We can only be grateful to be able to watch one of the finest violinists of our time teach! And the student deserves all our respect for having dedicated her life to the violin, and having come as far as to be invited to participate in such a masterclass...
Vengerov is teaching what cannot be taught, which is why he spends more time singing than playing. You can teach the mechanics of violin playing, but you cannot teach someone's heart and soul to feel or believe (or communicate!) something as ineffable, mysterious, profound, and evanescent as the transcendental art of J.S. Bach's music. If you are not born with it or if it is not inside you, then the best you can do is to imitate what an artist like Grumiaux, Milstein, Szeryng, or Vengerov would do. Nevertheless, I applaud and admire Vengerov's genial efforts in generously sharing his art with young students. He is a master teacher.
I agree; he has an outstanding comprehension of music, an emotional and technical one, and he is aware of it, it is not only instinct, and so he tries to teach it, but this something very difficult to achieve, a combination of many factors, and it might take years to some of those students to fully comprehend what they witnessed here, if ever. His effort it admirable, the aim very high...
Yes indeed! I totally agree with you Susanna. Even the great Jascha Heifetz found Bach's music to be limitless and unfathomable. To play the Sonatas & Partitas in a way that deeply moves the listener requires technical, artistic, and profound spiritual maturity. It's an impossibly tall order to ask of a young violin student. It will take years to get there, but it will be worth the effort! I congratulate these students and Mr. Vengerov for keeping Bach's music alive and relevant in the modern age.
i love his example at 3:19 about the phrase being round. its too much to expect the student to be instantly transformed by these words, but as far as words go, he certainly hits the nail on the head with that one! if only words were enough.
Can You imagine? We can sit at home and watch masterclases of splendid musicians nowadays.. That's the thing we need to appreciate from our everyday's rush.
it must be both surprising and overwhelming (as someone said before) for a masterclass student to get in contact with so rich, subtle and elaborated insights that masters may have... and i believe we can all explore and enjoy this richness of life in many aspects of life. it opens windows
I love Vengerov's rich and emotional sound... Of course this student is far from his level, but so are many professionals. Vengerov seems to understand or has his own strong opinion how it should be played and then does so. He goes deep into the music. Apparently he is great teacher and his musicality is also expressed in his singing voice.
Wow, I admire them both, the teacher willing to do so much to communicate to a student and the student having the guts to be on camera while trying to absorb some complicated stuff. As for judging his or her playing, I think the nay sayers miss the point entirely. It is the convenance of ideas on how to approach a piece and how to learn by focusing and taking critique that amazes me. Very cool clip.
Very helpful since I'm also having trouble with this piece. It's so free yet at the same time it's Bach ~ very very interesting take by master Vengerov. Bravo!
You are right about the bowing, but mistakes in finger placement aren't heard, it's the mistake in intonation that is heard. If I use the "wrong" finger I can still play the right note, it's just awkward and harder for yourself if you are using a weird finger placement.
Not only he's a Violin God, but he sings well too,😀What a great voice! If I'd just have what he has in his pinky finger, I'd die happy. Biggest fan here❤️
Vengerov is the best (IMHO) not only a great violinist, but a great teacher as well. And check out his voice! And what a humble, down-to-earth man.....the whole package.
oh! the clip is short, but her latest attempt looks like she's absorbed all that Maxim had said. That's very nice. It's not that this has to be the only good way, but she has shown that she can take up different styles instantly. I don't think I've ever seen this in masterclass - they usually do the same thing on and on with a more dramatic face.
Holy shit! This part actually made a lot more sense to me when he sung it out like that. Amazing. And he's such a great teacher too. Unfortunately he's teaching the hardest part about music. Most of this stuff you either get it or you don't. It may make sense to the student later on in her life though. Sometimes you just have to reach a certain level of maturity (not necessarily in age) before understanding something's depth and how it actually works. Myself included, of course. There are some classical pieces that I simply just "get" and can enjoy to the max, and at times there are some that feel like, to me, just random notes written on a page. It sucks, because I want to understand them at a deeper level, but I cant force my way to it. I guess I gotta develop my ear for classical music a lot more.
He basically said... have control of what you’re doing... make the violin your voice. He tried so hard to explain to her that she had to use volume and velocity to express the passage.
For those who want lessons from Vengerov: He doesn't teach beginners or intermediate players, his students are local performers or violin teachers who want to reach perfection. The student was already ready to perform Bach's pieces on stage before the master class.
Personal impression: This is the example of sensibility mismatch between the master and the student. That is quite normal and happens more often than not. Vengerov has the quality of all high class masters where every phrase has high "density" of perfection. That demands both high sensibility and enormous energy, probably naturally genetically supported. Student is different kind of personality, probably more calm and somewhat cooler temperament. She can copy the master somewhat, but to me it is clear she will leave master's advices for good and have by far different expression in her professional carrier.
@ungusfungus it's easy to assign emotion to a piece, especially epic ones of Bach, but in order to preserve the original meaning, the piece must be played to the style You have to remember that baroque instruments sound very different than contemporary ones, baroque music was background music, not virtuoso (for the most part)
two things: I'm a singer and I learned a lot about speed + vibrato for my singing. Second, why does Maxim start singing the 2nd movement to Mozart's 3rd violin concerto? I thought this was a Bach master class =)
There are three things with the bow: pressure, speed, and amount. In the right proportions, you can achieve wonders, but you must first understand fully what it is that you are after. After that, intonation (the right notes), rhythm, and phrasing (singing, as Maxim said) - that's about it. What could be simpler?
His ideas are excellent. But I think that he should let her play a little longer rather than jumping in so quickly all the time. It's very difficult to play when you are thinking that at any second you might be stopped. Some of the ideas he's showing her may take her a bit of time to assimilate to the point where she could produce them.
no lo digo de manera agresiva. si no expresando de manera vulgar el aprecio por su calidad de musica. la apreciacion de la musica no necesita alto vocabulario, la musica expresa sentimientos... y cuando sobrepasa ciertos estandares, ami parecer si se expresa lo mejor es con lo primero que se siente y yo personalmente pienso que maxim vengerov es quien mas me gusta como musica sobre el violin Saludos!
Vengerov is extremely talented not just because of his technique but his emotion and ways he interprets the music. However I noticed that the way he teaches many of his students ends up being about how to feel and phrase the music and I think that for many people it is futile!
richard kim I don't think that is a question of money. The great musicians only teach people who are already good on their instruments. This young woman plays very well.
@atzitzikas well it is most certainly not counterpoint...this is not a fuga, there is no "counter" line here as the case in a Fuge could be. You re simply wrong in that. this is the first slow movement of the first Sonata... it is multidimensional lined up music, some three or four parted....but it is NOT Counterpoint. it is as i wrote- just Poliphonic Music. Sorry.
She played three times, and played very well. Her sound didn't change dramatically, but it's five minutes of video. It takes a lot of time to develop your individual voice in music. Maxim didn't pop out of the womb a great violinist, either.
+FakeA sFuck no problem and I don't have to be her father to point out a douche. She played very well. To say the lesson was useless is to suggest that she didn't learn anything. The violin isn't an overnight instrument. It takes time for instruction to develop in a student's mind. Five minutes of a video lesson is hardly enough to completely dismiss the student's ability, let alone make useless, mean spirited comments about her.
+Daniel McThatguy it's not about the violin is difficult. being able to adapt and take an instructor's advice on the spot is a different sort of ability in its own. she needs to be more willing to jump into the deep end of unfamiliarity during a masterclass. it's partly her skill and partly her mind. which hey, fair enough, I have weaknesses on my instrument as well. but I think my point comes across clearly and fairly.
I'm a piano student, I can clearly hear the differences in their playing, but I have no idea what makes them different, and I've never played a violin before, therefore, can anyone tell me? THX
when you are playing the violin at this level, your own intepretation about the piece and the deep understanding of the music are way more important than the note itself. you play with feelings not like a machine. Passion can drive this feeling through practice. But you have no passion, forget it
Did you read my question right? I said I can hear the difference, tones/colours, my question is asking about the technique aspects, I've already stated I'm a piano student,I don't play violin, beside, how can you judge a person has or has not passion just base on a comment??? Pls don't show your stupidity here
techniques between vengerov and the girl is not much different believe it or not, the difference is in the passion and heart they bring to the piece. btw, sorry if you find the comment offensive lol, I know your piano student😓
We can only be grateful to be able to watch one of the finest violinists of our time teach! And the student deserves all our respect for having dedicated her life to the violin, and having come as far as to be invited to participate in such a masterclass...
as far as excellent advice goes, this is one of the most densely packed 6 minutes I've ever witnessed
Vengerov is teaching what cannot be taught, which is why he spends more time singing than playing. You can teach the mechanics of violin playing, but you cannot teach someone's heart and soul to feel or believe (or communicate!) something as ineffable, mysterious, profound, and evanescent as the transcendental art of J.S. Bach's music. If you are not born with it or if it is not inside you, then the best you can do is to imitate what an artist like Grumiaux, Milstein, Szeryng, or Vengerov would do. Nevertheless, I applaud and admire Vengerov's genial efforts in generously sharing his art with young students. He is a master teacher.
I agree; he has an outstanding comprehension of music, an emotional and technical one, and he is aware of it, it is not only instinct, and so he tries to teach it, but this something very difficult to achieve, a combination of many factors, and it might take years to some of those students to fully comprehend what they witnessed here, if ever. His effort it admirable, the aim very high...
Yes indeed! I totally agree with you Susanna. Even the great Jascha Heifetz found Bach's music to be limitless and unfathomable. To play the Sonatas & Partitas in a way that deeply moves the listener requires technical, artistic, and profound spiritual maturity. It's an impossibly tall order to ask of a young violin student. It will take years to get there, but it will be worth the effort! I congratulate these students and Mr. Vengerov for keeping Bach's music alive and relevant in the modern age.
Very true, passion and the understanding of Bach cannot be taught.
The eyes of Vengerov are so pure and shiny....with his music world...
MAXIM is just wonderful.
man!he also has a good singing technique as well!!!
His personality and approach to teaching are amazing, and so is the tone he gets on that violin. I would kill to study with Maxim.
Vengerov is AMAZING -- so musical! Watching this makes me want to learn to play the violin. Thanks for sharing this, Gabe.
it's amazing how Maxim Vengerov feels the music in his ears, mind, heart... fabulous !
I would not be able to stand straight-faced while Vengerov sings. Would have a smile on from ear to ear! He is awesome and comic in his honesty.
i love his example at 3:19 about the phrase being round. its too much to expect the student to be instantly transformed by these words, but as far as words go, he certainly hits the nail on the head with that one! if only words were enough.
Can You imagine? We can sit at home and watch masterclases of splendid musicians nowadays.. That's the thing we need to appreciate from our everyday's rush.
...no solo es un genial intérprete sino también un dedicado maestro docente
it must be both surprising and overwhelming (as someone said before) for a masterclass student to get in contact with so rich, subtle and elaborated insights that masters may have... and i believe we can all explore and enjoy this richness of life in many aspects of life. it opens windows
I love Vengerov's rich and emotional sound... Of course this student is far from his level, but so are many professionals. Vengerov seems to understand or has his own strong opinion how it should be played and then does so. He goes deep into the music. Apparently he is great teacher and his musicality is also expressed in his singing voice.
The money I would pay to have a lesson with him....
contact him then
Yeah?? 😂😂😂
wow... listen to his tone... its so rich and dead on. just wow.
Great master!
Wow, I admire them both, the teacher willing to do so much to communicate to a student and the student having the guts to be on camera while trying to absorb some complicated stuff. As for judging his or her playing, I think the nay sayers miss the point entirely. It is the convenance of ideas on how to approach a piece and how to learn by focusing and taking critique that amazes me. Very cool clip.
@CrazyLumiere "Let's try now to compose".
This was amazing!
Very helpful since I'm also having trouble with this piece. It's so free yet at the same time it's Bach ~ very very interesting take by master Vengerov. Bravo!
i wish i could hear he play full song, it must be a very wonderful experience!
merveilleux Vengerov un grand violoniste, surtout un enseignant magnifique avec son style simpatique et intelligent. Merci Vengerov.
He seems friendly and nice-- not at all what I was expecting, for some reason. LOL. Good masterclass-- I learned something from it.
maxim é show!!!
vraiment un Master classe doué, merci Maxim
this was pretty eye opening
Now this is real master class with a real master!!
oh this is really worthful!
No entiendo del todo el idioma inglés,pero es lo más bello que he visto en internet, traspasa todo el sentimiento.
great teacher
He is good here!I should buy this dvd also;I have the Mendelsohnn,Sibelious and Beethoven sonate with him in masterclass,here is the best
Listening to him playing Bach in such a way elevates my soul ❤
do u know how hard the violin is!!? if you are nervous or shy it will show in your bowing. one slight mistake in fingering can be heard
...it's not that hard -I sat on one and it it got pretty soft after that.
Jason Potter LMAO NICEE i laughed so hard lol
You are right about the bowing, but mistakes in finger placement aren't heard, it's the mistake in intonation that is heard. If I use the "wrong" finger I can still play the right note, it's just awkward and harder for yourself if you are using a weird finger placement.
the student is a wonderful violinist.
You made me cry maestro
I would be nervous as hell if I was in a masterclass that has video cameras every where. She definitely is in the hot seat right now.
muito bom muito bom!!!
Not only he's a Violin God, but he sings well too,😀What a great voice!
If I'd just have what he has in his pinky finger, I'd die happy. Biggest fan here❤️
He's the BOMB!
Very good!!!
Vengerov is the best (IMHO) not only a great violinist, but a great teacher as well. And check out his voice! And what a humble, down-to-earth man.....the whole package.
when maxin plays it sounds like angels singing together
great video 10/10
@paganviodio Post a video of your Bach master class. I'm eager to see your superior insights in action.
MAXIM is just wonderful. As a performer as well as a teacher! =o)
oh! the clip is short, but her latest attempt looks like she's absorbed all that Maxim had said. That's very nice. It's not that this has to be the only good way, but she has shown that she can take up different styles instantly. I don't think I've ever seen this in masterclass - they usually do the same thing on and on with a more dramatic face.
This should cure everyone who claims Bach has to be played without vibrato.
Holy shit! This part actually made a lot more sense to me when he sung it out like that. Amazing. And he's such a great teacher too. Unfortunately he's teaching the hardest part about music. Most of this stuff you either get it or you don't. It may make sense to the student later on in her life though. Sometimes you just have to reach a certain level of maturity (not necessarily in age) before understanding something's depth and how it actually works. Myself included, of course. There are some classical pieces that I simply just "get" and can enjoy to the max, and at times there are some that feel like, to me, just random notes written on a page. It sucks, because I want to understand them at a deeper level, but I cant force my way to it. I guess I gotta develop my ear for classical music a lot more.
very helpful advice on phrasing
He basically said... have control of what you’re doing... make the violin your voice. He tried so hard to explain to her that she had to use volume and velocity to express the passage.
He reminds me to my teacher. She cloud explain me some details with thousand of ways, analogy or "anatomicly".
I'm sure he also is a great singer
he can sing very well.
For those who want lessons from Vengerov: He doesn't teach beginners or intermediate players, his students are local performers or violin teachers who want to reach perfection. The student was already ready to perform Bach's pieces on stage before the master class.
I only wish maxim had played the adagio and fugue in some concert or at least recorded it in a studio
Best excellence
Violin music
Best excellence
Violin music
"It's either rhythem or freedom"
の曲は大好きなピアノよりバイオリンなのかな・・？
胸に迫るので大好きな曲だけどしばらく聴けませんでした
やっと聴けました・素晴らしかった・・感謝
She plays awesome and very beautiful... also she is beautiful
now i now show i should play it thank you
Personal impression:
This is the example of sensibility mismatch between the master and the student. That is quite normal and happens more often than not. Vengerov has the quality of all high class masters where every phrase has high "density" of perfection. That demands both high sensibility and enormous energy, probably naturally genetically supported.
Student is different kind of personality, probably more calm and somewhat cooler temperament. She can copy the master somewhat, but to me it is clear she will leave master's advices for good and have by far different expression in her professional carrier.
excelente
@ungusfungus it's easy to assign emotion to a piece, especially epic ones of Bach, but in order to preserve the original meaning, the piece must be played to the style
You have to remember that baroque instruments sound very different than contemporary ones, baroque music was background music, not virtuoso (for the most part)
comparing violin music to singing...awesome description!
you right! he's not a good teacher.... he's an exraordinary teacher and artist...
*-* wooow. yo quiero tocar asi. :) que genial.
two things: I'm a singer and I learned a lot about speed + vibrato for my singing. Second, why does Maxim start singing the 2nd movement to Mozart's 3rd violin concerto? I thought this was a Bach master class =)
There are three things with the bow: pressure, speed, and amount. In the right proportions, you can achieve wonders, but you must first understand fully what it is that you are after. After that, intonation (the right notes), rhythm, and phrasing (singing, as Maxim said) - that's about it. What could be simpler?
He feel all music
You sound heavenly 😂 I hope to achieve such skills in time 😇
His ideas are excellent. But I think that he should let her play a little longer rather than jumping in so quickly all the time. It's very difficult to play when you are thinking that at any second you might be stopped. Some of the ideas he's showing her may take her a bit of time to assimilate to the point where she could produce them.
You're right
i play piano but it's always amazed me to see how people play violin ...
Also a good voice.
Ne vsye s'vame soglashayut. Kupitye DVD i uviditye.
Not only is she having to play the violin on camera, she is having to play in front of Vengerov...
Not the easiest of situations for a student!
@jasonform I disagree, she's not retarted, she must be frightned by Maxim's perfection. But yes, she produces a very shy sound.
It absolutely breaks my heart that I'll never play this piece. Or any of the Bach pieces for solo violin. I started too late :(
Hey, I know this is a really old comment, but I just wondering how late did you start? And how’s the progress going?
When maxim had taught you more in a youtube video more than your lessons teacher has in 3+ years of lessons
no lo digo de manera agresiva. si no expresando de manera vulgar el aprecio por su calidad de musica. la apreciacion de la musica no necesita alto vocabulario, la musica expresa sentimientos... y cuando sobrepasa ciertos estandares, ami parecer si se expresa lo mejor es con lo primero que se siente y yo personalmente pienso que maxim vengerov es quien mas me gusta como musica sobre el violin
Saludos!
i would bee sooo intimidated!!! even if i was close to his level of expertise lol.
1:29 thats it
Vengerov is extremely talented not just because of his technique but his emotion and ways he interprets the music. However I noticed that the way he teaches many of his students ends up being about how to feel and phrase the music and I think that for many people it is futile!
Masterclass of singing with Maxim Vengerov :v
Mmm... this makes me want to start playing the violin again.
Bach Violin Sonata No.1 ;)
Man I would absolutely love to how this guy as my teacher. But I bet he charges like $100 per minute x(
richard kim I don't think that is a question of money. The great musicians only teach people who are already good on their instruments. This young woman plays very well.
+richard kim but you know you'd get good
I'm surprised.. this is my most popular comment here.
@maxhansendk then how should he teach. id really like to know. really seriosly i would like to know please
@atzitzikas well it is most certainly not counterpoint...this is not a fuga, there is no "counter" line here as the case in a Fuge could be. You re simply wrong in that. this is the first slow movement of the first Sonata... it is multidimensional lined up music, some three or four parted....but it is NOT Counterpoint. it is as i wrote- just Poliphonic Music. Sorry.
whoa, even at practices, the sound of his playing suits for a concert, haha
important part; 'when Vengerov plays it' !!!! lol but yes an amazing instrument
i like what he has to say...i think his accent makes it harder to understand though
@Ziggy1614 He sounds like that on any violin
@jasonform That's because she's her and vengarov's vengarov. You can't compare a genius to a student.
she played the same way for 15 times. Maxim tried hard to change something with no results
She played three times, and played very well. Her sound didn't change dramatically, but it's five minutes of video. It takes a lot of time to develop your individual voice in music. Maxim didn't pop out of the womb a great violinist, either.
+Levi Posada Please post a performance video so we can compare. She played very well. She's not going to play like Maxim after one lesson.
+FakeA sFuck no problem and I don't have to be her father to point out a douche. She played very well. To say the lesson was useless is to suggest that she didn't learn anything. The violin isn't an overnight instrument. It takes time for instruction to develop in a student's mind. Five minutes of a video lesson is hardly enough to completely dismiss the student's ability, let alone make useless, mean spirited comments about her.
very true.
+Daniel McThatguy it's not about the violin is difficult. being able to adapt and take an instructor's advice on the spot is a different sort of ability in its own. she needs to be more willing to jump into the deep end of unfamiliarity during a masterclass. it's partly her skill and partly her mind. which hey, fair enough, I have weaknesses on my instrument as well. but I think my point comes across clearly and fairly.
please which violin did mr maxim use??
Im very unsure but I think he plays a Stradivari Kreutzer.
@givinitsome when I'm nervous, I cannot make a facial expression, maybe she was the same
I'm a piano student, I can clearly hear the differences in their playing, but I have no idea what makes them different, and I've never played a violin before, therefore, can anyone tell me? THX
when you are playing the violin at this level, your own intepretation about the piece and the deep understanding of the music are way more important than the note itself. you play with feelings not like a machine. Passion can drive this feeling through practice. But you have no passion, forget it
Did you read my question right? I said I can hear the difference, tones/colours, my question is asking about the technique aspects, I've already stated I'm a piano student,I don't play violin, beside, how can you judge a person has or has not passion just base on a comment??? Pls don't show your stupidity here
techniques between vengerov and the girl is not much different believe it or not, the difference is in the passion and heart they bring to the piece. btw, sorry if you find the comment offensive lol, I know your piano student😓
Landry Tee
Phrasing and shaping of the sound, as well as a more free rhythm. He is not metrenomic but plays rhythmically. What do you all think?
hahaha darn you xD
You got me this time :P
This is Bach and I play with vibrato ? I am so confused
Some people don't seem to understand how hard it has to be.