kf with a gigabyte eagle but dunno. I may get a run out discounted 14th gen i5/i7 to upgrade my 13400 instead.
0:44 Love the BSOD on the center monitor in the background.
I love the BSOD screen at the background
Anyone who picked up a 7800x3D back in May for $320 is feeling real good right now...
Got mine in June (£319) when it was becoming clear which way things were heading. 😀
Intel should've done a Sandy to Ivy Bridge transition for Arrow Lake. A 3nm 15900K monolithic die based on RL would've been more performant. I also find it amusing that the firesale prices on the 13700K that was going for $249 suddenly went away just before Arrow Lake reviews started to come out.
Totally agree, was thinking that when everything launched, I'd bet a 14900k on a better node undervolted wouldve been better than this, I know there's more to it than that but this is depressing performance.
@@ThatChannel48
That also would be super expensive!
$1200 to $1500 for 15900k would be bad!
Remember that arrow lake use cheap nodes everywhere where highend Node is not needed! That makes the highend Node smaller and smaller means less errors and that means cheaper price!
Monolith 15900k was no go economically!
Imo Intel should get away from the big little princip and give the cpus more Cache and that based on a monolith. And then maybe some more P Cores, That could have been a gaming beast. Pretty sad..
When overclocked ultra 285k is faster than the 14900k with lower power consumption so there is that
Even need not N3B. Just N4P would be sufficient.
The blue screen of death in the background is rather apropos for this CPU launch.
If you live near a Microcenter, the 5700x3D is often on sale for even less. It was on sale for $180 about a week ago, but now it's at $190. Crazy value if that's an option for you.
yea its the best cost per frame
That central screen behind Steve was just the visual summery of the launch.
the one and only source for solid testing, every other youtube channel is referencing your benchmarks! keep it up!!
Thank you, Steve, for these reviews, this is very generous of you to release this work for free. This a great service for the community who now can make informed buying decisions.
You think the advertisers and YT don't pay them? Lol
i'm still happy with my AM4 5800X build and a GTX-1060.
Mine is 5700X with GT1030. No gaming, ofc. Happy with it.
5600X and 1070TI. No need to upgrade as I game in 60 Hz.
5600x + 3060Ti, still impressed with how awesome it performs
10400f + 3050, it's incredible for a cheapskate like me.
Even the 4 years old 5800X beat the 285K multiple times. Both in performance and efficiency!
Steve, I appreciate the small blue screen detail in the background to truly sell the train wreck this launch was, lol. Great job, as always.
"Don't buy."
"Thanks Steve."
Back to you, Steve.
Thank you for all of your great comprehensive benchmarks. So much better than the usual "game top fps/zip/photoshop/done" reviews. Also, I greatly appreciate including FFXIV in your benchmarks. Thanks for that!
2:31 LOL! That was absolutely brilliant! Hahaha.
What is most embarrassing here is that Zen+ on 14nm is more efficient in some tests that Intel's 3nm. What the hell man hahahaha
That would be *12nm for Zen+
This is made using TSMC 3nm, not Intel 3.
This is Intel's Piledriver, Meteor Lake is Bulldozer.
I love arrows in the B-roll clips, very tasteful
I only just noticed them.
Upgraded from a 3700x to a 5700x3d for a budget tier $180 total a couple months ago.
Looking at the cost of current CPUs I'd only have gotten a modest increase in performance while paying more than double for the CPU, plus needing a new motherboard and RAM, making the total platform upgrade easily 4 to 5 times more expensive than the 5700x3D alone.
That's insane.
This new naming scheme is going to grind my gears 4 years
Wow. They sat the processor next to arrows in the b-roll. Because the lineup is called "Arrow Lake." Bravo, GN.
thanks burke.
Thanks, Zapdos!
Every video of these I see I'm more happy I built my last PC on the AM5 platform and will be buying AMD for the foreseeable future.
Staying with my 5800X3D is still a good idea. Gotcha. Message sent.
I'm ready for the 9800X3D as the 5800X3D is too damn slow with Microsoft Flight Simulator.
the humor in these is getting better with every video. I love it
Waiting for this. Thanks Steve.
Edit:
Am I hearing Steve keep saying "Error Lake"? Well its understandable
How can your Intros be this freaking good. I just woke up, it's 5:45 in the morning after only 4h of sleep and am already on the floor laughing. Thanks steve. xD
This makes me feel great about my 7800X3D (as a gamer)
I'm still amazed that they managed to make the naming scheme even more convoluted than before
The real question is whether they've successfully eliminated the copper oxide extension set. That feature was DOA.
I'm about to overkill on my 1080p gaming setup, but I'm planning for the future. My 4790k can't keep up with most newer titles I want to enjoy. I've used this chip for like 6-7yrs. It's been a good run. Hopefully the 7800X3D can carry me even further.
What I took away from those charts is not only is AM5 kicking its behind in most tests but AM4 is still the budget baller king, getting good FPS per watt on a much MUCH cheaper platform.
Whoooo..... Don't like these CPU's but, I like your reviews on it!! Keep it up. That goes for the sarcasm as well!!
Who made the hand crafted bug used in the coaster b-roll shots? That's really cool, you guys should sell those too ;)
Thank you so much for constantly bringing us such amazing content and for being so honest in your reviews
Everyone's talking about X3D chips, but man those 5800X non 3D results are impressive, it sits basically on par with Zen 4 CPUs in some games tested. I wonder what could be the reason. Maybe the properly tuned DDR4 memory? Or maybe just the selection of games not benefitting from DDR5 or Zen 4 in general? I remember there being a bigger difference between Zen 3 and Zen 4. Amazing review as always anyway.
Single CCD config, GPU bottleneck and the fact that Zen 4 did basically nothing to increase IPC.
The last time i watched my i7-12700K now 3 years old it's around the 7700X in perfomance per watt on games.
This is the IPC order: Zen 5 X3D > Zen 4 X3D > Raptor Lake & Alder Lake = Zen 5 = Zen 3 X3D (?) > Zen 4 > Arrow Lake > Zen 3
I love the shade of “Name is fine and won’t cause any problems.” God I love this show.
The Three Stooges reincarnated into CPUs. What a time to be alive.
As always, thanks Steve.
I guess they made the model number smaller to not mislead customers to thinking it's any better than last gen. Thanks for being honest, Intel.
Hey, bro! I really appreciate these honest and informative reviews, which have given me a better understanding of CPUs. I'm curious if you've ever thought about ergonomic chairs, as I'd love to explore a collaboration with you.
interesting, thanks GN, back to you Steve
Thank you guys, you are the best
Not gonna lie, as someone who primarily uses my pc for gaming, getting my 7800x3d a few months ago for €390 feels like a bargain compared to this gens offerings thus far.
The sarcasm is next level funny. Loving it!
Intel:
Make better products❌
Release garbage to make competition look more attractive😍✅
Thanks for all the reviews !, decided to upgrade my 12400 to 14600k for a little bit of cash after the resale of the 12400. Will wait this generation out before making a whole new pc.
Who remembers sandy bridge through kaby lake where we had 3-5% increases for 4c parts? I would welcome those kinda of gains. Lol
Yeah, AMD and Intel switched sides. Now AMD are the ones making 5% gains per generation while Intel is going through their Bulldozer arc.
love seeing the 5700x3d doing so well in these charts, best purchase this year and thank you gamers nexus for these benchmarks!
I wonder why these charts mostly do not include AMD 9900 and 7900 CPUs, despite them being the direct competitors in terms of price.
Ah apparently they are redoing the chart for the new windows update and had to pick and choose which units to test.
Love the actual arrows next to the CPUs!
the bug at 2:59 looks insanely good where can I get one?
Thank you for putting in the time and effort to even test this properly.
Seriously, this could've well been 2 min. Intro - Sponsor spot - "Do not buy!" - Outro. Now, nobody can argue that you didn't comprehensively show why this isn't worth buying.
You guys should run the Arrow Lake chips against their Raptor Lake equivalents with hyperthreading off so we can see a "we have Arrow Lake at home" graph
6:38
Would be fun to see efficiency when using only P and E cores separately.
Just to get an idea about how big the difference is between them.
The model names are so confusing that I thought you were reuploading the previous video.
Great review: thank you!
I kept hearing ERROR-Lake instead of arrow lake. Joining the Ryzen 5% and AM4ever.
Heavily depending on your desired level of granularity, here, it might be a good Idea to note that not all PC fans are created equal such that simply labeling "fan speed" as 100% may not be as useful as just listing the sizes of the fans as well as which brand they are. If you want to get way off in the weeds, you might use a + or a - sign to indicate which ones are pulling and which are pushing.....but that might be a tad extreme. (particularly in an open chassis)
In any case (get it?)you might find it good to find a slightly more precise way of delineating the actual air volume per second being moved by the fins.
why the 7600x3D not mentioned, that costs less than the 265k?
It's vaporware with poor availability.
265K is 50€ more but much slower.
@@nipa5961 I tried to check out the price of the 7600X3D in my country, apparently it's not sold by any retailer while the u7 265K is already available. As I said, it's vaporware just like the Ryzen 3 3300X.
@@nipa5961 265K destroys 7600X3D in productivity.
@@Dr.WhetFarts 7600X3D destroys 265K in gaming.
Its the shortest video by about 40 seconds, you did it Steve! 0:38
There is goes again. That Ryzen 5 3600 STILL pulling its weight. It's like the 1080ti. It's going to be on those charts everytime....And relevant.
Thats my current cpu, bought in august of 2020 for 160. Will prolly last me another year. Then a upgrade to 9800x3d with a 5000 series gpu if they are decent.
I built such a setup for my niece and she was very happy.
@@CeeJayCeeJjay X3Ds and 3600-5600 is the best thing AMD made
3600 and 5800X3D are the new 2500k. Beasts
Still on a 3700X myself. It's still trucking. As is my 3080.
I'm thinking I'm going to put off my upgrade to next year.
Upgrading my computer to more modern parts is inpossible (over ten years old, newest part is the psu lol) so I'm buying an Amd cpu/gpu with a micro center sale today. Gonna grab a 7800x3d given how intel has ben the last...well while. Gonna grab a fractal design North for my case. Thanks for all the help directly and indirectly in making decisions GN!
As someone that uses a PC for mainly office work and youtube videos, while gaming at most 1hr per day.[game only on weekends] I would appreciate that in future regarding power consumption, idle power will be included as well. Thank you.
Thanks steve
Arrowlake has the same energy as Bulldozer.
I really would love to see a cpu crushing game in the benchmarks - Anno 1800 with a late savegame would do the trick, I think computerbase is using a savegame with a population of 65,000 and there are savegames with even more citizen.
Other than that: nice review, as always 👍
exited for my 7950x3d build!
why not wait for 9nnnX3D?
@@NoNeed4Sympathywhy not wait for AM6 then????.
you people are tiresome
@@SyncF if you compare 2 weeks waiting vs 2 years waiting you should call a doctor.
Thanks for all the work. Especially enjoyed the power analysis stuff you did in the earlier videos in the series, including the informal one explaining how you did it. Also, given the importance of 1% and 0.1% lows, is there a way to make a chart that highlights *those* differences better. As-is, the average frame rates being so much higher kind of makes it hard to see how things stack up when it comes to the lows.
It's a shame that Intel didn't get more oomph out of using an interposer or any of the other cool-but-expensive hardware stuff they used. Given those baked-in higher costs, I wonder how far they can afford to drop the price on these and still make money.
I'm especially disappointed by the gaming performance since, on paper, Intel had every advantage in their favor: using an interposer instead of ccds should mean substantially better core-to-core latency. Not having AVX-512 means they aren't spending a huge part of the die area on something that's dead-weight for gaming and should have been able to spend those transistors in more impactful ways. Same with the transistors they freed up by dropping hyper-threading. They even have a bigger instruction window which, on paper, should let them handle cache misses better than the non-x3d parts from AMD, but even with very fast RAM, the impact seems "meh" at best. I wonder what went wrong during the design process that led to this disappointment despite it all.
Regardless, it seems like the real question for someone needing a new work-from-home PC is whether AMD was being truthful when it implied that the new iteration of X3D design would improve more than just games this time around. There's definitely some "odd" stuff visible on high res die shots of Zen 5 in the area where the connection will be. So I'm exited to see what they actually did with it and whether it actually worked out like they expected.
Intel seems to try to sell performance regression as the new hot shit on the hardware market
Intel Piledriver, Meteor Lake is Bulldozer.
Why do I feel like this channel has become one of those modern day shortwave radio numbers stations?
Thanks for the video.
I'm about to build a new computer with focus on virtualization (VirtualBox/VMWare) aside with some gaming and day to day stuff, should I go with Intel or AMD? Wondering what test is a good comparison to it? Blender, compression, gaming? Since Intel removed the hyper threading thing I'm not sure what to search for.
I saw benchmarks just yesterday on virtualization that put the 285K on top. And for compiling software on Linux, too.
The "Virtualization" benchmark was on techpowerup and the software compilation benchmarks were on Phoronix.
Despite all of the bluster from the gaming crowd, the latest Intel has top performance in a lot of non-gaming benchmarks.
Get the 9950X then.
@@matthewmurrianThe 9950x is better.
@@SyncF ... except for the benchmarks where the 285K is better, such as virtualization.
Best channel! Ty!!
That's a heck of a $99 CPU.
If you consider gaming performance as most important, you're price is sadly accurate.
It makes perfect sense for anyone gaming and doing production work. Or anything AI / coding related.