I Can't Believe I Took This Much Weight Out Of My Boat!!! Lead Acid VS Lithium Batteries
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2020
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I've been meaning to make this video but I needed more time to use the batteries, and I had a terrible day of fishing so here it is. Hope you enjoyed! I'm off to catch some musky.
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Mark your calendar Matt, do a 6 month, 1, 3, and 5 year, etc. review on these batteries.
Be nice to see how they hold up over time
Great break down and review. Thinking about making the switch for sure
Good Lord Matt! What a massive weight difference!! I'm always bummed out when I'm fishing at Hunting Run and I can't move as fast as I'd like.. this would knock so much weight off the boat.. Thank you buddy!! Rockin Awesome Dude! Glad you're off to catch some Muskie.. looking forward to that footage Bro! 👊💪
Thanks for the video! Definitely a long term/short term question......they do make sense! Be safe.
Great info. Going to be reconsidering batteries this winter in the Tracker. Lithium sounds great, don't know if I can or want to afford the up front cost though.
Definitely averages out to where it seems like there’s no negatives to the Lithium batteries. The price (up front) is a lil shocking, but more than well worth it looking @ the overall picture! Another awesome breakdown Matt & thanks for the review and information!
Valuable, concise, relevant information..thank you.
i like the quick cut editing; the video moves right along with no wasted moments.
great review. thank you
Thank you soooo much for this video always wondered about the real difference between the two
Yeah man lithium is for sure the way to go. Its easy to get scared off by the price though. Im currently building an all electric jon boat, overall weight is key. Great video man, and informative
Thanks for the breakdown, certainly learned something. Totally worth the investment if one has the cash, but I feel batteries are on the end of the list of upgrades. Probably worth putting some cash away over time, because of the long-term benefits you outlined. On a side note, I received my cool "SB Fishing Leather Patch Snapback" in the mail today. I did not upgrade to a lithium battery after watching this video, but at least upgraded my fall fishing hat haha.
Thanks for the info I have 2 lead-acid on the driverside of my boat for trolling motor. So when I sit in driver seat the boat leans pretty hard lol. Something to definitely think about
Could save yourself 90 lbs 🤷🏻♂️
2nd! Good video on the batteries...might have to switch up my trolling battery for a lithium...tight lines brother!
Highly recommend it
Think y'all may be in for some ACTION this wkend :) Just Sayin'!!!! --- Let's Gooo! Thought this piece to be awesomely great. The comparison and assessment (since you have experienced both!) just brilliant and well thought out (which ya planned!). Honestly --- the costs comparison is the hard one to deal with but ... as with any "equipment", you save up to enhance! Whether it be a "graph", trolling motor, boat motor, seats ... all upgrades/enhancements. Lump sum is the key... the lithium bats -- huge!!! But, if I remember correctly -- a few times during the 50 State Tour (also few other instances), Battery Charging was an issue!!! Making the planned event -- a reduced outing!!! Huh? The Lithium Batteries would have made a huge difference and probably wouldn't have created the same result! (ummm, we loved it anyway! :) Down Time vs Up Time, Stress/Concern/Worry!!! All big factors. ---- So, buy history and your comparison ... As an Upgrade --- The Lithium Batteries are a WIN WIN in all aspects!!!! With "YOUR" 10% available discount --- what a deal!!! #DakotaLithium Be Safe
U seem like a straight up guy Ive been wacthing your channel for awhile nice review. 👍
Thanks for the video and the discount code... Saved me 10%
This guy has the best reviews on UA-cam
Great review,super helpful and I will definitely be making the switch, I don’t care about price I need peace of mind I can go all day without them dying 😂🤣
Nice video very informational… what battery do u recommend to run some led lights? Like 6 of them
Just purchase the dakota lithium 12v 54ah battery from the link. Thanks for the info and the discount! This video was helpful.
I think they're well worth the price. Especially running a 10 ft pelican with no outboard. I'm going to invest in one for sure!
You help me so much with fishing
Glad to help my friend.
After 2 back surgeries this is the battery I will be buying next. Thank you for the review.
any reason why you didnt go with a single 24volt? i cant decide which one to buy
Hi great video and dig your channel- quick question I have Minkota 55 on stern and 30lb motorguide on bow both 12V - currently use 1 lead for both with 1 backup in boat for long day - do you think 2 12V 54AH lithiums get me through long day - or do I need the 100AH?? Typically fish MD Res. - Rocky and Tridelphia - thx
I'd recommend going with the 100ah. The two 54s would most definitely work, but the reason I'd go with the 100ah is because then you're not draining one of your batteries all the way down every trip. hope this helps.
What about the AH drop? using 54 AH vs the walmart batteries are in the 90 AH to 100AH. There will be a difference in the run time. Also reading the 11 warranty it only covers defect. I bet if you use them like normal you will need to replace them every 4 to 5 years max.. When I was dealing with my boat dealer he sold both. Said stick with AGM. They are only seeing 4 years use for the high price of Lithium. The Batteries I use offer 30 month free replacement. I see the Lithium as a plus for weight but not much more.
i have a one man creek boat with a 30lb thrust 12 volt motor and the 24 size wal mart lead acid battery i was going to buy a light weight lithium battery because my boat is only 10 ft long but it's working out ok for now , i do want a lithium battery but how much does one 12 volt lithium batt cost and where do i buy one , i'm in n.c.
So I assume you can also run the outboard off of lithium as well? I have a 130hp evinrude. How would I know what the lithium equivalent be to convert? I currently run everything off of my deep cycle battery (lights, radio, starting…). Would there be any issues converting completely to one of these Dakota Lithiums?
Cranking batteries should be lead acid chemistry. Your engine might need an instant 300+ amps when you hit the key.Note....CCA Cold Cranking Amps rating. A lithium battery BMS internal unit will cut off the battery at over 100 amps draw. Its made to protect the battery from over charge, low voltage, or excessive current. Lead acid is stupid proof for cranking.
Also, the engine's alternator may very well overheat and burn up as a lithium battery has very low internal resistance. You can slam them with heavy charging amps right to the BMS limit. Lead acid batteries recharge much slower and are easy on the alternator. So lithium batteries are great for long periods of discharge and will recharge very quickly.
Which battery would be best for run my fishing found off my kakay
"I can't believe, I took so much money out of my bank account " 😅 😆 😂 🙃
I have a 44lb. thrust trolling motor on my canoe, so I would only need the one battery; right? Do you have to leave the batteries on the charger until you use them again or just top them off and disconnect until ready to use again?
What size boat and trolling motor you running these on ?
Hey Matt, long time sub. We are going to be taking a trip to Virginia November 18th to the 25th. We will be staying at a Lake house on Smith Mountain lake. Would you happen to know a guide you would recommend for stiper and small mouth bass in that area? Your help would be greatly appreciated!
Where us the link for.10%off. Where do u get.the 24v package
Good info, bro. The weight is my issue. I'm an ol' guy...lol
i seen the battery ad on facebook had to come say HI
What was your reasoning for two batteries in stead of one 24V?
I have a new 24V 54 amp Dakota lithium but it won’t turn on only when hooked up to a charger, what am I doing wrong or forget to install
Hey Juan, you shouldn't have to turn anything on. What are you running off of it? Is all of your wiring set up right? If you have a multimeter, check the battery out.
Question can I run my trolling motor and fish finder on 1 lithium battery??
Can you use them for a starting battery or for electronics
What are you running in your kayak with the MinnKota in it for a battery. That’s a 12 or 24 volt trolling motor ?
12v trolling motor. I’m using a 100ah Dakota
Hey man can you put that kayak or John boat of yours in little occoquan run and go up in the rocks I caught 2 7s and a lot of 3s plus some other ones
Hey if you make another cross country trip; let me know and I'll take you to "Blackwater Lake" in Western North Carolina...probably one of the craziest boat ramps in the country.
I is it enough two battery 12v 54 ah for a minnnkota terrova 80 pound to run all day?
Nice vid
Thanks Jaykob
Man... over 900 for batteries is super to hard drop at one time... but I love the breakdown and the review you gave. Thank you
Few years they will cost half the price they are now
But they live 5-6 Times longer so its a lifete investment
If I have a trolling motor that is 55lb trust. Do I need two Dakota batteries?
so are those 2 24 volt? I read somewhere your not suppose to run those lifep04
in series
2 12v
Bro just bought a new boston whaler 170 montauk. Im adding a rhodan 24 v 80 pound motor. Boat probably weighs 2500 pounds fully loaded. How many hours run time you think i could get out of two 12 v 54 ah batteries? Will be using it in the florida keys, plenty of current.
Hey OJ, congrats on the new boat dude! I just checked out the Rhodan trolling motor and it’s got a max current draw of 42 amps at 100% thrust. Something to keep in mind here is that the current draw varies with the thrust level. For instance, if you’re running your trolling motor at 30-50% thrust the current draw will be significantly less. I would assume atleast half, potentially even more like 60-70% less as newer TMs have pretty decent tech. Keep in mind, these are going to be rough numbers as I’m no astronaut.
From a worst case scenario standpoint - if you were to run your trolling motor at 100% without stopping it, you’d get about 2.5 hours of use with 2 54ah 12v batteries. When you look at it this way, doesn’t look great…BUT it all depends on how much you think you’ll really be running it at a constant 100% thrust. Typically I’m bass fishing so I’m getting to my spot, dropping the trolling motor and using it sporadically while moving down a bank at 30-70% thrust. I’ve never once been close (to my knowledge) of running out of juice. This includes fishing electric only lakes with only my trolling motor on full send 12 hour days.
Running the motor at 50% thrust you’ll get at least double that, and running it at 20-30%, you’d be able to get about 12+ hours of run time.
In your situation with fishing heavy current, it may not be a bad idea to step up to 2 100ah batteries. That being said, I wouldn’t be afraid to bet that you’d be perfectly happy with the 54ah system. What it all comes down to is how much you think you will run your TM constantly.
Almost a necessity on todays' larger bass boats with multiple depth finders/electronics. They just draw A lot of amps that kill a wet battery fairly quick.
Thanks for the vid, Matt. I run 100% electric for my bass rig. I have 13 lead acid batteries - IMAGINE THAT WEIGHT!! A lot of the guys in my club are going to the Torqueedo 10.0 w/lithium battery packs. I'll reach out to Dakota to see if they can help me. Thanks, Brother!
13 LEAD ACID BATTERIES!? How does that boat float??? Just kidding, that's pretty wild man. Imagine the weight you could save!
@@SBFishing Yes Sir, ever heard of RAY Electric Outboards? I have a 60V system run in parallel, which means (10) 6v deep cycle marine batteries jumped to each other. Add 2 more for 24v TM. Add another for electronics = 13! Top speed 7.2mph. It's HEAVY and lithiums would be a huge advantage for a multitude of reasons.
I fish all day long. How long will those last on a general fishing outing...say a 6-8 hour day on the water. 80# trolling motor.
@@chuckchambers9565 Who said anything about fishing all day long without catching fish? 🤷🏾♂️ If the fish aren't biting, I leave...
Nice review, Matt.
Do you know anything about using these lithium batteries as a starting battery for the boat? I've heard vague talk about them not being suitable as a starting battery, but I've not heard anything concrete nor a reason given as to why they'd not be a good starting battery. My guess, if there is an issue, would be having to do with the charge coming off the outboard motor alternator. Have you heard anything about this? Thanks.
Hi. DL currently do not make starter batteries. We have focused on designing the best deep cycle battery and recommend just using a regular starter battery for cranking the outboard.
@@DakotaLithium Thank you so much for the reply and information.
@@DakotaLithium May I ask why lithium batteries do not make good starting batteries? I'm trying to learn more about the technology, is why I ask.
@@thelonesomefisherman7425 Lithium batteries have an internal BMS Battery Management System that controls the voltage parameters and protects the battery. Too many volts, too little voltage, too much charge current and the BMS turns off the power. If you have a 100 amp BMS and you need 150 cranking amps, it will shut off.
Reason #2 not to use lithium as a starting battery..... lets say you run the lithium battery state of charge down by excessive use of trolling motor, radio, or whatever. The instant you start the engine, the alternator will peg to its peak volts and amps. Because lithium has low internal resistance, the alternator will overheat and might burn up after 15 minutes or so of going full bore flat out. It will take huge amounts of charging current. A lead acid battery cranks at very high amps, charges at high amps for 15-30 seconds when the engine starts, then ramps down and stays at low amps for extended time, and it won't overheat the charging system.
@@kimmer6 Thank you for your detailed reply. That's solid information.
What is this dakota 24v 50ah battery all about? Can you just have this one 24V battery to replace two lead group 31 batteries?
Wassss up sb 🎣
Gettin ready for musky week!
Hey Matt would the 2 lithium batteries you have work in my skeeter zx200 with a 80 lb 24 volt minn Kota ? And could I use my minn Kota precision charger. Thanks keep up the great content 🎣
Yes, they would work on your skeeter. The charger would technically work but unfortunately it wouldn’t charge the batteries to their full capacity. I was told that you can do it and it won’t hurt the batteries too much, but I’d recommend giving them a full charge once in a while.
Thanks. I just have to save up over the winter and make the purchase in the summer. Seems like a good investment 👍
I’m looking to replace my current led acid batteries with Dakota Lithium batteries but I am up in the air on two 12 volt lithium’s or a single 24 volt battery was there any reasoning for going with two 12s verse the single 24 volt battery they offer ? Awesome video as always man and tight lines.
Go with the 2 12s
SBFISHINGTV appreciate you man thanks for the reply.
@@SBFishing what is the reasoning for 2 12s over 1 24v.?
Hello Matt, I’m sold on the lithium batteries but I cannot get a direct answer to a question I have. What if you are just a weekend warrior and you are running a 12 volt trolling motor and some electronics, why do you necessarily need the 100h . Why can’t I use a lower H lithium Battery. Hope you have an answer for me Matt. Thank you in advance. Great vid!
Can this battery use on car music system?
How many of these do you run on your boat?
Wow your code knocked 50 bucks off thanks!
Sounds very nice but dropping that kind of cash at one time is to rich for my blood. Lol but it would sure be nice to trim down on the weight.
What’s your favorite creature bait/craw that you pitch and flip in cover?
Bandito bug/krackin craw/beaver/pitboss not in any particular order.
@@SBFishing nice!
Maybe you should take a look in the inside of those batteries.
What do you mean?
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Hey Man!
YO!
Battery technology is growing exponentially and the lithium batteries will be much cheaper in the future.
My son-in-law works for a company that processes lithium and when I spoke with him about changing mine out he said that within the next six months some new lithium batt technology will be coming out and reduce the cost of the batteries. He said it would have been out before now was that COVID slowed the release down.
Why did you do you use 2x 54ah instead of 1x 100ah battery?
My thoughts exaxtly. To be an accurate comparison he should have used equal size batteries.
It's the UA-cam equivalent of a tv infomercial. If he compared batteries of similar amperage the weight difference wouldn't have been as extreme. If he didn't need the extra 100+ amp hours he could have still saved 2/3 of that 90 pounds just by reducing the amperage. Only 1/3 of that 90lb weight savings actually came from switching from lead to lithium.
@josh L @THCya @michael lawrence
So the reason I used the 54ahs is because they will last as long as the 100aH lead acid batteries. Once lead acid batteries get to about 50% discharge, they're basically done. Lithiums however, can be run down to 1% and still give 100% power. So saying "you should've used equal sized batteries"!!! That's what I did.
@@SBFishing Is 200 amp hours better? Snicker snicker!
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If any battery dies hook up jumper cables in a parallel to bring your "too dead" batteries back to life. Negative to negative, positive to positive for a couple minutes. It bring back the battery enough to charge. ANY RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES
If you subtract the weight of the new battery from the old and multiple x 3.78 this will be the approximate amount you pay over the price of the old battery.
Gas for an outboard seems cheap now. Who needs a trolling motor.
Good move,
This is the ultimate upgrade when it comes to your electrical system but the price tag is just insane... i can replace my 24v system twice over for the cost of 1 lithium
The lithiums are said to last twice as long, so yes, the upfront cost is tough but in the long run it's about even.
i guess you pay for what you get. i wish i could have one of those dakota lithium 100Ah for my little fishing pontoon, but that battery costs the same price as the boat. lol
I believe this scale because I have it 👍
do you know you looks like AB Lincon :)
I know he is promoting this brand but you guys really need to do some diy lithium projects. You would be surprised.
I don't fish....but..... 200 amp hours in a Minn Kota box? That's power!
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If I bought batteries for $1k I’d wake up like Henry hill in goodfellas when Karen wakes him up pointing a gun at him. My wife would be pissed. lol that’s a lot to drop when you aren’t making money from fishing. I get the power and they are better but dam. I can’t do that....yet lol
one day.... i go through 4 batteries a year! running a 24v trolling motor and 2 graphs in my 16ft aluminum boat, all that weight kills me.
the two batteries are not a comparable comparison. You would need to compare a Lithium 12V and 100 ah to the Everstart which has 122Ah. From there your weight and is comparably different. I'm not certain if a 54AH is good enough for a trolling motor on a real fishing boat.? Most marine acid batteries used are in the 100ah + x 2 or 3.
So the reason I used the 54ahs is because they will last as long as the 100aH lead acid batteries. Once lead acid batteries get to about 50% discharge, they're basically done. Lithiums however, can be run down to 1% and still give 100% power. So saying "you should've used equal sized batteries"!!! That's what I did.
@@SBFishing ahhhh now that is nice to know. learn something everyday!
Shall we also mention RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE😳!
I really want one for my kayak, But can’t afford do drop that coin.
Lithium is nice if you ignore all the environmental damage its strip mines cause on the earth.
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Late to he party but your JonBoat does 18 with an 80lb thrust?!?!?!?! I've got a 12V 55LB digital on my 12v V-rowboat- no wood floor - just 2 bass seats and our tackle and somewhat fat *sses, with an Optima deep cycle, and I see maaaaybe 5/6 on a good day. IS the 80lb THAT worth it? We are river and lake guys exclusively. And thanks for checking weights etc -we read it's lighter but rarely see it.
18 with the outboard! Not the trolling motor my bad. The lithiums took so much weight out of the boat it helped with top end
@@SBFishing OHHHH ok, I feel much better about my purchase now, lol... great channel!
@@Gale_Force_Raceway Haha well I'm happy to clear that up. Thanks!
I’m confused is this for boats only. Cuz that’s what everyone is using this for. What about for van life?
Decent lead acid batteries like Interstates will last 5+ years if kept on a battery maintainer , running a 36 volt trolling motor and just replaced all three for 400.00 after 7 years. And most chargers won"t handle lithium batteries.
Also the weight comparison was apples to oranges. The lithium battery may have been about a quarter the weight but it was only half the capacity of the lead acid battery. If he wanted to reduce his power capacity by 50% he could have saved 60lbs of weight without ever switching to lithium.
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If you put a graph on the kayak can you use the current battery or do you add a lithium one?
I forgot to mention on the yak I'm using a 100AH dakota lithium. I'll probably run it to that or get a smaller one for the graph.
I never new batteries are That Heavy
Hi Matt, I hope you’re doing well as always. I’m posting this in case you read your comments. Are you aware that lithium batteries are only made in China? Are you aware that America did, not sure if it still does, have a law against selling or buying lithium batteries here inside the USA? Lastly, are you aware that lithium batteries have a much higher failure rate, plus they have a much higher potential for exploding? I have never bought those full size batteries, but I learned all I’ve written when I tried to order a RC controlled bait boat. These are not toys. They are quite large and if I put two side by side I can literally sit on them without getting wet. These boats are meant to bring your bait, your chum, and your fishing line hooks out to places you could never fish by any other method. They were developed in China and Germany for Carp fishermen. However, as I’m stuck on the bank. I can load these boats up and drive it as quiet as a low speed trolling motor and by remote, drop my chum, as well as attached to my fishing line....my bait, and lure for bass fishing or any other type of fishing. I they use built in GPS and spot memory for all the water you fish. I think they max out at 99 spots in memory. Point of all this background about me is that I’m a fan and wish you to know to know all there is to know and the top things about lithium batteries. Low voltage batteries began allowed to be shipped when China began making battery operated security doorbells and motion sensing cameras. I had a terrible time trying to buy separate batteries for these RC boats and it how I learned about their potential problems and what American Import law allows. Best wishes, and DM me or drop any questions on my UA-cam channel if you want further info. Take care.
Not trying to be downer or a doubter, but I own 55 lb. thrust Minn Kota and Newport trolling motors, and in the owners manuals, both brands specifically say NOT to use lithium batteries; they say to ONLY use lead acid batteries. Why is that??
Keep rubbing it in lol...
lmao
@@SBFishing probably going to eventually get one for my kayak... they really are superior and probably save money in the long term. But I'm about to go drop some money on a dry suit today.
I'll never be able to afford one... Almost 500 for a single battery that's insane
there a investment they do have a 11 year warranty
I’m going to build a battle born by hand for 550$. Gotta know what you’re doing.
I'll take the lead acid and save 400 bucks. Lol.
I live in chicago… the 100 dollar batteries might out last me so ill pass. Nice video tho
Monster Marine Lithium has a single 24v 60Ah battery that’s 33lbs! I run their 36v single batteries and prices are best on the market!
Rebelcell makes a 50amp 24v wich ist 20lbs!
I remember back in the 80's when VCR's first came out. They cost over $1,000. and that's 1980's dollars. Prices dropped fast and now no one has a VCR anymore. I expect to see the same with these batteries with the price as the technology and markets grow.
took some weight out your pockets too
500.00 for a battery? Wow
50ah**