Why did the Egyptians Make More Stone Vases in the Old Kingdom? | Myths Highlights
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"Why did Egyptians make stone vases?"
Why do companies make $1,000 cell phones?
Because people who can afford it ,like luxury,some human traits never change.
True, but there is also a utility argument that people will person the technology for use only, which is why there are usually cheaper options, like 200$ cell phones and $300 PCs
Earlier there was the issue of the supposed find of some 40,000 vessels beneath Saqqara, with no mention of how many were clay and soft stone vs how many were hard stone. So in that situation the question was how would thousands and thousands of vessels be made in hard stone? There would be no vast wealthy class to pay for so many at what they would charge for slow manual labor results.
But there has never been any hint of how many were carved in hard stone so that speculation is a dead end.
@@redwoodcoast Even today most of us have utilitarian items, day today China and Porcelain, and we have Grandmas Antique Porcelain in a display cabinet.... again I must reiterate it is a mistake to think we are that much different or superior to ancient People,we simply have a different set of problems to solve every day.
That reads like a modern perspective of a trained consumer.
@@TB-zw7dt I don't follow your logic , there are certain items that are essential, food containers being one of them, containers to store other day to day items, they can be made from the most basic materials,or more durable materials,or more ornate materials,but the function remains the same. You speak of a "consumer" society, did that not come with the first civilizations, after all consumerism is simply the ability to buy or trade for something you did not make yourself.....no different to modern consumerism.... admittedly more complex,but essentially the same.
I'm so glad you continue to provide easy to understand in-depth information that directly addresses the misinformation that is out there in the podcast environment. It's refreshing to have a go to channel that actually does the real research instead of people that think they are doing their own research.
"Lies". They are lies. Not misinformation. Call a spade a spade, please!
@Pax.Alotin
@Chris.Davies The term misinformation encompasses both intentional and unintentional dissemination of false information. Let's not split hairs about a topic we ultimately agree on.
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@@Thinkinginseriousness yup that's the type of missinfomation I'm talking about.
@@peterthebrewer5009 why so, it's just data, made readily available. Wheres the miss information
The paper cup fad from Atlantis left little traces ;(
Whereas archaeologists 5,000 years from now will still be unearthing Stanley cups, and writing papers on acute fears of water insecurity among 21st-century women.
Wow what a great little 5 minute clip, very concise & well presented. & Not an Alien in sight.
doesnt explain 4-5000 year old vases made with precision when laithes according to him werent invented yet,context missing
Thank you! Facts over fiction any day.
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what facts? these vases were clearly made on some type of laithe from what ive seen.. laithes according to him werent invented at the time of production..explains nothing
Excellent! 🎯 I would simple add a bit more context for consideration:
New/Middle/Old = *KINGDOM* In other words periods when central authority was exerted over Egypt + when environmental conditions might be good initially allowing the rise of "a kingdom" to over a period of centuries lead to periods of poor climatic conditions which led to decline and the eventual collapse of kingdoms.
Why is this important. It allows for such "guilds" of craftsmen being financed by central authorities - and not just the Pharaohs. Temples also maintained staff on hand to include craftsmen who as alluded to in the video supplied the items required for their duties. It should further be noted that by the New Kingdom period the largest landowners in Egypt per their tax records were in fact the temples. So this means a lot if not most of these expensive to procure items likely were intended for temples rather than a given Pharaoh.
Why is environment important?? Answer: Egypt did not use "money" as we do in modern time. Theirs was a commodity-based economy. Thus if times were poor and agricultural etc. output declined then Pharaohs or temples would be limited in how much they could do. If you were not paying a guild of craftsmen using "dollars" that means you paid them via room & board. Accordingly if your tax revenues/tithes were down because of a years long drought a Pharaoh/temple might not be able to support say a thousand workers to construct some grand project over a period of years. Then as now = you got what you paid for.
Final thought. Egyptologists over the years have discovered around Saqqara underground caches of mummified animals for votive offerings and burial items = literally millions of them. This infers a industry scale commercial operation was involved in their creation. Further these range in quality from poorly made "knock-offs" to very high quality mummified animals. This lends to you got what you paid for as these items being sold by the temples to tourists etc. varied in quality based upon anticipated customer. The poor sufficed with low quality ones whereas wealthy people could obtain "museum quality" work.
Moral: thus as the video inferred items might be made based upon the end user's need. They might not have created them in toto as much as obtained them from someone else to finish that - much as we today can buy IKEA furniture which we have to finish assembling ourselves.
Temple and private operations which supported the populace likely account for the bulk of what we see while the Pharaohs and wealthy individuals might also have their own craftsmen on staff. When times were good we see better/more prodigious work levels as people can afford it. When times were bad however we invariably see lower quality work - and less of it. Remember this. Enjoy your day folks.
I never heard of this myth, but not surprised. Love your videos.
David, I am so glad you keep publishing these videos. These stone vase examples are 2-3 thousand years old. There is not a lot of data on how these were made, most likely because it was trade secret during that era. Porcelain and glazing techniques started 1200-2000 years ago. Eight hundred years of baking clay and glazing to protect these items, and can be made by anyone with this easily reproduced method. Why would anyone pay a group to quarry a stone, and then hand craft this down until it holds a perfume, if the new clay method is so much cheaper?
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Great to hear cosmetics are still inside the jars such as scents & eyeliner. Thanks Dr Miano ~ safe travels💙
They must have lost the old ancient laser drill/energy lathes at some point between the old and new kingdoms 😁
They were rentals.
They used sand
clear proof of Aliens
how else could they have got sand in Egypt
😂
Somehow, it is very hard to imagine that life back then was in large parts identical to how we live today.
I think it is because we never see realistic depictions of ancient life. Even in art, it can never be just a story set in an ancient time where the time period is nothing more than a backdrop for good character development and story telling, it always has to include some fantastic or pseudo-historical element.
Like in history books, we only get to see amazing people do amazing things, we never see the in between parts, we never get to see the mundane. This causes a dissociation and it becomes hard to imagine those people being the same as us.
It does, but it helps to remember that even today most of our lives are boring as hell. We like it that way. Excitement can bring bad things, like maraudering armies.
Thanks for another great video!
Great content mate keep it up 😅
Excellent, merci
Good excerpt.
Very interesting!!
Great video.
Got to admit, the seemingly impossible levels of craftsmanship in those Old Kingdom vases sent me down the woo woo path for a while.
Me too bro 😂
Uncharted X ?
No hope for him...
Why did they stop creating them? They managed to do it, in astounding precision. And then they stopped. Why?
@@ultrafeel-tv They were luxury goods produced in royal workshops. It wouldn't take much to shut down production indefinitely. Famine, social upheaval, foreign invasion......take your pick.
@@ultrafeel-tvWhy do our clothes suck compared to our grandparents and don’t last as long? Maybe our grandparents had tailored clothes from Atlantis, or maybe they just cared more and the industry put more effort into quality compared to today’s cheaper crappier factory stuff. Maybe societies put more effort into different things at different times, for efficiency. Look at book publishing too. All of my grandparent’s books are beautiful, and we have mostly ebooks, even our hardcover aren’t as nicely made, less detail.
David. Is there a location of WHERE these were made? We found quarries like Aswan but are workshops found with examples of errors or thrown away ones?
Ancient Egyptian ruins as far as everyday use were made of mud bricks. Mud brick buildings if not kept up will erode away with time and exposure.
Consider the worker village* of Giza. It represented a village size community comprised of mud brick buildings which could house thousands. Today what Egyptologists see is merely the foundational block areas and perhaps the remains of some walls as all the rest long ago eroded away.
They have found however various things in the once midden heaps which tell them about life there - much as say they found artifacts around the once worker village of Deir el-Medina near the Valley of the Kings which was also mud brick.
Egyptologists do find artifacts in proximity to once areas of habitation but in most cases the buildings themselves are pretty much gone - much as the once pyramids with mud brick cores. Once the casing stone facade were stolen they eroded down into mounds of earth.
* - the worker village today is buried to preserve it. Look at the Giza necropolis using maps on satellite view. South of Khafre's valley temple next to the Sphinx is the Wall of the Crows and just to the southeast is a wadi area with trees = worker village area. Egyptologists reburied it after study to prevent further erosion and help prevent vandalism.
it was the alien from Stargate, but he blew up, so they lost the secret of how to do it
Those naquadah enhanced bombs can be a pain........
Stone querns are all over the place in Gölbeki Tepe in the settlement next to the famous stone construcions using T shaped engraved pillars dating back 10,000 yrs in the pre pottery neoolithic.
In about 2500 bce in England Stonehenge lintels were fashioned into arcs to form the circular shape plus had mortice and tenon and tongue and groove joints fashioned in them all using stone hammer stones.
Stone is far more workable than most people think. Especially with organization of a capable workforce. And isn't that what Egyptians were known for?
Yes stone is more durable. It is also = cheaper than wood in a desert environment. Remember that wood in ancient Egypt was expensive as it needed to be imported. This cost factor limited wood's use.
Here is an example. While Egyptologists have found wooden coffins = ones made from a single tree trunk are very rare. So using bits of wood a craftsmen might build a coffin for someone whereas obtaining an entire tree trunk and carving that into a single unit was prohibitively expensive for most.
So everyday people sufficed with clay pottery whereas wealthy ones could afford carved stone - and very wealthy ones might also use decorated wooden objects. Limestone as their basic stone for use was literally there for the taken being found throughout Egypt.
p.s. - as to your question. By the time of the Persian occupation of Egypt the renown of Egyptian stone masons was such that Darius sent Egyptian stone masons to help build his new capital city of Persepolis.
Have you been in touch with the museums yourself and ct scanned the vases? I’m sure someone with your background could convince them to let you do it. It would be great to show the world the Egyptians accuracy, even if we can’t tell exactly how that accuracy was done.
What would that show - besides a given vase had given dimensions........
p.s. - Ben et al claimed for years that museums would not work with them = to now suddenly have additional vases to measure......... - so where did they come from??? This is but one question his fanboy club should ask of him rather than demanding yet more measurements from others.
You may be interested in viewing the following video from the Sacred Geometry Decoded channel: SCANNED Egyptian Vases (The Other Ones) from the Meijer Collection of Egyptian Stone Vessels
He offered to help Ben but obviously Ben isn't interested in the truth.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime he has access to the vases and can’t be bothered to just scan them!
@@anthonynorris7736 Ben doesn't want to scan an actual verified item. He knows it will blow up his scam.
Since the Pharaoh Dosser needed all the Old Kingdom Tableware for his afterlife; he ordered that all 45,000 of them be rounded up, & that they be placed in his Tomb.
Technically Old Kingdom is later than most of the stoneware found in the step pyramid catacombs.
OK = start of 3rd to end of 6th dynasty.
Only a handful of items were stamped with Djoser's name, the rest belong to 1st and 2nd dynasties and maybe older still.
Such an order would not be recorded for posterity to read, so unless a very fortunate find of a royal declaration was found then the claim of such an order lacks credibility... along with any referenced source.
Because the Ægyptian old kingdom started C2700 BCE, they were still experts at working with stone, having only used copper for ¬2,000 years, and bronze for ¬1,000 years or so, which they probably used in some manner to assist their mastery of a medium which had been their mainstay for the entirety of human existence of working with non-wooden tools, i.e. many, many, many thousands of years, from which, their knowledge of stone-working was beyond compare.
Our since having knowledge of metals has allowed much of the intricate stone-working minutae to have been forgotten over the millennia as old craft masters died without relevant aspects being passed down, leaving some to think that we possessed advanced technologies rather than an advanced understanding of the medium, gained from countless millennia of learned and now forgotten wisdom.
Was that succinct, Dave?
_"Structure"_ vs. a lack of the same. Consider the German Empire prior to Bismarck unifying the nation leading to the last German Empire under the Kaisers. So things were certainly occurring prior to unification = save for in various "kingdoms" not under a central controlling authority. Once however Germany became unified then the totality of that skill and output was able to be harnessed and directed by the Kaiser and his government.
Moral: the information on the internet reflects man's knowledge. Yet that knowledge existed prior to the creation of the internet = save it it was "decentralized" more than today. With the internet however our capacity to access information improved as did our understanding as people now had access to information they might not otherwise have.
So a civilization's capacity to access its' cumulative knowledge is correlative to its' ability to expand upon that knowledge. When knowledge is more centralized people can understand and learn from others more easily. When it is "dispersed" for some reason however..... When Egypt was unified and times were good any skills could be more readily passed on + additional skills developed more readily.
Almost watched a pseudoscience Show on Netflix called ancient apocalypse thanks to channels like yours i immediately shut it off knowing it was a waste of time 😊
Yes, shutting out other ideas is the key to advancement and open mindedness
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And how do you hollow out a vase with a wide body but a small opening and thin walls like shown at 2:14?
Very carefully. There are videos of a Russian woman making similar vases with rocks tied to sticks.ua-cam.com/video/taXspNBzYXs/v-deo.html
Kind of like a d shape tool. A bent tool works and something like scissors.
Maybe ask a craftsman instead of a former network engineer.
ua-cam.com/video/01QBayPzzs4/v-deo.htmlsi=sHhSWxR0_xlViom- there are more ways.
check out @ScientistsAgainstMyths for some answers
2:15 " The fact that *some are stone is indicative of the wealth* and status of their owners... " - I imagine that in 7000 years future someone will be digging up then-ancient houses in North America, and concluding from the nature of kitchen counters that a kitchen which had stone counter tops is indicative of the wealth of the house-owner...
It's called fashion, look it up.
No lathes? How do you explain the ones that are perfectly round?
Who said no lathes?
@@WorldofAntiquity are you saying they used lathes, didn’t use lathes, or are you avoiding the question?
Which ones are perfectly round?
@@Eyes_Open there’s tons of them that are
@@mattbealllimitless How did you ascertain the perfectness of tons of them? I think assumptions are in play here. However, turning an object in a circle will produce circularity.
Woah
Late old?
@0:28 "Serious setbacks in the craft" ≠ "ancient lost high technology"
H i g h technology according to whom? What are craft setbacks if not lost skills and techniques combined with lost technology? Especially if the result is products of inferior materials and lower quality or finish. The raw material was still available, right?
How unique are the hardest stone products with the finest surface finish? Are there several visually identical in shape (±1%)? How are they dated?
A relevant link is also an answer. 🙂
Watch the entire video.
@@MarcosElMalo2???
This is an excerpt from a longer video, as stated. See description. (Also: "The raw material was still available, right?" Not when there is no longer a system to procure and import the more interesting hard stone, no. Was there some hard stone available? Sure.) If you don't know what the "high-technology" reference is, 1) lucky you, and 2) yep see the longer video.
@@abandoninplace2751 Why are you answering questions that no one has asked? "The raw material was still available, right?" is rhetorical because I know the hard rocks didn't suddenly disappear. In this context "severe setbacks in the craft" is the same as "ancient lost technology, skills and techniques". That makes the statement @0:28 an opinion at best.
Ha I got a question for you I bet you can't answer. This absolutely proves your wrong about them making their own vases...
WHERE DID THEY PUT THE BATTERY'S? HUH I BET YOU CANT ANSWER THAT ONE lol lol lol you know those were just vases those were electric water purification fountains that used batteries lol lol lol I'm sorry they aliens made me do it.... ok seriously now thank you for the video.
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Hi ..you mentioned drill..could you elaborate on this...Best nugget
check around 1:54 for that drill
On the Primitive Technology channel he shows variations of a bow drill. Some to actually drill with, some to turn fans, some for starting fire.
@@AveragePicker Also, Granpa Amu's channel, though mostly focused on traditional (ancient) Asian woodworking, also shows these tools that, for many rural tribal people, haven't changed in 5000 years.
I'm not saying it was aliens... but... heheeh
so we are not talking about vases before old kingdom?
Watch the video.
@@WorldofAntiquity i had no idea laithes were invented
@@WorldofAntiquity so when were laiths first used..the dates dont match the work done on vases that were clearly done on laithes at least thats what evidence points to.3-5000 year old vases
That bow drill technique doesnt explain the precision vessels in hard stone and doesnt mean they werent trying to duplicate something they didnt really have the capacity for. So you say they were using saws on rock? Not on diorite and the like. Inscriptions on the vessels doesnt mean they werent added long after thier manufacture describing whatever pourpose the egyptians had for them. Im sure appropriating others work wasnt unique to the middle dynasties. Theres no way a bow drill or any other sort of crude lathe technique would have been sufficient for the thin and precise hard stone vases. Even the incas were using a technique from the past for making that slump stone...but with smaller stones. Im not convinced that all the pyramids were built by dynastic egyptians...but were trying to duplicate a brand of knowledge from Annunaki civization that they didnt have the capacity for...but did have the money to try. And of course it did have to do with afterlife...but the modern concept of what that means is eroneous. I think those that actually built the great pyramid did use it to get to the afterlife realm...but not because they were dead. It enabled to them travel great distances without it taking forever...and ever...and ever. A normal human body wouldnt survive the process. The ancient concept of the afterlife wasnt some wispy psuedo state of existence where a vestige of conscience somehow survived. It was an actual place where a version of the things you were buried with would also be there. An elite priviledge indeed. I doubt ANY of the dynastic pharoahs actually made it. Just on the chance that it might work...the tried to duplicate stuff they only partially understood
To paraphrase, you don't understand lapidary techniques, therefore fantasy.
Your claim of precision seem to be based on your opinion.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime 1/8000 of an inch they still can’t replicate it and you still can’t provide that evidence
@@GG-ng6zm You're assuming a specification after the fact. Do you not see the problem?
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime facts are proven, you haven’t been able to prove anything. Just parroting outdated theories which you’re not even sure yourself that you understand. That’s why you’re stuck on ramps and chisels.
For batteries.
Maybe they didn't need as many . 🤔
I hereby choose Serpentinite as my new word of the day.
It's like kryptonite, but for Super Serpent.
No, Egypt doesn't exist, only the sounthern hemisphere is real!
really
Why did you post a link to an entertainment channel? This is a reality based channel.
Really what? Use your words.
To many I'd have to make a whole vid to explain,
@@Thinkinginseriousness So you could point out a single specific error but you won't because you're exhausted?
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime ok I'm gonna just give me 2 minuets as it was 3 days ago i watch this video so will have to do a quick scan refresh, i could go off the top of my head but would rather be accurate
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Take your meds and get back into counseling......... 🤦🥱
I still haven't seen the ancient manufacturing technology once used adequately explained when it comes to the finer works. Speculation is all we have.
Well if you would apply your efforts to learning the evidence rather than creating sockpuppet accounts to troll these videos = imagine what would then make sense for you............
p.s. - in so much as "you" do not get to decide what is what here your personal accedence to the evidence is not required. Facts remain facts your incredulity notwithstanding. I suggest you remember that.
You imply that the only way to satisfy you is a time machine.
Instead of arguing about the wacko fancy tech of the carvings, I think we need to recognize how absurdly impressive the things made before and during the old kingdom represent.
It seems pretty mind blowing that it went from nearly zero real civilization to all of a sudden having an absurdly high level of ability within just a few generations.
Does any other culture at that age show such rapid advancement? Such skill? Not that I'm aware of. The ancient tech people use absurd arguments, but I think you're dismissing how mind boggling this advancement was.
Doesn't the pace and capability we see in such a short time in such an ancient culture kind of stand out as somewhat anomalous?
That's the thing the ancient tech grifters are latching onto, but it seems that so many are so offended by their absurd assumptions that you end up ignoring the events that cause their wonder.
A few hundred years of pre-dynastic time is not enough time to produce skilled workers?
We have a much more rapid advancement in technology today.
Are you really ignoring the rapid advancement from times like the industrial age?
What short period of time? Who we tend to refer to as "ancient egyptians" did not just sprout out of the ground one day. Chipping stone is one of if not the first invention. You could just easily say it took a million years to get that point.
All the early civilizations show incredible advancement. Going from living in extended family groups to cities took lots of innovation in social customs and organization.
One of the Mesopotamian cultures held that those customs were a gift from a god.
"world of positivism antiquity" egypt would be a Stone capitalistic society, this is so biased
I would like to see a demonstration of very hard stone being worked to produce the finish displayed in the Cairo Museum.not a whole item,bowl,vase,dish but a small sample of stone finished to the standards of the originals using the appropriate tools and techniques.nobody will be able to navigate me to an example of this incredible workmanship so I’m calling bs .prove me wrong
"prove me wrong"
@@TheDanEdwards can you expand please Dan,
You are seemingly calling for an example of a creation matching a standard which you believe to be at a certain amazing (but undefined) level. If that is true then you must prove your assumed standard. As it stands, you can see experiments on the Scientists Against Myths and Sacred Geometry Decoded channels.
@@charlottemann258So you're ignoring Etsy?
Well I'd like to see a demonstration of very hard stone being worked with this sonic frequency levitation high tech advanced sacred geometry magic. Nobody will able to navigate me to an example or even a single piece of partial evidence of the existence of such a thing. prove me wrong.
Please tell us something about jesus or mohamed. Would be very interesting to hear from someone who knew them personally and was there at the time.
You are still posting comments that do not relate to the conversations in the videos?
Per your own argument the religious figures you just named must be fictional as no one alive today was there and thus can not claim anything about them. If however you try to argue there is historical information to show they were supposedly real = the same can be said about the Egyptians....... - so you boxed yourself in by your superficial logic.
p.s. - so it falls to the nature of what if any evidence supports something and the credibility of that. Dave has credible evidence on his side whereas you are clearly trying to quibble based upon stereotypical "arguing from ignorance".
Aren't you the one who thought he was jealous of Carlson?
@NinjaMonkeyPrime omg you did youre research. A youtube stalker..and for the record. I still think he is. He had to bring a classmate from high-school
to do the math for him. Never seen Carlsson do that. But I obviously don't take everything Carlsson says for a fact either.
@varyolla435 I just dislike this dudes business idea. He tries to gain fame by bringing down others. And he does it a manner that I can't relate to. He invests weeks of his life just to bring down other creators. In the end, I don't care if aliens or Elvis Presley built the pyramids. Just sad to see a grown man acting like a spoiled child.
It was before the river moved ,
They used water powered lathes .
And then they transported the lathes back into space so no one could find them.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime my theory is a bit different . It was next to the Nile
It was a vacuumed powered water pump , it lifted water 400 feet and powered the pools and fountains .
The Nile moved miles away,
They parted it out sealed it up and moved , then the floods came .
Drowned the library and the Sphinx .
They moved to the americas , very few made it . Then the ruins were found thousands of years later . Then it was
“ I found it , my names on it , so it’s mine “. This is the secret they try so hard to keep .
I mean even IF advanced stuff was found 20k+ yrs ago thered be nothing left
Nope sorry that arguement doesn't float humans have existed for nearly 1 million years in some form or another. If a highly advanced race had the capabilities that conspiracy theorists want to ascribe to them, there would most definately be something besides bones, stone and metal tools jewelery, pottery, et al. Science in no way supports any of this, fringe theory via Von Danikin and ancient aliens. Its puffery and posturing. The number of things people claim we "couldn't do today" forget the reel upon real of film footage testing theories in both real world and computer simulation have proven time and again are numerous ways the pyramids could be quaried shaped, and put into place or "walk" the moai heads of easter island.
Yes there would. Archeologists have found stuff like wooden neandertahl spears that are hundreds of thousands years old.
@jackboomslang5646 they found 20k year old grave goods in china in the early 00s that were sealed so well the contents were preserved, it was over 4 ounces of cannabis indica. The idea that ancient people were any dumber than us is an incredibly self important position. They weren't dumb wildmen grunting and flinging poo in animal frenzies. They had complex tribal relationships, rules of conduct, and technology but if taken from then to now, barring language differences, you could teach ancient humans the same skills needed in almost every position in the workforce. The only differences are we understand more of the how abd why thigs work because weve developed specialized tools to make life both more productive and slightly more convenient
Dr. Miano did an entire video on that very question.
@@jackboomslang5646 Yeah, but only low-tech stuff. The advanced stuff was all hit by comets, apparently. 😉
What’s the difference between mistaking textbooks for exact fact and truth and tablets, word of mouth, or religious texts? Very little. This is dogmatic and it’s a belief systeml. You’re confusing your beliefs with reality. In fact you’re creating your own reality through your textbook based beliefs. How much to we truly know as fact from 5000 years ago?. Very little is known about these, yet you fill in the blanks with hypotheses and conclusions drawn from guesses. And there’s no explanation for the perfectly round ones. Hardly anything is know about the predynastic period where these came from.
History is based on evidence. The stronger the evidential support for a conclusion, the higher the probability of its accuracy. But, since evidence is always coming in, all historical conclusions are considered tentative pending further evidence. I once asked my students how historians come to their conclusions. One student said, "By reading textbooks." This showed a big misunderstanding of how history works. Textbooks are written to teach the public what conclusions historians have come up with, not to teach the historians themselves.
@@WorldofAntiquity That’s a very thoughtful and articulate perspective.
Often times videos and conveyance of information can come across as “this is 100% truth”, as opposed to “this is the most likely explanation based on what we think we know today”. As you say, evidence is always coming in, so it’s important that we remain open to possibilities and communicate that we don’t have everything 100% figured out about our true history.
There are many unknowns. We for sure do not know how they made perfectly round artifacts. It’s a tricky subject with the lathe, because there is no lathe evidence for 1700+ years, yet we have perfectly round artifacts. So there are unknowns and it’s important to concede that we don’t know everything, if we want to create open, transparent, non bias, non divisive, truthful content. I am open minded to your explanation of these. I am open minded to alternative explanations that involve tools that are not in the archaeological record. Have a great day, I’m sure we’ll be communicating on this topic further in the future.
Matt
Every textbook I ever had contained = a bibliography....... Ergo I did not believe what the text related simply because it was "a text" - or even because I might have desired to assume the information as true. I did so = because what was contained in the text was supported by reams of other information from other sources...........
Moral of the story: the only "dogmatism" at play here = is with the so-called "alternative" nonsense.
They are invariably inflexible in their narrative claims + they lack any semblance of peer-review consensus nor abidance to correct scientific method of analysis + they "believe" what they believe because they of course desire to assume it as supposedly true + and finally any "evidence" they posit as supposedly supporting those narratives represents subjective argumentation/conjecture reminiscent of _"a circular firing squad."_
"Alternative researcher" #1 makes claims and supports that by pointing to "alternative researcher" #2 -------> who support themselves by pointing to "alternative researcher" #3 = who in turn points back to #1........... - and round and round they go in what represents a "closed-loop" system which is limited to the internet.
p.s. - the basis of your argument I'm afraid is the logical/deductive fallacy known as = _"argumentum ad ignorantiam."_ The correct response to "we don't know" is = "we don't know" - not let's assume something based upon whim.
You base conclusions upon knowns - not unknowns as the "alternative" schtick regularly does. Hence the metric for validity is not "sounds about right" = it is this is what all the evidence supports as plausible - and here are others who agree with that their having the background to understand.
Key word = "understand". Look at who makes these "alternative" claims and you will see people with absolutely zero background in these subjects = but they definitely understand how to "create a brand" and market that......... Ponder that if you will.
@@mattbealllimitless It is well known that if you spin an object on a stable, rotating mechanism, and you use a carving tool upon it, you can create a perfectly round object. It has been done for thousands of years. It doesn't matter how hard the object is, as long as the tool can carve it.
@@WorldofAntiquityhave you seen any evidence of wheels being used in the times these where invented? (Not saying it wasn’t possible just is there any evidence) anything’s possible given enough time
I was a lapidarist and a stone mason for decades. If you have never worked with stone, you have no idea just how hard it is to cut and polish.
And yet clearly we have as a people worked with stone and cut and polished it. I don't get your point? From construction to statues our history is littered with stone work.
@@AveragePicker Clearly nothing you can take credit for.
A stone mason who speaks in generalities and who does not distinguish between types of stone and what it requires to work them = does not make much of an argument.....
The Egyptians fabricated stone objects representing a wide range of stone types - some easier to work than others - the same as they did with wood. One can see wooden objects crafted from a wide range of wood types - some not native to Egypt.
Further this technology was not willy-nilly as the Egyptians went so far as to create geology maps of Egypt depicting where specific types of stone and mineral deposits existed. So these were not randos working in mud brick huts mucking around with stone they got from the local river bed. This was clearly reflective of industrial level capacity spanning Egypt itself.
p.s. - as "a stonemason" one must = where did your knowledge come from............ Masons today are of course taught their trade using knowledge = developed in the past which has been passed along and improved upon.
Ergo the Egyptian civilization which existed for millennia + which represented an organized society to include paid professional guilds of craftsmen who specialized in the working of certain mediums and who passed that knowledge down = could after a few centuries of continuity achieve much vis a vis the capacity to work stone.
@@varyolla435 I really think you would benefit from working with your hands, it builds character.
@@drivenmad7676 🤭 I ditch digger uses a shovel all day = but that does not make them an engineer........
p.s. - you avoided what I noted - yes I noticed that. So where did the techniques and tools used to work stone today come from..........
Go on = admit it - from that past and what people used to do by hand until they found a better way and passed that along + developed mechanized tools to make the job easier.
_"Chicken & the egg"_ man develops the concepts and then develops technology to make the job easier. No said it was "easy" to work stone = merely possible using the tools and techniques of the day.
You do not address the elephant in the room. Where did the ancient Egyptians get the CNC machinery necessary for the incredible tolerances observed. Sure, many vases were made by hand. That's a very easy statement to make. Congratulations, you have mastered the obvious. But not the outliers which clearly demonstrate advanced technology and all your imprecations otherwise cannot shoo the elephant out of the room.
Back for more I see............ Alas = you still present no more evidence for your subjective beliefs than in previous attempts to troll here. Thus once again as the conditions have not changed = neither has the answer.
Moral of the story: you *PRESUME* the ancient Egyptian craftsmen desired to arrive at those tolerances.............. So once again I ask = where did such a presumption come from??? If you try to point at a given vase as supposed proof of concept of the same = welcome to the world of circular reasoning.
You just admitted they could craft things by hand = only to quibble about outcome. How mundane - and illustrative of cognitive dissonance coincidentally. If a so-so craftsman can create a so-so stone vase then it is does not require a stretch of imagination to deduce a master craftsman having the time and resources available might produce a similar vase of much higher aesthetic quality. Craftsmen have been doing this for millennia after all.
Thus the only "elephant" here = are the steaming piles of elephant dung Ben and his fanboy club spout with regularity. Your entire "argument" - which is not much I'm afraid - represents a purely assumptive/subjective one. We realize of course "you believe what you believe" = but that does not go far in the real world I'm afraid. It simply belies your simplistic approach to complex questions.
@@varyolla435This has hit a raw nerve…
@@chilledwalrus The real question is where did the aliens hide the CNC machinery you say was used.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime That is of course, an excellent question. Would one of our CNC machines survive for 4,000 years? I don’t think so. It would of course be stripped and recycled. The copper of course would all be removed and other components reused. They undoubtedly had tons of barbarians illegally crossing their borders. Think they are gonna be respectful?
@@chilledwalrus So all the pottery and even writing survived, but not the parts from the alien CNC machine? And no one really documented finding such things? I really think you're close minded to aliens and transportation technology.
Go grind some stone and concrete block and get back to me😊 Only partly serious really enjoy your sober analyses
Sacred Geometry Decoded has many videos, uncut, of him cutting granite with copper tools, he even made a translucent bowl out of one.
Go search for people who have done that.
Ancient high technology? No.. But let's agree to disagree these people had the potters wheel or something similar long before the accepted date for its wide spread use. They were definitely spinning these vases at a high rate of speed to create them. This doesn't seem far-fetched. Nobody doubts they were intelligent crafty people. Figuring out how to spin something isn't exactly some crazy alien technology.
Do you have any references or indication that they could spin the stone quick enough?
Agreed that they were intelligent but you seem to be implying that they had a lathe
It's been shown and demonstrated you don't have to spin something that fast.
@@AveragePicker Where has a Granite vase like these been demonstrated to be made by hand to less than 1000th of an inch?
@@timcarbone007 a potters wheel is indeed technically a lathe. These vases are made to within a 1000th of an inch on the exterior. Can you show an example of one being made of Granite with a bow drill and sand?
@@MOEMUGGY there are videos on UA-cam by Scientists against Myths where they use a drill
ua-cam.com/video/MEuQK9bSyvU/v-deo.htmlsi=hlPZhu2rACEtKXRp
And another channel does similar things. Link below
ua-cam.com/video/mhmko9Si2hE/v-deo.htmlsi=EEWAUcoX16gz3JlM
You barely proved how these were made with lasers
You still didn't adequately explain the causes of these so-called "setbacks"
There are transitions between, e.g., the Old Kingdom and the New Kingdom for reasons. Don't expect the entire history of Egypt in 5 minutes.
Usual reason = environmental collapse. The historic/archeological/geological record shows whereby over the centuries Egypt suffered from periodic droughts - some believed to have lasted upwards of a century or more. This coincidentally is not restricted to the past either as even in modern times there have been droughts in Africa lasting 20 years or more.
So the Egyptian economy as my comment above alludes to was a commodity-based one. Agriculture along with other commodities was the basis of their wealth. There are historical accounts as an example dating to the end of the Old Kingdom/beginning of the 1st Intermediate Period from Viziers of that time. They wrote that the people suffering from prolonged starvation secondary to a lengthy drought such as led to the collapse of the Kingdom = were reduced to eating their children.
As alluded to in other of Dave's videos such as the Sea Peoples etc. again the evidence indicates environmental collapse = this time possibly a century of more. This resulted in the collapse of the Bronze Age and the decline and collapse of the Hittite Kingdom as well as the Mycenaeans.
While Egypt survived - from that point on the New Kingdom was terminally weakened. The subsequent Rameses line of Pharaohs saw increasing economic hardship and a loss of power eventually leading to the collapse of the New Kingdom when the Nubians - previously a vassal State - conquers much of Egypt to set themselves up as Pharaohs during the 25th Dynasty.
Moral: invasion by others sometimes cause the collapse of a Kingdom. The usual reason however was the cyclical impact of environmental collapse which destroyed the basis of Egypt's wealth = agriculture and trade.
It was a lesson the Pharaohs learned well by the way. By the Ptolemaic period the Pharaohs were always concerned with their people suffered prolonged hardship - their understanding how in the past starving people sometimes rose up and caused the downfall of their predecessors.
p.s. - Nilometers are an example of their concern about above. Knowing they depended upon the Nile for their bounty they developed systems for predicting failure and drought.
Actually he did explain it but you decided to ignore him for no reason.
@@varyolla435It’s amazing, the number of people who claim to know so much about Egypt that they’re sure ancient technology is necessary to explain its wonders, but they don’t know Egypt was invaded over and over.
😂
The vases are predynastic ca 14 k yrs. They were chemical receptacles. Sorry for the wake up call bro.
Wake up sheeple
The aliens are hiding flat Earth with vases.
...perhaps spit bowls were more popular in those days.
Can't hear as said can't date stone I let it them tell me.💊💊💊☕👂💫
Incoherent. Try again.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime so you need nothing be happy just coil you trying again nothing so nothing then you in vortex or dimension or nothing 💊💊💊☕ you guess are you crasy thoth thought nothing huh I said nothing I'm not trying I don't understand your thoughts why you trying to communicate nothing.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime I just listen to stone talk I can't hear so meditation is incoherent nothing nore thought 💊💊☕
@@wayawolf-ox8zp Sorry but you're still incoherent.
Can you try that again, in English this time?
Thank you for again pointing out how dumb the Egyptians were compared to us. We could easily build the pyramid today we just choose not to
That’s what you took from this? Really?
dude you've been endlessly trying to pick an argument with cheap bait, isn't that kind of sad? don't you have a kid? shouldn't you be playing with them instead of losing your mind about videos you hate?
@WorldWokeApeCult nah but that's at the root of every one of his videos. He's not at all respected by his peers he's considered (correctly) as an idiot
@@4everseekingwisdom690 You're not his peer. You're more akin to the guy who tries to take a piss during a tornado and wonders why it's raining.
Why are pyramids so difficult for you to wrap your head around to the point that you think we can't do it today but for some reason...hanging out on a flying buttress suspended by a rope trying to fit a piece of marble you have no problem with? I'll ask you again, at what point in history do you think we could work and build with stone?
Ah so the decline in quality was from political instability…. I’m no historian but doesn’t that just sound wrong? They weren’t making automobiles.
Who is paying the bills? The workers didn't make product for free.
it sounds perfectly feasible....... Do societies not function better and see advances in technology etc. more readily = when they are stable......... - think about it.
Conversely when societies are unstable owing to things like internal/external strife and political instability = people typically focus on survival rather than other more "esoteric" endeavors + lacking unified governments said governments do not fund research such as occurs today.
Dense
Quality doesn't decline with decline in funding?
uh... that information is slightly interesting but is irrelevant compared to the issue of the creation of perfectly-precisely made hard stone vessels at a time when such capability was not known to exist. THAT is the only stone vessel issue that really matters. It is not credible that manual labor was capable of achieving the precision that is seen in very hard, and very fragile stone vessels, some ridiculously thin.
A machine-process was required but were the early Egyptians capable of producing such 'advanced' machinery? They had the intelligence but did they put it to work? But even with the lathe-type machinery, what material could have served successfully as the graving blades when advanced alloys of iron did not yet exist?
Could they have advanced from a crudely shaped stone to a completed vessel by using nothing but top-shelf grinding surfaces made from emery from Naxos island? No one has yet attempted to replicate such a process so we may never know.
Still, even if long laborious effort could produce a precision-made vessel, under what scenario would such an extensive effort have been viewed as practical, -and in what volume? Many questions having no answers.
All of this information is relevant to the debate on whether the Egyptians were making stone vessels like the ones you claim are perfectly precise (coincidentally there doesn't exist a "perfect" stone vessel but certainly some very impressive ones). As you say, it might be easier for you to comprehend if you could see it with your own eyes, of which you say no attempts have been made... except they have to some fantastic results. Check out "sacred geometry decoded" and "scientists against myths" for the evidence you seek.
And on the question of practicality, look at your phone as an example. Why do people spend £100's on a phone when a £10 version would perform the same function? Status, simple as. Humans of 5,000 years ago are still human after all.
No one attempted it? Why are you lying?
That vase on unchartedx isnt even symmetrical to the eye, so I'd question his other measurements as well as anything else he claims
@@JB-jm6lo Even worse are the holes in the handles. Spent tons of time making a "precise" stone vase and then drilled those holes in by eye-balling it - which totally failed. Or got the tech to make the stone vase itself but not to drill symmetrical precise holes into the handles. What an great example.
@@dnocturn84 "Spent tons of time making a "precise" stone vase" How can anyone make such a lame statement? The consequence of advanced technology is that there is no difficulty or extensive time involved in producing a product. Achieving precision is not the result of perseverance but of some form of automation involving advanced equipment.
Sorry homeboy. I've seen Stone vases that were turned on a lathe. And imma be honest, the fact that people like you, say that the Egyptians couldn't have done it, while you're looking at it, straight up pisses me off! I consider it to be racist, and demeaning to those people.
Where did he say Egyptians didn't create the items?
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime he didn't say that. But if he was asked that, he would. That's the standard academic line. That the Egyptians had not even invented the wheel yet.
Just throw away all the "Atlantis" nonsense for a second. When someone has used a lathe, they know what lathe work looks like. The type of manufacturing he's talking about, shows obvious signs. Like thick walls, soft Stone, very smooth work. Lathe turned Stone, on the other hand, has thin walls. Usually hard Stone, and visible tool marks. Like something turned on a lathe. It's proof of a wheel, not of Atlantis. There are statues and columns, in temples in India, that are the same way. Most are basalt. But you hear the same academic line. "NOPE"! Denying the obvious, in the face of the obvious.
Is it any Wonder these nimrods think aliens built the pyramids?
@@billcook7285 _"he didn't say that. But if he was asked that, he would. That's the standard academic line. That the Egyptians had not even invented the wheel yet"_ Are you living in opposite world? Why would an academic say that when we have pictures of them using a pottery wheel? Is this satire?
_"Just throw away all the "Atlantis" nonsense for a second"_ But that's who makes the claims that it was not the Egyptians who made the items. It doesn't come from academia, it comes from the woo conspiracy theory nuts. Again, you seem to be living in opposite world.
_" But you hear the same academic line. "NOPE"! Denying the obvious, in the face of the obvious"_ I don't suppose you can quote a single person from academia who says this can you?
_"Is it any Wonder these nimrods think aliens built the pyramids?"_ It's a wonder why you think any academic thinks that, because none exist.
Wait, do you not understand what the word academic means?
@@billcook7285 I think you are a bit turned around on this. This is refuting things like Carlson/Hancock/Uncharted etc who claim Egyptians did not do it.
I see you reaching sometimes...like a Pharaoh. Have you considered something like a satire... say- like the Bezos?
ARGH. The grammar makes me wince, and it definitely doesn't attract me to the video....might sound a bit mad, but I often block channels for that. I can deal with bad English, if it's due to ESL, but natives have no excuse, especially with all the lovely tools at their fingertips for checking such things....free, even.
And yet, you wrote that comment.