Hey John, you didn't link in the descript. or put a banner in the video to direct folks to your video showing what makes a holder acceptable. You mentioned you would in this vid. Just letting yah know.
Tactical shelf. Choked on my drink/10. This is a fantastic channel and you're a fantastic source of wisdom and thought on everything conceal carry sir. I recently sold my kimber raptor to my best friend and purchased a vp9sk, and I absolutely love it.
I’ve carried for years but only transitioned to Appendix fairly recently. For me, it’s by far the most concealable form of carry and the most comfortable!
CC California I personally carry a walther pps it’s a single stack comes with a 6 and 7 round magazine I carry both 6+1 and 7 on the side. it’s pretty light. the muzzle length isn’t long, so if you’re like me and move, crouch and bend down often, it mostly stays out of the way and doesn’t stick in your leg or impede much. Great conceal carry in my opinion
I wanted so badly to be able to carry appendix. But my waist is so tiny compared to the rest of me, that it didn't matter that I had a claw on my holster, or anyting. It still printed no matter what I tried. So I ended up having to come up with a different solution. I love your videos. I have learned so much from you. Keep up the great work, sir!
Thanks, John! One VERY strong point I believe you could stress along with the ‘defend/secure’ point is the fact that you can effectively draw from concealment in virtually any position you might be in when someone gets the drop on you, along with the fact that if you need to comply (God forbid) you can lie on it and keep it from being discovered (from amateurs at least), much like that off-duty Brazilian officer you recently broke down for us. Keep up the awesome work!
As a dentist, it is very hard to sit and stand repeatedlycduring the day with AIWB. So I carry strongside on weekdays. Now, during the weekends, I'm AIWB all the way with KSG's Velox
I use vp9sk in KSG Sidekick at a desk job, after about a week of getting used to it, attending and sitting not a big deal. But now with p365, I don't feel a thing! And that's without the wedge, currently using a Vedder Light Tuck with claw. Highly recommend! This set-up.
I don't think the choice of position matters nearly as much as practicing drawing and holstering in your chosen position. Any position is great if you can do it safely, consistently and comfortably. And that ONLY comes with practice. Thanks for the info as always, John!
I carry appendix with the caveat that I avoid a Stryker fired handgun UNLESS it has an additional safety (P365 ms, XDS grip safety). For me and my lifestyle it’s just more comfortable and easier to conceal. Reno0513, you nailed it.
aiwb only works if you're either obese and you have a gut that sits on top of the holster that breaks up the shape of the grip, or if you're skinny and have a concave stomach to stash the holster entirely. or if you just like wearing a tony of extra layers. for a non anorexic mesomorph kind of guy who lives in the desert or similar climates, you're gonna have to wear 2 to 4 o clock, even with a claw, and possibly using micro compacts. i swear the way they used to carry full sized guns back in the day concealed must have sold tons of fishing vests, unfortunately those vests are now a "tell"
That's a good predicament though...the only way to carry for you is appendix AND the best way to conceal carry is appendix. So, there you go. Nothing to see here....move on.
I agree. I'm older now. Moving my arm back to 3 or 4 o'clock really hurts my shoulders. And, turning my head to re- holster hurts my neck. Appendix is the answer for those problems. Thanks!
Very good points and things that I never considered. Not saying I am going away from my 4 o'clock position, but you have given me food for thought. Thanks.
Good explaination! I think another aspect in the retention portion is that you can have two hands pushing down to secure if its a fight, much stronger position for retention if someone wants to play good touch bad touch.
Cool explanation on blading and grappling positioning. Good job of the shelf reduction as well. Another AIWB benefit is in vehicles or whenever seated, it's still right there and available. In a car it's much tougher to get the gun out if it's on your side.
About 4 years ago I tried AIWB and I’ve never looked back. It’s quicker, easier to conceal, more comfortable, easier to retain, and safer. Thanks to AIWB I can conceal a full-size Beretta Elite LTT with a spare mag. 38 rounds of protection!
John I use with AIWB carry both my belt as well as suspenders so to greatly improve the comfort. For certain types of casual dress I use a single leather strap under the T shirt going up and veeing off to left & right shoulder, with a quick release snap clip for removing the holstered gun while going to the bathroom. With smaller guns, no belt needed.
IWB/Appendix w/a striker fired weapon makes me nervous and it’s not something I’d ever do. That said I did carry my off-duty .38 that way for years. Good video John, nice to see another south paw shooter.
I think John produced an informative, well-done piece on IWBAC. Thank you! For me, who has been CC since mid-80s, and as a right-handed shooter, OWB @ 3:00 with my current EDC, G43 in a DeSantis Mini-Scabbard (good retention), spare mag in Glock carrier on left side, has worked well. IWBAC (for me) is uncomfortable when seated. I’m a “senior,” a little chunky now but earlier in life when 5’10” and around 170 lbs, IWBAC still was uncomfortable.
For those of us still working on the chub, side carry is the only way I've found to do it comfortably (i.e., I'll actually wear it) and safely. Except that I can't, I'd love to carry appendix.
I think you definitely could appendix carry, I’m 5’10 and 270lbs and I appendix carry. I started out carrying at the 4:30 position with a GARAGE Alien Gear Holster and I always printed. I bought a good gun belt (Kore Essentials) with Harry’s Executive Holster with soft loops, claw and wedge. It’s been simply the most concealable, comfortable way hands down. One more thing with the Holster if you can get extra length added it makes it comfort and adds stability helping with rollout when bending over.
This is why I'm a patron member. Your Experience, your well researched information, well throughout, well presented. Lots of facts, only a little opinion. Entertaining :) I'm constantly learning from you John. Thank you! Troy. #
Good video John. Been wearing my JM Custom Kydek appendix holster for my mp 2.0 compact last 10 months everyday. I love it. Almost to the point of buying a spare. Already have a spare 2.0 compact.
I used to wear a tie at my job everyday with lots of client interaction. I wore a aiwb using a “smart carry” sling. It was/is fantastic. Tucked shirt, flat front, nothing noticeable to clients. For those that have to dress up, I think it’s the best concealed option. Now that I’m out of the tie, I carry iwb at 4 o’clock. I’ll revisit aiwb again and see which works best. Thanks John.
John, your show has helped me tremendously. I am 66 yo grandma about ready to take my first conceal carry class. I bought a Taurus G2C, because the 1957 Standard LR 22 I started learning on in August 2020 is a little too big for concealed carry on my particular body. My gun club safety range officers say I am very good at grouping shots (3-8 yard distances) where they need to be, with FBI type shooting too. My Taurus is just a few weeks old. It like it alot. I have bought a velcro gun belt for CC purpose. I like the thick belt better than the waist elastic type, because the holster comes off with the gun too often and too easily (with nothing for the hook to grab). I also have a paddle holster. My state has Constitutional carry, but I travel to see my son, grandson, and other family through several states on my path to Wisconsin from a south west direction. Illinois is the state I am most concerned with. I always have my safety on, sometimes, when I feel it is needed, I carry the gun with a round in the chamber. The Taurus has a loaded chamber (visual and/or tactile confirm) indicator on top which I appreciate. I always treat either of my guns as though it is loaded. I am concerned when I sit in my car where that bullet (in a possible neg discharge) would go if in my carry bag or in a holster worn. If it hits my hip bone or my transmission, or worse yet my gas tank or line, then my hip probably wouldn't be needed any more. What are your thoughts?
Good video John. I agree with you, appendix carry works well for me. I carry a Springfield XD-9 (McRib version (-:) in a Vedder kydex holster as my carry gun. The trigger safety AND the grip safety provides a lot of confidence when properly drawing and especially, carefully, slowly, holstering your weapon.
Hi John. Thank you for these post you are making. I have recently decided to start carrying everyday and AIWB was always in my mind the way I wanted to go. Like you say finding the right holster is what I am still working on though. A negative that I have noticed and not seen anyone mention is this. When I get home my kids have always run up to me to get a hug from dad. Since I started carrying I noticed very quickly that my youngest daughter slammed her head right in that area, point #1 obviously dangerous but also #2 a bit sore on her little head. So that's a sacrifice I had to make and change the way I recieve her in this situation. When she gets taller that won't be so much of an issue but for now we'll I adapted a new way that will work till then. Thank you from Zambia 🇿🇲 Southern Africa
@@armedrebellion47 I believe he does shoot a lot but I don't think he really trains if that makes sense. He thinks quick draws are unnecessary and he puts skulls on his guns (NOT good for a jury).
SMS, Marshal finds a way to disparage any technique that is uncomfortable or he is too lazy to change to. Then if he decides to do something different he’ll justify it with some lame excuse.
I practice draw with a dummy gun in my Vedder appendix holster with a heavy duty belt clip. My live firearm goes into my holster in hand first then I slip it into the appendix position on my belt. At the end of the day I pull off The holster & gun as one. In the unlikely event of having to draw my gun I would simply use my left hand to get under the clip and pull the appendix position holster out and reinsert my firearm in hand then slip it back into the appendix position as one. I feel like that's the best way for me. Thanks for all the great info john.
This was a great video for less skilled people like myself, so much useful information for both the actual carrying and how not to send yourself to the ER or take the ambient air temperature challenge.
Appendix carry is by far the most concealable and comfortable for me. And now that I've switched from a Glock 19 to a CZ P07 it's even more comfortable.
The day someone shows me a video of a gun firing all by its self with no trigger pull and no human manipulation is the day I will be afraid of appendix carry. Until then it will be something I always do.
@@brandon23471 except holstering and unholstering with strong side carry is when you flag yourself and your femoral artery, not holstering and unholstering with AIWB
Those that argue against appendix carry for safety reasons certainly do have merits, but if you started carrying appendix yourself, I'd bet you also would be 10x more careful holstering and drawing. When the stakes are higher, you'll be more careful. That alone could save you. Appendix is nice that everything is in front so you can see what you are doing, and have two hands to do it. The bigger problem is the holster... don't get a crap one. I don't care if you carry 3 o clock or wherever, but a crap holster will jeopardize your safety more than appendix carry ... just ask the sherpa guys and gals who've had ND's
Thanks for the details. I don't carry concealed yet, and since I usually have to wear a business suit often, I am leaning toward appendix carry as the best way to conceal the bulge. I am generally above average in fit, so i can wear at any position, but I think this is the least obvious place anybody would notice - with or without a suit jacket on. Your video has helped assuage certain lingering concerns, since I have not really gone into these details with any of my firearms instructors yet about this position. I just keep paying attention and collecting observations and insights from current users...
What? You are tucking in a properly fitted shirt under a jacket and a gun is _less_ visible in front of your body then at +/_ 3 o'clock? If you use a "tuckable" itwill bulge your shirt in front unless you bag it like a shmuck, and then you have to rip a properly tucked dress shirt with real tails out over the gun. Conversely, at 3 or 3:30 you just sweep the jacket with your bladed right hand (and a bit of weight in the right pocket or inserted in the right seam and draw with one hand while your left is free for defense. Appendix relies on dressing like a slob and requires two hands.
I don’t disagree but as you have said you started 4 or 5 years ago would you say that as your comfort level goes up with handling fire arms that that contributes to comfort of appendix carry? I feel it’s best for a new shooter to get comfortable handling firearms and holstering them is best. I my self struggle with appendix carry and I’m not carrying much of a tactical shelf( love that terminology) it digs into me badly, I did cowboy re enactment for a good while years ago and some fast draw so strong side feels best for me and I can draw and holster with out looking for the most part depending on clothing I have on. Also being a lefty is hard to find holsters.
Thanks for the time and effort you expend on your channel. I've watched and enjoyed your content for years. Before today I was staunchly opposed to appendix carry (A C) because of the often stated "junk" objection. I never before considered that the wedge you showed could dispel my prejudice about A C. However, I'm a little open minded so I'm glad I watched all the way to the end and only wish you had included in this video a demonstration of you drawing while seated with the AC holster. Being able to easily and quickly draw while seated is a high priority for me. I'm likely to make a holster for A C soon just so I can gain that experience. The only problems I suspect are the fitment issue you mentioned and my "shelf." lol I make my own holsters for the last few years and have been carrying about 6 years. My most recent holster is cross draw. It's much easier to draw while seated and that's why I spent the time to design my own cross draw holster. When I first began seeing anyone on videos or movies carrying cross draw I was opposed mainly because it looked "dorky." lol. However after carrying cross draw for several months I've grown to appreciate how easy it is to draw while seated. No body gyrations at all are needed for drawing while seated and a standing draw is at least as easy as a draw from strong side. Cross draw holsters are absolutely no good for open carry because it presents the grip to any potential attackers. But for concealed carry I think it's tops (at least for the moment). My cross draw is extremely comfortable all day. It adds zero discomfort at all so I'm happy to carry that way. I wear my cross draw holster on a separate belt (about 1.5" wide and as stiff as I can find) right over my regular pant belt. It's easy to remove the belt / holster combo both at the same time and to put it back on quickly and conveniently. It conceales as easily as an OWB strong side holster. The belt loops are a little different than strong side holsters, but your holster maker will perfect the design change in no time. The belt loop afrangement also lends itself to obtaining the desired cant. I haven't even tried to make the cross draw in the belt style. I think it could be accomplished, butat the moment I see no advangage to that.
Hi John - am watching several of your instructional videos as a refresher. I carry appendix, and believe that is the best draw from being seated (in a car).
I love my sidekick or whatever it’s called from KSG armory. But I adjusted the cant to see how carrying behind the hip is. First thing I noticed was I couldn’t see the holster at all while trying to reholster
Q series minimalist holster at 4 I clock has been very excellent I'm a porter at a car dealership getting in and out of cars all day ....aiwb seems to jam my legs ....However I Believe as John said DO WHATS BEST FOR YOU..GREAT STUFF AS ALWAYS..
I have a tactical shelf. I carry appendix. I will disagree with you on one point: when I sit down, I know the pistol is pointed at my junk. It's not something I'm "afraid of" but it does stay in my thoughts at times. Call me naive in trusting my gun that much but the gun is only out of the holster when I'm training. Gun stays in the holster when I'm attaching or taking it off my belt.
@@ASPextra absolutely this. I dont know how many times people will say, its pointing at you when you're sitting down. No it's not when its holstered it's just a chunk of metal. John are you on reddit? Reddit.com/r/ccw could benefit from your expertise, there can be a lot of misinformation on there.
@@dillonpatterson4310 I just don't have time to participate over there. I am at my limits with what I am doing, and arguing with strangers on the internet is frustrating. :)
@@ASPextra Isn't that the honest truth lol. You can't logic someone out of an argument they didnt logic themselves into. I appreciate you taking your time to reply, thanks for all the work you do. It's hard to find the time and money for quality training with a family but your videos are always good supplements and lessons. Thanks again.
Good information. I was hoping that you would cover what to do when you sit down. Every time I have tried AIWB carry, I can’t sit without the gun stabbing me in the groin or the top of my leg. It may be the holsters I’ve tried, but it happens with all of them. I do have a tactical shelf, but not a large one. Do you have any tips for dealing with this?
Yea, as a guy with the middle aged +20 tummy I can't imagine keeping my gun here. Maybe an old 25 otherwise no way. 3 days of this with lots of sitting or getting up and down and I'd rather shoot myself. If I had a job on my feet all day then maybe?
Well said John. Huge props for posting a video on appendix carry. I carry appendix and agree with everything you discussed. Thanks again and be safe! Randy
Don’t know if others noticed but I really liked your hand position on the gun (with thumb on the back of the slide) when putting it back in the holster. Excellent technique. 👍👍
it's funny i started off last nov when i got my ccw ID with strong side carry. I did a ninja roll and the holster stabbed me so hard in the side i started bleeding lol. I never went back. Switched to AIWB on Day 5, and stuck with it. I love it, best method ever... unless of course your're wearing an midrop offset... that is just naturally the fastet safest and most comfortable if you're not going concealed imo. Thaks for this vid john I agree!
I think it's the best too. But I can't get over the fact that it's always pointed at my wobbly bits. It's near impossible it would ever happen but if I had to get shot with my holstered firearm, I'd rather be shot in the butt check, than in my man hood and family jewels.
@@ASPextra Ok, I get what you're saying when you say 'not pointed' (I read your same answer in another comment). Domino52o, a firearm is not pointed at anyone/anything, if it's not in a 'state of readiness', and because the trigger is not accessible, it's not in a state of readiness.. i.e., at the gun range, because of the way it's carried, EVERY rifle being brought inside is 'pointed' at people, but because it's inaccessible, it's not considered the same as someone holding a gun and 'pointing' that gun (empty or loaded) at someone. Active Self Protection Extra It's a good idea to define 'pointed' firearms, to save having to give the same answer over and over, especially with AIWB topics!
Plenty of good points but personally I have a strong preference for carrying in a shoulder holster. IWB always feels just slightly awkward for me and shoulder holster carry just conceals better under the light jacket I'm always wearing than OWB does. It's funny you mention getting hugs at church though because that's something that's never far from my mind on Sunday morning. The trick that I've found that works well is that I always carry my Bible in my hand on the side with the gun. When I get a little bit more confident in my hugging technique I might even up it to having the spare mags, but I'd have to be really sure I could always get my arm on the inside of the hug.
Meh... its not a safety concern for me. I am just fat. Strongside for me. (edit: I just caught the meaning of Tactical shelf lol ... when I look down it looks like Im peeing from my bellybutton)
I used to be fat and felt the same way. I started carrying AIWB and it became a constant reminder to lose some weight. Now that I'm thin I feel it's the best way. Just get some pants that fit properly with the gun and your pants and you will be convinced it's the best way. When I had a gut I was too proud to get larger pants and it only hindered the transition to appendix carry.
@Daniel W Get a better holster then. A good holster with a wedge won't stab you. Also... If you're Pelvis is being stabbed appendix style you're body is weird :P
John Corria, You have proven over and over again, that you know what youre talking about when it comes to safety, usefulness, and all of that. I Trust your advice COMPLETELY... I hope your viewers are on the same page too!!
I’d prefer all new shooters to learn how to use an OWB holster before transitioning to any Iwb holster. Build good habits. Second, visually clearing your holster is all well and good until the lights are out.....use your thumb to clear the holster. Third edit: John, this video is kind of BS. You’re justifying good appendix technique by showing terrible strong side techniques. It’s a false dichotomy dude. There are good arguments to be made but you didn’t make them
I am telling you what I see, again and again, as strong side errors. Happens all the time. Not saying you can't reholster safely strong side because you can. But the visual inspection thing is a sure problem strong side. That's not technique. Also, "reholster in the dark?" How many CCW gunfights do you think there are that require a pitch black reholster? I would say that number is vanishingly small.
Active Self Protection Extra it’s less about CCW gunfights and more about every time the gun comes out to search a home or property in the dark that doesn’t end in a gun fight. Reholstering in the dark isn’t irrelevant just because it’s not on camera, don’t be obtuse. If someone has bad technique when reholster it’s dangerous. If someone has good technique it’s less dangerous regardless of carry location. This argument as a justification for appendix falls flat. My opinion.
Thank you. I realize this video is a year old now, but I just found it. Newbie shooter here, I've owned a handgun for only a few months, and I appendix carry because I have spine and shoulder mobility issues that prevent me from being able to draw from 4 and makes 3 difficult, and 2. After seeing all of the other videos about how bad appendix carry is, it's refreshing to see some that show that is is at least as safe as a hip carry, or at least can be if the user isn't an idiot.
I sometimes carry like this, but not while driving, I think it could seriously injure you in a car crash, I was rear ended once on I-17, it was bad, and If I had been carrying appendix it would have smashed my organs very bad.
@@ASPextra At a recent course I took one of the other students was an ER Doc. He carries AIWB and I asked him about this specific issue. He stated that basically the gun/holster unit would be pushed against the "squishy parts" and injury from that was unlikely.
@@ASPextra I would venture to say that gentleman has all of the credentials you don't need to answer the question at hand (and to be fair to him, he's answering the question of how to wear the seat belt to maximize its efficacy, not so much what the gun will do to you when it's smashed into your abdomen with extreme pressure). I'd be more interested in hearing what medical professionals have to say about it. After all, your body is being pushed into the gun with a large fraction of your body weight at a large fraction of the speed you were going. Case in point, the seat belt ALONE can prove injurious during accidents (see "seat belt syndrome" on the internets). And that's with proper function of the seat belt (i.e., it distributing the load across your abdomen). Adding a pressure point to that equation will almost certainly cause further injury -- or make the existing possibility of injury significantly more likely.
@@ASPextra I agree 100% with the Facebook link you provided. I slightly raise up my holster position when sitting in a car so that I can ensure that the belt is down low across my hips where it should be. When the belt tightens it won't be pressing against my holster so won't be forcing it into my body at all. I think the ER Dr. above, is correct as well.
Appendix Carry using the Raven Vanguard 2 trigger guard on a string in combination with a Sticky holster is how I conceal carry. With the Vanguard 2 on a string, I already have this trigger guard on before my pistol goes in my IWB Sticky holster. Reholstering takes two hands and I am never in a hurry. This combo is very comfortable and makes me feel very safe.
I used to rarely carry appendix bc of horror stories. I hurt my rotator cuff last summer, and yes, it was almost impossible to draw and holster strong side, so I started AIWB out of necessity. Once I finally found the right holster (KSG Sidekick with foam for me), appendix became my default. I only wear strongside now when I’m in the woods or fishing or doing something where concealed tactical readiness isn’t the priority.
I gave AIWB a try, and while I liked how well it concealed, I went back to 4 O'Clock. My biggest issue was not being able to draw while seated in a car with a seat belt on.
@@ASPextra Lean slightly left-forward, draw. Where is this huge problem people keep bringing up? What I see is the "fear" of appendix is a strawman, it has a host of pragmatic issues for people who can't run around in casual-casual all day.
I appreciate and greatly value Jon's dedication and experience. For me....appendix...just can't do it. Tried three different brand AIWB: AXIS, Phlstr, TXC. Trained extensively, live and dry. It's really a psychological issue, for me. My formative training at FAS was all using strong side IWB @ 4 o'clock. (I showed up my first day with my G19 riding in a Galco "Miami Vice" special, we all make mistakes!) Mass respect for Rick and Marty. For EDCC, I have to stay with strong side IWB and strong side OWB with my 10mm "bruin tamer" in the back country. Just my experience.
Yeah Marty absolutely loathes AIWB carry. Like passionately, for some reason. And of course when your first formative teacher really ingrains something into you, that's hard to overcome. I wish he'd moderate his approach on that issue, and a couple of others too.
Love your vids - I'm almost addicted to them. Holsters: I'm 72, but still ride my 3 motorcycles, hunt, fish and am in generally good shape - almost. I'm right handed but have severe right shoulder problems - to the extent that strong side draw or strong side SOB carry is not a good option. (I even have trouble getting my wallet from my right hip pocket.) I mostly front pocket carry a small 9mm (but its' very slow) OR cross draw carry. I'm aware of the danger of being disarmed from the front by an opponent, but cross draw is essentially my new "strong side." My family has suffered 3 armed confrontations with shots fired - one dead brother in a drive-by (random racial attack at a park), one dead perp (my former LE father in self defense), one where a trespassing perp shot, missed then ran (grandfather in a very rural location returned fire), so I take EDC very seriously. I particularly cannot draw while seated in a vehicle from strong side carry. I'm very aware that presentation can muzzle a lot in front of me, but I train to turn my body so that my draw muzzles very little. FromQUESTION: do have any suggestions for cross draw carry - brand, draw & reholster details, etc. Thanks again, from a fairly active old geezer.
@@ASPextra Hi John... I have carried AIWB and carried that way for some time. Since my shoulder problem it is quite painful to draw from AIWB and also painful to put my right hand on my LEFT side (9 o'clock). I ALMOST carry AIWB "weak side." By that I mean that I wear the cross-draw NOT on my left side but "off-side" AIWB just to the left of my belt buckle - at a 45 degree angle, muzzle away from left leg when seated. Until the doc schedules my right shoulder surgery I'm sort of stuck with this position OR carry left side (weak side) and draw/fire with my left hand. I like practicing weak hand firing, but I shoot much better/quicker with strong hand. It's been working fairly well, so I guess my only question is, "Do you have any practical suggestions for a person who carries as I do?" Thanks again for your time and your vids. I learn a lot of practical stuff. -Ray
I know everyone is making a joke, but I do have 3 holsters, or more with me when I'm out and about. I use the one I need for what I'm doing. I'm 6 foot and 135 pounds and wear a suit in public. I use a shoulder holster for standing and walking, as that type of holster doesn't weigh down my trousers. I really prefer the shoulder holster all the time, but there are times when I want to remove my jacket in public (such as eating a meal in a restaurant) and in those instances I use an IWB. I can remove my jacket, and although my pistol is visible, it's not obnoxiously visible. Yes, I change holsters sometimes 3 times a day. It takes merely seconds and I have what I want for whatever I'm doing. Concealing is a dynamic thing, and I have found that no one concealment holster can do everything . Just a thought.
The biggest challenge of appendix carry for me is being able to access my firearm while driving or sitting in a car. Now I'm talking about inside the waistband. I am hugely open to other methods of carrying that allows me to defend myself while inside an automobile while having the firearm on my person. The reason for and why is I drive for a ride sharing app. Also some some videos on tactics on how to defend or defuse situations that may arise from inside a vehicle would be cool.
I ride various motorcycles. Strong Side is the only way for me. I also have to use a retention strap, but I'll live with it vs losing my gun on the highway.
Great tips and discussion on carry concerns all around. The main issue I have with appendix carry is the idea that a chambered live round is pointing straight at a hornet's nest of blood vessels while in the seated position. For desk jockeys, that is most of the time.
@@ASPextra I understand your point and it's a good one. Still doesn't make me feel much better when I know a hollow point is aimed right at a vital area. I might try it with an empty chamber, but there are plenty of songs about that too. So for me, nothing beats the traditional strong side carry. Thank you for your work.
@@ASPextra Nope, not true. As I sit here now, in my keyboard commando position, my OWB, strong-side P938 is pointed straight through the recliner to the floor. When I get up and walk around, it's still not pointed at me. If I raise my leg rest, it's still pointed at the floor and not at me or anyone else for that matter. When I draw, correctly, it never crosses my foot, or thigh, or butt. Sure, anyone can draw or re-holster incorrectly into and out of any holster arrangement. But, during the brief period that I tried appendix carry, I could not get over the fact that I was intentionally pointing a loaded firearm at myself. I am not comfortable with that. Many are, especially lately, and I say, go for it if you like it. But I think it unwise, for me, because it gives me the heebeegeebees.
I bet you're not seeing how often that gun is pointed at you. But it's not, because it's holstered. I bet you don't pay close attention to how often you point that gun at yourself when holstering, either.
I tried appendix carry once. It was very comfortable and worked well, until i sat down..... Maybe a different/better holster would have worked. Not sure if i could ever make it work or would want to try again. Regardless, you make many good points to keep in mind, whatever way you decide to carry.
Most people who said appendix carry is uncomfortable are those who use an 3-4 o’clock holster type and just use it for appendix. Some won’t give it a month to get the feel of it. I work 10h-12h a day sitting and standing. I use both appendix and 3:30 carry. Depend on my cloth/mood that day. No matter what position you carry. It will feel uncomfortable during the first few weeks. You will learn how to adjust the holster, pant, or belt just a little bit and all the discomfort disappear. It’s going to be second nature on the small adjustment throughout the day if you carry long enough. As for blowing off your junk. Get yourself a good made holster with a hard trigger guard. Stop unholster and holstering your gun while it’s on you. Gun does not fire unless trigger is pulled. P.S I am a short 5ft4 Asian 200lb. I can carry both with shirt tuck and won’t print. You can do it with enough carrying time and dress around your gun. Give it time.
Prosthetic was a great description of getting used to AIWB carry. I'm getting used to a PHLster Enigma right now. I've found my sweet spot is a little bit higher than a belt mounted AIWB holster would be worn with about half my holster sticking out of my pants. With the Enigma I don't have to dress around my holster as I don't need a belt so I can wear any kind of pants that I have already. No need for a stiff tactical belt to keep the gun from tipping out. I had to add a papoose, Mastermind Tactics pillow and a comfort belt and to it but it was well worth it for the comfort. I've showed it to exactly one person who immediately said, "so you're pointing your gun at your junk." Sigh....
I carried aiwb for a couple years and switched my main gun back to strong side. It's more concealable on the draw, and more comfortable to carry. I carry a second gun, a .38 snubbie at 11 o clock orientated for left handed draw. You did a video of an ATM robbery where the CCW was carrying AIWB. If I remember right, he had to slightly turn his back to draw without being noticed by the BG.
Hi John, here is another video you did where the defender turned his back so that he could conceal his draw from AIWB. This is one of the 2 main reasons I switched back to strong side (although I do carry a snubbie BUG appendix) ua-cam.com/video/xyhEiL4rHDE/v-deo.html
I do notice in the time I've been a concealed carrier. That I had to up my regular style t-shirts from a LG to XLG when I got my tier 1 Agis holster on and wearing a SOILD color design shirt. polo type and plaid button up types I can wear a LG still.
I think, especially with people new to concealed carry, comfort is a big deal. It's hard to get a grown man or woman to get used to doing something on a daily basis when there is a more comfortable alternative. Also, an uncomfortable setup will probably lead to the gun being carried less often. I'm fairly new myself, but that's just my opinion.
Excellent points pertaining to AIWB, John. I do either pocket carry or appendix carry. Thank you for your educational vids. I’m fairly new to ASP Extra, but I’ve watched the lion’s share of your ASP channel. my only complaint about this video is the red laser damaged my eyes 😂 the laser beam came out of my iPad and got me... God bless,
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Hey John, you didn't link in the descript. or put a banner in the video to direct folks to your video showing what makes a holder acceptable. You mentioned you would in this vid. Just letting yah know.
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Tactical shelf. Choked on my drink/10. This is a fantastic channel and you're a fantastic source of wisdom and thought on everything conceal carry sir. I recently sold my kimber raptor to my best friend and purchased a vp9sk, and I absolutely love it.
Your weightloss has inspired me to get off my butt, lose some weight, and take some real training classes. Thank you for what you do John!
You can do it! I’m rooting for you!
I’ve carried for years but only transitioned to Appendix fairly recently. For me, it’s by far the most concealable form of carry and the most comfortable!
Mind me asking what you prefer to carry appendix? Thanks 👍
CC California I personally carry a walther pps it’s a single stack comes with a 6 and 7 round magazine I carry both 6+1 and 7 on the side. it’s pretty light. the muzzle length isn’t long, so if you’re like me and move, crouch and bend down often, it mostly stays out of the way and doesn’t stick in your leg or impede much. Great conceal carry in my opinion
I wanted so badly to be able to carry appendix. But my waist is so tiny compared to the rest of me, that it didn't matter that I had a claw on my holster, or anyting. It still printed no matter what I tried. So I ended up having to come up with a different solution. I love your videos. I have learned so much from you. Keep up the great work, sir!
“Obviously we’d never wear 3 holsters”
You underestimate my tacticool power
Only three?
Thanks, John!
One VERY strong point I believe you could stress along with the ‘defend/secure’ point is the fact that you can effectively draw from concealment in virtually any position you might be in when someone gets the drop on you, along with the fact that if you need to comply (God forbid) you can lie on it and keep it from being discovered (from amateurs at least), much like that off-duty Brazilian officer you recently broke down for us.
Keep up the awesome work!
As a dentist, it is very hard to sit and stand repeatedlycduring the day with AIWB. So I carry strongside on weekdays. Now, during the weekends, I'm AIWB all the way with KSG's Velox
jonirokets I would have thought a dentist to be carrying while at work, but I think it’s awesome. Carry everywhere, all the time, no excuses. 👍🏻
Consistency of carry technique is probably best. Choose one and stick to it.
@@JimAssalone I do know that. However, I prefer AIWB, but my line of work doe not allow me to do it comfortably. That is why I train both ways
@@derekh2068 aw yeah. Carry everytime, everywhere i can
I use vp9sk in KSG Sidekick at a desk job, after about a week of getting used to it, attending and sitting not a big deal.
But now with p365, I don't feel a thing! And that's without the wedge, currently using a Vedder Light Tuck with claw. Highly recommend! This set-up.
I don't think the choice of position matters nearly as much as practicing drawing and holstering in your chosen position. Any position is great if you can do it safely, consistently and comfortably. And that ONLY comes with practice. Thanks for the info as always, John!
I carry appendix with the caveat that I avoid a Stryker fired handgun UNLESS it has an additional safety (P365 ms, XDS grip safety). For me and my lifestyle it’s just more comfortable and easier to conceal. Reno0513, you nailed it.
aiwb only works if you're either obese and you have a gut that sits on top of the holster that breaks up the shape of the grip, or if you're skinny and have a concave stomach to stash the holster entirely. or if you just like wearing a tony of extra layers. for a non anorexic mesomorph kind of guy who lives in the desert or similar climates, you're gonna have to wear 2 to 4 o clock, even with a claw, and possibly using micro compacts. i swear the way they used to carry full sized guns back in the day concealed must have sold tons of fishing vests, unfortunately those vests are now a "tell"
HAMMER DOWN John, weight loss is looking great
Thanks!
@@ASPextra What wedge would you recommend for an AIWB rig?
Fabspeedy not sure what holster you’re running but tier 1 concealed has wedge sizing packs for $15. 4 different sizes.
@@nightman5086 Thanks. I'll take a look.
*HAMMER DAHN
im really skinny and the only way I can totally conceal a compact size gun is to appendix carry. so that's the only
way I carry.
Yea I need a tips video for skinny people who can't take advantage of all those fat rolls covering a printing weapon
i have to do the appendix cross draw and i could wear just a t shirt but any other place i would have to wear a light jacket
Yea I carry appendix as well. I usually have a full size grip so I like having something a little thicker to help with printing
That's a good predicament though...the only way to carry for you is appendix AND the best way to conceal carry is appendix. So, there you go. Nothing to see here....move on.
Excellent lesson, Thanks John 👏👍😉
I agree. I'm older now. Moving my arm back to 3 or 4 o'clock really hurts my shoulders. And, turning my head to re- holster hurts my neck. Appendix is the answer for those problems. Thanks!
Here in Wisconsin it’s winter 9/12 months of the year so we CAN wear three guns because of all the winter weather gear 👍🔥🥃
YEAH BUT GoOO LUCK GETTING TO IT UNDER ALL THAT damn winter gear.
From your profile picture I can tell your a fellow man of culture 😉👍
We Are Kicking you out of the " Fat Guy Club " 😅 keep on producing awesome content man I love what you do for our firearms industry 👍🏽👍🏽😎🇺🇸
Haha I love it! Still have 30 pounds to go.
Very good points and things that I never considered. Not saying I am going away from my 4 o'clock position, but you have given me food for thought. Thanks.
Good explaination! I think another aspect in the retention portion is that you can have two hands pushing down to secure if its a fight, much stronger position for retention if someone wants to play good touch bad touch.
Cool explanation on blading and grappling positioning. Good job of the shelf reduction as well. Another AIWB benefit is in vehicles or whenever seated, it's still right there and available. In a car it's much tougher to get the gun out if it's on your side.
About 4 years ago I tried AIWB and I’ve never looked back. It’s quicker, easier to conceal, more comfortable, easier to retain, and safer. Thanks to AIWB I can conceal a full-size Beretta Elite LTT with a spare mag. 38 rounds of protection!
Hey, I am training with Ernest this weekend!
Active Self Protection Extra sweet! I am bringing him out to the range I’m a member at next year. I can’t wait to train with him.
John I use with AIWB carry both my belt as well as suspenders so to greatly improve the comfort. For certain types of casual dress I use a single leather strap under the T shirt going up and veeing off to left & right shoulder, with a quick release snap clip for removing the holstered gun while going to the bathroom. With smaller guns, no belt needed.
I haven’t been watching the channel that much but dude you’re looking awesome. You’re killin it. Keep gettin smaller.
IWB/Appendix w/a striker fired weapon makes me nervous and it’s not something I’d ever do. That said I did carry my off-duty .38 that way for years. Good video John, nice to see another south paw shooter.
Another great video sir. Love your content cuz it's relevant, practical & informative. Keep'em coming! 👍
Great points. I’ve carried for over 30 years and have tried several methods, and teach newer folks to try each and see what they think.
Man I appreciate you videos and instruction ! I’ve learned SO MUCH from this channel ! Thank you .
Glad to help!
I am new to this world and just seeing the options that exist, I knew that this should be the safest way for obvious reasons. good job
I’m still on my weight loss journey, but I definitely Love the term tactical shelf.
I think John produced an informative, well-done piece on IWBAC. Thank you! For me, who has been CC since mid-80s, and as a right-handed shooter, OWB @ 3:00 with my current EDC, G43 in a DeSantis Mini-Scabbard (good retention), spare mag in Glock carrier on left side, has worked well. IWBAC (for me) is uncomfortable when seated. I’m a “senior,” a little chunky now but earlier in life when 5’10” and around 170 lbs, IWBAC still was uncomfortable.
For those of us still working on the chub, side carry is the only way I've found to do it comfortably (i.e., I'll actually wear it) and safely. Except that I can't, I'd love to carry appendix.
I think you can. I did, when I was 60 pounds heavier.
Can do shoulder carry comfortably and safely
300th parallel
I think you definitely could appendix carry, I’m 5’10 and 270lbs and I appendix carry. I started out carrying at the 4:30 position with a GARAGE Alien Gear Holster and I always printed. I bought a good gun belt (Kore Essentials) with Harry’s Executive Holster with soft loops, claw and wedge. It’s been simply the most concealable, comfortable way hands down. One more thing with the Holster if you can get extra length added it makes it comfort and adds stability helping with rollout when bending over.
@@mackman1245 Shoulder carry has too much muzzle aiming issues when drawing and holstering one's gun.
This is why I'm a patron member. Your Experience, your well researched information, well throughout, well presented. Lots of facts, only a little opinion. Entertaining :) I'm constantly learning from you John. Thank you!
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Thanks Troy!
Good video John. Been wearing my JM Custom Kydek appendix holster for my mp 2.0 compact last 10 months everyday. I love it. Almost to the point of buying a spare. Already have a spare 2.0 compact.
JM Custom kydex makes some of the best holsters I've owned. Never been disappointed by a holster I've owned from them
I used to wear a tie at my job everyday with lots of client interaction. I wore a aiwb using a “smart carry” sling. It was/is fantastic. Tucked shirt, flat front, nothing noticeable to clients. For those that have to dress up, I think it’s the best concealed option. Now that I’m out of the tie, I carry iwb at 4 o’clock. I’ll revisit aiwb again and see which works best. Thanks John.
I’ve been AIWB for at least 3 years now and it’s the only way I roll unless I got the war belt and all the kit...
John, your show has helped me tremendously. I am 66 yo grandma about ready to take my first conceal carry class. I bought a Taurus G2C, because the 1957 Standard LR 22 I started learning on in August 2020 is a little too big for concealed carry on my particular body. My gun club safety range officers say I am very good at grouping shots (3-8 yard distances) where they need to be, with FBI type shooting too. My Taurus is just a few weeks old. It like it alot. I have bought a velcro gun belt for CC purpose. I like the thick belt better than the waist elastic type, because the holster comes off with the gun too often and too easily (with nothing for the hook to grab). I also have a paddle holster. My state has Constitutional carry, but I travel to see my son, grandson, and other family through several states on my path to Wisconsin from a south west direction. Illinois is the state I am most concerned with. I always have my safety on, sometimes, when I feel it is needed, I carry the gun with a round in the chamber. The Taurus has a loaded chamber (visual and/or tactile confirm) indicator on top which I appreciate. I always treat either of my guns as though it is loaded. I am concerned when I sit in my car where that bullet (in a possible neg discharge) would go if in my carry bag or in a holster worn. If it hits my hip bone or my transmission, or worse yet my gas tank or line, then my hip probably wouldn't be needed any more. What are your thoughts?
Bullets don’t make gas explode. :)
It's a sign of the times when I don't remember what hugs at church are like lol
Amen!
Good video John. I agree with you, appendix carry works well for me. I carry a Springfield XD-9 (McRib version (-:) in a Vedder kydex holster as my carry gun. The trigger safety AND the grip safety provides a lot of confidence when properly drawing and especially, carefully, slowly, holstering your weapon.
Excellent Lesson, John! THANKS 👏😉👍
Hi John. Thank you for these post you are making.
I have recently decided to start carrying everyday and AIWB was always in my mind the way I wanted to go. Like you say finding the right holster is what I am still working on though. A negative that I have noticed and not seen anyone mention is this. When I get home my kids have always run up to me to get a hug from dad. Since I started carrying I noticed very quickly that my youngest daughter slammed her head right in that area, point #1 obviously dangerous but also #2 a bit sore on her little head. So that's a sacrifice I had to make and change the way I recieve her in this situation. When she gets taller that won't be so much of an issue but for now we'll I adapted a new way that will work till then. Thank you from Zambia 🇿🇲 Southern Africa
Yankee Marshal is going to go nuts with this video
Yankee Marshal doesn't even shoot nor train with his firearms..
that guy still alive?
@@armedrebellion47 I believe he does shoot a lot but I don't think he really trains if that makes sense. He thinks quick draws are unnecessary and he puts skulls on his guns (NOT good for a jury).
Yankee Marshall is a doofus.
SMS, Marshal finds a way to disparage any technique that is uncomfortable or he is too lazy to change to. Then if he decides to do something different he’ll justify it with some lame excuse.
Thanks for the insight John. I’m getting so much out of these videos and the main channel. Thanks for the great insights brother 💪🏻
My pleasure!
I practice draw with a dummy gun in my Vedder appendix holster with a heavy duty belt clip. My live firearm goes into my holster in hand first then I slip it into the appendix position on my belt. At the end of the day I pull off The holster & gun as one. In the unlikely event of having to draw my gun I would simply use my left hand to get under the clip and pull the appendix position holster out and reinsert my firearm in hand then slip it back into the appendix position as one. I feel like that's the best way for me. Thanks for all the great info john.
This was a great video for less skilled people like myself, so much useful information for both the actual carrying and how not to send yourself to the ER or take the ambient air temperature challenge.
Thanks Lynda!
Great instruction! Great points! Thanks John
Appendix carry is by far the most concealable and comfortable for me. And now that I've switched from a Glock 19 to a CZ P07 it's even more comfortable.
The day someone shows me a video of a gun firing all by its self with no trigger pull and no human manipulation is the day I will be afraid of appendix carry. Until then it will be something I always do.
@@brandon23471 I would only wear appendix with a gun that has a manual safety. I know thats a no go for many, many people.
@@brandon23471 except holstering and unholstering with strong side carry is when you flag yourself and your femoral artery, not holstering and unholstering with AIWB
@SuperTrader Mikey exactly this. Never break trigger discipline and you should be fine. It's all about how you train yourself.
Those that argue against appendix carry for safety reasons certainly do have merits, but if you started carrying appendix yourself, I'd bet you also would be 10x more careful holstering and drawing. When the stakes are higher, you'll be more careful. That alone could save you. Appendix is nice that everything is in front so you can see what you are doing, and have two hands to do it. The bigger problem is the holster... don't get a crap one. I don't care if you carry 3 o clock or wherever, but a crap holster will jeopardize your safety more than appendix carry ... just ask the sherpa guys and gals who've had ND's
U mean when it falls to the ground & fires from shear impact of the trigger guard onto the ground?
Thanks for the details. I don't carry concealed yet, and since I usually have to wear a business suit often, I am leaning toward appendix carry as the best way to conceal the bulge. I am generally above average in fit, so i can wear at any position, but I think this is the least obvious place anybody would notice - with or without a suit jacket on. Your video has helped assuage certain lingering concerns, since I have not really gone into these details with any of my firearms instructors yet about this position. I just keep paying attention and collecting observations and insights from current users...
What? You are tucking in a properly fitted shirt under a jacket and a gun is _less_ visible in front of your body then at +/_ 3 o'clock? If you use a "tuckable" itwill bulge your shirt in front unless you bag it like a shmuck, and then you have to rip a properly tucked dress shirt with real tails out over the gun. Conversely, at 3 or 3:30 you just sweep the jacket with your bladed right hand (and a bit of weight in the right pocket or inserted in the right seam and draw with one hand while your left is free for defense. Appendix relies on dressing like a slob and requires two hands.
I don’t disagree but as you have said you started 4 or 5 years ago would you say that as your comfort level goes up with handling fire arms that that contributes to comfort of appendix carry?
I feel it’s best for a new shooter to get comfortable handling firearms and holstering them is best.
I my self struggle with appendix carry and I’m not carrying much of a tactical shelf( love that terminology) it digs into me badly, I did cowboy re enactment for a good while years ago and some fast draw so strong side feels best for me and I can draw and holster with out looking for the most part depending on clothing I have on.
Also being a lefty is hard to find holsters.
Thanks for the time and effort you expend on your channel. I've watched and enjoyed your content for years.
Before today I was staunchly opposed to appendix carry (A C) because of the often stated "junk" objection. I never before considered that the wedge you showed could dispel my prejudice about A C. However, I'm a little open minded so I'm glad I watched all the way to the end and only wish you had included in this video a demonstration of you drawing while seated with the AC holster. Being able to easily and quickly draw while seated is a high priority for me. I'm likely to make a holster for A C soon just so I can gain that experience. The only problems I suspect are the fitment issue you mentioned and my "shelf." lol
I make my own holsters for the last few years and have been carrying about 6 years. My most recent holster is cross draw. It's much easier to draw while seated and that's why I spent the time to design my own cross draw holster. When I first began seeing anyone on videos or movies carrying cross draw I was opposed mainly because it looked "dorky." lol. However after carrying cross draw for several months I've grown to appreciate how easy it is to draw while seated. No body gyrations at all are needed for drawing while seated and a standing draw is at least as easy as a draw from strong side.
Cross draw holsters are absolutely no good for open carry because it presents the grip to any potential attackers. But for concealed carry I think it's tops (at least for the moment). My cross draw is extremely comfortable all day. It adds zero discomfort at all so I'm happy to carry that way.
I wear my cross draw holster on a separate belt (about 1.5" wide and as stiff as I can find) right over my regular pant belt. It's easy to remove the belt / holster combo both at the same time and to put it back on quickly and conveniently. It conceales as easily as an OWB strong side holster. The belt loops are a little different than strong side holsters, but your holster maker will perfect the design change in no time. The belt loop afrangement also lends itself to obtaining the desired cant. I haven't even tried to make the cross draw in the belt style. I think it could be accomplished, butat the moment I see no advangage to that.
I have videos on the channel of drawing while seated and AIWB.
@@ASPextra Thanks. I'll see if I can find them.
Just search appendix and AIWB and they'll come up. Have a great day!
“Enahnaced tactical shelf” lol
I laughed at that too, heard it called a Tactical Muffin Top earlier 😆
Great video John with a lot of good information. Keep your weight loss journey going my friend, you’re looking great!
John, tactical shelf also known as “balcony over toy shop” 😁 Thx for your awesome content.. Bath UK.
Haha!
Hi John - am watching several of your instructional videos as a refresher. I carry appendix, and believe that is the best draw from being seated (in a car).
I love my sidekick or whatever it’s called from KSG armory. But I adjusted the cant to see how carrying behind the hip is. First thing I noticed was I couldn’t see the holster at all while trying to reholster
Q series minimalist holster at 4 I clock has been very excellent I'm a porter at a car dealership getting in and out of cars all day ....aiwb seems to jam my legs ....However I Believe as John said DO WHATS BEST FOR YOU..GREAT STUFF AS ALWAYS..
If you WANT to give AIWB another try, then a purpose built AIWB holster can really make a difference. If not, no harm.
I have a tactical shelf. I carry appendix. I will disagree with you on one point: when I sit down, I know the pistol is pointed at my junk. It's not something I'm "afraid of" but it does stay in my thoughts at times. Call me naive in trusting my gun that much but the gun is only out of the holster when I'm training. Gun stays in the holster when I'm attaching or taking it off my belt.
Holstered firearms are not pointed, just the same as cased firearms.
@@ASPextra absolutely this. I dont know how many times people will say, its pointing at you when you're sitting down. No it's not when its holstered it's just a chunk of metal. John are you on reddit? Reddit.com/r/ccw could benefit from your expertise, there can be a lot of misinformation on there.
@@dillonpatterson4310 I just don't have time to participate over there. I am at my limits with what I am doing, and arguing with strangers on the internet is frustrating. :)
@@ASPextra Isn't that the honest truth lol. You can't logic someone out of an argument they didnt logic themselves into. I appreciate you taking your time to reply, thanks for all the work you do. It's hard to find the time and money for quality training with a family but your videos are always good supplements and lessons. Thanks again.
Excellent presentation. Even with 20 years of LE experience, I’m always learning.
Great to hear!
Damn that Lucky 🍀 Gunner ad with the 1000rds of 9mm Tula for $149 sounds nice right about now. 👌
This channel is awesome. I don't even have my permit yet, but I feel like I am learning so much with your videos. Thanks!
Happy to help!
Good information. I was hoping that you would cover what to do when you sit down. Every time I have tried AIWB carry, I can’t sit without the gun stabbing me in the groin or the top of my leg. It may be the holsters I’ve tried, but it happens with all of them. I do have a tactical shelf, but not a large one. Do you have any tips for dealing with this?
That'll be its own video.
Yea, as a guy with the middle aged +20 tummy I can't imagine keeping my gun here. Maybe an old 25 otherwise no way. 3 days of this with lots of sitting or getting up and down and I'd rather shoot myself. If I had a job on my feet all day then maybe?
Well said John.
Huge props for posting a video on appendix carry.
I carry appendix and agree with everything you discussed.
Thanks again and be safe!
Randy
17:55 Reminded me of the Crocodile Dundee bar scene when meeting someone "new".
Don’t know if others noticed but I really liked your hand position on the gun (with thumb on the back of the slide) when putting it back in the holster. Excellent technique. 👍👍
I carry a gun with a hammer, so it adds safety margins.
it's funny i started off last nov when i got my ccw ID with strong side carry. I did a ninja roll and the holster stabbed me so hard in the side i started bleeding lol. I never went back. Switched to AIWB on Day 5, and stuck with it. I love it, best method ever... unless of course your're wearing an midrop offset... that is just naturally the fastet safest and most comfortable if you're not going concealed imo. Thaks for this vid john I agree!
I think it's the best too. But I can't get over the fact that it's always pointed at my wobbly bits.
It's near impossible it would ever happen but if I had to get shot with my holstered firearm, I'd rather be shot in the butt check, than in my man hood and family jewels.
Holstered firearms are not pointed, just the same as cased firearms.
@@ASPextra Ok, I get what you're saying when you say 'not pointed' (I read your same answer in another comment). Domino52o, a firearm is not pointed at anyone/anything, if it's not in a 'state of readiness', and because the trigger is not accessible, it's not in a state of readiness.. i.e., at the gun range, because of the way it's carried, EVERY rifle being brought inside is 'pointed' at people, but because it's inaccessible, it's not considered the same as someone holding a gun and 'pointing' that gun (empty or loaded) at someone.
Active Self Protection Extra It's a good idea to define 'pointed' firearms, to save having to give the same answer over and over, especially with AIWB topics!
Plenty of good points but personally I have a strong preference for carrying in a shoulder holster. IWB always feels just slightly awkward for me and shoulder holster carry just conceals better under the light jacket I'm always wearing than OWB does. It's funny you mention getting hugs at church though because that's something that's never far from my mind on Sunday morning. The trick that I've found that works well is that I always carry my Bible in my hand on the side with the gun. When I get a little bit more confident in my hugging technique I might even up it to having the spare mags, but I'd have to be really sure I could always get my arm on the inside of the hug.
Underhooks.
Meh... its not a safety concern for me. I am just fat. Strongside for me. (edit: I just caught the meaning of Tactical shelf lol ... when I look down it looks like Im peeing from my bellybutton)
I thought the exact same thing. TYM knows a lot about midget transvestite hookers, but knows jack shit about guns.
I used to be fat and felt the same way. I started carrying AIWB and it became a constant reminder to lose some weight. Now that I'm thin I feel it's the best way. Just get some pants that fit properly with the gun and your pants and you will be convinced it's the best way. When I had a gut I was too proud to get larger pants and it only hindered the transition to appendix carry.
@@twe9043 TYM ?
Sorry. replying to the comment below.
@Daniel W Get a better holster then. A good holster with a wedge won't stab you. Also... If you're Pelvis is being stabbed appendix style you're body is weird :P
John Corria, You have proven over and over again, that you know what youre talking about when it comes to safety, usefulness, and all of that. I Trust your advice COMPLETELY... I hope your viewers are on the same page too!!
I’d prefer all new shooters to learn how to use an OWB holster before transitioning to any Iwb holster. Build good habits. Second, visually clearing your holster is all well and good until the lights are out.....use your thumb to clear the holster.
Third edit: John, this video is kind of BS. You’re justifying good appendix technique by showing terrible strong side techniques. It’s a false dichotomy dude. There are good arguments to be made but you didn’t make them
I am telling you what I see, again and again, as strong side errors. Happens all the time. Not saying you can't reholster safely strong side because you can. But the visual inspection thing is a sure problem strong side. That's not technique. Also, "reholster in the dark?" How many CCW gunfights do you think there are that require a pitch black reholster? I would say that number is vanishingly small.
Active Self Protection Extra it’s less about CCW gunfights and more about every time the gun comes out to search a home or property in the dark that doesn’t end in a gun fight. Reholstering in the dark isn’t irrelevant just because it’s not on camera, don’t be obtuse.
If someone has bad technique when reholster it’s dangerous. If someone has good technique it’s less dangerous regardless of carry location. This argument as a justification for appendix falls flat. My opinion.
Big_Roach011 if it doesnt end in a gun fight why not pull out your flashlight or better yet flip the light switch on to see?
Thank you. I realize this video is a year old now, but I just found it. Newbie shooter here, I've owned a handgun for only a few months, and I appendix carry because I have spine and shoulder mobility issues that prevent me from being able to draw from 4 and makes 3 difficult, and 2. After seeing all of the other videos about how bad appendix carry is, it's refreshing to see some that show that is is at least as safe as a hip carry, or at least can be if the user isn't an idiot.
Shoulder mobility issues is a GREAT reason to go with appendix carry. Just do so safely, like I showed in this video. :)
I sometimes carry like this, but not while driving, I think it could seriously injure you in a car crash, I was rear ended once on I-17, it was bad, and If I had been carrying appendix it would have smashed my organs very bad.
Actually, not so. facebook.com/PHLster/videos/1656336251071041/
@@ASPextra At a recent course I took one of the other students was an ER Doc. He carries AIWB and I asked him about this specific issue. He stated that basically the gun/holster unit would be pushed against the "squishy parts" and injury from that was unlikely.
@@ASPextra I would venture to say that gentleman has all of the credentials you don't need to answer the question at hand (and to be fair to him, he's answering the question of how to wear the seat belt to maximize its efficacy, not so much what the gun will do to you when it's smashed into your abdomen with extreme pressure). I'd be more interested in hearing what medical professionals have to say about it. After all, your body is being pushed into the gun with a large fraction of your body weight at a large fraction of the speed you were going.
Case in point, the seat belt ALONE can prove injurious during accidents (see "seat belt syndrome" on the internets). And that's with proper function of the seat belt (i.e., it distributing the load across your abdomen). Adding a pressure point to that equation will almost certainly cause further injury -- or make the existing possibility of injury significantly more likely.
See above comment from THAT GUY. ER doc concurs.
@@ASPextra I agree 100% with the Facebook link you provided. I slightly raise up my holster position when sitting in a car so that I can ensure that the belt is down low across my hips where it should be. When the belt tightens it won't be pressing against my holster so won't be forcing it into my body at all. I think the ER Dr. above, is correct as well.
Appendix Carry using the Raven Vanguard 2 trigger guard on a string in combination with a Sticky holster is how I conceal carry. With the Vanguard 2 on a string, I already have this trigger guard on before my pistol goes in my IWB Sticky holster. Reholstering takes two hands and I am never in a hurry. This combo is very comfortable and makes me feel very safe.
As long as you have the trigger covered, then whatever else you want to do is good.
Like many things, it boils down to individual preference, specific situation, firearm type& training.
John, you are looking great! Keep up the regimen. Like the clarification concerning the holsters.
I used to rarely carry appendix bc of horror stories. I hurt my rotator cuff last summer, and yes, it was almost impossible to draw and holster strong side, so I started AIWB out of necessity. Once I finally found the right holster (KSG Sidekick with foam for me), appendix became my default. I only wear strongside now when I’m in the woods or fishing or doing something where concealed tactical readiness isn’t the priority.
I gave AIWB a try, and while I liked how well it concealed, I went back to 4 O'Clock. My biggest issue was not being able to draw while seated in a car with a seat belt on.
I would encourage you to rethink that. AIWB while in the car is super easy to draw from. Easier than strong side.
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How? The few times I carried appt. I Israely carried.
@@ASPextra Lean slightly left-forward, draw. Where is this huge problem people keep bringing up? What I see is the "fear" of appendix is a strawman, it has a host of pragmatic issues for people who can't run around in casual-casual all day.
I’ve got a 1911 Commander and a 31 inch waist. I print in every conceivable carry position.
ghostdog2041 you need a pistol like the Ruger ecds or similar
😂 1911 Commander 32” waist here... can only conceal in winter clothes. Time for a M&P shield
@@truwigl3582 haha! exactly!
Always been Appendix carry since I got my CCL 10 years ago. Most comfortable and easy draw.
Totally agree with everything you said. We appendix carry everyday and have since day one. Great stuff John.
I appreciate and greatly value Jon's dedication and experience. For me....appendix...just can't do it. Tried three different brand AIWB: AXIS, Phlstr, TXC. Trained extensively, live and dry. It's really a psychological issue, for me. My formative training at FAS was all using strong side IWB @ 4 o'clock. (I showed up my first day with my G19 riding in a Galco "Miami Vice" special, we all make mistakes!) Mass respect for Rick and Marty. For EDCC, I have to stay with strong side IWB and strong side OWB with my 10mm "bruin tamer" in the back country. Just my experience.
Yeah Marty absolutely loathes AIWB carry. Like passionately, for some reason. And of course when your first formative teacher really ingrains something into you, that's hard to overcome. I wish he'd moderate his approach on that issue, and a couple of others too.
Great video, I gained a lot of useful info from you. I'm not going to any training classes,
just getting it off these videos...
Glad to help, although quality in-person training is invaluable.
Excellent video! Thanks John!
Love your vids - I'm almost addicted to them. Holsters: I'm 72, but still ride my 3 motorcycles, hunt, fish and am in generally good shape - almost. I'm right handed but have severe right shoulder problems - to the extent that strong side draw or strong side SOB carry is not a good option. (I even have trouble getting my wallet from my right hip pocket.) I mostly front pocket carry a small 9mm (but its' very slow) OR cross draw carry. I'm aware of the danger of being disarmed from the front by an opponent, but cross draw is essentially my new "strong side." My family has suffered 3 armed confrontations with shots fired - one dead brother in a drive-by (random racial attack at a park), one dead perp (my former LE father in self defense), one where a trespassing perp shot, missed then ran (grandfather in a very rural location returned fire), so I take EDC very seriously. I particularly cannot draw while seated in a vehicle from strong side carry.
I'm very aware that presentation can muzzle a lot in front of me, but I train to turn my body so that my draw muzzles very little. FromQUESTION: do have any suggestions for cross draw carry - brand, draw & reholster details, etc. Thanks again, from a fairly active old geezer.
Is there a reason you won't try AIWB carry?
@@ASPextra Hi John... I have carried AIWB and carried that way for some time. Since my shoulder problem it is quite painful to draw from AIWB and also painful to put my right hand on my LEFT side (9 o'clock). I ALMOST carry AIWB "weak side." By that I mean that I wear the cross-draw NOT on my left side but "off-side" AIWB just to the left of my belt buckle - at a 45 degree angle, muzzle away from left leg when seated. Until the doc schedules my right shoulder surgery I'm sort of stuck with this position OR carry left side (weak side) and draw/fire with my left hand. I like practicing weak hand firing, but I shoot much better/quicker with strong hand. It's been working fairly well, so I guess my only question is, "Do you have any practical suggestions for a person who carries as I do?" Thanks again for your time and your vids. I learn a lot of practical stuff. -Ray
I know everyone is making a joke, but I do have 3 holsters, or more with me when I'm out and about. I use the one I need for what I'm doing. I'm 6 foot and 135 pounds and wear a suit in public. I use a shoulder holster for standing and walking, as that type of holster doesn't weigh down my trousers. I really prefer the shoulder holster all the time, but there are times when I want to remove my jacket in public (such as eating a meal in a restaurant) and in those instances I use an IWB. I can remove my jacket, and although my pistol is visible, it's not obnoxiously visible. Yes, I change holsters sometimes 3 times a day. It takes merely seconds and I have what I want for whatever I'm doing.
Concealing is a dynamic thing, and I have found that no one concealment holster can do everything .
Just a thought.
Very valid points my man. Appendix is my path!
The biggest challenge of appendix carry for me is being able to access my firearm while driving or sitting in a car. Now I'm talking about inside the waistband. I am hugely open to other methods of carrying that allows me to defend myself while inside an automobile while having the firearm on my person. The reason for and why is I drive for a ride sharing app. Also some some videos on tactics on how to defend or defuse situations that may arise from inside a vehicle would be cool.
Drawing while seated in your car is super easy AIWB.
ua-cam.com/video/U0wjrVXZwnc/v-deo.html good video on doing just that. :)
@@ASPextra thank you.
I ride various motorcycles. Strong Side is the only way for me. I also have to use a retention strap, but I'll live with it vs losing my gun on the highway.
Great tips and discussion on carry concerns all around. The main issue I have with appendix carry is the idea that a chambered live round is pointing straight at a hornet's nest of blood vessels while in the seated position. For desk jockeys, that is most of the time.
Let's sing another chorus of "Holstered Guns Are Not Pointed."
@@ASPextra I understand your point and it's a good one. Still doesn't make me feel much better when I know a hollow point is aimed right at a vital area. I might try it with an empty chamber, but there are plenty of songs about that too. So for me, nothing beats the traditional strong side carry. Thank you for your work.
You do realize you then almost always have a HP pointed at your leg, which is also filled with veins and arteries, right?
@@ASPextra Nope, not true. As I sit here now, in my keyboard commando position, my OWB, strong-side P938 is pointed straight through the recliner to the floor. When I get up and walk around, it's still not pointed at me. If I raise my leg rest, it's still pointed at the floor and not at me or anyone else for that matter. When I draw, correctly, it never crosses my foot, or thigh, or butt. Sure, anyone can draw or re-holster incorrectly into and out of any holster arrangement. But, during the brief period that I tried appendix carry, I could not get over the fact that I was intentionally pointing a loaded firearm at myself. I am not comfortable with that. Many are, especially lately, and I say, go for it if you like it. But I think it unwise, for me, because it gives me the heebeegeebees.
I bet you're not seeing how often that gun is pointed at you. But it's not, because it's holstered. I bet you don't pay close attention to how often you point that gun at yourself when holstering, either.
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I tried appendix carry once. It was very comfortable and worked well, until i sat down.....
Maybe a different/better holster would have worked. Not sure if i could ever make it work or would want to try again. Regardless, you make many good points to keep in mind, whatever way you decide to carry.
The sitting thing is an issue but not too hard to get correct. It's worth me doing another video on.
Best video on the subject of appendix carry that I've seen. Thank you.
Glad to help!
Most people who said appendix carry is uncomfortable are those who use an 3-4 o’clock holster type and just use it for appendix. Some won’t give it a month to get the feel of it. I work 10h-12h a day sitting and standing. I use both appendix and 3:30 carry. Depend on my cloth/mood that day. No matter what position you carry. It will feel uncomfortable during the first few weeks. You will learn how to adjust the holster, pant, or belt just a little bit and all the discomfort disappear. It’s going to be second nature on the small adjustment throughout the day if you carry long enough. As for blowing off your junk. Get yourself a good made holster with a hard trigger guard. Stop unholster and holstering your gun while it’s on you. Gun does not fire unless trigger is pulled.
P.S I am a short 5ft4 Asian 200lb. I can carry both with shirt tuck and won’t print. You can do it with enough carrying time and dress around your gun. Give it time.
John you’re the best, we all look to you to keep on our toes, and to “keep our toes” lol.
Prosthetic was a great description of getting used to AIWB carry. I'm getting used to a PHLster Enigma right now. I've found my sweet spot is a little bit higher than a belt mounted AIWB holster would be worn with about half my holster sticking out of my pants. With the Enigma I don't have to dress around my holster as I don't need a belt so I can wear any kind of pants that I have already. No need for a stiff tactical belt to keep the gun from tipping out. I had to add a papoose, Mastermind Tactics pillow and a comfort belt and to it but it was well worth it for the comfort. I've showed it to exactly one person who immediately said, "so you're pointing your gun at your junk." Sigh....
I like this suggestion. Exactly what I needed.
I carried aiwb for a couple years and switched my main gun back to strong side. It's more concealable on the draw, and more comfortable to carry. I carry a second gun, a .38 snubbie at 11 o clock orientated for left handed draw.
You did a video of an ATM robbery where the CCW was carrying AIWB. If I remember right, he had to slightly turn his back to draw without being noticed by the BG.
So what you're saying is...an AIWB draw can be concealed too?
@@ASPextra
sure if you turn your back.
Hi John, here is another video you did where the defender turned his back so that he could conceal his draw from AIWB. This is one of the 2 main reasons I switched back to strong side (although I do carry a snubbie BUG appendix)
ua-cam.com/video/xyhEiL4rHDE/v-deo.html
I do notice in the time I've been a concealed carrier. That I had to up my regular style t-shirts from a LG to XLG when I got my tier 1 Agis holster on and wearing a SOILD color design shirt. polo type and plaid button up types I can wear a LG still.
Great video John! New subscriber here that came over from your other channel. I do AIWB 90% of the time and it works the best for me.
Welcome!
I think, especially with people new to concealed carry, comfort is a big deal. It's hard to get a grown man or woman to get used to doing something on a daily basis when there is a more comfortable alternative. Also, an uncomfortable setup will probably lead to the gun being carried less often. I'm fairly new myself, but that's just my opinion.
Overloaded with common sense. Greatly thought out and very appreciated by a disabled CCW holder.
thank you John
Excellent points pertaining to AIWB, John. I do either pocket carry or appendix carry.
Thank you for your educational vids. I’m fairly new to ASP Extra, but I’ve watched the lion’s share of your ASP channel.
my only complaint about this video is the red laser damaged my eyes 😂
the laser beam came out of my iPad and got me...
God bless,