Is The Question Finally Answered? 9mm FMJ Flat vs Round Ballistic Gel Test. Which Penetrates More?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Testing some 9mm flat and round nosed full metal jacket to answer the question, once and for all, of which one travels the farthest. Is either one a good option for self-defense during the "ammo shortage?"
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I hunted with the Shawnee Squirrel Hunters for several years until I got too old to climb those ridges. We were always looking for the .22 HP round that was the most accurate and would drop a squirrel right on the spot. Most of us only did head shots. What we found was that a flat nosed .22 round would kill a squirrel about as well as a HP, but a round nose often penetrated and kept going and left a wounded squirrel to get away and die a lingering death.
So you found the opposite results of this video.
@@vmst80 Not at all. Remember, I am talking about squirrels and penetration depth wasn't a consideration. I'm referring to the initial shock of the flat point on a squirrel head. Not much different from a hollow point. But a RN .22 wasn't very effective most of the time.
No question about it now on penetration. I'm going to pull the 90gr Underwood Defender- which penetrates like crazy- out of 1 pistol & save it for my Blackhawk only. Didn't realize Flat point would go that much farther. Your jelly test are helping a lot of us out. Appreciate it.
Definitely confirmed after this. Appreciate you brother!
@@ToolsandTargets I've shot a lot of the 130gr fmjfn in 38 special but it's slower. That 9mm went about 10 inches farther than I thought it would. Over penetration is as bad as under if in a close space. Thanks for the info.
The extreme penatrators are even better for penatration
@@billdye3530 Have you tried the 158gr lead semi wadcutter hollowpoint?
@@jason_m_schmidt622underwood loads that lead semi wadcutter hollow point very well!!!
Jeff Cooper was a vocal proponent of the flat point in .45 ACP. He said all things being equal the flat point penetrated better and had more stopping power. That Winchester USA is loaded fairly hot in that load and is offered in round nose and flat point at a claimed 890 FPS and is not Plus P.
I thought I already gave you the answer, lol, us casters, have known forever, that flat nose cast bullets, in some scenarios are actually better than hollow points, good wound channel, great penetration and usually stays intact. But there is always some expert telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. I dropped two deer within minutes of each other with some of the bullets I sent you, and they didn't move a foot, and that was with a revolver! Just like the tipped core loct, they have to convince people that what they are using is obsolete to sell them something, new and improved and typically more expensive. Good jelly time. Bullet trivia, for $2000.00 ALEX.
Looks like a bear killer to ME!
@@JohnLloydScharf oh baby!
I'm a believer! I gotta set aside some time and make myself load some of them monsters you sent me!
Since I can run across grizzly or moose when I'm up in the mountains, I carry 44 Magnum, 45 Colt, or 454 Casull loaded with bullets I cast from LBT moulds. Big meplats do big damage, deviate less from their path, and aren't easily deflected by bone. My felon-repellent contains a quality hollowpoint, but I wouldn't feel unprotected with FP solids.
@@noahmercy-mann4323 we don't have Grizzlies, here in SC, but an ass load of hogs. Are you from Wyoming? I was starting to think that state wasn't real, never met a soul from there lol. Something is going on, I sell clean lead on Facebook market place, usually sell out within two days, been on there over a week now lots of views but no takers..good shooting my friend.
Completely surprised. Would have insisted the opposite would be the case. Sure appreciate you testing this. Thank you sir.
Same here before I started testing this. Appreciate you checkin it out!
I am surprised as well.
I typically always carry flat nose .380 in my compact pistols because it needs the extra penetration over a hollowpoint in the .380 caliber due to the lower velocity and lighter bullet.
Good choice for sure.👍
You dont need that penetration. Watch his other video. There he got 25-28 inches of penetration with 380 fmj fn. That is clear over penetration!
Most of the higher caliber handgun loads like 10mm, .357, and .44 that are intended for large game/predators such as bears and intended for maximum penetration are heavy grain hard cast flat nose, so this test backs that up.
My M17 was loaded with flat nose, but I live in an apartment. So now, because of your video my M17 is loaded with Remington UMC 115 gr 9mm JHP. I can't wait to order more for the range. I know shooting JHP for practice can be expensive but all 9mm ammo is not the same, and I do think it is a good idea to shoot in practice what I would use for actual self defense. Great video Tools!
Thank you sir. Agree about practicing with what you carry. There's a huge difference in the feel of different ammo.😎👍
Just remember that you have to hit your target; otherwise if you hit drywall, a JHP will clog and behave just like ball ammo…
It's because of turbulence causing suction. The RN sends the displaced medium straight to the tail where it swirls and "sucks" on the bullet.
Flat nose displaces the medium further away from the bullet and there's less turbulence at the tail.
Good to see other people who understand turbulence and tissue displacement... 👍🏼
What really stops them short as round nose tends to tumble and flat doesn't.
Sounds plausible...🤔
Been using a 9 as a flopper stopper and a snake gun in South Texas for a couple years now. Round nose fmj just tends to poke holes. Flat nose disrupts more tissue, causes more damage and kills quicker. The difference in even just a skinny rattler is dramatic.
The flat nose is probably the reason for the performance of the Punch. You said we would have to trust you and take your word for it. What if I have trust issues? Lol 😆
Seriously though, that was a great comparison.
😂😂😂 I wouldn't blame ya! I'd say the flat nose for sure has something to do with the Punch doing what it does after seeing these tests.
I have always been told that the flat nosed rounds basically push a small pocket of air in front of them. When shooting jell, the air splits the jell and lets the bullet contact the jell less, giving less resistance and better penetration. It’s an anomaly that doesn’t translate to shooting something more solid. At least that is what I heard over the years.
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On living flesh a flat nose stays it course better. Round nose has been tracked and found to take the path of least resistance, following the folds in muscle and running between muscle and bone. Flat nose stays more straight and cuts through tissue more and breaks bone more than running between the muscle and bone.
Seems that way yes. Flat nose bullets also transfer more energy onto the target than round nose. So those who can't carry or can't get hollow points, flat nose should do them a better job at stopping the threat than round nose.
You may be on to something
@@sokyoutdoors588 sounds good too
Great test. I have long wondered about the penetration 9mm flat vs round nose. Thanks for your channel !!
Thank you sir. Appreciate you checkin it out!
Absolutely confirmed. That’s the same projectile Winchester uses in its Active Duty line and at 1330 fps its a scorching round. Called the Modular Handgun line usually in #100 or #150rd boxes. The flat 👃 nose absolutely penetrates better than “ball” round nose. I shoot bowling pins once a week and you can’t use anything smaller than a 9mm due to ricochet. If I couldn’t carry a conventional jhp, I’d carry that modular line, no doubt.
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Buffman Range did a gel test with those and the penetration was insane. Out of a 16 inch carbine was just ridiculous.
If you used that ammo for defensive use you'd be placing anyone anywhere near being down range in great danger.
@@chuckhaggard1584I use it for woods defense
I'm afraid to use that stuff and cause unnecessary wear on my firearm
Glad I learned something new. Didn’t know that they made 115 grain flat nose. I checked all mine and they are 147 grain. Good video!!
Thank you brother!
I did expect the flat nosed round to make a larger wound channel but I am surprised with the length of travel, every time 😂.
It just kept on goin!
The flat nose bullets penetrate better because they cause cavitation around the bullet, the only thing in contact with gel is the small flat on the nose, causing minimal drag. The cavitation is confined to just around the bullet, it doesn't create a giant cavity like a hollowpoint or rifle round would, which immediately dump all their energy right after impact, the FMJ FN dumps it's energy slowly and consistently. It's the same principle with those new rifle rounds designed to shoot into water, only the tip of the bullet contacts water while the rest of the bullet travels through a bubble of vacuum. As soon as it slows enough to contact the ogive it rapidly slows down and then quickly dumps it's remaining energy. Round nose bullets have a much larger contact area on the nose causing a lot more drag, which is why it leaves larger but shorter wound cavities. If you graphed out the velocity of either bullet from the moment of impact, the RN would quickly arc down with a radial curve all the way to the bottom, while the FN would have a longer, less steep and more linear line, with a rapid drop-off curving down at the end.
I was figuring there might be something to it when you did the .380 test but not like this, that was really something else. I never would have thought them flat nose would blow right on through both blocks like that. I don't have any boxes of flat nose but I will grab some now after seeing this test. Impressive to say the least, have a good one my friend and I will see you on the next one.
Yeah, I didn't expect this drastic of a difference either. To still have enough energy to lodge itself into that log after 32 inches of gel and a few folded towels is pretty impressive.
Very interesting !! Never would have thought that flat bullet would d that !! Thanks for the video !!
Thanks for checkin it out. It surprised me too!
Counterintuitive to me.
In a 45 ACP the Winchester USA Ready 230 grain FMJ flatnose penetrated 2 pieces of plywood and 6 water jugs. I should have used more jugs. The FMJ FN also tracked in a straight line. That flat nose bullet gave amazing penetration compared to a 230 grain Hornady XTP that stopped in the 3rd jug after going through 1 piece of plywood. The XTP is pretty good penetrator because it has controlled and moderate expansion. I share this to say my 45 ACP tests also validate the extreme straight line penetration of a flat nose bullet compared to a HP with a moderate mushroom. We already know from this test that flat nose out penetrates a round nose. However when comparing a flatnose to a moderate mushroom we are seeing twice the penetration. The FMJ FN would be one of the best choices for bear defense without going to hard cast lead bullet. In moist and hard packed reams of paper this same 230 grain flat nose out penetrated the Underwood 255 grain hard cast bullet, likely due to a little smaller flat meplat than the hard cast bullet.
Plus the flat nose would have more "smack" than the round nose. More shock on target.
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This is science at work. You know I never really thought about the rounds I would pick up until I found you. All the tests you do make me think and do more research than I ever have. I know everyone says “well maybe if you did this or that” it doesn’t matter because we are all armchair scientists just trying to understand what we just saw. Thank you again and again for what you do Tools 🛠. Long live jelly time 🔫💨🍮 can’t wait for the tee shirt 🤪
Really appreciate that. I love doing this stuff to see what the different rounds do. It aint the perfect controlled situation of a lab, but it definitely gives ya some decent info to go with. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for another FMJ gel test. Watching this confirms my favorite choice in the truncated cone FMJ as a general purpose round.
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Flat point indeed do penetrate more than round nose. That’s why hardcast hunting rounds for revolvers are all flat point. Nice video. I’ve got some nasty hard cast flat point loads for my 45 colt, and 44 special.
Thank you sir.
Reading the comments, it's sad how little people know about established wound ballistics science.
Elmer Keith was preaching flat nosed bullets for extra penetration against very large game back in the 1920s and 1930s.
210 gr.almost Wadcutter non Expanding 41.REMMAG.1100fps.Police Load..By Mr.Kieth.js.
Another excellent video which proves that the truncated bullet will penetrate deeper than a round nose bullet positively. I believe you have proved this now beyond the shadow of a doubt. Excellent workmanship sir!
Thank you my friend!
Yes in jelly. The question is will it be the same in flesh?!
@@Gieszkanne The whole point of jelly is that it's the same consistency and density as flesh. And based on the irl wounds I have seen, and gel tests. Yes, behavior in gel is indicative of how it will behave in flesh
@@Warriors9429 Its not nearly the same as flesh. I have seen a video where someone shot gel with a sharp hunting arrow. Only 3 inches penetration. Then he said that with the same arrow from the same distance he shot a hog and there the arrow went through the whole body. I also have seen bird shot tested at a real meat target. That looked nasty while in gel not so much.
@@Gieszkanne arrows =/= bullets Sir. I'm telling you, I've literally seen people get hit with certain projectiles. There is a reason the FBI designed and formulated ballistic gelatin, because the results between it and flesh are comparable when using bullets. Arrows use a completely different method of wounding, that typically being cutting if using something like a boradhead. And arrows are not even exceeding 700 Feet Per Second. Bullets on the other hand can exhibit fragmentation, expansion, tumbling, hydrostatic shock or some combination thereof. There are way too many gel tests, and human body analog tests that exhibit the same wound profiles that we see in real life for it to 'not' be comparable
No surprise here. I've reloaded lots of hard cast SWC bullets over the years with great success. Mostly in .45ACP. My Glock 19 9mm is currently loaded with S&B 150gr flatnose @ my bedside. Nice to see the proof. Great video.
Thank you my friend!
I love those 150gr 9mm. I shoot them out of a p229 with liberty mystic X suppressor and they're stupid quiet
I know a year ago but ya gotta consider penetration when using any FMJ in home defense scenario. It’ll go thru walls, both yours and your neighbor’s…..
Thanks for posting. That P80 looks almost identical to the one I lost in a recent boating accident! :) I really like that rascal.
Those pesky boating accidents!
Who would have thought it. That’s a great informative video. Like always a great video Man. Thanks
Thank you sir. It was pretty surprising.
Flat nose penetrates further than round nose. Counter intuitive but that why these tests are important!
This is why we do the test. I’m really surprised with the results. Thanks Tools
Pretty surprised to see em blow right through all of that myself.
I read a article about flat nose being used for bear and hog defense. I think underwood was one of the flat nose for bears and large animal stopping power. It’s nice to see it with your eyes compared to reading about it!
It would get the job done.😎👍
Thanks for that Mr. T & T. That was a real eye opener. I'm 73 and never considered anything such as that.
Thank you sir. Pretty interesting stuff.
Maybe Santa will bring you a couple more Gel blocks for Christmas this year! :D I can tell you a 32 wad cutter will go right through 6 water jugs but a 32 round nose stops in about 4 or 5! I know the 147gr 9mm is usually flat nose fmj too, so this is good information because sometimes you might need that penetration esp if a barrier is in the way! Have a good one! 💥✌👍
The flattys keep on truckin!
I have a few boxes of 142 grain Fiocchi .357 mag, FMJ flat nose rated at over 1400fps. I bet they'd barely notice a couple blocks of that gel. Nice definitive answer at last, nice video.
They'd cut through it like a hot knife through butter!
I had those for my Ruger GP100 6" stainless & those suckers passed through old car parts that my Glock19 & Glock22 bounced off of. They're rated at 1,420 fps but I was getting 1,570+ fps. I wish I wouldn't have wasted them because now I can't find them.
Nice.
Great test .It might be a part of the reason the 22 punch is so successful.
I think you're right. Thank you sir.
I used to wonder about this every time I was browsing ammo online. Great video!
Great comparison. You are answering all the questions I had about different kinds of ammo. Thank you.
If I start hanging out where the bad guys are over 32 inches thick, I'll get some of these flat nosed rounds FNJ (Flat Nose Jacket)!!!🤣👍
Thick boy badguys!😆
Your test are very helpful in selecting my carry ammo. Thanks for taking the time to test all the different choices! You are the man!!
Appreciate that my friend. Glad I can halp a little!😎
@@ToolsandTargets Between you and Who Tee Who I don’t have to test anything myself. Lol
We learn more about ballistics and what to expect from designs.
What Might be interesting is to do a test thru a few boards, to see which go deeper thru a more solid object. It is strange that a flatter surface travels farther than a more pointed surface thru anything, IRONIC.
Yeah, I picked up some even stronger flat nose stuff today from RK. Definitely more tests to come.👍
"It is strange that a flatter surface travels farther than a more pointed surface thru anything, IRONIC." - I think gel may be a special case as the round nose has more side surface for the gel to grab onto. I am not sure it will carry over to other materials of lower adhesion.
That's a good idea tools, Do a little series with the 380 and 9mm with each one. Do a board test, a drywall test.
Very interesting. From normal logic I thought and maybe most will that a roundnose has less resistance and more penetration. I would like to see an explanation for this. A test with more contrast would be also interesting. 38. special lead roundnose against wadcutter. Here the tip is completely flat. But its hard to find a comparable load. wadcutters are load weaker normally and only 148gr in weight instead of the regular 158gr.
Wow. I am not sure how I missed this video. This gives a strong answer to a question many of us had.
It would be interesting to see how the 147g flats preform in comparison with the lower velocities.
Seems when I see flats they are heavy and I tend to avoid heavy loads bc of the reduced velocity. Which may be a benefit here.
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147 grain flat points moving slower probably behave like 230 grain .45. Due to their lower velocity and greater mass, they have a greater opportunity to dump all their energy in the target and not over penetrate.
You should try the Winchester 115 gr. “Service Grade” fmj’s. They are flat nose and +p. Better use another catch block. Great video as usual.
Yep, I think you proved that flatnose penetrates more than round nose. Thanks for the video 👍👍
Not much doubt about it after this one.👍
Thanks! This answered my previous question about the flat fmj.
Very interesting stuff!
i had ta watch this again. still trying to make sense of it. i have to conclude that the flat tip would be a good option for defense against large dangerous game
This whole flat/round thing surprised me.
@@ToolsandTargets it's like it defied the laws of gravity. you're still looking for a 22lr to outdo the federal punch. in doing this video now ya might have ta find something to out do the 9mm flat tip. honestly now i'm wondering about a buffalo bore against the flat tip. i bring this up because i once saw a video, cant remember the channel where the guy was testing a round called the extreme penetrator, which got bested by some brand of 115 gr round nose fmj. just some food for thought lol
Excellent experiment / Video. Flat Nose are Gyroscopically more stable because the Center of Gravity is more towards the front. Round Nose bullets have their CG towards the rear and waste more energy tumbling
I know FMJ is not recommended for self defense but it's better than a pocketknife if that's all you have. I like to keep a box of flat nose FMJ around technically for that purpose, but I got the 9mm 147 grain flatnose hoping penetration would do well and the flatnose would do dome damage if I happened to have to shoot a hog in the woods one day. In the woods I still carry hollow points but still like to have some solids in my pocket too. That's with any caliber too.
The Flat Nose FMJ seems to be the same bullet loaded in the blazing M1152 that Winchester makes for the US Military. This can be found at Academy and online. Makes perfect sense that US went to a Flat Point from the 124 grain NATO. Better Penetration against light armor.
Absolutely.👍
just yesterday i did my own little test. i had an average 115 gr fmj round nose and a federal american eagle 147 gr flat tip fmj, of course both 9mm. i think the flat tip was a little slower than the round nose, but not by much. all i had to shoot in to was a big box of computer paper i got from a dr's office that was remodeling. i was fairly surprised that the 115 gr round nose penetrated a good inch and a half further than the flat tip. but what was even more surprising was how much both fmj bullets were mangled up. i mean, they didnt flatten out like an hp but they certainly changed appearances. as i had mentioned before it would be interesting to see you do some of these penetration tests with a different medium. say stacks of paper or paper plates.
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Another great video! I am wondering, though, I've heard that using fmj rounds for defense is a bad idea (for obvious reasons). "They" say, "You'll kill someone in the next room...", or, "...your next door neighbor...". That being said, have you (or anyone else that you know of) ever chronographed a fmj "pass through" from a 16 inch gel block to see just how fast it's still going? I mean, if it's slowed down to just a few hundred fps, it won't kill a bystander, but it would definitely leave a mark. Just curious is all (Personally, I load out with Federal HST's, but that's just me).
Thank you sir. The whole overpenetration and hitting a bystander in a self-defense situation is ridiculously overblown. and has no actual real-world evidence to support it in the slightest.
Appreciate the reply! That’s kinda what I figured, but I’m sticking with my HP’s!😄
I noticed the same thing with my Glock22 40s&w the ammo is almost always flat nose & zapped through some gel I had. It was the American Eagle 165gr going at 1,130 fps I tested.
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Thanks for sharing your observation. The result is definitely surprising to me.
Awesome test that answered a few questions I'd had. Thank you so much Sir!👍
Appreciate ya watching!😎👊
It's jelly time.
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I know this is an older video that I am just getting around to, but I wonder if the RN bullets are tumbling or destabilizing. It just seems odd to me that the FN can displace more tissue and penetrate further unless they are just more stable. I know it isn't unusual to see RN bullets tumble and/or veer off, whereas FN bullets in any caliber are preferred for linear penetration. I can only attribute the better performance in both disruption and penetration from the FN to superior stability.
LOL looks like that tree in the background took a few too many rounds! Great test, I had no idea how over penetrating the flat nose actually were.
Yeah it did!
Even before knowing any results I don't know why but I've always liked flat nose over round nose. Great test!
Thank you sir. This flat nose stuff didn't wanna stop!
Just what I was needing to know Y’all!!!
Well. No doubt now. Might take an aircraft engineer to explain it, but flat nose does go further better. Love it.
Pretty interesting stuff. My guess is the flat nose is causing a pressure bubble type of thing goin on in front of the bullet pushing the gel out of the way before it touches the gel, so it has less resistance going through than the round nose which is basically poking through and getting more gel resistance
Correct me if I'm wrong but that Federal punch you love so much in 22 long rifle is also a flat nose which would explain why it goes so much further than anything you put it against
It is. I think you're right on that the flat nose definitely has something to do with it.👍
I’m guessing there’s more drag along the round nose, vs flat nose which may make a cavitation around the front which means less drag? The navy has done similarlwork doing a ‘cavitation’ around a torpedo that increases its speed…
Based on this, it would be interesting to compare all 3 against each other:
Round nose vs wadcutter vs semi-wadcutter.
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Would you consider testing the 45 ACP Winchester USA Ready flat nose in gel? I would like to see how it compares to other ammo in gel.
Appreciate it. I would have thought for sure that a flat nose bullet had more resistance and less penetration even with a bigger wound track.
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You would think the round nose would penetrate more with the sharp tip. I got the same results when I did the same test a nother thing the flat nose does better is track straighter. I think the pointy nose let's the projectile deflect and swerve around loosing energy and shoot out the side of the block. That's why hard cast projectiles have such a flat nose they penetrate deeper and straighter they don't swerve around vital organs.
Its nice to see a "clear difference/winner," in these kind of tests, at least as far as penetration is concerned.
Great test. Great video as always. Thanks Tools
Thank you sir!
Absolutely fantastic video thank you, very much that clear ballistics gel is really nice 👍👍
Thank you sir. I gotta order some new blocks this week. These are finally starting to get cloudy.
Thanks Tools, awesome test again. Appreciate your work.
Appreciate that!
Jelly time answers the eternal question - round or flat nose rounds. Great testing and that you for the answer Tools!!!🎩☯️♠️🏁
Thank you sir. I thought this one was really interesting!
@@ToolsandTargets know I know why there's so many companies that offer the .38 special, .357,.40 cal, and some 9mm in a flat nose slug.
this surprised me i would off thought the other way around great job tools
Same here until I started testing these things. Thank you sir.😎
An amazing test that truly educates. Outstanding, please keep it up.👍👍
Thank you sir. Appreciate the support!😎👊
As a specialty Hunting/Wilderness Defense Bullet series Inventor, LEO, Soldier, and Hunter/Outdoor Actives Person, my experiences are that in a Handgun for most defensive applications, especially against thick-skinned/fur/muscle/bone apex predatorial beasts like Bears and Wild Boars your best bet is to use a Flat Nose bullet.
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Flat pointed projectiles crush and tear causing far more traumatic wounds then a round nose, which tend to stretch blood vessels before they break. Causing less trauma and less blood loss.
Both are generally target ammo, but flat nose is also considered "tumble upon impact" in self defense scenarios. If that hits a rib or anything that changes trajectory slightly the tumbling at that velocity will be devastating.
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False. Flat nose bullets tend to not yaw, or "tumble", and track straight, thus giving more penetration. That'd wny guys like Elmer Keith used SWC bullets on large game, and why outfit's like Buffalo Bore make flat nose hard cast bullets for use in defense from large animals or hunting. RN and spitzer bullets tend to yaw.
That is too cool. Only thing I can think of is that the flat nose have less friction on the nose as opposed to the fmj? Other than that, very cool Tools!!! Thank You Sir!
I was pretty impressed at the difference.
It makes sense since there's a couple companies that manufacture 9mm cartridges for bear defense and they also use flat nose. Additionally I remember watching another video that showed flat vs round shooting at a target with with leaves, branches, tall grass in-between and the round nose bullet would almost always go off target and miss the flat nose would act like there was nothing but air. Flat would probably be over penetration in almost all scenarios except a skull of a large powerful animal tho. And even then 9mm probably isn't the best option no matter the cartridge....but if it's the only gun ya got...well it's what ya got.
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I was actually wondering about this very concept the other day!
Knowing is half the battle!😉
Great jelly time Tools happy you done this Test the flat nose definitely performs better than Round nose Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
Thank you sir! This one was definitely proven true!
Do you think that has a lot to do with the punch 22? Why the penetration is so good? Another great informational video. Thanks tools!!
I'd say it definitely has something to do with it. Appreciate the comment!
I've bought some Winchester 9mm 115gr in a brown box called Service Grade flat nose. That was a hot round in my compact 9. Not again. Saving it for use in my Ruger PCC instead. Would this stuff be the same as some +P NATO ammo? It's not listed on the box as +P .
Sure would have thought the flat nose would do better than the round nose. Thanks for the video
Appreciate you brother!
Just found your channel and had to Sub. I realy realy like your FMJ tests. FMJ data is hard to find because everyone wants to test the latest and greatest HP. I would like to see the FMJ tests because its what most poeple stock up on. Been getting the job done in Chicago for years.
Really appreciate the sub! FMJ can definitely get the job done. Interesting tests to be done on it too.👍
And also the Sig Elite Performance .380 Flat Snoz bullets punch through shit like its barely there. Ill tell you one of my range day tests. I sat a cinder block up and wanted to see what my P320 .45 would do with 230GN FMJ, and my LCP Max .380. The .45 slug didnt go through but made a huge crater. Next came the .380 and on the 1st shot, it broke the block. Its crazy that people bash the .380 like its unworthy as a self defense round. But i would GLADLY trust my life AND my familys life to the .380 ACP.
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Flat nose. Huh! Surpriseing. Thanks for the videos. Fun to watch.
Thank you sir. Interesting stuff.😎👊
Great video test. And needed. No matter how hard you try to explain to some folks that the flat nose hard cast ammo is for bear and hog because it does more damage and absolutely penetrates further, they refuse to believe. Seeing the identical round nose stay in the gel while the flat nose blew through and knocked the stump off the table makes it pretty clear. And that’s just little 115 grain 9mm! You may have saved a few skeptics from becoming bear food, lol.
Nice 700-800 ft lb 10mm flat nose coated hard cast is the way to go for a decent capacity semi auto. It’s no 500 magnum, but my EDC G20 with the Pearce ext is an easy way to carry 18 rounds of 10mm. Plus mag changes are fast. My 500 S&W PC holds 5 shots and even the speed loaders take longer than a mag swap. Granted it is a cannon.
Keep these types of head to head tests coming! Loving the channel 👍🏽
Thank you sir. Good point on the capacity.😎👍
You should try to get your hands on some Winchester active duty also know as m1152. It’s a 115gr flat nose moving at a smoking 1320fps out of a 4.5” barrel. It’s one of the military’s new 9mm rounds they had made for the pistol trials and has been adopted and now issued.
That round is no joke from the test I’ve seen it does some serious damage and penetrates a mile. Looks like it around be a decent round to carry in the woods in a sidearm.
I'll have to check that out.👍
Awesome been wondering myself about flat nose vs round nose for hiking purposes!!
Pretty interesting results.👍
@@ToolsandTargets Thanks for the time and effort we really appreciate it!!
Keep up the good work Tools👍..As usual good test & a great video.Top Notch!!!
Thank you sir!😎👊
Very interesting. Wondered why military used the 115flat nose. Now i know. Just recieved 135grain flats noses. Sure they will do pretty well also.
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Interesting! I would have thought the flat nose would have more resistance and less penetration.
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The Meplat has a 90* cutting shoulder.this in .357 is My Defense Bear load.
I suppose if your target were wearing a lot of heavy Winter clothes, such that a hollow point might get clogged up anyways, a flat nose will at least penetrate and poke a hole all the way through.
Makes me feel better about the 38 special flat nose being all i could find for my Ruger.
Yep, You aint gotta worry about these things not going far enough for sure.👍
@@keithgraham9547 hollow points getting clogged with fabric can and does happen.
In which case, it may not expand and therefore is the equivalent of an fmj.
I never said; stop.
I said clog up the hollowpoint.
@@keithgraham9547 okay. Thanks.
Great video my friend! However, it’s my opinion, my neighbors might appreciate me using a round nose for ‘home defense’. Lol! Keep ‘em coming brother!!🇺🇸👍🏻
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Normally a flat nose will out penetrate a round nose. The guys that hunt big dangerous game with handguns speak with One Voice on that subject. Hard-Cast Flat nose heavy-for-caliber is a reliable formula for penetration.
I believe it was the flat nose on the 22 punch, that made it such a good preformer! Same with this test also! I'm sold, flat nose by a mile!!
Flat noses rule the world!
Maybe you should do a3 way comparison fmjrn, fmjfn, hp. Then send the result to NJ so they can see and maybe remove the. HP ban
That HP ban is one of the most ridiculous things ever. Ignorant politicians.😣
The reigning 22 LR penetration champion, the Federal Punch, is flat nose? Coincidence? I think not. There's only one possible explanation: flat nose bullets are magic.
Flat is where it's at!😉
The round bullet allows less cavitation which means friction is going to slow it down faster .
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