Zack Greinke wasn’t being mean to the umpire like people thought, a breakdown
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Props to the banana for unpeeling himself to watch that foul ball.
If that banana unpeeled itself then what would happen if it peeled itself?
@@allanshpeley4284”Sir, there are children here “
See at first I thought he should have said he "peeled himself" but I think "unpeeled" is ok in the case of a man wearing a banana peel costume. Unpeeled would only be wrong if he were actually a banana or the costume was unpeeled and he removed only the banana flesh part of the costume. .
Best part of this video for me, and I love Zack Greinke!
PEELING, DUMBBELL!!!!
He wasn't being mean he was just being Greinke. Gosh I'm gonna miss him when he retires
Miss him on the dodgers
We all will. Sure wish he was with a really good team.
Shit. I lost track of time this year. One thing I wanted to do was catch one of his games.
is it really like grenke to retire?
@@21st6 dude was contemplating retiring to start mowing lawns, yes, it's extremely Greinke to retire
As a very casual fan, this breakdown of what catchers are doing is amazing
I like it when pitcher frame pitchs that has a human element I can understand and can atribute to player ability, I just hate when umps are flatout bad
Same here. I've learned more about baseball from the past 5 years of Jomboy breakdowns than all my 45 years of being a casual fan.
For me it was the banana commentary.
Catchers really run the game sometimes, I know it's a team effort but catchers are always pulling double duty it seems
I'm honestly such a casual I don't know what this means lol.
Why does he tell the umpire he's pitching from the wind up ?
Is it a rule you have to tell them when you do ?
I truly admire Zack Greinke's ability to stay cool under pressure.
He’s a true pro. Elite. I don’t watch baseball anymore so couldn’t even tell you who the top 10 pitchers have been in the league over the last year or decade. However, I used to watch and I’m a sports fanatic, so just from watching the second pitch he made this video, that 91mph fastball, I could really see the difference in skill and execution when Greinke is the one making the pitch. It’s just beautiful as a spectator to Watch him throw a ball. And everything else he does. It’s on another level and if you don’t see it, you gotta watch more players pitch.
greinke built different. touched by tism
@@wingdingdmetrius8025 just tickled by the tism lmao
He’d have to be human to experience pressure 😂
With social anxiety, pitching isn’t pressure-talking to people you don’t know, though? 😨
"Mad for 2 seconds and then focused"
That's true grit right there. Players able to let go, and move on.
the best part lol
we all know that feeling
It’s one of those life skills. You can’t always get what you want. Gotta be able to handle it gracefully when it happens because losing your cool never brings it to you after all.
@@MDK2_Radio Getting mad probably would have made the UMP call against him even more!
Great move by Greinke imo. The slow walk was enough to let the ump know that he fucked up. Then he talks about a completely different thing to not get ejected
But it's entirely possible that he would have acted exactly the same way without the bad call. Greinke doesn't emote, and he needed to tell the ump "windup".
Outrageous missed call.
Greinke rules He's a smart guy in his own world
@@CurtisDensmore1yeah but he doesn’t walk to home plate every time a runners on third😂
@@CurtisDensmore1 the batter would have struck out though for the third out therefore he wouldn't have needed to tell the ump
Second part of this video reminds me of how insane Yadi was at that technique. He'd never even give a target, then be almost in the dugout before the 3rd strike is called.
Yadi is the best catcher I’ve seen in decades. I’m so sad he’s retired. I love watching him play, and hated when my team had to play against him.
I'll always tune in for a Greinke breakdown. He's always fascinating to watch.
I've been watching baseball all my life and played for a good part of it. I had no idea pitchers told umpires when they are going back to the windup with a man on third, let alone that umpires have a universal signal for it. This is the type of content I love y'all for!
Yeah. Its for Balk rules.
Same. Not sure why tho. I mean it should be pretty obvious when they are. I know there are some exceptions where some pitchers have weird windup, and it makes sense in that situation. Haven't seen this guy so idk
Pitchers did not have to “declare” until a few years ago when MLB changed the rule because some umps and runners could not tell what a sideways pitcher would do, windup or stretch. Sideways is pivot foot parallel to rubber in both stances. To tell the truth I haven’t seen a sideways pitcher you couldn’t tell the difference but some umps and runners can’t.
I played baseball through high school we never had to say that, it's incredibly obvious when somebody is doing a windup
@@swagmuffin9000😊 exactly it makes no sense
"Banana unpeels himself" lmao
If "peeling" means to take off a covering material, wouldn't "unpeel" mean to put your peel back on?
Dude....your breakdowns are legit. I watch sports channels to stay up on sports. I watch Jomboy if I want to learn something. I'm a lifelong athlete, played every sport, blah blah blah...But sometimes we don't know what we're looking at. The way you call out specifics in movement and show us what we're looking at... incredible teaching/coaching Jomboy.
Well said sir
Coming to say the same thing. This wasn't just a fun breakdown, this was also very educational.
@@lambert854 Right? It's the details. I know about framing the plate. I didn't know about techniques, starting at the bottom of the zone and moving up to frame.... I'm not a catcher, never been one, but back in my day, I know the general rule was to try to bring your mitt back to center. That's about as much as I knew about it before! 🤣🤣🤣
> I'm a lifelong athlete, played every sport, blah blah blah..
love it
Never was
Greinke is just Greinke. Just the way he is. One of the reasons he's one of my favorite players. Need more eccentric players in the league
He is not eccentric, he is maybe the most introverted player ever. Sometimes this looks a little bit odd.
@@sorenludwig3978 He's both.
@@sorenludwig3978 eccentric means "unconventional and slightly strange". i would say you're own description of him meets that criteria.
his interview before his start in game 7 of the world series with houston is one of my favorite things ever in baseball and it's not even during a game. It's just fantastic.
@@blahblorp9015 yeah I think I was fooled by my mother tongue, in which eccentric has a other connotation.
The breakdown of new catching techniques is great. Before today, if someone asked me to described pitch framing, I would have defaulted to catch the ball -> shift slightly -> freeze. I never would have picked up on the constant upward trajectory you showed here. Really shows that despite being around for over a century, the game is still evolving. Plus your presentation really makes it easy to understand, even for the most casual fan.
I believe the Braves catcher at 5:41 is Tyler Flowers. I'm a father of a collegiate catcher that trains with a former understudy from Flowers and have spent a couple seasons umpiring youth and high school ball. The way that I have described it to catchers is to avoid "Complex Movements". If you move one way (to the ball) then back (to the zone), you're telling the umpire it's a ball. Do a simple movement. Start further out in the direction you expect the pitch to be (in this case down) and catch the ball on your way to the center of the strike zone. If you practice a simple movement enough, it can be hard for the umpire to know where, along that path, you caught the ball.
Not to take anything away from your story but I think that's clearly Sean Murphy. Flowers never caught Collin McHugh.
Zack Greinke is a national treasure
I still suspect that if the Astros hadn't pulled him in Game 7 in 2019, my Nats maybe wouldn't have taken it. At the very least, it would've been closer. Dude had their number all series
Such a weird dude, god bless him
maybe, but the away team won every game in that series up to that point (and Nats obviously ended up winning on the road), so who knows!
Greinke up to that point had been bad all postseason. He never had a good outing in 2019. Game 7 he did, but hitters are now seeing him 3+ times from 6 inning onwards. Given how bad he was previously and how he kept everything under control in game 7... it was a matter of time before he gives up some hits which he did in that 7th inning for the bullpen change. It is very unlikely he was gonna pitch a shutout, so at some point you have to go to bullpen. Astros only scored 2.... Same argument for Rays pulling Snell in 2020. Rays lost but they only scored 1 run, even if they didnt pull snell, was he really gonna pitch a 9 inning shutout? lol
I totally agree and remember that!
I love Zack. He’s only 33 Ks from reaching 3,000! I hope he comes back next year to get to that milestone. The Covid year cost him from reaching it this year. Even if he comes back as a reliever, just come back. It’d be a shame if he couldn’t get there because of that shortened 2020 season.
should be 32
I mean for this reason alone just make sure he gets the K ump, the fans want the milestone. Though Zack would probably say he hasn’t noticed it, he just wants to bat one more time 😂
Salvy defensively has been one of the best catchers in baseball over the course of his career. But as a Royals fan, I can tell you that his framing and how he presents strikes might be the worst part of his game back there, as was presented here. But in his prime, his arm, behind the plate mechanics, and way of handling a pitching staff was all elite. Great breakdown!
Man, that catcher breakdown was amazing. As a casual Baseball fan, this was super enlightening!
The catching breakdown was absolutely spectacular. I would love to see more breakdowns of techniques like this!
I enjoy it when these brakedowns go into the nuance and strategy that I never even realized was a thing before 👍🏼
Two things: 1) I think Greinke's walk was extra slow on purpose and the eye contact said everything he wanted to say. This is called adult stuff and I don't expect most players to get it based off of what we see daily now in the MLB. 2) Salvy is a great catcher but he was not on that pitch and I don't think it's fair to suggest that one pitch is how he catches. There's a place called Catcher's Compass I've followed online for years who has been teaching this newer technique and it works really well for low pitches. Much stronger arm position. Love seeing the game evolve in small ways.
He's ranked 57th out of 64 catchers in pitch framing. Yes he is bad at it, at least compared to players like Sean Murphy, Jonah Heim or Patrick Bailey. That doesn't mean he's a bad catcher, just bad at pitch framing
Perez has been consistently bad at framing through his entire career. I'm not sure if Fangraphs' framing numbers are pitches or runs compared to average or whatever, but his career mark is -113
Salvador Perez by the metrics is one of the worst defensive catchers of all time
Wow, I’ve always known that Salvy was bad at “pitch framing”, but I never really knew what that meant. This was such a great explanation of it with perfect examples. Thank you!
This is an all-time breakdown
Way cooler than I anticipated
And thank you Jimmy for taking it so in depth with the pitch framing. That is what makes baseball what it is. Its all about what you can make the umpire think and call based on body mechanics. It's the little thing that changes baseball
Banana gets my early vote for fan of the week.
Also, note in the framing breakdown, the ump had his hand on Perez's shoulder which may have affected whether he called a ball or strike. Seems like that would make stealing the low strike harder.
We got another one, this is one of the best breakdowns in a while in my opinion. Loved it. Thanks for the work brother
The nuance and small ball are one of the biggest reasons I love baseball.
and these breakdowns are exactly why i 've been following you for years!
Jomboy puts so much effort into these videos and it’s greatly appreciated!
For a novice. What does ‘pitching from the windup’ mean? Many thanks in advance, comment section, for the answer to this most pressing of questions… 😂
TL;DR: pitching from the windup means he's pitching with a full windup, which takes more motion to generate momentum, as opposed to pitching from the stretch, which is shorter. You can look up the Price Rule if you want to know why he has to tell the umpire which position he is using.
In baseball's rules, there are two defined positions for pitchers, which are the windup position and the set position. The windup position would be used if you are pitching with a full windup, which could include things like taking an extra step (back or to the side), raising their front leg higher, or whatever other motion pitchers use to generate momentum. The set position is used if you are pitching from the stretch. This is cuts out some of the motions, making the delivery quicker, and as such, is used when there are runners on base. If you used the full windup while a runner is on first or second they would have a lot more time to steal a base. You can do the full windup if you are not worried about runners stealing, primarily when there are no runners on base or in situations like this with a runner on third. The MLB introduced a rule, nicknamed the 'Price Rule', in 2017 which required pitchers to tell the umpire which position he was pitching from when there is a runner on third. The umpires need to know so they can more effectively determine if the pitcher balked, and this rule was created to make it more clear. There's a lot going on for the umpire to watch out for and balks can be complicated, so they just wanted to prevent the few incidents that may result out of this confusion.
@@cheeseyman101 Thanks man. Did not know this. Always thought you had to pitch from the stretch with runners on
Came to the comments looking for this question. Found it and an excellent answer! Thank you for asking and thank you for answering.
@@cheeseyman101great explanation I never knew this myself, with not being more than a casual fan myself these days... And the whole balk rule --has always been a tough one to grasp, but this makes sense I guess so the umpire knows your intentions.
Idea for a quick YT video, Jomboy walks through what the different stats mean in baseball and their importance. OPS, slugging etc. Would be great.
Really not his style of video. Plus, most viewers would either already know that, or could find that info with a 20 second google search.
All that would do is lead to a bunch of comments that he
A) forgot a stat
B) gave a statement too much or too little importance
C) is talking about things that ruin baseball
If you want to become a billionaire, figure out a valid stat for defense, because all of the ones out there right now don't work.
@@seantimmons5900 "lead to a bunch of comments" presumably after a bunch of views. I, too, endorse the suggestion.
You should go to someone like Foolish Baseball or Baseball’s Not Dead for videos like that.
That's interesting technique on receiving low pitches. Always learned, and taught, catchers on inside pitches (to righties) and pitches up in the zone to wrap the ball (think catching with open glove then rotating the wrist toward the middle of the strike zone). That presents the umpire with knowledge of where the pitch isn't (i.e., past the edge of the glove). We also were taught fewer moving parts is better since the catcher's primary job is receiving. Anything that interferes with that was to be avoided. You present some great examples, though, of working bottom up on pitches low in the zone. Food for thought!
I absolutely love your breakdowns and commentary. Never stop haha
My goat Zack Grienke
Love jomboy breakdowns ✊🏽🙌🏽
"Banana unpeals himself" One of the best lines in a Jomboy video by far
I loved the analysis as usual. I thought you would cover Salve's concussion on the 2nd game with the Royals vs Astros. Initially after Salve was hit, you could still see him blinking and shaking his head. It was only after a couple of batters and concern from Maldonado that the umpire reassessed that he pulled him from the game.
A full segment on catchers framing pitches would be ultra cool; from an ex pitcher in Australia. Love yaw werk, Jomboy.
You are the best. Can't express enough how great this channel is.
Jonbot, dude. You deserve every penny you make. The amount of research and prep you had to do for this short video must’ve been staggering. Great work as always.
I was way more invested in the saga of the banana than the actual breakdown
I was watching the game, Some of the calls by the ump were In the strike zone and weren't called
Hey, so just a heads up: I usually don't watch baseball, but thanks to these neat little breakdowns...now I can talk to my older co-workers and mention some talking points and they always seem entertained/impressed by what I have to say on the matter. It creates the illusion that I pay attention (and are a fan) of baseball...when in reality I'm just a Jomboy fan.
You definitely bring out a super interesting and fun side to baseball, and I think that's invaluable.
Dude...I have never seen another baseball analysist as pure as you. Never. After 60 years of watching the sport, you, my friend, have brought a new perspective of the game to me. Thank you.
I actually really enjoyed this video. Loved the tension buildup of the at-bat and the framing breakdown was super cool.
Banana peels himself 😂
The catcher moving the gloves up is blowing my mind. This was an awesome breakdown.
Bro this is an amazing breakdown dude. Thank you for this
another real breakdown! great job team
Faith restored by a genuine breakdown Jom
That was an amazing breakdown and video. LOVE inside baseball. Well done.
Great breakdown jimmy! Always appreciate your knowledge on the sport!
I love the “pitch framing” stat, its essentially “How good am I at getting away with cheating?” It’s like having a stat in basketball or soccer judging how many phantom fouls were called because the player sold it, or fouls missed because the player didn’t sell it 😂
I wouldn't even call it cheating, it's like selling a foul in Basketball: even if you aren't getting touched if it looks close enough then you'll get the call more often than not
It's more a skill than it is cheating 😂.
Telling an introvert that you have to look them in the eye is the funny part.
Good stuff brother. Look forward to your deep dives…
Wonderful analysis, so many games within the game. Loved the smile between Greinke and Brantley, two great players with so much experience. Maldonado is not a great hitter but he’s got a great eye, very experienced, and can come up big in some clutch situations.
I love greinke
Glad to see baseball can still take forever to get something done even with the new rules
That's a phenomenal video with an extremely high level of understanding pitch framing. Nice job.
Love this breakdown on some finer nuances of the game. As a casual fan of baseball from Australia i don't know about this type of stuff unless people explain it - more please sir.
4:30 bro said he was mad for 2 seconds and moved on, respect
I’m such a greinke apologist, he was my baby when he was with the dodgers
Those 3 years with the Dodgers, he put up amazing numbers. 1.66 ERA in 2015...legend
Dude. You guys make me appreciate the nuances of the game so much more. Keep it up
Just outstanding on the framing discussion….outstanding work..
As an astros fan I miss greinke , All time goat fr . Also I can obviously tell why he was frustrated with the call , As a maldi hater I was actually bothered by the fact that they just gave him that walk, Maldonado doesn't deserve anything being given to him.
I'm just happy to hear that there are Astros fans who don't undervalue Greinke and who hate Maldofato --- signed "With Love from Seattle"
Rare awesome Astros fan
I have never been so interested in a banana…
Might be the calmest and most respectful pitcher I’ve ever seen
Great info here Jomboy! You're the best BB commentator of them all!
What does going from the windup mean?
Its the position hes pitching from , its either a windup or a stretch and they have different uses depending on where the runners are on the bases, in certain situations the pitcher needs to let the umpire know that he is going to do a windup next pitch or they might call a balk
It's the full pre-pitch delivery motion that pitchers use when there are no runners on base. It's the same basic concept (lift/kick leg, stride towards home plate, pitch ball) but the windup starts with the pitcher facing his body towards home...as opposed to the stretch which has the pitcher facing more towards the side. The change in body position makes the delivery motion take longer...so they don't use it with runners on.
Turns out Greinke wasn’t being cranky after all
Been waiting for this to drop 😭 gunna miss this man once he’s gone🥺
Jimmy and team putting in work. Really well put together breakdown and analysis.
That catcher break down was pretty cool. Never really noticed it or payed much attention to it I should say, but it really is an art. As you say the games inside of the game!
Can anyone explain what “pitching from the windup” means
From the windup, with a full motion, is the normal way of pitching. From the stretch means a sort of abbreviated delivery to prevent the base runner from being able to steal as easily.
With runners on base pitchers usually pitch from the stretch. Greinke is unique (in oh so many ways) and goes back to the windup with a runner on third.
@@strange-universeAlways interesting to see how two different people answer the same question differently, correctly, without reading the other's. Good to get multiple perspectives.
Your answer was probably better since I mostly focused on something he didn't technically ask about xD
What does from the windup mean he’s gonna do, like a longer windup before the pitch?
When there's no Runners on base you can afford a longer windup to generate more momentum, but with runners on base the extra time means they would just steal every pitch. So the "stretch" is the shorter pitching motion you use when runners are on base vs the "windup" being the full motion when no one is on
Yeah...he's pitching as if the bases are empty. Not too worried about the runner trying to steal home in those situations.
#1 i had no idea about how pitchers have to inform the umps about the windup
#2 awesome job researching the clips about new school pitch framing.
As an umpire myself, I appreciate the 2nd half of the breakdown. Even with the front camera and the best of angle +slow-motion it's extremely hard to notice. So, I can imagine how hard it is to call this in real time at pro level.
What does pitching from the windup mean?
A pitcher is considered to be in the windup position when he *puts his pivot foot on the pitching rubber and has both shoulders facing the batter to some degree.*
They can pitch from the windup or from the stretch. The poster above me described the windup…The stretch is when they are sideways to the batter with their lead foot out front. From the stretch you are allowed to make pickoff throws to runners on base. From the windup you cannot.
So pitchers pitch from the windup when there are no runners on base since they don’t have to try to keep them from stealing the next base.
Or in Zach’s case he goes to the windup when he has a runner on 3rd because there is slim to no chance they will try to steal home.
@@HomeDefender30 Well the OP comment asked about "pitching from the windup" not the stretch so... Anything outside of that is irrelevant information in context with the question posed.
@@GrammerOfficer well Dick…. If a poster doesn’t know what the windup is, then he definitely doesn’t know what the stretch is, and if he doesn’t know what the windup or stretch is, he doesn’t know what the purpose of either of those starting positions are for.
great camera work and nice editing and superb analysis
That's really nice to see with the catchers not something I had noticed as a casual fan great video.
Part 3 is wonderful work
Beautifully done, jomboy
One of your best breakdowns, and they're all good. Love Greinke being Greinke. And the fortuitous banana boy--"peeling"--great stuff.
Wonderful analysis. These are the little things that make a huge difference.
Fantastic catcher framing breakdown! 🔥
Another quality review from jomboy👍
"it's an art"
These breakdowns are an art. 🏆🏆🏆
Dude, your breakdowns are so good! I would never had even noticed the banana! 😅
Thanks for giving us the breakdown of the art of catching.
Love the break down. As a former ball player, I had no clue catchers do this. Where they make balls look like strikes, amazing.
Amazing breakdown. Always learning more about the game within the game.
All of this breakdown was cool. I like the pitching battle and then I really like when you get into the weeds of technique.
I havent loved baseball in a long time, and probably never will again, but you make me at least happy about it again!! Thanks buddy!! I really love all of your videos!!😁😁🤟🤟
those navy blue Royals unis are 🔥 especially with elements like the gold insignia on Salvy's chest guard
Jomboy and the art of the breakdown is breath of fresh air. Thanks for getting it Right all these year. I’m a day one fan. And I love the game more because of your show brother. Sup Jake, can you make a list of all of jakes different nicknames 😂. Thank you 🙏
Lots of Royals stuff recently. Thanks, Jomboy! About all the excitement I have as a KC fan right now. :(
excellent breakdown. love it.
"Banana unpeels himself." Just when I think Jimmy can't get any funnier, he comes up with a gem.
well done mate... this vid moves into me top 5 jomboy faves,,,
Amazing breakdown Jomboy!
I love the catchers ability to paint the corners... I think the 90s braves need a breakdown like this