Finding and fixing hum

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  • @geddylee501
    @geddylee501 Рік тому +14

    I've got tinnitus, there's nothing that gets rid of this hum

    • @keisaboru1155
      @keisaboru1155 6 днів тому

      you can revert the frequency and delete it ;D

  • @gtrguyinaz
    @gtrguyinaz Рік тому +3

    Paul… wonderful info. Great to have you helping..

  • @Chiroman527
    @Chiroman527 Рік тому +1

    Paul. as always, great information. Only true experinence shines through!! You may have Snow On The Roof, but it's that Snow that Melts into Knowledge. As an attestment to the Source creating HUM info, a quick personal Stereo story: NAD 1300 Preamp, NAD 2600 AMP, Dual 5000 CS TT and a pair of KEF 104/2 Tower speakers all purchased in 1987. Played beautifully then and Still Today. A few years ago after not playing my Vinyl LPs for awhile, I heard a very loud HUM. Checked and saw that from moving the cabinet, the Ground wire form the TT was disconnectd to the NAD Preamp. That helped initially, but after playing for awhile - it returned. I then gounded the TT ground wire to the electrical outlet - no improvement. Brought the NAD to a repair shop. he replaces and show me , burnt out diodes, a number of them. After bringing it home, after playing for awhile - TT only- the HUM returns. Return it the repair shop, where he keeps it for a week running constantly hooked up to TT he had in the shop. Replaced a few more burned out diodes, as he shows me the old parts. Bring it home and the same thing. I start fooling with all the Connectiions.....Bingo a bad RCA cable connection form the Dual TT to the input on the NAD Preamp. Googelm it, and it turns out the RCA cable is fixed and attached direcly form the Tonearm of the Dual and it's a common problem !! I didn't replace the RCA cable,but purchased an RCA extender (2 female and 2 male connections), fastened the new cable securely to the existing RCA cable form the TT and attchaed to the NAD - the HUM is gone. It was simply a faulty RCA cable attachment Plug on the TT. It is a Process of elimination as Paul describes. In the midst of this, a curious thing is that I purchased a separate NAD P4 Phone Preamp, and when attaching the TT RCA cables to that Phono Premap, there was no HUM. It could be that the faulty RCA cable did actually contribute to burning some diodes. BTW, the Audio repair shop was terrific in that he only charged me $100 with 2 Bring Backs !!

  • @burner8959
    @burner8959 Рік тому +10

    Literally turned my amp on today, heard the hum and it was enough for me to think I should o something about this. Looked up a few videos on UA-cam and here 20 mins later is one from Paul on the same subject. The Universe is really weird sometimes.

  • @leamers100
    @leamers100 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much for talking about the sources!! I was losing my mind thinking my receiver wasn’t working but turns out it was just comcasts crappy cable box deciding to change grounds or otherwise inject my system with a hum. Cheers!

  • @senact3040
    @senact3040 Рік тому +5

    I agree with Paul here on everything except the outlet not being the issue. I had a "buzz" coming from the tweeters on my LR mains, I had tried everything suggested here and some other ideas I had read about. I had determined the buzz was amplified by some of the programmable light switches in my house, if the lights were on, the buzz got louder and could only be heard if my XLR cables were connected to the amp. Very long story short (months of troubleshooting lol), it wasn't until I ran an isolated ground receptacle that I was able to eliminate the noise from the tweeters. The outlet was from PSAudio, powerport I think it was called. Just something else to consider as you are troubleshooting. Good luck

  • @wezzman1
    @wezzman1 Рік тому +6

    Absolutely brilliant advice....👍🏽

  • @electropanel1211
    @electropanel1211 Місяць тому

    Process of elimination always works so this video is like practically a common sense solution that we always overlook.👍

  • @infinite1der
    @infinite1der Рік тому +1

    Love seeing Mr. Meseeks in the shop!

  • @shysonofficial
    @shysonofficial Рік тому

    Thank you so much, simple clear solid advice!

  • @bingdong8571
    @bingdong8571 Рік тому +1

    This is a good one because if u step back for a minute and just think how much money is spent on trying to eliminate this unimportant little noise

  • @edwardradesky369
    @edwardradesky369 Місяць тому

    Hello Paul, thank you for taking the time to address this HORRIBLE situation !! So START from SCRATCH..........GOT IT !! Just kidding ;)

  • @Zanthum
    @Zanthum Рік тому +6

    Important distinction: nothing connected including the antenna that is the cables on either end. Induced voltage in cables is a possible source for hum. They can pickup emi from other air gapped and unrelated devices by acting as an antenna.

    • @Animal_lives_matter
      @Animal_lives_matter Рік тому

      That's precisely what I have. I suspect it's the inline 3.5mm metal female to female adapter since moving it +/- 10cm from surrounding power cables induces the hum.

  • @louissilvani1389
    @louissilvani1389 Рік тому

    Great video thanks

  • @graxjpg
    @graxjpg Рік тому +5

    If your amp hums, it forgot the words.

  • @rachmatmaulana8310
    @rachmatmaulana8310 Рік тому +2

    Great explanation...
    but i still love hear little hiss in my system, like play cassette in pass ;)

  • @kentmeridian1
    @kentmeridian1 Рік тому +2

    This is a perfectly timed video for me. I currently have a thread going on the ps audio forum. I’m trying to track down a hum. This helps, and I will look up the other info on the site that Paul referenced!

  • @magoostus
    @magoostus Рік тому

    the good news is that all hums and buzzes can be *fixed* in the analog domain 100% of the time and long as the equipment isnt broken. there is always hope

  • @SkiB84
    @SkiB84 Рік тому +2

    haha "I doubt that's coming thru your tweeter, but we'll talk about that later."

  • @FernandoGoias81
    @FernandoGoias81 Рік тому

    I live in an apartment that has no grounding. My system is also not grounded. I only use a line filter on the amps. The power cable runs alongside the audio cables, but these cables are shielded. Even so, the speakers are absolutely silent at any volume.

  • @brentarmstrong9660
    @brentarmstrong9660 Рік тому

    I've noticed that all amplifiers regardless of its purpose or power source produce some level of white noise if you look hard enough. If it has a volume control turn it all the way up, you will hear something.

  • @pmpgonzalez
    @pmpgonzalez Рік тому

    Hi Paul. Thanks for this. Actually, I have a hum coming from my Pro Ject RPM4 turntable. I’m using Audioquest cables on my system to reduce noise (the phono cable is a Yosemite 72v DBS and the hum persists… Any ideas? Should I take my turntable to the “doctor”?

  • @stimpy1226
    @stimpy1226 Рік тому +5

    The only time you should hear either hum or buzz is at very high volume, more specifically from your phono preamp. My system is dead silent except when I experiment and turn the volume on my phono preamp above 95 DB. I think that’s pretty damn good.

    • @ahuesphoto
      @ahuesphoto Рік тому +1

      I agree, if the noise is only audible at very high volumes it is not a problem. This happens with one of my amplifiers after I changed the power supply with a more powerful (high current) PSU, but the new power supply improved the dynamics of the music considerably, although if I move the volume nob after 1 o’clock there is some audible noise. That amplifier is part of my office system and it is plenty loud at the 12 o’clock volume, so, it is not a problem.

    • @thomaskandersen7250
      @thomaskandersen7250 Рік тому

      Something simulair here, with my Lehmann Black Cube SE II ref, connected to my Rega P8 Apheta II combo. But only when cranced all the way up to 11 😛
      ✌️❤️🇩🇰

  • @lonniefarmer7067
    @lonniefarmer7067 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @ahuesphoto
    @ahuesphoto Рік тому +2

    Thank you for the great advice! As always! In my experience, a common source of noise is having a Wi-Fi Router connected in the same or adjacent power outlet on the wall, even if you are using a voltage regulator; just move the router to a different outlet on a different wall, in my personal experience it doesn’t have to be on a different circuit breaker. I used to have a Furman PST 8D (Advanced Level Power Conditioning) that could handle the noise but it stopped working after less than a year, now I use “quality voltage regulators” from reputable brands with my stereo systems. Also voltage regulators for medical equipment are better than the ones for office or regular computer use; and they are not as expensive as audiophile gear.

    • @mr.blackhawk142
      @mr.blackhawk142 Рік тому

      WHY do use wi-fi? EMFs are HARMFUL to living things! (plants, animals, birds, bees, and....humans!)

    • @VideoArchiveGuy
      @VideoArchiveGuy Рік тому

      Furman is one of the most reputable brands in the power industry.

    • @ahuesphoto
      @ahuesphoto Рік тому

      @@VideoArchiveGuy I know, and I agree with you. I just posted my personal experience, and I’m not criticizing a particular brand. Nowadays I am using AVRs with my audio equipment, and it works well, this is just my personal experience.

    • @ahuesphoto
      @ahuesphoto Рік тому

      @@VideoArchiveGuy the brands I’m currently using are Tripp Lite and APC, they are good, maybe not as nice as Furman. But they have being working very well for protecting my audio equipment for the last 15 years.

    • @ahuesphoto
      @ahuesphoto Рік тому

      @@mr.blackhawk142 It is impossible not to use Wi-Fi at my office, it’s a matter of necessity and a convenience. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are low intensity radio signals, and you can fine tune the power of the radio transmitters if you have advanced routers. It may not be ideal, but it’s part of modern life…

  • @spacemissing
    @spacemissing Рік тому +2

    Yes, you can hear noise of some sort if you listen Right At The Speaker,
    but that doesn't matter because it isn't how you listen to music.
    If you can't hear the same sound from your normal listening position, Forget About It.

  • @slpbirdy00
    @slpbirdy00 Рік тому +2

    Have you tried turning it off and back on again.

  • @dans550
    @dans550 Рік тому +7

    I had hum in a subwoofer, turned out to be a dimmer switch on the same circuit, goodbye dimmer switch

    • @kaedeschulz5422
      @kaedeschulz5422 Рік тому

      An amp with a ground loop switch would probably also help a LOT!

  • @subliminalvibes
    @subliminalvibes Рік тому +1

    I've had a handful of people ask me the same question and in each and every case it was caused by stray frayed speaker wire.

  • @alex32009
    @alex32009 Рік тому

    I had a buzz/hum in my P12 for so long it happened to be caused by a table lamp on a seperate circuit. Does that mean noise is getting back in by the common ground?

  • @ohjoy40
    @ohjoy40 Рік тому +1

    Oh lord. There are a few different reasons you can have hum or buzz, not just from equipment it self. Yes sometimes equipment or tubes can introduce hum, but the bigger issue is ground loops. This is caused by two or more components plugged into different phases of a AC line and sharing a common ground. All most all homes have 220v line coming into your main panel and then is split on each side of the panel providing 115 v to each side. The thing is each side of the 115v side are 180 degrees out of phase with one another. Soooo if you have two or more components plugged into different phases and sharing a common ground you will get a ground loop. So make sure that all components are plugged into the same phase or on low voltages sources I suggest lifting grounds. I have lifted grounds all the time and never heard of an issue, but if your uncomfortable with that then just make sure they are all on the same phase. The other things that can cause hum or buzz is dimmer switches, refrigerators or other appliances on the same circuit.

  • @soulshinobi
    @soulshinobi Рік тому +3

    "Stop, don't even talk to me." oh damn, Paul mad 😂

  • @skipgordon5382
    @skipgordon5382 Рік тому

    I have lived in Vietnam for 10 years. One of the surprising things about being here is that the residential power system is only two wires. No grounding for the house. I built a home here 5 years ago and added grounding. Not sure it helps but it should not hurt either. I have never had hum in Vietnam either renting our in my new residence.

  • @Metalhead-4life
    @Metalhead-4life Місяць тому

    My Klipsch THX ULTRAII external Sub amp is dying I believe.
    It sometimes makes a Very Loud sqealing sound through both Subs. If I cycle power on it I get No output & No spealing. Cycle power again and output & loud squealing comes back.
    Also the same thing sometimes occurs when I unplug & replug the sub out cable from the reciever. I dont have another reciever to test it with but Ive tried several sub cables w/ the same result.
    Wish I had experience fixing amps, too broke to send it in for repair at the moment. btw it just started doing this after years of being in the same room w/ the same equipment.
    Any Thoughts?

  • @rawux1228
    @rawux1228 Рік тому +3

    60hz hum is usually caused by ground loop (simply to say there is two or more ground paths coming into the same device). Lets say you powering your amp and preamp with same 24V AC power supplly. So you connect +24 and ground (-) to preamp and amp then you connect an amp and a preamp with an aux cable together so that aux cable (3 wires) shares ground between an amp and a preamp (L-GND-R), so this becomes a loop as ground (-) comes from power supply to a preamp then into an amp through an aux cable and returns from an amp into a power supply. Here comes a voltage difference because of different resistance between the two paths witch causes hum. To solve that problem you should try to:
    1) Remove unneeded ground paths.
    2) Ground all devices to one point (star-ground)
    3) Use shields
    4) Use ground isolating transformers
    5) Connect all your audio equipment to same AC socket (audio source too)

    • @kentmeridian1
      @kentmeridian1 Рік тому

      What are shields?

    • @razisn
      @razisn Рік тому

      Before doing all that, just use XLR connections between analogue devices if possible and use optical,or galvanically isolated electrical connections for digital.

    • @bobnot24
      @bobnot24 Рік тому

      Or DC buildup on toroidal.

    • @rawux1228
      @rawux1228 Рік тому

      @@kentmeridian1 Usually a big sheet of metal (amp case, plate, ect.) used for ground and foil or metal mesh wrapped around signal wires.
      "EM shielding (electromagnetic shielding) is the practice of surrounding electronics and cables with conductive or magnetic materials to guard against incoming or outgoing emissions of electromagnetic frequencies (EMF). "

    • @rawux1228
      @rawux1228 Рік тому

      @@bobnot24 Or bad AC to DC filter

  • @mat.b.
    @mat.b. Рік тому

    i have a similar problem, system so revealing it picks up noise.....static? EMI? It also picks up hum from another unit but that depends if the AC is on. No idea how to diagnose what in the pre-amp is picking up the noise, everyone just says its a design flaw and to accept it.

  • @chrisgoodson9312
    @chrisgoodson9312 Рік тому

    Like Paul I just wouldn't worry about inaudible (from the listening position) hum. Far more important in any Audio system is avoiding Ho-Hum

  • @davidhalliday7776
    @davidhalliday7776 8 місяців тому

    I have a doozie. My 4 channel Linn C4200 is 2 x 2 channel boards in a box (4 channels total). If i use one channel from each board i get a slight hum. If i use both channels on the same board no hum no matter which board I use. Yes tried it with only the pre amp connected (in fact 2 different pre's and even without the pre plugged in to the mains (thinking ground loop) and it still hums. Right now as I only use single wire I just use one board so no hum but still bugs me.

  • @damnedseagull6194
    @damnedseagull6194 Рік тому +1

    Hi. I’ve followed your instructions and hum appeared when I connected my pre amp to the power amp with two different interconnects between pre and power amp. What’s your advice please. Thanks.

    • @JJ-no2ob
      @JJ-no2ob Рік тому +1

      Have you/ can you try using xlr interconnect cables between your pre & power amp? That worked for me.

  • @keithsworld137
    @keithsworld137 3 місяці тому

    Hi picked up a pyle blue tooth amp so i can use my phone and computer .when my computer is connected i hear a buzz sound when disconnected its gone.any fix for this

  • @the_dude182
    @the_dude182 Рік тому +3

    I currently live in an appartment that has no grounded wall sockets. Oh the sweet hum. Doesnt matter because it's all about the music (L)

    • @Roof_Pizza
      @Roof_Pizza Рік тому +2

      I'd imagine it's more common in apartment buildings.

  • @petie40
    @petie40 6 місяців тому

    After using the process of elimination the problem is my turntable transformer. The turntable has on off switch which doesn't effect the signal from the needle or the external phono amp. The volume on the power amp and phono amp can be turned all the way up with no sound at all but when tuning on the turntable then the hum (60hz) is very loud and causes feedback in needle but only at near max volumes which is never used. The humming gets louder as the tone arm is moved closer to the center near the motor or transformer, the corner where the belt for turntable is attached. This turntable was around one or two hundred dollars on Amazon and must have poorly insulated transformer, and also the turntable has no ground terminal. The cartridge is a moving coil "Grado" cartridge. Can the transformer be fixed or grounded somehow? Can the transformer be shielded so not to be so noisy?

  • @birgerolovsson5203
    @birgerolovsson5203 Рік тому

    The transformer in my PS15 hums wildly.

  • @englishrogue2649
    @englishrogue2649 Рік тому +1

    what if the hum isn't coming through the speakers, but is originating from a toroidal transformer inside a piece of equipment. naim audio puts out equipment that routinely does this

  • @davidnguyen5028
    @davidnguyen5028 Рік тому

    Hi Paul, I’m a subscriber. My class A amp, (adcom gfa5802) just recently developed a slight buzzing hum on the left channel. Do you think the filter capacitors for the left channel are bad? I checked the DC voltage at the speaker terminals and they’re at 0.025V, so I think the coupling capacitors are fine. Or do you think it’s something else? Thanks in advance.

    • @Paulmcgowanpsaudio
      @Paulmcgowanpsaudio  Рік тому +1

      Hi David. Before you start thinking about the filter caps etc. in the amp, check where the source of the buzz is. For example, disconnect both left and right inputs to the power amp and see if the buzz is still there. If it goes away, it's more upstream than in the amp. If it remains, then it might be worth looking inside the amp.

  • @cachelesssociety5187
    @cachelesssociety5187 10 місяців тому

    I have 2 tannoy studio monitors connected to my small mixer, to my RME Fireface 400 soundcard which is connected by firewire to my pc. The power to the computer was suddenly interrupted even though connected to a battery backup. (Landlord has bad insulation and does his own "work".) Now I can't turn the left speaker on (5 inch woofers) without a very, very loud hum (woofer slamming at about 120 hz or so. I turned off the mixer, disconnected the audio - and also tried switching from one power outlet to the other, nothing has worked. The volume doesn't change even when the volume is off and it's not connected to any audio source. (If I leave the audio connected to the audio source and disconnect the power to the speaker it stops. ) Something like this happened to me with a half rack digital guitar amp once - the resonance (or whatever) seemed to have been coming from the internals - like some kind of capacitance build up and discharging - I left the unit off for several hours and it resolved. It's been an hour & he hum may have reduced in volume, but not much. Any ideas?

  • @honeyken316
    @honeyken316 Рік тому

    A long time in the business! "You can't be around the stable very long before you get some on your shoes."

  • @bbrotherton6345
    @bbrotherton6345 Рік тому

    Ground loop?

  • @Justin-yk3ox
    @Justin-yk3ox Місяць тому

    I've got this issue. Interestingly, only noise when rcas connected. Even if they are connected to the amp, and not to the preamp. Almost like they are an antenna. Tried multiple rcas with same result. Tried the buzz x device as well. Nothing works.

  • @TheBinaryWolf
    @TheBinaryWolf 2 місяці тому

    I disconnected the ground wire to the chassis inside my amp, cleaned the surfaces then reconnected the wire. I also soldered the nut and lug to the chassis. The hum totally disappeared.

  • @ThinkingBetter
    @ThinkingBetter Рік тому

    What happened with the tweeter making hum? Well, one thing about hum at 50 or 60Hz is that it’s hard to hear where it comes from as audio at such frequency really can’t easily be located by hearing. Usually it comes from a woofer or subwoofer.

    • @Roof_Pizza
      @Roof_Pizza Рік тому

      I had a subwoofer amp fail and it only popped every once in awhile. I swear it took a few months to even figure out that it was in the room as it sounded like it was outside the window.

  • @buildflow
    @buildflow Рік тому

    Octave records… BUT HOW CAN IT BE PLAYED ON MY HOME STEREO??? My streamer is a Sony HAP-Z1ES going into Krell preamplifier, will your highest dsd play on my system?

  • @tobiasluke7
    @tobiasluke7 Рік тому

    lol *follow the frickin instuctions to the letter...*... gold.

  • @raulgutierrez6415
    @raulgutierrez6415 Рік тому

    Ok I have hum threw my center, I have 3 separate breakers. I have a hum coming there without my speaker even not connected to any amplifier!! Center is right under my 83 lg oled.

  • @artyfhartie2269
    @artyfhartie2269 Рік тому

    More likely a ground wire has come loose somewhere or some unit needs grounding.

  • @s18018
    @s18018 Рік тому +1

    My subwoofer (connected by LFE rca) used to hum like crazy. When I disconnected wired ethernet to my "system" and went full wifi, it largely went away.

    • @anmic3590
      @anmic3590 9 місяців тому

      Hi! I do have a similar situation. I just got a svs sb-1000 pro subwoofer, connected through speakers level (vintage pioneer c-73 power amp with no sub out) and I got a hum in the sub when everything is turned off. Once I turn on the power amp and the pre-amp (m-73) the hum is gone. What I did notice is that if I take out the ethernet cable from the node x streamer/dac, the humming is almost gone. Still can’t figure it out. The ethernet socket in the wall is close to the power socket. But I’m a cable guy to say so and I’d like to have full sound quality if possible.

    • @SteveGarrett1
      @SteveGarrett1 7 місяців тому

      Unplug your audio source and your ethernet cable. See if you still have hum. If not work your way back.

  • @NickP333
    @NickP333 Рік тому

    Haha 😂 “Well, did ya disconnect the sources? Stop! Don’t even talk to me…” - Paul McGowan 2022

  • @kaedeschulz5422
    @kaedeschulz5422 Рік тому +1

    Fixing hum? Easy. Get pro audio gear with XLR and ground loop switch as modern hifi should have too at this point and be done with it.

  • @Davidkxf
    @Davidkxf Рік тому

    I had a hum on my system recently, took pre-amp and power amp for a service, and even a small mod on the power supply to the pre-amp. Also had the interconnects re-terminated with special solder. Turned out to be RCA's to the two subs on the second line out of the pre-amp, as soon as I disconnected these RCA'a it went quiet again. Did not help to just switch the subs off. So now no subs till I figure something out.

    • @mikepxg6406
      @mikepxg6406 Рік тому +1

      “special solder” as long as the solder joint is well made the type of solder will not make any difference.

    • @davidherr6793
      @davidherr6793 Рік тому

      @Douglas Blake It has given me the opertunity to get my old Isobaric passive subs out and play with them again. So far so good, no hum at all, and to be fair they are a better match for my Maggies anyway.

    • @davidherr6793
      @davidherr6793 Рік тому

      @@mikepxg6406 I don't know, that's what the tech said.

    • @davidherr6793
      @davidherr6793 Рік тому

      @Douglas Blake No I like this guy, I'm sure something lost in translation. I tried to do it myself but couldn't get the solder to flow.

    • @davidherr6793
      @davidherr6793 Рік тому

      I'll tell him you said so and then duck, he is a big boy 🤣

  • @jasonkillsformomy
    @jasonkillsformomy Рік тому

    Finding and fixing humbug.

  • @KlaweKlapki
    @KlaweKlapki Рік тому

    In Tweeter its switching power supply

  • @bikdav
    @bikdav Рік тому +2

    I’ve found that there is no such thing as a “perfectly silent” system as far as hum and hiss is concerned. The only thing that can be done is to keep them at bay when listening from your seat.

    • @stimpy1226
      @stimpy1226 Рік тому +2

      If you have set up your system correctly the only time you may hear hum or buzz is at ultra high volume. On my system the only time I hear hum is from my phono preamp when the volume is above 95 dB and I think that’s pretty damn good.

    • @bikdav
      @bikdav Рік тому +1

      @@stimpy1226 Yea, that’s a good point.

    • @georgemoraleswork
      @georgemoraleswork Рік тому

      My system is dead silent at 0% and 100% volume levels
      It did have some hum but I found a defective rca cable

  • @RandomVids519
    @RandomVids519 Рік тому

    Running two subs one hums amp is few months old

    • @totalplonker824
      @totalplonker824 7 місяців тому

      Run everything off the same wall outlet. If need be get an extension lead

  • @sirsmarty274
    @sirsmarty274 Рік тому +1

    Look, I have fixed this problem that was plaguing my system bad. I discovered by eliminating the earth ground on all my cables, by modding my cable's the hum and hiss has COMPLETELY disappeared. I simply opened up the ends of the cable plugs and added the earth ground wire to the live hot on BOTH ENDS!!! (adding AWG to the live wire) and i have never since had any issues with hum or any kind of noise. There are 1800 watt heaters putting out red hot heat that dont even have an earth ground so why would a stereo system putting out far less amps and watts have them at all? They are not necessary. Some foks wont be able to open the cable ends, this is best done on homemade aftermarket cables . This method is virtually 100% guaranteed to eliminate all noise in your system, i have never had any issues after this mod and ive been doing this for the last 15 or more years.

    • @razisn
      @razisn Рік тому +1

      Now you should just wait got the moment a device which had to be grounded but is not malfunctions and shorts internally, current is carried to the chassis and you get fried when trying to operate it.

    • @user-od9iz9cv1w
      @user-od9iz9cv1w Рік тому

      That is fine until you electrocute yourself. If a component fails inside a device and the chassis goes hot, it is dangerous. That is why safety ground was created. It is for safety. Typically if a device has no third prong, it is in an insulated chassis. Perhaps your heaters do not have exposed metal chassis. Or perhaps they are just not up to today's electrical code and should be disposed of.

  • @thomaskandersen7250
    @thomaskandersen7250 Рік тому

    U will never have a completly silent set-up. If u turn that volume max Up, u will always hear some "noise". No matter how much ground, cable lay out and so forth. It is the nature of current and electricity. I have never heard a total silent set-up, when u do that "test".
    Don't get me wrong, me myself have spend a good amount of securing ground, with a Gigawatt PF-2, with 6 sockets. It's a power filter.
    I have decent cables, like from Chord, Audioquest and Lavardin for my Lavardin amps. So iv'e tried many things, thought i could remove ALL noise, but i don't think it's possible and one should focus on the music 🎧
    I do now ✌️
    Also keep in mind that, there is a big different between hum and hiss, and other terms used in this category.
    Put your best track on, turn the volume up for pleasent listening, in that favorit listening chair of yours 😊
    🥁🎚️🎧
    ✌️❤️🇩🇰

  • @totalplonker824
    @totalplonker824 7 місяців тому

    Maybe I'm a little sensitive to unwanted background noise! But it's taken me years of trial and error to get rid of all my noise (noise floor) or should I say cable interference noise. From my listening position, I don't pick up on any noise anymore. Just to make it clear. Nothing to do with grounding / distortion or any kind hiss or buzz. What I'm referring to is the sound of the room! In fact, I would imagine the vast majority of HT owners are probably not even aware of the faint background signal noise, and that's ok. And there are probably a few who are aware of it, and yet it doesn't bother them, and that's ok too. But for me, getting rid of the background signal noise has been a journey within itself. After all, it's not as if one can pinpoint where the noise is coming from. It's almost as if there's a faint electrical current sound buzzing around the room. (Poor description)
    Even after I auditioned three separate mid-priced AVR's, the same unwanted noise was still present. It was only after I changed my cables for a third time. My noise floor came down to such a level, my sensitivities we're finally satisfied.
    I'm running an arcam avr20 with a couple of matching high-performance 4 channel power amps (front stage/Atmos) which are driving my Sonus Faber speakers in a 5.2.4 configuration, which also includes a stereo pair of Rel subwoofers for my 4 × 3.5m (13 × 11.5ft) livingroom. I have to say it was only when I purchased quality shielded speaker & RCA cables. The room became exceptionally quiet!
    My room is now so quiet their are occasions without opening my eyes, I'm actually unable to differentiate whether the system is switched off or if it's switched on. The room is really that quiet.
    If one is looking to get rid of that so-called ambient sound of the room. IMO, shielded cables are the only way to go. And btw they don't necessarily have to be expensive. Bear in mind this is coming from someone who's changed his setup and cables multiple times.
    It was annoying at times, but hey, isn't that part of the journey 😁

  • @tonyvtc3
    @tonyvtc3 8 місяців тому

    Exactly, what I did. Disconnect everything !
    Now amp and speakers only power up NO HUM! Proceeded to add the dbx 2X15 EQ and then the 60 Hz came in, stopping there to find out why the EQ has hum.

  • @BruceCross
    @BruceCross Рік тому

    Ha, "follow the frickin' instructions."

  • @HiFiInsider
    @HiFiInsider Рік тому

    bad audio cable(s) is my guess.

    • @mikepxg6406
      @mikepxg6406 Рік тому

      Unlikely. Ground loops are normally caused by hardware design or power supply failure. If you get an open circuit on a RCA the noise will be very noticeable and the signal will decrease almost to nothing. Try inserting a cable with everything turned on and listen as the RCA signal pin makes contact before the ground. You will know what i mean 😵‍💫

  • @knuterockknee
    @knuterockknee Рік тому

    I am getting my Humm from satellite coax

  • @milkman100001
    @milkman100001 Рік тому

    this vid is all about my new 300's. small hum. probably caused by my speaker cables. i didnt have any interconnect connected before i switched on. its looking like ive crossed the terminal's..! just got my email from kev to try new fuses. looks like my brand new 300 may be going away for fixing..! 1 very sad person here..

  • @paulstubbs7678
    @paulstubbs7678 Рік тому

    Hum, yeah. Sometimes you just end up with two bits of gear that just don't like being together, both fine In your system without the other, but when brought together, nothing but trouble.
    Quite often involving how they are earthed.
    Connecting some laptop's (with power brick attached) to a system can induce so much hash it's not funny, even connecting them to supposedly pro mixing desks brings in heaps of trouble. Usually there being a truck-load of common mode crud on the outputs.
    Tell the owner, they look perplexed, they connect their headphones, nothing, it must be your 100K sound system.

  • @atzeotze2256
    @atzeotze2256 Рік тому

    We call a bumblebee in german Hummel…
    Do you have a Hummel in your system ?

  • @RamoLasiaf
    @RamoLasiaf Рік тому +1

    Hummm..
    I just use good old batteries.
    No humming. Well only humming birds in the speakers humming now.
    Hmmm... Class d 🤷‍♂️

  • @wilcalint
    @wilcalint Рік тому

    I think Paul does an excellent job here trouble shooting sources of "Hum". And I agree with him that it can be a difficult thing to define and mitigate.
    Definition of "Hum": Generally defines a 60Hz low level presentation of sound at the speakers. The amount of Hum may, or may not, increase or decrease with volume level setting. Sources can be found in power supplies, failing circuits like old power supply caps.
    "Hum" many times is caused by an AC power feed "Ground Loop":
    Ground loop (electricity)
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)
    These can be especially difficult to find and remedy.
    If you've gotten this far:
    I share a source of HUM that was very difficult for me to find and resolve. The Hum only came when the arm/cartridge of the turntable was placed on the record surface. Lift the arm off the record surface the hum stopped. Put it back on and the hum returned. The turntable was well insulated for mechanical vibrations and the floor was a cement slab. Ultimately I found that it was a mechanical vibration created by a nearby electric power company power transformer. That was at least 50 meters away. But if you stood next to it you could clearly hear that it was vibrating and putting 60Hz mechanical vibrations into everything around it.
    Even more exotic turntable isolation minimized the problem. But didn't fully get rid of it.

  • @imkow
    @imkow Рік тому

    my diy class-B amp hums like a fridge...

  • @biketech60
    @biketech60 Рік тому +2

    A useful , though costly , addition is to plug every piece of gear into a balanced AC power supply . Eliminates power supply hum , rejects common mode noise & dramatically lowers the noise floor .
    It is CRUCIAL to follow instructions that no piece of gear be plugged into any other source of power . No power "conditioner" will do what a BPS does .. I bought Equitech Q 1.5

    • @cachelesssociety5187
      @cachelesssociety5187 10 місяців тому

      Are you referring to the units with the lowest cost of about $750? I see Furman and companies like that sell what they call conditioners. Anything with the word "balanced" seems to be many hundreds if not thousands of dollars more.

  • @phantumdrummer
    @phantumdrummer Рік тому

    This video should be named "How to find hum" not "how to fix hum". So, yeah I know exactly where my hum is coming from, it's the cables from the turntable to the phono stage. I've tried five different cable and ground combinations so far and the hum always returns the second I plug in to the phono stage. I know there is a cable that will work, I've just not found it yet.

  • @cubinn149
    @cubinn149 Рік тому

    Follow the fricken instructions guys lol

  • @doctorfuse007
    @doctorfuse007 Рік тому

    The letter writer doesn’t say the hum is coming from the tweeter, he says he hears the hum when his ear is NEAR the tweeter.
    If PS Audio’s reading comprehension is this poor what does that mean about listening and engineering skills?

  • @JJ-no2ob
    @JJ-no2ob Рік тому

    I replace my SS pre amp with a tube pre amp fed by a SS amp and immediately got the “humming blues” After going thru the process described in this video I determined it was the tube pre amp. I replaced the RCA interconnect cables with a budget pair of XLR cables and the hum disappeared! So this begs the question - was the issue a GROUND fault or a MY fault ? 😝

    • @ianhaylock7409
      @ianhaylock7409 Рік тому +1

      It's a ground fault. The XLR cable enables the amp to use common mode noise rejection on the input. That is why you no longer have hum.

  • @aaronsmith8265
    @aaronsmith8265 Рік тому

    Ppl get so lost so easily 😂
    Does it sound good!? - yes - then leave it alone & enjoy it. Delete the app that’s using crappy iPhone mic lol

  • @machintelligence
    @machintelligence Рік тому

    The logic of troubleshooting escapes some people.
    In the automotive world, some mechanics will "fire the parts cannon" at a problem that involves a corroded connection.

  • @shawnmathew825
    @shawnmathew825 Рік тому

    Going through a bunch of tests, I actually found the hum was coming from the HDMI between my projector and the rest of the system. And following that, I found the sound is coming from the ground in my house. Pulled out the third prong on the power plug of my projector, and the hum was gone when I put the HDMI back in.

    • @Roof_Pizza
      @Roof_Pizza Рік тому

      Different circuit?

    • @shawnmathew825
      @shawnmathew825 Рік тому

      @@Roof_Pizza the room has 3 different circuits. Two in the front for each mono block amp and one in the back for the sources which the projector is plugged into

    • @Roof_Pizza
      @Roof_Pizza Рік тому +3

      @@shawnmathew825 I've always heard that one dedicated circuit is best. I guess if you have monster amps that they might need their own so that's out the window. I've got 3 amps (9 channels) on a single 15A and that's turned out to be plenty.

    • @hoobsgroove
      @hoobsgroove Рік тому

      @@shawnmathew825 you need a high-power 20A inductor of 3 mH on the earth connections ideally on every piece of equipment. or try ideally with earth filter a Lc or LcL ban pass between 45Hz - 65 Hz.

    • @philiptong4978
      @philiptong4978 Рік тому

      correct me if I'm wrong
      In unbalanced audio, the difference between the + terminal and the supposedly 0V reference is the signal
      the signal will be contaminated if that 0V reference is no longer maintained
      that happens when another device not at the same 0V reference potential is connected via interconnects such as hdmi or rca cable
      the differences of 0V reference (ground) potential between different equipments is the problem
      and sometimes, there are noisy/bad equipment that put out concernable noise to the ac ground, and your equipment is referencing a noisy ac ground

  • @mikeeygauthier2959
    @mikeeygauthier2959 Рік тому

    Cut the ground pin on the power amp.

    • @ianhaylock7409
      @ianhaylock7409 Рік тому

      Yeah, because the ground wire is there for absolutely no reason.

    • @user-od9iz9cv1w
      @user-od9iz9cv1w Рік тому

      Or stick your finger in the hot socket. You will no longer care about the hum.

  • @KA9DSL
    @KA9DSL Рік тому

    It hums cause it doesn't know the words.

  • @TheTrueVoiceOfReason
    @TheTrueVoiceOfReason Рік тому +3

    Fixing hum is easy, learn the words. 😄😄

  • @bassandtrebleclef
    @bassandtrebleclef Рік тому

    "Follow instructions" - Paul, c'mon, you need to be more realistic.

  • @alfa0mega74
    @alfa0mega74 Місяць тому

    can someone help me PLEASE? HUM/HiSS problem
    when I pull out speaker cable (3.5mm to 2Rca) from speaker hum disappears.
    when connect to pc and playing any kind of music, hum disappears BUT when I stop the music after 5 seconds, hum instantly comes back.
    when I volume up, hum increases.
    I have been searching for a way to fix it for weeks. For dear God's sake someone help

  • @trutmaasfull
    @trutmaasfull Рік тому

    60hz out of the tweeter…😂
    I think it must be caused a phase problem…🫣👍