🤷♂️What are YOUR thoughts on this issue??🤔**(Update)** Lin Yu-Ting did NOT appeal the IBA’s XY test result & Imane Khelif DID appeal the result but subsequently WITHDREW the appeal…
IBA is the world's last federation to conduct DNA tests and exclude DSD 46XY athletes from competing against women. The rest adhere to the IOC guidelines: The sex of a DSD athlete is determined by their passport and eligibility to compete against female athletes is based on testosterone levels. They are obligated to reduce their testosterone levels. It has been like this since 2012. So, certainly, there are DSD genetic guys who were misdiagnosed as girls at birth and now compete in elite sports against women. They are over presented in women's categories compared to the general population according to IAAF. It's been like that for the last 12 years! It is interesting to note that all sport bodies in charge of the most popular sports, such as athletics, swimming, rowing, wrestling, and weightlifting, have increased restrictions on transgender male to female athletes. Transwomen can currently participate against women in major competitions such as the Olympics if they have not experienced testosterone puberty. So, on the one hand, we have DSD 46XY genetic male affected by normal male testosterone puberty, misdiagnosed at birth as a girl and allowed to compete against women, and on the other, transwomen are prohibited. The International Olympic Committee continues to act like fools.
I think we should remain silent until the IBA clearly gives out the test report and let the players concentrate on the game instead of causing greater public pressure to affect them.
I am glad I found this video, just subscribed. You are level headed and logical, not to mention gorgeous. Like you say, this issue isn't hard. Just test them.
True. But also check their past and medical records. And also the one from Algeria is 100% female. Algeria is a muslim country where LGBT alphabet is a CRIME, if it was a male competing against females she/he would be representing the refugee team if she/he wanted to follow the dream of becoming a pro athlete
@1individeo I’m not sure if you watched the video but I addressed that. I don’t think Khelif identifies as trans or even knew about this until failing the test last year that showed XY chromosomes.
My thoughts r the same .. inter sex athletes, having physical traits of a man and hv high testosterone should not be allowed to compete with women . Its totally unfair. Its crazy that in Olympics they don’t hv a proper rule for this. They cannot just determine the sex of an individual just by looking at the passport. I just saw a bideo few days back .. where a man who is a coach for women bodybuilders .. competed in breaking the record for benchpress in women’s powerlifting .. bcus a trans women was holding the record, and he did this to show how bad and faulty the system is.
Yea, I remember seeing about that powerlifting one. Kinda funny to show the insanity of it. The whole passport being the determining factor for age and sex seems really weird. Especially when the guy says that people should use a scientific-based proof. 🤷♂️
But what about their dreams to become a boxer? Should they just forget about it and choose another career? And I don't think creating another category specifically for them is the solution because there are not that many intersex people in the world to begin with. So fuck them, then?
And plus if they do have 'mental illness' which I don't think they do why do we treat them like criminals? Do you go to a mental institution and start treating the mentally ills like they're some kind of criminals? No, you wouldn't do that. So why are we treating these people who people deem to be mentally ill like one, then? They didn't 'ask' to be mentally ill. So why are we making fun of them and try our very best to make their lives even more difficult than it already is for them?
@@CamberFitness You shouldn't blame them, is what I mean. They went through the same process as all the other Olympic athletes. Attacking these two athletes isn't the solution. The people who should be held accountable are those who allowed them to compete in the Olympics in the first place. These athletes have no power in deciding who gets to compete and who doesn't. It's not okay to attack others, especially on such a large scale. You may or may not agree with their gender, but that doesn't mean you get to send hate their way. They are people at the end of the day, with feelings just like us. Imagine if they were our family members and you saw them being treated this way by the whole world. It wouldn't feel good, right? Be kind, be better, and do better.
At least they’re more female than “Brittney” Griner is. How the U.S. is allowed to roster that guy on their women’s basketball team is beyond my comprehension
"According to the IBA minutes available on their website, this decision was initially taken solely by the IBA Secretary General and CEO. The IBA Board only ratified it afterwards and only subsequently requested that a procedure to follow in similar cases in the future be established and reflected in the IBA Regulations.” IOC
Ok. Regardless of what or how it was done, the accusation from the IBA is out there. The athletes could clear any confusion and let people know what kind of testing was done.
Fairness takes precedence over inclusivity in sports. The chromosome XY athletes who were raised as women, should not compete with chromosome XX athletes. This is regardless of how one is raised or what one's passport says. We are talking about biology here. The only golden rule should be a DNA test.
When I was doing my Honours Degree in Pharmaceuticals, one of my professors told us that people have XX or XY chromosomes. Sometimes you can be born with XXY or XXXXY. The Y chromosome means you defo have a penis. However if you also have several X’s, you might have female features too. You might say those people were born that way however the whole point is if you do have the Y CHROMOSOME have a penis and higher testosterone plus male physical features is more muscles which puts them at a physical advantage (so XY is more advantaged than XXXY. And XXXY is physically more advantaged than an XX) So why would you disadvantage all the XX’s when it’s not their fault. Would you allow an XX female to box with XY’s just because she identifies as a He? 😂 Democracy does not mean giving someone an advantage while disadvantaging others. That is not what democracy is about.
I think it will be more appropriate to use the word "female" in laying down the rules/guidelines of IOC. Using the word "woman" in the rules/guidelines creates problems that are merely based on semantics whereas using the word "female" will clearly define the rules/guidelines.
If this is the solution, what about male athletes who loosing out because of low testosterone or potentially they are biologically female. I could argue the same standard should apply
The IBA actually banned both athletes from competition for failing a gender test that resulted in XY chromosomes which indicates that someone is a male. Yu-Ting did NOT appeal that decision. Khelif DID initially appeal it but then withdrew the appeal. Why would you withdraw your appeal to fight back against a claim that you are a male if there is no real supporting evidence? Especially if you plan on competing in the olympics and know that this info will come out.
XX female, XY male. Point is where the IBA is confusing?? Why have they always been allowed to qualify and how? Olympics association need to take a look at sports of all type.
Looks like the men what if Mike Tyson decided before to be a trans ? Will they let him fight with female? And if they allow, probably the females will sleep at the first punch. This is unfair and messed up.
They should have sorted that problem well before admission to the competition . Allowing them to compete & then exposed them to sheer humiliation . It is rather cruel . Women with funny chromosomes XY could compete with their own group of the same stature . We are lucky & we must thank that Divine GRACE & try to be at least humble & not enhance more pain that the unlucky ones are going through . Talking about rules , state leaders do not even respect the international rules .
I agree that should have been sorted well before the competition. The IBA letter was sent to the IOC before the Olympics, and they would be naive to think this wouldn’t come out. The fact that your passport is what determines your age and gender for the IOC is ridiculous because that means I could get one that says woman and compete with women with no questions asked. I don’t think it’s cruel because the athletes also knew that they failed that IBA gender test and set themselves up to be questioned by competing in the Olympics. It’s not like it’s any surprise to them. And like I said in the video, if you have nothing to hide, then simply get tested and prove you are a female.
It was sorted out. She met IOC guidelines. The problem arose when the Italian fighter had a meltdown and media put misleading information out and people ran with incorrect information. Italian boxer has apologized to Khelif stating she was angry her Olympics had gone up in smoke.
I am liberal. v liberal but this is Shameless, trans should compete against trans not against biological women. woman competing against woman is competitive and enjoyable to watch, woman competing against wo'MAN' is Shameless. If this trans from Algeria wins gold he should be ashamed. Win or lose he should be ashamed. Trans Vs trans? Ok xx v xx = competitive . xy v xx = non competitive. Whole point of sport….competitive competition
Khelif is a lady, in Algeria we don’t have this BS of trans that most of the westerners talk about, it is illegal and HARAM in Islam…if you don’t know what HARAM means, ask Andrew Tate
Only he had XY chromosome.. and high level of men hormones.. means 160% stronger bone ratio and regular punches hit harder. thats unfair to poor women that are getting slaughtered by these two boxers.. talking haram? you dont see man beating women haram eh? im not suprised arab ancestors grabbed swords and slaughtered innocent human beings in history..that not haram either.. you cant fool a science or history..!!
u hv to look at it from a biological point of view and why its unfair to women who r participating. In sports fairness is very important .., otherwise it won’t be a sport
I’m pretty sure I addressed that in the video. I don’t think Khelif knew until having the genetic tests done. But once you know that you have XY chromosomes (male), then that changes everything. It sucks for Khelif, and I’m sure that’ll mess with your mind if you genuinely thought you were a woman; but you can’t compete with women now…
So what do you do in Algeria if a baby is born with both female and male parts? That actually happens everywhere in the world , you know. So what would you do in Algeria? Would parents choose how to rase it?
Honestly it's a very sticky situation. They claim that these two have female parts, were born women and went through female puberty, but have xy chromosomes. It's a very rare condition. What i find suspicious is that out of the whole country, it's exactly this individual with the extremely rare condition that is their best fighter.
Oh wait but Wikipedia said In 2024, the IBA stated that Khelif and others "did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a secret unrecognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential" that determined they possessed a competitive advantage over other female competitors and were therefore disqualified, (16)
it’s just they the IOC doesn’t take the IBA into account, also what are the conclusive results from the IBA because last I checked they hadn’t been released to the public
If you were a top level athlete being accused of being the opposite sex, would you not demand to be tested and release the results to prove it if you have nothing to hide? The Olympics obviously doesn’t test everyone to see what sex they are because their documents state that’s solely based on your passport.
@@CamberFitness I'm sure you're incapable of empathy but I'll try anyway. You were born a woman - you were born with a vagina - in the way the world defines a woman, you are a woman. When you get born, the doctor checks the genetalia and then says "congrats, it's a boy" if you have a penis - or "I'm sorry it's a girl" if you have a vagina. It is what it is. That's how the world has always defined boy and girl, man and woman. You grew up as a woman. Not only did you grow up as a woman, being a woman made it hard for you to achieve your goals. Your family discouraged you to do boxing because it is 'conduct unbecoming of a woman' - in your society, it is considered weird for a woman to get into combat sports - but you did so anyway, against all odds. And now, people suddenly ask you to take a test. Also, the IBA does not get to dictate what qualifies or disqualifies you to compete in women's boxing. Not anymore. They effed up with all the corruption stuff so now they're irrelevant.
@@CamberFitness And just so it's clear - the answer is that why do we have to agree to YOUR test? Why not the IOC's test? Who decides? Probably not you.
I’m not sure what you mean by MY test. The IBA claims their test results showed XY. The IOC’s only “test” is what does your passport say. My whole point in the video was to simply have the IOC give a test (or take one voluntarily if you have nothing to hide) to prove it. What so wrong with that? I don’t get why everyone has this victim mentality. Every person who wins medals in the Olympics is going to get scrutinized because everyone else wanted the person from their country to win. When you enter the Olympics knowing that you were disqualified from a world championship for having XY chromosomes in a test result, you have to know that’s going to come to light.
@@CamberFitness [The IBA claims their test results showed XY. ] Why should an XY result disqualify you? Why not test their testosterone levels? Why not genetalia test?
That’s the problem isn’t it? Regardless if you take hormones, get body parts removed, and dress differently, you can’t actually change your sex. But society is trying to convince people that they can. If folks just lived in objective reality then we wouldn’t be having this issue.
@@CamberFitness As far as i know .. inter sex can’t get pregnant. There is a small community of people known as ‘hijras’ here. And no one has ever heard of any of them getting pregnant
According to the best presumptions that numerous medical specialists have made on the case, that is absolutely NOT true that Imane can get pregnant naturally. Almost certainly, Imane has testes (whether internal or external). This is the most likely feasible scenario based on science, biology, how the likely DSD disorders would present, and their physical appearance and physiology (from youth till now).
@@CamberFitness Sorry I should have clarified my comment. I mean why not have that as a baseline must-meet condition. Not really discussing the testing portion. Because certain competing bodies today just let non women compete willingly or do not know how to set a boundry if im being charitable. Ill be honest scientists would know more about finding a valid test to check if the person meets the criteria to give birth beyond someone you know, just looking them naked or something. There are some indicators like bone density, straight up X-Rays or something alike to filter things apart
A DNA test is actually extremely simple & quick to do, vs. other fertility tests that would have to be fairly extensive and still can have a whole host of issues in terms of any type of reliability or deciding factor related to these types of cases. Also, how are you going to try and say an actual female that is infertile, or has had ovarian issues, or a hysterectomy (or a thousand other things) is somehow not woman enough to compete, just because she can not bear a child?
with this problem or issue is getting big .. Sports committees should just implement a testing system. We r also seeing how trans men r beating women in women’s sports.
That's actually not even close to the best solution here (for a whole multitude of reasons)... One of the many, many reasons people with DSD end up in situations like this to begin with, is due to having ambiguous external parts. Plus, its not like gender reassignment surgery is even rare anymore, so that really makes just a visual check fairly useless in a lot of these cases anyway.
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🤷♂️What are YOUR thoughts on this issue??🤔**(Update)** Lin Yu-Ting did NOT appeal the IBA’s XY test result & Imane Khelif DID appeal the result but subsequently WITHDREW the appeal…
IBA is the world's last federation to conduct DNA tests and exclude DSD 46XY athletes from competing against women. The rest adhere to the IOC guidelines: The sex of a DSD athlete is determined by their passport and eligibility to compete against female athletes is based on testosterone levels. They are obligated to reduce their testosterone levels. It has been like this since 2012.
So, certainly, there are DSD genetic guys who were misdiagnosed as girls at birth and now compete in elite sports against women. They are over presented in women's categories compared to the general population according to IAAF. It's been like that for the last 12 years!
It is interesting to note that all sport bodies in charge of the most popular sports, such as athletics, swimming, rowing, wrestling, and weightlifting, have increased restrictions on transgender male to female athletes. Transwomen can currently participate against women in major competitions such as the Olympics if they have not experienced testosterone puberty.
So, on the one hand, we have DSD 46XY genetic male affected by normal male testosterone puberty, misdiagnosed at birth as a girl and allowed to compete against women, and on the other, transwomen are prohibited. The International Olympic Committee continues to act like fools.
I think we should remain silent until the IBA clearly gives out the test report and let the players concentrate on the game instead of causing greater public pressure to affect them.
Except that the players shouldn’t even be in the game if they are in fact males.
I am glad I found this video, just subscribed. You are level headed and logical, not to mention gorgeous. Like you say, this issue isn't hard. Just test them.
Thx!
True. But also check their past and medical records. And also the one from Algeria is 100% female. Algeria is a muslim country where LGBT alphabet is a CRIME, if it was a male competing against females she/he would be representing the refugee team if she/he wanted to follow the dream of becoming a pro athlete
@1individeo I’m not sure if you watched the video but I addressed that. I don’t think Khelif identifies as trans or even knew about this until failing the test last year that showed XY chromosomes.
My thoughts r the same .. inter sex athletes, having physical traits of a man and hv high testosterone should not be allowed to compete with women . Its totally unfair. Its crazy that in Olympics they don’t hv a proper rule for this. They cannot just determine the sex of an individual just by looking at the passport.
I just saw a bideo few days back .. where a man who is a coach for women bodybuilders .. competed in breaking the record for benchpress in women’s powerlifting .. bcus a trans women was holding the record, and he did this to show how bad and faulty the system is.
Yea, I remember seeing about that powerlifting one. Kinda funny to show the insanity of it. The whole passport being the determining factor for age and sex seems really weird. Especially when the guy says that people should use a scientific-based proof. 🤷♂️
But what about their dreams to become a boxer? Should they just forget about it and choose another career? And I don't think creating another category specifically for them is the solution because there are not that many intersex people in the world to begin with. So fuck them, then?
And plus if they do have 'mental illness' which I don't think they do why do we treat them like criminals? Do you go to a mental institution and start treating the mentally ills like they're some kind of criminals? No, you wouldn't do that. So why are we treating these people who people deem to be mentally ill like one, then? They didn't 'ask' to be mentally ill. So why are we making fun of them and try our very best to make their lives even more difficult than it already is for them?
@frostyheaven8612 so you shouldn’t be held accountable to the same rules as everyone else just because you have dreams?
@@CamberFitness You shouldn't blame them, is what I mean. They went through the same process as all the other Olympic athletes. Attacking these two athletes isn't the solution. The people who should be held accountable are those who allowed them to compete in the Olympics in the first place. These athletes have no power in deciding who gets to compete and who doesn't. It's not okay to attack others, especially on such a large scale. You may or may not agree with their gender, but that doesn't mean you get to send hate their way. They are people at the end of the day, with feelings just like us. Imagine if they were our family members and you saw them being treated this way by the whole world. It wouldn't feel good, right? Be kind, be better, and do better.
At least they’re more female than “Brittney” Griner is. How the U.S. is allowed to roster that guy on their women’s basketball team is beyond my comprehension
Because people don’t want to live in reality.
Im pretty sure the WBO which i believe is a higher boxing authority than the IBA backed the IBA tests
Didn’t know about that. I’ll have to look into it.
Yes, the VP of the WBO has been speaking out about it for a while.
"According to the IBA minutes available on their website, this decision was initially taken solely by the IBA Secretary General and CEO. The IBA Board only ratified it afterwards and only subsequently requested that a procedure to follow in similar cases in the future be established and reflected in the IBA Regulations.”
IOC
Ok. Regardless of what or how it was done, the accusation from the IBA is out there. The athletes could clear any confusion and let people know what kind of testing was done.
Fairness takes precedence over inclusivity in sports. The chromosome XY athletes who were raised as women, should not compete with chromosome XX athletes. This is regardless of how one is raised or what one's passport says. We are talking about biology here. The only golden rule should be a DNA test.
👏Someone with a brain! 🧠 Isn’t it sad that it’s coming to having to use the terms “XY athletes” shouldn’t compete against “XX Athletes”?
When I was doing my Honours Degree in Pharmaceuticals, one of my professors told us that people have XX or XY chromosomes. Sometimes you can be born with XXY or XXXXY.
The Y chromosome means you defo have a penis. However if you also have several X’s, you might have female features too. You might say those people were born that way however the whole point is if you do have the Y CHROMOSOME have a penis and higher testosterone plus male physical features is more muscles which puts them at a physical advantage (so XY is more advantaged than XXXY. And XXXY is physically more advantaged than an XX) So why would you disadvantage all the XX’s when it’s not their fault. Would you allow an XX female to box with XY’s just because she identifies as a He? 😂
Democracy does not mean giving someone an advantage while disadvantaging others. That is not what democracy is about.
For sure!
I think it will be more appropriate to use the word "female" in laying down the rules/guidelines of IOC. Using the word "woman" in the rules/guidelines creates problems that are merely based on semantics whereas using the word "female" will clearly define the rules/guidelines.
Unfortunately yes. I remember not too long ago when those meant the same thing.
A simple cheek swab would sort this, and then we'd know. Why haven't these athletes demanded this for clarity?
That’s what I don’t get. If you have nothing to hide, why wouldn’t you WANT to prove your innocent??
If this is the solution, what about male athletes who loosing out because of low testosterone or potentially they are biologically female. I could argue the same standard should apply
Well, you don’t ever see that happen because they wouldn’t make it very far in sports so there’d be no reason to test them.
So Low T men should be allowed to beat women?
@@Pinpadprompts I was reading that as low T men competing in men’s sports.
If someone is biologically a woman, then why are they competing against men? They can complete against women. I don’t even understand your question.
The only solution is that western contries stop trsition seargery and live as god crate them
You are made 🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿
You mean live in objective reality??? 🤯
@@CamberFitness live as real human
Since god created ADAM this IS the worst civilisation the western one
You are collapsing deep down
This is ridiculous. No one should allow them to play again women!!!
People’s brains are slowly being conditioned to it.
@@CamberFitness那位你們所稱的「男性選手」，在一出生時的身分證上，她的首要號碼是「2」，而那就是她女性的證明，一出生就被檢定為女性，IBA只是一直在記者會瞎扯跟不斷找話題，卻沒有真正給出證明跟明確證據，如果是這樣，怎麼可以這麼多人對一個無根據的事實抨擊跟霸凌一位認真比賽的女性？？？這是不公平的，也該感到羞恥。
那位你們所稱的「男性選手」，在一出生時的身分證上，她的首要號碼是「2」，而那就是她女性的證明，一出生就被檢定為女性，IBA只是一直在記者會瞎扯跟不斷找話題，卻沒有真正給出證明跟明確證據，如果是這樣，怎麼可以這麼多人對一個無根據的事實抨擊跟霸凌一位認真比賽的女性？？？這是不公平的，也該感到羞恥。
The IBA actually banned both athletes from competition for failing a gender test that resulted in XY chromosomes which indicates that someone is a male. Yu-Ting did NOT appeal that decision. Khelif DID initially appeal it but then withdrew the appeal. Why would you withdraw your appeal to fight back against a claim that you are a male if there is no real supporting evidence? Especially if you plan on competing in the olympics and know that this info will come out.
100% agree.
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XX female, XY male. Point is where the IBA is confusing?? Why have they always been allowed to qualify and how? Olympics association need to take a look at sports of all type.
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Looks like the men what if Mike Tyson decided before to be a trans ? Will they let him fight with female? And if they allow, probably the females will sleep at the first punch. This is unfair and messed up.
I get what you’re saying, but I also don’t think this is a simple “I now identify as a man” situation.
They should have sorted that problem well before admission to the competition . Allowing them to compete & then exposed them to sheer humiliation . It is rather cruel . Women with funny chromosomes XY could compete with their own group of the same stature . We are lucky & we must thank that Divine GRACE & try to be at least humble & not enhance more pain that the unlucky ones are going through . Talking about rules , state leaders do not even respect the international rules .
I agree that should have been sorted well before the competition. The IBA letter was sent to the IOC before the Olympics, and they would be naive to think this wouldn’t come out. The fact that your passport is what determines your age and gender for the IOC is ridiculous because that means I could get one that says woman and compete with women with no questions asked.
I don’t think it’s cruel because the athletes also knew that they failed that IBA gender test and set themselves up to be questioned by competing in the Olympics. It’s not like it’s any surprise to them. And like I said in the video, if you have nothing to hide, then simply get tested and prove you are a female.
'Women with funny chromosomes XY' are called....men
For sure.
It was sorted out. She met IOC guidelines. The problem arose when the Italian fighter had a meltdown and media put misleading information out and people ran with incorrect information. Italian boxer has apologized to Khelif stating she was angry her Olympics had gone up in smoke.
You do realize that based on the IOC guidelines any guy with a faked passport could compete as a woman?
I am liberal. v liberal but this is Shameless, trans should compete against trans not against biological women. woman competing against woman is competitive and enjoyable to watch, woman competing against wo'MAN' is Shameless. If this trans from Algeria wins gold he should be ashamed. Win or lose he should be ashamed. Trans Vs trans? Ok
xx v xx = competitive . xy v xx = non competitive. Whole point of sport….competitive competition
People would rather cater to the desires of one and disregard the rules and fairness to everyone else involved. 🤷♂️
Next time my passport expire I aply for passport and put female then I'm ready to go
Pretty much!
انت غبي 😂😂😂 ايمان خليف انثى ولدت انثى ولا تكون انسان جاهل
Khelif is a lady, in Algeria we don’t have this BS of trans that most of the westerners talk about, it is illegal and HARAM in Islam…if you don’t know what HARAM means, ask Andrew Tate
Only he had XY chromosome.. and high level of men hormones.. means 160% stronger bone ratio and regular punches hit harder. thats unfair to poor women that are getting slaughtered by these two boxers.. talking haram? you dont see man beating women haram eh? im not suprised arab ancestors grabbed swords and slaughtered innocent human beings in history..that not haram either.. you cant fool a science or history..!!
u hv to look at it from a biological point of view and why its unfair to women who r participating. In sports fairness is very important .., otherwise it won’t be a sport
I’m pretty sure I addressed that in the video. I don’t think Khelif knew until having the genetic tests done. But once you know that you have XY chromosomes (male), then that changes everything. It sucks for Khelif, and I’m sure that’ll mess with your mind if you genuinely thought you were a woman; but you can’t compete with women now…
So what do you do in Algeria if a baby is born with both female and male parts? That actually happens everywhere in the world , you know. So what would you do in Algeria? Would parents choose how to rase it?
@@larisatrepashko6893 they parents definitely have to make a choice, but I would get testing done first to confirm XX vs XY chromosomes to know.
Honestly it's a very sticky situation. They claim that these two have female parts, were born women and went through female puberty, but have xy chromosomes. It's a very rare condition. What i find suspicious is that out of the whole country, it's exactly this individual with the extremely rare condition that is their best fighter.
I was thinking the same thing. And that it’s two athletes at that!
Oh wait but Wikipedia said
In 2024, the IBA stated that Khelif and others "did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a secret unrecognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential" that determined they possessed a competitive advantage over other female competitors and were therefore disqualified, (16)
You do know you can go on Wikipedia and write/edit what you want?
‘All you have to do is test them’ as if you knew best
You think they’re at the Olympics and haven’t been tested lol
They’re all tested routinely and exhaustively
it’s just they the IOC doesn’t take the IBA into account, also what are the conclusive results from the IBA because last I checked they hadn’t been released to the public
ua-cam.com/video/ovCeNygomxs/v-deo.htmlsi=lPE8apMSyi-0jJwa
if you’re looking for an unbiased scientific report
If you were a top level athlete being accused of being the opposite sex, would you not demand to be tested and release the results to prove it if you have nothing to hide? The Olympics obviously doesn’t test everyone to see what sex they are because their documents state that’s solely based on your passport.
Got bat and balls -- Strike 1, 2, and 3 -- yerr outta there!
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oh yeah, IBA, that disgraced organization. seems credible.
That’s why I said just get tested if you don’t like or trust the IBA’s test results or claims.
@@CamberFitness I'm sure you're incapable of empathy but I'll try anyway.
You were born a woman - you were born with a vagina - in the way the world defines a woman, you are a woman.
When you get born, the doctor checks the genetalia and then says "congrats, it's a boy" if you have a penis - or "I'm sorry it's a girl" if you have a vagina. It is what it is. That's how the world has always defined boy and girl, man and woman.
You grew up as a woman. Not only did you grow up as a woman, being a woman made it hard for you to achieve your goals. Your family discouraged you to do boxing because it is 'conduct unbecoming of a woman' - in your society, it is considered weird for a woman to get into combat sports - but you did so anyway, against all odds.
And now, people suddenly ask you to take a test.
Also, the IBA does not get to dictate what qualifies or disqualifies you to compete in women's boxing. Not anymore. They effed up with all the corruption stuff so now they're irrelevant.
@@CamberFitness And just so it's clear - the answer is that why do we have to agree to YOUR test? Why not the IOC's test?
Who decides? Probably not you.
I’m not sure what you mean by MY test. The IBA claims their test results showed XY. The IOC’s only “test” is what does your passport say. My whole point in the video was to simply have the IOC give a test (or take one voluntarily if you have nothing to hide) to prove it. What so wrong with that?
I don’t get why everyone has this victim mentality. Every person who wins medals in the Olympics is going to get scrutinized because everyone else wanted the person from their country to win. When you enter the Olympics knowing that you were disqualified from a world championship for having XY chromosomes in a test result, you have to know that’s going to come to light.
@@CamberFitness [The IBA claims their test results showed XY. ]
Why should an XY result disqualify you?
Why not test their testosterone levels?
Why not genetalia test?
the need to test dna and testosteron or just see what is in pants? sory i dont get it maybe they swich sex and then they have tu test
That’s the problem isn’t it? Regardless if you take hormones, get body parts removed, and dress differently, you can’t actually change your sex. But society is trying to convince people that they can. If folks just lived in objective reality then we wouldn’t be having this issue.
@@CamberFitness i think they can't compeet becouse of orgin and high testosteron, they still stronger than regular girls.
For sure.
@@CamberFitness but another category for trans is beter than testosteron semi woman with slim girl
@piotrjabonski1859 or just stop affirming all this trans stuff and help people live in reality instead.
They are Women. One decided to begin boxing to defend her mother from abuse.
So defending your mother makes you a woman?
@@CamberFitness I still remember the mother who lost her son in France. They were from Algeria. Algeria has an Asteroid.
What does that have to do with someone being a male and competing against women?
@@CamberFitness A lot. Maybe people should care more. If it wasn't such an issue why all the discussion.
So because someone has had some kind of trauma happen in the past, the rules shouldn’t apply anymore? I really don’t understand your argument.
I don't know anything about the Taïwanese but the Alergian boxer can get pregnant so that is a woman.
How do you know that? Has Khelif been pregnant in the past?
@@CamberFitness 🤣🤣😂
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@@CamberFitness As far as i know .. inter sex can’t get pregnant. There is a small community of people known as ‘hijras’ here. And no one has ever heard of any of them getting pregnant
According to the best presumptions that numerous medical specialists have made on the case, that is absolutely NOT true that Imane can get pregnant naturally. Almost certainly, Imane has testes (whether internal or external). This is the most likely feasible scenario based on science, biology, how the likely DSD disorders would present, and their physical appearance and physiology (from youth till now).
why do all these DNA test? Cant it be something as simple as "Hey if they can give birth they can compete"?
With all the guys that dress and can pass as a woman externally nowadays, how would you know who could give birth?
@@CamberFitness Sorry I should have clarified my comment. I mean why not have that as a baseline must-meet condition. Not really discussing the testing portion.
Because certain competing bodies today just let non women compete willingly or do not know how to set a boundry if im being charitable.
Ill be honest scientists would know more about finding a valid test to check if the person meets the criteria to give birth beyond someone you know, just looking them naked or something.
There are some indicators like bone density, straight up X-Rays or something alike to filter things apart
It shouldn’t be necessary, but unfortunately people don’t want to live in objective reality anymore. 🤷♂️
A DNA test is actually extremely simple & quick to do, vs. other fertility tests that would have to be fairly extensive and still can have a whole host of issues in terms of any type of reliability or deciding factor related to these types of cases.
Also, how are you going to try and say an actual female that is infertile, or has had ovarian issues, or a hysterectomy (or a thousand other things) is somehow not woman enough to compete, just because she can not bear a child?
Good point!
Just pull down their pants
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with this problem or issue is getting big .. Sports committees should just implement a testing system. We r also seeing how trans men r beating women in women’s sports.
Far too simple no no this needs overcomplicating and blowing out of proportion
@techtinkerin 🤷♂️
That's actually not even close to the best solution here (for a whole multitude of reasons)...
One of the many, many reasons people with DSD end up in situations like this to begin with, is due to having ambiguous external parts. Plus, its not like gender reassignment surgery is even rare anymore, so that really makes just a visual check fairly useless in a lot of these cases anyway.