Thank you for watching my video about the Five Ages of Krynn. What is your favorite age? Is there one you would never want to play in? Leave a comment below!
Kender? Yes but I have a name. Tasselhoff Burrfoot to you kind sir! Oh how clumsy of you I think you dropped this. Is this your wallet? You should be more careful you know?
Is Takhisis another victim of Tiamat who's very guise was assumed as any doppelganger would? Methinks so. No amount of evil can endure the darkness just as no amount of evil can endure the light..
@@kenlamella8996(Edited because apparently this texting device is more complicated than the Device of Time Journeying, which is like...) Oh actually let me give it back to you. Wait, isn't this a spoon? Oh it's the fabled Kender Spoon of Turning. No, not turning porridge in a bowl. Let me tell you about this from one of the tales from Uncle Trapspringer...
Very cool, I've never seen them for sale anywhere. Wish I knew what ever happened to my "art of dragonlance" book. (I always wanted lord soths charge printed as a 6foot mural)
Thank you for this video series! I started reading the Dragonlance novels last year during the lockdown and have been hooked on the world of Krynn ever since. I doubt I get an opportunity to play these games (I’m in my 40s and none of my friends are into this stuff) however, I am collecting the sourcebooks and anything else that has more info on this incredible universe. I must admit it was Larry Elmore’s art that attracted me initially, but wow, what a world to explore! Thanks again for posting this series. I’m loving it! BTW, subscribed!
Thank you for watching! I am also in my 40's and though I don't have time to play AD&D, I try to make time for board games and limited video games, as they take far less time. Welcome to Dragonlance!
The "Fifth Age" Trilogy (NOT written by Weis and Hickman) that spans the gap between 'Dragons of Summer Flame' and 'Dragons of a Fallen Sun' very nearly killed Dragonlance for me. I'm sure the authors tried their best, but sadly failed and to this day I STILL can't get even halfway through 'The Dawning of A New Age' without giving up on it. This has always been my bugbear, as it made reading the 'War of Souls' trilogy that much harder to get into; trying to understand what had happened to Krynn and where these massive Dragon Overlords had come from. I do hope Weis and Hickman WILL return to Krynn soon, with another well-written and spectacular trilogy, as the Age of Mortals seriously needs reinvigorating after the excellent 'Dark Disciple' books! I want to read MORE about what Dalamar does next, and how Palin Majere manages to survive without the magic. Perhaps the spirits of his Father, Caramon, and 'Uncle Raistlin' will return once more to convince him to accept the Magic in order to fight a new evil?!
loved it :) i only recently got into dragonlance...i love all the periods...i think age of despair is very interesting but also age of mortals can give a dm great possibilities especially after mina became goddess of tears because he can do anything he wants in this new and relatively peaceful era...artifacts to be found...cults trying to resurrect takhisis etc..the possibilities are endless...but i am 42 and only played dnd once in my life maybe i am wrong lol but i love the lore of epic fantasy ty for doing this....
@@DLSaga also i kinda think now that the side of good and evil are headless (since only gilean is left from the trinity) balance is preserved, but the places of paladine and takhisis sould be filled somehow in the future...which means the remaining gods/ or even humans could find ways to ascend lol and that opens so many possiblilities for heroes in that era...
My favorite character is the Black Robed wizard, Fistandantilus. He was the original evil genius, orchestrating all the major events across several ages of the world. He pioneered many great sorceries, including the Timereaver spell and the curse on the Tower of Palanthus. He constructed (or was granted by Tahkisis, depending on which tale you go with) the bloodstone pendant, the most powerful artefact ever known, which allowed him to cheat death by stealing the bodies of his young apprentices. He began as a Red Robe, but turned to the Black when Gilean refused to allow him extended life. He was the master of past and present, who devised a plan to topple the Dark Queen herself and take her place as a God. Every single thing Raistlin accomplished, was merely built upon what Fistandatilus had already done. Without the evil wizard, Raistlin would not have even survived his Test, and the War of the Lance would have been lost. Raistlin was a sickly wretch of only mediocre magical skill, who stood upon the shoulders of this dark visionary to achieve the power that he did. It was arguably only because of the Law of the High God, which decreed that the River of Time could not be changed, that Fistandantilus failed to return at the end of Dragons of an Hour Glass Mage. He may yet return, in some future era.
Fist failed the dwarven war with the explosion at the portal,Raistlin succeeded where he had failed (not to mention the paradox of traveling back in time to be an apprentice of the dark one then beating him in single magical combat, which don’t make as much sense to me now as it did when I was 15, but still riveting to me to this day) Raistlin is my favorite.
Love all of the Dragonlance stuff, but stopped playing when the game changed to the SAGA rules. Now I bring elements of Dragonlance and Krynn into my home brew games. Thank the Gods for Planescape and Spelljammer which allows the Kender and Draconians etc to be able to move between worlds and 'find' mine.
@@DLSaga Unfortunately, the 5th Age version of the game, just looked too much like Ravenloft with Dragons. If I wanted that, I would have played a lot more Ravenloft... But it is/was what it is/was. I didnt read much past the Chaos War. Just couldnt get into the Next Gen characters. Enjoying your videos regardless...
I played the AD&D 2e Dragonlance Campaign setting, and a few guys from my gaming group bought the new Fifth Age set back from GenCon in either '96 or '97. We never really got into it, both because we didn't care for the Saga System, and because we didn't like the Age of Mortals. We occasionally played one-offs with the set, but typically stuck with the 2e War of the Lance boxed set. The Age of Despair was, and still is, my favorite age.
it really is the core part of dragonlance and the later stuff only happened due to the IP beeing so succesfull and so they milked it for all the cash until nobody liked it anmore. Pretty much just like the game of thrones series went from really nice to so terrible i couldnt get myself the reading the later books.
Hardcore fans. I remember reading my first dragon Lance book when I was 12. The official stamp for dragon Lance the logo was published in 1984. However I remember reading that first book in 1982 how odd. It was a choose your own adventure book and Raistlin was the main character. The name of the book was the test of the towers of high sorcery. Caramon was in it as well. Am I the only one that remembers this choose your own adventure book???
I would be interested in gaming in the Dragonlance universe as it is one of my favorite D&D settings and I've read most of the books. Is there somewhere online that I can find a gaming group for Dragonlance?? Thank you!
The Fifth Age was my favourite back in my D&D days. Dragonlance always felt different and unique to other settings in that it wasn't afraid of change, the world was a very different place by the time of Summer Flame to the one we were introduced to in Autumn Twilight. Our emotional interpretation of the setting gets influenced by character development and death, to the point where, at the end, it felt like an end because of how hard it was to imagine a world without certain characters. By the time the Fifth Age Saga system was rolled out and corresponding novels, it felt like a necessary change and breath of fresh air, a sorely needed new beginning for the series. But that was the 90's, I was young and hyped by experiencing new and relevant Dragonlance products. I'm not sure how I feel about it all now I'm older, part of me thinks it was viewed as a failed experiment and the reset button was pushed to get the setting back to the way it was. Maybe that button was pushed too soon because it feels like nothing since has been as exciting as the potential the Fifth Age started with.
@@DLSaga Thanks for the reply! :) Yeah, as a game system I loved it for its simplicity and keeping the spotlight on RP and storytelling, but was alone among my RP group who didn't share my feelings. Which is totally cool, I get where they were coming from as a lot of what made Dragonlance unique was also swept away. Maybe it was ahead of its time in some ways, especially in retrospect as we see how D&D has evolved to become more accessible. As a setting, the Fifth Age felt like a clean slate in an uncertain world in desperate need of new heroes to take up the mantle of legends yet not overshadowed by them. Anyway, I'm glad I came across this channel! Great work and a pleasure to see there is still love for Krynn!
I loved Huma, Raistlen, Sturm, Lord Soth and Kitiara. I thought they went from the best age ( despair) to the worst (mortals). It pains me to admit that ANY Dragonlance is subpar. For me the gods are an integral part of Kryn and Dragonlance as a whole, without them it just isn't Dragonlance. But, to each their own.
Yea, it did drop for a while, and I think that's when they pulled Weis and Hickman back into the fold from time to time. Just to 'right the ship' as it were.
I like the age of despair best ,didn't like the direction they went after ..I thought raistlin's solution to fighting the dark queen unique , it really required a grand quest not only over krynn but in it's past to gather the power to do it ,whereas in FR I've noticed these 'high powered ' characters that walk the realms of the gods like it's waterdeep .it's why I like the 'feel' of krynn ..I've heard some speculate krynns gods like takhisis ,paldine are really bahamut and tiamat ,others say they are unique but if spelljammer is true I tend to agree with the former
I wonder what 5th Edition Dragonlance will look like. Time travel is involved in the new novels and all 5th Edition books with Dragonlance content refer to Paladine and Thakisis as active gods. So I wonder, will the retcon the whole Age of Mortals to bring back the dragon gods? Although I like the Age of Mortals novels and 3.5 rules books, I see, why they would change the flow of the River of Time a bit. From a marketing perspective and especially in regard to newer players, Paladine and Thakisis are more attractive as leaders of their pantheons than Mishakal and Sargonnas. It would also make existing adventure modules with Bahamut and Tiamat compatible with Dragonlance. On the other hand, it would also mean that a lot of 3.5 books "never happened" which may anger many current Dragonlance fans, who spent their money on this material.
Few discrepancies. The one god was tricked into creating Krynn and hated the creation. Takahisis did most the work in creating the world and races. Magic existed before the three moons and moon magic existed before the grey gem. Also gnomes came from humans, not ogres . Reorx taught humans crafting and when the humans began to mock Reorx, he turned them into gnomes.
Thank you for the updates. Do you have sources for the info? I have run across around 4 different creation stories based on the edition and author. I know there are more than that.
@@DLSaga yep. Dragons of Summer Flame novel or Second Generation novel/short story. Can't remember which. Pretty sure it was Summer Flame though. So straight from Margaret Weis herself as told by Reorx. I am rereading all the novels now in prep for the new series and that came up. Also Minotaurs are not from the Grey gem. They were transformed by Sargonnas from Arda at the time the Arda became corrupted and became Ogres. This was in the Tides of Blood novel which is book 2 of the Minotaur Wars.
@@jaysw9585 Yea they changed the cosmology from all previous references. I have referred to that version in my graygem episode I believe and also the magic of Krynn if memory serves.
its maliable only when the non origin races are involved, that was the whole point of the legends trilogy rewriting history so it was raistlin and caramon raging the war in place of fistandidilus.
Oh you skipped over the Tower of Palanthas. How a mage told the king priest's men they would never step foot inside the tower. Then lept from the towers high window, plunging himself on the gates below. Thus cursing the Tower and the Grove. With his last dying breath he prophesized only the master of the past and present may come and claim the tower!!!!!👀🤪
I touch on that in the Wizards of High Sorcery episode. I will cover specific details closer in other videos. The broader videos can only cover so much.
I see it as a DL tradition at this point lol. There are so many errors throughout, for those like me, who like to go back to source material, it ends up being changed. Thank you for the update though!
I never really liked the ending of the War of Souls. Takhisis stripped of her godhood? Ok, she was becoming stale. But why have Mina being such a weird Good/Evil dual alignment godess. She should just have replaced Takhisis, left Paladine be a god and now face a new enemy in form of his daughter in form of Mina. Dethroning Paladine, killling Takhisis and then have Mina be a godess with both alignments just to keep the rule of balance? That never struck my fancy.
The Age of Dreams recap has 2 problems; 'The Smith Folks' that served Reorx are not gnomes according to dwarves nor dwarves according to gnomes! We can only be sure that both races existed on Krynn after the Grey Gem! I am sure that Kenders are created from Elves; High Elf hero Balif, friend of High King Silvanos, lead an expedition to capture the Grey Gem, disapear from history, and the first Kender Hero Balif comes along and the High Elves give the newly formed Kenders land that was part of their kingdom? Clearly Silvanos recognised his old friends, taking pitty of their transformation but couldn't live with them anymore (I like to think they tried!)
There are a lot of small inconsistencies between sourcebooks and authors even as you note races and cultures in the world. I referenced the modules and original sourcebook first.
@@DLSaga I made the mistake of referencing the Dwarf view of their creation only (weird since I prefer the gnomes!) and their insitance that they were created first as the 'Smithfolks', favored of Reorx and they are willing to go to war over this! The Kender origin is another case of 'won't admit it in public' from the elves this time; letting everyone believe they were created from gnome or humans instead of any 'character flaw' the elves might had! Of course contrary view points on history only make Krynn's sound more real, especially of their 'mystical' origins, like our own.
*The Age of Dreams, Age of Light, Age of Might, Age of Darkness, and Age of Dragons.* This is per the original AD&D 1st Edition book, and the Chronicles. Retconning their own work was one of the many mistakes they made. This is why anything Dragonlance published after 2e is absolute crap, and should be ignored by any true fan of the campaign world.
I prefer not to use ‘true fan’ ideology. Everyone loves the world for their own reasons and some will disagree. That is okay. We can love what we want about it and still be fans. That being said, even AD&D 2 changed DL from 1st Ed. Thank you for watching!
Thank you for watching my video about the Five Ages of Krynn. What is your favorite age? Is there one you would never want to play in? Leave a comment below!
Kender? Yes but I have a name. Tasselhoff Burrfoot to you kind sir! Oh how clumsy of you I think you dropped this. Is this your wallet? You should be more careful you know?
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Is Takhisis another victim of Tiamat who's very guise was assumed as any doppelganger would? Methinks so. No amount of evil can endure the darkness just as no amount of evil can endure the light..
@@kenlamella8996(Edited because apparently this texting device is more complicated than the Device of Time Journeying, which is like...) Oh actually let me give it back to you. Wait, isn't this a spoon? Oh it's the fabled Kender Spoon of Turning. No, not turning porridge in a bowl. Let me tell you about this from one of the tales from Uncle Trapspringer...
Thanks for this. Dragonlance fan for 30+ years now and I have most of the Larry Elmore prints framed in my house lol
That sounds awesome! Thank you for watching.
Very cool, I've never seen them for sale anywhere. Wish I knew what ever happened to my "art of dragonlance" book.
(I always wanted lord soths charge printed as a 6foot mural)
Thank you for this video series! I started reading the Dragonlance novels last year during the lockdown and have been hooked on the world of Krynn ever since. I doubt I get an opportunity to play these games (I’m in my 40s and none of my friends are into this stuff) however, I am collecting the sourcebooks and anything else that has more info on this incredible universe. I must admit it was Larry Elmore’s art that attracted me initially, but wow, what a world to explore! Thanks again for posting this series. I’m loving it! BTW, subscribed!
Thank you for watching! I am also in my 40's and though I don't have time to play AD&D, I try to make time for board games and limited video games, as they take far less time. Welcome to Dragonlance!
Now i have to reread them all again
Some of them are good!
The "Fifth Age" Trilogy (NOT written by Weis and Hickman) that spans the gap between 'Dragons of Summer Flame' and 'Dragons of a Fallen Sun' very nearly killed Dragonlance for me.
I'm sure the authors tried their best, but sadly failed and to this day I STILL can't get even halfway through 'The Dawning of A New Age' without giving up on it.
This has always been my bugbear, as it made reading the 'War of Souls' trilogy that much harder to get into; trying to understand what had happened to Krynn and where these massive Dragon Overlords had come from.
I do hope Weis and Hickman WILL return to Krynn soon, with another well-written and spectacular trilogy, as the Age of Mortals seriously needs reinvigorating after the excellent 'Dark Disciple' books!
I want to read MORE about what Dalamar does next, and how Palin Majere manages to survive without the magic. Perhaps the spirits of his Father, Caramon, and 'Uncle Raistlin' will return once more to convince him to accept the Magic in order to fight a new evil?!
There IS a new trilogy being released next year by Weis and Hickman. The first two novels are done.
@@DLSaga Best news I've heard for years!!!
Very great video thank you for doing this for us dragon Lance fans. I can't say enough how much memories this brings back.
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for saying Raistlin's name right! Praise Paladine!!!!
I only know one way to say it :)
Thanks for the video Adam.
Would be interested in your take on the revised timeline offered up in the Richard A. Knaak novel The Legend of Huma.
I've read that novel a number of times and I don't recall an alternate timeline presented. Can you elaborate on it?
loved it :) i only recently got into dragonlance...i love all the periods...i think age of despair is very interesting but also age of mortals can give a dm great possibilities especially after mina became goddess of tears because he can do anything he wants in this new and relatively peaceful era...artifacts to be found...cults trying to resurrect takhisis etc..the possibilities are endless...but i am 42 and only played dnd once in my life maybe i am wrong lol but i love the lore of epic fantasy ty for doing this....
I completely agree with you. After the War of Souls and Dark Disciple trilogies, Krynn is an exciting place to explore.
@@DLSaga also i kinda think now that the side of good and evil are headless (since only gilean is left from the trinity) balance is preserved, but the places of paladine and takhisis sould be filled somehow in the future...which means the remaining gods/ or even humans could find ways to ascend lol and that opens so many possiblilities for heroes in that era...
My favorite character is the Black Robed wizard, Fistandantilus. He was the original evil genius, orchestrating all the major events across several ages of the world. He pioneered many great sorceries, including the Timereaver spell and the curse on the Tower of Palanthus. He constructed (or was granted by Tahkisis, depending on which tale you go with) the bloodstone pendant, the most powerful artefact ever known, which allowed him to cheat death by stealing the bodies of his young apprentices. He began as a Red Robe, but turned to the Black when Gilean refused to allow him extended life. He was the master of past and present, who devised a plan to topple the Dark Queen herself and take her place as a God. Every single thing Raistlin accomplished, was merely built upon what Fistandatilus had already done. Without the evil wizard, Raistlin would not have even survived his Test, and the War of the Lance would have been lost. Raistlin was a sickly wretch of only mediocre magical skill, who stood upon the shoulders of this dark visionary to achieve the power that he did. It was arguably only because of the Law of the High God, which decreed that the River of Time could not be changed, that Fistandantilus failed to return at the end of Dragons of an Hour Glass Mage. He may yet return, in some future era.
I really like that you shared all this! I will be making character specific videos in the future. Fistandantilus is absolutely worthy of a highlight!
Fist failed the dwarven war with the explosion at the portal,Raistlin succeeded where he had failed (not to mention the paradox of traveling back in time to be an apprentice of the dark one then beating him in single magical combat, which don’t make as much sense to me now as it did when I was 15, but still riveting to me to this day) Raistlin is my favorite.
Love all of the Dragonlance stuff, but stopped playing when the game changed to the SAGA rules. Now I bring elements of Dragonlance and Krynn into my home brew games. Thank the Gods for Planescape and Spelljammer which allows the Kender and Draconians etc to be able to move between worlds and 'find' mine.
There is no shame in how anyone chooses to play. I liked the role playing focus of SAGA, but my heart will always be with Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.
@@DLSaga Unfortunately, the 5th Age version of the game, just looked too much like Ravenloft with Dragons. If I wanted that, I would have played a lot more Ravenloft... But it is/was what it is/was. I didnt read much past the Chaos War. Just couldnt get into the Next Gen characters. Enjoying your videos regardless...
I played the AD&D 2e Dragonlance Campaign setting, and a few guys from my gaming group bought the new Fifth Age set back from GenCon in either '96 or '97. We never really got into it, both because we didn't care for the Saga System, and because we didn't like the Age of Mortals. We occasionally played one-offs with the set, but typically stuck with the 2e War of the Lance boxed set. The Age of Despair was, and still is, my favorite age.
It’s my favorite as well, though I spent a lot of time playing in the Age of Mortals.
it really is the core part of dragonlance and the later stuff only happened due to the IP beeing so succesfull and so they milked it for all the cash until nobody liked it anmore. Pretty much just like the game of thrones series went from really nice to so terrible i couldnt get myself the reading the later books.
I remember that I had a box called Dragonlance Fifth Age with rules based on a cards deck.
Yea, I have that. It's the SAGA role playing system.
Awesome! Great video
Thank you for watching!
Given that Raistlin did go with the Gods he proved the Left Hand Path and defied the illusion of fate by mastering the so called River of Time.
Thank you for watching!
Hardcore fans. I remember reading my first dragon Lance book when I was 12. The official stamp for dragon Lance the logo was published in 1984. However I remember reading that first book in 1982 how odd. It was a choose your own adventure book and Raistlin was the main character. The name of the book was the test of the towers of high sorcery. Caramon was in it as well. Am I the only one that remembers this choose your own adventure book???
It was called The Soulforge and I have a play through video in the gaming playlist of it.
@@DLSaga everybody was telling me it didn't exist. Thank you for proving that I'm not insane. If you know the source content
I have a million dollar question to ask you about it. Let me know if you've read it and know it very well so I can ask you this question.
I would be interested in gaming in the Dragonlance universe as it is one of my favorite D&D settings and I've read most of the books. Is there somewhere online that I can find a gaming group for Dragonlance?? Thank you!
There’s forums on dndbeyond, theplaza.org.uk, and roll20. I hope you can get in a game!
The Fifth Age was my favourite back in my D&D days. Dragonlance always felt different and unique to other settings in that it wasn't afraid of change, the world was a very different place by the time of Summer Flame to the one we were introduced to in Autumn Twilight. Our emotional interpretation of the setting gets influenced by character development and death, to the point where, at the end, it felt like an end because of how hard it was to imagine a world without certain characters. By the time the Fifth Age Saga system was rolled out and corresponding novels, it felt like a necessary change and breath of fresh air, a sorely needed new beginning for the series. But that was the 90's, I was young and hyped by experiencing new and relevant Dragonlance products. I'm not sure how I feel about it all now I'm older, part of me thinks it was viewed as a failed experiment and the reset button was pushed to get the setting back to the way it was. Maybe that button was pushed too soon because it feels like nothing since has been as exciting as the potential the Fifth Age started with.
I really like your perspective of the Fifth Age. It was exciting as a new system, world events, another media event for Dragonlance.
@@DLSaga Thanks for the reply! :) Yeah, as a game system I loved it for its simplicity and keeping the spotlight on RP and storytelling, but was alone among my RP group who didn't share my feelings. Which is totally cool, I get where they were coming from as a lot of what made Dragonlance unique was also swept away. Maybe it was ahead of its time in some ways, especially in retrospect as we see how D&D has evolved to become more accessible. As a setting, the Fifth Age felt like a clean slate in an uncertain world in desperate need of new heroes to take up the mantle of legends yet not overshadowed by them. Anyway, I'm glad I came across this channel! Great work and a pleasure to see there is still love for Krynn!
Rastalin amongst the mortals while Fisban amongst the gods
Thanks for watching.
For me it must be Age of Dreams and especially the period with Huma. Those were some might good books.
It was a great age!
Good old days with Huma, Magnus and Kaz!!!!!
Great content! Thanks! :)
You’re welcome!
Great video
Thank you for watching!
So I plan to run an AD&D 2e campaign based on the current age. Are Evil Dragons still around?
Current as in Age of Mortals? Yes, even more types of dragons than before.
How about a summary of Raistlin's story?
I will put it on my list. Thanks!
THIS!
The sly one's tail must be handled with the utmost care. Or Dalamar will use burning hands on him.
Hi, are there any books about age of starbirth?
I believe there is a number of short stories about it, Dragonlance Nexus has a chronological reading list on their site that may help ya.
Think me and my party are either gonna play in age of might or despair.
Those are both great choices.
This comments is just to support the vid and channel xD
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching!
3.5 is the best version as far I’m concerned
That’s cool! I played it a bunch.
A fantastic book on dragons is Peter Dickinson's 'the flight of dragons'
I’ll have to look into it.
I loved Huma, Raistlen, Sturm, Lord Soth and Kitiara. I thought they went from the best age ( despair) to the worst (mortals). It pains me to admit that ANY Dragonlance is subpar. For me the gods are an integral part of Kryn and Dragonlance as a whole, without them it just isn't Dragonlance.
But, to each their own.
Yea, it did drop for a while, and I think that's when they pulled Weis and Hickman back into the fold from time to time. Just to 'right the ship' as it were.
Wow so Raistlin came back? i only read until he almost became the god of darkness and Paladine saved his soul. I thought it was a good end.
That was a great end... but not the last end.
If you do alternate timelines, let me know. I'd love to talk about them with you.
That could be a fun discussion!
@@DLSaga - I wrote three of them for Legends of the Twins. Took me a bit to recall what the main timeline was. lol
The fifth age seems well, all over the place.
lol 100%! The early Age of Mortals is Dragon Overlords, no gods. The late Age of mortals gods return, no dragon overlords.
I like the age of despair best ,didn't like the direction they went after ..I thought raistlin's solution to fighting the dark queen unique , it really required a grand quest not only over krynn but in it's past to gather the power to do it ,whereas in FR I've noticed these 'high powered ' characters that walk the realms of the gods like it's waterdeep .it's why I like the 'feel' of krynn ..I've heard some speculate krynns gods like takhisis ,paldine are really bahamut and tiamat ,others say they are unique but if spelljammer is true I tend to agree with the former
They are definitely representative of them, for sure. I need to check out the Spelljammes/Krynn stuff...
In my head cannon they are they are the same gods. Just on different Prime Material planets.
@@docdirtymrclean3610it's makes sense with how similar they are
@@cuckmckneelburg1st222 they are absolutly Tiamat and Bahamut only using others names due to thats how they are known on Krynn.
Yea, the campaign designers had them separate but the game system designers saw them as the same.
I have to say it was pretty based that ogres were one of the three founding races I'm a big fan of ogres
I really liked the backstory to them in DL.
I wonder what 5th Edition Dragonlance will look like. Time travel is involved in the new novels and all 5th Edition books with Dragonlance content refer to Paladine and Thakisis as active gods. So I wonder, will the retcon the whole Age of Mortals to bring back the dragon gods? Although I like the Age of Mortals novels and 3.5 rules books, I see, why they would change the flow of the River of Time a bit. From a marketing perspective and especially in regard to newer players, Paladine and Thakisis are more attractive as leaders of their pantheons than Mishakal and Sargonnas. It would also make existing adventure modules with Bahamut and Tiamat compatible with Dragonlance. On the other hand, it would also mean that a lot of 3.5 books "never happened" which may anger many current Dragonlance fans, who spent their money on this material.
I don’t see them dealing with the fifth age all that much, that would seem petty.
Few discrepancies. The one god was tricked into creating Krynn and hated the creation. Takahisis did most the work in creating the world and races. Magic existed before the three moons and moon magic existed before the grey gem. Also gnomes came from humans, not ogres . Reorx taught humans crafting and when the humans began to mock Reorx, he turned them into gnomes.
Thank you for the updates. Do you have sources for the info? I have run across around 4 different creation stories based on the edition and author. I know there are more than that.
@@DLSaga yep. Dragons of Summer Flame novel or Second Generation novel/short story. Can't remember which. Pretty sure it was Summer Flame though. So straight from Margaret Weis herself as told by Reorx. I am rereading all the novels now in prep for the new series and that came up.
Also Minotaurs are not from the Grey gem. They were transformed by Sargonnas from Arda at the time the Arda became corrupted and became Ogres. This was in the Tides of Blood novel which is book 2 of the Minotaur Wars.
@@jaysw9585 Yea they changed the cosmology from all previous references. I have referred to that version in my graygem episode I believe and also the magic of Krynn if memory serves.
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They’ve been on GOG for a while now. I’m surprised it’s taken this long for Steam to get ‘em.
Also let it be known that the king priest did not destroy the towers of high sorcery. The mages decided to do that themselves.
They sacrificed them so to speak.
its maliable only when the non origin races are involved, that was the whole point of the legends trilogy rewriting history so it was raistlin and caramon raging the war in place of fistandidilus.
Yep. Thank you for watching!
Oh you skipped over the Tower of Palanthas. How a mage told the king priest's men they would never step foot inside the tower. Then lept from the towers high window, plunging himself on the gates below. Thus cursing the Tower and the Grove. With his last dying breath he prophesized only the master of the past and present may come and claim the tower!!!!!👀🤪
I touch on that in the Wizards of High Sorcery episode. I will cover specific details closer in other videos. The broader videos can only cover so much.
Some of the dates of the Fifth Age are a smidge off in the DLCS. The Age of Mortals book fixes this.
I see it as a DL tradition at this point lol. There are so many errors throughout, for those like me, who like to go back to source material, it ends up being changed.
Thank you for the update though!
I never really liked the ending of the War of Souls. Takhisis stripped of her godhood? Ok, she was becoming stale. But why have Mina being such a weird Good/Evil dual alignment godess. She should just have replaced Takhisis, left Paladine be a god and now face a new enemy in form of his daughter in form of Mina. Dethroning Paladine, killling Takhisis and then have Mina be a godess with both alignments just to keep the rule of balance? That never struck my fancy.
It was an unexpected ending to be sure!
DL was pretty damn good right until Mina showed up, then it went downhill as fast as you can read the books.
That was a hard Left after the shock of 5th Age. I did enjoy the Dark Disciple trilogy. Thanks for watching!
Were there books after Mina? I seem to remember continuation with the Monk and the kender.
MINA god that was desperate!
lol
Legion of Steel
I will definitely talk about them at some point!
The Age of Dreams recap has 2 problems; 'The Smith Folks' that served Reorx are not gnomes according to dwarves nor dwarves according to gnomes! We can only be sure that both races existed on Krynn after the Grey Gem! I am sure that Kenders are created from Elves; High Elf hero Balif, friend of High King Silvanos, lead an expedition to capture the Grey Gem, disapear from history, and the first Kender Hero Balif comes along and the High Elves give the newly formed Kenders land that was part of their kingdom? Clearly Silvanos recognised his old friends, taking pitty of their transformation but couldn't live with them anymore (I like to think they tried!)
There are a lot of small inconsistencies between sourcebooks and authors even as you note races and cultures in the world. I referenced the modules and original sourcebook first.
@@DLSaga I made the mistake of referencing the Dwarf view of their creation only (weird since I prefer the gnomes!) and their insitance that they were created first as the 'Smithfolks', favored of Reorx and they are willing to go to war over this! The Kender origin is another case of 'won't admit it in public' from the elves this time; letting everyone believe they were created from gnome or humans instead of any 'character flaw' the elves might had! Of course contrary view points on history only make Krynn's sound more real, especially of their 'mystical' origins, like our own.
Wow, and i thought DnD can't be like Middle-Earth. Heck it's basically Middle-Earth combined with Ring Of Darkness!
You would be hard pressed to find any fantasy setting not inspired by LotR.
Damn, I don't think I pronounce any DL words correctly lol
I am also not certain and have been corrected many different ways. However you like to say them, is the way to properly pronounce them :)
I stopped reading dragonlance during the age of mortals, the story got very convoluted and seemed to contradict what was going on in various books.
Interesting. I haven’t run into contradictions yet but I’m not done with em all either.
Wow, the creators were SO influenced by Tolkien and it really shows.
Yes they were.
Fizban is the best
He’s pretty goofy too
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Hope you liked it.
*The Age of Dreams, Age of Light, Age of Might, Age of Darkness, and Age of Dragons.* This is per the original AD&D 1st Edition book, and the Chronicles. Retconning their own work was one of the many mistakes they made. This is why anything Dragonlance published after 2e is absolute crap, and should be ignored by any true fan of the campaign world.
I prefer not to use ‘true fan’ ideology. Everyone loves the world for their own reasons and some will disagree. That is okay. We can love what we want about it and still be fans. That being said, even AD&D 2 changed DL from 1st Ed. Thank you for watching!
@@DLSaga - You must love the new Star Wars movies then.
@@fleetcenturion it's not the same
River of Time is unalterable. Except Raistlin........
And any chaos gem race.