Comparing Mirrorless Canon R Sony a7R3 and some GH5 for Video
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2019
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Prefer this type of real world review then all the hype of the others. Thanks for sharing.
Did I miss the part where he talked about the GH5?
Was thinking the exact thing
apparently you did? I saw it. He said that the colors were a bit cool and green.
He does starts with it in the first 2-3 minutes I then forgets it. He could have easily removed the GH5 part if he could not find half decent videos from 2700 clips. I face none of those issues with my GH5, although I shoot manual, GH5 autofocus is bad, but great image quality.
I swear I have heard "GH5" in this video ....
Hey Dave.. no need to apologize. You're no idiot, you're just someone who really loves his cameras.... no matter the brand! Keep up the awesome work, and stay motivated!!! I'm always watching your material.
Thanks for doing this video Dave, very interesting. Although, I wish you'd have spent a bit more time comparing the GH5 footage.
I should have said more, the GH5 just worked great, I guess I should have said that.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado Curious what you thought of the GH5 autofocus or if you changed any settings on it. Great comparison.
Ok, you hardly talked about the GH5, maybe a second video?
Always appreciate your videos Dave, keep it up. :)
Thanks Dave. I always appreciate your videos!
Always appreciate your videos! I am really pleased also with sony's awb!
I’ve got influenca, so I always appreciate your balanced, well thought out, and practical reviews.
Good work Dave. Very humble and straight to the point. Miss seeing your videos. What happened to the weekly videos?
Another great video! Thanks man
Always on point Dave 👍
Wanted to add my voice to those telling you that your videos are always great, and you've got useful insights to share. Don't listen to the haters, Dave. Don't even put in the time to argue back at them - it's not worth it. Just keep doing the great work you do and stay positive!
Dave, I've been your subscriber since 2014 and I just want to say that your content is amazing! You might not be influencing 'many' people but the one's that do watch surely feel influenced!
Thanks Dave, interesting real-world comparison!
Very good real life comparison, thanks Dave for putting this together and sharing.
You are not an idiot. Thanks for being such a inspiration figure throughout all these years. I moved to Sony with you, I tried to build a desktop with your tips, I've followed your tips all over, I have the same pursue to the skin colors maybe because of you. (that's why I'm with the BMPCC now). I wish I have the same humble way to teach as you.
Thanks for all those years.
Thanks Aldo much appreciated.
great thoughts on these Dave, thanks for looking at these
Thanks James.
always enjoy the practical approach
thanks a lot. it was useful and informative!
Thanks for the post. It seems you remain pleased with the Sony footage, is the operation of it also acceptable to you after the summer experiment? I shoot an A7R2 and am just digging into video.
Good to see you back. I have noticed with my gh5 through the standard profile makes the green grass look odd in some light going to try the natural profile.
I've been following you since day one Dave and you've always had the most reliable, real life comparison and reviews. I'm currently shooting with Canon R and GH5. I can't wait to see what A7Siii brings to the mix. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Great review, thanks.
thank you for the comparison. good to see you again
Is there an auto WB mode with "white" priority on the canon? That helps on my 80D.
For the Canon did you set awb or awb white priority?
Very good comparison !
You are so right about using auto settings for run and gun. It’s good enough and almost mandatory in many situations. I am using my GH5 this way more often now that the auto focus is usable. Also, you can adjust so much in post with Resolve. Nice 👍🏻.
fun video, always like your videos and understand this is not a A,B,C test but more of a 16 weeks of use compresed in to a short video review/comparison.
in every way 16 weeks of use has a lot more insight.
only thing i can say is looks like the canon has much more satration which will make WB problems much biger.
kind of wish the GH5 had a bit more time too.
been watching your videos since i got a canon 500D, always fun
Thank you for making this comparison, Dave! I've actually been using more of the auto features on my GH5 lately and have been loving it. I've been especially surprised with the auto WB - a revelation for me in run and gun situations. It sucks that you felt you needed to repeatedly explain your methods and reasoning, but unfortunately many don't realize that their way of shooting isn't the only way.
Gracias por tu trabajo, llevavamos tiempo esperandolo. Saludos desde el norte argentino.
Amazing job,
Hey dave you are.. highway.. no need to worry.. n you r one whose videos n explanation i admire .. i also bought my canon 60d just by wtching you video.. so relax.. we are with you..
Very interesting results. I think your testing reflects a real world usage situation.
You're not an idiot Dave, you're just someone comparing your experiences to the cameras you're using and I for one appreciate your take on it keep up the good work sir 👍
Thank you for saying that.
Not much on the GH5. I use that camera and very pleased with it, though I shoot manual and narrative films or docs.
What happened to the GH5 comparison yikes!
great job!
Thanks for the video!
I have had the opposite experience. Likely because I have been shooting in door volleyball. Just sold
My GH5 and sent back my S1 to now use an EOS R. While it doesn’t do slow motion as good, I have a better picture out of
It more consistently in doors, sometimes in poor lighting. White balance always stays the same, which helps!
Did you try using auto white balance with white priority on the eos R?
Sad you experience bad comments, love your work, keep going on Dave :)
Any Fuji testing in your future?
no gimmicks no editing skills here just nothing to keep the mass interested
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you stick to the core and one could get all the info they need in just 5 min of watching your content.
Keep doing it and this will be one of the best channels out there.
GREAT WORK DON'T GIVE IN.
would be nice to see this same comparison but with Log. Good video, thanks
Finally I hadn't seen a vid from Dave in awhile , I thought you were shooting a film or something. I figured that's why we hadn't seen vids
B R I L L I A N T, and thank you for such an awesome comparison video. New Sub. Cheers from Western Australia
I am not a shooter of any of these brands but have always liked your videos all the same. But this is the first time any of your content has popped up in my feed in awhile. I hate to hear the trolls are getting you down. I will just say keep up the good work and keep on keeping on. Cheers
Thanks Randy.
Great comparison Dave. I’ve seen this myself with the canon R, when I rented one. Don’t really know what they did from the good old 5D2/3 days. But they have Definitely changed the tones some how. What I have noticed from shooting with a a73 is, that if people go in to a dark shaded area the skin tones move more towards the green, when they are normally just slightly in the red (well for me). But it’s the only big hiccup I could give it with the skin tones. Sony have really done well with the tone change in the 3 series. I now like them more than what I get out of my c100 mk2 and I didn’t see that coming
A video! Hooray!!! 2,300 clips. Holy review footage Batman!
Thanks, I hope to do more videos soon, it just a bummer that a tiny fraction of my subs actually watch.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado Ditto here. I think it's become a new game of how loud you can yell. Not my cup of tea. :)
@@BasicFilmmaker yes I think there is a lot of yelling now on YT in this camera space compared to 10 years ago when only a handful of people made video reviews. I guess you have to yell now to get noticed, or have Google's algo like you.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado Agreed. It's a different quickly changing landscape, exactly what I am working on right now without actually changing ME. BTW, you can buy my new course, "How to make a million dollars on UA-cam." It only costs 1 million dollars. I'll give you a discount. LOL!! :)
UA-cam has definitely changed. I remember that I was trying to emulate the format that I saw 6 or 7 years ago, but that doesn't work anymore. It's crazy to see channels go from 0 to 100k now when that was SUCH a rarity back then. Something definitely picked up in the last 2 years. I have ZERO plans to book trips for footage, or start vlogging, but I have been pondering my format lately, while staying on topic.
Hi Dave,
I think this is a great video. It's evident that it's possible, even better sometimes to switch into "AUTO" and start shooting. People won't care watching these type of videos whether their "pro" quality.
They want to see their children and that style of shooting works fine.
Great work. Thanks again.
I'm from a Canon background, bailed to get into Black Magic, and i think i agree with you here. Sony seemed to have really picked up their color game
Nice to see some real world examples with these cameras... so much stuff is from people pretending they are shooting a 'movie'. The pictures from the Sony do look surprisingly good compared to the other two and the focus looked nailed on the long lens shots. Did you use auto focus on all three? Would be good to know how that also matches up on with real world use... my GH5 is better than it used to be with Lumix lenses, but I rarely find it good enough for run-n-gun video work. Take care, Paul
Hi Paul, just watching your new video (great job). I did use AF on all 3, Sony improved the AF on the a7riii recently and I gotta say I am impressed how it reads my mind on what to focus on. The Canon did well too, but the GH5 was just ok, not bad but just ok.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado I bet Sony would struggle reading my mind... I don't even know what to focus on! - They are on a roll right now.
Miss you Dave
Haters gonna hate. Dave, as always great video. I like Canon colors but switched to Sony a long time ago.
Good video but maybe a little more time on the GH5 would have been nice.
By the way, I too chose Sony a long time ago. I much prefer to see what my shots will really look like before I press the shutter release.
The warmth in the clip was due to the sun. As you can see in the comparison Canon clip is more sunny than the Sony clip. Loved the colors on Canon
You should take the GH5 out of the title since you didn't actually compare it to anything in this video.
I will change the title.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado GH5 is what brought me here, you still need to change the title
Agree with you on everything you say about these three cameras. Either there is something wrong with your Canon R or it is simply a bad camera. I tend to think it's the latter as aside from the AWB, the way it captures the blue of the water looks completely all wrong, with poor control of highlight gammas and also the entire scene of the full sun lit out-of-water shots.
You know what my favorite camera from this video is? The Canon 5D Mk3. That camera really nails the AWB and has the best color.
Yes I loved that camera, sometimes I think of buying a used one.
Good to see you back. Did you forget to include the GH5 footage? This is all Sony and Canon and why only 1080p? That being said, the Canon colors looked a little warm and I like the Sony colors more and it looks like the Canon colors are slightly more saturated? Have you tested the dynamic range of the Canon and Sony cameras? I think the A7RIII has slightly more dynamic range than the Canon.
I should have mentioned that the GH5 worked great and matched the Sony very well, I guess I didn't mention is much because it didn't have any issues really, it is a great camera. I shoot for slow motion all the time during swim season because I never know when I might want to slow it down in post, the Canon and Sony can't do 4k 60.
Nice video.
The GH5 appeared to be the clear winner, the only one capable of 4K 60p.
I wonder why you didn't comment more on it.
4k isn't just for 4k output either. It allows cropping, close ups, and zooming in post.
Or shoot GH5 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 and match the different color balances in post. You can even do color-balance fades to make the changes very subtle.
Subbed and bell on but still only find out your video is out by seeing the link on the 43Rumors page :/
That's odd, thanks for letting me know.
Why so few GH5 clips?
for 1 negative comment are you ignoring 100s +ve comments? Is that what keeping you away from youtube? Pls post more often. Love your videos.
Hi!
Were you using AWB or AWB-W on the R?
Which ever one was the default, I tried to keep all the cameras on default settings as much as I could on this test.
That would be AWB. I also find that too warm, but it’s designed so. It’s to keep the cozy feel, not to be correct. Canon has both because some like that extra warmth and still use Auto WB, and some, like me, like it to be correct and tweak in post to taste. So the two options are very different. So no fault, it does what it should, but it’s not perhaps what you wanted👍🏽
@@DaveDugdaleColorado awb white priority would've given you the more neutral colors if that's what you wanted. The default awb tends to be warmer. That said, you could've saved a lot of editing time recording in c log and apply a quick lut. That would've been faster than editing an auto image. Plus since the R has such a high bit rate, you can really push the image easily (480 mpbs versus something like 100mbps of the Sony a73).
Hey Dave, don't read comments! You're the greatest reviewer in my books. If you are at all worried about subscribers or views, I think you lost the interest of a lot of people by switching to Resolve. They just have a much smaller user base. It definitely didn't have anything to do with the quality of your work.
What Picture style did you use on the Canon?
The default picture style, just the way the camera comes out of the box.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado Hi Dave, i use the German Language on my Camera so i dont know the english names. But inside the "red" menu there is a point "picture style" i think its on "auto" out of the box but i am not sure. On automatic the Camera will change the Picture fully automatic. And thats terrible. Maybe thats the problem. in my option Neutral and Standard are the best settings.
Martin Hirtreiter good thought. I’m 99% sure I took it off auto and picked standard. I don’t have the camera now to check.
Hi Dave. Most odd. As you know - better than me! - Canon is usually regarded as having good colour (or color!) science (ie looks the way most people perceive color) and Sony often appeared a bit green as they captured more of the gamut - a sort of technical rather than artistic approach. It would be really helpful if you could get your hands on another EOS R - not direct from Canon, of course, and replicate a just a few of the shots.Thanks for posting. BobUK.
I might have to get another one can compare to my old T3i.
Interesting comparison. I'm surprised that you brought the GH5 into a situation like that since I'd be so busy with focusing than getting the shot.
On another note, how do you deal with colour matching in those kinds of situations?
I should have mentioned the Sony and GH5 were easy to match.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado that's quite surprising to hear actually. From what I've heard, standard on the GH5 isn't great but I've not had much time with the GH5 to really know the different profiles.
In fairness, the Eos R is in no way a camera you should be shooting video on, other than vacation footage. You'd think Canon would try to be competitive but they are running their regular "let's protect our cinema line" game. They got good AF though. I might still get a EOS R (at least if they come out with a model with IBIS) - as I have some EF lenses, and I can keep shooting video on my Panasonic G9.
Nice video with out the usual UA-cam hype. I would have to say, however, that many of your comments are based totally on subjective opinions - especially your judgements of which images are too warm and cool. To my eye, the Canon R captures every scene in the sunshine better in terms of color. Sunshine, in real life, warms the colors. They should not be the same as in the shade or under cloudy skies, or indoors. Sony did not pick up that warmth and their WB seems to correct for the actual effect of sunlight warming the colors by making them cooler. In other videos I have seen, this happens with Panasonic as well. And I realize you took some type of measurement in your initial scene where you compare the exposure of the water, but the Canon is clearly overexposed and the Sony underexposed. Having owned both the R and the Sony A7 II, I am not surprised. The Sony underexposed everything by about 1 1/2 stops and the Canon tends to overexposed by maybe a 1/2 stop. I also briefly owned the Sony A7, and that underexposed pretty substantially as well.
You are certainly not an idiot ... I can confirm each dot of your observations.
If the canon was 10bit internally and had full sensor 4k. Geesh... I'd use that any day. It just feels better.
I must say that i prefered Canon colors over Sonys. I own one Sony and i am fine with their colors but i prefered warm look of that Canon R.
where you at brother?
I'm still here, but I might go a different direction soon.
R is just a worse version of 5D IV but with better af.
Hi Dave, shame you used GH5 as click bait?
It's like we're not looking at the same image :) Canon image is way more natural, while Sony one is too cold, or too green, and everything is pretty much dead compared to Canons vibrant image. Those shots you call "too warm" are pretty much spot on, and that old 5D3 material looks like crap :) Maybe you should calibrate your monitor, or buy a better one (calibrated iMac 5k here).
I calibrate my monitor monthly. Interesting that you are seeing it so differently than me.
you are definetly not an idiot hehe... i saw many times this red skin issue in canons :)
No Nikon Z6?
You're certainly no idiot, Dave. As you said, when you have multiple light sources, auto WB can be helpful, especially when you need to deliver the job quickly. Sounds like you ended up doing a lot of post-processing anyways, though. One advantage of using a set custom WB is that once you find the adjustment for the artificial light, or cloud cover, you can set that as a preset and copy it to all affected clips, which is faster than trying to fix auto WB issues that change depending on the colors of objects within the scene. You can even correct transitions from one light source to another by applying the corrections to clips, and fading the clips between each other. Of course, I don't use Resolve, so I'm not familiar with how all this is done. On Vegas, it's drop-dead simple. And the new version is even starting to incorporate Resolve-style color grading tools.
There's undeniable hidden magic to the 5DM3 - always look so appealing and magical. It is so sad that technology many times go backwards as many camera designers are more "engineers" than "working professionals" who are more artsy and aware of color subtleties. This reminds me of the Audio world, where the high-end recording studio still using Neve Pre-amps and consoles from the 70's only because the Sonic quality became only worse through the years.
I was also curious about Panasonic GH5 said very little of, I am always stunned by the GH5/GH5s look. lately, I came across this video which suggest that Panasonic has an "Analog" Sensor in contrast of a "Digital" sensor. which again, reminds me of the audio world: ua-cam.com/video/li3rWqxdggc/v-deo.html
So Canon has 2 AWB options (Ambient and White Priority) and you don't like the one Canon picked out of the box. Got it.
in 1080p? why Dave?
60fps, thats why.
Thanks for answering him, funny I got that question a lot in these comments.
What about photos??
I'm sorry, I am not a photographer.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado i'm also sorry you aren't a photographer...:(
You're definitely not an idiot. People who would say so have a problem. Good practical review.
Looks like Sony is the winner for me.
Sorry you're getting a lot of jerk comments! I get a bunch of them on my channel too. I guess that there are a lot of people out there who think that there's only one way to shoot video and that anybody who dares to try to share something that they're passionate about on youtube, but not done in exactly the same way needs to be punished for their transgressions!
Sometimes it helps me to feel better to go check out the channels of the worst and rudest of them, just to confirm that the vast majority of these "experts" have exactly 0 videos uploaded to youtube.
Anyway, your conclusions in this video seem sound enough - and completely agreed that there are times for "auto" settings. If we all had unlimited time to set up and light every single thing as well as a dedicated focus puller, then maybe there would be no use for autofocus/auto white balance/auto iso... but I like to find cameras where I can reasonably trust the auto settings for times when I'm out vlogging, etc. If not in a controlled/quiet environment, it's way too easy to miss one or two settings and then regret it later.
Don't let the jerks of youtube comment sections get you down too much!
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You are not an idiot.
You must be kidding to upload this video about 4k cams at 1080p? :D
How am I to record slow motion on the Canon and Sony at 4k? Or do you want me to upload a 1080 file in a 4k container? I like many others when shooting sports like to use slow motion.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado The title says that "Comparing _cameras_ for Video" Their strong and main ability is shooting in 4k, so that's why I expected comparing in 4k. Because the high speed ability is actually poor in this type of cams. I think you should add (In slow-mo) to be clear in my opinion. Anyway, thanks for the video, you did a good job.
It is all about colors, so it doesn't matters, though my first reaction was the same :)
If you are only comparing cameras in auto mode, stop right now.
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Changing wb presets means scrolling a wheel. This is being lazy
You can call me lazy if you like. You must be much faster than me filming from sun in to shade and changing the presets along the way.
@@DaveDugdaleColorado I'm worried that you might be serious. On my 5d you press the wb button and select a preset with the thumb wheel. If it takes more than an instant I would be surprised...