Home VR cockpit -- What it´s like: DOGFIGHT
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2022
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Let's jump into my VR home cockpit and see how is flying the F18 Hornet in virtual reality.
I'll show you through a serie of videos covering the different aspects of combat flying, how does it feel and how close can we get to the real thing.
On Virtual Reality everything counts. There are a bunch of things which are not necessary to use but they add a lot of immersion. All them together bring the experience to a top level and teleport you to a parallel world up there in the skies.
Hope you like it and get the sensation of how I feel when I fly the jet in VR.
(Cam did not capture the seat vibration, hope I'll record it better next time) - Ігри
My wife walked in on me one day when I was in a dogfight in VR. I lifted my headset and thought she was having a heart attack because she was red faced and couldn't breathe. She was laughing at me so hard she couldn't even talk... And I wasn't even wearing a seatbelt or a flight suit. Better lock your doors!!
LOL...
No need to lock the door here. She just laughted at me the very first day. Then she got used to...
I’ve always accepted the fact that I look ridiculous sitting in my basement on my “throne” (as my wife calls it) looking around and talking to people that can’t be seen or heard by her.
Regardless, it’s an incredibly fun hobby to have! Despite the flaws of DCS, it’s still so fun to fly. I think I’m more tolerant of flaws because I started flying flight sims in the 80’s on a Commodore 64
Awesome!!
My wife once asked me why i´m staring at the sky, while i was flying in DCS.
The plane is upside down woman! Upside down!
Very funny
Once augmented reality is implemented, this will be the most supreme set up one could ever have
Nahhh.... The most supreme would be having a plug in our neck like in the Matrix it was, lol.
Well… augmented is seeing the real world through clear glasses, with augmented data, like what is used in the F35. You can see through things while flying. I’m having a headset made for when I’m flying a helicopter, to give Nav data laid over real world.
You can already do that...some of the Varjo headsets can do that, and the Quest, 2 and pro have a hidden passthrough panels option that's unused.
@@Marcin79W maybe we do have that...
@@j6077xxd Somtimes I wonder the same…
In the military, flying with NVG, we would set them up slightly high in ones vision so we could glance beneath them clearly at the panels. It was very intuitive. Just keep your head up\forward and glance down eyes only. I think the VR headset could be modified to operate like this. Perhaps the bottom seal around the nose\cheeks removed as much as possible. And the headset mounted to a proper helmet mount to spread the load onto the head. And finally control the room lighting around the simpit, and the panel lighting to make the panel standout to the desired degree. I reckon this could work very well. Simple and doesn't require complicated software and a special headset to pass through a camera vision of the simpit.
The only flaw I can think of would be the MDF screens. Nice thing about VR is you dont need all those extra screens.
That’s a great idea. As someone who works/worked in VR, you’re gonna get purists freaking out as the idea is for the goggle-screens to take up as much of the view as possible but considering that for VR flying the cockpit remains in the same place and, for us without a separate setup per plane the cockpit remains the same, it’s a good way to get poor-person’s AR. You might need a separate setup for non flying VR apps but who needs a non-flying VR setup anyway? :D
It's not that hard to cut of a region of space where the camera footage supercedes the VR content.
Yeah I was thinking that too. Combining the modified headset with one of those new full panels from winwing would be really immersive. We would spend a lot of time in the sim; and a little trade off in realism was easily overpowered by the stress of completing the task (and an instructor steering daggers into the back of your head during a cat check sortie lol). I think the MFDs would be super usable, as well as the UFC, glancing under the VR goggle. The great thing about VR is that the HMD works as designed; multi screen and\or trackir combined with a panel with MFD is just not realistic and immersive in my humble experience. But each to their own. What a cool hobby!
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This is how it's done: ua-cam.com/video/I1ddz66jDHA/v-deo.html
Love the "towel racks" great idea!
Dude's got the handles and everything! Hell yeah! Nice simpit!
I had to watch 5 times in a row! Amazing setup, congratulations! Gracias
Thanks
That’s awesome, bro. Looks like you put in a lot of work with a great result. Kudos!
Thanks
That's super cool! Took a lot of work it looks like, great job!
Muy bueno el setup...Y la verdad es que los toalleros colocados en su posición me dieron que pensar, buenísima idea.
sheeeeeesh!!!!! its AMAZING... i always thought home cockpits with all the mfd's wouldn't matter because of the blindfold over my eyes but damn.... worth it for the immersion.....
Immersion makes everything on VR
@@nathanielcosta81 except that you have the F16 UFC while flying the hornet might throw me off a bit lol
@@AGenericAccount I fly the Viper as well as the Hornet and many other modules, so at the end the setup is half way between them as I try to make it suitable for all of them. The only thing I have duplicated is the stick (one specific stick for the Viper and the Hornet's that I use for all the other planes)
Nice setup, lovely to see that perspective
Super nerd extreme even need something to grab on to. Thats badass man. Love that setup.
Rad setup !
ty 4 ur service
Awesome!!!
Cool Sim Rig ! 😎👍
Would feel like you have your own personal jet, airstrip, carrier etc, available to you, when ever an where ever you want. 👏
NEEEEEERRRRRD!!! JK Im jealous. My wife would murder me if I tried putting something like this together.
This is awesome
Fantastic setup
Regards
Dave From Scotland
Thanks my friend
I’ve made a g seat pad with airbladders which you could fit to your seat ,it’s a easy to do I’ll send a link
Regards
Dave from Scotland
Here it is
Easy to make and the g pad works Fantastic in vr.
I have the servo board in a shock proof case behind the lower seat now
ua-cam.com/video/g4R7hXvzsJQ/v-deo.htmlsi=fkOdpIkkgNVuJgvj
Even as a simmer it looks crazy!!
Better than tv .🎉😊
Amazing setup. I hope to one day match it.
Awesome. But how do you "see" your pyhsical buttons and controls when operating them??
Very nice setup! Similar to mine. I love the WW panels, Hornet and Viper throttles. I also fly mostly the Viper and Hornet in VR (Varjo Aero) using Vaicom Pro. Your ICP looks tempting, as well as the WW UFC and DDIs, but since I use PointCtrl FCUs, I'll probably hold off on anymore physical controls for now. The FCUs work really well in VR, virtually eliminating the need to touch the mouse. They just lack the tactile feedback of bushing real buttons in the cockpit, (they do have physical buttons on the units though). They're a real game-changer in VR! I'm also running a seat mover (with Buttkicker) and Jetseat SE pad, which really adds to the immersion as well. I tried VR Necksafer with mixed results (need more testing and fine tuning on my part), but those towel racks look like the answer! Did you make them or are they available to purchase? I'm trying to get as close as I can to living my childhood dream of becoming a fighter pilot. 😂
I am a private pilot of over two decades but never joined the military, lol.
Thanks for your comment.
Glad you became a private pilot at least.. I couldn't neither acomplish that.
According the towel racks, I made them myself... It's not that difficult, on Amazon or similars you can find pieces that could fit into your setup.
I fly in my more simpler home cockpit with Q2, controllers hanging over my neck with bungee cord. Think its easier to touch buttons with vr hands than blindly search for real ones in home cockpit.Also peaking below glasses is unconfortable and immersion breaking. I made my setup with wooden base on wheels to move it around and i use only playseats seat, MFG Crosswind pedals, warthog Hotas with 10cm extention, one f16 MFD for kneeboard and random needs, PS 4 controller for helicopter CPG, saitek 3 lever throttle for AH-64 power levers and keyboard. Enough blind grab for me😂Heh i use pilot gloves just for combort too.
@@nathanielcosta81 Thanks for the reply. I'll look into possibly making some. You did a great job. They look like a commercially made product! Watching your video again and seeing you climb into the seat, I just realized another layer of immersion of my pit. It's setup next to a wall in my mancave. So with the WW panels and throttles on my left, it's a bit of a challenge climbing in and out from only one side. Somewhat of a pain in the ass...it's sorta like climbing into the real thing I guess 🤣
@@redtailpilot yes... every layer counts 😉
Oh my this is a little much. I approve. 😂
Vaya pepino de habitación. Seguro que en Gando te tienen preparado un Eurofighter para que vayas cambiando el caza F-18 por los nuevos EF Typhoon
Super 👍 and Congratulations
Thanks a million mate
What VR headset are you using here and what do you think of it?
Can you add your cockpit to the VR headset as an augmented reality so you can see your panels while wearing the headset?
Rad setup…
That being said, Thank GOD he had his seatbelt/ harness on!!! That could have been ugly 😂😂😂
nice setup.
Very cool setup! I love the handles!! Any chance can you tell me where you got your gloves?
Most general aviation airports have shops where you can buy them otherwise buy online
Cool Stuff! I have setup pretty much like yours, but with everything foldable or stowable.
Then yours is better LOL
Cool gloves!
natcosma, por favor, ¿dónde adquiriste los guantes?
Nice video! How do you deal with not to be seeing your awesome set up when you are flying? I mean, you look very comfortable using your MDF,s but, is it a matter of practice flying being blind with VR glasses or do you have a trick to manipulate your physical cockpit?
Two tips: "Muscle memory" and "silicon tears". The first one, after so many hours in the sim your hands go automatically where you want to (specially if yo place the MFDs anf other stuff on the exact point you feel it should be in VR). The silicon tears are silicon 3D stickers of different shape that you put on some buttons you want to distingish from others nearby (for example, you can place a big square silicon sticker in the midle OSB button of one row, and an spheric small one on the first and last buttons. That way you can easily know which button of the MFD are you going to press)
@@nathanielcosta81 Nice! Thanks for your response!
The gloves were a nice touch
specially to free the HOTAS from hand sweat
Respect for using the Rift S to play DCS.
I Know it's no the best headset, but my first one!! so completely happy with it till next one. I'll keep the S until it crashes
where can i get this stuff?.
This is really cool - do you just use feel to orientate hand placement for MFDs and switches?
Muscle memory and silicon tears on some buttons to distingish one from another just in case
Do you have to look beneath the specs to reach buttons.etc or have you mastered the alignment and muscle memory to know where things will be from within the headset itself? Awesome setup. I am in the middle of building something similar for the B737
Both things. Meta Quest Pro has a gap below the nose that alows you peek
Cockpit is cool, any plans for a motion platform? How did you line-up what you see in VR with location of buttons?
No plans for a motion platform, I find no sense in using it on a combat jet sim, as you can fly inverted and on some angles your platform could not follow. I use jetseat with simshaker to replicate the vibrations of the seat, and that's pretty cool.
The only important devices important to be in position in VR are the MFDs on the Hornet and the ICP on the Viper. As that's a selfmade cockpit, I placed those devices on the exact spot I felt they should be in VR.
I'd love to know what kind of settings you use for DCS to make it readable with a rift S
I have a 3090 graphic card, so basically almost every setting to the max.
PixelDensity to 1.0 on DCS settings and to 1.5 on Oculus Tray Tool.
That's it.
Well where can I get one of these lol
What kind of VR headset is that ?
Oculus Rift S
Wait I just noticed the comms panel is the f16 😂
Muy inmersivo.. envidia sana yo también vuelo el f18 en dcs pero aun no tengo tantos periféricos para disfrutar al máximo de la experiencia. No me importaría volar con usted con los fantásticos aviones del ala 15 😊. hace tiempo que miro cockpits del f18 pero nunca me anime a adquirirlos por desconocimiento. ¿ donde los compraste ? ¿ que se necesita para que funcionen correctamente en mi pc ? conexiones tomas etc. gracias por leerme y que tengas buen vuelo ✈
Yo me lo he ido montando poco a poco con el paso del tiempo. Me ha tomado unos 5 años, así tampoco duele tanto al bolsillo jeje
Como haces para saber a qué botón le das? Los ves a través de las gafas o es por memoria muscular o algo así?
memoria muscular y unas gotitas de silicona que se pegan a algunos botos estratégicamente para ayudarte a diferenciarlos en un momento de duda. Como último recuerso siempre puedes mirar alzando la vista por el hueco de las bajas que se encuentra a la altura de la nariz
How to you see what buttons you are pressing? Very cool setup. You need AR buddy, so you can actually see your cockpit as well :)
No need to see it. "Muscle memory" and "silicon tears" are your best VR friends!
How do you know where the buttons are at with that VR on?
It's explained on some previous comments
I assume you use side form of necksafer to be able to look behind without having to contort so much?
Not using that. Movement 1:1
That is very, very cool. However can you tell me that with your VR headset on...how can you see where the physical switches are, to flip them on or off?🤔
yeah mate... look for your answer on some comments before yours. It's not that difficult to use panels in VR, just a matter on practice.
Thanks, I'll look into those "silicon tears".
Genuine question, What’s with the handles? This set up is so well thought out, I’d like to know the good reason for having them.
They help turning yourself to check your six. They relief pressure on neck and back when twisting, so my body is not aching after a long flight...
Dumb question
What's your VR Headset and GFX card? Thanks
Oculus Rift S and 3090 (no TI)
Very cool! How do you know where exactly the buttons are in the real world when wearing the headset?
Two tips: "Muscle memory" and "silicon tears". The first one, after so many hours in the sim your hands go automatically where you want to (specially if yo place the MFDs anf other stuff on the exact point you feel it should be in VR). The silicon tears are silicon 3D stickers of different shape that you put on some buttons you want to distingish from others nearby (for example, you can place a big square silicon sticker in the midle OSB button of one row, and an spheric small one on the first and last buttons. That way you can easily know which button of the MFD are you going to press)
@@nathanielcosta81 Thanks!
nice, where'd you get those flight suit and gloves?
Cannot remember. Gloves are from Amazon. The suit was from an spanish military shopping web
Love the set up! I recently started my DCS adventure and im slowly working my way up to better setups and i hope to get something like this someday.
Theres only one thing i didn't really understand: Why did you use an F-16 ICP Pad when it was an F-18 Cockpit Build?
Again great setup!
The reason is I use other modules apart from the Hornet, like the F16. So it's better for me to have and "hybrid" setup
@@nathanielcosta81 Ah alr, that makes alot more sense. it also helps with money right? Like you don't have to make multiple setups thats just gonna cost more money. And even if it doesn't it still looks good lol.
Im confused - how can you use your Cockpit, when you only see the virtual one ?
muscle memory and silicon tears. More on this on previous comments 😉
Tell me plz How much it costs in Pakistan? i really wanna buy it and want to install it at my home in my rooom plz answer me?
I dont know. You should better contact hardware manufacturer, Winwing, thrustmaster, etc
I was an aircraft mechanic and had a customer with a small acrobatic plane. He as a retired Air Force Lt Col, who flew F86, F-100, F-105 and F-111. Vietnam 100 missions, one of which he failed to bring the F-105 back. He doesn't know if it was flak or a SAM. Anyway, he drove school bus after he retired and would doze off in my office chair between morning and after noon driving shifts. I saw him there asleep in the cushy chair, so I told my co-worker, "Hey, watch this." I creeped up beside the jet jock and shouted "Eject, Eject, Eject !!!" Boy you should have seen him jump. It's a wonder he didn't grab for the ring. He laughed and had a few choice words for me. God, the stories that man could tell. I kept telling him to write a book, but he never did.
Interesting story!! Thanks
Hi, can I get the dimensions or the blueprint somewhere so I can recreate it myself? 😅
Hi. Think so. Try looking for some Hornet manual.
Quest 3 has great pass through for this now :d
Tested it my self it’s pretty rad , have a short on my page
what kind of vr headset do you use
Rift S
When your wearing the VR did it take you awhile to remember where all the switches are located?
Be cool to have Hella screens around you and program it just like how airliner sims training.
Yes, it takes a while for your movements to get used to where thing are. In that sense, it's truly better if you have MFDs and all that stuff fixed in the same spot, so it does never move from its original position
Dude.. that's nice... What's the stick and throttle system you're using?
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, with the F18 grip
How can he use the buttons on the cockpit while using the VR headset?
Muscle memory and silicon tears.. already answered on some comments before yours
What Headset do you use?
Rift S
The dream ;)
last puzzle is a mask 😄🤘
🔥🔥🔥😎
The question is when do you want to? Haha. I’ll take on the simpit. Haha. Probably won’t end very well. Haha
Man I wish I could still get those winwing panels…right as I was about to buy them they discontinued them 😡
Yes... but a pity
Are you able to see your hands through the VR or is it just muscle memory knowing where your switches are?
It's mainly muscle memory... But in some cases I can see what I'm going to touch using the gap just below the nose present on the Rift S headset
@@nathanielcosta81 ahh ok. I have samsung vr and while its immersive as hell its annoying not seeing stuff and constantly looking through gaps. Main reason I switched back to track Ir and a huge TV for a screen
It's all real until mum yells ......"Dinners ready !"
That’s what I call a pastime! I’ll have to make do with my T16000 HOTAS and el cheapo pedals. Which are fine. I weigh up whether my relationship is worth getting a setup more like this and so far, it is. So far. I can’t pretend I’m working if I can’t quickly pop my joystick under the desk when the wifu heads into the ‘office’ (povo simpit). It’s not like she tells me to stop, but I see the side eye and then the shame washes over me - I’m a grown man. Playing video games. For hours and hours. :D
How did you mount your ICP?
It's screewed into a selfmade wooden board
So this is why I always lose on Growling Sidewinder
Super video, thanks for sharing... My rig is much lighter... Still, my wife laughs about it too... I happen to have a question, about your handles, that's a feature I'm very jealous of... What did you use to built those, and how are they fixed on ground so you can lift up ?
Towels rack are attached to the main cockpit frame. They're selfmade, most of the components I found on Amazon
@@nathanielcosta81 Thank you, would you have a link please, I have Amazon, and looks to me the junction between towel racks and the rig's frame are made of screen holders ! Am I right ?
@@lynx3rdwing973 yes, you are right
@@lynx3rdwing973 www.amazon.es/2Piezas-Corredera-Empotrable-Tornillos-Corredizas/dp/B09XTN4NR1/ref=sr_1_18?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=RU3UFW9SQ0YK&keywords=tirador+puerta&qid=1653381821&sprefix=tirador+p%2Caps%2C641&sr=8-18
@@lynx3rdwing973 www.amazon.es/Individual-HUANUO-Ajustable-Pantallas-Dimensiones/dp/B082B6FBYK/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_es_ES=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=3AJ1ASVLGU0W0&keywords=soporte%2Bmonitor&qid=1653400752&sprefix=soporte%2Bmonitor%2Caps%2C281&sr=8-8&th=1
I don't wanna knock your setup, but if u go this far u need a motion chair or platform or something !!
So u can experience the G forces ....
the setup is already 🔥 👌
That would be incredible... But I guess that's pretty difficult to replicate that motion, specially on military jets where you get inverted. G forces I dont thing can be replicated on a sim, even on a professional one without a centrifuge or similar...
Any plans for a setup tour video in the future??
Maybe, that's a good idea
Yes. I’d love to get a breakdown of your setup. Am trying to put one together and yours looks so amazing.
why do you fly hornet with an viper ICP :-)
I fly on many other planes apart from the Hornet. The Viper is one of my favourites, so that's the reason...
Anybody have any idea how big that monitor is?
Not so much, 31.5'' curved
@@nathanielcosta81 Nice, thank you!
respect
Nice pit! What kind of VR?
Thanks!! I use Oculus Rift S
Any tips for running that game smoothly in vr?
Own a powerfull machine (with preferably tons of RAM), set the options accordingly and avoid mission you will always have problems with even it that cases (heavy missions, bugged maps as the SA on populated areas, etc)
Hope one day DCS would be more optimized for VR...
Thanks, im thinking of just getting a head tracker because i cant afford a rtx4090 now hahah
@@7Nickster7 yeah, GPU are too expensive right now...
Español !!!! Oleee F18 o Eurofighter???
Buenos días, de casualidad acabo de ver tu vídeo y me ha encantado tu setup, veo que tienes un mono de piloto del Ala 14, te lo vengo a decir porque esa es la base de mi ciudad 😉
Hola... Sí, yo soy piloto del Ala12rv, pero no podían faltarme los parches del Ala14 ya que me siento súper identificado con ellos. Yo también crecí cerca de Los Llanos (en Ayora concretamente) y no era extraño ver sobrevolar los tejados algún Mirage de vez en cuando
Genial tío pues nada un placer me encanta tu setup, yo estoy en pleno cambio del mío, yo en mis tiempos libres me voy por la zona de la base a ver si pillo algún Eurofighter entre otros, acaba de terminar un curso de las TLP y ha habido bastante movimiento de cazas OTAN. Me he suscrito a tu canal iremos hablando, un saludo.
@@Canalemilituber Gracias por la suscripción. Saludos!!
Decent setup (mainly the raven one series), but it's time to update to winning MIP :D it hurts to see an F16 UFC instead.
I respect that you want immersion, but the gloves, seatbelts, and handles, did you really need that much of immersion? lol
Thanks for your comment.
Talking about the UFC, I fly the Viper so much as the Hornet and many other jets, so that's not a problem. I use WW panels and a warthog throttle that of course are not present on a Hornet cockpit as well, so I don't mind if it's not a replica from the original, I just search a comfortable and useful set up.
Acording to the inmersion: yes, I don't regret having spent some money on that. Gloves extend the HOTAS lifetime, the material from my previous one died from hand sweat. Seatbelt really makes you feel you're attached to the jet seat, specially when spinning to chech your six or whaterver. Handles is just a matter of comfort when doing that, having a hold makes things easier for your neck and back when turning, so it is on a real jet as well.
You're true anyway that WW MIP looks incredible. Maybe I'll change to that when ICP crashes
Por qué lleva la bandera Española en el uniforme?
It's just a patch attached to the flight suit. I have a bunch of Spanish air force patches I like to use... Ala12, Ala14 and so on...
OMG!!
Sorry but what is the point of all those gadgets if you cannot see them through VR
No need to see them in order to use them. It's explained on some other comments on this vid
Ala 14. Mucha honra.
Mein Ziel für die Rente😄
Have no real interest in DCS itself. But I find the levels of enthusiasm some have for the 'system' (it is far beyond a 'game') fascinating.
It's a hobby, some people just want to sit in a pub or others in museum .At this level and beyond the hobby is the construction and integration, the perk being virtual flight. I have interests in electronics, wood and metal working, I also like flight sims. Natural progression is to combine the hobbies and make a 'cockpit'. I made a very generic layout for twin engine but it works well in 2D and is great with VR. I will of course with time improve on it as they are never really finished.
@@cammy9r My interest tends to be in real world naval matters And though the simulations aren't perfect they have given me food for thought. It seems to be a lot of fun.
Bruh, why the seatbelt?
It increases the feeling of being inside the cockpit as it limits your movement capability.
Can you please post your PC Specs please. your videos look so good. Thanks
Sure mate... MSI.Z690 // i9-12900F 5.1GHz // RTX3090 24GB // 32GB 4800Hz // Oculus Rift S
@@nathanielcosta81 Thank you, I’ve waited Patiently for years for a 3080ti and now they are hard to get hold of again. You’re graphics look fantastic
@@T-Cup314 I know... it's a nightmare getting a decent GPU today. Keep in mind that 3090 has 24GB VRAM, that's truly important for using DCS with VR til ED improves its overall performance (if that happens someday...)
@@nathanielcosta81Official word is it's sounding like next year they are going to finally upgrade the engine so that it uses all the GPU threads instead of just one. So us VR users especially should notice a good performance boost. Now I just need a home cockpit haha
@@Raptor2233 Hope that upgrade comes sooner than later. Good luck with your home cockpit too, hope it also comes to you soon
What Vr do u have ?
Oculus Rift S
@@nathanielcosta81 do u have a nice and sharp view?
@@btupalski Not really, Rift S is one of the cheapest VR headsets. But with the 3090 I can set every setting to high, helping to improve the view.
Very important to wear a flight suit in a home sim - you just never know
Cool...but bought a storm rg ...