Promarker vs Copic....... Which is worth it? Don't forget if you wanted to grab yourself a set like I had in the video, Links in the description. - Also, regarding the storm, me and my wife are fine and safe. our area was hit HARD but we are on high ground, so we didn't suffer like our town which had 1m+ deep water running through. Unfortunate this has happened especially that its effected my in laws SO bad. My wife is panicking, but we will do what we can. Anyways, I hope EVERYONE missing is found safe and it's truly a tragedy so many lost their lives.
my personal biggest problem with Promarker/brushmarker is their size. Because of it, i cannot use it precisely as i want. The body of marker hide the nib/brush from me and i cannt actualy see what i am drawing. Also they are not so comfortable in my hand (personal experience, too bulky for me). This is why i prefer Copic more. But, those white dots on a paper after using copics bugs me too.
I think you should stress test the Copic markers in a Children's coloring book and see how they handle that paper. We already know how the promarkers handle it.
I have been using copic markers for years now, and one the biggest things I will say about them is this: Copics need cardstock, Bristol, or marker paper to function properly. You can use sketch, watercolor, or mixed media paper, but you will notice the pigment separation.
I'm so sorry for the tragedy from the storms over there. I'm in Denmark so we're neighbors, and my heart broke when I saw the damage. Please stay safe. 🙏🏽 On a lighter note, THANK YOU for this review. I've always been tempted by the promarkers and far too cheap to want to spend the money for a good variety of Copics. Now I have no doubt I'll be picking up promarkers in the future! 👍🏼I never liked that Copic was so "picky" on most paper. It's awesome to know that the promarkers are good on all paper. 👏🏼
I will go the pro markers, because they are cheaper, blend better, and softer then the Copic markers. and I don't wont to spend over $5,000 just to get markers that don't work with all paper... also here is an idea... Ohuhu markers vs Artify markers cheap vs expensive
@@robloxnoob1462 no it’s still not that much 5 packs of 72 is 300-400 per set which is less than 2000, the price of copics is only double the price of promarkers
I think he over sold the paper thing. I much prefer Promarkers over Copics, but you shouldnt be using them on "any type" of paper as you will bled them dry pretty quickly if you do. Also they look far superior on marker paper than other types, although I hear what he is saying about texture. Edit to add: also it's still not a fair point to make. They are made to be used with a certain type of paper, which Promarkers are also, even though they are more versatile A fair test would be to use the proper paper they were intended for. It's like comparing a Ferrari to a range rover and testing them on an off road track, its not using them how they should be to get a fair result.
@@cnsmooth did you watch the video? Copic is a huge company who sells their markers for a few thousand for a full complete set yet they still don't workmon most surfaces. They have pretty much no excuse
Sorry to hear about the storm. When Harvey hit it screwed us over too. Stay safe and send your wife's family & friends The support they need and deserve.
Hey there I have recommendation: "PAPER ART | Cheap vs Expensive!! Which is WORTH IT..?". I know it won't be interesting as the marker but this will give some what general idea what type of paper works the best with a marker.
I was watching a Livestream for the drawing of Loki, and it inspired me to draw Loki for the first time. Thank you so much for the inspiration. Keep up the good work, and stay safe, in this troubled time.
Promarkers are overly saturated and ink levels are difficult to control. I’ve used every single marker out there. You’re used to the way promarkers flow is why you’re seeing pigment separation. Copics are meant to be applied in lots of layers, it’s like watercolor ( Copic ) vs acrylic ( promarkers ). If you go over the same area a bunch of times with a translucent color like the light green, it creates a pool and starts to dissolve Into itself. You’re expecting it to get darker like a promarker but it won’t, it isn’t designed to. It’s doing exactly what it’s meant to do. You have to wait for it to dry then add another layer and when it isn’t dark enough, you go one step up. That’s why there are 358 colors. This is one of the greatest strengths of Copic and you’re experiencing it as a flaw simply because you aren’t used to them. Keep using the copics. Commit to 15 high level drawings, and watch some really in depth tutorials before giving an actual opinion. You’ll never want to use anything else. I used to use promarkers and chart packs and after fully committing to copics, they all feel like fancy Crayola to me now. I use them on sketch paper, copy paper, vellum, Bristol, canson. They out perform every other marker. After 20 years of using every marker ever made, there’s nothing that compares to Copic. Promarkers are student grade. Copics are for professionals. When it comes to architectural renderings, landscape sketching, industrial design, things like glass, water, thin fabric, etc etc, you want a fast stroke that lays an even translucent layer that you can go back over. Its literally a few seconds with a Copic, but difficult altogether with a promarker. It’s not so important in comics. You should try Chart Paks, they’re extra juicy, you would probably love them. Or Add Markers
This. This. This. I also felt like he didn’t really know how to use copics to their full potential and this video felt pretty biased towards pro markets. Copics are the best markers in the market and there is a reason why they’re the professional standard. I started out with pro markers also but working with copics is such a smooth experience and they’re so forgiving if you know what you’re doing.
Yeah to be honest it did seem like he was pretty biased throughout the video simply out of his comfort level with the 2 brands, though he did seem to be giving it a more fair chance by the later end of the video. I started using both Copic Sketch and Promarkers in early high school and after becoming comfortable with both, I can 100% say that Copic is superior. I’ve used 4 different brands over the years and Copic, despite the high price, has always lasted the longest and was the most versatile. And that’s not to say that there’s anything majorly wrong with Promarkers or any other brand for that matter. I’ve seen tons of professionals using multiple brands at a time. For me its always been about quality and Color choice, regardless of price, and there is no one marker brand that has it all. Recently I’ve turned to Master’s Touch in last few years for my more vibrant and saturated colors for certain drawings, despite my misgivings regarding their ink formula, and honestly it out performs Windsor & newton by a lot. If the ink wasn’t such a pain sometimes in how it builds up and makes the marker caps stuck on like super glue, I would say that Master’s Touch is the best Copic Alternative.
Aaah, a fellow promarker Connoisseur. I started off with touch five markers , but the day I caught some promarkers on sale at a hobby lobby three years ago, it was a dream. I didn't know markers could rival my love of colored pencils yet here we are. I full on like their ink more than copic inks and their pricing is far more agreeable. I just WISH that prpmarkers had REFILLS. But I know the company isn't gong for it and it will jack up the prices. But man, I can go on ANY paper and have even clean strokes with no splotches. Nice coating. Easy layering. No streaks. I have mostly bullet nibs but their brush nibs are okay, a tad soft but still nice and affordable. I have 127 and they serve me fine. Just divine. Cept they die on me sometimes. As for the copic, I have copic ciao , exactly 158. The ink is blotchy and spity no matter what paper I stick it on, I haven't bothered to buy exclusive copic paper because they are already charing ridiculous prices for the markers including the reboot refills that are arguably a ripoff. They are fresh and yet they go on kinda slow and dry. I need to layer for more for the copic than I do for a promarker, which is a con for me because it takes longer. While they are slightly easier to blend with and I really like their affects so they aren't a pointless investment, it is still possible to refill them and I really like their brush tips. This the perfect firmness, I must insist I don't like the inks behavior. While I prefer promarkers, I use my copics and promarkwrs together on many pieces, the copics a d often good for shading and base layers. While the copic are good for detailing , gradients, and general blending and further renders. The inks are pretty compatible when combined, I found. And the colors each set has fill in the values/colors I'm missing from the other. Basically I have qualms with copic but they have their perks. Sad part is that I used to really want these as a kid, I'm still happy with them but I have my critisisms. But if people want brush markers that have refill but aren't AS expensive as copics, I suggest blick studio markers in the 96 set. I also suggest art n fly markers as they are pretty nice and they also have refills and it won't eat up your wallet. I think a full set of art n fly markers comes in 72, they have it on their website. Oh, another one i know of are the spectrum markers (noir, illustrator) , they also have refills available. Lastly , the Shinhan touch markers (not touch five ) are refillable. But lats i checked they were so expensive , you might be better off with copics. Ohuhu has nice brush markers in a lot of colors but they aren't refillable as of yet. Thats my thoughts.
That speckling will occur on all paper types. I have never tried winsor and newton brush or promarkers personally. It's usually when you reach so many layers, of course thicker paper usually takes more layers than copy paper. It even happens on Xpressit Blending Card. So I don't think it's the paper, it's more than likely the ink which is crazy since copics are so expensive.
I currently live in Japan so I get my copics here cheaper than anywhere else and I am using their blend card to do my artwork Paper I used before used to bleed like crazy and layering wasn’t that great until I bought the blending card Also, another difference between the ciao and sketch markers is that ciao has less available colours compared to sketch But if you have y17 in ciao you will find the exact same y17 for sketch Overall I have to agree with your assessment, the pro markers are better because you will get more colours (if not the whole set) whereas you will have to choose for copic I can’t remember if you compared the pro markers to that Huhu marker set, but that could be another interesting comparison because if memory serves, that brand of marker is also quite cheap and have been rated quite highly Thank you for doing this piece/experiment!
It's all up to personal preference at the end of the day. Copic markers are industry standard and great. And the pro and brush markers are also great. Personally I prefer Copic cause with refills it ends up being cheaper where I am but the pro and brush markers are also great. I have personally used Copic markers on all paper types and I have found them to work great but I definitely will say that on some cheaper paper they do not get as flat of tones but that doesn't matter to me personally. I use Bristol board and they work perfectly with what I use.
Pro Marker is better bang for your buck, but I have to say love the grunge texture that the Copics lay down when you are using them! I know they technically aren't supposed to do that but it looks like a piece of art versus just printed on.
This is amazing - really hard to decide but w/n definitely better value for money. Now you please have to do an final episode with all the markers you've reviewed and decide an overall winner, like Jazza did!
I’m so sorry about the storm. I’m broke, but I’ll try and find a way to help. Duck’s honor. That’s really a scary thought being in a huge storm like that. I hope it all turns out ok in the end.
I love the results from both sides. The Copic side reminds me of graphic novels 20 odd years ago with all that patchiness and depth of colour, but the promarker side? Love the smooth gradient of colour; there's nothing like it. I agree that the Copics should be able to handle any type of paper regardless and that really spoils it for me.
@@mtjc5336 They're still the same. Just different colour, and as he mentioned as well, ink. They'll still draw the same way. So it wouldn't be much of a change.
@@WinchesterxNL you mean the copics will be the same as the Windsor Newtons? I’m confused lol. Ciaos and Sketches are the same other than capacity of ink and plastic barrel, i get that. But jazza has a huge range of colors where ADC had about 75 here. I thought that was the point. Otherwise I agree
@@mtjc5336 The point wasn't the range in colour. The point was how well one worked in comparison to the other. What's colour range to do with how well they draw?
i appreciate this video just as some technical teaching. i was given some copic markers as a gift. ive always used pencil, colored pencil, ball point pens. black felt tip pens.. in the past. i have almost zero experience with markers like this so i feel extremely lost when i try to use them. this helped a lot.
You're in a smart shirt. My mind is truly blown 🤯 You have surpassed my favourite art UA-camr with your presentation and enthusiasm. Love it. Keep going
It would definitely be worth doing this comparison again on better paper just to see if the pro markers can still win without considering price. Which marker is truly best for what they are designed for being used on.
I’m an avid Copic user, having lived in Japan for years, where they are priced much more fairly than in Europe (where I live now). I love my Copics, but they are a little fuzzy when it comes to paper. But the pigments are beautiful and I love that they are refillable! I also own three different Ohuhu sets (72, skin tone and pastel), and they tend to have the same paper fuzziness. So maybe it’s more a unique thing with the Promarkers?
Great video, love the artwork! I use both pro markers and Copic markers and honestly the main difference is only the price point. For most artists paper is always a factor and most artists will choose the paper that suits the what’s they’re using. You don’t use copy paper or regular paper with watercolors right. Both are great sets and as you proved, both can give you excellent results. Overall great video.
I have Copics and I have to say I think part of the problem you had with blending the green was the lightest green you used. The G000 is the second lightest green marker they make (the lightest is G0000) and I find that using it to try and blend greens that aren’t as light as it is causes a lot of trouble and causes the colors to separate. It would be interesting to see how it would have come out if you had had a green that was closer in color to the others. That said, I really enjoyed the comparison and hearing your thoughts on the two brands!!
I love the look of the results, I think especially considering the cost there's not much reason to choose copics over promarkers, so it makes sense to get promarkers. Also, as a suggestion, it would be cool to see how the Arteza everblend markers looks alongside Promarkers, as that's what I have
Crazy prices, they look great though. Based on this video I like how the promarkers look over the copic. Suppose I'll just stick with my Ohuhu markers. They get the job done and look good without breaking the bank.
I never tried them but I tried Amazon 20€ markers (the cheapest) and they did the job too . I tried promarkers briefly because my brother had a set of 12 and I can tell you that it's nothing alike and the pro and brush markers are so smoooooth and nice to use. I'm slowly building my collection. I advice you try them they are worth their price (if you're in EU)
I have family living in kerpen......it was in the middle of the areas that got "hit" by the storm!...luckaly they didnt get "hit"!....hope your friends and family are doing well and all are safe!.....awesome vid, thanks for sharing!
I like the promarker side. You're making me want to get them. I'm glad you're ok after that terrible storm. I hope everyone is well over there. Stay safe and take care!
I had the complete set of Promarkers, but I found them completely overshadowed by Copics. So I took a few years to get the full set of Copics and have never used my Promarkers since!
I wish it were true..... But, it's location based and, yeah... I kinda did a little haha. BUUUUUTTTT If I wanted ALL Copic SKetch here I would pay close to $4000, not including their special collections
Considering there are shifts in the promarkers partly masked by the color choices and years of practice that leads to developing techniques that help avoid leaving the unpleasant splitting so obvious, it leaves one to wonder how much would change on the copic side if they were more frequently used to develop the same types of adjustments in use to get the desired results. Granted, that still wouldn't alleviate the price issue, but it's a curiosity thing.
@@thatmobsta I’ve never had a problem with them, everything comes in the plastic wrap and those are boxed. It normally takes just under 2 weeks to receive your supplies
Hey dude. Hope your keeping safe with all the flooding, a friends of mines husband has been missing for more than a day now after their village got hit. Keep safe with these crazy time man, bleib gesund und siche, gruße um Svala. Beileid für den Schaden ihrerFreunde und Familie. Awesome work as always with the drawing!
I have chameleons the game a lot of time and practice using them but the are great once you've got use to them, they are expensive aswel but you only need to pay refill inks and nibs after the first expense
@@Marktherocketdarts once you get used to how they work I do think that they are worth the money, the nibs are easily swapped and the ink you buy as replacement with do six to seven refills, the hard part is learning how you can get these best out of them, I have the full set and hf the toppers and the ranch of colour's are brilliant 👏
Well, both brands are ridiculously expensive in Colombia due to importing costs, so I go with the one that doesn't make spend more money on "the right paper". I've got a few Promarkers and they're great in cheap or expensive paper, and they're easier to find than Copics as well. This video has a Glorious Purpose 🔥
I own both Copic and Promarkers, and I totally vouch for your statement about the latter being much more applicable to all kinds of papers. I find myself using Promarkers more to color on my coloring books with varying types of paper. I do want to point out that your art style, which is very cartoon-y and graphic, is not really in line with the intended use of Copics, which is meant for manga and illustration, where they tend to go for a more softer, painterly look most of the time, hence the slower ink flow. Promarkers on the other hand, are designed precisely for graphic artists who value good color payoff, even application and bright, distinctive colors.
A hurricane also came to my country not long ago. Fortunately no one died or was injured but many houses were affected and big trees were pulled up from the roots. I was out of electricity for 3 days when rounded off. Others spent a week without electricity. And our water was also off and we were still expected to do our exams. Either way. I thank God it wasn't any worse and I pray that y'all can recover from the storm as quickly as possible. My regards go to your wife and family and i hope those who lost loved ones, will be given peace and can recover too
eye catching drawings are the best looking of course and blending and depth is the key to do it now blending is the best in pro marker so i think they are the winner of this one
My issue is always with how long the markers last. Nothing to me is more infuriating than having a marker that flows wonderfully at the outset but doesn't last through the entire artwork. So far as I know, no one has tested the brands against each other for who can outlast, and are they consistent on flow throughout. Maybe that could be an upcoming challenge?
alcohol markers do not contain pigments. they are made of dye. so the problem you had with the copics may cause by the paper. i tried promarker/brushmarkers and copics on various types of paper and they have different effects as well as even color saturation.
I have been saving for so so long and have recently bought all 5 sets of Copic Sketch (and the 120 tin of Polychromo Pencils)! No regrets! I used to always drool over them when I'd see them, it's a dream come true for me! *Edit- I hope you all recover from the storm, and you're awesome for helping the animal shelters. I hope the animals are all ok and that your wife's family and friends can get help and be back on their feet very soon :(
I will say for me, I found copics best when blending dark to light. Not the way done in video. Also letting each layer time to dry before putting in more color. But I do now want to try the pro marker after seeing this.
Here's a fun fact: When I bought my copics ~15 years ago or so (yes, it's been a while), I was able to get the whole color range of the normal Copic Markers (which had the most colors back then) for roughly 400 Euro. I have no idea what happened that they increased in price THAT MUCH.... (and btw, it's a Japanese Brand)
Promarker vs Copic....... Which is worth it?
Don't forget if you wanted to grab yourself a set like I had in the video, Links in the description.
- Also, regarding the storm, me and my wife are fine and safe. our area was hit HARD but we are on high ground, so we didn't suffer like our town which had 1m+ deep water running through. Unfortunate this has happened especially that its effected my in laws SO bad. My wife is panicking, but we will do what we can.
Anyways, I hope EVERYONE missing is found safe and it's truly a tragedy so many lost their lives.
I think Pro marker is a better choice
my personal biggest problem with Promarker/brushmarker is their size. Because of it, i cannot use it precisely as i want. The body of marker hide the nib/brush from me and i cannt actualy see what i am drawing. Also they are not so comfortable in my hand (personal experience, too bulky for me). This is why i prefer Copic more. But, those white dots on a paper after using copics bugs me too.
Windsor and Newton is soooo much more worth it I have the set as well
I think you should stress test the Copic markers in a Children's coloring book and see how they handle that paper. We already know how the promarkers handle it.
Hope everything gets better for everyone down there
I Love This Cuz Its More Like Expensive vs. More Expensive
Hahah right. 500 is not cheap.
You are exactly right
More expensive vs Most expensive.
tru 500 is very expensive
It should be $5 vs $50 or $500
Where's Jazza, the Champion of Copic, to defend their honour in their time of need?!
So true
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Up ya go.
I can just imagine him saying “copic markers” with his accent.
He kinda sound like jazza
“…I think it will serve its beautiful purpose…”
You mean it’s GLORIOUS PURPOSE!!
Dude that’s what I said lolol
I came here to say this, but alas I knew it had already been said.
Lol as soon as he said it, missed opportunity! xD
Facts! I instantly thought the same words, verbatim.
I have been using copic markers for years now, and one the biggest things I will say about them is this: Copics need cardstock, Bristol, or marker paper to function properly. You can use sketch, watercolor, or mixed media paper, but you will notice the pigment separation.
I always notice the color separation on all types of marker/Bristol papers too
I'm so sorry for the tragedy from the storms over there. I'm in Denmark so we're neighbors, and my heart broke when I saw the damage. Please stay safe. 🙏🏽
On a lighter note, THANK YOU for this review. I've always been tempted by the promarkers and far too cheap to want to spend the money for a good variety of Copics. Now I have no doubt I'll be picking up promarkers in the future! 👍🏼I never liked that Copic was so "picky" on most paper. It's awesome to know that the promarkers are good on all paper. 👏🏼
same, from Denmark to by the way :)
Holy f... Over 120 dead in Germany? That's a huge storm, glad you are safe. This looks like what Harvey did to my area...
It was absolutely mental and it was just rain
Its not world news? I'm from Belgium and i would have certainly thought everyone knew
It was heavily raining these past days... now it's "just" really windy for the most parts... still... I thought our tree would just fly off today XD
And there are still people missing. :/
Belgium is ok
I prefer the promarker side, it seems less….patchy I suppose. The copic side gives me more of a coloured pencil effect
I will go the pro markers, because they are cheaper, blend better, and softer then the Copic markers.
and I don't wont to spend over $5,000 just to get markers that don't work with all paper...
also here is an idea... Ohuhu markers vs Artify markers cheap vs expensive
Copics aren’t 5000 not even close title is just a tad click bait
@@jonathanboyer8723 I think he means th full set of copixs. Or is it not?
@@robloxnoob1462 no it’s still not that much 5 packs of 72 is 300-400 per set which is less than 2000, the price of copics is only double the price of promarkers
I think he over sold the paper thing. I much prefer Promarkers over Copics, but you shouldnt be using them on "any type" of paper as you will bled them dry pretty quickly if you do. Also they look far superior on marker paper than other types, although I hear what he is saying about texture.
Edit to add: also it's still not a fair point to make. They are made to be used with a certain type of paper, which Promarkers are also, even though they are more versatile A fair test would be to use the proper paper they were intended for. It's like comparing a Ferrari to a range rover and testing them on an off road track, its not using them how they should be to get a fair result.
@@cnsmooth did you watch the video? Copic is a huge company who sells their markers for a few thousand for a full complete set yet they still don't workmon most surfaces. They have pretty much no excuse
Sorry to hear about the storm. When Harvey hit it screwed us over too. Stay safe and send your wife's family & friends The support they need and deserve.
Anybody else click the LIKE button BEFORE the video even started because you already knew this was gonna be a GREAT watch!?
Guilty bro lol
Hey there I have recommendation: "PAPER ART | Cheap vs Expensive!! Which is WORTH IT..?". I know it won't be interesting as the marker but this will give some what general idea what type of paper works the best with a marker.
We have had a few requests over the series for this.
I just need to find a unique and interesting format to do a test episode :)
@@ADCArtAttack hope you find one, this would be very interesting
@@ADCArtAttack honestly promarkers just give a much more character to the sketch
Loki inside the image shouts : Glorious Purpose ✋🤚
I was watching a Livestream for the drawing of Loki, and it inspired me to draw Loki for the first time. Thank you so much for the inspiration. Keep up the good work, and stay safe, in this troubled time.
Glad y’all are safe. We’ll be praying for y’all’s safety and hopes that the missing are found.
Only thing I can think of while watching the start of this video was "Damn, I really like that cap"
Promarkers are overly saturated and ink levels are difficult to control. I’ve used every single marker out there. You’re used to the way promarkers flow is why you’re seeing pigment separation. Copics are meant to be applied in lots of layers, it’s like watercolor ( Copic ) vs acrylic ( promarkers ). If you go over the same area a bunch of times with a translucent color like the light green, it creates a pool and starts to dissolve Into itself. You’re expecting it to get darker like a promarker but it won’t, it isn’t designed to. It’s doing exactly what it’s meant to do. You have to wait for it to dry then add another layer and when it isn’t dark enough, you go one step up. That’s why there are 358 colors. This is one of the greatest strengths of Copic and you’re experiencing it as a flaw simply because you aren’t used to them. Keep using the copics. Commit to 15 high level drawings, and watch some really in depth tutorials before giving an actual opinion. You’ll never want to use anything else. I used to use promarkers and chart packs and after fully committing to copics, they all feel like fancy Crayola to me now. I use them on sketch paper, copy paper, vellum, Bristol, canson. They out perform every other marker. After 20 years of using every marker ever made, there’s nothing that compares to Copic. Promarkers are student grade. Copics are for professionals. When it comes to architectural renderings, landscape sketching, industrial design, things like glass, water, thin fabric, etc etc, you want a fast stroke that lays an even translucent layer that you can go back over. Its literally a few seconds with a Copic, but difficult altogether with a promarker. It’s not so important in comics. You should try Chart Paks, they’re extra juicy, you would probably love them. Or Add Markers
This. This. This. I also felt like he didn’t really know how to use copics to their full potential and this video felt pretty biased towards pro markets. Copics are the best markers in the market and there is a reason why they’re the professional standard. I started out with pro markers also but working with copics is such a smooth experience and they’re so forgiving if you know what you’re doing.
Yeah to be honest it did seem like he was pretty biased throughout the video simply out of his comfort level with the 2 brands, though he did seem to be giving it a more fair chance by the later end of the video.
I started using both Copic Sketch and Promarkers in early high school and after becoming comfortable with both, I can 100% say that Copic is superior. I’ve used 4 different brands over the years and Copic, despite the high price, has always lasted the longest and was the most versatile.
And that’s not to say that there’s anything majorly wrong with Promarkers or any other brand for that matter. I’ve seen tons of professionals using multiple brands at a time. For me its always been about quality and Color choice, regardless of price, and there is no one marker brand that has it all.
Recently I’ve turned to Master’s Touch in last few years for my more vibrant and saturated colors for certain drawings, despite my misgivings regarding their ink formula, and honestly it out performs Windsor & newton by a lot. If the ink wasn’t such a pain sometimes in how it builds up and makes the marker caps stuck on like super glue, I would say that Master’s Touch is the best Copic Alternative.
I agree. Copic markers need to be layered
Aaah, a fellow promarker Connoisseur. I started off with touch five markers , but the day I caught some promarkers on sale at a hobby lobby three years ago, it was a dream. I didn't know markers could rival my love of colored pencils yet here we are.
I full on like their ink more than copic inks and their pricing is far more agreeable. I just WISH that prpmarkers had REFILLS. But I know the company isn't gong for it and it will jack up the prices. But man, I can go on ANY paper and have even clean strokes with no splotches. Nice coating. Easy layering. No streaks. I have mostly bullet nibs but their brush nibs are okay, a tad soft but still nice and affordable. I have 127 and they serve me fine. Just divine. Cept they die on me sometimes.
As for the copic, I have copic ciao , exactly 158. The ink is blotchy and spity no matter what paper I stick it on, I haven't bothered to buy exclusive copic paper because they are already charing ridiculous prices for the markers including the reboot refills that are arguably a ripoff. They are fresh and yet they go on kinda slow and dry. I need to layer for more for the copic than I do for a promarker, which is a con for me because it takes longer. While they are slightly easier to blend with and I really like their affects so they aren't a pointless investment, it is still possible to refill them and I really like their brush tips. This the perfect firmness, I must insist I don't like the inks behavior.
While I prefer promarkers, I use my copics and promarkwrs together on many pieces, the copics a d often good for shading and base layers. While the copic are good for detailing , gradients, and general blending and further renders. The inks are pretty compatible when combined, I found. And the colors each set has fill in the values/colors I'm missing from the other. Basically I have qualms with copic but they have their perks. Sad part is that I used to really want these as a kid, I'm still happy with them but I have my critisisms.
But if people want brush markers that have refill but aren't AS expensive as copics, I suggest blick studio markers in the 96 set. I also suggest art n fly markers as they are pretty nice and they also have refills and it won't eat up your wallet. I think a full set of art n fly markers comes in 72, they have it on their website. Oh, another one i know of are the spectrum markers (noir, illustrator) , they also have refills available. Lastly , the Shinhan touch markers (not touch five ) are refillable. But lats i checked they were so expensive , you might be better off with copics.
Ohuhu has nice brush markers in a lot of colors but they aren't refillable as of yet. Thats my thoughts.
That speckling will occur on all paper types. I have never tried winsor and newton brush or promarkers personally. It's usually when you reach so many layers, of course thicker paper usually takes more layers than copy paper. It even happens on Xpressit Blending Card. So I don't think it's the paper, it's more than likely the ink which is crazy since copics are so expensive.
it does happen I agree but with a better paper it would have happened a lot less
I currently live in Japan so I get my copics here cheaper than anywhere else and I am using their blend card to do my artwork
Paper I used before used to bleed like crazy and layering wasn’t that great until I bought the blending card
Also, another difference between the ciao and sketch markers is that ciao has less available colours compared to sketch
But if you have y17 in ciao you will find the exact same y17 for sketch
Overall I have to agree with your assessment, the pro markers are better because you will get more colours (if not the whole set) whereas you will have to choose for copic
I can’t remember if you compared the pro markers to that Huhu marker set, but that could be another interesting comparison because if memory serves, that brand of marker is also quite cheap and have been rated quite highly
Thank you for doing this piece/experiment!
It's all up to personal preference at the end of the day. Copic markers are industry standard and great. And the pro and brush markers are also great. Personally I prefer Copic cause with refills it ends up being cheaper where I am but the pro and brush markers are also great. I have personally used Copic markers on all paper types and I have found them to work great but I definitely will say that on some cheaper paper they do not get as flat of tones but that doesn't matter to me personally. I use Bristol board and they work perfectly with what I use.
Thanks for saving our wallet senseii :v
god bless u
As soon as I saw it I clicked I been waiting for this vid
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the positive attitude UA-cam needs.
Nice to see you back in the swing of things man 😁
Brilliant as usual ADC! Every video always leaves me wanting more, but I’ve binged them all!
In copies There 2 Black 100 & 110 in set A
Pro Marker is better bang for your buck, but I have to say love the grunge texture that the Copics lay down when you are using them! I know they technically aren't supposed to do that but it looks like a piece of art versus just printed on.
This is amazing - really hard to decide but w/n definitely better value for money. Now you please have to do an final episode with all the markers you've reviewed and decide an overall winner, like Jazza did!
That's right
We all know hell choose pro and brush markers 😂
@@widOwa yeah probably but it would still be cool to see them all go up against each other
@@mcsporran2305 yes you're right but there would not be any suspense on the winner 😂
I’m so sorry about the storm. I’m broke, but I’ll try and find a way to help. Duck’s honor. That’s really a scary thought being in a huge storm like that. I hope it all turns out ok in the end.
Hey! glad you're safe after the storm, great drawing
I love the results from both sides. The Copic side reminds me of graphic novels 20 odd years ago with all that patchiness and depth of colour, but the promarker side? Love the smooth gradient of colour; there's nothing like it. I agree that the Copics should be able to handle any type of paper regardless and that really spoils it for me.
More like REALLY EXPENSIVE vs. Da Vinci’s personal collection
I was in the middle of that storm as well, glad to see you're ok. It was insane, never have I seen that much water without it being the ocean.
Imagine Jazza gives ADC his Copic collection for a REAL test of Copic vs Promarker
Make it happen ADC
But why? They're the same set, no? Just used.
@@WinchesterxNL because ADC bought one of like 5 or more sets… Jazza has every. Single. Copic.
@@mtjc5336 They're still the same. Just different colour, and as he mentioned as well, ink. They'll still draw the same way. So it wouldn't be much of a change.
@@WinchesterxNL you mean the copics will be the same as the Windsor Newtons? I’m confused lol. Ciaos and Sketches are the same other than capacity of ink and plastic barrel, i get that. But jazza has a huge range of colors where ADC had about 75 here. I thought that was the point. Otherwise I agree
@@mtjc5336 The point wasn't the range in colour. The point was how well one worked in comparison to the other. What's colour range to do with how well they draw?
i appreciate this video just as some technical teaching. i was given some copic markers as a gift. ive always used pencil, colored pencil, ball point pens. black felt tip pens.. in the past. i have almost zero experience with markers like this so i feel extremely lost when i try to use them. this helped a lot.
You could give this man any type of art medium and he would make you a whole masterpiece
He he I started watching this while drawing a loki that's meta
You're in a smart shirt. My mind is truly blown 🤯
You have surpassed my favourite art UA-camr with your presentation and enthusiasm.
Love it. Keep going
Sending prayers and love from neighbouring Denmark! I just read about the storm and severe floods yesterday. It's terrible and tragic! D:
Hi ADC! Glad to see you do these two ! Thank you! Can't wait to meet my Bob
It would definitely be worth doing this comparison again on better paper just to see if the pro markers can still win without considering price. Which marker is truly best for what they are designed for being used on.
Promarker all day. It’s such a clean look, and wayyyyy more smooth in the transition and shading. Very well done!!
This video is literally Expensive vs Expensive😂
I’m an avid Copic user, having lived in Japan for years, where they are priced much more fairly than in Europe (where I live now). I love my Copics, but they are a little fuzzy when it comes to paper. But the pigments are beautiful and I love that they are refillable!
I also own three different Ohuhu sets (72, skin tone and pastel), and they tend to have the same paper fuzziness. So maybe it’s more a unique thing with the Promarkers?
"There are no mistakes just happy accidents"- Bob Ross
"there are no accidents"- Oogway
The epic showdown
These videos are amazing
(Also glad you’re ok considering the storm)
As soon as I saw I clicked you should make cheap vs expensive videos more often
I have waited so long for this and you nailed it. I’m glad your ok I would have missed your videos
Please do finecolour markers
They have over 400 colours and are lot cheaper than copic and have good quality refills and nib replace
Never heard of these glad you brought them up, good idea for a vid i hope he sees this.
Colour :(
Great video, love the artwork! I use both pro markers and Copic markers and honestly the main difference is only the price point. For most artists paper is always a factor and most artists will choose the paper that suits the what’s they’re using. You don’t use copy paper or regular paper with watercolors right. Both are great sets and as you proved, both can give you excellent results. Overall great video.
This video screamed jazza v ADC to me personally as you like pro and jazza uses copic 🤣🤣 awesome video as per usual x
We most certainly do differ on that!
I'm actually one of very few who isn't a big fan of copic, maybe I'm doing something wrong 🤔
Nahhh not doing anything wrong I really enjoy using pro markers too don't get the hype for copics.
Yeah you are not doing anything wrong ADC
I going to try this Art 👍I love Art🎨
I have Copics and I have to say I think part of the problem you had with blending the green was the lightest green you used. The G000 is the second lightest green marker they make (the lightest is G0000) and I find that using it to try and blend greens that aren’t as light as it is causes a lot of trouble and causes the colors to separate. It would be interesting to see how it would have come out if you had had a green that was closer in color to the others.
That said, I really enjoyed the comparison and hearing your thoughts on the two brands!!
I love the look of the results, I think especially considering the cost there's not much reason to choose copics over promarkers, so it makes sense to get promarkers.
Also, as a suggestion, it would be cool to see how the Arteza everblend markers looks alongside Promarkers, as that's what I have
Didn't we do that episode?? I think i did.. possibly with Dr Doom.
I'd have to check but I'm sure I I that match 🙂
@@ADCArtAttack ah you did, missed that one!
I think the only reason I will choose copics over W&N is because of the abundance and the refils
Watching your marker work is always a joy!
Thx for getting me into art.great drawing to day
This is gorgeous. For me the only way the price diff would matter is if it is more archival. I literally see no other reason.
Crazy prices, they look great though. Based on this video I like how the promarkers look over the copic. Suppose I'll just stick with my Ohuhu markers. They get the job done and look good without breaking the bank.
I never tried them but I tried Amazon 20€ markers (the cheapest) and they did the job too . I tried promarkers briefly because my brother had a set of 12 and I can tell you that it's nothing alike and the pro and brush markers are so smoooooth and nice to use. I'm slowly building my collection. I advice you try them they are worth their price (if you're in EU)
I have family living in kerpen......it was in the middle of the areas that got "hit" by the storm!...luckaly they didnt get "hit"!....hope your friends and family are doing well and all are safe!.....awesome vid, thanks for sharing!
“$500 is cheep!”
I can buy a PlayStation 5 with that...
Sure, if you can find one in stock anywhere.
I like the promarker side. You're making me want to get them. I'm glad you're ok after that terrible storm. I hope everyone is well over there. Stay safe and take care!
I had the complete set of Promarkers, but I found them completely overshadowed by Copics. So I took a few years to get the full set of Copics and have never used my Promarkers since!
Love your videos man all the way from 🇯🇲
Admit it ADC, you went a little TOO overboard for the price of the expensive side in the title 😂
I wish it were true..... But, it's location based and, yeah... I kinda did a little haha. BUUUUUTTTT If I wanted ALL Copic SKetch here I would pay close to $4000, not including their special collections
@@ADCArtAttack that seems like too much ngl man 😂
@@ayman_idk3465 $10 - $12 per marker where I am, more in art stores. 360 x that, add on any extras... an entire range will break my bank haha
@@ADCArtAttack I actually got the whole collection (in the US) for $2500! I guess it really does depend on location.
@@ADCArtAttack if have to sell a kidney and a lung to get em 😂
Considering there are shifts in the promarkers partly masked by the color choices and years of practice that leads to developing techniques that help avoid leaving the unpleasant splitting so obvious, it leaves one to wonder how much would change on the copic side if they were more frequently used to develop the same types of adjustments in use to get the desired results. Granted, that still wouldn't alleviate the price issue, but it's a curiosity thing.
Awesome!! I see new video I click 🔥
Looking sharp with the black shirt! I really want to start with markers and this video was helpful! Thank you
I order my pro markers from Jackson’s art and I live in the US. They are still cheaper and better than the copics.
How’s the shipping to the u.s from Jackson’s? I’ve been wanting to order stuff but I’ve read a lot of really bad reviews
@@thatmobsta I’ve never had a problem with them, everything comes in the plastic wrap and those are boxed. It normally takes just under 2 weeks to receive your supplies
Wow he is absolutely awesome
Not art related .... but man, that shirt looks good on you 😎
Hey dude.
Hope your keeping safe with all the flooding, a friends of mines husband has been missing for more than a day now after their village got hit.
Keep safe with these crazy time man, bleib gesund und siche, gruße um Svala. Beileid für den Schaden ihrerFreunde und Familie.
Awesome work as always with the drawing!
Have you ever used the chanemeleon markers would love a video on them.
Also I prefer copic marker mainly because I haven't tired anything else 🙃
I have chameleons the game a lot of time and practice using them but the are great once you've got use to them, they are expensive aswel but you only need to pay refill inks and nibs after the first expense
@@donnacarr663 yeah the expensive side is what puts people of I do think they look brilliant though
@@Marktherocketdarts once you get used to how they work I do think that they are worth the money, the nibs are easily swapped and the ink you buy as replacement with do six to seven refills, the hard part is learning how you can get these best out of them, I have the full set and hf the toppers and the ranch of colour's are brilliant 👏
Well, both brands are ridiculously expensive in Colombia due to importing costs, so I go with the one that doesn't make spend more money on "the right paper". I've got a few Promarkers and they're great in cheap or expensive paper, and they're easier to find than Copics as well.
This video has a Glorious Purpose 🔥
“I bought this collection just for the intro”
Me: give
I own both Copic and Promarkers, and I totally vouch for your statement about the latter being much more applicable to all kinds of papers. I find myself using Promarkers more to color on my coloring books with varying types of paper.
I do want to point out that your art style, which is very cartoon-y and graphic, is not really in line with the intended use of Copics, which is meant for manga and illustration, where they tend to go for a more softer, painterly look most of the time, hence the slower ink flow. Promarkers on the other hand, are designed precisely for graphic artists who value good color payoff, even application and bright, distinctive colors.
I’m glad I’m not alone. Coptic never seemed to perform how I wanted and itlways thought it was me.
I do think the Coptic markers have done a better job with this piece
A hurricane also came to my country not long ago. Fortunately no one died or was injured but many houses were affected and big trees were pulled up from the roots. I was out of electricity for 3 days when rounded off. Others spent a week without electricity. And our water was also off and we were still expected to do our exams. Either way. I thank God it wasn't any worse and I pray that y'all can recover from the storm as quickly as possible. My regards go to your wife and family and i hope those who lost loved ones, will be given peace and can recover too
Lil but click bait with the prices 😂
Both are great and have different finishes. Brilliant!
Wow.. Exactly when the storm and big flood in Germany and Belgium happened. Glad you guys are alright.. Look forward for your next contents.
Yes I have been waiting for this dude
GLORIOUS PURPOSE!
You know guys honestly the best thing I have is to hear only one poem about a new subscriber 😀🙃
Wow! Copic is o undoubtedly the king of color markers. The side of the copic is astonishing
eye catching drawings are the best looking of course and blending and depth is the key to do it now blending is the best in pro marker so i think they are the winner of this one
Absolutely... GLORIOUS!
My issue is always with how long the markers last. Nothing to me is more infuriating than having a marker that flows wonderfully at the outset but doesn't last through the entire artwork. So far as I know, no one has tested the brands against each other for who can outlast, and are they consistent on flow throughout. Maybe that could be an upcoming challenge?
Amazing
I have used W&N brush markers exclusively for over a decade and have never been disappointed!
alcohol markers do not contain pigments. they are made of dye. so the problem you had with the copics may cause by the paper. i tried promarker/brushmarkers and copics on various types of paper and they have different effects as well as even color saturation.
I think I pick the 5K one,but I think it's because your so great at coloring,so to that's great to hear,also hope y'all have a great day.
it''s so satisfying to watch till the end
I have been saving for so so long and have recently bought all 5 sets of Copic Sketch (and the 120 tin of Polychromo Pencils)! No regrets! I used to always drool over them when I'd see them, it's a dream come true for me! *Edit- I hope you all recover from the storm, and you're awesome for helping the animal shelters. I hope the animals are all ok and that your wife's family and friends can get help and be back on their feet very soon :(
I love this series please keep this contint up!!
This is amazing. Best UA-cam series
I will say for me, I found copics best when blending dark to light. Not the way done in video. Also letting each layer time to dry before putting in more color. But I do now want to try the pro marker after seeing this.
I like the copic personally. The “separation “ to me makes it look like it has texture
Here's a fun fact: When I bought my copics ~15 years ago or so (yes, it's been a while), I was able to get the whole color range of the normal Copic Markers (which had the most colors back then) for roughly 400 Euro.
I have no idea what happened that they increased in price THAT MUCH....
(and btw, it's a Japanese Brand)
Black NEEDS to be in EVERYTHING!