I Can't Believe The Thunder Did This...
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- After a 57 win season that earned them the 1 seed, the OKC Thunder have arguably improved on both ends after signing Isaiah Hartenstein.
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Seems like the good teams are just getting better-Mavs, Thunder, 76ers. The Mavs/Thunder rivalry will be legendary for years to come. I'm still mad that Thunder got Caruso. Now Hart is another bad man.
76ers are not a good team
@@mateuscarneiro3371yeah okay byo
@@mateuscarneiro3371How can you even say that, with Maxey, Paul George and Joel the only issue is if they can stay healthy. But they are a great team.
@@joshreid1006 be honest, they haven't even played together, how can they be a great team? All of these teams have to prove they improved. I don't think the Mavs improved due to losing key players in Derrick Jones, Jr. and Josh Green, only getting Klay Thompson in return, who isn't quite what he used to be.
@@fredomadeit4875 mavs are so bad lol
I love that I think we're seeing a small comeback of the big men in basketball.
It's not that post-ups are great offensively, but proper screens and inside threats open up the outside threat, as well as the backcourt drives. Rebounding has also been ignored for too long.
On defence everyone has been so busy finding wing defenders, they forgot there's nothing you can do on the perimeter, if you always need to collapse the defence for any penetration. A good rim presence disallows the drives without help, forcing long twos or giving the perimeter defence a chance to contest
Basketball is a holistic game, and you can't leave areas unchecked if you want to win. A balanced game with multiple threats, and solid inside-out defence wins games, series, and chips.
This team's biggest threat now is injuries. Hartenstein's screens will levetate J-Dub's game tremendously in second unit minutes, especially in the playoffs where J-Dub struggled getting seperation this year. Shai excels with just ghost screens already. If this team stays healthy, they have an undeniable advantage over any other teams in the west and can give a healthy Boston a real shot
wit the depth of our bench that should really help keep everyone healthy. No excessive minutes going to be needed
Health is key for everyone, OKC players are not particularly injury prone
Thunder need to trade dort for Jonathan Isaac or Deni advija as both are better rebounder and are able to guard 1 to 5 because of their height
Thunder will only be a championship team if they pull of a trade for Isaac or Deni to replace dort
Thunder need to trade dort for Jonathan Isaac or Deni advija as both are better rebounder and are able to guard 1 to 5 because of their height
Thunder will only be a championship team if they pull of a trade for Isaac or Deni to replace dort
@@sanket518yeah great idea. Trade the guy that completely locked down Ingram and held Luka to 25 ppg in the playoffs
Presti top 5 GM all time. just needs a chip to solidify it. he makes the right moves… players just sometimes get greedy (baby thunder)
No Championship and he picked Giddy over Franz Wagner/Trey Murphy/Jalen Johnson/Johnathan Kuminga
@@KnowThyself47every single GM misses on a pick. You cant just look at one. And that’s not even a bust of a pick, Giddey is still a starter on a lot of teams
If OKC was a big market like LA or GSW, with a lot of money to spend and easy access to top players, they would have won at least once.
@@KnowThyself47hater
@@unkownknob The Hayward trade was a COMPLETE DISASTER and proves my point that Sam has Waaaaaay to many BOOTLICKS around him.... Tre Mann=MUCH BETTER THAN TOPIC...Davis Bertans=Could've helped against P.J.....Vasilije Micic=SAM DOESN'T KNOW TALENT.........IF SAM WOULD'VE HIRED ME OKC WOULD HAVE AT LEAST 2💍 BY NOW.....FAKE BASKETBALL GENIUS= SAM PRESTI
Wild that when people try to project their starting lineup, it’s somewhat common for them to have Caruso starting over Dort. There’s not a chance in hell that Dort doesn’t start.
It’s not a knock on Dort to have Caruso starting. Caruso is just a more well rounded and refined version of Dort and that’s mainly due to experience. Dort will get there but as of right now Caruso is the better player.
@@chancejanssen190 It's who finishes the game ... not who starts. I think Dort will remain as the starter just for continuity. Dort will probably get more minutes to save Alex from injuries, etc.
@@randygraham926 did you not read the original comment I was replying to or did you just feel like yapping about something I’m not even talking about?
Okc has an answer for every opposing offense and defense, they can go big they can go small they can 5 out, they can lock up the perimeter and the paint. Imagine Dort and Caruso funneling guards to the paint where Chet or Iheart hunt for blocks insane to think about, as of now this team on paper is the champion
They gonna get Carusofied in the Dorture Chamber
I would not put OKC over Cs just yet
@@javigar133 okc split the series with Boston in the regular season, it’s really a toss up
Thank you for yet another insightful video with clear cut examples and break downs with benefits and cons.
Great video
To me Caruso isn’t locked in the starting 5.
And to me I’m just super curious how the defence will look! How you score on a team who got Dort, Caruso, Cason,Chet,Ihart,Jwill and more??
He’s definitely starting
I agree. I see Isaiah Joe starting at SG. Caruso will likely come off the bench for SGA in the 2nd Quarter and then play the 4th Quarter.
The bigger question is how you gonna stop the Suns Big 3 from scoring?
@@paulievespucci6867 did you not watch our games against them last year?
@@G-BlocksterJoe isn’t starting over Dort or Caruso. I think we start both Dort and Caruso and have Ihart come off the bench
At least one guy in US sport that is, first able to and, second gives some effort to pronounce a foreign name correctly. Thanks a lot for that. greetings from Germany
You and hockey psychology keep giving relevant videos in the summer / off season 😎
I am so sad the Knicks lost I Hart. But I love him for the Thunder. As an aside, Centers as passing hubs is the new meta.
I highly doubt Caruso will be starting, he's gonna play big minutes off the bench though
Agreed
I like Isaiah Joe starting at SG at least in the regular season.
It'll be SGA, JDub, Dort, Caruso, Chet. Secondary will be Isiah Joe, Cason Wallace, Aaron Wiggins, Dieng/Williams/Williams, Hardenstein. The rotation won't be a clean first and second unit, it'll stagger and mix and match fluidly as we did all season last year.
The game is 48 minutes, Who cares Who starts? Alex Will be a huge piece this year
@@G-Blocksteridk man regular season yeah but I like him to come off the bench and hit some big threes to give momentum. I think not knowing who will start is a good problem to have tho
1:37 in my opinion, JWill actually did a pretty good job defending Jokic in some of the regular season games last year.
I think the Thunder are favorites in the West we just got the 1 seed last year and fixed our 2 biggest weaknesses
I believe the Thunder and The Celtics are the only teams with 5 players in the top 30 of BPM from last season
Only Mavs and OKC have a chance at making the finals next year I think
As a Mavs fan I agree. I had some heated conversations before our series with some Thunder fans. My point was that the Thunder lack PO experience and size/physicality. Thunder fans thought those points are not that important. Well, they were. Now BOTH problems got adressed and fixed... in a nearly perfect way. And the franchise didnt even have to give up one pick to get there... Caruso has Championship experience and is one of the 3 best 3&D perimeter roleplayers in the league. And I Hart is just perfect as a true big Center to provide Chet with the help he needs banging down low and securing rebounds. And he also has already proven in 2 PO runs that his impact is as good in the postseason. Only thing missing is Hartenstein shooting 3's like Lopez... but thank god he cant, cause that would be just unfair! 😋
Bearing big injuries 60+ wins is the minimum for me. If your team is the healthiest team in the league again (like last season), even 65 should be possible. Playoffs? Well lets wait and see. But right now I think (hope) we could get a OKC vs DAL rematch in the WCF, cause I think our teams are the 2 best in the west. Dallas just has to stay somewhat healthy (we were by far the most injured WC playoff team last season) and reach a top 3 seed first... 🤨
Denver fan ... and I have Thunder in the finals ... if they are healthy. Just too deep for a team like Denver now.
So stoked with the moves they made. Excited for next season
Great video, I’m excited to see if OKC can improve even more from last year, should be a fun team.
By the way, when do you think you’ll be releasing your top 25 players? Will it be closer to now or the beginning of next season?
I met bro in Bali last summer he was super chill. Also ya he’s a legit 7’0 maybe even 7’1
The great thing about I-Hart is he fits our team’s culture really well. We got a lot of competitive, yet goofy guys that have incredible chemistry. I could see I-Hart fitting well for those two things
As a Spurs fan, i take my hat off to you guys. Yall are going to be dangerous for years
They basically took presti from the spurs
As a thunder fan I feel like they are trying to make up for fumbling the dynasty we should have had with KD Westbrook and Harden and they are doing an amazing job
As long as they don't make another Harden Trade.
Yeah that’s what all organizations do, it didn’t work and they try to get better, it’s kind of of like a life motto.
@@jojocircus2314 not what I'm talking about but yes that is the goal
@@Caseycarlo nobody fumbled anything what happened, happened brother. Sometimes you get what mixes well, sometimes you don’t . Oklahoma City has never fumbled . Maybe made a bad play call but that city is the smartest organization arguably in all of professional sports not just the nba.
@@jojocircus2314 I'll give you the last part but the definitely fumbled the harden thing and we never went back to the finals you dont have a 3 overall pick playing off the bench say what you want but go back and look at it rebuilding since then just now back to that spot now and I think these moves put us passed that team
I only knew him this year with the Knicks. Good for him, he has a name now.
Any player that goes to NY , and plays hard and plays well always gets picked up on huge contracts else where . That’s the bad side of being a large franchise and frequently televised , you get more recognition and attention , with that we lose a lot of our break out players who obviously want to chase the generational wealth . As they should
@@knicksknoggin I wish NY could have kept him, but I love him for OKC.
Man i am excited for this season
You’re gonna have a million subs one day another great video bro
incredibly deep team man. 3 different players that could start depending on matchup is crazy.
And that starting 4 is SOLID
Shai/ Chet/ Jdub/ Caruso
Hartenstein is what a pro wants. He's what a pro needs.
excellent breakdown
In don’t get why people are talking so much about Paul George and Klay Thompson…the Thunder have BY FAR made the best moves so far in free agency. This signing is going to be huge for them.
Those guys have big name value. Thunder should be in the finals next year if healthy. I'm a Denver fan but they've been getting weaker since they won the chip. Made no effort to build a strong bench after losing Brown and Green.
Klay may not work out ... and Paul George is injury prone ....
A couple of clarifications: His defensive rebounding is crazy good. He was just contesting and making the opponent miss, which leaves him out of position to rebound, or he was boxing out for players like Josh Hart to rebound. That's why the Knicks were a pretty good defensive rebounding team while being severely undersized with Randle, Mitch, OG, and others injured most of the season.
Also, Hartenstein literally led the league in 3-point% as a Clipper (yes, you are reading this right). It was on low attempts, but high enough to show he CAN shoot if you want him to (Thibs didn't let him do it). No offense, but you should check the stats before making this video. Also, he is far better than Sabonis at literally everything: passing, scoring, shooting, defending-EVERYTHING.
Definitely not a better rebounder or passer than Sabonis
@@trout5374 It’s hard to PROVE because of their different roles, different USG%, etc., but for example, at 22 years old their usage was comparable. Sabonis had a 23.5 USG% and an AST% of 18.2 while Hartenstein had 19.6 USG% and 22.8 AST%, which means he had LESS usage and a BETTER AST%. Like I said, it’s hard to prove because it’s all about potential with Hartenstein as he never got the chance like Sabonis does. But if he had the freedom to play like Sabonis, he would be the best passer in the league, maybe better than Jokic.
As a rebounder, Hartenstein is much better, especially as an offensive rebounder, and his teams always do much better in overall rebounding because of how he boxes out for his teammates and his high motor. I don’t need to write the stats because it’s just obvious for anyone that watched both, but these are some of the multiple reasons Hartenstein’s net rating, advanced stats, and impact are miles ahead of Sabonis. They are not really comparable. Hartenstein is on a different tier, he just didn’t have the high minutes and usage for people to care.
@@audio8685 - As a Thunder season ticket holder, I hope you’re right
@@trout5374 Even if Hartenstein never gets the chance to show his MVP potential, which is an actual possibility sadly as his career shows, just having him is enough for you to have a loooot of fun these next two seasons. So, enjoy the ride.
Presti doing an amazing job, these okc boys are gonna be amazing this year
okc was the best team in the west in the regular season.. they learned with dallas and Boston they need to start building for the playoffs.. okc over the next 5 years will be crazy
I think their biggest concern going into next season is still Jokic. We saw what happens when you switch the helper (Gobert/Chet) onto Jokic. Hartebstein is really tall and really heavy so maybe he will also bother Jokic with his weight (Kinda like Kat did). So the key for OKC is, like Minnesota, not conceding the switch to Jokic.
Next year’s NBA would be absolutely incredible especially in the West Denver looks for revenge OKC and Wolves having the experience and Dallas also want to get back to where they were.
And in the East I think would be three headed monster Boston Philly and New York .
The parity of NBA is on all time high which is such a joy for basketball fans.
Boston, New York? Sure... But I dont think Phili is on the same level. They just lack depth. They are the EC version of the Suns. 3 Max guys, 3-4 decent roleplayers and the rest of the roster will be scrubs...
I see them on the same level as Cleveland, Orlando, or Milwaukee at best... if Embiid/PG can stay healthy
I see the Thunder going to the finals if they're healthy. I think the Thunder should have kept Sengun -- one of Presti's few mistakes -- but Hartenstein is currently a better defender.
Thunder clearly in win NOW mode with the Caruso and Hartenstein moves.
(I'm a Denver fan but that franchise is going in the wrong direction, and Jokic can't win it by himself with an even weaker bench and the loss of KCP.) Thunder deserve a shot at a chip.
anyone who says that the anchor is a bad defensive rebounder instantly looses credibility. every nba analyst youtuber fails to understand that if you are contesting a shot your chances of rebounding are slim to none…
pls cover the twolves draft picks 🙏🏿
Knicks fan here: Hartenstein is an amazing pick up but he did get killed in the playoffs vs Embiid and Myles Turner. I wouldn’t count on him to slow down Jokic at all. Mitchell Robinson was the much better Center for defending “big post up” centers
But he is definitely going to help with OKC rebounding and is a very versatile offensive passer. Thunder will be a fun team to watch.
then how about Hartenstein plus Chet
Hartenstein on the big with Chet lurking is a great combo. Knicks just had too many injuries to get past the Pacers ...
@@randygraham926 yeah Chet roaming is going to be fun. I think Hartenstein as an “elite” defender is overrated. He’s a very good defender. I really am going to miss his offensive versatility the most.
I became a thunder fan when i moved to edmond in 2001😂😂
What do you use to get your analytics
SGA, Caruso, Williams, Chet and Hartenstein is a nightmare starting 5
Unless hartenstein can shoot the 3 well for us, j.will will certainly get action. He is an excellent rim protector on the floor (my guy can't jump 😅😅😭😭😂😂) platinum charge card badge and shoots the 3 awesome. But now his minutes can be more impactful because of the hartenstein minutes. So excited for this team. Thunder up!
Dort, Dub & Caruso 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔒🔒🔒🔒🔒‼️‼️‼️‼️
Hartenstein is a legitimate complement to the OKC defense especially rim protection.
my favorite black nba player
Man i miss him already
Who will come off the bench for OKC? Is it Caruso, J Dub, Hartenstein or Lu Dort? A hot take I have is to have J Dub come off the bench to give OKC that scoring punch off the bench and have a more defensive lineup in the starting unit
Bruh this team has to win at least 1 ring before they crumble
If they don't pull a James Harden trade again, they should be ok.
They have 2 years now before the J-Dub and Chet Max extensions (we all agree both will get the Max, right?) kick in. Then this roster will be deep in the Lux Tax and also well over the 2nd apron. And Presti already said that they will not go over that 2nd line. Means in 2026 some changes need to be made. The great thing is they have so many picks, and Presti is (at least for me) the best GM if it comes to finding talent, that they should be able to find cheaper versions of some roleplayers. But 3 Max guys (one even Supermax) under the current rules is hard for any team, let alone a small market team like OKC... Ad the 26 mio of Hartenstein and its basically impossible to keep all the other roleplayers, who are not on a rookie contract, on the roster.
Problem for my Mavs... we have basically the same window, just for other reasons. Kyrie/Klay getting old at that point and need new contracts, same as PJ and Gafford and on top Luka's Super-Super 60+ Mio contract will kick in in 2026 as well. So I am looking forward to some hard battles over the next 2 seasons with both teams being at the top of the West. After that? Its really hard to predict what will happen.
Great take. It makes me feel for NY. That's NY's fault. OKC is going top line smart again.
Thunder need to trade dort for Jonathan Isaac or Deni advija as both are better rebounder and are able to guard 1 to 5 because of their height
Thunder will only be a championship team if they pull of a trade for Isaac or Deni to replace dort
We need a cp3 spurs breakdown video
Jwill was selected by the thunder to have that role offensively. 5 out doesn’t mean Everybody is a shooter. To me his playmaking from screens short rolls and dho is so crafty that keeps defense spread.
Great points but Caruso isn’t a lock to start yet but hopefully he does
I'd much rather have Caruso than Giddey. I think that the Bulls are thinking Lonzo isn't going to be the same again.
Caruso is a win now player -- that's all. Giddey may be great for the Bulls down the road.
the four starters that are locked are shai, dub, dort, and chet I agree that is interchangeable but dort has always been a starter and probably will be. caruso has only started just this past year in his whole career
I am not sure that Dort will lose his starting job to Caruso, although he probably should.
Dont think he should start. Dort is the younger (and healthier) version of Caruso. I think Caruso should be the 6th man of the bench and lead the younger bench guys. And who starts isnt that important anyways... who closes games is. And I am sure Caruso will be in the closing lineup.
He can’t shoot 3’s. Dorts job is safe.
@@Fortune332 Caruso shoots a better percentage from 3 than Dort, although Dort attempts more of them.
@@Fortune332 You don't know what you're talking about ... Caruso is 41% from 3 ... Dort is 39%. 🤣Do some research -- it's not difficult.
But I expect Dort to continue to start ... just for continuity. Alex will come off the bench.
@@randygraham926 Caruso shoots less 3’s than Dort. Dort is a bonafide 3 point threat. Caruso is a bailout 3 point shooter. He isn’t counted on to hit 3’s
When you say statistics you should specify whether the playoffs are included
He did that in all of the stats he used this video
OKC need pursue Jordan Clarkson to INSTANT OFFENSE coming off the BENCH
Knicks fan here…. I hate that we couldn’t keep I Hart. He’s truly a beast on offense if you give him the minutes and correct play-style. Thibs didn’t fully understand how to use him until Mitch got hurt. I will say his unwillingness to put up 1-2 3’s a game is what hurts him the most. So many times he’ll be left alone at the top of the key which stagnates offense as someone is getting double teamed or Atleast shadowed
Surprised the Knicks did that Bridges deal and let Hartenstein walk. We'll see how that works. The other Knicks moves have been brilliant since they signed Brunson.
It’s a give and take move, we didn’t have any wing defenders by Post Season. Bridges almost won DPOY a couple years ago. I Hart is great but also did get torched by Embiid in the 1st Round even with 1 Leg. We need another big, Mitch has proven not to be available for 60+ games a year and Post Season Run.
He only had this "unwillingness" while playing for Thibs. How is it not obvious he wasn't allowed to do anything? On every other team, he did much more and had much higher advanced stats. It makes no sense to blame him for something the coaches did wrong, and it will show if OKC lets him play his game more.
You talking about the Year he played with the clippers where he shot .4 3’s a game with a 46% make and averaged 5 Rebounds a game? Thats when he did more? It’s clear you didn’t watch the Knicks, advanced stats are great when you have no context to them. Mans played 25 min average and had more rebounds, tied his career high assists average and shot 64% from the Field. Not to mention once he started Knicks were better offensively and defensively. No other team could say they did better with I hart on the court which is why they let him walk
@@LordAnt611 I watched every single Hartenstein game, including every single Knicks game watching RJ and Randle taking turns in bad iso after bad iso, which was the worst experience of my whole life, and I'm not even joking.
Your take about other teams not being able to say Hartenstein made them better is as infuriating as it is stupid (no offense, I like you, but it's just stupid for real). You can watch the net rating or any stat, and it shows that he made literally every team better, including the Denver Nuggets. He literally made the Nuggets better with him than playing FUCKING JOKIC (for some reason UA-cam doesn't let me show links, I was trying to send links to his net rating and other stuff). You can also ask any fan if they would like Hartenstein back on their team, and literally no one would think twice. Every single franchise realized their mistake of letting him go eventually.
And don't get me started on the stats because I could go on for hours. So I will just point out the most basic stuff for you to understand: As a Clipper, not only did he lead the NBA in 3P% for anyone with 30 or more attempts (which means he should shoot more, but they didn't let him do it in New York), but he also had a PER of 22, an AST% of 20.5, a BLK% of 5.4, a TS% of .664, and pretty much every advanced stat higher than as a Knick, because there his USG% was 18.4, which was much higher, so he was able to do more. As a Knick, he had a PER of 16.7, an AST% of 11.1 (damn, this was criminal), a BLK% of 4.0, a TS% of .623, and an USG% of 11.6 (one of the lowest in the whole league). Also, as a Cav, pretty much every stat was higher too. I know you are just a Knicks fan who doesn't know anything about Hartenstein and hears constantly the narrative of Thibs improving players, but he treated Hartenstein like he was Mitch and didn't let him do anything.
That's why, even when he was still arguably the best Knicks player in terms of impact, the coaches didn't let him do anything and reduced his impact drastically. It wasn't him being unwilling to shoot; it was the role he was FORCED into, and he is telling us that in the new OKC interviews from today. And that's why the Knicks, just like the Clippers or Cavs, will miss out on winning the championships OKC will win, just because they were stupid and didn't let Hartenstein do his thing.
Caruso will be a game changer
I wish IHart luck he gave the Knicks a great season.
So many experts are taking about Paul George and Klay Thompson, and rightfully so, but I think the Thunder Won the free agenct with these 2 Signings!
Lou starts. SGA. Lou. Jay. Chet. I Hart. Caruso is a sixth starter... He'll play a lot. But like he's always been, he'll be a backup.
If they move Chet to the 4. They maybe unbeatable
It will be situational. Hartenstein will mainly backup Chet .... but Chet can play the 4 when facing certain centers in the league.
Great video but caruso doesn't start tho, lu's their best POA defender, and OKC always starts their best POA defender
did you just say replaced giddey and JALEN WILLIAMS?!?!
Jaylin Williams the big man
So whos the starting 5 ?
The Thunder won free agency and the draft
Dort is starting over Caruso
IHart isn’t the best defensive rebounder because of how he commits on defense. He was a fantastic offensive rebounder (as most Knicks players become) because of Thibs offensive system. I don’t think he’ll be as good for OKC as he was for the Knicks but he’ll definitely help them.
Don’t worry Chet is there to do the work
lol it doesn’t work that way if your a good rebounder you don’t regress in rebounding like scoring
@@bmillersince92
It does work like that. Look at Love’s rebounding numbers before cleveland and after
@@deezosaintloyal he took less of a role lol he wasn’t getting the same amount of minutes and he was hampered by knee injuries he lost his spring
@@bmillersince92if they wanna play 5 out then, yes, it does. IHart won’t be at the rim the get OREBs dawg
Man you can’t compare Shaq & Jokic 1 shoots over you and scores , the Other went right through you and scored Shaq was a different Beast 🦍
Rules were different too.
through* (not threw)
@@rodprops edited appreciate it 🫡
Man, absolutely FUCK the timing of this CBA. Teams in the West are making these amazing rules but the Nuggets are getting pegged and can't afford to keep our role players to compete. Second my team becomes good we get ripped apart
I have been absolutely dismayed by the Nuggets losing key pieces. I want to believe in the young guys they're bringing in, but they won a chip! They are in Joker's prime right now.
Any western teams loaded up to beat the Nuggets are welcome.
I said it 2 years ago, and even more last summer. The Porter Max is killing you! A small market team can not work over the 2nd apron. Your team shouldve tryed to break that contract up into at least 2 solid roleplayers last summer. Not sure they can do it now... But with his money on the roster, the Nuggets just have no chance to get a decent bench.
My idea was Bogdanovic/Burks vs Porter to Detroit last summer. Bogdanovic could replace Porters role as a starter and high volume 3P shooter 1on1 and Burks wouldve been a good bench piece as well. He isnt Bruce Brown, but he is a solid 3&D guy who can also somewhat create for others. Now? I dont see a move like that...
@Smido83 that works offensively, sure, but despite his terrible reputation as a defender, MPJ is extremely important for our scheme. His height and length are necessary to allow Jokic to play at the level of the screen, where he's at his best. Him and AG need to fly in the background to be effective. And offensively, even when his shot isn't falling, teams can't just risk him being open, we saw him miss every shot vs. the wolves, and they STILL had Mcdaniels drapped all over him. Being a small market that HAS to overpay market value to keep our role players sucks, but that's a reality that will always happen given how Jokic elevates teamates - inflating their value
@@michaelbietsch2864 Bogdanovic has a bad reputation as a defender, but as long as he doesnt have to be the POA defender, is is pretty decent. That being said, of course he is a bit smaller. On the other hand Burks can be a PoA defender off the bench, so overall the roster wouldnt loose much on offense and defense...
BUT had they made the trade, KCP would still be on the roster right now... thats the point! Is MPJ alone worth as much as KCP+Bogdanovic+Burks? MPJ earns 36 mio Bogdanovic 19, KCP just signed for 21 in the 1st year and Burks just signed a vet min deal. Means a slight overpay and he mightve stayed as well (10/2 2nd year player option). So 45 Mio for 3 wings or 36 mio for one... btw the team would still be under the 2nd Tax Apron...
Specially as a small market team you have to find the right moments to bank in on your assets. Denver did a great job getting Gordon and KCP for pennys on the Dollar. They missed the right moment with Porter when his value was at the peak.
so why did the knicks trade him it kinda seems like they needed him
They didn’t trade him, he left in free agency.
They made the silly Bridges trade ... and Knicks couldn't pay Hartenstein enough.
We’ll see if I Hart and Chet can work together when they run 5-out that could be weird
Chet has been training with KD a lot. I'm curious if he is going to try and model more of his offensive game after him. That would make him more of a 4 or small ball 5 as he develops.
Why should they run 5 out with both? You do know that 5 out isnt the only offensive system that can work, right?
@@Smido83but that’s what they ran last year 5-out spread pick and rolls
@@Smido83they LOVE to run that
@@dboii9741 Cause they had no elite rim runner and screen setter. Now they have. Now they can run some classic P&R, dribble handoffs and of course still run 5-out. Hartenstein will not play 48 minutes... you know?
he will start shooting 3s like he did at Clippers at near 47%
Can’t be the only person that thinks this trade is going to change everything for them in a potential bad way.
If you’re talking about Caruso I’m not sure how that would hurt them at all? He’s drastically better than Giddey at everything on the court besides passing. If you’re talking about Hartenstein he was a free agent signing and I don’t see how he hurts them either. He’s literally exactly what they needed against the Mavs and what they would need against other post heavy teams.
@@chancejanssen190 we will see
They need another back up 7 footer
they dont...
Yes yes yes, especially in case chet or Isaiah get injured. But we need a backup 7 footer that can DEFEND and shoot 3's. If you dont want your big man playing getting exhausted trying to get back to defend fast break situations, he needs to be able to hang at the 3 point line on offense. The Love for small ball will fade (is fading already) because taller is ALWAYS better as long as all other things like mobility are equal. Small ball beats slow lumbering big men all day every day. But a quick agile big that can shoot 3's is PRICELESS.
Knicks Fans in shambles 😢
He's not a great defensive rebounder because he blocks out all the time. So other guys on his team benefit of this. For example he's much better rebounder than Randle
OKC got worse with the Giddey/Caruso trade but got better adding Hartenstein. That being said everybody needs to understand that Presti gave away Sengun and Lively who I think are both better players, specifically Sengun who averaged 21/9/5 last season and will be an all star at some point. Funny that nobody is talking about him giving that guy away. Presti is a phenomenal GM and doing an excellent job but he's not without his fair share of complete blunders and the worst of all time trading Harden.
Sengun a cupcake come playoff time.
Lively doesn’t fit okc system.
Giddey is gonna break a lot of stadistical records but never win.
@@vicentiklo LMAO. Sengun is going to be an all star. Lively was a huge part of why Dallas beat us. Do you know anything about basketball whatsoever??
@@joeldriver-sp2rg you can be an all star during regular season and never win a chip.
Lively makes sense with dallas style of play but not okcs.
Sengun plays absolutely zero defense. Hartenstein is a better fit, even if hes not a better player. We got Wallace for Lively, who is also really good
@@OliverWhale Dude are you serious? Sengun averaged 21/9/5 last year and will be an all star at some point. What are you talking about defense for?? LMAO There are very few players capable of those type of numbers so even if his defense is subpar clearly he would be a massive net positive game in and game out. Also, have you ever heard of player development and guys improving on defense? That's what coaching is for. Also if you put Lively on OKC last year they might very well have won it all and they most certainly would have gotten past Dallas. Lively is a big part of why they beat us. I'm glad they got Hart but let's not act as if Presti didn't screw up by giving away two guys that clearly he should have kept in the first place.
They need a tweener like Kuzma tho
Ousmane Dieng breakout year incoming
I wouldn't want Kuzma on my YMCA team.... 🤣
KAT is a fake 7ft he’s like 6ft 10
"Best post scorer since shaq plays in the west" - Ugh.. I'm not sure Embiid plays in the west tho.
Not yet ;)
Jokic 6 post ups per game: freq 26%, 60.5% FG%
Embiid 5.8 post ups per game: freq 19%, 56.5% FG%
The difference was even bigger in 2022/23...
Jokic is a better post scorer than Embiid ... look at the stats, babycakes. What is wrong with people? 😂 It's like their brain is locked up....
Celtics in 6, i’m afraid
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He forgot to mention Jdub at the end saying that there starting 4 is solidified smh
I said JDub!
@@HoopVenueDort is the 4th solidified starter. He has started since the later part of his rookie season and is an elite 3 pt shooter as well as an elite defender.
So SGA, JDub, Dort, Chet and then either Caruso or Ihart based on what our head coach wants to prioritize. I think it'll be Ihart based on how lethal the Chet and Ihart combo will be on D and the offense will get worked out through the season.
I get IHart was needed on for the lack of big men but IHart is gonna get smoked by Gafford 4x a year as well as Wemby lol. Remember Thibs made Zay who he is, without thibs we’ll see what he has to offer. Domas bro???? Come on
1st Gafford will not start next season. Lively will take over the starting C spot in Dallas.
2nd Dont underestimate I Harts mobility. Specially with Chet playing "free savety" as a help defender. OKC will be a real problem. on offense and defense.
3rd Thibs didnt even understand how good Hartenstein is, hence why he wasnt the starter to begin the season. Only after the Robinson injury he got it. And Hartenstein was still not used to the best of his abilities on offense. Cause Thibs is a great defensive coach and can motivate players extremely well. But offense really isnt his strengh.
@@Smido83 valid points in your statement however… gafford WILL start next year again, lively just isn’t there yet, you want lively banging against Wemby? God bless if so. 2ndly i watched hartenstein since he was a Knick, i personally never liked the guy, and his high floater with the left. He will certainly fill a void OKC was lacking but don’t expect IHart to be a savior or be the same guy he was in NY. That was an expectation free IHart that turned into a starter. Thibs certainly saw the potential but dude got cooked against the pacers. And just couldn’t handle guarding players Mitch doesn’t seem to have the same issues with as Ihart. Mitch is a beast don’t forget he was having a career year before the injury this past season. Wait on it and then we speak again
7feet SG. Lol this takes his advantage away.
They could’ve won 60 games if Shai didn’t get injured
lol... the Thunder were by far the healthiest team in the League last season.
How much more injury luck do they need? The OKC starting 5 played 63 games together... name any other PO team with a starting 5 over 60 games. As a comparison: Minnesota 44 games, Boston 37, Indiana 25, Dallas 16 (after the trade) + 10 (before)... just to name the 4 conference finals teams. Want more? Denver 48, New York 10 (after the OG trade) + 12 and 14 before, Cleveland 28... so no other teams starting 5, that reached the 2nd round, even got to 50 games together.
If anything, get ready for LESS injury luck. Cause that wasnt normal!
@@Smido83this is such a stupid argument because you need luck to be able to win games that obvious also those teams have clear injury prone players on them how about they don’t build their team around players who get injured a lot
@@Wrestle_Kingdom Did you read the og comment? The Thunder had already the most luck out of all teams. And he said "IF SGA plays more games..."
But ok... IF every Dallas rotation player had played 80 games Dallas wouldve won 60 games... great comment right? Makes complete sense!
Look at the Kings. They were the healthiest team in 2022/23... reached the 3rd seed. This season they had normal injury problems... missed the playoffs. And none of their rotation guys is known as injury prone as well! So yeah, OKC was extremely lucky last season if it comes to injuries. And the OG comment talks about even more luck...
@@Smido83 i understand the original comment and my argument is that injury luck applies for everyone so it stupid to criticize a team for having it because typically if your team is more healthy you win more games it that simple so his argument still stands if shai didn’t get hurt they probably win 60 games and if others team were healthy they probably win.
Also the kings was the only example that still didn’t disprove my argument of the teams you named have injury prone players so I can’t criticize okc because they don’t get injured when teams like Dallas have guys kyrie on their team
Psalm 23:4❤Jesus Christ is God😊
KNICKS SUCK BIG TIME FOR NOT RESIGNING MY SON I-HART!! 😡😡
They couldnt. They offered him all the money they could.
The OKC offer was just on a completely different level.
Nothing they could do about it!
@@Smido83 they signed Bridges instead of I-Hart 👎👎🤷♂
@@rodpropsNo they didnt... are you stupid? NY could never offer him more then 78/4... not before the Bridges trade, not after.
all this just to lose to Luka
Luka won’t beat the thunder this season
Lmao Kyrie Luka and Klay all trying to be on ball defenders?!? Too easy 😂
bros account is dedicated to another man 😆get his d out ya mouth
Agreed. I love what Dallas did this off-season. Thunder fans, it ain't enough....lol
@@tyronerhodes6878thunder did more than dallas lol
3 years 87 million is crazy overpaying
You act like it’s your money!! Also it’s really not overpaying, he’s 25 years old Claxton got 4 years 100 million, this is 60 million for 2 years with a team option to get off the contract if he doesn’t work out, they can clear him off the books and sign Chet and dub, this is okcs all in for 2 years, while still having the young players develop into potentially superstars
Not if you’re the thunder, they have this amount of cap space that needs to be spent or else it’ll go away in a few years
All of our players are young and cheap until Jdub and Chet need rookie extensions. So they kind of matched Ihart to that schedule.
Yes, but that is what the doctor ordered
Weren’t the Thunder 3-1 vs Denver last season 🤔
They didn’t play the nuggets goofy🤡
They were but I think Denver wasn’t fully healthy for like 2 games…correct me if I’m wrong
Good job beat the cocky Nuggets like the T-wolves in the playoffs. Enjoy game 7 Nuggets meltdown.
@@accordingtodrew7302 Actually I think you’re right. Murray missed 2 matchups and Jokic once. Nuggets probably get knifed by Nuggets
Seems like the good teams are just getting better-Mavs, Thunder, 76ers. The Mavs/Thunder rivalry will be legendary for years to come. I'm still mad that Thunder got Caruso. Now Hart is another bad man.
The Caruso signing would’ve been the best signing of our offseason, but adding Hartenstein is the best free agent signing we’ve ever had.
You forgot knicks
Thunder need to trade dort for Jonathan Isaac or Deni advija as both are better rebounder and are able to guard 1 to 5 because of their height
Thunder will only be a championship team if they pull of a trade for Isaac or Deni to replace dort
Klays washed Mavs got worse
I'm so ready for next years playoffs and its barely July 😂
Hartenstein will do the dirty work for Chet and bully/out physical the Wembys and Livelys….Chet can comfortably focus on being a bucket now…Chet can turn into KD now for OKC
Shai is Harden
Chet is KD
this shall be fun to watch 📈📈📈📈
Celtics in 6, i’m afraid