What I would say about Loop in OneNote is be mindful how often you use OneNote off-line, in my case a lot, and I do not expect loop real time components to work, but be mindful that they won’t work when you’re off-line.
I agree with everything mentioned in the video. I'm hesitant to roll this out to my organization yet because of these reasons, but also because of security/sharing of components. People aren't sharing safely via Teams and OneDrive (at least at the places I have worked) nor do they understand security of shared files. Most of the time they don't even know how to determine a file was shared! Loop components take that misunderstanding to the next level!
I agree that how the components are stored and share is highly likely to lead to confusion, if not now then at some point in the future when users have ended up with hundreds or thousands of Loop components.
I don't really understand the integration here. To me I've started using Loop exclusively and don't really see the need for OneNote. So why try and weave the two together? Where to contact on i queries for 121 coaching?
Thanks for watching. There are lots of use cases for OneNote where Loop is still not an ideal platform, but if you are able to shift your work entirely into Loop, the Loop app does offer its own advantages. You can find out more about coaching at: brightideasagency.com/engage
4 months, everyone in the OneNote subreddit was bragging about how Loop was going to add automation to OneNote. It really looks as if all it does is things that OneNote already does by itself, but in a way that forces users to make use of their OneDrive. It's the same kind of crap that Microsoft fold in OneNote when OneDrive first came out. And, everyone complained enough that Microsoft went back to allowing the free version to access notebooks stored on the desktop. My guess is that they will eventually do the same thing with this loops thing. You will be able to put a Loop component into a page in a notebook that is stored locally. The component will need to be stored on OneDrive, but it can be displayed in, updated in, and synchronized with the component that is cached locally.
The reality is that many modern experiences in M365 rely upon cloud based storage. It’s understandable that Loop is limited to the web as at its foundation it’s a platform build for collaboration.
@@brightideasagency Funny. For a business that has, you know, actual servers, all the IT dept. has to do is create a shared folder, stick a OneNote notebook in that folder, tell everyone where it is... And BINGO! Collaboration. OneNote literally does an excellent job of synchronizing the cached notebooks of everything using that shared notebook. That was the selling point of OneNote from very early on. If Microsoft's focus truly was "collaboration" they could let you store a cloud, based notebook on any of the cloud services, and let OneNote take care of everything itself. But, some executive figured out that that was a mistake, because it left people less reliant on OneDrive, and less likely to continue paying ongoing fees. But, I get it. If you say anything contrary to the Microsoft taking points, they will cut you off from early access. So, I know you have to pretend that everything Microsoft does is "for the customer." That any limitation is just due to the way the technology works. Completely ignoring that Microsoft made sure that the technology would work that way.
Thanks for watching. This is certainly a significant limitation for those who work with people outside their tenant a lot. Check out my previous video where I considered this issue further: ua-cam.com/video/-MzKCx5A_GI/v-deo.html
It certainly does work ordinarily. Ensure you are using the web version rather than the desktop version of OneNote and check the user accounts align. Otherwise, this may be some configuration oddity for your user/tenant. Does it work for other users in your environment?
What I would say about Loop in OneNote is be mindful how often you use OneNote off-line, in my case a lot, and I do not expect loop real time components to work, but be mindful that they won’t work when you’re off-line.
This is a good and interesting point, particularly with fuller Loop integration ever makes its way to the desktop client. Thanks for watching.
@@brightideasagency and thank you for your videos.
I agree with everything mentioned in the video. I'm hesitant to roll this out to my organization yet because of these reasons, but also because of security/sharing of components. People aren't sharing safely via Teams and OneDrive (at least at the places I have worked) nor do they understand security of shared files. Most of the time they don't even know how to determine a file was shared!
Loop components take that misunderstanding to the next level!
I agree that how the components are stored and share is highly likely to lead to confusion, if not now then at some point in the future when users have ended up with hundreds or thousands of Loop components.
This is half baked shit!
I don't really understand the integration here. To me I've started using Loop exclusively and don't really see the need for OneNote. So why try and weave the two together?
Where to contact on i queries for 121 coaching?
Thanks for watching. There are lots of use cases for OneNote where Loop is still not an ideal platform, but if you are able to shift your work entirely into Loop, the Loop app does offer its own advantages. You can find out more about coaching at: brightideasagency.com/engage
4 months, everyone in the OneNote subreddit was bragging about how Loop was going to add automation to OneNote. It really looks as if all it does is things that OneNote already does by itself, but in a way that forces users to make use of their OneDrive. It's the same kind of crap that Microsoft fold in OneNote when OneDrive first came out. And, everyone complained enough that Microsoft went back to allowing the free version to access notebooks stored on the desktop.
My guess is that they will eventually do the same thing with this loops thing. You will be able to put a Loop component into a page in a notebook that is stored locally. The component will need to be stored on OneDrive, but it can be displayed in, updated in, and synchronized with the component that is cached locally.
The reality is that many modern experiences in M365 rely upon cloud based storage. It’s understandable that Loop is limited to the web as at its foundation it’s a platform build for collaboration.
@@brightideasagency Funny. For a business that has, you know, actual servers, all the IT dept. has to do is create a shared folder, stick a OneNote notebook in that folder, tell everyone where it is... And BINGO! Collaboration. OneNote literally does an excellent job of synchronizing the cached notebooks of everything using that shared notebook. That was the selling point of OneNote from very early on. If Microsoft's focus truly was "collaboration" they could let you store a cloud, based notebook on any of the cloud services, and let OneNote take care of everything itself. But, some executive figured out that that was a mistake, because it left people less reliant on OneDrive, and less likely to continue paying ongoing fees. But, I get it. If you say anything contrary to the Microsoft taking points, they will cut you off from early access. So, I know you have to pretend that everything Microsoft does is "for the customer." That any limitation is just due to the way the technology works. Completely ignoring that Microsoft made sure that the technology would work that way.
❤ many thanks!🙏
Thanks for watching
The promise of integration is the greatest of promises.
Not being able to use it with cold in different tenants or non-MS domains take a look of the utility away :-(
Thanks for watching. This is certainly a significant limitation for those who work with people outside their tenant a lot. Check out my previous video where I considered this issue further: ua-cam.com/video/-MzKCx5A_GI/v-deo.html
Except it doesn’t work - embedding fails every time. MS support still hasn’t resolved the issue in three weeks. 💩 show.
It certainly does work ordinarily. Ensure you are using the web version rather than the desktop version of OneNote and check the user accounts align. Otherwise, this may be some configuration oddity for your user/tenant. Does it work for other users in your environment?
Microsoft - Everywhere and nowhere, all at once.
You have to wonder where Loop would have been by now if the major company wide focus hasn’t shifted to Copilot.
@@brightideasagencyI mean copilot will probably be heavily integrated into loop soon
It already is
@@brightideasagency really? What can it do with loop so far?