Lin Yu-Ting was born a girl. Her ID card number in Taiwan starts with 2, which is the prefix for females according to the Taiwanese government, and this ID cannot be changed later. I don't understand why a naturally born female is being smeared and attacked by an association with a history of wrongdoing, and why the victim herself has to prove she is not a girl. Moreover, she was born a girl and there is no issue of gender transition. I hope that in future boxing matches, losers won't use gestures like 'X' as an excuse for their defeat.
For all people wishing to toss abuse and insults at Yu Ting, I encourage you to go get your facts straight before targeting someone who has not been proven to break any rules. The information against her and Khelif are just unproven accusations at this point, but what we do know is that this does not fit into the anti-trans sports competition culture war, so don’t let this be the hill you die on.
Then why don't they go through an actual gender test and publish the results. I heard that it could be done with a simple cheek swap. They can prove everyone wrong with their XX chromosones and normal Testosterone levels, right?
nah, that's really humiliating that someone has to prove themselves for their sex. why not just ask her to show her vagina publicly, that's even more convincing, isnt it? she's born female and deemed as female the whole life....really weird demanding her do any test
@@izabelawianecka7563Cóż.. szczerze to ciężko jest spotykać na co dzień kobiety, które z wyglądu nie mają widocznych żadnych cech żeńskich i wygląda po prostu jak facet. Strzelam, że gdyby na 500tyś. losowych kobiet znaleźć taką jedną to byłoby to już bardzo dużo. 😂
What a shame for those ignorant people who "claiming" Lin is a "boy" without further researching. Lin has passed all the gender testings for these competitions. Cris Cyborga also won many MMA titles. She looks more like a "man" comparing to Lin. We should not critize manly looking female sport players based on their look. It's disgusting.
It should never be about looks but about DSD athletes. The elevated levels of testosterone above the average detected in women has an impact on performance. The kind of force they can generate in punches can result in severe injuries for female athletes.
@@leroy44 Women with elevated levels of testosterone are still women. Every world-class athlete is going to have advantages over the rest of us; that's how competition works.
Some background. IBA got support financially from Russia for years. Current IBA president Umar Kremlev is a friend of Vladimr Putin. When the re-election of IBA president was organized 2022, Umar Kremlev simply disqualified all challengers (sounds familiar?), so he was the only person to be "elected". IBA received a lot of sponsorship from Russia's state owned natural gas companies. When the freeworld sanctioned athletes from Russia and Belarus for Russia 's invasion of Ukraine, IBA allowed Russian and Belarussian boxers to represent their countries in IBA matches. All of the EU and allies boycotted IBA's match. IBA was disqualifed as a body for organizing boxing matches for boxers that will enter the Olympic games by IOC in 2019. Imane Khelif participated in a tournament by IBA and defeated another contestent Azalia Amineva - and she is Russian, a rising boxing star who was never defeated until defeated by Khelif - then as soon as Amineva was defeated, Khelif was singled out for "testing" (whatever that means, IBA still refuses to disclose what exactly were tested, the procedures etc.). IBA also contradicted their own statements: first they said they never tested the testosterone levels of Lin nor Khelif, then in recent press conference, IBA spokespersons suddenly claimed that their levels of testosterone were what and what. Just connect the dots. The same thing also occurred to Lin, because Lin be fighting the same Azalia Amineva at the IBA tournament where Khelif was stripped of her bronze medal. IBA did not test all the participants for "gender eligibility" but targetted a handful without disclosing the rationale Another thing. JK Rowling used a standard of how a woman should look like based on her as a white (supremicist) woman's belief as to how "feminist appearences" should be - neither Imane Khelif nor Lin Yu Ting is white. Racisim definitely is a factor. Also, neither Lin nor Khelif has the kind of muscular body or big built of a masculine body. Lin is somewhat slender and her arms are not large at all. Also, the Y chromosome only have a small part that instruct the body to produce the male hormones, and the body can fail to produce them. Even if the body did produce the male hormones, not all of them are produced, not all of them are in sufficient quantities. Let's say if the body all of the male hormones in the required levels, not all parts of the body will respond. The hormones have to arrive at the receptors at different organs and places and not all of the receptors are working properly or responding correctly and at all the places. Some male may develop muscles, facial hair, but small genitalias, and some developed male genitalia, but weak muscles and bone density. There are a lot of factors affecing sexual deveopment. Don't pretend to know when you never really read up about it. Let me ask a question. If there is a pre-natal test that can screen embryos with DSDs, will you support aborting these embryos? (Denmark practically eliminated Down Syndrome by pre-natal screening)
You were sounding pretty reasonable until you called JK Rowling a White Supremacist. Transphobic? Sure. But she's always been solidly anti racist. Have you read the books she wrote? Anyway, I now also kinda question your accusations against the IBA.
Your first point is basically saying Russia bad Russia lie Russia wants to screw with boxers from Taiwan? That alone is getting your credibility low since there is no reason to support that. Adding on Jk Rowling, goddam you are a whole package.
She started learning boxing because she witnessed her father beating her mother when she was young and wanted to protect her. She even cut off her beautiful long hair to make it easier to train every day. Now, she’s being attacked because of some people’s malicious rumors. It’s really heartbreaking to see. 💔
@@mariankoniuszko666 What are you talking about? You don’t even understand Mandarin, but now you can tell the difference in Chinese tones for different genders? What a joke. You must be very smart
I think you must understand the social customs in Asia and Taiwan in the past. In Taiwan about 30 years ago, people were more inclined to hope to give birth to a boy. Therefore, if there were a few cases where doctors misdiagnosed, most of them were due to pregnant women being pregnant. During this period, drugs of unknown origin were taken that caused the fetus to have an enlarged clitoris. Therefore, doctors and parents tended to identify the newborn as male, rather than conversely identifying the newborn with a biological sex of male as female. If a newborn is determined to be female, her explicit sex characteristics are female. In fact, in Ms. Lin's other videos, her coaches and past classmates mentioned that she had periods. If you question whether she has DSD or XY chromosomes, you must first ask IBA to provide written evidence that she has XY chromosomes, instead of just talking about it. As for why she and Taiwan didn't produce her chromosome report to prove this, I think it's not just a gender issue, but also Taiwan's international status. Because chromosomes are the standard for IBA, but Taiwan has already chosen IOC. Without IOC, Ms. Lin would not even be able to compete in this Olympics. If Ms. Lin submitted the chromosome report at this time, wouldn't the IOC feel that Taiwan had betrayed them? In fact, behind this is a political struggle between iba and ioc, and Ms. Lin and Taiwan (Chinese Taipei) are just one of the tools in their struggle.😢
Could Lin or TeamTaiwan officially permit IBA to show the proof of chromosome test? they showed the front cover of the test report at the press conference, but they could not show the details to the public cause they got a request from Taiwan, which did not allow them to show any of Lin's information to the public.
Some background. IBA got support financially from Russia for years. Current IBA president Umar Kremlev is a friend of Vladimr Putin. When the re-election of IBA president was organized 2022, Umar Kremlev simply disqualified all challengers (sounds familiar?), so he was the only person to be "elected". IBA received a lot of sponsorship from Russia's state owned natural gas companies. When the freeworld sanctioned athletes from Russia and Belarus for Russia 's invasion of Ukraine, IBA allowed Russian and Belarussian boxers to represent their countries in IBA matches. All of the EU and allies boycotted IBA's match. IBA was disqualifed as a body for organizing boxing matches for boxers that will enter the Olympic games by IOC in 2019. Imane Khelif participated in a tournament by IBA and defeated another contestent Azalia Amineva - and she is Russian, a rising boxing star who was never defeated until defeated by Khelif - then as soon as Amineva was defeated, Khelif was singled out for "testing" (whatever that means, IBA still refuses to disclose what exactly were tested, the procedures etc.). IBA also contradicted their own statements: first they said they never tested the testosterone levels of Lin nor Khelif, then in recent press conference, IBA spokespersons suddenly claimed that their levels of testosterone were what and what. Just connect the dots. The same thing also occurred to Lin, because Lin be fighting the same Azalia Amineva at the IBA tournament where Khelif was stripped of her bronze medal. IBA did not test all the participants for "gender eligibility" but targetted a handful without disclosing the rationale Another thing. JK Rowling used a standard of how a woman should look like based on her as a white (supremicist) woman's belief as to how "feminist appearences" should be - neither Imane Khelif nor Lin Yu Ting is white. Racisim definitely is a factor. Also, neither Lin nor Khelif has the kind of muscular body or big built of a masculine body. Lin is somewhat slender and her arms are not large at all. Also, the Y chromosome only have a small part that instruct the body to produce the male hormones, and the body can fail to produce them. Even if the body did produce the male hormones, not all of them are produced, not all of them are in sufficient quantities. Let's say if the body all of the male hormones in the required levels, not all parts of the body will respond. The hormones have to arrive at the receptors at different organs and places and not all of the receptors are working properly or responding correctly and at all the places. Some male may develop muscles, facial hair, but small genitalias, and some developed male genitalia, but weak muscles and bone density. There are a lot of factors affecing sexual deveopment. Don't pretend to know when you never really read up about it. This is an interview of Lin and she doesn't have the "masculine" body as you all imagined ua-cam.com/video/27zh6YJ14KQ/v-deo.html Let me ask a question. If there is a pre-natal test that can screen embryos with DSDs, will you support aborting these embryos? (Denmark practically eliminated Down Syndrome by pre-natal screening)
@@yellowlynx yes we do pre-natal testing even in my 3rd world country Türkiye and we do abortion if needed. As long as this lady mensurates and able to get pregnant like a real woman I wouldn't care how she looks or how much testosterone she has as long as it is natural . Because as you might know this hormone is used illegally by all athletes to develop muscle strength as well. If she is somewhat in a gender dysphoria situation I wouldn't mind it either as long as she was born female. But I gotta tell you , I have just watched her beat our world champion female boxer 15 minutes ago and she moved like a man . Reflexes of male athletes are quicker due to stronger bone mass and core muscles . She also looked like a man which I didn't care ,then our commentator started talking about her and another boxer lady failing their gender tests and the controversy then I have started doing some research. Found this interview and I can tell you that she sounds like an average male for her height and weight. This is not an opinion it is a factual observation. I am a musician and my job also gives me the capability to categorize people according to their vocal range. She sounds like a tenor but we call it mezzo Alto when it is a lady who has this voice in very rare occasions. So let me ask you this. Do you know the saying "If it sounds like a duck , moves like a duck , and looks like one " there is no debate it is a duck. There is no racism or sexism or homophobia here. When these kind of things happen they need to proven officially and extraordinarily because people are trying to protect women and their sport. If she is an actual female born athlete she is a very special woman with man like reflexes she would be praised and respected with her hard work she would achieve a lot of success but if the Taiwanese government playing some games by forging documents like which has happened in the past so many times under the cover of gender identity BS , then it is a very dangerous and serious crime...
Why IOC hasn't performed a gender biological test for both boxers but only referred to their passports only when IBA warned IOC both boxers were biologically determined as male in laboratories in Turkey and India
The Olympic Committee conducts gender verification tests, and the results show that the athletes meet the required standards, which is why they are allowed to compete, right? Lin Yu-Ting has participated in many international competitions over the years, and aside from the IBA incident, she has passed all other gender verification tests. Are we to believe that only the IBA's gender test was correct and that all the others were incorrect?
@@su3dk3u32k7Yes, IOC verified by only referring to passport and not the biological test done by laboratory, actually IBA banned the two athletes including Lin to participate any women boxing competitions because both of them were proved to be biological man after the laboratory tests
@@silentwater79 We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
@@UA-cam越來越紅了 His Testosteron levels are higher than that of a women and if he has also XY Chromosomes, he is a man. So if he is a real women, he would have no problems proving it. And XY is male, no matter what. Even his body and face clearly show male anatomy.
@@Marinda-o4j Yesterday, a man, Lin Yu-ting, fought against a woman, Julia Szeremeta, in boxing for the Olympic gold, and you call me a hater? Is there something wrong with your head?
Lin was registered female at birth, New Taipei City Councilor Cho Kuan-ting (卓冠廷) said in a Facebook post on Wednesday. Lin’s national identification number begins with a “2,” the designation for females, while males are assigned a “1.” The number cannot be altered, according to Hsinchu City Government.
Just because a woman appeared with male characteristic, such as short hair and masculine face structure DOESN'T mean that she is a man, there are interview with her coach saying that she experience period cramps while training, there is no way she isn't a woman.
In fact if we looked at videos of Lin years ago when she was in high-school, she didn't develop the muscular masculine built like the actual transgenders who have increased bone and muscle mass, giving them a very strong body through puberty. Lin is much more slender and she compensated by extra weight training. ua-cam.com/video/G4IUdp9RV3g/v-deo.html
Innocent until proven guilty, in my eyes at least. There is a range between “objectively male” and “female with genetic advantages”. People tend to forget that there are 23 chromosome pairs, not one
@@jklee5419 We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
Easy a scan to the pelvis can determine under 90° men and can't give birth above 90° usually 110° female can give birth, round pelvic inlet for female,oval for male,also testosterone level is wrong to determine gender cause you might have low testosterone when tested but you ve benefited of high testosterone lvls in puberty and gotten higher bone density ,muscle density tougher ligaments and tendons, and the advantages can't be taken back from low testosterone at one point when testing so cut the BS
@@jklee5419 Well, only IBA has question to her sexual ,IOC has not, and she attends the Olympics which is from IOC. By the way, IOC has banned IBA .And some stupid guy in comments believe IBA instead of IOC
Until people experience physical differences in their own families, they will never understand physical abnormalities or differences. Ask yourself if there are any people in your family who can't bear children. Now you can understand genetic differences better. This boxer has the heart of a champion. That is the reason why she won.
Will these people with differences participate a fighting against female? Out of all the occupations in this world, you have to choose to beat up women?
@claredin Well we should all be fighting for a different category. And stop messing up with female sports, it's not fair. You know what he is yourself but you continue labelling him as a woman. You should be ashamed of yourself
If it looks, talks and walks like a fox... the probability it's a fox is huge. Forgive us for addressing the elephant in the room, but after all the scandals with male athletes destroying women records after declaring themselves women... well this went to far, and we must make sure that women sports remain fair for women.
Erm hem (respectful cough) i beg to disagree. Im not going with the politics but if i was presented with her as a potential ❤ after a night out. I'd consider it risky territory 😂😅 @@sindywei
older Taiwanese women with a southern Taiwanese accent do sound like that. In any case it doesn’t sound like any male I’ve ever heard other than maybe guys during puberty.
Lin shows the world that no matter how the environment treats you, your inner strength and determination can still lead you to shine and succeed. That’s why, Lin, you are a champion in the hearts of every Taiwanese. Imagine what a female athlete has to face. You need to be strong, but not too strong, or people will question your gender. You need to be talented, but not too talented, or people will claim your physical abilities are unfair to other athletes. You need to focus on the game while also navigating institutional attacks driven by political motives. Thank you, Lin, for staying strong. You stand not only for Taiwan but for everyone who faces unjust challenges and discrimination.
Gotta love the western mindset for letting people like this into the highest stage of sports, we're truly progressing!!!! Women train for years drenchedn blood and sweat just to face with a man. Genuinely appaling.
@@challenger516 We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
In boxing, especially for the Olympics and not the UFC type thing, please do not rabbit punch a person ever again. It will destroy a person's whole life in a second, and also, it will hurt you as well. The game does not worth that much stress... You are already good boxer I can tell, play smart.
@@celestecommunity3204 first off she’s from Taiwan second I’ve had different mandarin male tutors as well as female tutors one thing for sure is she would most definitely have an Adam’s Apple no doubt. Third you obviously have never been around masc females that purposely lower their voices that’s a woman.
Having XY chromosomes does not necessarily mean a person is female; in fact, some individuals are biologically female but still have XY chromosomes. Therefore, the best standard for determining the fairness of a competition should be testosterone levels, as testosterone is the factor that affects an athlete's performance, not chromosomes. Using XY chromosomes as a criterion has indeed led to Lin Yu Ting, who was born female and raised as a female, being mistakenly perceived as male. Having XY chromosomes does not give an athlete an advantage in competition (testosterone levels do). Some people believe that banning athletes with XY chromosomes from competing is a way to protect female athletes from harm, but this has actually harmed a true female.
I'm sorry XY mean male. And female is XX. @Mengber you are really confusing me with your way of words. I stand corrected these 2 athletes are not female!!!
Why don't you get chromosome and testosterone test then ? It is so controversial and all IOC did only was checking the passport ? Why didn't you appeal when IBA banned you from boxing?
Of course, she did the above tests, and it was the IBA that didn't allow her to appeal. What nonsense are you talking about? Where did this fake news come from?
Of course, she did the above tests, and it was the IBA that didn't allow her to appeal. What nonsense are you talking about? Where did this fake news come from?
@@Leckim-f1 Lin has not once come out to reject the claim of XY chromosome results. Instead , Taiwan requested IBA not to release the report . Something very fishy here .
Lin Yu Ting is a female. The X and Y chromosomes are called “sex chromosomes” because they contribute to how a person's sex develops. Most males have XY chromosomes and most women have XX chromosomes. But there are girls and women who have XY chromosomes. This can happen, for example, when a girl has androgen insensitivity syndrome.
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
Those who said aboud DSD, XXY, where is your evidence? At glance, I could not tell from the face. I tried to find Lin's photo as a 13 year. Looked like a sweet young girl. I tried to find the mothers photoshop. I have tried to look for more info. I think those who only spreds rumors without tying to look fir more info is just bully.
She looks like a boy in all her photos, are you blind? She looked like one before, she looks like one now, she looks way more manly than her mother, she is way taller than her mother, she has peach fuzz, she has a deep voice, she even looks like a man in make up. How many coincidences do we have to have before we can say its not a coincidence any more?
Lin, you shine bright like a diamond. Your resilience has inspired all of us. We stay true to ourselves and we strive for a better version of who we are. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
shame on Julia. Lin boxing in Asia from very young age. Trans compete with women isn’t accepted in Asia. We don’t open to this kind of things yet. Lin cut her to save time for training. And some losers bullying her hair for her looking.shame on Julia for making this kind of lie.
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
You should be ashamed for believing a loser’s vicious lie that make this bullying shit happen. We Asia doesn’t accept trans compete with woman athletes yet. 這種事情會讓運動員聲譽毀滅
No, it's sure ... Two transgender people compete against women in boxing and win gold ... Of course, this has nothing to do with the physical advantages of being a man.
Neither of the cheat boxers are I. Iman has a micromania and XY chromosomes, Lin is XY. Having DSD doesn't make you a "woman' a female, trans etc. It just makes you a man. And these two men know they're men and they want to beat up women.
I mean I feel like it kind of makes sense that if an intersex woman is indeed intersex, that those male genetics would lead them toward more physical pursuits. So yeah, while I do find the presence of two potential intersexes a bit uncanny, it also kind of makes sense that such uniquely designed humans would have some kind of 'super human' strengths and those naturally higher testosterone levels would lead them to want to fight and compete. So it's odd, but at the same time not really at all.
@@sensuscommunis2526 Being intersex means you can also be in a woman’s body with higher levels of women’s hormones, a menstrual cycle , and all the things a female body comes along with , in addition to some presences of male hormones in higher levels etc. it’s not that simple, but simple minds will ofcourse attempt to reduce everything to a simple black and white deduction. I cannot squeeze my educated and palatial mind into a tiny hole rightnow, sorry, so I’m gonna bounce off the chat. Cheers with your likely snooze fest of a life 😴🥱
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
Go watch IBA 's conference ,they can't provide any proof,Lin Yu Ting is the victim too. Taiwan can't use Taiwan as a name to compete Olympics,how can Taiwan force IBA to not reveal the report. She looks handsome doesnt means she is a man.
Supporting you from Germany! Stay the way who you are! 😊 Comment section is full of people who can only think in black and white instead of accepting individual differences - human beings are more than gender stereotypes 🙄
BBC Sport News Aug 5 2024 ‘IBA holds chaotic news conference on Olympic boxing row’ … ‘The IBA said the tests were sent to two different laboratories that are accredited by the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada). However, Wada has told BBC Sport it does not oversee gender tests and its work only relates to anti-doping matters.’ It looks like IBA lied about the tests.
It's about the rules and equal rights for all women. We are dealing with ANOMALIES that are not adapted to the average level of the average woman. A few more examples. For example, a giant measuring 3 meters high will have very long legs and will always win every race. How many such giants live in the world? There will definitely be a few people. That's what the games are for, to check what the level of human evolution is. They show records for the average of the entire population in the world. In the case of boxing and strong "male" punches, these rules are broken. It's simply unfair. Sports are compromised today. Pierre de Coubertin would be very worried 😒
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
I'm so happy that she won! I'm from Poland, but what the Szeremeta did on her Instagram was disgusting. So, I'm with Lin ❤ She deserve gold. She has greate physic and mental strenght. She is a inspiration for other women.
@@stonegray1So if he is a women he should have no problems to prove it with a DNA test. If he has XY Chromosomes, he is a man and not able to give birth to a child.
@@tobiasobermayr501 Lin Yu-Ting was born female and has complied with all applicable medical regulations set by the Paris 2024 Boxing Unit. There is an astounding amount of evidence (her social security number, pictures from her childhood, gender checks from various boxing competitions) that proves Lin Yu-Ting is a biological female.
@@silentwater79 We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
Fair, but Yu-Ting is not transgender. She's a cisgender woman, born AFAB. Even if she was born XY, with CAIS or DSD, she would still be a woman because she would have been assigned female at birth.
We all know by know the IBA made unsubstantiated claims. And if you don't substantiate a claim, the claim is worthless and highly likely just a lie. So why are you repeating lies?
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
@@silentwater79 That's not how it works. If you make a claim, you have to prove said claim. It's not on others to prove the opposite. It's 2024, i actually thought by that time people know how this stuff works. But no we still have this "proving the opposite" thing.
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do. If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
Lin Yu-Ting was born a girl. Her ID card number in Taiwan starts with 2, which is the prefix for females according to the Taiwanese government, and this ID cannot be changed later.
I don't understand why a naturally born female is being smeared and attacked by an association with a history of wrongdoing, and why the victim herself has to prove she is not a girl.
Moreover, she was born a girl and there is no issue of gender transition. I hope that in future boxing matches, losers won't use gestures like 'X' as an excuse for their defeat.
in the most recent DNA tests He tested to indeed have the Y chromosome! get that thru your thick head. biological females do not have Y chromosome.
you don't understand the outrage of having an unfair easy advantage wow you're either liberal or just extremely ignorant.
@@ryuseioh3507 there's no easy advantage for her whatsoever
@@szymonskoczylas5225 tell me you don't know what you're saying without telling me
@@Rightoutlove shame on Taiwan
For all people wishing to toss abuse and insults at Yu Ting, I encourage you to go get your facts straight before targeting someone who has not been proven to break any rules. The information against her and Khelif are just unproven accusations at this point, but what we do know is that this does not fit into the anti-trans sports competition culture war, so don’t let this be the hill you die on.
People like you are the reason women's sports is dying. You do not fool yourself into believing this guy is a "female".
If he has a Y chromosome it’s a man. This is basic biology
XY = testostrone like men. They should compete in men category
Then why don't they go through an actual gender test and publish the results. I heard that it could be done with a simple cheek swap. They can prove everyone wrong with their XX chromosones and normal Testosterone levels, right?
nah, that's really humiliating that someone has to prove themselves for their sex.
why not just ask her to show her vagina publicly, that's even more convincing, isnt it?
she's born female and deemed as female the whole life....really weird demanding her do any test
Nice female.voice, face, right?
Masculine face and body and strong arms
XY Chromosome. They fail to ask the real questions. No period, no pregnancy, high testosterone. Not a woman = scandal.
@@humanbeing3946I guess you really have met just a few women in your life.
@@izabelawianecka7563Cóż.. szczerze to ciężko jest spotykać na co dzień kobiety, które z wyglądu nie mają widocznych żadnych cech żeńskich i wygląda po prostu jak facet. Strzelam, że gdyby na 500tyś. losowych kobiet znaleźć taką jedną to byłoby to już bardzo dużo. 😂
@petermate6723 really like your sarcasm 😀
What a shame for those ignorant people who "claiming" Lin is a "boy" without further researching. Lin has passed all the gender testings for these competitions. Cris Cyborga also won many MMA titles. She looks more like a "man" comparing to Lin. We should not critize manly looking female sport players based on their look. It's disgusting.
It should never be about looks but about DSD athletes. The elevated levels of testosterone above the average detected in women has an impact on performance. The kind of force they can generate in punches can result in severe injuries for female athletes.
Trans
@@ukaszpiotrowski4876 DSD is not trans. Educate yourself.
@@leroy44 Women with elevated levels of testosterone are still women. Every world-class athlete is going to have advantages over the rest of us; that's how competition works.
@@ukaszpiotrowski4876 please educate yourself, Lin is not a trans! Please do research before stating this nonsense, so silly!!!!!
Some background. IBA got support financially from Russia for years. Current IBA president Umar Kremlev is a friend of Vladimr Putin. When the re-election of IBA president was organized 2022, Umar Kremlev simply disqualified all challengers (sounds familiar?), so he was the only person to be "elected".
IBA received a lot of sponsorship from Russia's state owned natural gas companies.
When the freeworld sanctioned athletes from Russia and Belarus for Russia 's invasion of Ukraine, IBA allowed Russian and Belarussian boxers to represent their countries in IBA matches.
All of the EU and allies boycotted IBA's match.
IBA was disqualifed as a body for organizing boxing matches for boxers that will enter the Olympic games by IOC in 2019.
Imane Khelif participated in a tournament by IBA and defeated another contestent Azalia Amineva - and she is Russian, a rising boxing star who was never defeated until defeated by Khelif - then as soon as Amineva was defeated, Khelif was singled out for "testing" (whatever that means, IBA still refuses to disclose what exactly were tested, the procedures etc.).
IBA also contradicted their own statements: first they said they never tested the testosterone levels of Lin nor Khelif, then in recent press conference, IBA spokespersons suddenly claimed that their levels of testosterone were what and what.
Just connect the dots. The same thing also occurred to Lin, because Lin be fighting the same Azalia Amineva at the IBA tournament where Khelif was stripped of her bronze medal.
IBA did not test all the participants for "gender eligibility" but targetted a handful without disclosing the rationale
Another thing. JK Rowling used a standard of how a woman should look like based on her as a white (supremicist) woman's belief as to how "feminist appearences" should be - neither Imane Khelif nor Lin Yu Ting is white. Racisim definitely is a factor.
Also, neither Lin nor Khelif has the kind of muscular body or big built of a masculine body. Lin is somewhat slender and her arms are not large at all.
Also, the Y chromosome only have a small part that instruct the body to produce the male hormones, and the body can fail to produce them. Even if the body did produce the male hormones, not all of them are produced, not all of them are in sufficient quantities.
Let's say if the body all of the male hormones in the required levels, not all parts of the body will respond. The hormones have to arrive at the receptors at different organs and places and not all of the receptors are working properly or responding correctly and at all the places. Some male may develop muscles, facial hair, but small genitalias, and some developed male genitalia, but weak muscles and bone density.
There are a lot of factors affecing sexual deveopment.
Don't pretend to know when you never really read up about it.
Let me ask a question.
If there is a pre-natal test that can screen embryos with DSDs, will you support aborting these embryos? (Denmark practically eliminated Down Syndrome by pre-natal screening)
You were sounding pretty reasonable until you called JK Rowling a White Supremacist. Transphobic? Sure. But she's always been solidly anti racist. Have you read the books she wrote? Anyway, I now also kinda question your accusations against the IBA.
No one care about the background of IBA.
Lin can release the chromosome test to defense himself
Why doesn't IOC perform any test on him then ? If you don't trust Russian why don't you do your own tests ? Something so fishy about it
TL;DR 😂
Your first point is basically saying Russia bad Russia lie Russia wants to screw with boxers from Taiwan? That alone is getting your credibility low since there is no reason to support that. Adding on Jk Rowling, goddam you are a whole package.
Everyone sinked in a unexpected and meaningless argument.
She started learning boxing because she witnessed her father beating her mother when she was young and wanted to protect her. She even cut off her beautiful long hair to make it easier to train every day. Now, she’s being attacked because of some people’s malicious rumors. It’s really heartbreaking to see. 💔
yeah, and changed his voice tone ;))))))
Doesn’t make you a woman
Therefore, does Lin want to beat women from behind?
Or was it the mother who beat the father?
@@mariankoniuszko666
What are you talking about?
You don’t even understand Mandarin, but now you can tell the difference in Chinese tones for different genders? What a joke.
You must be very smart
I think you must understand the social customs in Asia and Taiwan in the past. In Taiwan about 30 years ago, people were more inclined to hope to give birth to a boy. Therefore, if there were a few cases where doctors misdiagnosed, most of them were due to pregnant women being pregnant. During this period, drugs of unknown origin were taken that caused the fetus to have an enlarged clitoris. Therefore, doctors and parents tended to identify the newborn as male, rather than conversely identifying the newborn with a biological sex of male as female. If a newborn is determined to be female, her explicit sex characteristics are female. In fact, in Ms. Lin's other videos, her coaches and past classmates mentioned that she had periods.
If you question whether she has DSD or XY chromosomes, you must first ask IBA to provide written evidence that she has XY chromosomes, instead of just talking about it.
As for why she and Taiwan didn't produce her chromosome report to prove this, I think it's not just a gender issue, but also Taiwan's international status. Because chromosomes are the standard for IBA, but Taiwan has already chosen IOC. Without IOC, Ms. Lin would not even be able to compete in this Olympics. If Ms. Lin submitted the chromosome report at this time, wouldn't the IOC feel that Taiwan had betrayed them? In fact, behind this is a political struggle between iba and ioc, and Ms. Lin and Taiwan (Chinese Taipei) are just one of the tools in their struggle.😢
Easy Enough ask IOC to provide the DNA test, as simple as a saliva swap procedure but they refused and we all know why!
He is a boy , definitely not a female.
XY
Could Lin or TeamTaiwan officially permit IBA to show the proof of chromosome test? they showed the front cover of the test report at the press conference, but they could not show the details to the public cause they got a request from Taiwan, which did not allow them to show any of Lin's information to the public.
Some background. IBA got support financially from Russia for years. Current IBA president Umar Kremlev is a friend of Vladimr Putin. When the re-election of IBA president was organized 2022, Umar Kremlev simply disqualified all challengers (sounds familiar?), so he was the only person to be "elected".
IBA received a lot of sponsorship from Russia's state owned natural gas companies.
When the freeworld sanctioned athletes from Russia and Belarus for Russia 's invasion of Ukraine, IBA allowed Russian and Belarussian boxers to represent their countries in IBA matches.
All of the EU and allies boycotted IBA's match.
IBA was disqualifed as a body for organizing boxing matches for boxers that will enter the Olympic games by IOC in 2019.
Imane Khelif participated in a tournament by IBA and defeated another contestent Azalia Amineva - and she is Russian, a rising boxing star who was never defeated until defeated by Khelif - then as soon as Amineva was defeated, Khelif was singled out for "testing" (whatever that means, IBA still refuses to disclose what exactly were tested, the procedures etc.).
IBA also contradicted their own statements: first they said they never tested the testosterone levels of Lin nor Khelif, then in recent press conference, IBA spokespersons suddenly claimed that their levels of testosterone were what and what.
Just connect the dots. The same thing also occurred to Lin, because Lin be fighting the same Azalia Amineva at the IBA tournament where Khelif was stripped of her bronze medal.
IBA did not test all the participants for "gender eligibility" but targetted a handful without disclosing the rationale
Another thing. JK Rowling used a standard of how a woman should look like based on her as a white (supremicist) woman's belief as to how "feminist appearences" should be - neither Imane Khelif nor Lin Yu Ting is white. Racisim definitely is a factor.
Also, neither Lin nor Khelif has the kind of muscular body or big built of a masculine body. Lin is somewhat slender and her arms are not large at all.
Also, the Y chromosome only have a small part that instruct the body to produce the male hormones, and the body can fail to produce them. Even if the body did produce the male hormones, not all of them are produced, not all of them are in sufficient quantities.
Let's say if the body all of the male hormones in the required levels, not all parts of the body will respond. The hormones have to arrive at the receptors at different organs and places and not all of the receptors are working properly or responding correctly and at all the places. Some male may develop muscles, facial hair, but small genitalias, and some developed male genitalia, but weak muscles and bone density.
There are a lot of factors affecing sexual deveopment.
Don't pretend to know when you never really read up about it.
This is an interview of Lin and she doesn't have the "masculine" body as you all imagined
ua-cam.com/video/27zh6YJ14KQ/v-deo.html
Let me ask a question.
If there is a pre-natal test that can screen embryos with DSDs, will you support aborting these embryos? (Denmark practically eliminated Down Syndrome by pre-natal screening)
@yellowlynx this is the most thought out response I've seen any where!! I may be quoting you.
@@yellowlynx yes we do pre-natal testing even in my 3rd world country Türkiye and we do abortion if needed. As long as this lady mensurates and able to get pregnant like a real woman I wouldn't care how she looks or how much testosterone she has as long as it is natural . Because as you might know this hormone is used illegally by all athletes to develop muscle strength as well. If she is somewhat in a gender dysphoria situation I wouldn't mind it either as long as she was born female. But I gotta tell you , I have just watched her beat our world champion female boxer 15 minutes ago and she moved like a man . Reflexes of male athletes are quicker due to stronger bone mass and core muscles . She also looked like a man which I didn't care ,then our commentator started talking about her and another boxer lady failing their gender tests and the controversy then I have started doing some research. Found this interview and I can tell you that she sounds like an average male for her height and weight. This is not an opinion it is a factual observation. I am a musician and my job also gives me the capability to categorize people according to their vocal range. She sounds like a tenor but we call it mezzo Alto when it is a lady who has this voice in very rare occasions. So let me ask you this. Do you know the saying "If it sounds like a duck , moves like a duck , and looks like one " there is no debate it is a duck. There is no racism or sexism or homophobia here. When these kind of things happen they need to proven officially and extraordinarily because people are trying to protect women and their sport. If she is an actual female born athlete she is a very special woman with man like reflexes she would be praised and respected with her hard work she would achieve a lot of success but if the Taiwanese government playing some games by forging documents like which has happened in the past so many times under the cover of gender identity BS , then it is a very dangerous and serious crime...
@@yellowlynx that xy Algerian was disqualified after it beaten our Thai XX boxer, Janjaem. We reported it. Nothing to do with Russia
The Taiwan Boxing Association denied this statement and asked the IBA to provide evidence indicating which Taiwanese official made the request.
Why IOC hasn't performed a gender biological test for both boxers but only referred to their passports only when IBA warned IOC both boxers were biologically determined as male in laboratories in Turkey and India
why cant you be informed and realize that they're both BORN female?
The Olympic Committee conducts gender verification tests, and the results show that the athletes meet the required standards, which is why they are allowed to compete, right? Lin Yu-Ting has participated in many international competitions over the years, and aside from the IBA incident, she has passed all other gender verification tests. Are we to believe that only the IBA's gender test was correct and that all the others were incorrect?
@@su3dk3u32k7Yes, IOC verified by only referring to passport and not the biological test done by laboratory, actually IBA banned the two athletes including Lin to participate any women boxing competitions because both of them were proved to be biological man after the laboratory tests
@@tfylhk because IOC is controlled by the west, and as we know west has become a dumb places
Actually there is 0 proof of a laboratory test. @@tfylhk
She should fight Imane. Let's make it a fair competition
He. So it is a fight man against man and the killed the womens category.
@@silentwater79 We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
@@UA-cam越來越紅了 His Testosteron levels are higher than that of a women and if he has also XY Chromosomes, he is a man. So if he is a real women, he would have no problems proving it. And XY is male, no matter what. Even his body and face clearly show male anatomy.
Imane has male chromosomes and muscles he looks like a man. I don't know anything about lin yet
They're in different weight classes, go sit in the corner and think about why you're wearing the dunce cap.
Shame on Taiwan, shame on MKO. The worst Olympics in history
Shame on you hater
@@Marinda-o4j Yesterday, a man, Lin Yu-ting, fought against a woman, Julia Szeremeta, in boxing for the Olympic gold, and you call me a hater? Is there something wrong with your head?
@@713marcin她沒變性過。這種事情沒有被亞洲接受。可以做點功課嗎？trans compet with woman doesn’t accepted in Asia.
@@713marcinyou truly have some issues. Trans compete with woman will destroy the reputation. 亞洲沒開放變性人和女人比賽好嗎
I remember when people condemned women being hit by men
I remember when a person growing up recognized as female being respected
Lin was registered female at birth, New Taipei City Councilor Cho Kuan-ting (卓冠廷) said in a Facebook post on Wednesday. Lin’s national identification number begins with a “2,” the designation for females, while males are assigned a “1.” The number cannot be altered, according to Hsinchu City Government.
@@拖鞋莊 has that ever been the case?
@@eyescreamcake first of all; those are a bunch of made up words pal. And secondly, wow, of course men are number 1 again 🙄
@@DigBickerino "Made up words"?
Just because a woman appeared with male characteristic, such as short hair and masculine face structure DOESN'T mean that she is a man, there are interview with her coach saying that she experience period cramps while training, there is no way she isn't a woman.
In fact if we looked at videos of Lin years ago when she was in high-school, she didn't develop the muscular masculine built like the actual transgenders who have increased bone and muscle mass, giving them a very strong body through puberty. Lin is much more slender and she compensated by extra weight training.
ua-cam.com/video/G4IUdp9RV3g/v-deo.html
@@yellowlynx obviously male puberty starts late hence he didn't look like a man back then
She looks like 90% of Taiwanese men in their 20s. Most of them are skinny.
And they still knowntheyre men. They never had a menstruation, they knew early on amd decided to BOX... to beat the women that would reject them
@@florac6906 You people have arms like Reed Richards with all the reaching y'all do, I fucking swear.
When the whole world tries to bring her down, her strength proves she is a brave woman.
bot
He is a men. And not the brave one.
Man
hahaahaha brave man you mean
He is man punching women. Its not fair.
Not her
Innocent until proven guilty, in my eyes at least. There is a range between “objectively male” and “female with genetic advantages”. People tend to forget that there are 23 chromosome pairs, not one
Nah, he needs to prove himself before going to beat up other women on stage.
@@jklee5419 We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
@@UA-cam越來越紅了 Stop repeating the same bullshit.
Easy a scan to the pelvis can determine under 90° men and can't give birth above 90° usually 110° female can give birth, round pelvic inlet for female,oval for male,also testosterone level is wrong to determine gender cause you might have low testosterone when tested but you ve benefited of high testosterone lvls in puberty and gotten higher bone density ,muscle density tougher ligaments and tendons, and the advantages can't be taken back from low testosterone at one point when testing so cut the BS
@@jklee5419 Well, only IBA has question to her sexual ,IOC has not, and she attends the Olympics which is from IOC. By the way, IOC has banned IBA .And some stupid guy in comments believe IBA instead of IOC
Spero che batta Iman,non perché abbia qualcosa contro di lei,ma per dimostrare che non è imbattibile
2 categorie di peso diverse. Peroʻ sarebbe stato divertente avere 2 uomini sul ring nella boxe femminile
If only we had lived in a world where you could prove your gender with a test
@@VoornaamAchternaam-kr4vk Are you stupid, it's sarcasam
@@VoornaamAchternaam-kr4vk irony isn't your best friend, is it?
@@VoornaamAchternaam-kr4vk And their sex is male
this is the man who doesn't have a balls to fight in man's category :D
YESSS AND YOUR MOM IS MALEEE
Lin, you are the greatest of all 🎉❤
Until people experience physical differences in their own families, they will never understand physical abnormalities or differences. Ask yourself if there are any people in your family who can't bear children. Now you can understand genetic differences better. This boxer has the heart of a champion. That is the reason why she won.
Will these people with differences participate a fighting against female? Out of all the occupations in this world, you have to choose to beat up women?
He won
@claredin Well we should all be fighting for a different category. And stop messing up with female sports, it's not fair. You know what he is yourself but you continue labelling him as a woman. You should be ashamed of yourself
@claredin And he's got testosterone on his side. He's no champion!!!
@@nikkysings5844 Most female elite athletes have higher than average levels of testosterone anyway, so most of them have testosterone on their side.
If it looks, talks and walks like a fox... the probability it's a fox is huge. Forgive us for addressing the elephant in the room, but after all the scandals with male athletes destroying women records after declaring themselves women... well this went to far, and we must make sure that women sports remain fair for women.
Voice sounds like a typical Taiwanese female. The shoulders and chest are really narrow too. Not at all like a man.
Erm hem (respectful cough) i beg to disagree. Im not going with the politics but if i was presented with her as a potential ❤ after a night out. I'd consider it risky territory 😂😅 @@sindywei
@sindywei The voice definetly does NOT sound like a typical taiwanese female.
Thanks man, i needed a good laugh 😊😂❤@gregpenna9863
older Taiwanese women with a southern Taiwanese accent do sound like that. In any case it doesn’t sound like any male I’ve ever heard other than maybe guys during puberty.
Lin shows the world that no matter how the environment treats you, your inner strength and determination can still lead you to shine and succeed. That’s why, Lin, you are a champion in the hearts of every Taiwanese.
Imagine what a female athlete has to face. You need to be strong, but not too strong, or people will question your gender. You need to be talented, but not too talented, or people will claim your physical abilities are unfair to other athletes. You need to focus on the game while also navigating institutional attacks driven by political motives. Thank you, Lin, for staying strong. You stand not only for Taiwan but for everyone who faces unjust challenges and discrimination.
Yes!
Your champion is a cheater.
Whatever, he is a dude that punches women..
You would be right if she were a woman. But how do you explain the Y chromosome?
showing the world ,like father like son . girl bashing in his blood .
If only we could test IQ before the right to give an opinion...
Did you do one?
@@العربيالجديد-ن3ذ no. I didn't tested my caryotype neither so I don't know my gender.
I think she's pretty and also her voice sounds girly, im happy that she got the gold, well deserved!
Women don't have adams apples and man hands like that.
Actually women can have adam aplles to...I though like you actually but......But here not the adams apple is problem......
XY Chromosome. Women worked hard and lost to a man.
@@bellacalamidades11You should study more on human body!
@@BillPetrovasI don’t think you’ve watched the video lol
I think that’s stereotype
he even sounds like a guy
Gotta love the western mindset for letting people like this into the highest stage of sports, we're truly progressing!!!!
Women train for years drenchedn blood and sweat just to face with a man. Genuinely appaling.
yes and your mom is male
It's a shame..women have to be respected
Women have to be respected but this is a man fighting women.
@@challenger516 Nonsense! Her ID card proves that she is female! Stop spreading rumors and clarify the truth, please.
@@challenger516you can’t even tell the difference between a woman and a trans woman. She’s a biological woman😊
@@challenger516stupid
@@challenger516 We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
In boxing, especially for the Olympics and not the UFC type thing, please do not rabbit punch a person ever again. It will destroy a person's whole life in a second, and also, it will hurt you as well. The game does not worth that much stress... You are already good boxer I can tell, play smart.
Her voice is like female studs in America definitely a woman 😂😂😂
His gender is verified by scientific test such as a chromosome test only.
voice, clothing, passport etc. prove nothing.
xDD
@@celestecommunity3204 first off she’s from Taiwan second I’ve had different mandarin male tutors as well as female tutors one thing for sure is she would most definitely have an Adam’s Apple no doubt. Third you obviously have never been around masc females that purposely lower their voices that’s a woman.
I'm a 1,90m white brazilian dude and I sound sissy like that. There's no way that man is a girl
She is totally a woman. Not male😂
开了一个这样的头，以后会有更多人效仿， 看来，以后开辟一个体育项目， 让此类人(变性人)互相比赛，而不是跟女性比赛！ 奥委会已经不是一个公正的组织了！
Disclose your test results publicly. Do you have Y chromosome or not? Answer the question.
No one needs to incriminate herself. Instead, in order to prove your accusation, you must provide evidence that she has XY chromosomes. Do you?
No one owes you anything.
@@EdwardLindon He owes all the woman boxers an answer. Are all these xx women boxers fighting with a xy boxer?
@@edmondwong8739do some research yourself, they have a vagina, does that make you a man?
@@EdwardLindonIt is about the safety to other women boxers . Men's punch power is 2.6 times stronger than women .
Having XY chromosomes does not necessarily mean a person is female; in fact, some individuals are biologically female but still have XY chromosomes. Therefore, the best standard for determining the fairness of a competition should be testosterone levels, as testosterone is the factor that affects an athlete's performance, not chromosomes.
Using XY chromosomes as a criterion has indeed led to Lin Yu Ting, who was born female and raised as a female, being mistakenly perceived as male. Having XY chromosomes does not give an athlete an advantage in competition (testosterone levels do). Some people believe that banning athletes with XY chromosomes from competing is a way to protect female athletes from harm, but this has actually harmed a true female.
DSD XY can Compete in ParaOlympics
@@jaycetse2956 unlike you who cant compete in anything😢
@Mengbert you sound so foolish. Why on earth are we fighting g for biological women if XY doesn't mean you are female. Shut up!!!
I'm sorry XY mean male. And female is XX. @Mengber you are really confusing me with your way of words. I stand corrected these 2 athletes are not female!!!
@@jaycetse2956That would be disadvantage to the physically disable people, I think. Xx
Go girl!
100% a man.
💯 Dude.
Why don't you get chromosome and testosterone test then ? It is so controversial and all IOC did only was checking the passport ? Why didn't you appeal when IBA banned you from boxing?
Of course, she did the above tests, and it was the IBA that didn't allow her to appeal. What nonsense are you talking about? Where did this fake news come from?
Of course, she did the above tests, and it was the IBA that didn't allow her to appeal. What nonsense are you talking about? Where did this fake news come from?
那怎麼IBA被要求拿出測試證據過程的時候卻又推託 還前後說詞不一？
@@Leckim-f1 Lin has not once come out to reject the claim of XY chromosome results. Instead , Taiwan requested IBA not to release the report . Something very fishy here .
@@florac6906 but IOC also blame to IBA
if you let these guys compete you have to let trans do the same just a trans that didnt need surgery or maybe they had a birth.
Jesteś piekną kobietą widzialabym cię w gimnastyce artystycznej,boks to za brutalny sport dla kobiet!!!
Lin Yu Ting is a female.
The X and Y chromosomes are called “sex chromosomes” because they contribute to how a person's sex develops. Most males have XY chromosomes and most women have XX chromosomes. But there are girls and women who have XY chromosomes. This can happen, for example, when a girl has androgen insensitivity syndrome.
@Allen_Alphaz_XG well said learned Dr!!! You are defying all the other gender professionals. He is not female is intersex!!
I think Lin Yu-ting is XX with high testosterone. There's even less of a gray area there.
Si no me dicen que es mujer yo pensaría que es un hombre
Any sane person would. Even in childhood photos he looks like a boy.
Yes, and that's okay. You can always ask and be respectful
She/he totally looks like Jeremy Lin!
No she doesnt but ok cringe
I only believe in evidence, papers, testing etc. Not from mouth.
Well the papers state they are female and it's just word of mouth that claims otherwise.
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
@@valeriacaissa4552 The tests state they are male. The passport is no scientific proof of gender, only medical tests are.
@@valeriacaissa4552 She got banned from competition before, look it up.
NO evidence,NO papers,NO testing etc,Just mouth from IBA,Don't you believe it?
Those who said aboud DSD, XXY, where is your evidence? At glance, I could not tell from the face. I tried to find Lin's photo as a 13 year. Looked like a sweet young girl. I tried to find the mothers photoshop. I have tried to look for more info. I think those who only spreds rumors without tying to look fir more info is just bully.
Seriously! A lot of people don't understand basic science and don't want to bother with it.
She looks like a boy in all her photos, are you blind? She looked like one before, she looks like one now, she looks way more manly than her mother, she is way taller than her mother, she has peach fuzz, she has a deep voice, she even looks like a man in make up. How many coincidences do we have to have before we can say its not a coincidence any more?
She looked like a boy, stop lying.
@@barrelrolldog Have you even seen a lesbian, dude?
It's Asian female voice
That's an Asian boy voice. He ain't no man, he's a boy.
No, sound like every Taiwanese dude
@@challenger516 Every Taiwanese dude?? Are u sure??? My Taiwanese friend doesnt sound like her.
@@nelson5298 No? not all not all but most Taiwanese talk like women
@@nelson5298 I bet you sound like a women
台湾のニューハーフが女性を負かすことに成功したことを祝し、台湾の価値観を十分に体現している。
原來日本人也會被騙。
😂😂😂😂😂😂
She's such a cutie patootie😭
No wtf
Wtf
WHAT?! Its face makes my eyes hurt.
@@dopecat15 same
a cute unisex salmon？
The first step is hajime no ippo lol i guess ippo was a little gay for miata..?!
Lin, you shine bright like a diamond. Your resilience has inspired all of us. We stay true to ourselves and we strive for a better version of who we are.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
come on who tries to fool it dude
Stop deleting comments.
Stop posting unverified misinfo then, chuckles.
Give me back the gold medal, man!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The most painful thing was that our beautiful woman Julia was fighting with a guy
shame on Julia. Lin boxing in Asia from very young age. Trans compete with women isn’t accepted in Asia. We don’t open to this kind of things yet. Lin cut her to save time for training. And some losers bullying her hair for her looking.shame on Julia for making this kind of lie.
@@seal6037 I don't think this athlete is trans. I think she's XX with a high testosterone level. There's a difference.
Dia adalah wanita jadi jadian 😅
He should be ashamed to fight with the obvious male advantages against natural women.
STUPID
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
You should be ashamed for believing a loser’s vicious lie that make this bullying shit happen. We Asia doesn’t accept trans compete with woman athletes yet. 這種事情會讓運動員聲譽毀滅
Haters gonna hate! 😂
No, it's sure ... Two transgender people compete against women in boxing and win gold ... Of course, this has nothing to do with the physical advantages of being a man.
Nice young man
DO you know of LGBTQIA what "I" means?
Neither of the cheat boxers are I.
Iman has a micromania and XY chromosomes, Lin is XY.
Having DSD doesn't make you a "woman' a female, trans etc. It just makes you a man. And these two men know they're men and they want to beat up women.
QUEEN
Congratulations 🎉 you're amazing from Ceresco Michigan
You should be ashamed.
What a man😊
XY Chromosome = male. No periods - not a woman. Scandal. Legal action is needed. Abusing women.
Wishing you every successx
Stop deleting the comments below the video ok? I thought Taiwan has its own freedom of speech
Don’t you know that it always happens on UA-cam? My comments also disappeared countless times on other channels.
Maybe it's bc your comments were reported successfully
@@sorayamartini11 I’m pretty sure they’re are not reported. They are not about politics or any thing sensitive, just regular comments🤷
Clearly, you have never commented on UA-cam before. UA-cam often deletes comments right after you write them.
And I have the freedom to report people spreading bullshit without evidence.
Cry about it.
How many intersex people we have during this Olympics? Isn't it a bit more than just a coincidence?
I mean I feel like it kind of makes sense that if an intersex woman is indeed intersex, that those male genetics would lead them toward more physical pursuits. So yeah, while I do find the presence of two potential intersexes a bit uncanny, it also kind of makes sense that such uniquely designed humans would have some kind of 'super human' strengths and those naturally higher testosterone levels would lead them to want to fight and compete. So it's odd, but at the same time not really at all.
@@ona_tzar I agree men have "super strength" compared to women, and that's why we had different divisions for them.
@@sensuscommunis2526 Being intersex means you can also be in a woman’s body with higher levels of women’s hormones, a menstrual cycle , and all the things a female body comes along with , in addition to some presences of male hormones in higher levels etc. it’s not that simple, but simple minds will ofcourse attempt to reduce everything to a simple black and white deduction. I cannot squeeze my educated and palatial mind into a tiny hole rightnow, sorry, so I’m gonna bounce off the chat. Cheers with your likely snooze fest of a life 😴🥱
Real Tomboy
real Tomman.
male
Yeh yr mom's. male~
She is a woman 😡😡
and you , ghost
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
Haters gonna hate😂
🤮🤮🤮
My man!
I read an article that tried to say she had a “deep voice” - all the lies and fear mongering continue I guess 😢
He has XY chromosomes. The timbre of his voice is irrelevant.
Bro, this is a fking joke. Clearly he's masking his male voice. The world is done for.
you are pitiful😂
lol ok sore loser
His voice cracks when he tries to go higher, but the male voice comes out when he's laughing.
So women are not allowed to have lower voices ?
Go watch IBA 's conference ,they can't provide any proof,Lin Yu Ting is the victim too.
Taiwan can't use Taiwan as a name to compete Olympics,how can Taiwan force IBA to not reveal the report.
She looks handsome doesnt means she is a man.
省流：XY染色体，男的
Lin Yu-ting = GIRL POWER
Supporting you from Germany! Stay the way who you are! 😊
Comment section is full of people who can only think in black and white instead of accepting individual differences - human beings are more than gender stereotypes 🙄
On the next olympic we also send mens to womens sports. And that is end of all women sports. Great job!
that's hilarious that most people in comment didn't know the whole truth, she is born a female,growing as a female
BBC Sport News
Aug 5 2024
‘IBA holds chaotic news conference on Olympic boxing row’
…
‘The IBA said the tests were sent to two different laboratories that are accredited by the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada).
However, Wada has told BBC Sport it does not oversee gender tests and its work only relates to anti-doping matters.’
It looks like IBA lied about the tests.
WTF
Oh My! How dare any woman admit they are not equal to men.
Both fighters are the same weight so quit crying about how "unfair" it is.
It's about the rules and equal rights for all women. We are dealing with ANOMALIES that are not adapted to the average level of the average woman. A few more examples. For example, a giant measuring 3 meters high will have very long legs and will always win every race. How many such giants live in the world? There will definitely be a few people. That's what the games are for, to check what the level of human evolution is. They show records for the average of the entire population in the world. In the case of boxing and strong "male" punches, these rules are broken. It's simply unfair. Sports are compromised today. Pierre de Coubertin would be very worried 😒
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
A wise WOMAN. Good luck! Make Taiwan proud.
W🥚Man
THATS A MAN...AND A VERY U666LY AT THAT
Men
I'm so happy that she won! I'm from Poland, but what the Szeremeta did on her Instagram was disgusting. So, I'm with Lin ❤ She deserve gold. She has greate physic and mental strenght. She is a inspiration for other women.
Female with Adam's apple 🤔🤔🤔🤔
You know both men and women have Adam’s apple, right?
@@liliumformosanum1316 of course in Thailand
Sandra Bullock has adams apple too, have you ever doubted that she is a man?😂
@@liliumformosanum1316they dont know. they probably didnt get a proper education.
Miley Cyrus has that when she leaned her head back in photo
GET THAT MEDAL QUEEN
*king
@@tobiasobermayr501 She was born with a uterus.
@@stonegray1So if he is a women he should have no problems to prove it with a DNA test. If he has XY Chromosomes, he is a man and not able to give birth to a child.
@@tobiasobermayr501 Lin Yu-Ting was born female and has complied with all applicable medical regulations set by the Paris 2024 Boxing Unit. There is an astounding amount of evidence (her social security number, pictures from her childhood, gender checks from various boxing competitions) that proves Lin Yu-Ting is a biological female.
@@silentwater79 We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
She is a very talented and brave athlete. Looking forward to her final match against Imanei Khalif.
Shes not going to fight Imane... they are in different weight categories
@@AnimeeARTs thanks for sharing information. I thought they would compete in the final.
He fights with Polish boxer
He fights with a polish female boxer
@@michuMm-h8x cry more, and keep on spreading fake information.
tbh that voice is very feminine
Nice Adam's apple
You know both men and women have Adam’s apple, right?
The education failed you if you determine sex based on that😂
I think a new branch of boxing should be opened for transgender people
Fair, but Yu-Ting is not transgender. She's a cisgender woman, born AFAB.
Even if she was born XY, with CAIS or DSD, she would still be a woman because she would have been assigned female at birth.
Two individuals build like men.. bigger frame , denser bone structure.. its not fair
You are incredible Yu-ting!
She is the prettiest woman in Taiwan! All Taiwan guys want to have a wife like her. She will have her baby in the future! Just wait and watch!
一时间分不清是反串还是愚蠢😂😂😂
Congratulations to this amazing female boxer 🎉 much love from DZ ,
Che7 to the hypocrite West
Lamusie i babski bokserze, niszczysz marzenia kobiet i ich ciężką pracę w swoje osiągnięcia!!!
Wypad walczyć z facetami !!!!
this is man not a woman
...Shame China , shame France
Taiwan.
scandal, he is not a woman
I think your mom is a boy
I think your mom is a boy
speak like you are a obstetrician? I can claim that you are not homo sapiens too :) without any medical evidence.
Lin Yu-Ting, You have to have balls to beat Julia fairly
how do people justify him being a female? c'mon look at him and listen to him. That is crazy he's in the finals despite having a XY karyotype.
It's a man, and most Taiwanese boy sound like a girl lol
We all know by know the IBA made unsubstantiated claims. And if you don't substantiate a claim, the claim is worthless and highly likely just a lie. So why are you repeating lies?
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
@@valeriacaissa4552 so if it is wrong, it should be easy for him to prove the opposite.
@@silentwater79 That's not how it works. If you make a claim, you have to prove said claim. It's not on others to prove the opposite. It's 2024, i actually thought by that time people know how this stuff works. But no we still have this "proving the opposite" thing.
Khelif beats lin tu ying
No shit. Khelif is in a heavier weight class than Lin.
XY chromosome
Loser 😂
How did you proof it? Are you her inspector 😂
@@jessiejessiesayit IBA refused to disclose it, it's a dude.
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.
Serially triggered crybully
Damski bokser. Ja bym się wstydził bić z kobietami . I nikt mi nie wmówi,że to jest kobieta
Shame on daiwan
好啦韭菜 人礦 裝什麼B
Where is daiwan? Learn English first
We are not blindly supporting her we’re looking for a lot of evidence to support her gender, even scientists says that XY chromosome is not only standard for gender, even DSD have no scientific proof that she have any difference with normal females , science shows that we can only measure athlete’s Testosterone levels to ensure the game is fair, and that is exactly what I.O.C do.
If you guys really wanna talk about those little details then we should talk about every single differences between everyone, and we should just fight mirrors.