The Professor of UFOlogy: Confessions of a Catholic Prof with James Madden

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024

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  • @NewThinkingAllowed
    @NewThinkingAllowed  4 місяці тому +12

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    • @naomidoner9803
      @naomidoner9803 4 місяці тому +1

      It is such a relief to hear professor James verbalize all my silent concerns... "we need to rekindle" ... i.e. we need to understand some facts not truths not beliefs NO faith involved .... 1+ 1=2 .... I feel like I've been trying to walk through deep mud since 2020 because my usual faith is in question ... actually diminished is the right word ... and it has weakened me to be in such Flux.,.. I dont know where to place my feet in all this mud ... im on pause not knowing which way to go

  • @robertrozier2940
    @robertrozier2940 4 місяці тому +3

    What an absolutely amazing and stimulating conversation!! Well done.

  • @alexcalderon808
    @alexcalderon808 2 місяці тому +1

    I have never felt soo uncertain in our future. Philosphy can help society think more intelligently

  • @amyk6403
    @amyk6403 4 місяці тому +7

    Oooh! Great topic and guest! ❤

  • @goodshepard00
    @goodshepard00 4 місяці тому +1

    I really enjoyed this interview. Thank you.

  • @quartamile
    @quartamile 4 місяці тому +4

    Thanks for the timestamps. Bless

  • @EarInn
    @EarInn 4 місяці тому +4

    I'd love to take James Madden's class. Maybe he could make a public/internet version of it. Christopher Naughton, you are a very valuable addition to NTA, making thoughtful, well planned and considered segments.

  • @morphixnm
    @morphixnm 4 місяці тому +1

    A very interesting conversation about a fascinating topic that I have been tracking since 1970. I think one of the problems about human societies is that they are, of course, very hierarchical and those at the top of those various hierarchies are looked to for answers. Because thay are constantly looked to for answers, leaders come to to view themselves as handlers of those farther down the hierarchy. And furthermore, those father down in the hierarchies are often happy to be handled as it is too much for them to think on their own.
    For me, this largely explains why people seem so blasé about UFOs, paranormal phenomena, and all manner of amazing and literally out of this world phenomena. Most people don’t encounter the world directly or think about it on their own and for themselves. They are used to things being presented to them, especially since the advent of television and the Internet, and now even more so with artificial intelligence. In some ways, people don’t know the difference between the real world and the one that is fed to them.
    I think our handler’s, i.e. those who head all the various governments, universities, corporations, all the institutions, know when they look at UFOs,and other out of this world phenomena that they themselves can’t handle how his disrupts their roles as handlers. They don’t have the wherewithal to tell people about it all, as that would be outside the hierarchical arrangements that human societies have set up

  • @chyfields
    @chyfields 4 місяці тому +1

    When aliens arrive we will be forced to concede that they are the superior species and that none of our human gods are their gods.

  • @anonymoushuman8344
    @anonymoushuman8344 4 місяці тому +30

    I've noticed that Catholic institutions are more likely to have offerings in the thought of C.G. Jung and analytical psychology. It is not that they are less rigorous or less scientific. It's that their concern with spiritual and religious life makes them more open to things that are ignored by contemporary scientism. They are not as afraid of things that defy current scientific orthodoxy.

    • @marjoriegoodwin2993
      @marjoriegoodwin2993 4 місяці тому +1

      I`m relatively sure that the Pope knows. Guess that they just didn`t mention this to the congregations. The Papacy has the largest telescope in the world, as a result of their knowledge.

    • @anonymoushuman8344
      @anonymoushuman8344 4 місяці тому

      I hope that Pope Francis knows whatever is known about this subject at the highest levels in the intelligence communities of the major governments. (Although what's known may or may not be anything like what many of us have been lead to believe is known through popular UFO culture, even from seemingly credible sources such as David Grusch.)
      Many people know that the Catholic Church regards the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrial life as not in conflict with its theology. I wonder, though, if Church officials have thought about the implications of discovering living beings with minds that surpass ours and defy human comprehension. What if it turns out that such beings were involved in the origin of our species and are still around? A scenario like that would be problematic for many institutions.

    • @Tyrell_Corp2019
      @Tyrell_Corp2019 4 місяці тому +4

      As someone who went to Catholic school, I can verify that the scientific education I received was actually excellent. There’s none of the ridiculous skewing of information as you may see in some of these American fundamentalist schools - saying that the Earth is only 2000 years old etc., The emphasis on understanding the rigidity of the scientific method is really drilled into you. I may not have remained a practicing Catholic, but I was always grateful for what they gave me outside of religion.

  • @donnwatt2815
    @donnwatt2815 4 місяці тому +9

    This discussion has awakened me to an entirely new perspective on the UFO phenomenon. Many thanks.

  • @Niles-Guy
    @Niles-Guy 4 місяці тому +15

    Fascinating discussion. Hoping for a part II

  • @manuelalayo511
    @manuelalayo511 4 місяці тому +4

    Also check Padre Perdices. Mirando a la Lejanía del Universo. Father Perdices, a Dominican Friar and school teacher, observed a huge UFO over Valladolid, Spain, in 1967.As a result, he wrote a book called " Mirando a la Lejanía del Universo". In English...Staring into the depths of the Universe .

  • @billyhallmon6867
    @billyhallmon6867 4 місяці тому +3

    We can overthink what may have a simple explanation.

  • @l.rongardner2150
    @l.rongardner2150 4 місяці тому +12

    I Googled MOFOology and ended up here.

  • @augustusbetucius2931
    @augustusbetucius2931 4 місяці тому +3

    "It's about whether or not we have abdicated our lives to technological systems." All but a very few have. Most don't even realize it, most don't care. Ask the average person walking down the street, staring at their phone, and barely connected to so-called reality, if they care that they've done this. I fully expect they don't/won't. I fully expect you'd get answers such as "Whatever" or "I love my cell phone", etc. I don't mean to be cynical, but I think only the more thoughtful and sensitive members of the species would think about this, or care about it. I'm glad that Mr Madden has loosed that idea upon the world. Maybe it will gain traction.

  • @katherinehahn6242
    @katherinehahn6242 4 місяці тому +5

    What baffles me almost more than the phenomenon and its implications is the indifference I encounter whenever I venture to bring up the subject with family and friends. I just don't get it.

    • @rossmcleod7983
      @rossmcleod7983 4 місяці тому +1

      It is as weird, possibly weirder, than the phenomenon itself. Something so utterly profound barely registers a collective nod.

    • @NewThinkingAllowed
      @NewThinkingAllowed  4 місяці тому +1

      Christopher Naughton here: we have covered the reasoning for this on other programs and some of the reasoning for this is that sometimes people simply don't want to know. It is almost as if it is a metaphysical overload for some people that they don't even wish to contemplate its possibility- even as you all allude it may be one of the greatest events in human history.

    • @NewThinkingAllowed
      @NewThinkingAllowed  4 місяці тому +1

      @@rossmcleod7983 Thank you excellent point. See above.

  • @anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858
    @anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858 Місяць тому +2

    You can tell he's sincere about seeking knowledge -- unlike the disinformation hacks more in the spotlight.

  • @kramnam4716
    @kramnam4716 4 місяці тому +2

    Kids would be absolutely fine with discovering this because they have open minds. It’s the adults that are the problem.

  • @BugMan_666
    @BugMan_666 4 місяці тому +3

    The paper discussed @24:00 is Wendt and Duvall, "Sovereignty and the UFO" (2018).

    • @ChristopherNaughton
      @ChristopherNaughton 4 місяці тому +2

      Thank you Adam for citing the source James refers to here.

  • @joedonovan3820
    @joedonovan3820 4 місяці тому +4

    I just completed Jim's online course about the "Hyperobject" book. Outstanding!

  • @stephenbastasch7893
    @stephenbastasch7893 4 місяці тому +2

    Thanks for this. Madden is eloquent, articulate, and knowledgeable. Hope he can come back to the program again!

  • @JuanCarlosbarquero-f3e
    @JuanCarlosbarquero-f3e 15 днів тому +1

    The Catholic Church is extremely diverse, from Opus Dei to Liberation Theology, for example. There's a book written by a priest who talked about his experiences becoming a sorcerer in East Africa. He did this with full permission from church authorities (sorry, i cannot recall the title). Yet, when i spoke to a diocesen priest in East Africa he was quick to say all traditional healers, "mganga" of East Africa were "demonic"

  • @kjjohnson24
    @kjjohnson24 4 місяці тому +5

    Loved his book. Excellent discussion!

  • @kennethtan6403
    @kennethtan6403 4 місяці тому +2

    Much Love from the Philippines❤.

  • @amyk6403
    @amyk6403 4 місяці тому +2

    Oh, I'm not so sure about the end of Fundamentalism. 😢 I think the Fundamentals are reacting to these times with the worst kinds of backlash. Some of the Evangelicals are becoming Fundamental. The "male headship people" are out of control. The literal interpretation/KJV onlyist are digging in their heels. I myself have "unchurched" and reverted back to a virtual women's "house church." I wish Dr. Michael Heiser was still with us! He was making headway.

  • @AFutureLegend
    @AFutureLegend 4 місяці тому +4

    What an amazing interview!

  • @belindabird6249
    @belindabird6249 4 місяці тому +1

    Brilliant! Thank you… Now have an expanded reading list… I understand now that I am a “closet philosopher” - this explains so much. Subject matter eloquently discussed. More please!❤

  • @xer314
    @xer314 4 місяці тому +2

    in reference to the conversation around 43:50 I learned a word recently that perfectly summarizes his point there. "Euhemerism" assumes historical accounts become myths as they are exaggerated in the retelling. Not purely allegorical, nor logical in all instances either as some parts are exaggerated to make the story seem more exciting. We already do that in modern media. I don't think it's a stretch to presume that some mythos may have a coeval origin point but thousands of years pass, the story is exaggerated to the point its filled with superstitions, and the evolution of language makes it appear as something else completely. I often think Christians like Eucebius may have come to similar conclusions. Still... it's clear not all things can be explained away as mere superstition or mythology...

  • @AlTorresFineArt
    @AlTorresFineArt 4 місяці тому +2

    great interview

  • @KellyHarmon-xh8ep
    @KellyHarmon-xh8ep 4 місяці тому +2

    Excellent interview!

  • @corlisscrabtree3647
    @corlisscrabtree3647 4 місяці тому +2

    Thank you 🙏

  • @markmiller5735
    @markmiller5735 4 місяці тому +1

    When the children at Fatima saw the apparition, she never said that she was the virgin Mary, and the children just called her the white lady. The Catholic church co-opted the phenomenon.

  • @HelloAllie
    @HelloAllie 4 місяці тому +6

    ⬆As Above ⬇So Below
    ↪As Within↩ So Without
    🎇As the Universe 🌠 So the Soul

  • @maxzoe948
    @maxzoe948 Місяць тому +1

    That was excellent

  • @JoeZorzin
    @JoeZorzin 4 місяці тому +1

    nice to have a "high level" discussion of this fascinating topic- personally, though, I think it's just nuts and bolts- craft from other planets- I happen to have seen the Hudson Valley craft back in '84- otherwise, I worked in forests for half a century and saw nothing at all unusual, which surprises me

  • @quetzelmichaels1637
    @quetzelmichaels1637 4 місяці тому

    Have you ever seen them? The Red, Yellow, and Blue lights passing by in orbit on a clear night far from the city lights?
    Yahweh judged the heavens. Christ judges the earth. Yahweh became the Adversary. Adam becomes the Lawless One. The Adversary, the Ancient Serpent of Old, is Transfigured and revealed as Ancient One of Days seated upon a throne on the Mount of Assembly. Adam wields the fiery sword, is Transfigured, and is revealed as the Christ.
    The Father is greater than I. He judged the heavens. Gods though they be, like mortals they will die. Corruption is a part of the fabric of the universe. Adam had a university of trees to learn from. Further, Adam was not deceived (1Ti 2:14 NAB)
    Earth is Yahweh's Everlasting Lake of Fire, his furnace of roaring flames where, in his furious wrath, he will gather you up, put you in, and smelt you. If your name is not in the book of life, he will refine you, remove your dross, and purify you until the Devil, the False Prophet, and the Beast are cleansed from you.
    I've decided to put an end to all mortals on earth. The birds of the air and all the great beast will have a great feast. The oceans will be drained and the waters placed above the dome of the sky. No longer will the sun beat down and scorch you. No longer will there be hurricanes and tornados. The waters will refract the rays of light and there will no longer be night.
    Looking forward, we will all speak the same language. What to you see? A flood story? The Tower of Babel? By all accounts, you should be nothing more than pillars of salt.
    Ok. Let's get started. Take out your text books on the crucifixion as imagery and prophecy. Let me know when you are ready.
    The world is under mind control. They know the Father they spring from is the Devil (Joh 8:44 NABO). They know Satan (Shining One) is the God of this world (2Co 4:4 NAB) They know the ruler of this world has been condemned (Joh 16:11 NABO). They see it, yet, they cannot perceive it; they hear it, yet, the cannot understand it.
    Now is the time of judgment on this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out. (Joh 12:31 NABO) In an intergalactic cruiser to; Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Mat 25:34 NABO) Christ is a third party to this world and these heavens. His domain is forever peaceful.
    Isaac blessed Esau saying: Ah, far from the fertile earth shall be your dwelling; far from the dew of the heavens above! (Gen 27:39 NABO) (In a galaxy far away?)
    You will not always have me (Mat 26:11 NABO) (Homeward bound)
    I am with you always, until the end of the age. (Mat 28:20 NAB) (Began as the first Adam)
    My kingdom does not belong to this world. (Joh 18:36 NABO) (Third party mediator)
    Where I am going you cannot come. (Joh 8:21 NABO) (Left Behind)
    Then I took my staff "Refuge" and snapped it asunder, breaking off the covenant which I had made with all peoples (Noahic covenant) (Zec 11:10 NABO)
    Then I snapped asunder my other staff, "Heritage" (Deu 32:8) breaking off my brotherhood with (between?) Judah and Israel. (Zec 11:14 NABO)
    the one who ascended far above all the heavens (Eph 4:10 NABO) (in a galaxy far away?)
    never to return to corruption (Act 13:34 NABO) (Wait, what?)

  • @Matt-tg8oc
    @Matt-tg8oc 4 місяці тому

    Could NHI manipulate humanity in a fashion in which they could manipulate such a hostile and tribal political climate that no one will believe anyone. ... unless it's their guy or gal that says it? The greatest truth ever would never take root in a true disclosure. 🤔
    Could our Ai be the future tool for NHI to use for more efficient management of humanity? Are NHI stoking that process for their purposes?🤔

  • @gregorybarrett1
    @gregorybarrett1 4 місяці тому +2

    One of the best New Thinking Allowed shows I've seen in a very long time, MANY THANKS

  • @kennethhacker3014
    @kennethhacker3014 4 місяці тому +1

    I find some of the stories fascinating..

  • @AARCANUM
    @AARCANUM 4 місяці тому +2

    Super interesting! Thanks for the great content.

  • @ArneBjork-os5ue
    @ArneBjork-os5ue 4 місяці тому +3

    Thank you

  • @FesteringGhoul
    @FesteringGhoul 4 місяці тому +1

    Wow. Yall are awesome. Fantastic conversation.

  • @Steven-p4j
    @Steven-p4j 4 місяці тому +4

    Bravo.

  • @jessicalynch9138
    @jessicalynch9138 4 місяці тому +2

    Great interview. Thanks!

  • @JadenJahci
    @JadenJahci 4 місяці тому +1

    “My Daddy Dives a UFO!”
    ~ The Cramps (Lux)

  • @abelincdlp
    @abelincdlp 4 місяці тому +1

    Please interview Bashar

    • @cnaughtonmedia
      @cnaughtonmedia 4 місяці тому +1

      Yes, we are reaching out to Darryl Anka and I believe we will have him on sometime this year. Stay tuned.

  • @robertmacnaughton178
    @robertmacnaughton178 4 місяці тому +1

    "we're not designed to even talk about"
    My perspective is that 'our design' IS predestined to talk about ET's and associated topics. Of course I'm not a Materialist, but a fan of fundamental Consciousness.

    • @NewThinkingAllowed
      @NewThinkingAllowed  4 місяці тому +1

      Christopher Naughton here: I agree, innately we ARE designed to and created to address it, but culturally and behaviorally we are steered away from it. Good distinction. Thank you.

  • @Austinite333
    @Austinite333 4 місяці тому

    Fact check. I had previously read Merton died from electrocution while showering. Just now I read he died of a heart attack possibly the result of electric shock from a faulty fan. Possible foul play? Seems that was never proven.

    • @ChristopherNaughton
      @ChristopherNaughton 4 місяці тому

      According to Matthew Fox he spoke with three ex-CIA agents who were associated with the case: one wouldn't comment, another tacitly acknowledged interference and a third corroborated it (murder). It happened on a day when Merton spoke in Vietnam about having greater ecumenical interaction with Buddhist monks in a speech Also apparently there was never an autopsy.

    • @NewThinkingAllowed
      @NewThinkingAllowed  4 місяці тому

      This from "America's Next Great Awakening" pp. 171-172: On the last day of his life in Bangkok he said, “I believe that by openness to Buddhism, to Hinduism, and to these great Asian traditions, we stand a wonderful chance of learning more about the potentiality of our own traditions, because they have gone, from the natural point of view, so much deeper into this than we have.” Merton died later that afternoon from apparent electrocution by a fan in his room. Suspicious circumstances and the absence of an autopsy have led several authors, including Matthew Fox, to contend that Merton was murdered at the hands of the CIA due to his anti-Vietnam War stance.

  • @E-Kat
    @E-Kat 4 місяці тому +1

    Nothing new in here at all.

    • @lapislazuli7876
      @lapislazuli7876 4 місяці тому +2

      I agree. It’s just couched in academic terms that’s all. But most of us who have been following the phenomena for years have heard all these ideas before. None of it is new at all.

  • @jessemorales2832
    @jessemorales2832 4 місяці тому

    Did not make a reference about John XXIII in Castengandolfo residence back in 1961

    • @EarInn
      @EarInn 4 місяці тому

      ? Explain please

    • @jessemorales2832
      @jessemorales2832 4 місяці тому

      @@EarInn Apologies. Check Meeting of Pope John XXIII with extraterrestrial beings in 1961 in Italy. The meeting was reported by his Secretary Loris Capovilla in 1985 for The Sun.

  • @Steven-p4j
    @Steven-p4j 4 місяці тому +3

    Dianne Pasulka is a practising Catholic. And please, it is Ufology, pronounced You-Fology. OK?

  • @naomidoner9803
    @naomidoner9803 4 місяці тому +1

    Whatever it was that interacted with our ancestors... it wanted sacrificial meats ... burnt meats

    • @amyk6403
      @amyk6403 4 місяці тому

      Not really. They just thought that it wanted burnt meats. Many of the Biblical prophets relayed that God did not want sacrifice. Instead, He wanted his people to behave with social justice, mercy and kindness.

    • @naomidoner9803
      @naomidoner9803 4 місяці тому +1

      @@amyk6403 darling there is extensive evidence of sacrifice well before and after the Jewish people elevated Yahweh to "the God" of their canaanite roots..,, Pass me with your comments plz ... have a blessed day.

  • @frereclaudechristave
    @frereclaudechristave 4 місяці тому

    🛸👽 + ✝😇 = 144 000
    f†C

  • @GabrielKish
    @GabrielKish 4 місяці тому

    I found the Book of Urantia on this channel. It explains the best answer on the things I've been encountering for over 55 years starting at a very young age.
    Demons, aliens, Angels and who Jesus Christ is and why he HAD to be born on Earth as a human.
    It also gives the best explanation on why Earth and us are so completely fcuked up.
    I don't agree with all of it but damn....it hits the mark much more than ANYTHING else I've read.
    God is so much bigger than we've ever imagined and Hesus Christ is second in power only to his father, the one and true almighty God.
    Also Lucifer is an insane asshole that just fcuked us and the other planets that fell with him.
    It wasn't supposed to be this way.

  • @tectorgorch8698
    @tectorgorch8698 4 місяці тому

    I an RC forever -- 12 years Roman Catholic, 60+ years (and counting) Recovering Catholic.

  • @richardschwarz7907
    @richardschwarz7907 4 місяці тому +1

    😊🙏

  • @ianwebb9859
    @ianwebb9859 4 місяці тому +5

    I saw another interview with this guest and I'm very excited to listen to this one as well!

  • @mike9rr
    @mike9rr 4 місяці тому

    Re: Teilhard de Chardin, wasn't the character in Shoes of the Fisherman, Fr. Telemond, played by Oskar Werner, loosely based on him? In the 1960's in some Catholic circles, he was recognized as having some interesting ideas. I say "some Catholic circles" because Bishops generally did not want to hear about him. Bad for the resume, so to speak. Oddly it was not because of his ideas on biologic evolution, which are generally no longer given credence, but because of his spiritual ideas.

    • @NewThinkingAllowed
      @NewThinkingAllowed  4 місяці тому

      Christopher Naughton here: I must go back and watch that movie, it is described by many as alluding to Chardin.

  • @Steven-p4j
    @Steven-p4j 4 місяці тому

    You make the excellent point, in saying that we have no idea what is going on. I have been a UFO researcher for many years, and I have no idea, apart from half guesses. Yes, we may be co-inhabitants of earth. Additionally, the phenomenon certainly contains paranormal activity. (I have experienced this myself) This is an ideal topic for a man as mentally keen as James is demonstrating himself to be., and I have most recently regained my faith, directly as the confrontation with the UFO reality.
    Certainly, from the viewpoint of sovereignty, therein lies the ontological terror perhaps? However, the Pope and the Jesuits do not appear to have any problems with this. Possibly because they have 3 observatories around the planet. (Psst, astronomers see these things but mustn't mention them.) As someone who has spent most of his life in the sciences, I have been open to this, where I have seen so many over educated people losing their focus totally.
    I have heard it suggested, that many senior generals in the pentagon are fundamentalist Christians, and believe the UFOs are demons. The remainder of the sane contingent do not, and we are observing the fist-fight. Yes, James, the Pentagon Nazis want control.

    • @NewThinkingAllowed
      @NewThinkingAllowed  4 місяці тому

      Christopher Naughton here: one of the reasons that the Remote Viewing program was (allegedly) shut down in the Pentagon, according to Stephan Schwartz and others who have appeared on this channel is due to (a) the retirement of certain officials, including exceptional remote viewers and (b) prevalence of Christian fundamentalists in military hierarchies who wanted nothing to do with the 'woo.' It is interesting as Madden puts it, that Catholics are different than mainstream fundamentalists/evangelical protestants because they are more ontologically promiscuous and open to the supposedly fantastical, e.g., Virgin Mary sightings.

  • @geniexmay562
    @geniexmay562 4 місяці тому

    Rather click baity title!! But if it brings more viewers is that a wrong approach??? 🤔😂😀

    • @E-Kat
      @E-Kat 4 місяці тому +1

      Very

  • @marchpeacemarch
    @marchpeacemarch 4 місяці тому

    30:29 unidentified means extraterrestrial 👽?

  • @stefanieconklin9046
    @stefanieconklin9046 4 місяці тому +2

    Finally these conversations are happening. Could the 3rd category be spiritual? Because the experiences can be both positive and negative ones. Like discarnate spirits? Or Angels and Demons? Excellent interview!

  • @KathiOsborn
    @KathiOsborn 4 місяці тому +1

    God doesn't have limits, god created and continues to create. God has created more than planets, people, animals and everything we experience and God is creating more for us to learn/experience...UFO/USO/UAP and many many other beings not just human.🙂

  • @JoeCali12
    @JoeCali12 4 місяці тому +1

    Why are people teaching classes on an issue, that they know nothing about. The federal government has this information!! They know the true nature. Maybe we should be teaching classes after disclosure ....

    • @robertdiehl1281
      @robertdiehl1281 4 місяці тому

      Excellent take…

    • @ConceptuallyExperimental
      @ConceptuallyExperimental 4 місяці тому

      You must work for the government lmao get outa hear. Only trust what the government tells you, don’t do your own research